Will the Rich Give Up Capital Ownership - Molly Cheshire Asks Robert Ashford the Hard Questions...

[GelandnaleG]

8:50pm Tuesday (CST) - Time in MississippiD

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8:50pm Tuesday (CST) - Time in MississippiD

[paulagloria]

@GelandnaleG what does this mean?

[Minimoy]

Not necessarily. People have to realize they're supporting this system every day, all it takes really is a common decision to view things in a different way. It all begins with the ideas of right and wrong and how they change as people get sucked into polarizing views. The real solution in my opinion, is powerfully developing a positive culture of looking at things in non-polarized ways. Polarization is really the sole reason behind all things considered wrong.

[Minimoy]

If you fight it you're contributing to it. You have to provide your own solution.

[Minimoy]

Every rich person I've known enjoys the ability to be seen by others as a philanthropist.

You know, we can sit and deny it all day. But there is a fear of population expansion, which holds back advancements in terms of getting people involved with wealth. Where I live the government gives a little basic help to every new born, and as a result many people have a lot of babies just to get the money.

One way of looking at Binary is offering it as an incentive for planned parenthood or adoption.

[paulagloria]

Ur point is not in harmony with my beliefs and opinions but am delighted you discovered it to be a critical point.

Take a look at Henry George's material...explaining that wealth is produced by people..people do not diminish wealth but produce it IF given access to resources...thus monopoly is the basis of the demise of a civilization Population Makes Land Valuable Henry George's View on Population /watch?v=uQ2Ut3B7XcA

[Minimoy]

OK, my point had less to do with population and more to do with people growing up with a sense of self worth.

[mrcon5]

yes I agree...have you ever been exposed to philosophies that say advanced civilizations throughout the universe have denser populations - greater diversity of people are needed for rich complex cultures.

[Minimoy]

Yes that's true. My father and grandfather were both freemasons, and they used to say that our world is one of balance. We have many species here already, but man is monopolizing the planet. You can't change these beliefs with theories, because they have a whole system of science that we don't know of to back those beliefs. In the mean time, we have real erosions that are causing problems like the family unit. People will not want the best for themselves if they don't love themselves.

[rabbitholecentral]

53:00 "'Printing press money' it doesn't sound like it has anything of intrinsic value" sez Molly and Robert says it does and it doesn't but another topic for another day....I'd like to see that day

-Paula Gloria

[Licmycat]

Woe to American rich men, And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

[billionaireby16]

Obama is no Dennis Kucinich or a Ron Paul... Obama strikes me as a JFK, in that it will be a miracle if he is able to turn and fight the Establishment in midstream of his Presidency. I pray that he doesn't turn his back on the average American. I will hold his feet to the fire. Thankfully, His Website provides such tools that will allow you and I to keep tabs on him and his people. I'll be doing just that.

[paulagloria]

I'm going to hold YOUR feet to the fire. Lets get Larry Sinclair on board with Binary Economics. He is brave and courageous but so far uninformed. Use everything you can that is honest to spread the word.

Have you seen Robert's work

Binary Economics & Christainity PaulaGloria & Robert Ashford

/watch?v=n4Zh1f-pecA

[billionaireby16]

Sweetheart, I'm brave and courageous.... LOL!!!

[paulagloria]

this is not about agreeing with each other but staying connected to learn more than we know now. I was impressed with you when you sat on that blog or site for obama about economic change. I couldn't get registered and kept blowing it off and you stuck with me until I figured it out.....we need that kind of persistent energy. Norman Kurland has it too. Did you see the binary and Christianity

[billionaireby16]

Man, I love this stuff!!!

[paulagloria]

BTW Molly worked hard on the Obama campaign

[paulagloria]

you asked why my vid s are so long...it is because I have a director's account from the old days

[billionaireby16]

Is that supposed to be an insult? LOL!!!! Just kidding... I know I give Molly a hard time... LOL! I worked hard on the Obama Campaign too... I was a Full-time volunteering organizer... Now, I'm using the skills I received on that Campaign to organize on behalf of The Just Third Way and Binary Economics. I have hope for the Obama Administration and Our Country over these next four years. Obama's Presidency, I believe, gives us an opportunity- not certainty, when it comes to REAL CHANGE.

[billionaireby16]

Oh Molly!!! LOL!!! Molly scoffs at ideas she doesn't understand, and if she understood what Robert Ashford was saying, then she'd be just as happy as Paula and she wouldn't be scoffing at the enthusiasm that Paula has on behalf of "The Just Third Way" and "Binary Economics." Next time, tell Molly that there's no need to scoff at someone's emotions- positive or negative, because she doesn't understand... LOL!!! Everything's gonna be alright.... LOL!!!

[paulagloria]

stand by for Molly's next encounter with Robert Ashford now that she does understand the very survival of our corporations DEPENDS on diversifying capital ownership and those who run corporations can't raid them but are accountable to more stockholders with POWER

[blastingcaps]

The answer is No. The rich aint givin up a damn thing. And neither would you. Thats why Binary is taught in the vacuum of Syracuse university. Once i was talking to Mr. Ashford and he defended the federal reserve being privately held. Thats when i was effectively finished with this concept. It was already difficult enough trying to convince myself that people with money will ever give a shit about other people NOT having money.

[bunnyluv41]

If the wealthy give up capital ownership, then there goes the American Free Enterprise system in this country.

[blastingcaps]

Thats not what Ashford is saying though. In his model it would make EVERYBODY an entrepreneur. It would be the American dream in heapin helpin on everybodys plate.

But its not gunna happen because people clutch at the wallet so tight they draw blood from themselves.

[mrcon5]

good point

[paulagloria]

23:00 I wish St Marks would co-operate to clarify this important point - that corporations are NOT the enemy. It distracts people from understanding that we need capital ownership diversified in these tools...they can be used in a positive way if we understood the unused capacity

[paulagloria]

PaulaTsakona, my impostor's comments have been moved to the "Unmet Needs" department of Paulagloria com

[blastingcaps]

thats too bad. Its more funny with them here.

[paulagloria]

my impostors are funny especially to insiders who have been all through the 9/11 and the no planes and so on....but some new people get confused. I never destroy any...you can find them at paulagloria com

[paulagloria]

59:59 is the second part where they go into social justice

[paulagloria]

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[paulagloria]

1:04:18 is funny because Molly thought Robert said "poor and boring people" instead of "poor and working people". Have you ever noticed that the word "poor" is never used when discussing economics?

[smudge6699]

Subliminal frame of a graph at 0:11 - 0:12.

[paulagloria]

ha-ha! you noted how Molly hates charts! IF you listen carefully I think it is because she likes to do housekeeping and cooking while she does shows and doesn't want to look at charts....I never called her on this (yet!) ha-ha

[paulagloria]

1:01:00 is the second part

[paulagloria]

or 59:59 since the "go to" button doesn't seem to take over an hour

[smudge6699]

I love the phrase he uses,

"Stable economic growth"

Surely that's a contradiction in terms.

An economy is either stable and in balance or growing and then usually exponentially!

5% year on year is an upward exponential curve and we are at the stall point of it now!

[paulagloria]

"I love the phrase he uses,

"Stable economic growth"

Surely that's a contradiction in terms."

good point...I wish Robert would get a YouTube account and answer directly but otherwise I will try to remember this for our next interview with Molly which will be about capital distribution for all to SAVE our corporations which are useful tools and not evil per se

[smudge6699]

It really depends on WHAT corporations produce.

Some are there for profit others have a more long view approach.

Usefulness is an interesting concept to delve into with regard the capitalistic machine.

Are banks of any real use?

[paulagloria]

"Are banks of any real use? " you should see how many otherwise retail shop spaces in Manhattan are now banks - boring banks. I heard because it is a better investment to be in real estate than the stock market

[paulagloria]

the first part of this 2 hour interview is the ground work for the more profound implications set out in the second...how once you KNOW how stable economic growth can happen what to do since no business school, not at Yale, Harvard or Stanford will tell you this

[hypnofan35]

The problem with people is that they lack perspective, and will murder or kill one another for what they perceive as relative importance or status. Although status is more or less a personal and collective delusion; it is generally acted upon as if it were real or had substance. The thing that makes status real is the collusion of status as a learned behavior. It is the reason a dominant animal will kill a rival for no other reason than the ability to do so in a face off.

[paulagloria]

"The problem with people is that they lack perspective,"

did you listen to the last hour of this two hour discussion? I felt there were profound shifts in Molly who wants to make the next show "The Importance of Binary Economics to Keep Our Corporations Healthy"

[hypnofan35]

i don't see anyway where you can create a set of rules or laws that will keep greedy, conniving, and conspiratorial types from being that way and doing what they do, outside of the method of putting them to death for winning. You would have to put people to death for lying or acquiring too much money. The legal system does not work on the "smart super greedy". The only thing that would work is to lock the greedy bastards in a room with guns and a pile of cash and give the survivor the key.

[hypnofan35]

What we seem to be talking about is paradise lost, or the state of civilization in the latter days before it self destructs. The reason is people who have collusion and status, feel as if they have ownership of their "inferiors" hence "slavery". This never goes away folks, unless there are rules of death for the "haves" as well as the "have nots" that cannot be reversed by judges or whatever. The choice should be forfeit of all holdings and a job as a worker or death.