@ToemanX Lets back to this issue when it works.If you manage to do so you will get Nobel prize. then you don't need to upload your vid's to youtube anymore.
@RutinaRottis (1) If my device, when fully developed, really works - produces more energy than it consumes, it will be a great day for everyone. (2) I enjoy thinking up inventions and uploading vids about them to Youtube. This enjoyment will never end.
@ToemanX Naturally wheel will rotate longer as you can refine bearing ext. but end of the day it will never work. Magnets are like spring's nothing more.
@RutinaRottis You bring up two issues:(1)Does the overall design work? (I say, "yes".)
(2)How long will the permanent magnets last? Yes, gradually the magnets will lose their magnetism. However, I believe the magnets will last long enough to provide a good return on investment before needing to be replaced.
@ToemanX (2) it is not queston how long magnets had their magnetism. Magnets are like springs. Both had efficiency <100%. Magnets normally works without contact, so their look have 100% efficiency. And even they have that 100% (which they don't), there is still friction of bearing. i.e. wheel is bossible to rotate even weeks with magnetic bearing inside vacuum, but it will in the end stop. Your structure has efficiency less than 100% and it will stop and never create excess energy. Amen
@RutinaRottis Your logic is bad. During operation a magnet can not deliver 100% of its
strength (to coil) but it does not have to. No specific part in my device has to work at 100%
efficiency for the device to succeed.. That is the whole point of my design. The amount of electricity generated in the cans is <100% (than theoritical maximum) but is still more than the energy lost due to hub friction.
@ToemanX You have same dilemma as Da Vinci (500years ago) had with his perpentual machine with ball and wheel. its so called "equilibrium position" it will allways end for that.
It has nothing to with my logic. It is how energy work's. But anyway it's your time waisted, not mine so keep spending it. Ill go shopping heat pump to transform energy to higher temperatures with COP 5.
This wont work. Each time a ball rolls past a set of wires, it encounters resistance. This means the balls will not stay at the bottom of the can, but slightly in the direction contrary their movement.
This means that when the bicycle wheel is rotating clockwise, it creates a condition where the left side of the wheel is consistently heavier than the right side of the wheel.
When i say it may not be a breakthru in free energy eg water powered car, to build a perpetual motion machine is still impressive even if it only powers itself. Dont be put off by people who have been told what science to believe in they do not have the full picture and will put you in the same mental box they live in. Thanx again for your video.
ok maybe i can help, wrap a secondary of iron wire over a primary of iron wire useing a ferrite core and pulse the primary it will give you about 3x the voltage and current of the same copper winding. note the windings must be over each other. this has been tested on a closed loop system. if you can adapt this work with your setup it would give you more output.
Your device is interesting, maybe it is not a breakthru in free energy but remember that tesla had his funding cut by j p morgan for working on free energy. Wilhelm reich was imprisioned and his books burnt by the american goverment for his work with orgone. Stan meyer was poisoned and 1000`s of energy patents held under national security. When people say a perpetual motion machine is impossible what they mean is the science made available to us says it is impossible.
@ToemanX We cannot make a perpetual motion machine in practice or in theory. Contrary to one answer, there is no theory in physics or other sciences that hypothesizes a machine with 100% efficiency. In fact, to the contrary, the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics for closed systems states that all useful energy H will eventually convert into useless energy S. It's the useful energy that systems use to make that motion. Machines cannot use useless energy for motion.
@ToemanX The thing is though, I dont have to analyze your machine part by part. Its never going to work. If the machine isnt 100% efficient then it will become slower and slower with every turn. Your machine causes friction, friction causes your machine to slow down. Until you can completely remove friction from your machine it cannot be a perpetual motion machine.
@ToemanX We specify the system as closed because the common meaning of perpetual motion means the machine runs forever on whatever energy it started with. In other words, energy wise, the system has to be closed to the outside. For example, if we pump additional usable energy H into a machine, that is not a perpetual motion machine is it? This means a perpetual motion machine has to have a fixed total energy TE.
@TheGrassGeniie laws are ment to be broken, just cause some guys decided that "these are the laws of physics" 150 years ago, by no means makes them correct, the only way forward is to look past what we already know and find things we have not seen before. people like you just have your eyes shut, kindly keep your doubt to yourself and let the rest of us get on with our work.
I'm not siding with anyone here as I do not excerpt my energy for "prove-disprove" efforts. ToeManX is unique in that he BUILDS his AE concepts and freely post his findings. His work motivates one to think "outside the box".
I would like to commend the bravery one partakes by making a statement as the one above by TheKultus.
Measurements in physics have a direct relationship to its observation/experimentation container.
replace the spindle with magnetic ball barings that will reduce friction add a series if sails to the wheel an put what electricity you do generate into a small fan and funnel the flow in such a way to rotate the wheel maybe you'll achieve over unity
ok i lost my first comment as i went over the limit and seems not to have posted, anyway the golden mean/section/ratio is a perfect spiral pattern found in the milky way down to the spiral of a whirlpool or snail here one earth. A ratio of a board cut 3 by 5 is a value of 1.6 experiment with finding the moment where when dropped from 12 oclock it returns back to 11 oclock, i know this from my experiments its roughly 2 in and 1.5 up, put that on the wheel for longer spin. IMHO
great idea. with an unbalanced wheel you can spin a long time, perhaps a horizontal version would spin longer, watch?v=xhskB-0SjKI I suggest, have more then two cans, have it spin on a drill motor/generator put energy to a cap, and then pulse the energy back into the drill motor for a second to give it another kick to set it turning. with this invention lenz law happens inside the can so has no affect on the rotation, look into the golden mean of 1.618 for unblanancing theory.
@ToemanX the golden mean aka the golden section aka the golden ratio, look those terms on youtube and google, but basically its the perfect ratio found in nature and math and copied in art and architecture. Its the ratio of a whirlpool spiral, the spiral of the milkyway, the spiral of a snail, all grow outward perfectly. However in the case of an unbalanced wheel to make it spin you could cut a board in the ratio of 1.618 or a 3 to 5 ratio and put that on your wheel, and find
Unfortunately it will never self turn. You would have to produce more energy than what is being generated from the rotating ball generators. Conservation of energy states it can't be done. Remember some of your energy is used to overcome the friction of the hub as well as the force of the air as it rotates.
@ToemanX It does not matter how much air resistance or friction from the hub. What is important is that there is. The energy required to rotate the wheel is a function of how much energy you can produce. Plus, when you draw any current from the ball generators, Lenz's law also comes into affect. Energy from ball generators must at least be equal to energy required to turn the wheel (Friction of hub + Air Friction) + loss due to Lenz's law. Sorry but it can't work. Find out for yourself.
@smackbabie The laws of thermodynamics are my bible. (1)You mean to say - You cannot create energy OUT OF NOTHING. MY device generates electrical energy in a way
acceptable to any physicist. (2) My device does not have to be 100% efficient in order to
work. (3) The third law states absolute zero can never be achieved. What has that got to
I mentioned the third law to circumvent it being used as a future argument to whats going on in the video. You'r absilutly right, it has nothing to do with your device.
The video title claims "free energy". A statement with no proof to back it up. I therefor put it to you that the title is inaccurate.
Next: To make the wheel selfturning, this would violate the 1st and 2nd law. I therefore put it to you that this goal is impossible to achieve.
Because analyzing the specific parts is irrelevant. And here's why:
Regardless of which part of the device it is, or where it's located, it by itself or in conjunction with other parts have to convert more energy than what it takes to spin the wheel to attain the goal of a self running device.
This then violates the 1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics.
The ONLY way this device will work is if somehow your wishful thinking overrides the governing forces of the universe.
@ToemanX That's easy. Time the wheel rotation with the balls in. Next time with the balls out. With the balls out, your wheel will spin longer. Of course given you applied equal rotational force in each test. That is how the balls inhibit rotation.
@ToemanX You are not interested in reason. You so much want this to work that you consider any comment explain why it can't work an attack on your understanding. You should experiment. You will come to the same conclusion eventually.
good shot. but keep thinking. My first thought was a old topic, a bucket of water on a rope.
I did that with my son, the trick is to get up speed fast or you get wet. But after a few try's the water stayed in the bucket. I can see where that ball will do the same thing as the water after it hit's higher rpm.
@quad2004 Centrifugal force cold possibly pin the steel ball in one outward position in a can. However, the wheel would need a much higher rpm than it now has. The wheel's
rpm can always be adjusted downward to prevent the ball from being "pinned".
@ToemanX yes,you would need to tune down rpm, but for even a small pulse motor to have the required input power to over come the shear weight to the balls would be more then 1.5 - 2v I would think. If you have not built flux generators before, take a look. it take's more then most think to have a usable output.
Out of everything I have built over the years, I had the most fun building a Wimshurst influence machine . There is ALOT to be learned from that and the energy around us.
@quad2004 You raise some interesting technical questions. These may be valid concerns. My device is at the very beginning stage. There is a lot to be learned before it
@ToemanX Oh yes, Lots for ya to learn, "practical device, well" Start out with way back when the telegraph machine was made, on up to tesla coils, pulse motors, brown gas, magnet bearings, law of physics etc. and don't stop learning until you master quantum mechanics. ;) And remember to have fun while doing it, that is the main thing.
How can anyone say that it's impossible to create free energy when we know so much but so LITTLE about how the universe works . Even quantum physicists are having difficulty making the maths fit ..We just don't know how it all works and to say that this or that is impossible is being very , very closed minded . Open your mind to the endless possibilities of life , it just HAS to be limitless by it's very nature..
My question is, why are people still making videos on this topic? Honestly, its not possible in any way to create true free electricity. Its physicis and everyone knows that it is impossible so whats the point. If ANY of thsese videos were real then the inventor would be the ruler of the world within hours. Then of course you have the govt conspiracies stopping people from mfg which is amazing because somehow they can stop inventors but not youtube videos.
@ToemanX Lol very good point...probably even more logic in yours than in mine (not being sarcastic though I know it sounds like it). At least your being honest in the video and dont claim to have already built one so I am sorry if I came off rude to you. Even though physics has already concluded that its not possible I think there are some very good applications yet to be discovered so I aplaude you all the same. Do you know much about gassifiers?
This is an entirely different thing from electrical/thermodynamic efficiency. Even hydroelectric power plants, the most efficient in the world, lose a significant amount of power while converting the mechanical rotation of the turbines into electricity. It is an inescapable fact that generators do not have that kind of efficiency. And I am no generator expert(no such position of profession exists), but I made an estimate. I stick to that estimate. Perform the efficiency test, then you can gloat
@ToemanX Your site is not a reliable source. After I researched the topic, and seemingly far more than you did, I found that not only is that figure inflated, but it describes mechanical efficiency, not electrical efficiency. The Most modern and efficient hydro-electric power plants do get into the low 90s for MECHANICAL efficiency. That is input mechanical force to output mechanical force. In hydroelectric generators, there are almost no limiting factors to mechanical efficiency.
@ToemanX Again, there are NO generators that have 97% efficiency. I estimate your generator has under 5% mechanical input to electrical output. You could test this by delivering an exact and known amount of force with an electric device to the wheel. You will then let the wheel sping down, measuring the electrical output of the system. I guarentee you will lose the vast majority of the input power in the process.
@ToemanX if you believe this is 97% efficient at generating electricity from mechanical force, you are an idiot. There is no generator in the world that can do that, even if they use frictionless bearings, the world's strongest magnets, and is placed in a vaccum. Wherever you get your information from is a very unreliable source. By contrast, your device has vast amounts of friction inside the cardboard cans, as well as additional friction on the axle connecting the wheel to the frame.
@ ToemanX this does not create free energy. You are moving the wheel, and generating power at the cost of what is likely thousands of times more chemical energy than the electrical energy output of the system. By comparison, modern internal combustion engines get 20-30% of input energy transferred into usable mechanical force. This thing is worthless in every aspect.
@exelsisxax Your vision is clouded by the low efficiency of the internal combustion engine. By contrast some
conventional electrical generators are 97% efficient. You do not understand Lenz's law and how hard it makes generating electricity. My device confines Lenz's law effect to the cans and does not retard the turning of the
the biggest problem I see with these perpetual motion or perpetual energy machines is that you guys are always adding some insane amount of mass to the outside of the wheel that is unlikely to ever be equally balanced even by the most skilled craftsman, or some level of friction to the wheel as you try to shift weight off the rising side, or too much centrifugal drag.. My Q about your design, wouldn't the Ball spin a higher RPM (generate more electricity) at the center of the wheel?
Dude if you want to be crazy and keep making attempts at the impossible, go for it, but don't try to mislead people by copy/pasting the same clip repeatedly to make it look like your little device is running longer than it is.
unfortunately physics is not on your side with this one. without a frictionless vacum, superconducting materials, and a new understanding of magnetism and gravity, a design like this will never produce free energy.
@ToemanX The real question is: Can you provide a specific reason why your device WILL work? It defies all the laws of thermodynamics, physics, and common logic.
For example: You claim free energy from the turning bicycle wheel. But the current flowing in the wires (that lights the bulb) produces a counter EMF, which produces torque that opposes the rotating wheel, thus slowing it.
What force exists to overcome the opposing torque in order to keep the wheel spinning?
@ToemanX : What does have serious detrimental effect is the haphazazrd reaction forces from having your balls bumping around in a tin can at 60 rpm. Maybe this is where the room for improvement is. Regarding PM, who knows, unlikely as it seems. What counts in the meantime is how much juice you can get from a hand launched low-tech device.
@ToemanX@ToemanX Part 1: I am not suggesting that the system you set up will not act as a generator. The problem is with the self turning "free energy" aspect of the design. With mechanical friction, air friction, the forces one up again describes, and lost output due to resistance in the copper wires, your wheel will require more input energy than it can every produce.
@ToemanX@ToemanX Part 2: The concept of free energy is that you have a system that produces more energy than it requires to run utilizing (as in your video) a perpetual motion mentality; a fallacy. Scientists have been trying to do this for many years, and time and time again, they are thwarted by the laws of thermodynamics.
@ToemanX Look I didn't mean to offend you. I have always been interested in the idea, and I appreciate what you did accomplish. I think its cool. The only reason I said anything was just because your title is misleading and inaccurate. I wish i had the time to spend exploring my every curiosity but I have a car that needs maintaining, jobs to do, and people to see... that in mind I do a little research before I experimentally build and test something that has failed on numerous occasions.
@MrThisIsCritical Currently the wheel is hand spun and stays in motion only for about one minute. The idea is to cover the rim with cans and once the wheel is spinning the cans will generate enough electricity to power a
small motor to keep the wheel turning continously. Hopefully there would also be a net energy gain, meaning
some electricity could be used outside the wheel for other purposes.
How much trouble would it take to add 4 more electro mags? 6 may be the recipe......seems using two creates synchronization complications.....hexagon outer frame using 6 electromagnets (electro-sync'd) with free turing circle on the inside loaded with tiny cicular rare earth magnets.....what do you think?
@astrosynergy ..........outer hexagon with electro-mags = stationary........inner circle lined with 100's of small rare-earth mags is spinning.......center would be core-(generator)
what do you think?
I would use cell batteries >> voltage reg >> capactors >> in series for power supply to electro-mags (sync'd)
Novell idea! Now all you need is reaching 101% efficiency and it will spin like mad, while offering huge lighting.
Of course, the first loos is the ball rolling more slowly due to the wire it is energizing. It keeps the wheel underbalanced. I wish to be wrong at that. Good luck with the rest of the build!
Why i never saw any of these (free energy/ perpetual macine) really working? maybe because making such machine is IMPOSSIBLE
RutinaRottis 2 weeks ago
@RutinaRottis You are correct about past machines not working. However, my device
is a new design, a new approach that might work. It is worth investigating further.
Be positive and give it a try.
ToemanX 1 week ago
@ToemanX Lets back to this issue when it works.If you manage to do so you will get Nobel prize. then you don't need to upload your vid's to youtube anymore.
RutinaRottis 1 week ago
@RutinaRottis (1) If my device, when fully developed, really works - produces more energy than it consumes, it will be a great day for everyone. (2) I enjoy thinking up inventions and uploading vids about them to Youtube. This enjoyment will never end.
ToemanX 1 week ago
@ToemanX Naturally wheel will rotate longer as you can refine bearing ext. but end of the day it will never work. Magnets are like spring's nothing more.
RutinaRottis 1 week ago
@RutinaRottis You bring up two issues:(1)Does the overall design work? (I say, "yes".)
(2)How long will the permanent magnets last? Yes, gradually the magnets will lose their magnetism. However, I believe the magnets will last long enough to provide a good return on investment before needing to be replaced.
ToemanX 1 week ago
@ToemanX (2) it is not queston how long magnets had their magnetism. Magnets are like springs. Both had efficiency <100%. Magnets normally works without contact, so their look have 100% efficiency. And even they have that 100% (which they don't), there is still friction of bearing. i.e. wheel is bossible to rotate even weeks with magnetic bearing inside vacuum, but it will in the end stop. Your structure has efficiency less than 100% and it will stop and never create excess energy. Amen
RutinaRottis 1 week ago
@RutinaRottis Your logic is bad. During operation a magnet can not deliver 100% of its
strength (to coil) but it does not have to. No specific part in my device has to work at 100%
efficiency for the device to succeed.. That is the whole point of my design. The amount of electricity generated in the cans is <100% (than theoritical maximum) but is still more than the energy lost due to hub friction.
ToemanX 1 week ago
@ToemanX You have same dilemma as Da Vinci (500years ago) had with his perpentual machine with ball and wheel. its so called "equilibrium position" it will allways end for that.
It has nothing to with my logic. It is how energy work's. But anyway it's your time waisted, not mine so keep spending it. Ill go shopping heat pump to transform energy to higher temperatures with COP 5.
RutinaRottis 1 week ago
@RutinaRottis Your comparing my device to Da Vinci's gravity powered over-balance
wheels (which I am familiar with) to my device shows you do not clearly understand how
my device works. My device is not an over-balanced wheel. In my device the magnets
remain in basically the same position as the wheel turns. That is one reason my device
will be a success. Nothing is wasted. I am doing and learning always.
ToemanX 1 week ago
Great job.....Thanks for uploading this video.....
If you want to Get the Plans for the Free energy generator
Go To Google and Search for "Top Magnetic Generator"
Choose the First Result (Skip The Advertisements)
subhankarkudghat 2 weeks ago 4
Ok let me know what you figure out how to make it self turn?
Begbucks 2 weeks ago
why don't you just buy a bike dynamo? It will have more efficiency than you can ever achieve with this setup :}
RattleheadGR 1 month ago
If you add hot air, you just might save the world...
CaveManLabs 1 month ago
This wont work. Each time a ball rolls past a set of wires, it encounters resistance. This means the balls will not stay at the bottom of the can, but slightly in the direction contrary their movement.
This means that when the bicycle wheel is rotating clockwise, it creates a condition where the left side of the wheel is consistently heavier than the right side of the wheel.
zach118 1 month ago
@zach118 What you say for the most part is true.The balls will be effected by Lenz's
Law resistance. However, I have already taken that into account in my calculations.
Where we disagree is the impact of the resistance. I believe the device can overcome it
and still work.
ToemanX 1 month ago
When i say it may not be a breakthru in free energy eg water powered car, to build a perpetual motion machine is still impressive even if it only powers itself. Dont be put off by people who have been told what science to believe in they do not have the full picture and will put you in the same mental box they live in. Thanx again for your video.
16f8771 1 month ago
ok maybe i can help, wrap a secondary of iron wire over a primary of iron wire useing a ferrite core and pulse the primary it will give you about 3x the voltage and current of the same copper winding. note the windings must be over each other. this has been tested on a closed loop system. if you can adapt this work with your setup it would give you more output.
16f8771 1 month ago
Thanks for the video.
Your device is interesting, maybe it is not a breakthru in free energy but remember that tesla had his funding cut by j p morgan for working on free energy. Wilhelm reich was imprisioned and his books burnt by the american goverment for his work with orgone. Stan meyer was poisoned and 1000`s of energy patents held under national security. When people say a perpetual motion machine is impossible what they mean is the science made available to us says it is impossible.
16f8771 1 month ago
@16f8771 You seem to know a lot about the story of free energy. Thanks for the insight.
ToemanX 1 month ago
youtube.com/watch?v=287qd4uI7-E
It video can explain more about the effect. thanks and go ahead!
alburquerque107 1 month ago
Perpetual motion machines, like the one you're suggesting, cannot exist as it defies the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics.
TheGrassGeniie 1 month ago
@TheGrassGeniie People who speak in generalities are boring. Give me specific reasons
my device will not work.
ToemanX 1 month ago
@ToemanX We cannot make a perpetual motion machine in practice or in theory. Contrary to one answer, there is no theory in physics or other sciences that hypothesizes a machine with 100% efficiency. In fact, to the contrary, the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics for closed systems states that all useful energy H will eventually convert into useless energy S. It's the useful energy that systems use to make that motion. Machines cannot use useless energy for motion.
TheGrassGeniie 1 month ago
@TheGrassGeniie My device does not attempt to be 100% efficient nor does it have to
be in order to work. The energy produced in the cans is not 100& efficient but it can still
produce more energy than is lost at the hub do to friction.
ToemanX 1 month ago
@ToemanX The thing is though, I dont have to analyze your machine part by part. Its never going to work. If the machine isnt 100% efficient then it will become slower and slower with every turn. Your machine causes friction, friction causes your machine to slow down. Until you can completely remove friction from your machine it cannot be a perpetual motion machine.
TheGrassGeniie 1 month ago
@ToemanX We specify the system as closed because the common meaning of perpetual motion means the machine runs forever on whatever energy it started with. In other words, energy wise, the system has to be closed to the outside. For example, if we pump additional usable energy H into a machine, that is not a perpetual motion machine is it? This means a perpetual motion machine has to have a fixed total energy TE.
TheGrassGeniie 1 month ago
@TheGrassGeniie My device does not have a fixed amount of energy. The amount of
energy produced in the cans is dynamic, forever changing. That is why my device
succeeds. Stop speaking in long winded generalities and take the time to analyze my
device part for part. That is if you are capable of analyzing mechanical and electrical
systems.
ToemanX 1 month ago
@ToemanX Aaaaand it wont let me post the rest, youtube fails. Ill message it to you.
TheGrassGeniie 1 month ago
@TheGrassGeniie laws are ment to be broken, just cause some guys decided that "these are the laws of physics" 150 years ago, by no means makes them correct, the only way forward is to look past what we already know and find things we have not seen before. people like you just have your eyes shut, kindly keep your doubt to yourself and let the rest of us get on with our work.
TheKultus 1 month ago
@TheKultus
I'm not siding with anyone here as I do not excerpt my energy for "prove-disprove" efforts. ToeManX is unique in that he BUILDS his AE concepts and freely post his findings. His work motivates one to think "outside the box".
I would like to commend the bravery one partakes by making a statement as the one above by TheKultus.
Measurements in physics have a direct relationship to its observation/experimentation container.
- AstroSynergy
astrosynergy 1 month ago
replace the spindle with a string of neo magnets if its light enough
alexofgummie 2 months ago
@alexofgummie You have a good suggestion. I will try making my own magnetic
bearings.
ToemanX 1 month ago
Not Work! ne fonctionne pas. Avec la force centrifuge, la boule ne se meut pas !
ibercaracole 2 months ago
@ibercaracole Yes Work! "La force centrifuge en la boule es pequeno, mismo su cerebro
pequeno.
ToemanX 2 months ago
replace the spindle with magnetic ball barings that will reduce friction add a series if sails to the wheel an put what electricity you do generate into a small fan and funnel the flow in such a way to rotate the wheel maybe you'll achieve over unity
alexofgummie 2 months ago
@alexofgummie You have two good ideas. By adding sails I assume you mean use
wind power. Combining magnetic power with wind power is an excellent approach.
Using magnetic bearings is a good idea in theory but hard to achieve in reality. They are
not commonly sold anywhere. They are hard to make but worth the effort.
ToemanX 2 months ago
Lock balls, rotate the wheel. Unlock the balls rotate the wheel of the same strength. Compare the effect.
Lechoslowianin 2 months ago
@Lechoslowianin I will conduct this test.
ToemanX 2 months ago
explain more thanks
inventormorocco 2 months ago
@inventormorocco The wheel is hand spun, a magnetic ball rolls around in each can which
are covered with wires. This generates electricity in the wires. What happens in the cans
does not effect overall wheel rotation. The goal is to generate enough electricity in the
cans to replace energy lost to friction at hub, this allows the wheel to continue spinning
on its own.
ToemanX 2 months ago
ok i lost my first comment as i went over the limit and seems not to have posted, anyway the golden mean/section/ratio is a perfect spiral pattern found in the milky way down to the spiral of a whirlpool or snail here one earth. A ratio of a board cut 3 by 5 is a value of 1.6 experiment with finding the moment where when dropped from 12 oclock it returns back to 11 oclock, i know this from my experiments its roughly 2 in and 1.5 up, put that on the wheel for longer spin. IMHO
cityvillian 2 months ago
watch?v=3PUqEghYigw
min2oly 2 months ago
great idea. with an unbalanced wheel you can spin a long time, perhaps a horizontal version would spin longer, watch?v=xhskB-0SjKI I suggest, have more then two cans, have it spin on a drill motor/generator put energy to a cap, and then pulse the energy back into the drill motor for a second to give it another kick to set it turning. with this invention lenz law happens inside the can so has no affect on the rotation, look into the golden mean of 1.618 for unblanancing theory.
cityvillian 2 months ago
@cityvillian Please explain the golden mean.
ToemanX 2 months ago
@ToemanX the golden mean aka the golden section aka the golden ratio, look those terms on youtube and google, but basically its the perfect ratio found in nature and math and copied in art and architecture. Its the ratio of a whirlpool spiral, the spiral of the milkyway, the spiral of a snail, all grow outward perfectly. However in the case of an unbalanced wheel to make it spin you could cut a board in the ratio of 1.618 or a 3 to 5 ratio and put that on your wheel, and find
cityvillian 2 months ago
Unfortunately it will never self turn. You would have to produce more energy than what is being generated from the rotating ball generators. Conservation of energy states it can't be done. Remember some of your energy is used to overcome the friction of the hub as well as the force of the air as it rotates.
valveman12 2 months ago
@valveman12 There are 3 problems with your analysis. How do you know: (1) How much
energy is being produced by the ball generators ? (2) How much friction is at the hub?
(3) How much energy is lost to air resitence?
ToemanX 2 months ago
@ToemanX It does not matter how much air resistance or friction from the hub. What is important is that there is. The energy required to rotate the wheel is a function of how much energy you can produce. Plus, when you draw any current from the ball generators, Lenz's law also comes into affect. Energy from ball generators must at least be equal to energy required to turn the wheel (Friction of hub + Air Friction) + loss due to Lenz's law. Sorry but it can't work. Find out for yourself.
valveman12 2 months ago
All our goals are the same...yo
gazzaka 2 months ago
Out of morbid curiosity;
How do you plan on building a device that needs to violate the laws of physics in order to work as intended.
Remembering the existence of said device is very much dependant on the very same laws being unchanged from their current state.
smackbabie 2 months ago
@smackbabie I embrace the laws of physics with much love. The laws of physics dictated to me how I built this device each step of the way.
ToemanX 2 months ago
@ToemanX
Ok, lets focus on the claims in the title and your set goal for the device - "to make it self turning"
And you claim the laws of physics dictated to you how to build the device.
This violates 3 laws of thermodynamics.
1st Conservation of energy. You cannot create energy.
2nd Entropy. 100% energy conversion efficiency is unobtainable.
3rd Entropy of crystal or 0 deg. It's impossible to avoid the 2nd law.
Yet again, unsubstantiated nonsense meats reality.
Reality wins.
smackbabie 2 months ago
@smackbabie The laws of thermodynamics are my bible. (1)You mean to say - You cannot create energy OUT OF NOTHING. MY device generates electrical energy in a way
acceptable to any physicist. (2) My device does not have to be 100% efficient in order to
work. (3) The third law states absolute zero can never be achieved. What has that got to
do with my device?
ToemanX 2 months ago
@ToemanX
I mentioned the third law to circumvent it being used as a future argument to whats going on in the video. You'r absilutly right, it has nothing to do with your device.
The video title claims "free energy". A statement with no proof to back it up. I therefor put it to you that the title is inaccurate.
Next: To make the wheel selfturning, this would violate the 1st and 2nd law. I therefore put it to you that this goal is impossible to achieve.
smackbabie 2 months ago
@smackbabie Let me explain how my device works. I spin the wheel by hand. The
wheel will gradually come to a stop because of friction at the hub. In the cans electricity
is being generated. What happens in the cans has nothing directly to do with the overall
turning of the wheel. Now can the cans generate more energy than is lost at the hub? I
say "yes". As I develop my device I will get the proof of this. Free energy is the goal.
ToemanX 2 months ago
@ToemanX
Aah, now it all becomes clear, you'r a bit of a loon.
You believe in the laws of physics, acknowledge that they apply to the device.
Yet you claim the goal is one that clearly violates these laws.
So, linear logic no longer applies.
If this is true, every single physics book will have to be re-written. And you would be rewarded the Nobel price in physics.
Which is more likely, that you'r full of nonsense, or the things above will happen.
Ask yourself, which is more likely.
smackbabie 2 months ago
@smackbabie You continuosly speak in generalities about the "laws of physics".
You never analysis specific parts of my device as to why or why not they will work.
ToemanX 2 months ago
@ToemanX
Because analyzing the specific parts is irrelevant. And here's why:
Regardless of which part of the device it is, or where it's located, it by itself or in conjunction with other parts have to convert more energy than what it takes to spin the wheel to attain the goal of a self running device.
This then violates the 1st and 2nd law of thermodynamics.
The ONLY way this device will work is if somehow your wishful thinking overrides the governing forces of the universe.
smackbabie 2 months ago
@smackbabie I do not believe you know how to analyze my device part by part.
You are a mindless parrot who keeps repeating "violates the 1st and 2nd laws of
thermodynamics".
ToemanX 2 months ago
n a closed system the sum of all forces is 0 Moving balls inhibit wheel rotation.
Lechoslowianin 2 months ago
@Lechoslowianin Please explain how the moving balls inhibit wheel rotation?
The whole idea of my device is that what happens inside the cans does not affect
the overall rotation of the wheel.
ToemanX 2 months ago
@ToemanX That's easy. Time the wheel rotation with the balls in. Next time with the balls out. With the balls out, your wheel will spin longer. Of course given you applied equal rotational force in each test. That is how the balls inhibit rotation.
valveman12 2 months ago
@valveman12 The balls move very little in regards to moving in or away from the hub.
I can make it so the balls spin in place. Again the whole point of my device is that what the
balls do inside the cans does not affect the overall rotation of the wheel.
ToemanX 2 months ago
@ToemanX You are not interested in reason. You so much want this to work that you consider any comment explain why it can't work an attack on your understanding. You should experiment. You will come to the same conclusion eventually.
valveman12 2 months ago
good shot. but keep thinking. My first thought was a old topic, a bucket of water on a rope.
I did that with my son, the trick is to get up speed fast or you get wet. But after a few try's the water stayed in the bucket. I can see where that ball will do the same thing as the water after it hit's higher rpm.
quad2004 2 months ago
@quad2004 Centrifugal force cold possibly pin the steel ball in one outward position in a can. However, the wheel would need a much higher rpm than it now has. The wheel's
rpm can always be adjusted downward to prevent the ball from being "pinned".
ToemanX 2 months ago
@ToemanX yes,you would need to tune down rpm, but for even a small pulse motor to have the required input power to over come the shear weight to the balls would be more then 1.5 - 2v I would think. If you have not built flux generators before, take a look. it take's more then most think to have a usable output.
Out of everything I have built over the years, I had the most fun building a Wimshurst influence machine . There is ALOT to be learned from that and the energy around us.
quad2004 2 months ago
@quad2004 You raise some interesting technical questions. These may be valid concerns. My device is at the very beginning stage. There is a lot to be learned before it
becomes a practical device.
ToemanX 2 months ago
@ToemanX Oh yes, Lots for ya to learn, "practical device, well" Start out with way back when the telegraph machine was made, on up to tesla coils, pulse motors, brown gas, magnet bearings, law of physics etc. and don't stop learning until you master quantum mechanics. ;) And remember to have fun while doing it, that is the main thing.
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subhankarwork 3 months ago
How can anyone say that it's impossible to create free energy when we know so much but so LITTLE about how the universe works . Even quantum physicists are having difficulty making the maths fit ..We just don't know how it all works and to say that this or that is impossible is being very , very closed minded . Open your mind to the endless possibilities of life , it just HAS to be limitless by it's very nature..
macyam80 3 months ago
@macyam80 - energy is limitless but getting unlimited output from a "free energy" device is impossible. The two issues are quite separate.
LiamXaoh 3 months ago
Question: have you tried mounting this device horizontally rather than vertically?
Archline2 3 months ago
@Archline2 The device would never work horizonally because in that configuration the ball in the can would
always maintain the same position. When the wheel rotates vertically the cans stay in the same positions but
the balls inside rotate about. It is this magnetic ball rotation that generates electricity in the wires surrounding
the cans.
ToemanX 3 months ago
My question is, why are people still making videos on this topic? Honestly, its not possible in any way to create true free electricity. Its physicis and everyone knows that it is impossible so whats the point. If ANY of thsese videos were real then the inventor would be the ruler of the world within hours. Then of course you have the govt conspiracies stopping people from mfg which is amazing because somehow they can stop inventors but not youtube videos.
KesslersCross 3 months ago
@KesslersCross What is fascinating to me about your long comment is: (1) Why would you waste your time
searching for, then watching a video about something you know is impossible. (2) Then you waste more time
typing out your long comment about something that is impossible. (3) Obviously obtaining free energy is very
difficult but I am not convinced it is completely impossible. I will keep experimenting.
ToemanX 3 months ago
@ToemanX Lol very good point...probably even more logic in yours than in mine (not being sarcastic though I know it sounds like it). At least your being honest in the video and dont claim to have already built one so I am sorry if I came off rude to you. Even though physics has already concluded that its not possible I think there are some very good applications yet to be discovered so I aplaude you all the same. Do you know much about gassifiers?
KesslersCross 3 months ago
@ToemanX Yes sir. That what great inventors are known for. To overcome impossible.
kessass83 2 months ago
Yet more confusion over what could otherwise be a very simple topic!
AClarke2007 3 months ago
This is an entirely different thing from electrical/thermodynamic efficiency. Even hydroelectric power plants, the most efficient in the world, lose a significant amount of power while converting the mechanical rotation of the turbines into electricity. It is an inescapable fact that generators do not have that kind of efficiency. And I am no generator expert(no such position of profession exists), but I made an estimate. I stick to that estimate. Perform the efficiency test, then you can gloat
exelsisxax 3 months ago
@ToemanX Your site is not a reliable source. After I researched the topic, and seemingly far more than you did, I found that not only is that figure inflated, but it describes mechanical efficiency, not electrical efficiency. The Most modern and efficient hydro-electric power plants do get into the low 90s for MECHANICAL efficiency. That is input mechanical force to output mechanical force. In hydroelectric generators, there are almost no limiting factors to mechanical efficiency.
exelsisxax 3 months ago
@exelsisxax (1) I stated some generators are 97%. (2) I gave you a referece source, one among many available.
(3) Your counter arguement is nonesense. The rating of a generator's efficiency is all about the amount of
electricity it produces in ratio to the mechanical energy it recieves.
ToemanX 3 months ago
@ToemanX Again, there are NO generators that have 97% efficiency. I estimate your generator has under 5% mechanical input to electrical output. You could test this by delivering an exact and known amount of force with an electric device to the wheel. You will then let the wheel sping down, measuring the electrical output of the system. I guarentee you will lose the vast majority of the input power in the process.
exelsisxax 3 months ago
@exelsisxax There are many sources that prove generators can be as high as 97% efficient. One example, see
website, "jcmiras.net/jcm/item/93" under the article,"Typical Electrical Generator Efficiency" it states,"...small
hydro project generator efficiencies can range from 93% to 97%." (2) How did you come up with your 5% figure?
I think you just made it up. Stop wasting everyone's time by pretending to be some kind of generator expert,
when clearly you are not.
ToemanX 3 months ago
@ToemanX if you believe this is 97% efficient at generating electricity from mechanical force, you are an idiot. There is no generator in the world that can do that, even if they use frictionless bearings, the world's strongest magnets, and is placed in a vaccum. Wherever you get your information from is a very unreliable source. By contrast, your device has vast amounts of friction inside the cardboard cans, as well as additional friction on the axle connecting the wheel to the frame.
exelsisxax 3 months ago
@exelsisxax I stated some electrical generators are 97% efficient. This is a fact that can be checked using
reference sources. You still do not understand the significance of confining the Lenz's law effect to the cans.
The turning of the wheel as a whole does not have to fight against Lenz's law. Yes, there is friction losses at the
hub of the wheel but this is offset by the electrical energy generated in the cans.
ToemanX 3 months ago
@ ToemanX this does not create free energy. You are moving the wheel, and generating power at the cost of what is likely thousands of times more chemical energy than the electrical energy output of the system. By comparison, modern internal combustion engines get 20-30% of input energy transferred into usable mechanical force. This thing is worthless in every aspect.
exelsisxax 3 months ago
@exelsisxax Your vision is clouded by the low efficiency of the internal combustion engine. By contrast some
conventional electrical generators are 97% efficient. You do not understand Lenz's law and how hard it makes generating electricity. My device confines Lenz's law effect to the cans and does not retard the turning of the
wheel as a whole and this allows for free energy.
ToemanX 3 months ago
You invented the world's most inefficient generator design. Congradulations.
exelsisxax 3 months ago
@exelsisxax You do not explain why you feel this way. How can my design be inefficient if it is a free energy device?
ToemanX 3 months ago
LOL
You didn't invent jack.
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discoide1451 4 months ago
the biggest problem I see with these perpetual motion or perpetual energy machines is that you guys are always adding some insane amount of mass to the outside of the wheel that is unlikely to ever be equally balanced even by the most skilled craftsman, or some level of friction to the wheel as you try to shift weight off the rising side, or too much centrifugal drag.. My Q about your design, wouldn't the Ball spin a higher RPM (generate more electricity) at the center of the wheel?
waterkeeper03 4 months ago
@waterkeeper03 Yes, you are correct. The ball would be better placed at the center of the wheel - at least in
theory. The realistic problem with this is one central ball (as opposed to, say, a dozen small diameter balls)is it
would have to be a dozen times bigger. Where am I gonna get a bowling ball sized magnetic ball? This is
the problem I would have if I wanted to make a larger sized version of this current device. Think of the future.
ToemanX 4 months ago
Dude if you want to be crazy and keep making attempts at the impossible, go for it, but don't try to mislead people by copy/pasting the same clip repeatedly to make it look like your little device is running longer than it is.
googlesucks987 5 months ago
@googlesucks987 I show my hand spinning the wheel. How am I misleading people? How long is a hand
spun wheel suppose to turn?
ToemanX 5 months ago
unfortunately physics is not on your side with this one. without a frictionless vacum, superconducting materials, and a new understanding of magnetism and gravity, a design like this will never produce free energy.
lostinthewoods1026 5 months ago
@lostinthewoods1026 You speak in generalities. Could you provide a specific reason my device will not work.
ToemanX 5 months ago
@ToemanX The real question is: Can you provide a specific reason why your device WILL work? It defies all the laws of thermodynamics, physics, and common logic.
For example: You claim free energy from the turning bicycle wheel. But the current flowing in the wires (that lights the bulb) produces a counter EMF, which produces torque that opposes the rotating wheel, thus slowing it.
What force exists to overcome the opposing torque in order to keep the wheel spinning?
oneupagain 5 months ago
@oneupagain (1)The purpose of my video is to provide a degree of proof my design will work. (2) You completely
miss the point of my design. In my device the counter EMF action is confined to inside the cans. This action
has no effect on the turning wheel as a whole.
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lostinthewoods1026 5 months ago
@ToemanX : What does have serious detrimental effect is the haphazazrd reaction forces from having your balls bumping around in a tin can at 60 rpm. Maybe this is where the room for improvement is. Regarding PM, who knows, unlikely as it seems. What counts in the meantime is how much juice you can get from a hand launched low-tech device.
nicbordeaux 4 months ago
@ToemanX @ToemanX Part 1: I am not suggesting that the system you set up will not act as a generator. The problem is with the self turning "free energy" aspect of the design. With mechanical friction, air friction, the forces one up again describes, and lost output due to resistance in the copper wires, your wheel will require more input energy than it can every produce.
lostinthewoods1026 5 months ago
@ToemanX @ToemanX Part 2: The concept of free energy is that you have a system that produces more energy than it requires to run utilizing (as in your video) a perpetual motion mentality; a fallacy. Scientists have been trying to do this for many years, and time and time again, they are thwarted by the laws of thermodynamics.
lostinthewoods1026 5 months ago
@lostinthewoods1026 I understand the following:(1)definition of free energy (2)laws of thermodynamics (3) the
history of perpetual motion. My question to you is, why did you bother to look at my free energy video? Were
you not a little curious about the possibility it might work? I am curious about the possibility also, and I act on
that curiousity.
ToemanX 5 months ago
@ToemanX Look I didn't mean to offend you. I have always been interested in the idea, and I appreciate what you did accomplish. I think its cool. The only reason I said anything was just because your title is misleading and inaccurate. I wish i had the time to spend exploring my every curiosity but I have a car that needs maintaining, jobs to do, and people to see... that in mind I do a little research before I experimentally build and test something that has failed on numerous occasions.
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FlowersAll 5 months ago 7
How Long will the Wheel stay in motion?
MrThisIsCritical 6 months ago
@MrThisIsCritical Currently the wheel is hand spun and stays in motion only for about one minute. The idea is to cover the rim with cans and once the wheel is spinning the cans will generate enough electricity to power a
small motor to keep the wheel turning continously. Hopefully there would also be a net energy gain, meaning
some electricity could be used outside the wheel for other purposes.
ToemanX 6 months ago
Hi, you need to wire more copper wire around the can,
then you will ge much more output.
Many more turns will raise the voltage.
Does your star wiring configuration with the copper wire
have any better effect, than just only wiring in one axis ?
Many thanks.
Regards. Stefan.
P.S: it is the same concept as:
freelights.co.uk
so it was already invented...
overunitydotcom 7 months ago
@overunitydotcom (1)The magnetic ball rolls completely around inside of the can. So I felt a wire star pattern
would better capture the ball's magnetic field in all directions. (2) This version of my device was just a simple
proof-of-concept device. I was not trying to generate large voltages with it. So I limited the number of wires used.
ToemanX 7 months ago
ToemanX....very nice my friend.
How much trouble would it take to add 4 more electro mags? 6 may be the recipe......seems using two creates synchronization complications.....hexagon outer frame using 6 electromagnets (electro-sync'd) with free turing circle on the inside loaded with tiny cicular rare earth magnets.....what do you think?
astrosynergy 10 months ago
@astrosynergy ..........outer hexagon with electro-mags = stationary........inner circle lined with 100's of small rare-earth mags is spinning.......center would be core-(generator)
what do you think?
I would use cell batteries >> voltage reg >> capactors >> in series for power supply to electro-mags (sync'd)
NiCads (cheaper) for batteries (in series)
Use capacitors from old CRT's
Build it TOEMAN....it will WORK!
astrosynergy 10 months ago
@astrosynergy You suggest - the electro-mags = stationary and inner circle with 100's of mags is spinning.
Does your suggestion really apply to my device? I am afraid I do not completely follow your suggestion.
I wish I could see a drawing of you suggestion.
ToemanX 10 months ago
@ToemanX
I'll email a rough draft
astrosynergy 10 months ago
Novell idea! Now all you need is reaching 101% efficiency and it will spin like mad, while offering huge lighting.
Of course, the first loos is the ball rolling more slowly due to the wire it is energizing. It keeps the wheel underbalanced. I wish to be wrong at that. Good luck with the rest of the build!
Cloxxki 10 months ago