Good attempt, unfortunately your threshold line should originate on the input axis, not the output axis. Its not when you reach a threshold of output, but when the input reaches it that compression begins.
Is it my ear or am I not hearing a difference before and after compression? Everyone won't shut up about the importance in compression yet it sounds the same after.
@IndieDaily If you're not hearing a difference it could be a couple different things:
1. Your threshold is not set low enough.
2. Your Ratio is not set high enough
3. The Plugin or hardware is inadvertently bypassed
4. Your monitoring is seriously messed up, I suggest headphones.
Set your ratio super high and move the threshold around. When you're compressing, it WILL become quieter, that's why makeup gain is there. But first make sure it's dipping the volume. Sounds like a settings issue.
Thanks for the response. I get a better idea but what exactly is the objective. I tried moving the threshold to get everything a lot lower and then adjusting the makeup gain and it sounds like I'm right back at where I started. I did do a lot of equalizing before tho so is it possible I equalized every individual sample to the point where compression is not needed? Thanks again I really appreciate the help.
@IndieDaily Equalization will bring out the best parts of the sound but compression will even volume response. When dealing with samples, it's entirely possible that you're dealing with sounds that are all equal volume though so compression may not be required in the early stages. If you hit hard enough with a compressor, you WILL hear a difference though.
@donsolo00 :-) But it's too bad that many well-intentioned YouTubers, some even with a good grasp of the subject matter, might lose people due to poor presentation skills, or due to the poor production quality of the video.
I wish there were more tutorial videos like the excellent ones produced by SoundcraftUK for its YouTube channel, where one can watch 17 well-done videos in the section called "The Soundcraft Guide to Mixing" — very helpful.
@selatik1 I don't really make videos like this anymore because to be honest, it has no benefit to me. I've done mastering for grammy winners since making this video. I'm glad to help people make good recordings but the reality is that because I've never had anyone reach out to me regarding helping with THEIR record, I just don't attempt to make videos like this anymore. I did this in college where time was abundant.
@wearashirt Look at your monitor from another angle. I can see it fine. Yes, the lighting sucked. I'm an audio guy and the video guy didn't know what he was doing.
@MATHGODpi It really depends on the situation. I use slow attack times to bring out transients when mastering. Slow release times is all about avoiding the ultra-pumping sound when overcompressing.
@DarkWhite25 Multiband compressors for the most part are a real issue. What they do is they split the audio into sections based on frequency. This is very helpful in mastering and sometimes large bus sections like full drums but typically, a traditional compressor is the best way to go. For a very clear visual compressor, most built into DAWs (other than DP) are graphed though metric Halo's channel strip is well done and sounds great, I'd also recommend Waves C1
thanks for the vid, seeing it written as you were explaining the theory actually helped me follow what you were saying. and thanks for the "understanding how it works" approach -it is far more help than being told what the settings should be.
What's funny is that originally, I got a lot of comments about "what settings do I use?" And it's pretty clear that you are more suited to learn from this video than those that are looking for a quick fix.
Stay tuned, I should have some new videos coming. In the mean time, go search for "college Beach Party Massacre 4"
Hi Don, thanks alot for this, Compressions bin a hard one 2 get the hang of, but this def helped. Anything else you wanna share would b welcomed with open arms :o)
Time constraints. And here we are specifically talking about the theoretical aspect of compression. Rather than taking a didactic approach saying "you should use these settings here" instead I'd rather have you understand WHAT it is.
Hey Donsolo, Warren here. Just a thought: I would write everything out first to keep things flowing easier. In other words, you can progressively move the camera around to pre-written text rather than everyone watching you write.
Found your video randomly here and recognized a fellow slut!
Right on dude, you got it! Terrible just about everything else on the video though...next time take the lamp shade off or point/fade a halogen desk lamp. 4:00 you can hear your camera guys stomach growling, feed the poor guy, lol. Great work!
The sound (which has been referred to a stomache growl and fart) is a cheapo tripod groaning as we moved the camera. As for lighting, I guess I could have taken the shades off of my ceiling lamp but I didn't have a desk lamp. This really was more about the information than production value.
@spacemanvector32 Eigh, it took you two years to find the video. I wasn't looking at the dates of the comments and I clearly don't log in much to see who's commenting what.
Great video! The people who don't get it probably have'nt done much experimenting with compressors. Everything you said was spot on. As far as better suggestions, you should try to make slides or a powerpoint type thing and keep that camera on a tri-pod or steady surface. No need for zooming in and out. Great job!
very very very well explained - there's a few videos concerning the applications of compression but very few attempt to actually explain what it is :)
Its a good explanation but it doesent really give that much practical information I think. I mean if I'm just using a stomp box compressor for guitar and now you've explained it I know what the attack knob does in a technical sense I still dont know why I would want it set high or low and for what purpose.
Hey Nice video. I think Jeedan makes a good point but as he said in the beggining this only how a compressor works, and not its application. Also, did someone blow some serious ass there near then end, or was that me?
I would have liked to see a longer video showing comparable results in drawn waves. :) How about using a compressor as a brick wall limiter? Let's say you want to use compression and limit volume to -.1 If I set ration to infinity, and thresh to -.1 it should never go past .-1dbs right?
Attack is the delay BEFORE the signal starts to attenuate the signal. Release will continue to attenuate the signal even after it's gone below the threshold for the given period of time. Make up gain is just gain at the end of the whole process bringing all parts up equally.
Good attempt, unfortunately your threshold line should originate on the input axis, not the output axis. Its not when you reach a threshold of output, but when the input reaches it that compression begins.
J7C3B 3 months ago
@J7C3B If this is your main complaint on this video, I've done my job.
donsolo00 1 month ago
Is it my ear or am I not hearing a difference before and after compression? Everyone won't shut up about the importance in compression yet it sounds the same after.
IndieDaily 9 months ago
@IndieDaily If you're not hearing a difference it could be a couple different things:
1. Your threshold is not set low enough.
2. Your Ratio is not set high enough
3. The Plugin or hardware is inadvertently bypassed
4. Your monitoring is seriously messed up, I suggest headphones.
Set your ratio super high and move the threshold around. When you're compressing, it WILL become quieter, that's why makeup gain is there. But first make sure it's dipping the volume. Sounds like a settings issue.
donsolo00 9 months ago
@donsolo00
Thanks for the response. I get a better idea but what exactly is the objective. I tried moving the threshold to get everything a lot lower and then adjusting the makeup gain and it sounds like I'm right back at where I started. I did do a lot of equalizing before tho so is it possible I equalized every individual sample to the point where compression is not needed? Thanks again I really appreciate the help.
IndieDaily 9 months ago
@IndieDaily
Oh and I'm using good headphones.
IndieDaily 9 months ago
@IndieDaily Equalization will bring out the best parts of the sound but compression will even volume response. When dealing with samples, it's entirely possible that you're dealing with sounds that are all equal volume though so compression may not be required in the early stages. If you hit hard enough with a compressor, you WILL hear a difference though.
donsolo00 1 month ago
How long have you been held captive in that basement?
selatik1 9 months ago 2
@selatik1 I was in that dorm room for 4 semesters.
donsolo00 9 months ago
@donsolo00 :-) But it's too bad that many well-intentioned YouTubers, some even with a good grasp of the subject matter, might lose people due to poor presentation skills, or due to the poor production quality of the video.
I wish there were more tutorial videos like the excellent ones produced by SoundcraftUK for its YouTube channel, where one can watch 17 well-done videos in the section called "The Soundcraft Guide to Mixing" — very helpful.
selatik1 9 months ago
@selatik1 I don't really make videos like this anymore because to be honest, it has no benefit to me. I've done mastering for grammy winners since making this video. I'm glad to help people make good recordings but the reality is that because I've never had anyone reach out to me regarding helping with THEIR record, I just don't attempt to make videos like this anymore. I did this in college where time was abundant.
donsolo00 1 month ago
hahaha at 3:59 you can hear someones stomach growl..........
tubeinyou23 10 months ago
@tubeinyou23 it's a cheap tripod being adjusted.
donsolo00 9 months ago
Thanks, First explanation that makes sence.
Principezone 10 months ago
Your camera is shit. Wish I could've seen more of what you were writing on the board coz I was really interested.
wearashirt 10 months ago
@wearashirt Look at your monitor from another angle. I can see it fine. Yes, the lighting sucked. I'm an audio guy and the video guy didn't know what he was doing.
donsolo00 9 months ago
i usually use the fastest attack and release times possible, otherwise the outcome usually sounds awful imo
MATHGODpi 1 year ago
@MATHGODpi It really depends on the situation. I use slow attack times to bring out transients when mastering. Slow release times is all about avoiding the ultra-pumping sound when overcompressing.
donsolo00 1 year ago
@MATHGODpi Slow down your attack and let some more punch through...
donsolo00 1 month ago
thank you boss, that was the best compression class ever, now i know what the $%^$%^$% is going on,
stefanmcdad 1 year ago
@stefanmcdad That was the idea. Eventually I'm going to re-do this with examples and stuff...
donsolo00 1 year ago
This was insanely helpful. Thanks for posting this. Great video!!!
gtrraider84 1 year ago
u should defff make more videos like this, maybe with limiters, maximizers and shiizz???
connerYO 1 year ago
@connerYO Don't mess with maximizers, they're not useful except MAYBE live.
donsolo00 1 year ago
CAMERA GUY'S STOMACH GROWLS LOUDLY STARTING AT 3:59
selatik1 1 year ago
HE HAS NO EYES
selatik1 1 year ago
very nice!
thank you.
h2di 1 year ago
finally! thanks a lot, been searching for this explanation for like a month!
guitarvass7 2 years ago
That's a good vid, well done!
sprocketpack 2 years ago
aaaaaah finally. ive been using multiband compressors in FL because of its visuals, now i understand i can use the ordinary compressor. cheers mate
DarkWhite25 2 years ago
@DarkWhite25 Multiband compressors for the most part are a real issue. What they do is they split the audio into sections based on frequency. This is very helpful in mastering and sometimes large bus sections like full drums but typically, a traditional compressor is the best way to go. For a very clear visual compressor, most built into DAWs (other than DP) are graphed though metric Halo's channel strip is well done and sounds great, I'd also recommend Waves C1
donsolo00 1 year ago
Good effort. Creepy lighting. Maybe speak more about context in future vids, i.e. give examples. Cheers.
musiccalgary 2 years ago
get some light into that room :P
ryrayer 2 years ago 6
Well...I'm an audio guy...
Yes, Phil didn't light the room well.
donsolo00 2 years ago
Dope Vid Man, thanks, helped me understand compression a bit better.
SV1200 2 years ago
GREAT TEACHING!!!... dude u rock straight up.... more knowledge please...PLEASE!
Gmoreno89 2 years ago
thanks for the vid, seeing it written as you were explaining the theory actually helped me follow what you were saying. and thanks for the "understanding how it works" approach -it is far more help than being told what the settings should be.
pedrov8hed 3 years ago
What's funny is that originally, I got a lot of comments about "what settings do I use?" And it's pretty clear that you are more suited to learn from this video than those that are looking for a quick fix.
Stay tuned, I should have some new videos coming. In the mean time, go search for "college Beach Party Massacre 4"
donsolo00 2 years ago
Ahh now it makes sense! thanks
rayzr1 3 years ago
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no idea wtf u talkn bout
hbdog 3 years ago
Thanks for making this, it fits well into my sound series
motojeff 3 years ago
thanx mate..very helpful
madsonrecords 3 years ago
Thanks don... it's a great video...
Najibbaskom 3 years ago
I love you
spaterman 3 years ago
Hi Don, thanks alot for this, Compressions bin a hard one 2 get the hang of, but this def helped. Anything else you wanna share would b welcomed with open arms :o)
zonktek 3 years ago
thanks mate. great info. 5 stars , subscibed
songcovers 3 years ago
Too dark.
ib422000 3 years ago
Why not show this using an audio editor, and show the difference the compressor is making.
sourberrymusic 3 years ago
the reason i do not do that is twofold:
Time constraints. And here we are specifically talking about the theoretical aspect of compression. Rather than taking a didactic approach saying "you should use these settings here" instead I'd rather have you understand WHAT it is.
donsolo00 3 years ago
Any comments that are profane in nature are removed, marked as spam, user blocked and reported to youtube.
I'm all for criticism but let's keep it clean, stick to the facts and avoid personal attacks.
donsolo00 3 years ago
thanks this tutorial helped me a lot but someone farted at 4:00 haha
lbulcaansc11 3 years ago
Hey Donsolo, Warren here. Just a thought: I would write everything out first to keep things flowing easier. In other words, you can progressively move the camera around to pre-written text rather than everyone watching you write.
Found your video randomly here and recognized a fellow slut!
Warren
Warhead711 3 years ago
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BULLSHIT.everyone LOVES making things sooooo complicated.this shit can be explained so much more simply.shut up professor.
shocku22 3 years ago
shocku 22 it isnt complicated the guy or "professor" is trying to tell us how compressor works on simple graph. nice video!!!
vojakst 3 years ago
dumbass
LANCEVANCE08 3 years ago
thanks for the tutorial
vatolegato 3 years ago
interesting sir. when will the follow up videos be up?
JusticeBeatz 3 years ago
Great! I knew how it worked but I didn't know anything about makeup gain. Thanks!
pedrowasabi 3 years ago
change title to: The physics of compression.
leslieTS 3 years ago
spot on mate! i was dying to know about compression and your video helped alot!
2Luke 3 years ago
Right on dude, you got it! Terrible just about everything else on the video though...next time take the lamp shade off or point/fade a halogen desk lamp. 4:00 you can hear your camera guys stomach growling, feed the poor guy, lol. Great work!
spacemanvector32 4 years ago 5
The sound (which has been referred to a stomache growl and fart) is a cheapo tripod groaning as we moved the camera. As for lighting, I guess I could have taken the shades off of my ceiling lamp but I didn't have a desk lamp. This really was more about the information than production value.
donsolo00 3 years ago
LMAO didnt even notice this.....thanks for the tut tho man helps me understand it alot !
s2Texan 3 years ago
@spacemanvector32 Cheap tripod noise.
donsolo00 1 year ago
@donsolo00 was that it? well....grease the tripod then, you got back to me two years later man, wow what a trip....lol.
spacemanvector32 1 year ago
@spacemanvector32 Eigh, it took you two years to find the video. I wasn't looking at the dates of the comments and I clearly don't log in much to see who's commenting what.
donsolo00 1 year ago
@spacemanvector32 HAHA I read this as watching and heard the guys stomach growl same time i read it.
lol
Good video though
reuelmeditz 1 year ago
Great video! The people who don't get it probably have'nt done much experimenting with compressors. Everything you said was spot on. As far as better suggestions, you should try to make slides or a powerpoint type thing and keep that camera on a tri-pod or steady surface. No need for zooming in and out. Great job!
Yaggsionhimen 4 years ago
This particular video was done with a tripod if I remember correctly. Phil was still getting used to his new camera.
There is going to be a better version pretty soon.
donsolo00 4 years ago
don't give finite numbers on attack and release time, all compressors are different.
make up gain is not explained well, I'd even say it's misleading. May want to expand on the explanation.
attack needs to be explained much better on the graph.
nice try, just a little short sited and misleading.
rockstar2k7 4 years ago
very very very well explained - there's a few videos concerning the applications of compression but very few attempt to actually explain what it is :)
thepriceofreality 4 years ago
please.. add some lighting there :)
snapdust 4 years ago
useful video, thanx
VonSeux 4 years ago
Its a good explanation but it doesent really give that much practical information I think. I mean if I'm just using a stomp box compressor for guitar and now you've explained it I know what the attack knob does in a technical sense I still dont know why I would want it set high or low and for what purpose.
Jeedan 4 years ago
Hey Nice video. I think Jeedan makes a good point but as he said in the beggining this only how a compressor works, and not its application. Also, did someone blow some serious ass there near then end, or was that me?
Creedguy 4 years ago
That was Phil Shifting a cheap tripod that groaned real bad.
donsolo00 4 years ago
I would have liked to see a longer video showing comparable results in drawn waves. :) How about using a compressor as a brick wall limiter? Let's say you want to use compression and limit volume to -.1 If I set ration to infinity, and thresh to -.1 it should never go past .-1dbs right?
monnie110 5 years ago
That was Phil's camera stand.
donsolo00 5 years ago
thanks!
who farted at the end there :D hehe
but thanks a ton!
hageir 5 years ago
That was a really useful video! Really helped me get my head around the concepts. Thanks!
adaminspace 5 years ago
Attack is the delay BEFORE the signal starts to attenuate the signal. Release will continue to attenuate the signal even after it's gone below the threshold for the given period of time. Make up gain is just gain at the end of the whole process bringing all parts up equally.
donsolo00 5 years ago
infinity against one??
clarify allack and release better please, and the effects of "make up game".
sam261007 5 years ago
Nice :) It would be better with some audio examples :)
Radderz22 5 years ago
Thanx for uploading this. 4 stars.
lllll333 5 years ago
I actually WANT to address a few of the critizisms despite their poor presentation.
It's IS attenuate. I mispronounced it.
Perhaps describing an expander as a 1:something was confusing
And yes, the threshold is the point past the input gain from where the signal is changed.
Thank You
donsolo00 5 years ago
Some Comments have been removed due not to their critisism but due to the personal attacks.
These are childish and uncalled for.
Please refrain from these in the future.
Thanks you.
donsolo00 5 years ago
camera work sucks balls.. informative tho
crawford45 5 years ago
I'm not 100% we had better options, any suggestions?
I'm hoping to expand these
donsolo00 5 years ago