Ok i took the time to lvl a 85 nelf subtlety rogue and yes, 'serrated blades' is a must if your reforging crit rather than haste. i tried reforging into haste but i found that crit seems to be more of a dps buff if u have backstab glyph. The reason being, Lethality and bleeds. two things that benefit from crit rather than haste.
I mean sort of... but u basically passed up on the majority of what make this a really solid pve class... I mean for instance you have no rupture... which is rather silly... basically don't begin to teach unless u atleast understand what your to be teaching.
Subty rogue is the best in pvp...Its because you have control over the fight...yea sure assasination vs melee is better than subty but if you are assasination and play against a caster you will get kited all day long....on the other hand subty has Shadowstep and more stuns so pvp - Subtlety ^^
Here's another one for that douche saying it was 10 months ago. Opening rotation is critical for the rest of the rotation. With expose weakness, master of subtlety, premed, and the raw power of ambush, this should have been clear to this nub calling himself a rogue. The list of stupidity goes on. Stick with mut buddy, stick with mut.
WTH!! your serrated blades is as important to the sub tree is as cut to the chase is for the assas tree :\ And your recuperate does not need to be up 100% of the time. Should be concentrating on keeping SnD and Rupture/evis up
@MrJpascua problem is it's with a test dummy. HaT procs will be nowhere near what they would be in a raid. In a raid all three will be up 100% of the time.
i'd like to announce to people before they post : look when this was made and read what it says, he says for the matter... "pre-Cata" derps.. its old 10 months old...
Someone that knows a lot about rogues please answer this, should i use 2 daggers, a dagger and a sword, a dagger and a mace, etc. and which should go off-hand and which should go main? Ty.
@moneyafro combat spec 2 swords, subtley spec 2 daggers, raid spec 1 dagger 1 sword but 2 daggers is a good idea as well. Cant really remember offhand onhand stuff, look it up its on the wiki.
@BlizzardGamification assasin for pve does the best dps and some argue this but subtlety is the best in pvp. I play arena all day long and have never been beaten by a mutilate rogue. EVER. But as far as dammage goes mutilate can do alot. You will enjoy playing sub in pvp, its really fun. Go sub you wont regret it.
question. Now on the new patch, the main attack for sub rouges is hemo, right? hemo costs way less energy and hits fairly high. and u dont need to be behind your enemy.
One thing i didnt agree with was that he put down vanish and preparation, the good thing about those if used right is that they let you use your initial burst three times(Like on bosses or pvp), but agree you should not use it when theres a one on one because the monster heals.
I believe the only reason your Backstab was comparable to Ambush was because after you used Ambush you used Backstab and therefore got the -50% to enemy armor
AFTER a drake has been downed. Last time I did Halfus, months ago, I pulled 50k+, after spending my time on two drakes and whelps, yeah whelps as a sub, WIN.
@loganf1lms i alredy have a wow account he just higher level so i want to see how high level playn is. i have like 4 accounts cuz they kept getting hacked but they work now so............
yea if you want to do any damage at all on sub DONT listen to this guy he is completely misusing this talent im not bashing him but find weakness hes completely ignoring his chance to do big damage and popping snd which really isnt great on sub because sub is all about BURST damage i do higher dps than that in 3 hits and if you must spam anything make it expose armor so you do higher BURST sorry but fail vid
Just a thought, since you are raiding or dpsign whatever as sub shouldn't you drop the 3 in cheap death and go for the thing that reduces aoe damage you take and increases the duration of feint I think?
Hey i was wondering who video recording device you are using? Also, do you have to pay for it? Also your videos look very nice because of the HD. Do you upload it already in HD or does YouTube make it HD when uploaded? Thanks for the help =D!
ok hes wrong about the poisons, BUT he is right about serated blades, while rupture in itself is not very powerful the talent sanguiry vein however STACKS the 10% damage per bleed essentially giving you 20% more damage from the hemorrage glyph and rupture being up(also prep is good with the above mentioned talent to vanish-->garrote for another 10% then pop cds to increase damage before ambush spamming with dance) hope this has helped, not trying to say you are wrong just stating my oppinion.
im not sure if this is reliable or not ive seen comments that say he doing it wrong but this appears to have a good balance of likes and dislikes...... so is this reliable?
@henrydaman125 Henry hes only using recount, goto curse.com downlaod their client and then look at new addons, addons you might like and might not are there, you can also search up some your not sure about.
Can we see a new vid of sub here or is it a dead spec? I'm leveling a rogue for a alt and this spec looks really fun. And the ONLY thing I seen in this vid was it might be kick ass to just get someone in there for Honor Among Thieves.
Assasination is starting to outclass sub. I still very much enjoy the sub, but i prefer sub for PvE, not PvP. And Instant/Deadly is the best if you want decent dps. The energy pool that Assasination uses is just insane. Mutilate highly outclasses any combo builder sub has, so eviscerate/envenom are used much more. Vendetta is insane when fighting other rogues, and dont forget the guaranteed kill that cold blood gives you. (Atleast at my level, which is 70). Venemous Wounds is crazy
I find it difficult to ignore rupture completely, especially considering the bonus it gains from mastery with it being a finisher. I haven't tried/tested it out so I'm not to call the poster of the video wrong, but he is right then ignoreing rupture was not the design intent for the spec and if the data is found out by the devs then rupture might see a change.
NEVER glyph evisc. it's a terrible glyph. terrible terrible terrible.
no offense man but you really don't do in depth theory crafting you just get on a dummy and wing it. I hope people are smart enough to see that and don't get mislead.
Also, with honor among theives, you cannot, and will not ever have a successful dps idea of Sub spec on a dummy.
Ok... I'm noob but even i know Rupture is a most use (for assass rogue its 100% Sure). If i start a pvp fight i do => Prep + Ambush ( 5CP ) Rupture + Herror !
I havent played WoW for awhile but i have been following the rouge closely, i think that preparation is not for PVE but rather for PVP especially as a worgen rouge i mean, think about it Worgen special is a sprint, then sprint, hit preparation and sprint again..... triple sprint flag carrier for quick cap ftw?
Sub is still fail for dps.... hes right when he said sserrated Blades is a waste.... Sub is and probibly always will be a pvp spec because ive tired it on bosses..... u get low dps and its nearly impossible to get ur rotation stated with Rupture up... i find i have to choose between SnD/Recuperate and Eviserate/Recuperate because u dont generate points to keep all 3 going.. plus on the boss fights u have to often stop dps to move and may drop rupture.. its too complicated for dps. pvp still good
You failed when you didn't apply rupture. Just glancing at the talent tree you should be able to confirm its importance. Maybe you should re read the talent tree...
shouldn't you only put 1 point in Honor Amongst Theives? It gives you 1 cp whenever someone in your raid crits...even if you are in a 5 man, you should definately get a cp from someones crit even on a 33% chance.
@youngnutsack17 erm.... this is the cata beta ALOT of things have changed. and he is sub. sub aint the best DPS. and other specs do more DPS and becuause you didnt say your spec. and claim to do more dps. your ovb not sub so your bound to do more dps...
Is the Glyph of Shadowstep worth it? I'm just skeptical that one would be able to keep enough energy during the duration to make good enough use of it
Hey nice vids! I have a question: which specc do u prefer in pvp? and plz motivate your answer! And do you prefer daggers on assasination and sublety?
They're correct about Rupture, though. Easy to miss, but Serrated Blades is 10%/20% *per combo point* to refresh Rupture. Rupture is to Subtlety as Slice and Dice is to Assassination, essentially; you use it once and it stays up for the fight. You can also reglyph away from Hemo and into something better.
I useing a different rotation form you but mind you I'm not in the bata.
Ambush ,Hemorrhage, Rupture, Shadow Dance, Premeditation, Garrote, Slice and Dice, Ambush, Ambush, Eviscerate, Backstab, Backstab, Slice and Dice
I only finding use for Energetic Recovery in AoE trash or soloing.
This don't work on dummy as need you need your Honor Among Thieves give 3 points at least every 8 sec. I know there a problem when you got to move around a lot but you have Shadowstep and Sprint.
To be honest, you're doing everything wrong here. I don't mean to have a go at you, but you have no hit cap, you have no expertise cap, your using the wrong poisons (It should be Wound/Deadly), your doing the rotation wrong (Your not using Rupture, massive DPS loss there), you're specced wrong (No Serrated Blades).
With Serrated Blades, you only use Rupture once (With your first 5 combo points) then you never do it again, you just eviscerate. So you're essentially getting free damage.
@source707 I'm sorry, you're just wrong about so much! Rupture does not stay up "forever", as you cannot reliably eviscerate enough to keep the very week debuff on, forcing you to waste combo points down the line. Of course I'm not hit or exp capped, did you miss the part where this is entry level gear? You aren't going to be capped the moment you hit 85 either. Also, I'm afraid you're wrong about wound poison.
@tgnWorldOfWarcraft i agree with you as far as rupture goes i dont even get it on my bar the damages is small and pointless however if you are useing two insta poison that is not right, main = insta, off = deadly it'll raise ur dps
@tgnWorldOfWarcraft Rupture does stay up forever if you can play the spec right, it's free damage. You can reforge to hit/exp cap easily, and you should be gemming agi/hit in blue sockets anyway whenever you get a +20 bonus. Wound comes out 1%+ better than Instant on your MH if Deadly is likely to fall off on a fight. I know this is 4 months late but yeah...
@Luke22Soarin in my own experience, which i know is variable per player, i do the recup before the snd. the longer recuper plus the energy regen from it seems to come out better having it up first. other wise i do the same thing, alternate the non damage finishers with the damage finishers.
@tgnWorldOfWarcraft Coming from the POV of someone who used to be in smiles for miles as a rogue....adding serrated blades complicates the rotation incredibly...however. With the glyph of rupture + 5 cp rupture, with the exclusion of movement fights rupture should always be refreshed. There's roughly a 4 second window to dump cp's into eviscerate but done with correct cp and energy pooling you can hit it every time.
As you've already said, Shadow Dance, Slice and Dice, and Rupture are the glyphs you want to use.
You should be grabbing Elusiveness instead of Initiative, and the reasoning behind this is that you are going to have a PLENTY of combo points in a raid setting due to HaT.
As for Serrated Blades, 2/2 should be taken instead of 3/3 Cheat Death. With the SnD and Rupture glyphs the rotation is not nearly as difficult to keep up, and in a raid all of the extra combo points make it easier
That said, I found that any boss that required a lot of movement destroyed my dps as Sub, simply because the 10 seconds of running around could drop off SnD/Recup/Rupture and it the spec has a long ramp up time.
I can't walk up to something and just start pounding away like Assassination, I have to set everything back up for an extra 10 seconds, and that's basically 10 seconds at a time of not doing anywhere near full dps.
did you have two instant posin on your daggers on purpose becase im prety sure deadly posin in cata off hand even as sub is still better then double instant.
@Jantard16 i know you made this comment 2 months ago but i have point out if you think 9.8k dps is low then i find that strange. You also said that its about half of your rogue is doing so that means your rogue is doing 20k dps. Ya your full of shit i don't think even a rogue with all 359 can hit 20k dps. You also stated that you don't have cata gear and yet your still hitting 20k dps. That is also impossible there is no way you can hit 20k dps on any class with just lich king gear. So get bent
@riku8585 Actually assassination rogues do 24k DPS on full 359 gear so it is possible, although its not possible without full 359 gear. My rogue does 16k on mixed 359 and 346 gear. And thats in dungeons. presumably in longer raids he can get to 18 maybe 20k if i play properly..but without 359 gear he did 12k..
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MrThezep89 16 hours ago
Guys, look at the year of video b4 commenting about his tree lol
EclipseSquad 6 days ago
I have been in several pugs that complain about me being subtlety because "thats only for PvP"
PinataFreaks 1 week ago in playlist Season 1
This rogue subtlety talent build sucks!
303x20d1 2 weeks ago
What's a good way to level up fast? Quests, dungeons, or pvp? I'm only like lvl 21 or something.
janderson9413 2 weeks ago
@janderson9413 Quests and dungeons.
TheNinjaStealth 5 days ago
your talents are tottaly wrong for pvp rogue,
MrBerserkerHero 1 month ago in playlist Season 1
@MrBerserkerHero just saying but this is for pve..
d2tz 2 weeks ago
Great Vid
BMVardeman 1 month ago
Ok i took the time to lvl a 85 nelf subtlety rogue and yes, 'serrated blades' is a must if your reforging crit rather than haste. i tried reforging into haste but i found that crit seems to be more of a dps buff if u have backstab glyph. The reason being, Lethality and bleeds. two things that benefit from crit rather than haste.
MrJpascua 1 month ago
wat is the best for energy wise
wat i mean is wich one doesnt use up energy
dubzstuuup 1 month ago
how did you do that with s-5 or s-4
burbsk 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
I mean sort of... but u basically passed up on the majority of what make this a really solid pve class... I mean for instance you have no rupture... which is rather silly... basically don't begin to teach unless u atleast understand what your to be teaching.
rodmanj1207 2 months ago
I did combat DPS but it was bland, boring and there was no strategy, I started Subtlety and I had much more fun.
TrueGamerNET 2 months ago
Filming this at 1:10 am xD
M8EO 2 months ago
Low dps =\
SmoooDooo 2 months ago
watch?v=1qVQY-3gQdU& please watch
WorldUfWarcraft 3 months ago
Subty rogue is the best in pvp...Its because you have control over the fight...yea sure assasination vs melee is better than subty but if you are assasination and play against a caster you will get kited all day long....on the other hand subty has Shadowstep and more stuns so pvp - Subtlety ^^
Hotul85 3 months ago
Yoda's like Saber!!!!!
SamH980 3 months ago in playlist Season 1
Here's another one for that douche saying it was 10 months ago. Opening rotation is critical for the rest of the rotation. With expose weakness, master of subtlety, premed, and the raw power of ambush, this should have been clear to this nub calling himself a rogue. The list of stupidity goes on. Stick with mut buddy, stick with mut.
Gylindril 3 months ago
Prem>SS>Amb>Recup>Hemo>SD>AmbX2>Rup>AmbX2>Hemo>SnD>BSx4>Hemo>Evis>Vanish>Prem>SS>Amb>Recup>Hemo>BSx4>Evis
That opener was just to squeeze in Rupture. After that opener your finishing moves go SnD>Evis>recup>Evis
You have to sacrifice SnD and recup time alittle.
MrJpascua 3 months ago
WTH!! your serrated blades is as important to the sub tree is as cut to the chase is for the assas tree :\ And your recuperate does not need to be up 100% of the time. Should be concentrating on keeping SnD and Rupture/evis up
MrJpascua 3 months ago
@MrJpascua problem is it's with a test dummy. HaT procs will be nowhere near what they would be in a raid. In a raid all three will be up 100% of the time.
Gylindril 3 months ago
Good ol' Cromar, u were awesome in WoW
Psychomaniac363 4 months ago
@dty19 my rogue is lvl 19 and also one hits ppl in arthi basin with shadow step-ambush crits! :D
cupcakes10987 4 months ago
I got one problem whit rogues you must alvays behind the target
dty19 4 months ago
I got a lvl20 sub rogue oneshoting whit ambush:)
dty19 4 months ago
i'd like to announce to people before they post : look when this was made and read what it says, he says for the matter... "pre-Cata" derps.. its old 10 months old...
turtlemav 5 months ago
@turtlemav what does that have to do with his misunderstanding of the spec...He needs 10 months to grasp what a monkey could in 15 minutes???
Gylindril 3 months ago
Dude you really have a lot of incorrect info here
wtfalts 5 months ago
Use preperation all the time idiot
noobertoober1 5 months ago
i wish i knew more about the game to gear my guy good.. i just like fooling around exploring.. alot of trolls out there tho
SoughBaked 5 months ago
Someone that knows a lot about rogues please answer this, should i use 2 daggers, a dagger and a sword, a dagger and a mace, etc. and which should go off-hand and which should go main? Ty.
moneyafro 5 months ago
@moneyafro combat spec 2 swords, subtley spec 2 daggers, raid spec 1 dagger 1 sword but 2 daggers is a good idea as well. Cant really remember offhand onhand stuff, look it up its on the wiki.
SeditiousSpyke 5 months ago in playlist Season 1
@moneyafro which spec?
Savageliferaul 5 months ago
This is bad...
Korlovin 6 months ago
THIS GUY IS AWESOME.
Mehspirit 6 months ago
I'm that DK o.O
Ih4zh4x 6 months ago
my lvl 70 mage hits for more than you do gtfohere noob
isaiahc16110 6 months ago
this video is a fail period......
JulioJLuna89 6 months ago
Anyone know why my full screen is pitch black? i have had this problem for every video for a week.
dolerbom 7 months ago in playlist blizzard entertainment
which talent is best for pve and which talent is best for pvp ? i creating a rogue soon
BlizzardGamification 7 months ago
@BlizzardGamification assasin for pve does the best dps and some argue this but subtlety is the best in pvp. I play arena all day long and have never been beaten by a mutilate rogue. EVER. But as far as dammage goes mutilate can do alot. You will enjoy playing sub in pvp, its really fun. Go sub you wont regret it.
jfoolify 6 months ago 2
question. Now on the new patch, the main attack for sub rouges is hemo, right? hemo costs way less energy and hits fairly high. and u dont need to be behind your enemy.
SeifCham 7 months ago
how can i get the "detail window" and "damage done" windows?
projectfear22 7 months ago
@projectfear22 it's an addon...
Called Recount
RE4XNaruto 7 months ago
@RE4XNaruto whats the name of it
projectfear22 7 months ago
@projectfear22 the addon called recount...
go search in google
RE4XNaruto 7 months ago
do u use hemorraghe ?? I seriusly thing that is useless
Gh0StSecurity 7 months ago
@Gh0StSecurity sub is useless in pve atm lol.... roll a combat rogue
d4rks33k3rz 7 months ago
One thing i didnt agree with was that he put down vanish and preparation, the good thing about those if used right is that they let you use your initial burst three times(Like on bosses or pvp), but agree you should not use it when theres a one on one because the monster heals.
randlestevenson 8 months ago
I believe the only reason your Backstab was comparable to Ambush was because after you used Ambush you used Backstab and therefore got the -50% to enemy armor
sneakupudead 8 months ago
lol not even hit capped.
tbjr253 8 months ago
I back stab at 26k regularly...
Cowmanbeef 8 months ago
instant poison for sub rogue? /lol
Themadclown13 8 months ago
yeah this spec has become far more viable. I have pulled 30k on halfus, 21 on dragon twins, 19k on shadow council 17k on magmaw.
Gylindril 9 months ago
@Gylindril If you're doing 21k on twins, you should be doing way more than 30k on Halfus, since he's taking 100% more damage.
MadeInKorea35 9 months ago
@MadeInKorea35
AFTER a drake has been downed. Last time I did Halfus, months ago, I pulled 50k+, after spending my time on two drakes and whelps, yeah whelps as a sub, WIN.
Gylindril 3 months ago
do u want ur account? ill be glad to take it off your hands if u dont want it or ur gonna stop playing wow.
taylorbugg11 9 months ago
@taylorbugg11 You are very sad. Why not make an account for yourself? Completely ruins the purpose of the game. Get a life.
loganf1lms 9 months ago
@loganf1lms i alredy have a wow account he just higher level so i want to see how high level playn is. i have like 4 accounts cuz they kept getting hacked but they work now so............
taylorbugg11 9 months ago
@taylorbugg11 LOOOOOOOOL. /facepalm
Dumb kid..
ElegantArtz 8 months ago
how can you do bacnkstep when you energi only is on 40 and not 60
???
DprimePruducitions 9 months ago
@DprimePruducitions look at subtlety talents . You can thank me later !
TherealTonynsa 9 months ago
But yea bad video - geared or not you do not know what you are doing. Get rupture in your rotation.
flank2007 9 months ago
i dont get it why do i have to use recuperate when i already have a healer in the group??
hate6663 9 months ago
@hate6663
Although it helps you gain some periodic health it's more for your energy regen in which you should be talented for in your tree
flank2007 9 months ago
ohhh right i forgot that :P thx man
hate6663 9 months ago
@hate6663 Energy bonus
1337Sn1p3rs 9 months ago
yea if you want to do any damage at all on sub DONT listen to this guy he is completely misusing this talent im not bashing him but find weakness hes completely ignoring his chance to do big damage and popping snd which really isnt great on sub because sub is all about BURST damage i do higher dps than that in 3 hits and if you must spam anything make it expose armor so you do higher BURST sorry but fail vid
mcdizzle0hokage 9 months ago
@mcdizzle0hokage make a better one, then
BlackArtBMX 9 months ago
Just a thought, since you are raiding or dpsign whatever as sub shouldn't you drop the 3 in cheap death and go for the thing that reduces aoe damage you take and increases the duration of feint I think?
charliboy15 10 months ago
thank you! you have no idea how much this video has help me... nice job
Liosbel23 10 months ago
Hey i was wondering who video recording device you are using? Also, do you have to pay for it? Also your videos look very nice because of the HD. Do you upload it already in HD or does YouTube make it HD when uploaded? Thanks for the help =D!
yortin 10 months ago
Is this build viable for PVP? or no?
swe123swe 10 months ago
man you need to make a vid about how to use your keyboard or w/e your using for your action bars, an alternative to clicking
Gh3masterofrock 10 months ago
Again, Wound is better if Deadly is likely to fall off. Wound in general is only 1% DPS loss anyway.
source707 10 months ago
ok hes wrong about the poisons, BUT he is right about serated blades, while rupture in itself is not very powerful the talent sanguiry vein however STACKS the 10% damage per bleed essentially giving you 20% more damage from the hemorrage glyph and rupture being up(also prep is good with the above mentioned talent to vanish-->garrote for another 10% then pop cds to increase damage before ambush spamming with dance) hope this has helped, not trying to say you are wrong just stating my oppinion.
Schwoopy69 11 months ago
lol just go assassination XD
sk8sheff 11 months ago
Dude my lvl 80 DK does more DPS then you
HaggerDagger 11 months ago
im not sure if this is reliable or not ive seen comments that say he doing it wrong but this appears to have a good balance of likes and dislikes...... so is this reliable?
SytheMeister4 11 months ago
i think recuperate is also important to skill
samanthadi 11 months ago
What addons are you using on this character??? I need to download the right ones...
henrydaman125 11 months ago
@henrydaman125 Henry hes only using recount, goto curse.com downlaod their client and then look at new addons, addons you might like and might not are there, you can also search up some your not sure about.
SokaSua 11 months ago
Err not evercise ambush
NerOxFiLms 1 year ago
So on my 52 rogue in stealth I open with shadow step than evercise. Than I use ambush, I want to know what I should use at 85 after shadow step.
NerOxFiLms 1 year ago
Can we see a new vid of sub here or is it a dead spec? I'm leveling a rogue for a alt and this spec looks really fun. And the ONLY thing I seen in this vid was it might be kick ass to just get someone in there for Honor Among Thieves.
MetalHeadThiele 1 year ago
Wait lol I just seen that Honor Among Thieves counts you aswell and you crit more then enough to proc it nonstop.
MetalHeadThiele 1 year ago
Sooo... the lowest dps would be combat?
RizzoxXxDEEMOS 1 year ago
Ummmm so you you're going to pass up the armor penetration from serrated blades?
Gourmeticainsularis1 1 year ago
Assasination is starting to outclass sub. I still very much enjoy the sub, but i prefer sub for PvE, not PvP. And Instant/Deadly is the best if you want decent dps. The energy pool that Assasination uses is just insane. Mutilate highly outclasses any combo builder sub has, so eviscerate/envenom are used much more. Vendetta is insane when fighting other rogues, and dont forget the guaranteed kill that cold blood gives you. (Atleast at my level, which is 70). Venemous Wounds is crazy
MrIncomprehendable 1 year ago
@MrIncomprehendable 85 is way different than 70
23Varned23 1 year ago
I find it difficult to ignore rupture completely, especially considering the bonus it gains from mastery with it being a finisher. I haven't tried/tested it out so I'm not to call the poster of the video wrong, but he is right then ignoreing rupture was not the design intent for the spec and if the data is found out by the devs then rupture might see a change.
xenoblad 1 year ago
addon name? (action bar)
roccoroket7 1 year ago
hmm...nice but what talents are good for doing dungeon?? or doing pvp arena?? plz tell me (:: i would appreciate that (:: and good vid. (::
fameistechno 1 year ago
do it work as PvP?
TheG209c 1 year ago
my mage do 10k damage and 2,5kc crit or more
typogif 1 year ago
Why would u sublety pve gotta do mutt for pve and sublety for pvp
hotdogman199 1 year ago
Hey so do you think subtlety is good for dungeons also?
shockingstun1 1 year ago
So, not to sound stupid or anything, but has the Subtlety rogue changed at all after the beta, or did it just stay the same?
VampiricGuy 1 year ago
You suck..
FuzeLDuzeL 1 year ago
hehe, wow geeks arguing :D
SebaPee 1 year ago
I appreciate a sub rogue dps video, however i disagree with some of your desicions.
1. Rupture may be a low damage move, but you should have it up, with serrated blades it becomes a a free move.
2.Cheat death does nothing for PVE, move points out and get something else ( like serrated blades)
3. Glyphs should be Feint, tricks of the trade, and third is optional.
4. Sub rogues hit cap is Much lower than other specs, so you can use 1/3 presicion and put that point into the eviserate damage.
bguerre12 1 year ago 7
@bguerre12 yeah i was thinking the same. the hit cap is 5% or 600. 3 points in precision like you said you wanted would have been a huge mistake.
jfoolify 6 months ago
NEVER glyph evisc. it's a terrible glyph. terrible terrible terrible.
no offense man but you really don't do in depth theory crafting you just get on a dummy and wing it. I hope people are smart enough to see that and don't get mislead.
Also, with honor among theives, you cannot, and will not ever have a successful dps idea of Sub spec on a dummy.
Krimghor 1 year ago
Loggernogger101 did you even watch the video???
Elvinator1994 1 year ago
why would u use recuperate when trying to dps all it does is give you health!!
loggernogger101 1 year ago
Oh and by the way : Sub rogue feels like you are really playing a class with all their best moves! Sub rogues are sick :D
Pisineenfles 1 year ago
Ok... I'm noob but even i know Rupture is a most use (for assass rogue its 100% Sure). If i start a pvp fight i do => Prep + Ambush ( 5CP ) Rupture + Herror !
Is that a good start ( for pvp ) ?
Pisineenfles 1 year ago
Worst DPS ever. Sub rogue sucks balls now anyway.
vgamedude12 1 year ago
I havent played WoW for awhile but i have been following the rouge closely, i think that preparation is not for PVE but rather for PVP especially as a worgen rouge i mean, think about it Worgen special is a sprint, then sprint, hit preparation and sprint again..... triple sprint flag carrier for quick cap ftw?
evilmonkeylords 1 year ago
fuk man im a lvl 83 sub rogue and im almost hit/exp capped
tangipai 1 year ago
Terrible rogue is terrible
wizzkiller92 1 year ago
Sub is still fail for dps.... hes right when he said sserrated Blades is a waste.... Sub is and probibly always will be a pvp spec because ive tired it on bosses..... u get low dps and its nearly impossible to get ur rotation stated with Rupture up... i find i have to choose between SnD/Recuperate and Eviserate/Recuperate because u dont generate points to keep all 3 going.. plus on the boss fights u have to often stop dps to move and may drop rupture.. its too complicated for dps. pvp still good
porkinitup210 1 year ago
Just stop making videos, ur terrible at the game and u were energy capped almost throughout the entire time
Emerywarrior 1 year ago 2
Lol wow you're terrible. Stop posting videos with wrong rotations/specs.
ZNes07 1 year ago 2
You failed when you didn't apply rupture. Just glancing at the talent tree you should be able to confirm its importance. Maybe you should re read the talent tree...
staxmix 1 year ago
@janneduivesteijn you say rogue it isnt good on dps?
psolemporac 1 year ago
noob dps hhaha
janneduivesteijn 1 year ago
not to use vanish?? ur sick
Coldman52 1 year ago
shouldn't you only put 1 point in Honor Amongst Theives? It gives you 1 cp whenever someone in your raid crits...even if you are in a 5 man, you should definately get a cp from someones crit even on a 33% chance.
legessi 1 year ago
Hey dont take this the wrong was but why wouldn't you put 3 point in improved ss instead of precision? this is pure curiousity
CISZMO 1 year ago
is sub the best dps in cata now?
andarat711 1 year ago
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andarat711 1 year ago
I love sub. :D
Wooz444 1 year ago
if you assholes know everything why do you watch these videos lol
Metalmagic1992 1 year ago
I'm comfused about your poison choises. What exactly are you using and why? Instand poison on OH I noticed.
Wucadlak 1 year ago
wtf? dude my 80 rogue hits harder then you ! must be my 60% crit
youngnutsack17 1 year ago
@youngnutsack17 erm.... this is the cata beta ALOT of things have changed. and he is sub. sub aint the best DPS. and other specs do more DPS and becuause you didnt say your spec. and claim to do more dps. your ovb not sub so your bound to do more dps...
iXhermitXi 1 year ago
@iXhermitXi ummm obviously if im talking shit and comparing my dps and his im sub too!
and i dont think you have ever used a rogue have you?
sub does way more then combat and assas...keep hemo and garrote and rup (with glyph) and the dps is insanely high...
youngnutsack17 1 year ago
that cape was awsome , they changed the design :(
darklord809 1 year ago
You honestly prefer Glyph of Hemo over rupture?
Wow..
Crabmantwo 1 year ago
Is the Glyph of Shadowstep worth it? I'm just skeptical that one would be able to keep enough energy during the duration to make good enough use of it
GrizzlyCarter 1 year ago
Hey nice vids! I have a question: which specc do u prefer in pvp? and plz motivate your answer! And do you prefer daggers on assasination and sublety?
CDDDEEU 1 year ago
They're correct about Rupture, though. Easy to miss, but Serrated Blades is 10%/20% *per combo point* to refresh Rupture. Rupture is to Subtlety as Slice and Dice is to Assassination, essentially; you use it once and it stays up for the fight. You can also reglyph away from Hemo and into something better.
mowry017 1 year ago
Can you please tell me which DPS meter are you using? Thanks
55811707 1 year ago
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vegnachaos 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@55811707 its called recount
vegnachaos 1 year ago
@55811707 Recount
nassenbassen 1 year ago
so... which one is better? assassination or subtlety?
MarcusMasters 1 year ago
ty for the vid but like some guys stated you are doing mostly everything false. try to read elitistjerks if you will play rogues in cata.
PrinzPinky 1 year ago
I useing a different rotation form you but mind you I'm not in the bata.
Ambush ,Hemorrhage, Rupture, Shadow Dance, Premeditation, Garrote, Slice and Dice, Ambush, Ambush, Eviscerate, Backstab, Backstab, Slice and Dice
I only finding use for Energetic Recovery in AoE trash or soloing.
This don't work on dummy as need you need your Honor Among Thieves give 3 points at least every 8 sec. I know there a problem when you got to move around a lot but you have Shadowstep and Sprint.
MrEvilTed 1 year ago
To be honest, you're doing everything wrong here. I don't mean to have a go at you, but you have no hit cap, you have no expertise cap, your using the wrong poisons (It should be Wound/Deadly), your doing the rotation wrong (Your not using Rupture, massive DPS loss there), you're specced wrong (No Serrated Blades).
With Serrated Blades, you only use Rupture once (With your first 5 combo points) then you never do it again, you just eviscerate. So you're essentially getting free damage.
source707 1 year ago
@source707 I'm sorry, you're just wrong about so much! Rupture does not stay up "forever", as you cannot reliably eviscerate enough to keep the very week debuff on, forcing you to waste combo points down the line. Of course I'm not hit or exp capped, did you miss the part where this is entry level gear? You aren't going to be capped the moment you hit 85 either. Also, I'm afraid you're wrong about wound poison.
tgnWorldOfWarcraft 1 year ago 34
@tgnWorldOfWarcraft i agree with you as far as rupture goes i dont even get it on my bar the damages is small and pointless however if you are useing two insta poison that is not right, main = insta, off = deadly it'll raise ur dps
the0real0joker 1 year ago
@tgnWorldOfWarcraft Rupture does stay up forever if you can play the spec right, it's free damage. You can reforge to hit/exp cap easily, and you should be gemming agi/hit in blue sockets anyway whenever you get a +20 bonus. Wound comes out 1%+ better than Instant on your MH if Deadly is likely to fall off on a fight. I know this is 4 months late but yeah...
source707 11 months ago
@tgnWorldOfWarcraft, PLEASE read the Elitist Jerks Sub Rogue Compedium. SnD > 5CP Rupture > Recuperate > Evis. You need Serrated Blades. Instant Mainhand Deadly Offhand.
Luke22Soarin 11 months ago
@Luke22Soarin in my own experience, which i know is variable per player, i do the recup before the snd. the longer recuper plus the energy regen from it seems to come out better having it up first. other wise i do the same thing, alternate the non damage finishers with the damage finishers.
kss341 10 months ago
@tgnWorldOfWarcraft Coming from the POV of someone who used to be in smiles for miles as a rogue....adding serrated blades complicates the rotation incredibly...however. With the glyph of rupture + 5 cp rupture, with the exclusion of movement fights rupture should always be refreshed. There's roughly a 4 second window to dump cp's into eviscerate but done with correct cp and energy pooling you can hit it every time.
d1vin1ty 10 months ago
@tgnWorldOfWarcraft Erm... you're wrong.
Tonaplo 9 months ago
@source707 Too right! (Y)
JoeBarloww 1 year ago
@source707 moron
StuntacularMole 1 year ago
@source707 noob
Hooliiiigan 1 year ago
@source707 lol you thought you knew how to play a sub rogue
Owlbearx2 1 year ago
@source707 i agree man
MaeteraEditing 10 months ago
@source707 TGN has good guides and u cant deny that
jeremy5767 10 months ago
You didn't use Shadowdance ;(
BigNatureWolf 1 year ago
@BigNatureWolf Huh? Of course I used Shadow Dance.
tgnWorldOfWarcraft 1 year ago 9
Did you "accidentally" use double Instant...
Meijenrr 1 year ago
Glyph of Eviscerate is worse than Slice and Dice, Rupture and Shadow Dance. (ShD is the best choice).
Meijenrr 1 year ago
@Meijenrr
As you've already said, Shadow Dance, Slice and Dice, and Rupture are the glyphs you want to use.
You should be grabbing Elusiveness instead of Initiative, and the reasoning behind this is that you are going to have a PLENTY of combo points in a raid setting due to HaT.
As for Serrated Blades, 2/2 should be taken instead of 3/3 Cheat Death. With the SnD and Rupture glyphs the rotation is not nearly as difficult to keep up, and in a raid all of the extra combo points make it easier
carom1 1 year ago
@carom1
That said, I found that any boss that required a lot of movement destroyed my dps as Sub, simply because the 10 seconds of running around could drop off SnD/Recup/Rupture and it the spec has a long ramp up time.
I can't walk up to something and just start pounding away like Assassination, I have to set everything back up for an extra 10 seconds, and that's basically 10 seconds at a time of not doing anywhere near full dps.
carom1 1 year ago
Why in the world do you have 3/3 Cheat Death with 0/2 Serrated Blades???
Meijenrr 1 year ago
You should have zero points in Initiative and those points should be in Elusiveness.
Meijenrr 1 year ago
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UberIndustrie 1 year ago
did you have two instant posin on your daggers on purpose becase im prety sure deadly posin in cata off hand even as sub is still better then double instant.
Zaoying 1 year ago
Love it but swear to god my friend does 9.8k dps
Parkoree 1 year ago
@Parkoree What's his character's name in the beta?
tgnWorldOfWarcraft 1 year ago
@tgnWorldOfWarcraft Flippinpony
MrMcNiglet 1 year ago
@Parkoree
9.8K dps ... thats dam low its about half my rogue is doing... and i dont got any cata stuff
Jantard16 1 year ago
@Jantard16 No it's not. Some of the top guilds in the world have people maxing 14.5k.
Vyrzek 1 year ago
@Jantard16 i know you made this comment 2 months ago but i have point out if you think 9.8k dps is low then i find that strange. You also said that its about half of your rogue is doing so that means your rogue is doing 20k dps. Ya your full of shit i don't think even a rogue with all 359 can hit 20k dps. You also stated that you don't have cata gear and yet your still hitting 20k dps. That is also impossible there is no way you can hit 20k dps on any class with just lich king gear. So get bent
riku8585 1 year ago
@riku8585 Actually assassination rogues do 24k DPS on full 359 gear so it is possible, although its not possible without full 359 gear. My rogue does 16k on mixed 359 and 346 gear. And thats in dungeons. presumably in longer raids he can get to 18 maybe 20k if i play properly..but without 359 gear he did 12k..
MrReddRogue 1 year ago