This is an Aventura UL, a one-seater. After flying steadily for a year to gain confidence in water ops, I sold it and bought a basic SeaRey. Now, six years later, I've got it on the market, planning to build the amazing new SeaRey LSX. I've heard good things about the Titan, best of luck with your project!
You're welcome, R. Here in our aviation community, we just demonstrated the lesser downside of not planning for the engine-loss eventuality: one of our finest pilots wrecked his Kitfox Super Sport powered by a Rotec radial. New to the design, he was flying more conservative, dragged in patterns. Each plane has a moving circle of landing zones underneath -- the flying boats' are very small -- and he hadn't figured out the Kitfox's yet. The result: landing short of the airport, hitting a tree.
We have 3,600 feet of paved surface serving 132 households. An eagle scout build as his civic service project a landing pad for air ambulance choppers. We have pilot-controlled lighting and visual approach slope indicators, too.
A new airstrip is coming in, a mile to the east.
Both are imbedded in a sprawling 4,500 acre private community with 65 miles of streets. I love the place!!
That's one of the best ideas I've heard in awhile.
How 'bout it, UL flying boat drivers*? Can you find a friend to do a simultaneous shoot from the ground?
BTW folks, info is still trickling in, RE Captain Thornburgh. Apparently, it was some kind of freak accident, an unintended night takeoff after the throttle stuck during maintenance... Truth is really stranger than fiction.
(*I have a SeaRey now, it has more conventional engine-out characteristics)
Great Video! Just got off the phone with Jon Thornburgh.....he was just transfered from the ICU to a regular post op ward! Im worried about him! I cant believe how many people criticize your manuever! You weren't to fast you DIDN'T flare to late. UURGG!! Comments from U-tube pilots drive me nuts! I own a Quicksilver MXII and will be practicing this with my instructer (Rick'; We're here in Alaska) in his Challenger II, Jon hooked us up! hmm~ they dont know Jon, they probably dont really fly UL's
I stand by my original comment. Unless you meant to eat up all that runway at the bottom of the manuever it is nothing more than POOR ENERGY MANAGEMENT ! What if you had needed to get into a small area ? You would be dissapating that extra energy INTO A TREE. BTW I have been flying UL since 1982. What were you doing in 1982 ????
The USAF had just run me through its $1 million program, I'd pinned on 1st Lt and become a Flying Safety Officer, was qualified on two types of jets.
I'd just published my first safety-related magazine article, inspired by recovering a Piper Warrior with pitot-static system loss in icing conditions, night IFR.
Count me among those who are glad you've survived these 26 years. With good reflexes, and some luck, you just might make it another 26!
Oh, danged... I forgot. That same year, I was in my second season of teaching Advanced Cadets for the 314th Sq, Royal Canadian Air Cadet League.
Some of my students, in fact, were only two years younger than you, SC. I think of them often. I flew them for four seasons, amassing hundreds of mishap-free hours, and several went on to earn scholarships. Many worked also with our CAP squadron (I was Deputy Commander, Operations back then) with the blessing of the US State Dept.
This is STS member Andy Shane flying a single-seat Aventura to show worst-case handling properties of a UL/LSA amphib following engine failure. The film was made for UL enthusiasts and the factory asked for a copy to play for potential owners.
While the SeaRey behaves more like a conventional aircraft, it still requires swift action to arrest speed decay after an engine failure at climb attitudes.
Momma said I have to wait for mine; otherwise, I'd sign up for the $2K discount pgm. Wah...
Of course, not all airframes need surplus speed for safety: an easy test for anyone to perform is to chop the power at climbout attitude and configuration, count the seconds 'til stall.
Figure on AT LEAST 4 seconds' reaction time for an unexpected power loss, and use good judgement in deciding what speed you want.
Apparently, I failed to make myself clear to all experience levels...
But, give that assertion about AOA a test, 'next time you rent: trim to a speed several knots above stall, let go of the yoke/stick, chop the power, and see what happens.
In some designs, the result will stick with you for awhile.
Allow plenty of altitude (just in case), video the exercise if possible, and enjoy.
[Legal note: Follow all FAA and manufacturer guidelines. Perform with an instructor first!)
Fairly well done but it appears to me that the pilot is carrying too much speed(energy) throughout the manuver. I can understand it at the begining but I would have wanted to bleed it off more in the descent so as not to have had that long of a ground run. Perhaps he was trying to make it to a particular hangar there along the runway ?
Jon warned me about that when I started all of this. Granted, failure either way (having a hard landing or flaring too soon and falling out of the sky from the unique energy-loss inherent to ULs) is going to hurt planes, not pilots.
It's one of those things that needs to be approached cautiously, practiced in increments.
But, hey, I'm preaching to the choir! You've got a lighter ship than me, nowadays.
Big water-flying season coming up! Enjoy and fly safe.
She challenged me WAY more than losing an engine in second-segment climbout without Assymetry Compensation, solid IMC, in the 777-200IGW I currently fly.
It's easy for the uninformed to look at the weight/speed and make assumptions. That's what kills even skilled, hi-time folks in these planes.
Google "Jon Thornburgh" for the straight skinny on UL engine-out safety. I would imagine if Jon's superb understanding can save anyone's life, it'll be yours.
I thoughht it was . I am currently flying a single place aventura since getting rid of my buccII. How do you like it? I have been flying mine for a few months now.
Kevin, [Part 1 of 2] Sorry for the delay... 'Just back in the country.
I liked it except for the need for rudder to help out ailerons. I sold it, bought a fellow airline pilot's SeaRey, a basic one, and love it. Solo, it flies not unlike the single-seater Aventura; just has some more airframe beef, is a tad more stable. I think the Aventuras in general are more friendly on the water, and the single to me was a bit easier to land in crosswinds.
BTW, the 'Rey fleet just had its second fatal accident in a month, this one due to mountain-flying wind effects. All but one have been directly pilot-error and would have occurred in any fleet.
The latter might be of interest to an Aventura owner, since hot-weather flying at a high power setting without a boost pump installed was found to be the cause.
Thanks Andy, I have always used auxilary electric pumps with the 2 strokes I have flown down here in Florida. I have always flown out of a small lake and liked the redundancy of the boost pump. Always hate to here of a fatality. Post some more when you have time, always like to see other amphibs. Take care Kevin
It's a single-seat Aventura with a Rotax 503. I owned it for nine months. Personally, I think the singles are a great value for the beginning seaplane pilot. But, as you can see, they require special skills.
Way to land, never use those engines for landing, just dive into the runway and forget about the rest
RICARDOALAYZA 7 months ago
@RICARDOALAYZA
A kernel of wisdom there. Practice your engine-out landings, UL crowd. It's more valuable than you might think.
andyshangar 7 months ago
This is an Aventura UL, a one-seater. After flying steadily for a year to gain confidence in water ops, I sold it and bought a basic SeaRey. Now, six years later, I've got it on the market, planning to build the amazing new SeaRey LSX. I've heard good things about the Titan, best of luck with your project!
andyshangar 11 months ago
What plane is this ? Thanks for posting. Im building a Titan !
OzParkPilot 11 months ago
Thank you. This is very instructive.
TheRooster602 1 year ago
You're welcome, R. Here in our aviation community, we just demonstrated the lesser downside of not planning for the engine-loss eventuality: one of our finest pilots wrecked his Kitfox Super Sport powered by a Rotec radial. New to the design, he was flying more conservative, dragged in patterns. Each plane has a moving circle of landing zones underneath -- the flying boats' are very small -- and he hadn't figured out the Kitfox's yet. The result: landing short of the airport, hitting a tree.
andyshangar 1 year ago
The Germans have the right idea.
We kill UL drivers at an alarming rate.
We have 3,600 feet of paved surface serving 132 households. An eagle scout build as his civic service project a landing pad for air ambulance choppers. We have pilot-controlled lighting and visual approach slope indicators, too.
A new airstrip is coming in, a mile to the east.
Both are imbedded in a sprawling 4,500 acre private community with 65 miles of streets. I love the place!!
andyshangar 1 year ago
That's one of the best ideas I've heard in awhile.
How 'bout it, UL flying boat drivers*? Can you find a friend to do a simultaneous shoot from the ground?
BTW folks, info is still trickling in, RE Captain Thornburgh. Apparently, it was some kind of freak accident, an unintended night takeoff after the throttle stuck during maintenance... Truth is really stranger than fiction.
(*I have a SeaRey now, it has more conventional engine-out characteristics)
andyshangar 2 years ago
good vid
thanks for posting it
wish you had a camera person on the ground as well
MetaView7 2 years ago
Great Video! Just got off the phone with Jon Thornburgh.....he was just transfered from the ICU to a regular post op ward! Im worried about him! I cant believe how many people criticize your manuever! You weren't to fast you DIDN'T flare to late. UURGG!! Comments from U-tube pilots drive me nuts! I own a Quicksilver MXII and will be practicing this with my instructer (Rick'; We're here in Alaska) in his Challenger II, Jon hooked us up! hmm~ they dont know Jon, they probably dont really fly UL's
waszak1977 2 years ago
Thanks for the kudo.
It was sure an eye-opener for me; but, like everything else, it becomes normal with some practice.
Fly safe!
andyshangar 2 years ago
wow.. huge difference between this and a 172 in glide performance.. i probably would've landed a mile short in this thing engine out.. great video.
mitgolden76 2 years ago
I stand by my original comment. Unless you meant to eat up all that runway at the bottom of the manuever it is nothing more than POOR ENERGY MANAGEMENT ! What if you had needed to get into a small area ? You would be dissapating that extra energy INTO A TREE. BTW I have been flying UL since 1982. What were you doing in 1982 ????
savagecub 3 years ago
In 1982?
Let's see...
The USAF had just run me through its $1 million program, I'd pinned on 1st Lt and become a Flying Safety Officer, was qualified on two types of jets.
I'd just published my first safety-related magazine article, inspired by recovering a Piper Warrior with pitot-static system loss in icing conditions, night IFR.
Count me among those who are glad you've survived these 26 years. With good reflexes, and some luck, you just might make it another 26!
Best of luck, friend.
andyshangar 3 years ago
Oh, danged... I forgot. That same year, I was in my second season of teaching Advanced Cadets for the 314th Sq, Royal Canadian Air Cadet League.
Some of my students, in fact, were only two years younger than you, SC. I think of them often. I flew them for four seasons, amassing hundreds of mishap-free hours, and several went on to earn scholarships. Many worked also with our CAP squadron (I was Deputy Commander, Operations back then) with the blessing of the US State Dept.
andyshangar 3 years ago
This is STS member Andy Shane flying a single-seat Aventura to show worst-case handling properties of a UL/LSA amphib following engine failure. The film was made for UL enthusiasts and the factory asked for a copy to play for potential owners.
While the SeaRey behaves more like a conventional aircraft, it still requires swift action to arrest speed decay after an engine failure at climb attitudes.
seareytech 3 years ago
Wow, and how 'bout that new SeaRey LSA offering?!
Momma said I have to wait for mine; otherwise, I'd sign up for the $2K discount pgm. Wah...
Of course, not all airframes need surplus speed for safety: an easy test for anyone to perform is to chop the power at climbout attitude and configuration, count the seconds 'til stall.
Figure on AT LEAST 4 seconds' reaction time for an unexpected power loss, and use good judgement in deciding what speed you want.
Honor POH speeds, of course.
andyshangar 3 years ago
"an easy test for anyone to perform is to chop the power at climbout attitude and configuration, count the seconds 'til stall."
It will stall as soon (or as late) as you pull the stick up to the stall AOA. Don't pull and it won't stall, regardless the airframe.
Or do you mear "chop the power, pull to hold the attitude, and count the seconds 'til stall"?
adb012 3 years ago
Sorry...
Apparently, I failed to make myself clear to all experience levels...
But, give that assertion about AOA a test, 'next time you rent: trim to a speed several knots above stall, let go of the yoke/stick, chop the power, and see what happens.
In some designs, the result will stick with you for awhile.
Allow plenty of altitude (just in case), video the exercise if possible, and enjoy.
[Legal note: Follow all FAA and manufacturer guidelines. Perform with an instructor first!)
andyshangar 3 years ago
Fairly well done but it appears to me that the pilot is carrying too much speed(energy) throughout the manuver. I can understand it at the begining but I would have wanted to bleed it off more in the descent so as not to have had that long of a ground run. Perhaps he was trying to make it to a particular hangar there along the runway ?
savagecub 3 years ago
wow, nerves of steel are definitely a requirement for that low flare.
dmo224 3 years ago
Not intended, really.
Jon warned me about that when I started all of this. Granted, failure either way (having a hard landing or flaring too soon and falling out of the sky from the unique energy-loss inherent to ULs) is going to hurt planes, not pilots.
It's one of those things that needs to be approached cautiously, practiced in increments.
But, hey, I'm preaching to the choir! You've got a lighter ship than me, nowadays.
Big water-flying season coming up! Enjoy and fly safe.
andyshangar 3 years ago
its a nice runway set up you have there, great landing!
corbystarlet 3 years ago
Very interesting. It certainly requires more skill than would be required to land a light general aviation aircraft in an engine out situation!
FlyTheBlueSky 4 years ago
She challenged me WAY more than losing an engine in second-segment climbout without Assymetry Compensation, solid IMC, in the 777-200IGW I currently fly.
It's easy for the uninformed to look at the weight/speed and make assumptions. That's what kills even skilled, hi-time folks in these planes.
Google "Jon Thornburgh" for the straight skinny on UL engine-out safety. I would imagine if Jon's superb understanding can save anyone's life, it'll be yours.
andyshangar 4 years ago
I thoughht it was . I am currently flying a single place aventura since getting rid of my buccII. How do you like it? I have been flying mine for a few months now.
dinomutt2 4 years ago
Kevin, [Part 1 of 2] Sorry for the delay... 'Just back in the country.
I liked it except for the need for rudder to help out ailerons. I sold it, bought a fellow airline pilot's SeaRey, a basic one, and love it. Solo, it flies not unlike the single-seater Aventura; just has some more airframe beef, is a tad more stable. I think the Aventuras in general are more friendly on the water, and the single to me was a bit easier to land in crosswinds.
(cont'd)
andyshangar 4 years ago
[Part 2 of 2]
BTW, the 'Rey fleet just had its second fatal accident in a month, this one due to mountain-flying wind effects. All but one have been directly pilot-error and would have occurred in any fleet.
The latter might be of interest to an Aventura owner, since hot-weather flying at a high power setting without a boost pump installed was found to be the cause.
Fly safe, Andy
andyshangar 4 years ago
Thanks Andy, I have always used auxilary electric pumps with the 2 strokes I have flown down here in Florida. I have always flown out of a small lake and liked the redundancy of the boost pump. Always hate to here of a fatality. Post some more when you have time, always like to see other amphibs. Take care Kevin
dinomutt2 4 years ago
What type airplane are you flying here?
dinomutt2 4 years ago
It's a single-seat Aventura with a Rotax 503. I owned it for nine months. Personally, I think the singles are a great value for the beginning seaplane pilot. But, as you can see, they require special skills.
andyshangar 4 years ago