Is it hard for a big country like russia that a small country like Sweden kick there asses in a couple of wars so they must do movies about it all the time.???
@stormastarenarhar Your fucking crusaders go to Russia with war and this battle was beentween Teutonic orden and Novgorod kingsdom (not all Russia) don't be perturbed :)
P.S. I don't support wars beetween Sweden and Russia
@laalions22 This is not a Hollywood fucking movie, and there is no good and bad in history, just winners and defeateds. Forget about Hollywood lies, Rambo, Superman, Captain America does`nt exist.
@Heightofhate Византии не было с 1204 до 1260-,была Латинская империя, а в 1237 пришли монголы и связи с греческими землями надолго прервались Греческое влияние было опосредовано -в ХIV в вторая югославянская волна (после турецкого завоевания) Учи историю-полезно
@kent684 Между утверждением, что после падения Констанополя в 1204 было "нечего наследовать" и утверждением "связи с греческими землями прервались и были опосредованы с 1237 года" нет никакой логической связи.
@Heightofhate Твоя модернизированная головушка так и не в состоянии понять Что Византии полвека не было, а в разграбленном католиками Константинополе нечего было заимствовать Перестань заниматься умственным онанизмом
@kent684 Пойми ты,тормоз от истории,что католики,разграбив Константиополь в 1204, потом сделали его СТОЛИЦЕЙ своей Латинской Империи,а жить католики любили хорошо.
К тому же с 1204 до 1453 250 лет, однако. Теперь посчитай как часто в среднем разорялись города по всей Европе - так чуть не раз в век получится. И что? Разве от этого они приходили в упадок навсегда или на четверть века? Нет.
Та же Москва полностью уничтожалась в 1238, 1382, 1812, сгорела при Грозном до тла, - а потом сияла вновь.
@Heightofhate Да будь он хоть трижды столицей Что можно заимствовать у клятых латинян если за обед с католиком-компаньоном церковь налагала на купца-православного епитимью ? Барбаросса разрушил Милан до основания,но не истребил население и город возродился Поезжай в Старую Рязань Не областной центр ,а маленькую деревню рядом с мертвым городом В центре Москвы-кремль(центр княжеской власти), а не ратуша(центр городского самоуправления )Нет бюргеров-потребителей западной культуры
@Heightofhate В средневековье вся жизнь человека контролировалась церковью За иное "заимствование" не налагали епитимью ,а отправляли на костер В ХУП веке в развалинах храма Св Софии в Киеве паслись свиньи Это к вопросу о возрождении Бюргеры-сословие Сословие мещан появилось лишь при Екатерине П Посадские же сословием не были и бюргерских культурных ценностей не потребляли Продолжай тупо ржать в обществе себе подобных Мыслить ты не способен Таким, как ты ,место в путинюгенде Не пиши мне
@kent684 Дорогой мальчик, ты пишешь не мне, ты пишешь на для всех открытой странице в Сети, поэтому мой ответ я посвящаю не столько тебе, сколько всем умным людям, дабы они над тобой посмеялись и развлеклись невзначай.
Скажи, а какая связь между тем, что я писал, и Путиным? Вот причём он здесь? Хотя, конечно, если ты из немцовюгенда, то Путин у тебя всегда и везде и во всём виноват
В любом случае к "югенду" я уже не могу относиться - мне за тридцать давно, так что читай дальше, авось поумнеешь
@kent684 Скажи, мальчик, а свиней на развалинах храма Св. Софии в Киеве ты лично пас?
В 1596 этот храм перешёл униатам, они, может, и пасли свиней в его дворе, с них станется, но вот руиной он не был точно, так как его в 1385-1390 воссоздал митрополит Киприан.
В 1630 киевский митрополит Пётр отнял храм у униатов и основал в нём мужской монастырь. Думать, что монахи неуважительно относились к своей обители, думаю, наивно, учитывая, что кропотливая реставрация шла аж до 1740.
@kent684 Бюргеры значит "горожане", а также "граждане" на немецком. Buerger aller Welt: "Граждане всего мира". "Космополит" по-немецки - Weltbuerger, то бишь "гражданин мира"
В русский "мещанин" пришло от польского "mieszczanin", что так же "горожанин" как и на немецком.
Бюргерами в те века были все, кому разрешено было жить в стенах города. Почему эти люди у тебя вдруг сразу стали хуже крестьян,феодалов,наёмников и клира?
Сословие мещан возникло при Екатерине II - как и все сословия вообще!
@kent684 Если Екатерина II законодательно оформила существование в России сословий своей Жалованной грамотой, то это не значит, что до неё этих сословий не было де-факто - царица лишь закрепила де-юре то, что давно уже было.
В мещан занесли всех посадских, ремесленников и прочих на них похожих.
Но за прибылью гнались не только они - купцы стояли впереди мещан, а уж эти ребята были на Руси всегда и всегда процветали, пока большевички их не переубивали в ходе Гражданской войны.
@PernatyZmey here is the address and read for yourself h t t p : //ptr-vlad.ru/news/interesting/33954-pochemu-russkogovorjashhie-plokho-ponimajut.html
not as heroic as in the movies, but noblemen in that day trained for their whole life and thus were more experienced. Also they had the best armor available. Swordblows would just glance of it. If the enemy wasn't using smart tactics, a horsed knight in armor equaled about 10 common footsoldiers:)
@Qongrat If you think that is the gentic compostion of Russia you're a retard. The most common haplogroup in Russia is R1a, not turkish haplogroups like J2 or R1b or Finnish haplogroups like N1. R1a is the halogroup shared by Slavs (lower in the balkans but still there) , Russia is Slavic.
@Qongrat My question is: who are the ethnic Finns in Russia that you speak of? Were they of a similar mix as the Finns in Finland? Where could I read up on the subject? Thanks!
@Qongrat Very interesting info here. Can I ask where one could read up on this subject? Also, one thing I don't fully understand in this context. In Finland itself, according to genetic research, only a small percentage of their ancestry is ancient Finnish stock and the rest is ancient European descent. So the people who brought the Finnish language to Finland were assimilated into the pre-existing population. The Lapps if I understand correctly- are a group that didn't assimilate.
@Qongrat But many in Novgorod and eastwards must have had some scandinavian origin. When you reed a novel by Vasilij Belov you recognize features like believing in farmgnomes or domevoji, In Sweden we call it "tomte". We also believe that if we see a black cat, we have spit three times over our left shoulder etc. to chase away bad luck..
Интересно, последняя фраза немецкого рыцаря о том, что ордену не следует больше полагаться на чужии мечи, подразумевает продолжение о битве на Чудском озере. я думаю именно для этого и был введён сам персонаж немецкого рыцаря. Но вот прошло уже три года, а никаких новостей нет... Кто-нибудь что знает?
why aren't those guys wearing helmets? They should get citations, not wearing a helmet in battle is even worse than not wearing a seatbelt while driving.
There are no Bulgar turks. Bulgar tribes are from Iranian descent. In 13 th century christian Bulgarian kingdom is the most powerful and dominant state in Southeast and Central Europe.
@djtvi bulgars are one of the turkic tribes from the Central asia migrated around AD400 and converted to christianity by the local folk. there is no iranian mystery in that.
Bulgars are mentioned far before 400 ad not only in Central Asia. They are not turkic tribe - this is written in Encyclopedia Britanica, but it is not true. Bulgars are west iranian tribe - together with sarmats, scyths and so on . They are converted in christianity in Southeast Europe by Byzantine empire in 9 AD and other part of Bulgars - near Volga river - are converted in Islam in 10 AD.
@PernatyZmey Actually, the things I stated come from Moscow universities own research that lasted around six years of the past decade involving Russian archeologists, geneologists and historians
I like the props and attention to armor, but I really wish movie makers (not picking on just this one, but all movies that involve armored hand to hand fighting) would pay more attention to the science of armor and weapons.
Using a double edged blade to slash a man-at-arms wearing a mail hauberk will not cause any damage, mail was precisely designed to not just resist, but complete deter slashes from bladed weapons. You need to pierce to defeat such armor.
@davidrzr and even then, the royal armouries at leeds has determined that maile will resist even somethrusting weapons, as well as tests on youtube using reproduction swords still failed to decently break through maille, this is even including dedicated thrusters like 15th century swords.
also let me reiterate how incredibly bad the music is, it really ruins the whole battle scene which is actually pretty well done otherwise with what looks like fairly authentic gear etc
that and the horrible dubs for the swedish guys, but that's mostly just funny
those helmets the rus had r awesome i mean the one that covers ur face with a metal expressionless face thats made of steel....wouldn want to face a guy in that....
For those who doubt slavic might because of constant western propaganda, just keep in mind we own 40% of Europe and have the largest country in the world even alaska useto be ours, we did not own this amount of land by being weak fighters, specially when you are in the center point between asiatic nomads, middle eastern empires and western Europe, Napoleon tried, Hitler tried, the swedes tried, the danes, the teutonic order and all failed. Even the unstopable mongols could not subdue all Rus
Okay, that thing the Rus guy did to the Swede on 1:16 was downright impossible, there's no way real riveted mail was gonna be sliced apart like that by what must have been a very weak sword slash. Besides the wound would have been very shallow, nothing that would put down a man on adrenaline.
@HaNsWiDjAjA my friend if you look closely it was a stab in which he than pulled the sword out in a slicing motion but it was really a stab and chain mail is is suseptible to stabbing attacks,
Not that susceptible, most quality maille should not have given way easily like that, especially to a sword not designed for stabbing in the first place like the one wielded by the Rusky. Plus the maille shouldn't have rent apart like that when he tugged the sword up after the stabbing attack pierced it - if it did went through in the first place.
Russians (Moscovites) exterminated Novgorod as soon as they had a chance. The director of the movie should have stayed with Novgorod dropping the whole Russian propaganda bullshit talk.
@salesman990 you say that cause u are not russian, because if u were u would notice that western propagand also has no limit but odcourse u wont see it cause ur a westerner and you think what they taught u in school is the truth and everyone else is just using propaganda. The truth is everyone ueses propaganda without limits.
@Augenkrampf Boris 2nd of Byzantium discouraged heroics. He just wanted to win, no showing off, and he was prepared to wait 50 years for a result. If you want to google him, he was also known as Basil the Bulgar Slayer.
@PernatyZmey he is not entirely telling crap genetic studies indicate Lithuanians and Latvians to be closer to Estonians and Finns than to Russians or Poles. Language-wise it is the opposite thought.
@turbokurwaagent007 Im just remarking about how a country can call any lands ancient when It has only existed for 400 years and had the WW1 borders for about 200 years. Austria has german culture, speaks german but its "NOT" ancient German lands for todays Germany. Same thing goes for Russia and Sweden alike. If not, then I coud claim that Finland & Norway Is ancient Swedish lands whitch woudnt make mutch sense at all. Anyone that woud claim the old polish border to be ancient russian Is stupid.
These cowards and weaklings, fought a war 1919-1921 and almost encircled the hole russian army and close to crushing it completely. Thats wy the poles got independence after WW1. Your grandfather has a stick up his ass ^^
@tyskbulle Cowards because they attacked a country in the middle of a civil war. An underequipped, hungry Russian army drove the Polish occupants all the way out from Kharkov to Warsaw. All the French machine guns and artillery didn't help the cowards. It was only Tukhachevsky's idiocy that saved the Polish semifascist regime until 1939 when they were driven out of ancient Rus lands completely.
These lands was never ancient russian lands, it was polish-lithuanian. You Russians have never done anything properly anyway, your still a dictatorship for cryout loud. That you have the stomach to call other nations and people cowards!
Your only disgrace yourself and your country men, in fact I woud like you to name a historical national pride of yours that dosent involve conquering people or killing your own.
@tyskbulle There are enough arts, scientific, technological and other achievements of the Russians. I'm not here to fill your education gaps, Polish Nazi.
Nither Polish nor Nazi, but frankly Rather a polish Nazi then a communist. Educational gaps, oh realy? Im not the one claiming that the geographical area of Poland before ww2 Is "ancient" russian lands now am I? Thats utter national bullshit, I guess you think Ukrania are ancient russian lands aswell now do you? In fact there are hardly anything that can be called ancient lands for Russia. Unless you count 300-400 years as ancient.
@tyskbulle Yes, you have big educational gaps if names like Chaikovsky, Dostoevsky,Tolstoi or Gagarin don't say you anything and if you claim idiotic things. In history and geography as well. Look on the maps of Kievan Rus, maybe it will open your eyes. Although I have little hope, troll.
Поляки- эт не нация- это сборище содомитов, трусов, и миньетчиков!! За всю историю эти "ЛЮДИ" СОСАЛИ У сильных ненавидели сопротивляющихся. Вы содомиты господа! ( господа в кавычках)
Very mutch so, its pointless to argue bravery mixed whit nationalism and sutch. Most old european countrys have had both sucess and disasters on the battle field. Russian infantry have been neglected to be bad fighters, the fact is that they have been the opposite. It has been other factors that made them peform poorly have given them a bad name. Alot of respect should be given to french and russian infantry during WWI, enduring more hardship then the others but still have a bad reputation.
truly dont understand this movie, he fights birger jarl in a really epic a la hollowood style battle but In reality Birger wasnt even in the same country at that time :S he was home in sweden taking care of his newborn son
wow this movie looks pretty bad. what was the budget like 3 dollars? and the trumpet theme in the back is mediocre. i feel like im at a carnival or renaissance fair rather than the actual battle. overall this is a bad representation of the real battle.
Actually, a behind of Alexander Nevsky were the Mongols. Mongols did not support a direct military aid to Russians for fighting against that Catholicism (German and Teutonic Crusaders), however, Batu khan encourage Nevsky to fight with Germans. Because mongols also have a interest to invade west Europe in that time (1240). It would be a good reason to declare war to Holy Roman empire or Hungarian. Alexander realized a situation that he had nothing to loose, even if he loose in this battle.
@modernnomad78 The Mongols only interest is to collect taxes and tributes from Russian principalities. As long as the Russians gave what the Mongols want, they are left alone. The Teutonic Knights are a Roman Catholic order of knights. If they conquered Russian lands, they will impose Roman Catholicism on the devout Eastern Orthodox population. Eastern Orthodox Christianity is part of Russia's cultural identity and Alexander Nevsky took arms to defend his people's heritage.
Because it was the clear Mongol would protect his a Vassal country from the others if they cant protect themselves. Fortunately, Alexander Nevsky could won the western invaders. I think this defeat of the Germany by Russians delayed a penetration of Mongol to the west Europe until April 1241.
hehe ok, I didnt know that, Poles often describe themself as the purest of the slavs, and mostly accuse the Russians for being mixed with Mongols, hehe.
Sweden were divided up in three nations during the Viking age and Medieval age too, When Kalmar Union was forged and later when Denmark tried to take controll over it Sweden united under Gustav Vasa and fought its way free from that lousy Union and became the King over Sweden, This was in the 16th Century, Then everything happened Quickly after that.
Battle of the Neva Battle of Poltava - Owned. Battle of Erastfer Battle of Kalisz Surrender at Perevolochna Battle of Pälkäne Battle of Storkyro Battle of Gangut - Owned Battle of Osel Island - owned again. Great Northern War- Total ownage. Russo - Swedish war 1741 - 1743
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I`ll bet your NOT reffering to the battle of Svensksund? Russia might have won some naval battles against Sweden, But Sweden has offcourse won most, Just like the landbattles.
Poltava? What about Narva? The only thing i know about Poltava is the much larger army the Russians used, But thats not the problem since the Swedish caroleans allways fought and crushed larger armies. But the sorched earth tactic the Russians used, Whiched made the Swedes weaker.
I know that many races are mixed now, Especially Slavic and Germanic. But Sweden are the purest Germanic people among the Germanic nations, Me for an example, I have a heritage in Sweden back to the late Viking age and probably further back in Swedish History, I have ancestors who fought in the wars before.. Germany,Poland,Russia.
Slaget vid Hummelshof Battle of Noteburg, which you swedes forgot. Belägringen av Dorpat Belägringen av Narva Slaget vid Systerbäck Slaget vid Selånger Stormningen av Verprik, owned by Casualties. Slaget vid Wesenberg Sjöslaget vid Retusaari Angreppet på Lava Sjöslaget vid Korpoström
I have never said that we were best, But we had the best trained Armies during the Great Northern War, But Sweden was a small Country, We had only 2 million people in Sweden back then, And we did manage to win great Wars and Victories, Conquering new lands. We even had Colonies around the World, Like the one in America, New Delawere.
You as a Russian should know this, Even your Tzar peter said "To fight against Ottomans is one thing.. But to fight against Swedes is another thing" The Swedes where better trained, And had one if not the best trained army in Europe The Caroleans. They marsched straight toward its enemy and halted when they stood 30 meters infront of them, Then they fired a massive volley and then charged against the stunned enemy. That gave many victories on the front.
Sweden lost its power and status as a Great power long before WW2, And why would we have wanted to participate in a war when we didnt have a strong Military? During the Cold war Sweden had a very strong Army, But during WW2 we as many other nations were caught by surprise.. Lucky for us the Germans and hitler liked Sweden and its people, Many of the Generals even had houses in Sweden where they spent their free time on the summers, Not during the war but before.
"To you guys, they're heroes, ok. But to the rest of the world they're fucking unknown. "
This only proves how uneducated you are, Anyone with an interest in History would know who Gustav II Adolf is, he is one of the best knowned Kings in the 17th Century.
The Ottoman Empire was a Backward nation with a lousy Military. They didnt even dare to attack Russia when Sweden destroyed the Russian army at Narva. They didnt interfiere until Charles XII Told the Ottoman Sultan to do it.
The Russian Civilians suffered a lot from that war, Most of the food went to the Russian army and the life for the ordinary peasent in Russia was very lousy. And the Russians didnt take good care of its own citizen, Your sorched earth technieq proves that.
Sweden is not forgotten as a Great Power, We attributed with great Reformations the World later would use, We won and participated in great Wars like the 30 years war. We have Gustav II Adolf, One of the worlds most known Warrior Kings, Even Napoleon read about him to become a greater general.
I really dont give a shit about Estonia and lithuania, They had slavic Names even during the Swedish era in their Country,.
You should read your History over again, During the Great Northern War only 26-30 000 Swedes lost their life on the battlefield against Poland,Denmark,Shaschen,Russia. While the Russians lost over 100 000 something. The full causulty list over the allies is over 700 000 People, Mostly Russian civilians. So your lack of knowledge about this subject only make yourself look stupid.
Gangut? haha, Nothing compared to one of the Greatest Naval battles in History, The battle at Svensksund and the Swedish Victory over the massive Hordes of Russian fleet.
Sweden invaded Poland and defeated them, And then invaded Saxony. They later marsched towards Russian ukraine and defeated the Russian army at Holowzyn and made its way to Poltava to lure Tzar peter out on the field.
The Army was tired and hungry because of the Sorched earth tecnieq, And the cavallry didnt show up in the battle until later because they were stuck in the swamp.
But i agree with you on one thing, The Poles where braver then the Russians.
Russia were kind of Fucked up even when you had a tzar.. To many poor people and to many poor people without bravery in war.
Russia have just been lucky in History, To not fighting a Strong enemy alone, But with allies. Without thoose allies Russia today might have been splitted into different Nations.
You are the biggest retard on youtube!! ''Russia were kind of fucked up''? Wow, you have room to talk, we kicked your ass in every war! Too many poor people? Aww, that's cute. Lucky in history ? You're seriously a dumb little child, if you were right next to me I would kick your ass, I agree with XShevaX
This only proves how bad your History knowledge is, Weak Swedes? We defeated your armies time after time, Even when you had a much bigger one! So who is the weaker one here? Sweden fought 4 nations alone during the Great Northern War, We butchered your army at Narva first, Then we invaded and defeated Poland and Denmark and Saxony. Then you used your Cowardly tactic sorched earth tecnieq.. or cowardly and cowardly.. It was apparently the only way for you to defeat Sweden.
Swedish History is rich and powerfull, Just imagin how it would have been if Sweden had as big population as Russia, We would probably had conquered most of Europe.
During the Great Northern War it went 6 Russians on 1 Swede. The Swedes were better trained, Better Moral/Discipline, And more brave. The Russians had bad Moral/Discipline and werent brave at all. THe Russian people isnt made for war. Thats the reason why so many Russians die at war, Just look at Great Northern War, WW2.
Stop right there you retarded ass! Better trained ? well if russians didn't have any training and you did then guess who would win? . Better Moral/Discipline? How do you know that were you born 300 years ago? The russian people ''isn't'' it's ''aren't'' and the russian people are made for war, look at our history and compare it to yours. So many russians die at war? You would never survive operation barbossa idiot!
Battle of Poltava, The Swedish Army faced an 2-3 times bigger enemy. And the Swedish army at Poltava was a Tired and a hungery Army because the Russians had used its "Sorched Earth technieq" Which means that your people burnt down your own villages and took away all food.
And you can compare the moden people of Sweden and Russia, Who is the most barbaric today? The Swedes has developed from its bloody History, The russians are stuck in the medieval age.
Why does it say "Swedish feudals"? Unlike Russia/Novgorod/Moscow, Sweden has never been a feudal society.
mjonas10 3 months ago
Is it hard for a big country like russia that a small country like Sweden kick there asses in a couple of wars so they must do movies about it all the time.???
stormastarenarhar 3 months ago 2
@stormastarenarhar Your fucking crusaders go to Russia with war and this battle was beentween Teutonic orden and Novgorod kingsdom (not all Russia) don't be perturbed :)
P.S. I don't support wars beetween Sweden and Russia
NewAbbath1349 3 months ago
16 swedes disliked this
Beanz526 3 months ago 2
whos good and whos bad?
laalions22 4 months ago
@laalions22 This is not a Hollywood fucking movie, and there is no good and bad in history, just winners and defeateds. Forget about Hollywood lies, Rambo, Superman, Captain America does`nt exist.
angelmagnicidio 4 months ago
@angelmagnicidio Last time I checked, No one said Superman was real.
InsanePickle007 1 week ago
@laalions22 The Swedes obviously, they wear more blue.
Droohie 4 months ago
shieldwall! Oh, yeah!
Rhapsodyas 5 months ago
and then they were utterly destroyed by the Mongols....
WOWZERS805 6 months ago
@WOWZERS805 this is during the mongol rule of the russian city states
Lordsebastian101 5 months ago
@Lordsebastian101 Mongol army never be in Novgorod Contribution to mongols Movgorod began pay in 1258 an d Battle on Neva be in 1240
kent684 5 months ago
@WOWZERS805 this is during the mongol rule of the russian city states
Lordsebastian101 5 months ago
@Lordsebastian101 The mongols never actually 'ruled' over the Russians, the Russians were just their vassals and had to pay tribute to them.
kidrussian555 5 months ago
The warmask of Prince Alexander is pretty awesome!
The rulers of Novgorod really used like this?
Viktormeister92 6 months ago
@Viktormeister92 Warmask and all weapons recostracted very careful All based on archaeological sources
kent684 6 months ago
@Viktormeister92
Мы же унаследовали Греческую культуру и культуру Константинополя - и маски тоже были )
almanet 5 months ago
@almanet После падения Константинополя в 1204 там наследовать было нечего
kent684 5 months ago
@kent684 Константинополь пал в 15 веке.
Heightofhate 5 months ago
@Heightofhate Загляни в школьный учебник Истории Средних веков Глава "Крестовые походы"
kent684 4 months ago
@kent684 Ну и где там, в этих учебниках, написано, что после 1204 там "наследовать было нечего"?
Heightofhate 4 months ago
@Heightofhate Византии не было с 1204 до 1260-,была Латинская империя, а в 1237 пришли монголы и связи с греческими землями надолго прервались Греческое влияние было опосредовано -в ХIV в вторая югославянская волна (после турецкого завоевания) Учи историю-полезно
kent684 4 months ago
@kent684 Между утверждением, что после падения Констанополя в 1204 было "нечего наследовать" и утверждением "связи с греческими землями прервались и были опосредованы с 1237 года" нет никакой логической связи.
Включай свою голову - это полезно.
Heightofhate 4 months ago
@Heightofhate Как ни включаю свою голову, отсутствия логической связи не углядываю Видимо, твоя голова перегрелась Выключи-пусть остынет
kent684 4 months ago
@kent684 Поскольку твоя голова нуждается в модернизации, поясняя:
Прерванная из-за монголов связь восточных славян с Константинополем не означает, что после 1204 года у Константинополя наследовать было нечего.
Читай, упражняйся, развивайся.
Heightofhate 4 months ago
@Heightofhate Твоя модернизированная головушка так и не в состоянии понять Что Византии полвека не было, а в разграбленном католиками Константинополе нечего было заимствовать Перестань заниматься умственным онанизмом
kent684 4 months ago
@kent684 Пойми ты,тормоз от истории,что католики,разграбив Константиополь в 1204, потом сделали его СТОЛИЦЕЙ своей Латинской Империи,а жить католики любили хорошо.
К тому же с 1204 до 1453 250 лет, однако. Теперь посчитай как часто в среднем разорялись города по всей Европе - так чуть не раз в век получится. И что? Разве от этого они приходили в упадок навсегда или на четверть века? Нет.
Та же Москва полностью уничтожалась в 1238, 1382, 1812, сгорела при Грозном до тла, - а потом сияла вновь.
Heightofhate 4 months ago
@Heightofhate Да будь он хоть трижды столицей Что можно заимствовать у клятых латинян если за обед с католиком-компаньоном церковь налагала на купца-православного епитимью ? Барбаросса разрушил Милан до основания,но не истребил население и город возродился Поезжай в Старую Рязань Не областной центр ,а маленькую деревню рядом с мертвым городом В центре Москвы-кремль(центр княжеской власти), а не ратуша(центр городского самоуправления )Нет бюргеров-потребителей западной культуры
kent684 4 months ago
@kent684 Ага, то есть если церковь епитимью наложила, то заимствовать нечего, а если не наложила, то есть что.
В общем, по тебе возможность культурного заимствования или его отсутствия определяется наличием и отсутствием епитимьи.
Да вы религиозный фанатик, батенька!
Киев и Москва были уничтожены татарами полностью и почти всё их население тоже. Однако они возродились как прекрасные города.
Католиков после 1204 было в Константинополе несколько отрядов, население полностью не уничтожалось ими.
Heightofhate 4 months ago
@Heightofhate В средневековье вся жизнь человека контролировалась церковью За иное "заимствование" не налагали епитимью ,а отправляли на костер В ХУП веке в развалинах храма Св Софии в Киеве паслись свиньи Это к вопросу о возрождении Бюргеры-сословие Сословие мещан появилось лишь при Екатерине П Посадские же сословием не были и бюргерских культурных ценностей не потребляли Продолжай тупо ржать в обществе себе подобных Мыслить ты не способен Таким, как ты ,место в путинюгенде Не пиши мне
kent684 4 months ago
@kent684 Дорогой мальчик, ты пишешь не мне, ты пишешь на для всех открытой странице в Сети, поэтому мой ответ я посвящаю не столько тебе, сколько всем умным людям, дабы они над тобой посмеялись и развлеклись невзначай.
Скажи, а какая связь между тем, что я писал, и Путиным? Вот причём он здесь? Хотя, конечно, если ты из немцовюгенда, то Путин у тебя всегда и везде и во всём виноват
В любом случае к "югенду" я уже не могу относиться - мне за тридцать давно, так что читай дальше, авось поумнеешь
Heightofhate 4 months ago
@kent684 Скажи, мальчик, а свиней на развалинах храма Св. Софии в Киеве ты лично пас?
В 1596 этот храм перешёл униатам, они, может, и пасли свиней в его дворе, с них станется, но вот руиной он не был точно, так как его в 1385-1390 воссоздал митрополит Киприан.
В 1630 киевский митрополит Пётр отнял храм у униатов и основал в нём мужской монастырь. Думать, что монахи неуважительно относились к своей обители, думаю, наивно, учитывая, что кропотливая реставрация шла аж до 1740.
Heightofhate 4 months ago
@kent684 Бюргеры значит "горожане", а также "граждане" на немецком. Buerger aller Welt: "Граждане всего мира". "Космополит" по-немецки - Weltbuerger, то бишь "гражданин мира"
В русский "мещанин" пришло от польского "mieszczanin", что так же "горожанин" как и на немецком.
Бюргерами в те века были все, кому разрешено было жить в стенах города. Почему эти люди у тебя вдруг сразу стали хуже крестьян,феодалов,наёмников и клира?
Сословие мещан возникло при Екатерине II - как и все сословия вообще!
Heightofhate 4 months ago
@kent684 Если Екатерина II законодательно оформила существование в России сословий своей Жалованной грамотой, то это не значит, что до неё этих сословий не было де-факто - царица лишь закрепила де-юре то, что давно уже было.
В мещан занесли всех посадских, ремесленников и прочих на них похожих.
Но за прибылью гнались не только они - купцы стояли впереди мещан, а уж эти ребята были на Руси всегда и всегда процветали, пока большевички их не переубивали в ходе Гражданской войны.
Heightofhate 4 months ago
@kent684 Мальчик, скажи, что такое "потреблять культурные ценности"?
Скажи, ты сегодня на завтрак сколько культурных ценностей потребил?
Ещё раз, посадские сословием до Екатерины Великой не были просто потому, что никто до неё сословием не был.
Но ремесленник всегда во вся времена везде в мире был по типу человеком одним и тем же
Контролем в средневековье, как и сжиганием на кострах,занималась исключительно католическая церковь.
А крестоносцы сами себе хозяева были, потому жили как хотели.
Heightofhate 4 months ago
@kent684 Ну а насчёт "бюргеров-потребителей западной культуры" мы поржали, спасибо, мы поржали.
Константинопольские купцы, значит, не потребителями были.
А "бюргер" на немецком означает "горожанин". И никаких "бюргеров" во Франции или Италии не было, а их среди крестоносцев было большинство.
"Бюргер" соответствует русскому мещанину, а мещан везде было много. Не знаю, кто из них более потребитель, кто менее.
Скажи, а ты там не поклонник славянского солнцеколоворота или ещё чего там? )))
Heightofhate 4 months ago
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Qongrat 6 months ago
I'm pretty sure Nevsky's helmet is made entirely of win.
Thrawn6211 6 months ago
Are Generals/Commanders really that strong? It seems like any novice soldier can take them out in one hit.
AyrosamaTMNT2 6 months ago
@AyrosamaTMNT2
not as heroic as in the movies, but noblemen in that day trained for their whole life and thus were more experienced. Also they had the best armor available. Swordblows would just glance of it. If the enemy wasn't using smart tactics, a horsed knight in armor equaled about 10 common footsoldiers:)
Guitarvirtuoso666 6 months ago
@Guitarvirtuoso666 oh ok
AyrosamaTMNT2 6 months ago
@Qongrat If you think that is the gentic compostion of Russia you're a retard. The most common haplogroup in Russia is R1a, not turkish haplogroups like J2 or R1b or Finnish haplogroups like N1. R1a is the halogroup shared by Slavs (lower in the balkans but still there) , Russia is Slavic.
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Qongrat 6 months ago
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FOUGHETTHEPAST 6 months ago
what film?
Yorgar 6 months ago
@Qongrat My question is: who are the ethnic Finns in Russia that you speak of? Were they of a similar mix as the Finns in Finland? Where could I read up on the subject? Thanks!
Jaapman 7 months ago
@Qongrat Very interesting info here. Can I ask where one could read up on this subject? Also, one thing I don't fully understand in this context. In Finland itself, according to genetic research, only a small percentage of their ancestry is ancient Finnish stock and the rest is ancient European descent. So the people who brought the Finnish language to Finland were assimilated into the pre-existing population. The Lapps if I understand correctly- are a group that didn't assimilate.
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Qongrat 6 months ago
@Qongrat But many in Novgorod and eastwards must have had some scandinavian origin. When you reed a novel by Vasilij Belov you recognize features like believing in farmgnomes or domevoji, In Sweden we call it "tomte". We also believe that if we see a black cat, we have spit three times over our left shoulder etc. to chase away bad luck..
alarik36 7 months ago
Интересно, последняя фраза немецкого рыцаря о том, что ордену не следует больше полагаться на чужии мечи, подразумевает продолжение о битве на Чудском озере. я думаю именно для этого и был введён сам персонаж немецкого рыцаря. Но вот прошло уже три года, а никаких новостей нет... Кто-нибудь что знает?
NorthernUnion 9 months ago
А почему у князя Александра шлем с лицом Путина?
tanultorosz 9 months ago
@tanultorosz Наверно потому что на гос.деньги фильм делали. )
GospodinRubaka 8 months ago
why aren't those guys wearing helmets? They should get citations, not wearing a helmet in battle is even worse than not wearing a seatbelt while driving.
sinitskyd 9 months ago
1242 - Russian battle!
777dok 10 months ago
So what would be the name (russian or english) of the movie?
svantiii 10 months ago
@Qongrat
There are no Bulgar turks. Bulgar tribes are from Iranian descent. In 13 th century christian Bulgarian kingdom is the most powerful and dominant state in Southeast and Central Europe.
djtvi 10 months ago
@djtvi bulgars are one of the turkic tribes from the Central asia migrated around AD400 and converted to christianity by the local folk. there is no iranian mystery in that.
pinusstrikesback 10 months ago
@pinusstrikesback
Bulgars are mentioned far before 400 ad not only in Central Asia. They are not turkic tribe - this is written in Encyclopedia Britanica, but it is not true. Bulgars are west iranian tribe - together with sarmats, scyths and so on . They are converted in christianity in Southeast Europe by Byzantine empire in 9 AD and other part of Bulgars - near Volga river - are converted in Islam in 10 AD.
djtvi 10 months ago
@djtvi Find some maps of 7-13th century and find Bulgar tribes directly east of Muscovy.
Qongrat 10 months ago
@PernatyZmey Actually, the things I stated come from Moscow universities own research that lasted around six years of the past decade involving Russian archeologists, geneologists and historians
Qongrat 11 months ago
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Qongrat 11 months ago
I like the props and attention to armor, but I really wish movie makers (not picking on just this one, but all movies that involve armored hand to hand fighting) would pay more attention to the science of armor and weapons.
Using a double edged blade to slash a man-at-arms wearing a mail hauberk will not cause any damage, mail was precisely designed to not just resist, but complete deter slashes from bladed weapons. You need to pierce to defeat such armor.
davidrzr 11 months ago
@davidrzr and even then, the royal armouries at leeds has determined that maile will resist even somethrusting weapons, as well as tests on youtube using reproduction swords still failed to decently break through maille, this is even including dedicated thrusters like 15th century swords.
elgostine 9 months ago
lol they fail,,
they cant even make a 360 no scope wall bang
firegiant11 1 year ago
also let me reiterate how incredibly bad the music is, it really ruins the whole battle scene which is actually pretty well done otherwise with what looks like fairly authentic gear etc
that and the horrible dubs for the swedish guys, but that's mostly just funny
blubbson 1 year ago
those helmets the rus had r awesome i mean the one that covers ur face with a metal expressionless face thats made of steel....wouldn want to face a guy in that....
TeKnO2BaEr 1 year ago
For those who doubt slavic might because of constant western propaganda, just keep in mind we own 40% of Europe and have the largest country in the world even alaska useto be ours, we did not own this amount of land by being weak fighters, specially when you are in the center point between asiatic nomads, middle eastern empires and western Europe, Napoleon tried, Hitler tried, the swedes tried, the danes, the teutonic order and all failed. Even the unstopable mongols could not subdue all Rus
rudenko54 1 year ago
That Russian lad was twisting like a bloody ballerina!
Mutedmouth 1 year ago
Okay, that thing the Rus guy did to the Swede on 1:16 was downright impossible, there's no way real riveted mail was gonna be sliced apart like that by what must have been a very weak sword slash. Besides the wound would have been very shallow, nothing that would put down a man on adrenaline.
HaNsWiDjAjA 1 year ago
@HaNsWiDjAjA my friend if you look closely it was a stab in which he than pulled the sword out in a slicing motion but it was really a stab and chain mail is is suseptible to stabbing attacks,
rudenko54 1 year ago
@rudenko54
Not that susceptible, most quality maille should not have given way easily like that, especially to a sword not designed for stabbing in the first place like the one wielded by the Rusky. Plus the maille shouldn't have rent apart like that when he tugged the sword up after the stabbing attack pierced it - if it did went through in the first place.
HaNsWiDjAjA 1 year ago
@HaNsWiDjAjA yes you are right about that, i would have to agree.
rudenko54 1 year ago
@rudenko54 Glad you did
HaNsWiDjAjA 1 year ago
One of the best figth scenes ive ever seen!! why do we see so few ryssian movies??????
MrAkilleus 1 year ago
According to the logic of some of you people, every movie is a propaganda movie.
Vovk3 1 year ago 2
I love russian armour! :)
Klibanophoros 1 year ago 2
Russians (Moscovites) exterminated Novgorod as soon as they had a chance. The director of the movie should have stayed with Novgorod dropping the whole Russian propaganda bullshit talk.
Qongrat 1 year ago
that mask is beast
riceboy287 1 year ago
@riceboy287 movie feels like mount and blade
riceboy287 1 year ago
@turbokurwaagent007 Is not everyone mentioned here human?
norb1937 1 year ago
@norb1937
I am Google Bot 123456.
Vovk3 1 year ago
that russian armor is sweet
log8427 1 year ago
Russian propaganda has no limits.
salesman990 1 year ago
@salesman990 American Hollywood is even worse.
tiraspol17 1 year ago
@salesman990 you say that cause u are not russian, because if u were u would notice that western propagand also has no limit but odcourse u wont see it cause ur a westerner and you think what they taught u in school is the truth and everyone else is just using propaganda. The truth is everyone ueses propaganda without limits.
rudenko54 1 year ago
Where does the movie come from? Do you know the title of this production?
PatrykOpolski 1 year ago
swedes have always been pussies
spartaknumerouno 1 year ago
@spartaknumerouno What do you mean? Vikings are from Scandinavia if you didnt know that.
BIFInvaider 1 month ago
WOW epic russian helmet !!!! with the face
warlight2333 2 years ago
i doubt that any medieval battle would have been fought in such a stupid way
Augenkrampf 2 years ago
@Augenkrampf Boris 2nd of Byzantium discouraged heroics. He just wanted to win, no showing off, and he was prepared to wait 50 years for a result. If you want to google him, he was also known as Basil the Bulgar Slayer.
gamesbok 1 year ago
Stupid Russians/Soviets :-P
Fuck Stalin and soviet propaganda!
Fuck you murderers from NKVD!
bartosz1040 2 years ago
"stupid" russians ans Stalin saved you from Nazis, because ur goverment and army were stupid and could not defend themselfes.
alexfromportland 1 year ago
@bartosz1040 LOL this movie has nothing to do with Soviets/Stalin/NKVD, you dumb pollack asshole.
Fail some less next time.
WolfhoundMercenary 5 months ago
@turbokurwaagent007
yea but my grandma from Lithuania is Polish buy only live there :D
mikze123 2 years ago
my family are from East Poland (today Ukraine) , Center Poland and from Lithuania.
mikze123 2 years ago
@turbokurwaagent007
i have half gray and hald brown eyes and im from Poland ^^
mikze123 2 years ago
@turbokurwaagent007 Stop telling crap. Estonians are not even Indo-Europeans, they are Finnic.
PernatyZmey 2 years ago
@PernatyZmey he is not entirely telling crap genetic studies indicate Lithuanians and Latvians to be closer to Estonians and Finns than to Russians or Poles. Language-wise it is the opposite thought.
Qongrat 1 year ago
@turbokurwaagent007 Im just remarking about how a country can call any lands ancient when It has only existed for 400 years and had the WW1 borders for about 200 years. Austria has german culture, speaks german but its "NOT" ancient German lands for todays Germany. Same thing goes for Russia and Sweden alike. If not, then I coud claim that Finland & Norway Is ancient Swedish lands whitch woudnt make mutch sense at all. Anyone that woud claim the old polish border to be ancient russian Is stupid.
tyskbulle 2 years ago
0:05 PALLET JACK??!!
syberman21 2 years ago
These cowards and weaklings, fought a war 1919-1921 and almost encircled the hole russian army and close to crushing it completely. Thats wy the poles got independence after WW1. Your grandfather has a stick up his ass ^^
tyskbulle 2 years ago
@tyskbulle Cowards because they attacked a country in the middle of a civil war. An underequipped, hungry Russian army drove the Polish occupants all the way out from Kharkov to Warsaw. All the French machine guns and artillery didn't help the cowards. It was only Tukhachevsky's idiocy that saved the Polish semifascist regime until 1939 when they were driven out of ancient Rus lands completely.
PernatyZmey 2 years ago
These lands was never ancient russian lands, it was polish-lithuanian. You Russians have never done anything properly anyway, your still a dictatorship for cryout loud. That you have the stomach to call other nations and people cowards!
tyskbulle 2 years ago
Your only disgrace yourself and your country men, in fact I woud like you to name a historical national pride of yours that dosent involve conquering people or killing your own.
tyskbulle 2 years ago
@tyskbulle There are enough arts, scientific, technological and other achievements of the Russians. I'm not here to fill your education gaps, Polish Nazi.
PernatyZmey 2 years ago 2
Nither Polish nor Nazi, but frankly Rather a polish Nazi then a communist. Educational gaps, oh realy? Im not the one claiming that the geographical area of Poland before ww2 Is "ancient" russian lands now am I? Thats utter national bullshit, I guess you think Ukrania are ancient russian lands aswell now do you? In fact there are hardly anything that can be called ancient lands for Russia. Unless you count 300-400 years as ancient.
tyskbulle 2 years ago
@tyskbulle Yes, you have big educational gaps if names like Chaikovsky, Dostoevsky,Tolstoi or Gagarin don't say you anything and if you claim idiotic things. In history and geography as well. Look on the maps of Kievan Rus, maybe it will open your eyes. Although I have little hope, troll.
PernatyZmey 2 years ago 2
The russians had twice the numbers, a hundred times more cannons, four fortifications, food in their bellys. And yet they came close to loose ^^
I woudnt take pride in Poltava if I was a russian.
tyskbulle 2 years ago
Who is the star of this movie and what is it called
salmon1pwns 2 years ago
АААААА... бл..яяяяя!!!!! не туда написал! пардоне муа!
1hbrecords 2 years ago
Поляки- эт не нация- это сборище содомитов, трусов, и миньетчиков!! За всю историю эти "ЛЮДИ" СОСАЛИ У сильных ненавидели сопротивляющихся. Вы содомиты господа! ( господа в кавычках)
1hbrecords 2 years ago 3
i don't think the russians would have been tht much better at fighting!
300warrior300 2 years ago
Very mutch so, its pointless to argue bravery mixed whit nationalism and sutch. Most old european countrys have had both sucess and disasters on the battle field. Russian infantry have been neglected to be bad fighters, the fact is that they have been the opposite. It has been other factors that made them peform poorly have given them a bad name. Alot of respect should be given to french and russian infantry during WWI, enduring more hardship then the others but still have a bad reputation.
tyskbulle 2 years ago 2
@revanche44
What did i say?
Wofka1986 2 years ago
I like the Russian armor, it looks like a mix of eastern and western armors
Borat911 2 years ago 13
@Borat911 byzantium also known as the byzantine or eastern roman empire also had alot of western armor with eastern features. it is verry unique.
ninja909 11 months ago
yeah kinda weaid that he got to russia so fast when being in inland sweden Hmm move magic
simon9999912 2 years ago
Nevsky's armor is awesome.
hollywoodwerewolf 2 years ago 3
Looks like Polish hussar armor to me, minus wings
krashly71 2 years ago
WHAT?!Hussars used kirys.Bojars have scale armors...
bzyk36 2 years ago 2
truly dont understand this movie, he fights birger jarl in a really epic a la hollowood style battle but In reality Birger wasnt even in the same country at that time :S he was home in sweden taking care of his newborn son
mafre029 2 years ago
that som really bad swedish they talking
mafre029 2 years ago 2
Great Movie......
Tonoba 2 years ago
did anyone else notes that with the helmet Nevsky look like Putin.
Tayvar 2 years ago
wow this movie looks pretty bad. what was the budget like 3 dollars? and the trumpet theme in the back is mediocre. i feel like im at a carnival or renaissance fair rather than the actual battle. overall this is a bad representation of the real battle.
jpawn67 2 years ago
Actually, the battle was fought not on the Neva directly, but a tributary called the IZHORA River.
wowmat 2 years ago
Actually, a behind of Alexander Nevsky were the Mongols. Mongols did not support a direct military aid to Russians for fighting against that Catholicism (German and Teutonic Crusaders), however, Batu khan encourage Nevsky to fight with Germans. Because mongols also have a interest to invade west Europe in that time (1240). It would be a good reason to declare war to Holy Roman empire or Hungarian. Alexander realized a situation that he had nothing to loose, even if he loose in this battle.
modernnomad78 2 years ago
@modernnomad78 The Mongols only interest is to collect taxes and tributes from Russian principalities. As long as the Russians gave what the Mongols want, they are left alone. The Teutonic Knights are a Roman Catholic order of knights. If they conquered Russian lands, they will impose Roman Catholicism on the devout Eastern Orthodox population. Eastern Orthodox Christianity is part of Russia's cultural identity and Alexander Nevsky took arms to defend his people's heritage.
MrLantean 1 year ago
Because it was the clear Mongol would protect his a Vassal country from the others if they cant protect themselves. Fortunately, Alexander Nevsky could won the western invaders. I think this defeat of the Germany by Russians delayed a penetration of Mongol to the west Europe until April 1241.
modernnomad78 2 years ago
Yes thats true, Every Nations have its History and Culture. And things to be proud of.
joonte1010 2 years ago
hehe ok, I didnt know that, Poles often describe themself as the purest of the slavs, and mostly accuse the Russians for being mixed with Mongols, hehe.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Sweden were divided up in three nations during the Viking age and Medieval age too, When Kalmar Union was forged and later when Denmark tried to take controll over it Sweden united under Gustav Vasa and fought its way free from that lousy Union and became the King over Sweden, This was in the 16th Century, Then everything happened Quickly after that.
joonte1010 2 years ago
GuyARandom 2 years ago
Slaget vid Kokonsaari
Skärgårdsslaget vid Palva Sund
Slaget vid Sävar
Anfallet mot Borgå
Sea battles in the great northern war - Victors.
Want more? or are you tired of hearing the truth?
GuyARandom 2 years ago
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And compare them to all the victories Sweden had against Russia. Your soldiers were nothing compared to the better trained ones from Sweden.
Compare all the victories and causulties.
joonte1010 2 years ago
What did u win ? you had the entire baltic sea under control the strongest navy yet russia defeated you with a simple small fleet
yroslav 2 years ago 2
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I`ll bet your NOT reffering to the battle of Svensksund? Russia might have won some naval battles against Sweden, But Sweden has offcourse won most, Just like the landbattles.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Well you did lose a land bettle for a place that today is St. petersberg
yroslav 2 years ago
Sweden lost The great Northern War. And St,Petersburg were built then.
joonte1010 2 years ago
You mean battle of Neva? Majority of soldiers there were not even Russians lol. And you've seen how Russians fought in Poltava.
NecroFrost1990 2 years ago
Poltava? What about Narva? The only thing i know about Poltava is the much larger army the Russians used, But thats not the problem since the Swedish caroleans allways fought and crushed larger armies. But the sorched earth tactic the Russians used, Whiched made the Swedes weaker.
joonte1010 2 years ago
I'm sorry mate, I made a typo, I actually ment Narva. Yes, Russians had bigger armies, but they had less experience so it kinda even them out.
NecroFrost1990 2 years ago
I know that many races are mixed now, Especially Slavic and Germanic. But Sweden are the purest Germanic people among the Germanic nations, Me for an example, I have a heritage in Sweden back to the late Viking age and probably further back in Swedish History, I have ancestors who fought in the wars before.. Germany,Poland,Russia.
The purest Slavic nation i think is Poland?
joonte1010 2 years ago
GuyARandom 2 years ago
I have never said that we were best, But we had the best trained Armies during the Great Northern War, But Sweden was a small Country, We had only 2 million people in Sweden back then, And we did manage to win great Wars and Victories, Conquering new lands. We even had Colonies around the World, Like the one in America, New Delawere.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Battle of Hogland
Battle of Reval
Russo - Swedish war 1788-1790
Russo - Swedish war 1590-1595
Siege of Riga
Battle of Grengam
Siege of Sveaborg
Here comes some 'Swedish especially made for you''
GuyARandom 2 years ago
Slaget vid Ruona
Slaget vid Karstula
Slaget vid Alavo
Skärgårdsslaget vid Sandöström
Slaget vid Piteå
Hattarnas Ryska Krig
Karl X Gustavs Ryska Krig
Stora Ryska Kriget
Viborgska Gatloppet.
Sjöslaget vid Öland
GuyARandom 2 years ago
You as a Russian should know this, Even your Tzar peter said "To fight against Ottomans is one thing.. But to fight against Swedes is another thing" The Swedes where better trained, And had one if not the best trained army in Europe The Caroleans. They marsched straight toward its enemy and halted when they stood 30 meters infront of them, Then they fired a massive volley and then charged against the stunned enemy. That gave many victories on the front.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Sweden lost its power and status as a Great power long before WW2, And why would we have wanted to participate in a war when we didnt have a strong Military? During the Cold war Sweden had a very strong Army, But during WW2 we as many other nations were caught by surprise.. Lucky for us the Germans and hitler liked Sweden and its people, Many of the Generals even had houses in Sweden where they spent their free time on the summers, Not during the war but before.
We are Germanic, Not were.
joonte1010 2 years ago
"To you guys, they're heroes, ok. But to the rest of the world they're fucking unknown. "
This only proves how uneducated you are, Anyone with an interest in History would know who Gustav II Adolf is, he is one of the best knowned Kings in the 17th Century.
joonte1010 2 years ago
The Ottoman Empire was a Backward nation with a lousy Military. They didnt even dare to attack Russia when Sweden destroyed the Russian army at Narva. They didnt interfiere until Charles XII Told the Ottoman Sultan to do it.
The Russian Civilians suffered a lot from that war, Most of the food went to the Russian army and the life for the ordinary peasent in Russia was very lousy. And the Russians didnt take good care of its own citizen, Your sorched earth technieq proves that.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Sweden is not forgotten as a Great Power, We attributed with great Reformations the World later would use, We won and participated in great Wars like the 30 years war. We have Gustav II Adolf, One of the worlds most known Warrior Kings, Even Napoleon read about him to become a greater general.
I really dont give a shit about Estonia and lithuania, They had slavic Names even during the Swedish era in their Country,.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Its a tactic used when your people couldnt defeat its enemy with brute force, Instead you outhungered the enemy.
The Swedes didnt believe in such tactics, And we werent the ones getting invaded, We were the ones invading others.
joonte1010 2 years ago
You should read your History over again, During the Great Northern War only 26-30 000 Swedes lost their life on the battlefield against Poland,Denmark,Shaschen,Russia. While the Russians lost over 100 000 something. The full causulty list over the allies is over 700 000 People, Mostly Russian civilians. So your lack of knowledge about this subject only make yourself look stupid.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Gangut? haha, Nothing compared to one of the Greatest Naval battles in History, The battle at Svensksund and the Swedish Victory over the massive Hordes of Russian fleet.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Sweden invaded Poland and defeated them, And then invaded Saxony. They later marsched towards Russian ukraine and defeated the Russian army at Holowzyn and made its way to Poltava to lure Tzar peter out on the field.
The Army was tired and hungry because of the Sorched earth tecnieq, And the cavallry didnt show up in the battle until later because they were stuck in the swamp.
But i agree with you on one thing, The Poles where braver then the Russians.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Russia were kind of Fucked up even when you had a tzar.. To many poor people and to many poor people without bravery in war.
Russia have just been lucky in History, To not fighting a Strong enemy alone, But with allies. Without thoose allies Russia today might have been splitted into different Nations.
joonte1010 2 years ago
You are the biggest retard on youtube!! ''Russia were kind of fucked up''? Wow, you have room to talk, we kicked your ass in every war! Too many poor people? Aww, that's cute. Lucky in history ? You're seriously a dumb little child, if you were right next to me I would kick your ass, I agree with XShevaX
GuyARandom 2 years ago
This only proves how bad your History knowledge is, Weak Swedes? We defeated your armies time after time, Even when you had a much bigger one! So who is the weaker one here? Sweden fought 4 nations alone during the Great Northern War, We butchered your army at Narva first, Then we invaded and defeated Poland and Denmark and Saxony. Then you used your Cowardly tactic sorched earth tecnieq.. or cowardly and cowardly.. It was apparently the only way for you to defeat Sweden.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Swedish History is rich and powerfull, Just imagin how it would have been if Sweden had as big population as Russia, We would probably had conquered most of Europe.
During the Great Northern War it went 6 Russians on 1 Swede. The Swedes were better trained, Better Moral/Discipline, And more brave. The Russians had bad Moral/Discipline and werent brave at all. THe Russian people isnt made for war. Thats the reason why so many Russians die at war, Just look at Great Northern War, WW2.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Stop right there you retarded ass! Better trained ? well if russians didn't have any training and you did then guess who would win? . Better Moral/Discipline? How do you know that were you born 300 years ago? The russian people ''isn't'' it's ''aren't'' and the russian people are made for war, look at our history and compare it to yours. So many russians die at war? You would never survive operation barbossa idiot!
GuyARandom 2 years ago
Germany lost WW2 because of all the enemies he fought, He fought three wars on three fronts.
If he would have fought Russia without anyother enemies he would probably have won that war.
joonte1010 2 years ago
Battle of Poltava, The Swedish Army faced an 2-3 times bigger enemy. And the Swedish army at Poltava was a Tired and a hungery Army because the Russians had used its "Sorched Earth technieq" Which means that your people burnt down your own villages and took away all food.
joonte1010 2 years ago
You shouldnt call other people Barbarians, Look at your History, Look at Russia today.
joonte1010 2 years ago
And you can compare the moden people of Sweden and Russia, Who is the most barbaric today? The Swedes has developed from its bloody History, The russians are stuck in the medieval age.
joonte1010 2 years ago