to Guro Louelle Liedo-Shihan What are you a "Shihan" at because it certainly isn't Japanese (or any) swordwork.All of your cuts fractured the bamboo at the exit,Dr Christopher Viggiano made more difficult cuts and more cuts than you and only one of them fractured the bamboo on exit(and on a more difficult cut).This is a disgrace for Japanese cutting.The two Chinese guys made good cuts-one with a lighter sword which takes more skill.The Dao is heavier and slower and contd
@gianttrials 'Tenouchi' is the instant of tensing up or "focus" during the cut , not the grip used.Different styles used different grips but only a couple of grips are "correct".The correct grip is determined by human anatomy,not by any paticular style.
I practice nakamura ryu. Btw, well to put it simply i was taught to hold the sword so your palms or at least the webbing between your index and thumb or the bones that run along those two fingers would press the sword thro the cut for more power. If the guy was taught a different way, thats cool too. and if so, i would like to know the physics behind it.
fyi the chinese guy that cut with the katana was holding it wrong thus his cut wasnt as clean or perfect. you are not suppose to grip the handle in a fist like motion
ne how what im more concerned about is his grip (now i may be wrong as the video may not depict in detail his grip on the tsuka) You are suppose to grip the sword with one hand up near the tsuba and near the pummel of the katana. Also the back webbing of your hand between the thumb and index is suppose to wrap around the back of the tsuka while the middle ring and pinky are the fingers gripping the actual tsuka while the index and thumb is in a more relaxed grip
thats how the technique is performed to maximize efficiency the japanese sword guy had to use so much effort taking a big swing the chinese sword cutted the bamboo effortlessly
i said effortlessly as in by examining the motion of the guy in the video n yes i do idolize chinese martial arts but i dun idolize cuz i think its the best art or its more effective than other styles i just idolize it as a way to spread cultural pride
Tell yourself whatever you have to. The fact of the matter is, these people are practiconers of different arts, comparing techniques is stupid if they aren't practicing the same art.
And I said in my earlier comment that I think all arts are equal, too. Either you cannot read or there is another reason you brought to life a 7 month conversation.
No further conversation is needed, all that has been said is more than enough.
did i just said as far as i m concerned all martial art are equal, but the ppl who holdin the sword r not . m i comparing techniques or the ppl who usin techniques
@brian777MC Martial arts are not equal,some are better than others.Some are complete systems and some are just slices or segments of a system(i.e. Judo is only a small part of Jujutsu).
You also have people of vastly different skill levels.The good ones make a mediocre style look good and the poor ones make a great style look bad.The best ones make any style look great
Most Jian I've ever used where often deliberately flimsy as a means of being flexible. I've always wanted a solid one (It just makes more sense to me, personally) however, the Dao (Chinese broad sword) was designed for this kind of stuff. :)
Most Jian today, those which are flexible, are really "sports" jian for exercise. If you look in the museums at those real jian from archeological digs, they're like western type-heavy, non-flexible jian designed to cut through at least leather armour and scale (and the guy underneath).
@SoaShield try learning to use the flexible ones-they still cut just as well(if they are not "wallhangers") if you truly understand the mechanics of cutting.Historical jian came in flexible and stiff varieties.Dao were the same depending on the style and period
You are right...but actually the Jap swords are forged in three pieces of mattle and the blade is very hard... but when I was opposed to a sword fight, I prefer a Chinese big sword to a Japanese one... while for enjoyment, I'd like to keep a Japanese one as a art souvenir!
The jian is also forged in three pieces or sometimes even five. Most of the sword forging techniques were spread through cultural diffusion, that includes folding and differential hardening.
The Japanese swords are really incisive and durable, but they are actually expensive and it's really hard to master the skill of using them...while the Chinese sword is more easy to manipulate....Paradoxically...
Chinese swords (the real ones at least) can be pretty expensive too. A sword by one of the few traditional forgemasters had a going price of 400,000 dollars.
Chinese sword is the king among all kinds of weapons in the world. It is very different from others because it contains a lot of phylosophy which aliens can not understand.
@asawshwb That's funny as the Chinese call the Chinese Spear "king of all weapons".The Japanese call the Sword "king of weapons" and the rest of the world call the Nuclear bomb "king of all weapons".
The existence of aliens has never been proven so I don't see what they have to do with this conversation.
Maybe you are one of those stupid Nationalistic types(Chinese in this case) that believes that you have "secret knowledge" that can't be learned by others. cont
This may be true but only because the teacher is racist and won't teach other peoples.
Check out Bruce Lee's teachings that spanned cultures (and time).
People are people and we all have the capacity to learn.Every culture has exceptional people who can learn more in any given field than others in their culture,it is how they spread it that counts
Those interested in Test Cutting with Chinese Swords might find Great River Taoist Center's Discussion Forum interesting, they have a section just for test cutting, one for Chinese Swordsmanship, Product Reviews, etc...
to Guro Louelle Liedo-Shihan What are you a "Shihan" at because it certainly isn't Japanese (or any) swordwork.All of your cuts fractured the bamboo at the exit,Dr Christopher Viggiano made more difficult cuts and more cuts than you and only one of them fractured the bamboo on exit(and on a more difficult cut).This is a disgrace for Japanese cutting.The two Chinese guys made good cuts-one with a lighter sword which takes more skill.The Dao is heavier and slower and contd
jadekayak01 8 months ago
contd used single handed most of the time and the cuts were great.Maybe you should ask the others to teach you to cut and post a better vid.
jadekayak01 8 months ago
nice blades
trialsrider001 1 year ago
Did you notice that the cuts with the jian & with the dao were cleaner than those by the katana...
ChenQiangJianke 1 year ago
ahaha
centesjosh 2 years ago
for every1 going on about gripping the katana the word ur looking for is 'Tenouchi'
gianttrials 2 years ago
@gianttrials 'Tenouchi' is the instant of tensing up or "focus" during the cut , not the grip used.Different styles used different grips but only a couple of grips are "correct".The correct grip is determined by human anatomy,not by any paticular style.
jadekayak01 8 months ago
I practice nakamura ryu. Btw, well to put it simply i was taught to hold the sword so your palms or at least the webbing between your index and thumb or the bones that run along those two fingers would press the sword thro the cut for more power. If the guy was taught a different way, thats cool too. and if so, i would like to know the physics behind it.
guyver20 2 years ago
fyi the chinese guy that cut with the katana was holding it wrong thus his cut wasnt as clean or perfect. you are not suppose to grip the handle in a fist like motion
guyver20 2 years ago
the guy who was holdin the Katana is Japanese.
brian777MC 2 years ago
ne how what im more concerned about is his grip (now i may be wrong as the video may not depict in detail his grip on the tsuka) You are suppose to grip the sword with one hand up near the tsuba and near the pummel of the katana. Also the back webbing of your hand between the thumb and index is suppose to wrap around the back of the tsuka while the middle ring and pinky are the fingers gripping the actual tsuka while the index and thumb is in a more relaxed grip
guyver20 2 years ago
no way. as far as i know the gripin r different amount styles. so what u mean is that Japanese gripin different from ur style?
brian777MC 2 years ago
@guyver20 This is a perfect explanation of the correct grip
jadekayak01 8 months ago
still there on vacation.
snapywrist 3 years ago
awesome!!!
pablofallenjedi 3 years ago
thats how the technique is performed to maximize efficiency the japanese sword guy had to use so much effort taking a big swing the chinese sword cutted the bamboo effortlessly
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
The reason he swung like that is because it is a two-handed sword.
As far as I am concerned, all martial arts are equal, you seem to try and idolize Chinese martial arts, when in actuality, they were all skilled.
JesusFuckingChrist84 3 years ago
i said effortlessly as in by examining the motion of the guy in the video n yes i do idolize chinese martial arts but i dun idolize cuz i think its the best art or its more effective than other styles i just idolize it as a way to spread cultural pride
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
Hmm...as long as you aren't a martial arts "Fanboy" I am okay. :D
JesusFuckingChrist84 3 years ago
2 other ppl kung fu is just fighting to me kung fu is like my mother n father i am chinese
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
and u seem to try and idolize Japanese martial art. as far as i m concerned all martial art are equal, but the ppl who holdin the sword r not
brian777MC 2 years ago
Tell yourself whatever you have to. The fact of the matter is, these people are practiconers of different arts, comparing techniques is stupid if they aren't practicing the same art.
And I said in my earlier comment that I think all arts are equal, too. Either you cannot read or there is another reason you brought to life a 7 month conversation.
No further conversation is needed, all that has been said is more than enough.
Thank you,
Sal
JesusFuckingChrist84 2 years ago
did i just said as far as i m concerned all martial art are equal, but the ppl who holdin the sword r not . m i comparing techniques or the ppl who usin techniques
brian777MC 2 years ago
@brian777MC Martial arts are not equal,some are better than others.Some are complete systems and some are just slices or segments of a system(i.e. Judo is only a small part of Jujutsu).
You also have people of vastly different skill levels.The good ones make a mediocre style look good and the poor ones make a great style look bad.The best ones make any style look great
jadekayak01 8 months ago
Most Jian I've ever used where often deliberately flimsy as a means of being flexible. I've always wanted a solid one (It just makes more sense to me, personally) however, the Dao (Chinese broad sword) was designed for this kind of stuff. :)
SoaShield 4 years ago
Most Jian today, those which are flexible, are really "sports" jian for exercise. If you look in the museums at those real jian from archeological digs, they're like western type-heavy, non-flexible jian designed to cut through at least leather armour and scale (and the guy underneath).
Pecherin72 4 years ago 9
Ummm western type swords and the Jian was not heavy...
Western swords:
One-handed swords were about 1.5 to 2 lbs Two-handed Swords were about 2.5 to 3.5 lbs
Claymores were about 4 to 5 lbs. Zweihanders are about 5 lbs to 7 lbs the heaviest.
255Knights 3 years ago 2
@SoaShield try learning to use the flexible ones-they still cut just as well(if they are not "wallhangers") if you truly understand the mechanics of cutting.Historical jian came in flexible and stiff varieties.Dao were the same depending on the style and period
jadekayak01 8 months ago
oooh, I love the little tigerish dragonish thing on the Wushu Dao. (shown at 1.20)
H2Zman 4 years ago
You are right...but actually the Jap swords are forged in three pieces of mattle and the blade is very hard... but when I was opposed to a sword fight, I prefer a Chinese big sword to a Japanese one... while for enjoyment, I'd like to keep a Japanese one as a art souvenir!
jasperji 4 years ago
The jian is also forged in three pieces or sometimes even five. Most of the sword forging techniques were spread through cultural diffusion, that includes folding and differential hardening.
woodhobo 4 years ago
The Japanese swords are really incisive and durable, but they are actually expensive and it's really hard to master the skill of using them...while the Chinese sword is more easy to manipulate....Paradoxically...
jasperji 4 years ago 2
Chinese swords (the real ones at least) can be pretty expensive too. A sword by one of the few traditional forgemasters had a going price of 400,000 dollars.
woodhobo 4 years ago
@jasperji japanese sword? u mean the chinese tang dynasty long sword which the japanese refer to as the Katana.
theaviribidityofwtr 1 year ago
Nice to see that Chinese swords are not just for show. Seriously, this vid restored my faith in the efficacy of Chinese swords.
BaiLong45 4 years ago
VERY PROFESSIONAL DONE
johnjylong 4 years ago
at 216 that is my aikido teacher or used to be now his son teaches
tatornoob 4 years ago
Chinese sword is the king among all kinds of weapons in the world. It is very different from others because it contains a lot of phylosophy which aliens can not understand.
asawshwb 4 years ago
The Gentleman's weapon, requires complete internal peace and beautiful flowing movements.
woodhobo 4 years ago
@asawshwb That's funny as the Chinese call the Chinese Spear "king of all weapons".The Japanese call the Sword "king of weapons" and the rest of the world call the Nuclear bomb "king of all weapons".
The existence of aliens has never been proven so I don't see what they have to do with this conversation.
Maybe you are one of those stupid Nationalistic types(Chinese in this case) that believes that you have "secret knowledge" that can't be learned by others. cont
jadekayak01 8 months ago
contd
This may be true but only because the teacher is racist and won't teach other peoples.
Check out Bruce Lee's teachings that spanned cultures (and time).
People are people and we all have the capacity to learn.Every culture has exceptional people who can learn more in any given field than others in their culture,it is how they spread it that counts
jadekayak01 8 months ago
@jadekayak01 except for micronesians haha.
hikitsuzuku 4 months ago
Those interested in Test Cutting with Chinese Swords might find Great River Taoist Center's Discussion Forum interesting, they have a section just for test cutting, one for Chinese Swordsmanship, Product Reviews, etc...
Baihu108 4 years ago
Thanks, that's a very useful resource. You should also check out Scott M. Rodell's cutting on Google Video, lots more Cutting with Jian & Dao.
ChenQiangJianke 4 years ago
Not the flimsy things you see in the movies and at competition demos!
rdmottern 4 years ago
lol, noone said Chinese swords did not cut... Very good video!!! I like the music too!
jazzyslip 4 years ago
Finally, some cred for Chinese swords!
bumgum 5 years ago
For more cutting with Chinese Swords, see Scott Rodell's video at Google Video...
ChenQiangJianke 5 years ago
This just goes to show that Chinese jian swords can be good cutters too!
Camua 5 years ago
Beautifully produced!!!
joetaichi 5 years ago