Outer Streams, George Ivanovitch Gurdjieff Part 2 of 7

[Kristopful]

I'm interested in what these guys have to say about Gurjieff. But to my ears it's all a load of "interlectual waffel". They are rambeling on...as interlectuals do. I get a vivid impression that they understand none of it. Just empty talk. IMO.

[Kristopful]

Practiced Gurdjieffs techniques of (self remembering) & (self observation) with a will which Gurdjiff said:- Must be "super human". If you do not apply this kind of effort, you will achieve nothing. Most of Gurdjieffs students got nothing at all from his techniques. Even Ouspensky achieved only a little higher conciousness experience. If you want real results you must apply incredible efforts. Then you will need guidance from a real group.? It can be done, but try the other ways first. Good luck

[scientistMUC79]

there are schools....the qustion is: are you REALLY interested? are you really searching?

[morseson]

3 brains X 3 applications

knowbots vs creators vs critics

dramatists vs empaths vs realists

doers vs enjoyers vs meditators

Each of the nine is a consciousness,

People habitually align to one in each row.

Awakening from trance requires the discepline to partake the spectrum of each row.

The Goal is to balance with the circumstances appropriately instead of comfortably.

Meaning of Life in a nutshell !  (or was that 43?)

[underthetornado]

I think it's' always interesting to watch people try and define consciousness.

fun isn't it?

[AndyRiotRed]

this particular segment of the program is very significant to me - thanks

[MKAskina]

Very good interview

Being conscious of our thoughts and actions outweighs being merely mechanical anyday.

There are offical Gurdjieff school in most countries today just look them up

[Doderhultarn89]

i dont think a intullectual can ever understand the way of gurdjieff.

[ghahandi]

@Doderhultarn89 Needleman tries~

[Harikrishnalove]

There is nothing to name or wisdom to acieve beside a profesional skill to survive in the world. The sense of life is about to feel and to observe in complete awarness and no attachment. Each person's life experience is impossible to be experience for other than the person herself or himself. I intend to exist, then i exist...but the existence is independent of mine because people die every second and the show of existence must goes on generation by generation. Marlen Arguedas-

[Gnothean]

To approach Gurdjieff one must do so with a broad spectrum of learning. Much of Gurdjieff only becomes apparent when viewed with an eye of diverse comprehension. What that at first is confusing and strange sounding of Gurdjieff's teachings, in time become clear and understandable - given that the would-be knower has made an actual effort to aquire the ability to know, to actually comprehend.

Gurdjieff requires effort on many planes in order to tap into his vast wealth of wisdom.

[PeripheralMan]

Not so. Gurdjieff merely restated some wisdoms, primarily out of context. You only need to read the (much more clearly written) writings of the ancients.

What is confused and strange sounding is just that.... gopher-hole guru-ism.

[deliciousonionsoup]

Actually, just starting to listen to this series it makes immediate sense to me. And I had never heard of Gurdjeff before. This school that this man talks about in this series seems gentle, intelligent and profound. Now I'll continue with listening to this series of 7 videos.

[ghahandi]

so...do you recommend a source...to learn? a school perhaps?

[galleybox]

@ghahandi there are schools,as with any "organised schools" there is a warning!

as bruce lee said "take what is usefull and move on". G had a very good influence on my life,but be carefull not to get bogged down! important thing is to stay awake,be aware.

[ghahandi]

@galleybox One of main obstacles I perceive has to do with Ouspenkys, " In Search of the Miraculous" (Fragments of an Unknown Teaching"). Many people are introduced to Gurdjieff via this book. Many desire the same experiences or level of wakefulness as chronicled by Ouspensky. I believe the G Foundation may be a school where one may need like a crutch after a period of time. G is gone. His teachings remain in 30 flavors~So, I agree.

[Kristopful]

@ghahandi Gurdjieff schools do exist..I have encountered two of them in the UK (have heard of others) personaly. I did not join, for various reasons. Gurdjieff warned about imitation groups, which would come about after he died. I'm not happy with Gurdjieffs warning as he is now dead. How are we to follow his 'Way'.? but I do advise caution, as the two groups I encountered practiced "G's" techniques with very undesirable results.IMO.

[PeripheralMan]

I mean to say that all the "teachings" are false because they are not "teachings" at all. They are glorified imaginings.

There is truth, but not in the practice of Gurdjieff's writings today.

Truth without clarity is functionally false. Even Ouspensky said that.

No, I hold the Gurdjieff teaching as nothing more than mental masturbation.

[Oramireally]

Teaching itself is knowledge, knowledge itself is worthless in the aspect of self transformation.

It can only make conditions for You to make it so.

Teaching which tells you to look into yourself completely cannot be false, only thing false can be youre personality; it is You.

[PeripheralMan]

You are using a Straw Man argument. Simply not worth a response. You also use a little Tu Quo Que to insult me.

I would suggest reading a little logic before applying yourself to this discussion.

You are displaying pseudo-intellectualism. Please get educated before you make an entire ass of yourself.

[Oramireally]

And another thing valuable from its teaching is external considering.

[PeripheralMan]

Enjoy yourself.

[underthetornado]

@Oramireally

You mean self observation?

[9ofSwords]

Which Gurjieffian home were you raised n?

[PeripheralMan]

The "frame of reference" is Gurdjieff's contentions. In other words, the "teachings" become imagined encounters "within". "Crystallization" and "awareness" are married to unattainable goals of "transformation".

As a person raised in a Gurdjieffian home, I can tell you that the "teachings" are false and offer no clarity or truth to the seeker. Listen to what this guy says. It's basic human maturity and basic social human accuity that will "teach" you the same "truths".

[onebobtwo]

thanks for sharing that PeriperalMan.

do you mean to say

all the teachings are false?

i have not found clarity

but

i have found some truth