MESSAGE TO GREEKS-WHY THIS NUMBER 1913 ISNT IN UR HISTORY BOOKS ? DO U KNOW THTA MACEDONIA WAS DIVIDED IN 1913 ? DO U KNOW THAT U TOOK 55% FROM THE LAND ? AND ACORDING TO BUCHAREST AGREEMENT THE LAND MUST BE RETURN AFTER 100 YEARS 1913 - 2013 THATS WHY U GREEKS WANT MACEDONIA TO CHANGE THE NAME ! BUT UNITED MACEDONIA IS HERE U CAN DO NOTHING NOW UR IN BANKOUP ! FALLING IN BLACK HOLE WITH UR LIES TOO ! ALEXANDER MACEDONIAN KING ALWAYS ! IGENEA'S DNA PROOVES THAT TOO ! I KNOW THE TRUTH HURTS U ...
@dShando1 no WAS IS AND WILL BE KING OF ALL WORLD exept your small disrty bastard country of albanians-bulgarians which called fyromonkedonia nobody know u u have only albanian tourist
@charmedgr1234 kk do u know what u say now ? ''no WAS IS AND WILL BE KING OF ALL WORLD'' nice words worshiping macedonian king Alexander which tomb is earthed... sure u want to know the answer ? HIS TOMB IS RIGHT HERE IN MACEDONIA ! WE WILL UNEARTH IS SOON U WILL GET THE PROOF OF WHO WE ARE RIGHT IN UR GAYGREEK FACE ! I WILL SEE UR UGLY SAD FACES THEN U FUCKING GAYGREEKS PROPAGANDA ! ALEXANDER MACEDONIAN KING OF MACEDONIANS AND WHOLE WORLD !
@charmedgr1234 greece will be divided same as macedonia was in 1913,turks will take 20% from u,macedonians will retake 55% aegan macedonia,dagma(ur money)will be back,euros will fall,ur 1 step before bankroup,German support cannot save u,not even all europe.i dont know who will fight without payment before?maybe u or ur parents havent took 2 or 3 months salary. bulgarians spoke macedonian dialect,albanians today are here,tomorow not, but what about ur economy ? what about ur life ?grek life?
@dShando1 wtf? Greece=economic crisis but still is powerful than your bulgarian dirty country E.U. is with Greece and all the world too thats why attract more than 18 million tourist every year and when will be happen all these? WAKE UP the life is too short u have personal life
@charmedgr1234 then why if eu and all the world countryes are on ur side dont make ur economy rise ? why u rape ur governmant everyday,protest before it,fighting the police,why i can go in greece for 150 euros 7 days? for 1 year will be 50 euros 10 days,but u know what,maybe 1 day will be FREE !
@dShando1 Greece is the one of the expencive countries for all europe and maybe u will be die all europe has economy crisis u dont know about E.U. only in your dreams u can be part of e.u. GREECE ALWAYS WILL BE POWERFUL THAN U u have not history u have only albanian and bulgarian blood so many movies and books about greek history and mythologe GREECE =MOST ANCIENT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD
@charmedgr1234 1 country cant live just from tourism(everyone knows that),not all of the countryes got crisis,only greece,portugal,spain and italy,no greece was powerful with allies like bulgarians,serbians and albanians when u divided us,but now even eu cant save u from bankroup.everyone can make MYTH,as ur history is,so ur MYTHS,ur not real,ur only in ur dreams.dont tell me about ur history,because u learn about alexander and his tomb is here.ur FUCKED UP !
@dShando1 ME??? LEARN ABOUT ALEXANDER IS GREEK?? FROM AFRICA TO ASIA AND FROM AMERICA TO EUROPE KNOW THAT ALEXANDER IS GREEK............. if u want war greece will be winner bulgarian rubbish
@charmedgr1234 now from africa to asia and from america to europe will know that alexander is macedonian,notgaygreek, so greece cannot even exit from bankroup and ur talking about war... poor gaygreek,and yes u came from africa,migrated in asia,america, and ur now in europe,u can see ur flag ? know what it means ? U.S.A. Navi Flag .... UR ARTIFICIAL COUNTRY!,learn who gave u aegan macedonia,because u were kids for macedonian in war.I See On TV UR Protesting EveryDay,Fighting ThePolice,GAYGREEKS!
@charmedgr1234 ur not the same greece as i know u before,u got plans to divide again macedonia,u still terror macedonian population in aegan macedonia Lerin,doing military execises just to scary macedonian population that they MUST NOT call them selfs macedonians,and that macedonia is urs,but now thanks to bankroup u can do a SHIT now,so no wars,no genocide,no hate,no dividing, aegan macedonia will connect in peace way where belongs,to Republic Of Macedonia !
@dShando1 Greece still is rich than u u have not money to have crisis........... better live? thats why Greece attract more than 18 million tourist every year,,,,,,,,,,,50 percent big fale gays in greece lol stupid bulgarian rubbish if u want we can destroy u NOBODY KNOW YOUR COUNTRY U ARE NOT EXIST WAKE UP u are so pitty
@charmedgr1234 YEs u will no longer have money to financing aegan macedonia,and other stolen parts SO U HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK OR U FAIL , NO BODDY WILL LIVE IN MISERY ! WAKE UP GAY!
@dShando1 stolen??? gay greece thats mean all fyromonkies are bustrard bulgarian uneducated misery??? the life there is awful Greece attract more than 18 million tourist every year
@charmedgr1234 Guy i dont know how to tell u that ur 1 step before bankroup ur fucking gas,vegetables,fruits oil didnt help u now,so u still in shits,and dont care about me and macedonia,we live good here is no bankroup,u can visit Skopje(Capital Of Macedonia) to see the statue of the great king ALEXANDER,and other macedonian kings,heroes ! Skopje for 2 years will be Metropol City,and no one help us to do that,we are left alone,we still LIVE GOOD WE GOT FRUIT,OIL,VEGETABLES and our aegan part.
@dShando1 what the fuck are you talking about you filthy ape? ur shit country is nothing in front of Greece, now shut the fuck up and go back to your cave, where you came from, filthy albino chimp
@Ex0dusz1990 WHAT U HAVE ??? TELL ME 1 THING THAT IS OKAY IN GREECE?? SURE U WILL SAY GAY,BECAUSE GREECE IS FULL WITH GAYS LIKE YOU AND UR FRIENDS,GAYGREECE DIE IN BANKROUP
Your country is a huge piece of shit. You have contributed NOTHING to this world. Greece created/invented pretty much everything. From huge structures with STUNNING symmetry to the discovery of many great things such as the atom etc etc. Before you talk, check your facts faggot.
Just to remind you, Iron Maiden got over 100 recorded songs, remembering every one of them would be hard regardless of age. And bear in mind that Iron Maiden have (almost) NEVER played this song live (they should however). So they basically recorded it in 1986 and never played it again after, which is kinda tragic to such an epic song.
thean10 they maybe dont play because they know that if play alexander the great in other country they maybe adressed to people the dont know the history of alexander the great on of the bigest general of all ages bigest from many other who know them because they make bigest crimes than alexander who fortunatly dont make these because he had something more than the others....GREEK HEART . I COME TO SAY THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF SERBIA AND IN OTHERS COUNTRIES ..YOU HAVE THE GUTS TO COME HERE? .!.
Sparitos you have probably dark skin...Where from have you ever ask youre self?Becouse youre grandmother was fucking with africans you stupid fuck!!!!!
whoa, Fafronaman, CHILL OUT!!! I dont know where you're from, but I'm sure if we wewnt into your country's history we'd find some stuff you arent too proud of wither. so take it somewhere else. away from the rest of us. K?!
lol Bulgarians , that land is cursed, they betrayed Serbia in 1st World War, their accusations that they are macedons simply disgust me .... that ancient Macedonia was really great, if those Macedons are todays Bulgarians, boy you guys became fucktards...
No problem, mate i strongly suggest you look at Greek history buddy. And then compare it with Slavic history, then you will know what MACEDONIA ACTUALLY IS!
yes you want a hisory lesson...ok you know why all greeks havew dark skin?becouse youre grandmother has been fucked by africans,you moron...and have you heard about san stefan agrement?its will be over after 2 years,so be happy if macedonians dont asked from the world the taken parts from you...you fucking fascists
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I can't seem to find Alexander the Great live with Iron Maiden anywhere on Youtube. I don't understand why not. And for sure they must realise that playing that song in Greece or Macedonia is a must! It's a brilliant song and is about a brilliant personality.
FUCK YOU RETARTED BULGARIANS!!! MACEDONIA IS GREEK LAND. You stupid people say that you are form "Macedonia"??? Pisa kai poupoula gamw thn panagia sas amana
like athens, sparta etc .... nothing can change the history! in all univercities in all books all professors say the truth one trth! Alexander the great was 100% clean greek!
Skopje is a Bulgarian city. Half of Vardarska is Albanian land. Monasteri is a Greek city to the south. You brainwashed Bulgarians in Skopjes are Bulgars not 'Macedonians'. Greeks liberated Greek land called 'Macedonia' that was held by Muslim Asian Turkish Empire called Ottoman empire in 1913! Screw you damn idiots living in Skopje! Your homeland and capital is Sofia, bulagria!
Greece took over Aegyan Macedonia in 1913.that wasnt greek territory before that.Also happened in Tesalia before that.Macedonia will unite some day.Obedineta Makedonija
from where the hell you ve heard that crap dude?you dont know shit about greeks..you are just another piece of crap on the huge pile of crap(i mean your "country"...
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Macedonia forever, Greeks are gypsies, every1 knows that, they don't speak the ancient greek language like the ancient greeks did.. these greeks are nomads from asia and north africa
Britannica online Dorians.Spartans and Macedonians are Dorians originally from north Greece, masters of iron easily dominated bronze age south Greece and the Aegean islands
there is no any country with name macedonia get over it! you dont exist your country was only a tool to push greece in the balkans war and only this but the fault is ours
it ours because we dont shoot one fucking scalp naval in you fucking presidential palace to shout your fucking mouth!
Bruce Dickinson has diploma of HISTORIAN from OXFORD UNIVERSITY, and he will FUCK your Mothers again now on 2 of August! Vardarians you will see your KURVA mothers on stage of the concert of 2 August getting fucked by US and BRUCE DICKINSON! I can't wait to see the concert and sing again all together with Bruce ALEXANDER THE GREAT!
hey people from fyrom come to terra vibe at the 2nd of august and even IRON MAIDEN will tell you if macedonia is greek or not.now go steal some history from another nation.noobs..pame re 2 augoustou.up the irons
At the end of the 19th century the majority in Makedonia were Greeks and Turks. BUT EVEN IF the populaiton of Makedonia was 100% turkish or 100% bulgarian, that wouldnt mean that Makedonia belongs to you. All of you propably think that systematic settlements can justify territorial conquests. This kind of disgusting mentality was common during ottoman times and is still inside the brains of turks, albanians and slavobulgars. See Kosovo and Cyprus.
The Slavs came to the balkans in the 7th cent AC and the regions in the north of Makedonia were the Slavs were, were named SKLAVINIAI and the invasions to more northern regions were ward off by the Byzantines. The slavic element increased during the ottoman occupation because the turkish agads imported slavs for field work.
Census of Hilmi Pasha for the population of Thessaloniki in 1904: Greeks : 362.000 Muslims : 423.500 Bulgarians : 128.000 Jews : 69.200 Serbs : 1.400 --- Census of Hilmi Pasha for the population of european Turkey in 1904: Muslims : 1.823.500 Greeks : 1.619.300 Bulgarians : 455.000 Jews: 151.235 Armenians : 95.350 Serbians : 16.550
A German General [Von Der Golt in "Balkanwirren und ihre grunde" (1904)] who served in Turkey and organised the Turkish Army claimed the following statistics for the two vilaets:
E.M. Cousinery, who served as French consul in Thessaloniki, informs us in his "Voyage dans la Macedoine" (Paris, 1851) that "the BULGARIANS never penetrated into the forests below Mt. Vermion, where the population remained Greek".
The German geographer Leonard D. Schultze, writing of the same area in his "Macedonien Landschafts und Kulturbilder" (Jena, 1927) observes that in terms of language, tradition, cultural affinities, national will and religion the inhabitants of Macedonia are "AS GENUINELY GREEK AS THEIR BROTHERS TO THE SOUTH".
"When the Turks and the Bulgarians left, Macedonia remained a purely Greek region"
-- Henry Morgenthau Serving in Greece between 1925 and 1926 as President of the Committee on Refugees for the Community of Nations; in his book 'I was sent to Athens'.
"In the "Macedonian struggle" that followed,"Macedonian fighters", loyal Greeks who came from MACEDONIA as well as "Free Greece" fought against Bulgarian terrorists and Turkish forces in order to preserve the predominantly Greek character of Macedonia."
So STOP trying stealing our NAME our HISTORY as long as history writes that BEFORE 6TH CENTURY YOU DIDN'T EXIST IN MACEDONIA and you were BULGARIANS and SERBIANS before 1850! That's why your language it's so close with the Bulgarian, only dialect changes! You are Slavic Bulgaro-Serb and NOT Macedonian, you like it or not that's the TRUTH!
And how you can consider yourself as MAKEDON when ALL Ancient Macedonian Inscriptions are written in GREEK and ANCIENT MACEDONIANS were speaking GREEK? When we existed in Macedonia you didn't exist, that's why you are NOT Macedonians and you will NEVER become! You were making after 1850 genocides in Macedonia of REAL MACEDONIANS to vanish them and take it all yours and this thing it's not forgotten!
Same for all Ancient Macedonian names like Alexandros Filippos Makedon are GREEK words with GREEK explanation, all Ancient Macedonians were speaking Greek, and you didn't exist in Macedonia before 6th century! Sorry that's the TRUTH and you don't have proofs to prove anything else! That's why Scientists and Historians teach in all world that ALEXANDER THE GREAT and ANCIENT MACEDONIANS were GREEK tribe! That's why EVEN IN BELGRADE UNIVERSITY teach this (not only Oxford and Harward)
Bulgarians ALWAYS were asking for human rights here, especially in Thessaloniki-Serres-Drama-Kavala and also in Thrace! And they are still talking about Bulgarian Macedonia and about such bullshit! Macedonia and Alexander since 1913? and MY comments make no sense? You're really ridiculus, the ONLY comments make no sense are YOURS! You are trying to change the HISTORY that is PERFECTLY PROVED by HISTORIANS and SCIENTISTS, and ALL the Ancient Macedonian Inscriptions are on GREEK written!
Get serious, Macedonia was ALWAYS Greek! + that on this Slavic population who was living here (in Aegean Macedonia) most of them were BULGARIANS and NOT your population (OK you are Bulgaro-Serbians but you don't want to recognise this but never mind)!
My grandparents are living in Macedonia more than 100 years now, and those are REAL Macedonians! Makedon means TALL in Ancient Greek, how you call yourself "Macedonian" by using GREEK term? You have population 2.000.000 in the whole world, and in Aegean Macedonia 2.500.000 Greeks are living (+2.000.000 in abroad) and Albanians are taking your lands, before 1912 you were ONLY 100.000 in Aegean Macedonia and you're trying to prove that you are "Macedonians" by using GREEK word/term (MAKEDON)?
ed8e i am telling you again, 4.000 = NOT minority! Even Greeks of Monastiri and Gevgeli are MORE! But i don't know why you represent them as "Vlachs" still, as long as they have Greek names/surnames! OK via this logic every tourist here (Tourists are more than 4.000 every day here) are also "minority"! I call Greeks in Aegean Macedonia MACEDONIANS because it's not 80% but 50% the percentage, because my grandmother she is Macedonian born and raised there, same for her mother/grandmother
It's ridiculus 4.000 to considered as "minority", even Greeks of Monastiri Gevgeli Oxrida Pirilepi Stromnitsa are more but you exslavised most of them!
And also European Union 4 days ago agreed that if you want to join European Union you have to agree with us on the name's problem and STOP provocations because such things are NOT giving you the chance for European Union! Only the other woman of the 2nd party can give you the chance of becoming member of NATO and E.U. and NOT Nikola Gruevski! And by the way, stop stealing cars! Gordana Jankulovska stole David Beckham's BMW X5 :D haha :)
And just to know, our government it's not radical like VMRO, if we had some Government like yours, now we would be on WAR 100%! You, if you want to become European, stop Provocations! For us Macedonia it's our Macedonia, Pirin and Vardar Banovina are North Macedonia as long as they are seperated! We won't give our history and our symbols, as we said, geographically determination (like North Macedonia or SlavoMacedonia or New Macedonia) for ALL uses, or VETO!
Greek economic presence in FYROM (That's what we write in the papers of the Greek Business and NOT "Macedonia" as you think) it's just to control you as a country since 1992... You're open also to ALL European Union citizens not only to us, because if you stop just for some country doing this 1) Economically you will destroyed 2) You won't join European Union 100%. About foreign politics, just wait for Obama's victory and you will see his positions totally different than the Jew Bush!
You don't want either as "North Macedonia" or "New Macedonia" or "SlavoMacedonia" to get recognized so your VMRO Ultra-Nationalist government, it's their faulght! As long as they will behave Ultra-Nationalistic, they won't get invitation for NATO and E.U.! You are right that we can come there with our ID's only, about you for needing visa, it's because you are NOT European Union Member! That's not faulght of Greece, European Union decides which one will need visa and not and NOT Greece!
Ancient Macedonians (they were Greek Tribe as all Scientists and Historians says EXCEPT the Jew George Soros) have been mixed with other people, like Ancient Spartans and all Ancient People! It's well known that Alexander the Great was mixing Ancient Macedonians with Persians and other people! And we won't recognize minority here if you don't recognize first Greek minority in Bitola and in Gevgelija from people who have Greek surnames! And the only Macedonia we recognize it's Aegean Macedonia!
The point is for Serbia to Cancel Kosovo's independence, for Greece to solve the Cypriot problem, and about you... As your official government recognize, we own 40% of your economy (Vero Super Market, Cosmofon, Delta Ice Creams, your petrol and lot of other business), and you can't do anything to us! If we take our business from there, till other businessmen from other countries come there, you will be economically destroyed, so you can't do anything else!
I told you, WE WILL SEE... I can't say for now something, i am waiting for Obama's victory first and then things will change! If he doesn't win then you are right! I don't dream personal to take some lands, but i won't also lose anything, i am FULL Member of E.U. and NATO, I am the richest country in Balkans, and i have support of Sarkozi, of Putin (After the treaty of the Gas) and if Obama wins of Obama!
You talk shit as you do all the time...We Greeks (and i personally) don´t try to get more land or to take land from you! You can stay where you are with your never-never-land.But change the name as it was (Vardarska) and don´t say that Alexander is a part of your history! Thats everything....Macedonia, his name and his history belongs to Greeks! Not to slavs! Thats the point of this discussion!
Well what you are thinking and what is historical correct,thats two different sides of a coin.That doesn´t mean that it happens!How about this:The ancient macedonians was greeks.After the romans conquered Ellas,they was ap art of the Eastern roman Empire.After the fall of rome they was a part of the byzantine(greek)Empire.The slavs arrived into this area.They was a minority group into the byzantine Empire.They lived in a peacefully neighbourhood with the greeks...
...then the Ottoman turks came.They conquered the area of Macedonia and the rest of the balcans.The greeks and the slavs was a part of this new ottoman empire.They was it for 300-400 years.Then the balcans started the independence wars against the turks.After this happens we have the picture that we have today.
Remember Macedonia wasn´t a Country or a Empire after the romans conquered it. It was now only a region into different Empires(Roman,Byzantine,Ottoman).After the independence wars it was a part of bulgaria,serbia and greece!Greece tooked the most of the area!Even now you can´t see a country that is called Macedonia,only the Countrys that hold this area!The serbs called the area Vardarska Banovina!Now a slav(Tito) comes after WorldWar2 and named it Macedonia because he wanted parts of Greece...
He (and some brainwashed Skopjan people, like your Patrairch in Skopje) wanted parts of northern greece(Thrace,Epirus,Agäis Macedonia).He wanted a panslavian Empire till the peloponnes!But he hadn´t any success.The rest of his madness is todays FYROM, a polyethnical Fake.Face the true! You have NO connection to ancient macedonia!
We have minorities here (Albanians and Muslims in Thrace) but NOT Slavic minorities! How can 4.000 Slavic get considered as "minority" when 2.500.000 are the REAL Macedonians (Northern Greeks) in Aegean Macedonia? If you take the statistics of Athens Airport, the Tourists every day are even more than your "minority", so via this logic, and our Tourists here they must considered as "minority".
Of course they mixed.But not in high numbers!The bigger minority in this area was always the greek one!I know very well that nobody today can say that he is 100% "real". But that don´t change the fact that FYROM is an slavian country(Into his own definition!).And that after the romans you havent see any country or empire with the name Macedonia!It was only an area with mixed population but most of them was greeks! No matter if they was 100% or 60% greeks.
...The point is that they fell like greeks.But you don´t feel like greeks.You think you are macedonians,but you are purely slavs(serbs,bulgarians and a minority number of albanians and greeks!).And you can´t forget the big and important fact,that it was Tito that gave you this name!And that we hold the biggest part of ancient macedonia(nearly 60% of the area).No matter how many times you try to ignore this,this facts will stand...
because you're totally out of reality even on this subject! But just to know lot of Vardarians know about the Greek-Serbian Brotherhood and even in lot of videos they insult them (go and search "jas te ebam srbija" to see what Komiti's opinion about them), so never mind, you can continue living in your world and let me live in reality as long as i am going to Belgrade and living with Serbs and talking with them every day on internet, and having them as Guests in my house here :)
And by the way, just to inform you that i have Serbian girlfriend, i go very often in Beograd, on Crvena Zvezda games and i know all the leaders of Delije Sever, and on September i will start learning Serbian... So all i have to say is that you have no idea about what you're talking about Serbian Nationalist people! Only this! If you didn't even knew that Greece and Serbia (PEOPLE) are Brothers and that Serbs consider as their REAL Brothers Greeks and Russians, no point of talking with you
Also, why Arkan's children were raising here in JUZNA ATINA and Arkan with Milosevic were dreaming for Greek-Serbian boarders and vanishing you as a land? I knew personal Arkan (i saw him once in my life here in Athens) and i spoke personal with him about such thing, he called you in front of me "gypsys"!
Why in Australia Greeks and Serbs are united and they aren't with you?
Why Delije and Grobari are brothers with Olympiakos and Paok navijac and they put Greek flags and Macedonian Vergina in BLUE on their Tribina? see my profile pictures the links that i have
Also go on StormFront site to see the opinion about the Macedonian conflict! Serbian Nationalists (PEOPLE because politicians "Serb Nationalists" doesn't exist) purely support us on Macedonian and Cypriot problems!
And secondly, there are and others except Gligorov who agreed with him! Why your x Prime Minister got Bulgarian Passport? Why so many people from your country get Bulgarian Passports? If they are PROUD for their "nationality" (here we lauph) then why they get Passports from Bulgaria? To travel in E.U.? That's RIDICULUS 100% and it shows no proudness at all!
And by the way, Kiro Gligorov clearly said "We don't have any connection with Alexander and his Macedonia, we came here on 6 century". My Serbian Nationalist friends they call Skopje town Old Serbia or South Serbia and they said that it was first Serbian Capital!
Firstly, about Serbian Ultra-Nationalists how it can be a joke? I am talking about PEOPLE because i go often in Beograd and i know LOT of Serbian Nationalists (Chetniks or NeoNazis)! What about the pictures of Greek and Serbian Nationalists saluting the Nazi salute and killing together in Srebrenica and dreaming for Greek-Serbian boarders? OK because you have no idea about Serbian Nationalists, i will send you PM with LINKS and PICS!
under Turkish occupation! Government of Vardarska for sure will recognize Kosovo, and you will see this! But that doesn't mean that "Kosovo is Albanian" because USA and CANADA 20 of 27 countries recognized it (+Switzerland and Norway)! Tadic he is a traitor and that's my opinion, he sells Kosovo for E.U., and he brainwashes Serbian people! Nikolic he is Proud, same for Arkan (Arkan was very PRO-GREEK and i explained that i knew him in personal and i'm still in contact with their children)
Anyway also Serbian Politicians (not Milosevic who is NOT alive) will understand their MISTAKE, no matter that it was firstly OUR mistake, for recognizing you in 1996, after you'll recognize "Independent Kosovo" because this is 100% BACKSTAB that you will do! And you're lucky that NIKOLIC is not on Government, otherwise be sure that he would block you from "Free exchanging" and start the visa stuff for you and stop having relationships! But Thanks GOD for you, it's Traitor-Tadic the President!!!
Secondly, i will really STOP talking with you if you tell me that you have NO IDEA about the Greek-Serbian Brotherhood after i'll show you sites-pictures-comments on videos of YouTube and on Delije Sever Tribina the Greek flag and near the Macedonian region flag in Blue! And why i will stop talking with you? Because there's no sense if you have no idea about the Greek-Serbian Brotherhood!
And even Nis people recognise that Nis it's Greek name and Greek colony, go on Wikipedia and read about it (it's written by SERBS). I don't say that "Nis is Greek" but in deep past it was Greek colony as NISLIJE recognise! Read on Wikipedia about the name and history of Nis! If you existed all this times in Ancient Macedonia, it would be your colony, and in the gates of Alexandria it would be written in Cyrillic, and the inscriptions on Philip's grave it wouldn't be in Greek!
So... As countries recognise you as "Macedonia", as you will recognise Kosovo as a country soon, the same thing, POLITIC SHITS and benefits! It doesn't mean that because USA CANADA AUSTRALIA recognised "Independent Kosovo" that Kosovo it's Albanian! Kosovo JE SRCE SRBIJE and that's it! Same for Macedonia! And just to know, Even on Serbian University of History, Professor Tomasevic teaches about Alexander and Ancient Macedonians as Greek Tribe! Same for National Geographic of Serbia!
As long as i pass from your highway to go to Beograd, and i see your people, i see poor unhappy people, brainwashed... I had 4 times girlfriend from there (on holidays), one from Kisela Voda in Skopje, some other from Prilep, 1 from Gevgelija and 1 from Bitola! As a characters they had nothing to do with your Ultra-Nationalists that you have on internet and on Protests, they were very good girls
And don't tell me about 1992, Russia when America was against Greece always supported us (like for Cyprus), and now after the treaty for the gas between Greece and Russia even more! And Albanians much easier will get lands from you! In North Epirus, in town Himara which is now under Albanian occupation, it has GREEK Major! You know this? Go on Wikipedia and see it if you don't believe! Things are not so easy as you think that they are! And for the end (next post i will write)
Firstly, Greece is FULL Member of E.U. and NATO, we are the richest country in Balkans, we have much stronger Army than their army as the British S.A.S. (Special Forces of England) recognise that Greek Special Forces are on the top 5 of this world. Secondly, U.S.A. now is changing, IF Obama will win, you have to go and read, he is VERY pro-Greek! Thirdly, Euro coin is STRONGER now than Dollar so very soon U.S.A. won't be power! Forthly, Putin and Russia support NOW full Greece!
And me, as being Greek i am PRO-SERB because Serbs are REAL Brothers of us, Arkan and Milosevic were dreaming about Greek-Serbian boarders (And that's why Arkan's children the one he has with Natalija Martinovic were raising here and they speak perfect Greek, now they are in USA)! Serbs lost Kosovo thanks to fuckin Tito long time ago, but just to know, Albanians to get EPIRUS (Chamerja as they call it) they can't for lot of reasons that i will explain on next post of mine
First of all, PEOPLE are Brothers not the Politicians, secondly, they did this because our STUPID politicians made a big mistake... When your existance started in 1992 Milosevic came here and asked to send both of us armies there and seperate the land to make the Greek-Serbian boarders! Then our Prime Minister went to E.U. and said that he is a criminal Milosevic, and that's why he recognized you in 1996, so well done from him as long as we have stupid traitor and UNTHANKFULL politicians!
ed8e in Vardar Macedonia there are 75.000 Greeks living there but you represent them as "Vlachs". In Monastiri (Bitola) and Geugeli mostly are! Secondly, if you say about Wikipedia, go and check about Ancient Macedonia there! Thirdly, don't talk shit about Albanians in your place that they are only 15% you know that it's not real! I've been in Skopje, all North Part looks like Saudi Arabia (where Hotel Arka is), all Tetovo-Gostivar and slowly slowly Kumanovo also the same! You know that!
/watch?v=KLfPoaQIeKM OK here you are about some Greek who was born and raised in Bitola! I really can't understand how they have Greek names/surnames and you recognise them as Vlachs! And here is his interview! He says "We Greeks of FYROM are forgotten and ignored by Greek Government"
Well Notios it don´t make any sence to talk with this guy because he ignore historical facts and he gafe us a false picture of his fake-country! He comes everytime with the same propagandistic arguments about his slavic fake country.He talks about things that he didn´t believe by himself!
The main problem is that you steal the Greek history... The territory was and will be greek forever!You fucking idiot!Greeks always was there.Your people wasn´t!Check Slavic peoples and Dorians in Wikipedia!DO IT! And don´t talk about things that happens 2000 years after Alexander!This is Greek history"
What the fuck are you talking? MAN ONCE AND FOR ALL I TALK ABOUT THE FUCKING HISTORY OF MACEDONIA! Not about your slavic madness! Now answer me this simple question: Are you slav? Yes or No? If you are slav you have absolutely no connection to Alexander the great! No connection with the true Hellenic Macedonia! You try to change the history but it doesn´t works! Alexander and Macedonia are Greek! NOT SLAVIAN!
Your original name(before Tito): Vardarska Banovina.
Your todays country: A big Albano-Slavian-Fake.
As i said in one comment before, i give you 10 years and you gonna start a civil war. Then we will have a second Kosovo, and your Fake-Macedonia will be dead!
The greeks was always there...No matter if it was 2000 years before or now! They was there during the ancient times, during the dark age (Byzantine Empire was Greek,too) until now! The greeks always was the big minority in this area! No matter who did control it! And the Slavic Expansion HAPPENED! You can´t ignore this immense Fact that you are slav! "Slav = Not Macedonian". Even your own patriarch in skopje says that you are slavs a few weeks before! He wants thessaloniki. MOLON LABE!
First of all, Ancient Macedonians same for Ancient Cretians Ancient Spartans Ancient Athenians, everyone are mixed! Same for ALL nations! Slavs came in Macedonia in 640 after Jesus's born, and Greeks there were ALWAYS there! About Monastiri (Bitola) now, my KUMA (Godmother) was born and raised there, she is GREEK (Macedonian - Northern Greek) 100%! My mother she is 100% Macedonian born and raised in Axinos of Serres, and my deda-baba are living there their grandparents from the times that it was
MESSAGE TO GREEKS-WHY THIS NUMBER 1913 ISNT IN UR HISTORY BOOKS ? DO U KNOW THTA MACEDONIA WAS DIVIDED IN 1913 ? DO U KNOW THAT U TOOK 55% FROM THE LAND ? AND ACORDING TO BUCHAREST AGREEMENT THE LAND MUST BE RETURN AFTER 100 YEARS 1913 - 2013 THATS WHY U GREEKS WANT MACEDONIA TO CHANGE THE NAME ! BUT UNITED MACEDONIA IS HERE U CAN DO NOTHING NOW UR IN BANKOUP ! FALLING IN BLACK HOLE WITH UR LIES TOO ! ALEXANDER MACEDONIAN KING ALWAYS ! IGENEA'S DNA PROOVES THAT TOO ! I KNOW THE TRUTH HURTS U ...
dShando1 6 months ago
@dShando1 if u want united macedonia come and take it
charmedgr1234 6 months ago
@charmedgr1234 I got question for u, IS ALEXANDER THE GREAT KING OF ALL GREEKS ?
dShando1 6 months ago
@dShando1 no WAS IS AND WILL BE KING OF ALL WORLD exept your small disrty bastard country of albanians-bulgarians which called fyromonkedonia nobody know u u have only albanian tourist
charmedgr1234 6 months ago
@charmedgr1234 kk do u know what u say now ? ''no WAS IS AND WILL BE KING OF ALL WORLD'' nice words worshiping macedonian king Alexander which tomb is earthed... sure u want to know the answer ? HIS TOMB IS RIGHT HERE IN MACEDONIA ! WE WILL UNEARTH IS SOON U WILL GET THE PROOF OF WHO WE ARE RIGHT IN UR GAYGREEK FACE ! I WILL SEE UR UGLY SAD FACES THEN U FUCKING GAYGREEKS PROPAGANDA ! ALEXANDER MACEDONIAN KING OF MACEDONIANS AND WHOLE WORLD !
dShando1 6 months ago
@dShando1 ok i waiting for this........... if u want united macedonia come and take it not only with blah blah blah blah blah........... ΜΩΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ.
charmedgr1234 6 months ago
@charmedgr1234 greece will be divided same as macedonia was in 1913,turks will take 20% from u,macedonians will retake 55% aegan macedonia,dagma(ur money)will be back,euros will fall,ur 1 step before bankroup,German support cannot save u,not even all europe.i dont know who will fight without payment before?maybe u or ur parents havent took 2 or 3 months salary. bulgarians spoke macedonian dialect,albanians today are here,tomorow not, but what about ur economy ? what about ur life ?grek life?
dShando1 6 months ago
@dShando1 wtf? Greece=economic crisis but still is powerful than your bulgarian dirty country E.U. is with Greece and all the world too thats why attract more than 18 million tourist every year and when will be happen all these? WAKE UP the life is too short u have personal life
charmedgr1234 6 months ago
@charmedgr1234 then why if eu and all the world countryes are on ur side dont make ur economy rise ? why u rape ur governmant everyday,protest before it,fighting the police,why i can go in greece for 150 euros 7 days? for 1 year will be 50 euros 10 days,but u know what,maybe 1 day will be FREE !
dShando1 6 months ago
@dShando1 Greece is the one of the expencive countries for all europe and maybe u will be die all europe has economy crisis u dont know about E.U. only in your dreams u can be part of e.u. GREECE ALWAYS WILL BE POWERFUL THAN U u have not history u have only albanian and bulgarian blood so many movies and books about greek history and mythologe GREECE =MOST ANCIENT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD
charmedgr1234 6 months ago
@charmedgr1234 1 country cant live just from tourism(everyone knows that),not all of the countryes got crisis,only greece,portugal,spain and italy,no greece was powerful with allies like bulgarians,serbians and albanians when u divided us,but now even eu cant save u from bankroup.everyone can make MYTH,as ur history is,so ur MYTHS,ur not real,ur only in ur dreams.dont tell me about ur history,because u learn about alexander and his tomb is here.ur FUCKED UP !
dShando1 6 months ago
@dShando1 ME??? LEARN ABOUT ALEXANDER IS GREEK?? FROM AFRICA TO ASIA AND FROM AMERICA TO EUROPE KNOW THAT ALEXANDER IS GREEK............. if u want war greece will be winner bulgarian rubbish
charmedgr1234 6 months ago
@charmedgr1234 now from africa to asia and from america to europe will know that alexander is macedonian,notgaygreek, so greece cannot even exit from bankroup and ur talking about war... poor gaygreek,and yes u came from africa,migrated in asia,america, and ur now in europe,u can see ur flag ? know what it means ? U.S.A. Navi Flag .... UR ARTIFICIAL COUNTRY!,learn who gave u aegan macedonia,because u were kids for macedonian in war.I See On TV UR Protesting EveryDay,Fighting ThePolice,GAYGREEKS!
dShando1 6 months ago
@dShando1 LOL nothing more u are pitty
charmedgr1234 6 months ago
@charmedgr1234 ur not the same greece as i know u before,u got plans to divide again macedonia,u still terror macedonian population in aegan macedonia Lerin,doing military execises just to scary macedonian population that they MUST NOT call them selfs macedonians,and that macedonia is urs,but now thanks to bankroup u can do a SHIT now,so no wars,no genocide,no hate,no dividing, aegan macedonia will connect in peace way where belongs,to Republic Of Macedonia !
dShando1 6 months ago
@dShando1 u need doctor macedonia is one and it is greek like it or not. i cant imagine life in skopje.
charmedgr1234 6 months ago
@charmedgr1234 u cant because we live better,ur ecnomy sucks as ur future. retard greek maybe u need doctor ? 50%gays in greece.assholes
dShando1 6 months ago
@dShando1 Greece still is rich than u u have not money to have crisis........... better live? thats why Greece attract more than 18 million tourist every year,,,,,,,,,,,50 percent big fale gays in greece lol stupid bulgarian rubbish if u want we can destroy u NOBODY KNOW YOUR COUNTRY U ARE NOT EXIST WAKE UP u are so pitty
charmedgr1234 6 months ago
@charmedgr1234 YEs u will no longer have money to financing aegan macedonia,and other stolen parts SO U HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK OR U FAIL , NO BODDY WILL LIVE IN MISERY ! WAKE UP GAY!
dShando1 6 months ago
@dShando1 stolen??? gay greece thats mean all fyromonkies are bustrard bulgarian uneducated misery??? the life there is awful Greece attract more than 18 million tourist every year
charmedgr1234 6 months ago
@charmedgr1234 RETARD U DONT ANYTHING WHAT U DO IN THE PAST,SO SHUT UP!U CAN LIVE ONLY FROM TOURISM ASSHOLE!
dShando1 6 months ago
@dShando1 and oil saffron fruits and vegeatables and ionian sea has gas so 2 years this can help and u how can u live?
charmedgr1234 6 months ago
@charmedgr1234 Guy i dont know how to tell u that ur 1 step before bankroup ur fucking gas,vegetables,fruits oil didnt help u now,so u still in shits,and dont care about me and macedonia,we live good here is no bankroup,u can visit Skopje(Capital Of Macedonia) to see the statue of the great king ALEXANDER,and other macedonian kings,heroes ! Skopje for 2 years will be Metropol City,and no one help us to do that,we are left alone,we still LIVE GOOD WE GOT FRUIT,OIL,VEGETABLES and our aegan part.
dShando1 6 months ago
@dShando1 ok
charmedgr1234 6 months ago
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Ex0dusz1990 3 months ago
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@dShando1 what the fuck are you talking about you filthy ape? ur shit country is nothing in front of Greece, now shut the fuck up and go back to your cave, where you came from, filthy albino chimp
Ex0dusz1990 3 months ago
@Ex0dusz1990 WHAT U HAVE ??? TELL ME 1 THING THAT IS OKAY IN GREECE?? SURE U WILL SAY GAY,BECAUSE GREECE IS FULL WITH GAYS LIKE YOU AND UR FRIENDS,GAYGREECE DIE IN BANKROUP
EVERSHANDO 3 months ago
@EVERSHANDO Your grammar is awful FYI
Your country is a huge piece of shit. You have contributed NOTHING to this world. Greece created/invented pretty much everything. From huge structures with STUNNING symmetry to the discovery of many great things such as the atom etc etc. Before you talk, check your facts faggot.
Now fuck off spastic.
Ex0dusz1990 3 months ago
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alex27o578 7 months ago
an kai fanatikos tous mas exoun prixei olo kapos to tragoudane kai sto telos den to paizoun...aei sta diala pia
mousikos123 10 months ago
They need to play Alexander the Great live. One of their best songs.
crashin1 11 months ago
I laughed so hard when bruce said o we forgot it IRON MAIDEN!!!!!
TheEdforce1 1 year ago
MACEDONIA IS GREEK YOU UNEDUCATED IDIOT!!
19BlondeDoDo 1 year ago 2
MACEDONIA FOR MACEDONIANS
NOT FOR ALBANIANS NOT FOR SERBS NOT FOR GREEKS NOT FOR BULGARIAN
FU*K U ALL
MACEDONIA 4EVER
993tonka 1 year ago
@993tonka i agree,,macedonia to macedonians,,tou are not macedonians greek people of north greece are macednonians!
4juventinos 7 months ago
MACEDONIA FOREVER GREEK!!!!!!!!!!!
EnforcerAnderson 1 year ago 4
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IronMaidenForLife93 1 year ago
LOL, they don't play it cause they're old and forgot it, learning new things is very diffidulyt for old people, epsecially as old as Maiden ;)
spyretto 1 year ago
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@spyretto
Just to remind you, Iron Maiden got over 100 recorded songs, remembering every one of them would be hard regardless of age. And bear in mind that Iron Maiden have (almost) NEVER played this song live (they should however). So they basically recorded it in 1986 and never played it again after, which is kinda tragic to such an epic song.
IronMaidenForLife93 1 year ago
kapou ekei hmoun kai gw...
UP THE IRONS....GREETINGS FROM GREECE...
tendersurrender13 1 year ago
lol that sucks
cjf799 1 year ago
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Alexander, (in Greek : Αλέξανδρος = Αλεκ + ανδρας ), the one who protects his men
Macedonia, (in Greek: Μακεδονία, Μακεδνός = λεβεντόκορμος), the land were men have strong torso
Philipus , (in Greek: Φίλιππος= Φίλος + ίππος), the man who likes horses
What do these words mean in Skopjian (Slavian) language?????
History distortion is a fallacy. Pseudomacedonians will meet their Nemesis. History shall punish them
TheSitzoune5 1 year ago 3
i'm from macedonia and i know that macedonia is GREEK
fucker535 1 year ago 8
thean10 they maybe dont play because they know that if play alexander the great in other country they maybe adressed to people the dont know the history of alexander the great on of the bigest general of all ages bigest from many other who know them because they make bigest crimes than alexander who fortunatly dont make these because he had something more than the others....GREEK HEART . I COME TO SAY THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF SERBIA AND IN OTHERS COUNTRIES ..YOU HAVE THE GUTS TO COME HERE? .!.
drBip 1 year ago
H MAKEDONIA EINAI ELLHNIKH GAMW TIS MANES SAS POUTANES SKOPIANOI...!!!!!! 9A SAS SFA3OUME OLOUS RE MOUNIAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
SKATA STO TAFO THS MANAS SAS....
userantifa 1 year ago 7
@userantifa swstos rr file na tous gamisoume ta spitia
gh5gh5gh5jordankos 1 year ago
Sparitos you have probably dark skin...Where from have you ever ask youre self?Becouse youre grandmother was fucking with africans you stupid fuck!!!!!
janemate1 1 year ago
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They've played alexander the great bro
spirara1 1 year ago
They've played alexander the great bro
spirara1 1 year ago
UP THE IRONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
spirara1 1 year ago
whoa, Fafronaman, CHILL OUT!!! I dont know where you're from, but I'm sure if we wewnt into your country's history we'd find some stuff you arent too proud of wither. so take it somewhere else. away from the rest of us. K?!
GOFFYTIME 1 year ago
lol Bulgarians , that land is cursed, they betrayed Serbia in 1st World War, their accusations that they are macedons simply disgust me .... that ancient Macedonia was really great, if those Macedons are todays Bulgarians, boy you guys became fucktards...
Fafarona94 1 year ago
up the ironsssssssss!!!! hmoun mesa!!
Cissemania13 1 year ago
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HAh so Greece even guys from Maiden knows the truth abouth Alexander and Macedonia...Greece is not Macedonia and Macedonia is not Greece...
janemate1 2 years ago
Moron you missed the opening lines - Near to the east in a part of ancient Greece...LISTEN TO THE SONG alexander the great you knucklhead slav
dionf85 2 years ago 6
yes its true abouth the song my mistake sorry
janemate1 1 year ago
@janemate1 Okay, but just don't make random assumptions on stuff like this without any proof.
IScorchUKI 1 year ago
No problem, mate i strongly suggest you look at Greek history buddy. And then compare it with Slavic history, then you will know what MACEDONIA ACTUALLY IS!
dionf85 1 year ago
@janemate1 Learn your history, dipshit.
IScorchUKI 1 year ago
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yes you want a hisory lesson...ok you know why all greeks havew dark skin?becouse youre grandmother has been fucked by africans,you moron...and have you heard about san stefan agrement?its will be over after 2 years,so be happy if macedonians dont asked from the world the taken parts from you...you fucking fascists
janemate1 1 year ago
@janemate1 that's right man
aceto1900 1 year ago
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I can't seem to find Alexander the Great live with Iron Maiden anywhere on Youtube. I don't understand why not. And for sure they must realise that playing that song in Greece or Macedonia is a must! It's a brilliant song and is about a brilliant personality.
Latgoz 2 years ago
Greek is MACEDONIAN land!!!!
sedavijebem 2 years ago 9
FUCK YOU RETARTED BULGARIANS!!! MACEDONIA IS GREEK LAND. You stupid people say that you are form "Macedonia"??? Pisa kai poupoula gamw thn panagia sas amana
Av3nGinGAnGeL 2 years ago 10
gamw thn pgdm sas re mpastardia!!!!
sourouklimes 2 years ago 15
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Macedonia was is and always will be only greek!
Never slavic!!
Macedonia was a ancient greek kingdom
like athens, sparta etc .... nothing can change the history! in all univercities in all books all professors say the truth one trth! Alexander the great was 100% clean greek!
pliktrasgr 2 years ago 5
auta einai
Bafos102 2 years ago 5
I don't understand why they don't play alexander the great live. They could play it at least in Greece.
Thean10 3 years ago 68
They should play it during every show they do.
Krysztau 2 years ago 20
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Thean10 2 years ago
UP THE IRONS!!!!!!
Maestro123790 3 years ago 18
Skopje is a Bulgarian city. Half of Vardarska is Albanian land. Monasteri is a Greek city to the south. You brainwashed Bulgarians in Skopjes are Bulgars not 'Macedonians'. Greeks liberated Greek land called 'Macedonia' that was held by Muslim Asian Turkish Empire called Ottoman empire in 1913! Screw you damn idiots living in Skopje! Your homeland and capital is Sofia, bulagria!
Spartios 3 years ago 51
@Spartios and your mother is fuckin' bitch
aceto1900 1 year ago
gamw thn p.g.d.m moy mesa!
kodolation 3 years ago 13
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Greece took over Aegyan Macedonia in 1913.that wasnt greek territory before that.Also happened in Tesalia before that.Macedonia will unite some day.Obedineta Makedonija
malinkastip 3 years ago
from where the hell you ve heard that crap dude?you dont know shit about greeks..you are just another piece of crap on the huge pile of crap(i mean your "country"...
danakasg 3 years ago
Etsi!Pesta! K polu kalo to video!!!
darkmantia 3 years ago
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You are right. Само напред! Не им давај збор на грците :D
Asphyxiation000 3 years ago
Asphyxiation000!!! Learn some history you fucking ape...!!!
Makedonia is Greek - Kossovo is Serbian
demihno 3 years ago 8
that was a cruel joke
Brighter7676 3 years ago
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Macedonia forever, Greeks are gypsies, every1 knows that, they don't speak the ancient greek language like the ancient greeks did.. these greeks are nomads from asia and north africa
Asphyxiation000 3 years ago
learn history you ashole
kodolation 3 years ago 3
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Britannica online Dorians.Spartans and Macedonians are Dorians originally from north Greece, masters of iron easily dominated bronze age south Greece and the Aegean islands
georgeosgr 3 years ago 5
gamw tin panagia sas etsi kai ksanapeite gia xwra makedonia palio poustides.zitw oi maiden kai i ellas
nichlis 3 years ago 7
there is no any country with name macedonia get over it! you dont exist your country was only a tool to push greece in the balkans war and only this but the fault is ours
it ours because we dont shoot one fucking scalp naval in you fucking presidential palace to shout your fucking mouth!
GIANNHSPEIRAIAS 3 years ago 10
Bruce Dickinson has diploma of HISTORIAN from OXFORD UNIVERSITY, and he will FUCK your Mothers again now on 2 of August! Vardarians you will see your KURVA mothers on stage of the concert of 2 August getting fucked by US and BRUCE DICKINSON! I can't wait to see the concert and sing again all together with Bruce ALEXANDER THE GREAT!
Notios 3 years ago 6
hey people from fyrom come to terra vibe at the 2nd of august and even IRON MAIDEN will tell you if macedonia is greek or not.now go steal some history from another nation.noobs..pame re 2 augoustou.up the irons
ironbloodymaiden7 3 years ago 4
At the end of the 19th century the majority in Makedonia were Greeks and Turks. BUT EVEN IF the populaiton of Makedonia was 100% turkish or 100% bulgarian, that wouldnt mean that Makedonia belongs to you. All of you propably think that systematic settlements can justify territorial conquests. This kind of disgusting mentality was common during ottoman times and is still inside the brains of turks, albanians and slavobulgars. See Kosovo and Cyprus.
OrphicHymn 3 years ago
The Slavs came to the balkans in the 7th cent AC and the regions in the north of Makedonia were the Slavs were, were named SKLAVINIAI and the invasions to more northern regions were ward off by the Byzantines. The slavic element increased during the ottoman occupation because the turkish agads imported slavs for field work.
OrphicHymn 3 years ago 2
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its what the greeks do today aswell , we import them for field work
Estelady 3 years ago
OrphicHymn 3 years ago
Census for the population of Makedonia in 1912:
Greeks: 513.000 (42,6%)
Muslims: 475.000 (39,4%)
Bulgarians: 119.000 (9,9%)
Various: 98.000 (8,1%)
Census of 1920:
Greeks: 579.000
Muslims: 448.000
Bulgarians: 104.000
Various: 91.000
OrphicHymn 3 years ago
An Italian, Amadore Virgili, in "La questiona roma rumeliota"
(1907, page 107) gave the following statistics for the population
of the two vilaets of Thessaloniki and Monastirion.
Thess:Greeks 362,000, Turks 423,500, Bulgars 198,000, Serbs 1400
Monast:Greeks 280,000, Turks 223,000, Bulgars 143,000, Serbs 6070
OrphicHymn 3 years ago
A German General [Von Der Golt in "Balkanwirren und ihre grunde" (1904)] who served in Turkey and organised the Turkish Army claimed the following statistics for the two vilaets:
Muslims 730,000, Greeks 580,000, Bulgars 266,000, Serbs 19,000.
OrphicHymn 3 years ago
E.M. Cousinery, who served as French consul in Thessaloniki, informs us in his "Voyage dans la Macedoine" (Paris, 1851) that "the BULGARIANS never penetrated into the forests below Mt. Vermion, where the population remained Greek".
OrphicHymn 3 years ago
The German geographer Leonard D. Schultze, writing of the same area in his "Macedonien Landschafts und Kulturbilder" (Jena, 1927) observes that in terms of language, tradition, cultural affinities, national will and religion the inhabitants of Macedonia are "AS GENUINELY GREEK AS THEIR BROTHERS TO THE SOUTH".
OrphicHymn 3 years ago
"When the Turks and the Bulgarians left, Macedonia remained a purely Greek region"
-- Henry Morgenthau Serving in Greece between 1925 and 1926 as President of the Committee on Refugees for the Community of Nations; in his book 'I was sent to Athens'.
OrphicHymn 3 years ago
"In the "Macedonian struggle" that followed,"Macedonian fighters", loyal Greeks who came from MACEDONIA as well as "Free Greece" fought against Bulgarian terrorists and Turkish forces in order to preserve the predominantly Greek character of Macedonia."
The Macedonian Conflict. Lorin Danforth
OrphicHymn 3 years ago
So STOP trying stealing our NAME our HISTORY as long as history writes that BEFORE 6TH CENTURY YOU DIDN'T EXIST IN MACEDONIA and you were BULGARIANS and SERBIANS before 1850! That's why your language it's so close with the Bulgarian, only dialect changes! You are Slavic Bulgaro-Serb and NOT Macedonian, you like it or not that's the TRUTH!
Notios 3 years ago 3
And how you can consider yourself as MAKEDON when ALL Ancient Macedonian Inscriptions are written in GREEK and ANCIENT MACEDONIANS were speaking GREEK? When we existed in Macedonia you didn't exist, that's why you are NOT Macedonians and you will NEVER become! You were making after 1850 genocides in Macedonia of REAL MACEDONIANS to vanish them and take it all yours and this thing it's not forgotten!
Notios 3 years ago
Same for all Ancient Macedonian names like Alexandros Filippos Makedon are GREEK words with GREEK explanation, all Ancient Macedonians were speaking Greek, and you didn't exist in Macedonia before 6th century! Sorry that's the TRUTH and you don't have proofs to prove anything else! That's why Scientists and Historians teach in all world that ALEXANDER THE GREAT and ANCIENT MACEDONIANS were GREEK tribe! That's why EVEN IN BELGRADE UNIVERSITY teach this (not only Oxford and Harward)
Notios 3 years ago
Bulgarians ALWAYS were asking for human rights here, especially in Thessaloniki-Serres-Drama-Kavala and also in Thrace! And they are still talking about Bulgarian Macedonia and about such bullshit! Macedonia and Alexander since 1913? and MY comments make no sense? You're really ridiculus, the ONLY comments make no sense are YOURS! You are trying to change the HISTORY that is PERFECTLY PROVED by HISTORIANS and SCIENTISTS, and ALL the Ancient Macedonian Inscriptions are on GREEK written!
Notios 3 years ago
Get serious, Macedonia was ALWAYS Greek! + that on this Slavic population who was living here (in Aegean Macedonia) most of them were BULGARIANS and NOT your population (OK you are Bulgaro-Serbians but you don't want to recognise this but never mind)!
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ed8e 3 years ago
My grandparents are living in Macedonia more than 100 years now, and those are REAL Macedonians! Makedon means TALL in Ancient Greek, how you call yourself "Macedonian" by using GREEK term? You have population 2.000.000 in the whole world, and in Aegean Macedonia 2.500.000 Greeks are living (+2.000.000 in abroad) and Albanians are taking your lands, before 1912 you were ONLY 100.000 in Aegean Macedonia and you're trying to prove that you are "Macedonians" by using GREEK word/term (MAKEDON)?
Notios 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
ed8e i am telling you again, 4.000 = NOT minority! Even Greeks of Monastiri and Gevgeli are MORE! But i don't know why you represent them as "Vlachs" still, as long as they have Greek names/surnames! OK via this logic every tourist here (Tourists are more than 4.000 every day here) are also "minority"! I call Greeks in Aegean Macedonia MACEDONIANS because it's not 80% but 50% the percentage, because my grandmother she is Macedonian born and raised there, same for her mother/grandmother
Notios 3 years ago
It's ridiculus 4.000 to considered as "minority", even Greeks of Monastiri Gevgeli Oxrida Pirilepi Stromnitsa are more but you exslavised most of them!
Notios 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
ti arxidi pou einai o bruce (me tin kali enia) ante stis 2 Augoustou an den to pei tha ginei tis poutanas :P
Up The Irons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dongare 3 years ago
And also European Union 4 days ago agreed that if you want to join European Union you have to agree with us on the name's problem and STOP provocations because such things are NOT giving you the chance for European Union! Only the other woman of the 2nd party can give you the chance of becoming member of NATO and E.U. and NOT Nikola Gruevski! And by the way, stop stealing cars! Gordana Jankulovska stole David Beckham's BMW X5 :D haha :)
Notios 3 years ago
And just to know, our government it's not radical like VMRO, if we had some Government like yours, now we would be on WAR 100%! You, if you want to become European, stop Provocations! For us Macedonia it's our Macedonia, Pirin and Vardar Banovina are North Macedonia as long as they are seperated! We won't give our history and our symbols, as we said, geographically determination (like North Macedonia or SlavoMacedonia or New Macedonia) for ALL uses, or VETO!
Notios 3 years ago
Greek economic presence in FYROM (That's what we write in the papers of the Greek Business and NOT "Macedonia" as you think) it's just to control you as a country since 1992... You're open also to ALL European Union citizens not only to us, because if you stop just for some country doing this 1) Economically you will destroyed 2) You won't join European Union 100%. About foreign politics, just wait for Obama's victory and you will see his positions totally different than the Jew Bush!
Notios 3 years ago
You don't want either as "North Macedonia" or "New Macedonia" or "SlavoMacedonia" to get recognized so your VMRO Ultra-Nationalist government, it's their faulght! As long as they will behave Ultra-Nationalistic, they won't get invitation for NATO and E.U.! You are right that we can come there with our ID's only, about you for needing visa, it's because you are NOT European Union Member! That's not faulght of Greece, European Union decides which one will need visa and not and NOT Greece!
Notios 3 years ago
Ancient Macedonians (they were Greek Tribe as all Scientists and Historians says EXCEPT the Jew George Soros) have been mixed with other people, like Ancient Spartans and all Ancient People! It's well known that Alexander the Great was mixing Ancient Macedonians with Persians and other people! And we won't recognize minority here if you don't recognize first Greek minority in Bitola and in Gevgelija from people who have Greek surnames! And the only Macedonia we recognize it's Aegean Macedonia!
Notios 3 years ago
The point is for Serbia to Cancel Kosovo's independence, for Greece to solve the Cypriot problem, and about you... As your official government recognize, we own 40% of your economy (Vero Super Market, Cosmofon, Delta Ice Creams, your petrol and lot of other business), and you can't do anything to us! If we take our business from there, till other businessmen from other countries come there, you will be economically destroyed, so you can't do anything else!
Notios 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
I told you, WE WILL SEE... I can't say for now something, i am waiting for Obama's victory first and then things will change! If he doesn't win then you are right! I don't dream personal to take some lands, but i won't also lose anything, i am FULL Member of E.U. and NATO, I am the richest country in Balkans, and i have support of Sarkozi, of Putin (After the treaty of the Gas) and if Obama wins of Obama!
Notios 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
You talk shit as you do all the time...We Greeks (and i personally) don´t try to get more land or to take land from you! You can stay where you are with your never-never-land.But change the name as it was (Vardarska) and don´t say that Alexander is a part of your history! Thats everything....Macedonia, his name and his history belongs to Greeks! Not to slavs! Thats the point of this discussion!
AgnostosAnonymos 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
Well what you are thinking and what is historical correct,thats two different sides of a coin.That doesn´t mean that it happens!How about this:The ancient macedonians was greeks.After the romans conquered Ellas,they was ap art of the Eastern roman Empire.After the fall of rome they was a part of the byzantine(greek)Empire.The slavs arrived into this area.They was a minority group into the byzantine Empire.They lived in a peacefully neighbourhood with the greeks...
AgnostosAnonymos 3 years ago
...then the Ottoman turks came.They conquered the area of Macedonia and the rest of the balcans.The greeks and the slavs was a part of this new ottoman empire.They was it for 300-400 years.Then the balcans started the independence wars against the turks.After this happens we have the picture that we have today.
AgnostosAnonymos 3 years ago
Remember Macedonia wasn´t a Country or a Empire after the romans conquered it. It was now only a region into different Empires(Roman,Byzantine,Ottoman).After the independence wars it was a part of bulgaria,serbia and greece!Greece tooked the most of the area!Even now you can´t see a country that is called Macedonia,only the Countrys that hold this area!The serbs called the area Vardarska Banovina!Now a slav(Tito) comes after WorldWar2 and named it Macedonia because he wanted parts of Greece...
AgnostosAnonymos 3 years ago
He (and some brainwashed Skopjan people, like your Patrairch in Skopje) wanted parts of northern greece(Thrace,Epirus,Agäis Macedonia).He wanted a panslavian Empire till the peloponnes!But he hadn´t any success.The rest of his madness is todays FYROM, a polyethnical Fake.Face the true! You have NO connection to ancient macedonia!
AgnostosAnonymos 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
Tito wasn't "Slav", he was a JEW and his name/surname was Josip Broz!
Notios 3 years ago
Well that makes no difference...
AgnostosAnonymos 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
We have minorities here (Albanians and Muslims in Thrace) but NOT Slavic minorities! How can 4.000 Slavic get considered as "minority" when 2.500.000 are the REAL Macedonians (Northern Greeks) in Aegean Macedonia? If you take the statistics of Athens Airport, the Tourists every day are even more than your "minority", so via this logic, and our Tourists here they must considered as "minority".
Notios 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
whatever man get back in your cave plz
GIANNHSPEIRAIAS 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
Of course they mixed.But not in high numbers!The bigger minority in this area was always the greek one!I know very well that nobody today can say that he is 100% "real". But that don´t change the fact that FYROM is an slavian country(Into his own definition!).And that after the romans you havent see any country or empire with the name Macedonia!It was only an area with mixed population but most of them was greeks! No matter if they was 100% or 60% greeks.
AgnostosAnonymos 3 years ago
...The point is that they fell like greeks.But you don´t feel like greeks.You think you are macedonians,but you are purely slavs(serbs,bulgarians and a minority number of albanians and greeks!).And you can´t forget the big and important fact,that it was Tito that gave you this name!And that we hold the biggest part of ancient macedonia(nearly 60% of the area).No matter how many times you try to ignore this,this facts will stand...
AgnostosAnonymos 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
because you're totally out of reality even on this subject! But just to know lot of Vardarians know about the Greek-Serbian Brotherhood and even in lot of videos they insult them (go and search "jas te ebam srbija" to see what Komiti's opinion about them), so never mind, you can continue living in your world and let me live in reality as long as i am going to Belgrade and living with Serbs and talking with them every day on internet, and having them as Guests in my house here :)
Notios 3 years ago
And by the way, just to inform you that i have Serbian girlfriend, i go very often in Beograd, on Crvena Zvezda games and i know all the leaders of Delije Sever, and on September i will start learning Serbian... So all i have to say is that you have no idea about what you're talking about Serbian Nationalist people! Only this! If you didn't even knew that Greece and Serbia (PEOPLE) are Brothers and that Serbs consider as their REAL Brothers Greeks and Russians, no point of talking with you
Notios 3 years ago
Also, why Arkan's children were raising here in JUZNA ATINA and Arkan with Milosevic were dreaming for Greek-Serbian boarders and vanishing you as a land? I knew personal Arkan (i saw him once in my life here in Athens) and i spoke personal with him about such thing, he called you in front of me "gypsys"!
Notios 3 years ago
Why in Australia Greeks and Serbs are united and they aren't with you?
Why Delije and Grobari are brothers with Olympiakos and Paok navijac and they put Greek flags and Macedonian Vergina in BLUE on their Tribina? see my profile pictures the links that i have
Also go on StormFront site to see the opinion about the Macedonian conflict! Serbian Nationalists (PEOPLE because politicians "Serb Nationalists" doesn't exist) purely support us on Macedonian and Cypriot problems!
Notios 3 years ago
And secondly, there are and others except Gligorov who agreed with him! Why your x Prime Minister got Bulgarian Passport? Why so many people from your country get Bulgarian Passports? If they are PROUD for their "nationality" (here we lauph) then why they get Passports from Bulgaria? To travel in E.U.? That's RIDICULUS 100% and it shows no proudness at all!
Notios 3 years ago
And by the way, Kiro Gligorov clearly said "We don't have any connection with Alexander and his Macedonia, we came here on 6 century". My Serbian Nationalist friends they call Skopje town Old Serbia or South Serbia and they said that it was first Serbian Capital!
Notios 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
Firstly, about Serbian Ultra-Nationalists how it can be a joke? I am talking about PEOPLE because i go often in Beograd and i know LOT of Serbian Nationalists (Chetniks or NeoNazis)! What about the pictures of Greek and Serbian Nationalists saluting the Nazi salute and killing together in Srebrenica and dreaming for Greek-Serbian boarders? OK because you have no idea about Serbian Nationalists, i will send you PM with LINKS and PICS!
Notios 3 years ago
under Turkish occupation! Government of Vardarska for sure will recognize Kosovo, and you will see this! But that doesn't mean that "Kosovo is Albanian" because USA and CANADA 20 of 27 countries recognized it (+Switzerland and Norway)! Tadic he is a traitor and that's my opinion, he sells Kosovo for E.U., and he brainwashes Serbian people! Nikolic he is Proud, same for Arkan (Arkan was very PRO-GREEK and i explained that i knew him in personal and i'm still in contact with their children)
Notios 3 years ago
Anyway also Serbian Politicians (not Milosevic who is NOT alive) will understand their MISTAKE, no matter that it was firstly OUR mistake, for recognizing you in 1996, after you'll recognize "Independent Kosovo" because this is 100% BACKSTAB that you will do! And you're lucky that NIKOLIC is not on Government, otherwise be sure that he would block you from "Free exchanging" and start the visa stuff for you and stop having relationships! But Thanks GOD for you, it's Traitor-Tadic the President!!!
Notios 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
Secondly, i will really STOP talking with you if you tell me that you have NO IDEA about the Greek-Serbian Brotherhood after i'll show you sites-pictures-comments on videos of YouTube and on Delije Sever Tribina the Greek flag and near the Macedonian region flag in Blue! And why i will stop talking with you? Because there's no sense if you have no idea about the Greek-Serbian Brotherhood!
Notios 3 years ago
And even Nis people recognise that Nis it's Greek name and Greek colony, go on Wikipedia and read about it (it's written by SERBS). I don't say that "Nis is Greek" but in deep past it was Greek colony as NISLIJE recognise! Read on Wikipedia about the name and history of Nis! If you existed all this times in Ancient Macedonia, it would be your colony, and in the gates of Alexandria it would be written in Cyrillic, and the inscriptions on Philip's grave it wouldn't be in Greek!
Notios 3 years ago
So... As countries recognise you as "Macedonia", as you will recognise Kosovo as a country soon, the same thing, POLITIC SHITS and benefits! It doesn't mean that because USA CANADA AUSTRALIA recognised "Independent Kosovo" that Kosovo it's Albanian! Kosovo JE SRCE SRBIJE and that's it! Same for Macedonia! And just to know, Even on Serbian University of History, Professor Tomasevic teaches about Alexander and Ancient Macedonians as Greek Tribe! Same for National Geographic of Serbia!
Notios 3 years ago
As long as i pass from your highway to go to Beograd, and i see your people, i see poor unhappy people, brainwashed... I had 4 times girlfriend from there (on holidays), one from Kisela Voda in Skopje, some other from Prilep, 1 from Gevgelija and 1 from Bitola! As a characters they had nothing to do with your Ultra-Nationalists that you have on internet and on Protests, they were very good girls
Notios 3 years ago
And don't tell me about 1992, Russia when America was against Greece always supported us (like for Cyprus), and now after the treaty for the gas between Greece and Russia even more! And Albanians much easier will get lands from you! In North Epirus, in town Himara which is now under Albanian occupation, it has GREEK Major! You know this? Go on Wikipedia and see it if you don't believe! Things are not so easy as you think that they are! And for the end (next post i will write)
Notios 3 years ago
Firstly, Greece is FULL Member of E.U. and NATO, we are the richest country in Balkans, we have much stronger Army than their army as the British S.A.S. (Special Forces of England) recognise that Greek Special Forces are on the top 5 of this world. Secondly, U.S.A. now is changing, IF Obama will win, you have to go and read, he is VERY pro-Greek! Thirdly, Euro coin is STRONGER now than Dollar so very soon U.S.A. won't be power! Forthly, Putin and Russia support NOW full Greece!
Notios 3 years ago
And me, as being Greek i am PRO-SERB because Serbs are REAL Brothers of us, Arkan and Milosevic were dreaming about Greek-Serbian boarders (And that's why Arkan's children the one he has with Natalija Martinovic were raising here and they speak perfect Greek, now they are in USA)! Serbs lost Kosovo thanks to fuckin Tito long time ago, but just to know, Albanians to get EPIRUS (Chamerja as they call it) they can't for lot of reasons that i will explain on next post of mine
Notios 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
First of all, PEOPLE are Brothers not the Politicians, secondly, they did this because our STUPID politicians made a big mistake... When your existance started in 1992 Milosevic came here and asked to send both of us armies there and seperate the land to make the Greek-Serbian boarders! Then our Prime Minister went to E.U. and said that he is a criminal Milosevic, and that's why he recognized you in 1996, so well done from him as long as we have stupid traitor and UNTHANKFULL politicians!
Notios 3 years ago
ed8e in Vardar Macedonia there are 75.000 Greeks living there but you represent them as "Vlachs". In Monastiri (Bitola) and Geugeli mostly are! Secondly, if you say about Wikipedia, go and check about Ancient Macedonia there! Thirdly, don't talk shit about Albanians in your place that they are only 15% you know that it's not real! I've been in Skopje, all North Part looks like Saudi Arabia (where Hotel Arka is), all Tetovo-Gostivar and slowly slowly Kumanovo also the same! You know that!
Notios 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
/watch?v=KLfPoaQIeKM OK here you are about some Greek who was born and raised in Bitola! I really can't understand how they have Greek names/surnames and you recognise them as Vlachs! And here is his interview! He says "We Greeks of FYROM are forgotten and ignored by Greek Government"
Notios 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
Well Notios it don´t make any sence to talk with this guy because he ignore historical facts and he gafe us a false picture of his fake-country! He comes everytime with the same propagandistic arguments about his slavic fake country.He talks about things that he didn´t believe by himself!
AgnostosAnonymos 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
The main problem is that you steal the Greek history... The territory was and will be greek forever!You fucking idiot!Greeks always was there.Your people wasn´t!Check Slavic peoples and Dorians in Wikipedia!DO IT! And don´t talk about things that happens 2000 years after Alexander!This is Greek history"
AgnostosAnonymos 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
What the fuck are you talking? MAN ONCE AND FOR ALL I TALK ABOUT THE FUCKING HISTORY OF MACEDONIA! Not about your slavic madness! Now answer me this simple question: Are you slav? Yes or No? If you are slav you have absolutely no connection to Alexander the great! No connection with the true Hellenic Macedonia! You try to change the history but it doesn´t works! Alexander and Macedonia are Greek! NOT SLAVIAN!
AgnostosAnonymos 3 years ago
Slavic expansion: In the 6th century.
Your original name(before Tito): Vardarska Banovina.
Your todays country: A big Albano-Slavian-Fake.
As i said in one comment before, i give you 10 years and you gonna start a civil war. Then we will have a second Kosovo, and your Fake-Macedonia will be dead!
AgnostosAnonymos 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
The greeks was always there...No matter if it was 2000 years before or now! They was there during the ancient times, during the dark age (Byzantine Empire was Greek,too) until now! The greeks always was the big minority in this area! No matter who did control it! And the Slavic Expansion HAPPENED! You can´t ignore this immense Fact that you are slav! "Slav = Not Macedonian". Even your own patriarch in skopje says that you are slavs a few weeks before! He wants thessaloniki. MOLON LABE!
AgnostosAnonymos 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
First of all, Ancient Macedonians same for Ancient Cretians Ancient Spartans Ancient Athenians, everyone are mixed! Same for ALL nations! Slavs came in Macedonia in 640 after Jesus's born, and Greeks there were ALWAYS there! About Monastiri (Bitola) now, my KUMA (Godmother) was born and raised there, she is GREEK (Macedonian - Northern Greek) 100%! My mother she is 100% Macedonian born and raised in Axinos of Serres, and my deda-baba are living there their grandparents from the times that it was
Notios 3 years ago
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ed8e 3 years ago
Too bad that dumbass crowd forgot the words, It would be awesome to see Maiden play alexander the great live!
EmoSucksDonkeyDick1 3 years ago