The idea is lets for the moment assume the scientific theory don't exist on the creation of the universe.
However that leave us with the question of where it all came from. Did God create it intentionally? Maybe God took a big dump and the world was created? Maybe it just all suddenly appear? Maybe we are living inside someone's imagination or we are a computer game?
The point is just because you can't explain something that does not mean God did it.
It's nice you are willing to share your story with us, shokran.
Would you be convinced by a story from a Christian, or a Hindu ?
If you want to convince any (thinking) atheist, you'll have to be able to *demonstrate* not just the existence of God, but also how that god is the one you believe in.
Demonstrating you don't quite understand how science works or what it tells us.
is definitely NOT the way.
We've heard all this before, you're in an 'infinite regress'.
Not everything has to have a creator, the materials in our universe were created by giant stars, which through nuclear fusion, created materials all the way to iron, then the rest of the materials were created through the energy from the stars explosion, which where propelled across the universe. those materials did NOT have a creator
What about the sand? Who created the sand? The dunes? Nobody did actually did shovel the sand into the desert. Nobody shoveled sand to create dunes. Why do you assume plants and animals are created?
Ok let's assume for a second that god does exist. And the universe wasn't created by coincidence. Now, where did god come from... Yes... now it comes to me, god just happened created by coincidence and therefore proving that something may come of nothing. This alone does not disprove the existence of god but it proves that a god is not necessary for the creation of the universe.
What I find bizar is that people who believe the universe has a creator also almost always believe it's their particular creator. Also, I have yet to find a person who believes the universe came into existence by coincidence. To me, "I don't know" is the best answer ever, because it invites people to investigate in stead of making up fantasies that do not correspond to reality.
God exists because of a tree? Nature does not create it only destroys? Because we have created computers means our brains were created as opposed to evolved and as for the eye. The human eye is inperfect compared to the eye of an octopus. Was that just a little error of God's or are octopi the truely supreeme beings on this planet and we are just another animal. Maybe we should ask another God?
I was baptised a catholic. I was led by my entire family to believe in catholic faith. About 3 years ago i joined middle school. I was exposed to violence war and poverty. I then realised life is unfair, yet god was said to make us "perfect". I recently was reflecting on religion, i pondered: "If god says he/she/it loves everybody equally, yet hates homosexuals, that makes him a liar. Lying is a sin, therefore god is a sinner. I was baptised a catholic, even if god exists, water washes off.
@snaforfun fuck u saying homosexuals are evil, all the gay or bi ppl i know are ten times nicer than straight ppl, and they are way more understanding and less arrogant. and im bi myself so..
@snaforfun "by being homo or bi u are following SATAN". You may be right about that. Only Muhammad was satans gay little lapdog himself. We read from scripture....
Sahih al-Bukhari, Hadith Number 2393
"for the inspiration did not come upon me when I was IN WOMAN’S GARMENTS EXCEPT THAT OF AISHA.”
(Bukhari, Hadith Number 2442 Chapter 52)
" The revelation [Qur'an] does not come to me when I am wearing dresses of any woman except A'isha.”
@snaforfun Allahs messenger liked dressing up as a woman. The translators are also arabic speaking muslims, and also know what the text means. That's why they have written it down like that, you nasty little mussleman, you. It means Maddy was a Tranny. And don't forget this little gem:
"Surely in the Messenger of God you have a good example". 33:21
So the arabic speaking muslim men also wear dresses. We all know they do it, right ?
@snaforfun OK OK...it's a ROBE !! Strewth mate, you better calm down. If you want to give it a different name, it's cool bro. We can call it Robe, or Cover, or Skirt...ahmm..I meant Mirt, or anything at all. But the actual desighn of this garment, is very much like a womans dress, right ? These ahmm..."Robes" ? Probably they are made to look like something Aisha used to get around in...lol lol Seeing Muhammad was wearing them, Arabs want to wear her dresses too, right bro ??
@snaforfun Morfe evidence of Maddy's fondness of being Gay...
Mishkat Al Masabih, Book XXVI- Fitan.
“Do not annoy me regarding A’isha, for inspiration has not come to me when I was dressed in any womans garments but A’isha’s.”
Muslim, Hadith 4415
Title, “From the virtues of the Companions.” "...the prophet was lying down on Aisha’s bed WEARING HER GARMENT. So the prophet gave permission to Abu Bakr to enter while he (Muhammad) was in that state..."
@snaforfun Aren't you full of yourself. It's your intersting commentry that caught my attention. Yes, we had better have someone trained in making expert excuses for the Tranny / cross-dresser prophet of god... lol lol How lame are you really ? How did your scholars manage to put your mind at ease, regarding Muhammads transvestite tendencies ? Please share it with us. I was going to be muslim, until I found out about Muhammad wearing womens dresses... looool !!
@celltechlars u found nothing. u make ur self look FOOL. he didnt say her dress u bastard. he said they had same cover ... it is an expression. ur lack of Arabic knowldge exposes you .. u take word to word translation from decievers who do it from the dictionary not from Arabic knowldge.
and no u never wanted to become a Muslim.
and I will kill you coz u are a deceiver. and a corrupter. in the Battle Field !
@snaforfun Don't go hurting yourself playing with sharp swords just yet, my nasty little mussleman. I know very well what the arabic words are. And they are certainly not cover. There are several different words used, and mostly it referes to "mirt", which is specifically worn by women. Hence no translations come with this "cover" idea...sorry, but the pen is mightier than the sword...lol lol
Besides, I like Arabs. It's just you that's being retarded about your religion. Maddy wore dresses.
@snaforfun Yes they will go to Bukhari perhaps, to read for themseves. This is a good thing to do. You are very wise indeed. I like you alot. You give good advice to audience. I take your advice too. And this is what I find:
Sahih Bukhari
V4, Bk 54, Nr 429:
The Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men."
Wow, Muhammad(PBUH) was up to something, wasn't he ? Maybe he had a dress on ?!
@snaforfun Was Muhammad very Gay, or just a bit gay ? Let's turn to Islamic scripture, and find out !
Sahih Bukhari (2/911), record Muhammad saying, “Revelations [i.e., the Koran] never come to me when I’m dressed in women’s clothing—except when I’m dressed in Aisha’s”. Clearly it was a habit for the prophet to dress in female clothing. It takes much explaining to convince that a guy wearing womens dresses isn't rather gay, don't you think ? Is this why arab guys wear dresses ?
@snaforfun Oh, don't be like that, my nasty little musslemenshken...most likely, you'll cop a hiding, especially if you come wearing the same outfits that Muhammad was getting around in...looool !! What, are you going to laugh me to death ?! LOOOL !!
Come, come now. If Muhammad wasn't Gay, he might be offended. But if he was, he'd like me to help him come out about his cross-dresser habbit. He'd be wanting us to be cool about it, right brother ??
118. Allâh cursed him. And he (Satan) said: "I will take an appointed portion of your slaves.
119. Verily, I will mislead them, and surely, I will arouse in them false desires; and certainly, I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and indeed I will order them to change Allâh CREATION." And whoever takes (Satan) as a Walî (protector or helper) instead of Allâh, has surely suffered a manifest loss.
@snaforfun LOOOL :) verse 119 would have to be clear proofs(lol lol) without doubts(lol lol) that Allah has braindamage. I know you are duty bound to never admit to anything stupid or absurd in Qur'an, but I believe you can read, and see the idiocy that Maddy concocted in this verse...as well as many others. As for your Islamic position about Gays, it's quiet pathetic, when we know that Maddy was partial to a touch of lavender himself...lol lol
@snaforfun Allah doesn't love much at all. He seems most likely to come in his jocks when ever he explains how he can hardly wait to fry people in his comsic roticery. Now that's one thing he seems to love with a passion. You seem to swap Allah for God here and there, as though you're not completely certain if they are one and the same...lol lol and for good reason, cause they are nothing alike. You're right about Allah, though you know nothing of God. Sorry mate, you're sadly mistaken.
it's called evolution... research it... and think again.
I've no problem with people having different beliefs from me but it's important when telling me to believe them that they at least look at the theory which is generally accepted by people that study it to be correct
Your story about the tree leaf is not a good story. You realize that, except for a few nut job out there, Atheists do NOT believe man created the universe. Of course, at this present time in history, man cannot create a leaf. Atheists do not claim man created the leaves and everything else we see around us. We claim that they exist there naturally. Why do you assume that in order for a natural explanation, nature has to be simple? That man has to be more complex than nature?
A solar panel generates more electricity than a leaf. Nature only destroys? How did that fertilized egg turn into you? By destruction?
You're argument for the computer can be applied to God. Who created God? If God is exempt from needing a creator the the Universe can be exempt as well.
I'm going to try and help you now. Don't say in the future that nobody tried okay? Explain to me 1. If your god is "perfect" why does he need worship? 2. Why don't you believe in Zeus or Thor? You would if you were born a couple thousand years ago. Can't you see the picture of the wall?
just because we can't do it our selves doesn't necessarily mean some one else did.
the comparison with the computer is a bad one. we make computers, so we will assume some one made it. We do not make people. people do however grow naturally. And we can back track this complex life through history and evolution and see how it became so complex out of something simple, al the while with no sign that any creator was involved.
Yes... There is a creator for Computer and Camera, but we know who created it.. and how can you say 100% that God created humans... You couldn't prove it... Look at the contradictory statements in your religious books...
no shit a man cant make a tree, our species has barely become aware of math and science compared to how many years of evolution trees have had.. science will eventually be able to explain all, maybe in millions of years, but it will, and at that moment they will write in history about how some humans relied on a false god to make themselves feel better, and that its only benefit was to keep people under control by giving guidelines. that's right I'm talking about you.
"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."
Electrigal - You would do well to get yourself a proper science based education beyond some simple biology learned in high school. You will learn how it is not the case that we have been created by a deity and how the facts we have about the natural world are explained by theories, evolution for one.
Unfortunately you are not alone in your delusion and I'm afraid it is holding humanity back on what I believe must be our ultimate goal to seek peace and harmony if we are to survive and prosper.
so because our tech hasnt advanced enough to form living cells from basic unliving forms u assume god did it? and right nature doesnt grow forests, build mountians, form islands, or grow food it only burns it away and erodes them...... and if im lost in the desert and i see a computer in the desert, start talking to myself and then start hearing ur voice id think i was dieing of heat exaustion. oh and where did u get that the eye is 1000000000 times more complicated then a camra?
It truly is incredible how complex life is today, but the majority of the scientific community understands that it wasn't always like this. Simple unorganized jumbles of amino acids formed by chemicals in the turbelent waters of early earth, evolutionary theorists believe our complexity results from several random mutations in reproduction and natural selection, a billion years' worth of constant trial and error of nature. To us nature is beautiful and appreciable, but still simply nature
I disagree with the general message of this video, but I must say your outlook is absolutely beautiful. Our scientific understanding of the universe in terms of its origins and beyond are still in its infancy. Many people hypothesize that the big bang and our universe is in a constant cycle of birth and death, expansion and collapse. But there's only so much that we know for sure. This doesn't mean we can't ever know and that god is the only remaining explanation, just that we dont know now.
Right. So god exists. I bet its *your* god right? The one you chose, not one of the hundreds of other gods invented by humans. Nope, its *your* god. Do you realize how stupid this is..... Some un seen deity exists because you would pee the bed at night if you had to contemplate the universe and your existence as it really is.
Nature only destroys? How about your tree, did it not grow? That's nature building, not destroying... Your computer in the desert argument doesn't make sense. A computer is made by man, not a natural force of nature, it's completely different. For your camera/eye argument, please watch this video: v=Y2MmYBMOXj0 and this: v=7jEhzAn1hDc (you will need to type them into your browser) or search for eye evolution. I hope that this can help you open your own naturally evolved eyes to the truth
You won't convert any atheists this way. We came from religion. Why would we go back? We left religion/god for a reason. Stop using the "if it exists, god did it" arguement. It holds no merit. Please go study some science...
Well this had to be the most condesending video I have ever seen. The Blind Watch maker argument has already been disproven. Your assuming everything must be created because it exist. There could be a 1 billion reasons why that computer is there. For all you know it could be an autonomous being that just put itself back together. Also nature doesn't go that way, things exist because of evolution through natural selection. The Human brain and eye have evolved thats why they exist.
If I found a computer in a desert, I'd assume it was placed.
When I see a human eye, I assume it was created. But I don't assume that the creator was God. Indeed, scientific evidence shows that the human eye is the result of biological evolution. Similarly, evidence shows that the earth's creator is astronomical accretion. I assume a creator, but not a specific creator. Natural processes can produce results far more beautiful than those created.
I fully agree with the poster below me, you end up with an illogical recursive argument. I find your computer in the desert argument silly, a computer is an example of "harnessed" nature. Electricity is natural, humans create the computer out of nature. The truth is, as wonderful as believing in a creator may be, I much prefer continue the scientific struggle to understand everything precisely withut simply putting all occurences on a "god"...just my opinion
How is it that it requires a Creator for the universe without requiring a Super-Creator for the Creator ... and a Super-Super-Creator for the Super-Creator who created the Creator who created the universe, etc., ad infinitum?
Oh, btw. Nature does build some exquisite stuff. Snowflakes, gorges, huge stalactites and stalagmites, beautiful glaciers, mountains, fulgurites. If you don't see beauty in nature, you're not looking hard enough.
LOL I don't "believe" in wind or electrons. I can however use scientific method to prove their existence and this is why "I" do not believe in God. I will keep supporting your right to freedom of religion as long as you support my right to freedom from religion. This includes separation of church and state, for if the governments are theologically based then my rights are automatically infringed upon.
i want to know why god lets people die if he is really there,look at hurricanes and shit like that, "oh im gonna let inoccent people die for my happines".and also tell me,WHERE THE FUCK DID GOD COME FROM?!In my opinion i think that the bible was written by a guy doing a mix of pot and coke,also mixed in with alcohol.
do you believe that we are meant to live happily on earth? why are our lives so short? and why do we die? .. I know you might say there is no reason .. but everything around us happens for a reason! every action has a reaction (that's science).. Einstein has a famous saying "God does not play dice"
he's a top scientist isn't he?
so why? I can tell you what the Quran says but you wouldn't believe me unless u believe that the Quran is the word of god, so I wont waste our time here.
bottom line here is for all Atheist out there, you believe in electrons yet NO ONE ever seen an electron. what we see is the effect of an electron ! if I tell you that there is no such thing as an electron you would probably laugh at me! although if you show me an electron I would believe with out no doubt that there is an electron! so this is the analogy !
you want me to show you God! I can't see God to show him to you but I can see the effect of God. and the effect of God is LIFE!
You're wasting your life worshiping an imaginary being. Your argument would be the same for leprechauns, no one has ever seen one but yet everyone has seen a rainbow and everyone knows that there is a pot of leprechauns gold at the end of every rainbow. You can't prove there are no leprechauns ergo your God is the same as a leprechaun. You cannot disprove that fairies exist therefore your Lord and Cherisher of the worlds is the same as a fairy. You need a better argument.
and by the way, I'm 100% sure that the God that you imagine when you close your mind is not what we call God. And he certainly does not look like man, and does not have a white beard .
so you believe in wind and you believe in electrons. so can you prove to me that wind or electrons exist? why aren't they like that fairy of yours? why should one believe there is wind?
and I'm glad that when you close your eyes to imagine you see nothing! just like Mulsims :D
but not cuz he does not exist but cuz he is beyond our imagination ;)
blakflame1, Einstein was using the word 'god' as a metaphor for nature. Einstein was a pantheist at best. According to the Qur'an Einstein would be in hell right now. lol!
As for your reason for believing in God electrigal, I don't think it's a very good one.
the earth's about 4.5 billion yrs old. So let's say it took a very long time for the leaf to come about, and do what it does. If a man worked on the leaf problem for the same amount of time, who's to say he wouldn't be able to invent a mechanism of the same size, which can do the same thing. I think religious people don't understand that ANYTHING is possible given enough time.
I could sit down and right a book about how everything started, then give it to some kid, convince him its true, and create a whole new religion. I can't get my head around how irrational religious people must be. There is absolutely no proof of an existence of God. Just get over it, life's not that bad that you need some external force giving you meaning and protecting you. Like many people have already said, your questions have been answered.
Ive heard the 'watchmaker' argument hundreds of times, except people change it to watches, or computers, or they say they were wealking on a beach, or a jungle.
It isnt a good argumnent because a computer is not living. Living beings reproduce.
If I see a ice crystal which appears because3 of interactions between water molecules, I dont assume it was designed.. I assume it was just a biochemical fact that water freezes in a certain arrangement
I was around 15, and was being told the storey of Noah's ark. My first thought was, how did the dinousaurs fit on the boat, I assumed the whales didnt need to be on the boat (cause they live in the sea) and I wandered where all the bacteria was.
Than I realised how stupid it all was.
Complex life life trees can be explained by natural selection. How life started? nobody knows for sure, but I am swayed by the RNA wolrd hypothesis
There is a neat word, one "trillion," used to say "one thousand billion."
Now, for your questions. I am sure you will be happy to know that, about 150 years ago, a man named Charles Darwin answered them. What's more, is that for the past 150 years, scientists and researchers have, again and again, convincingly confirmed and explained his answers.
Have you ever thought about what happens to probability when you set time equal to infinity? It then makes even the most improbable things possible. In the same way that if you leave a monkey at a type writer you will get Hamlet if you give it enough time you will find a Dell computer in the dessert by the same principle
GOD is the word of that you can be assured 7th english letter G 15th is O 4th is D when spirit shown that do you know what that meant to me how that =26 there are 26 letters in the english alphabet letters make words so GOD is the word don't forget
wow thats a point I have never looked at. That is really fascinating. I see your point however I am still a atheist but that is truly a cool point to bring to bear.
Nature does both u idiot?!?!?!? the probability of a computer being in the desert is extremely low... Wow ur a dumb ass... There is a difference between life and technology?
Oh Awesome, they just keep going and going and going. These fun little christian videos provide many laughs to get me through the day. Keep them coming!
computers are inorganic sistems. Brains are organic sistems. Inorganic creations are able to appear in tha natural world. Organic creations appear naturally in nature without beign necessary someone to create them. And their complexity can be explained by simple concept of evolution.
People gather here and peacefully discuss their beliefs, and you come, and you overkill everything with swearing. There's no excuse for that. If you didn't like it, you shouldn't have clicked on it, so you are angered, because of your own stupidity, aren't you?
OK first of all thankyou for your kind words child (If you are one).
I don't want to reply because the beuty of your voice doesn't allow me to correct anything, and besides most of my arguments are reflected in comments below at some level.
If all believers were as quiet and thoughtful as you the world would be a much better place.
Athiests base their life on what they have evidence or atleast a theory that stands up well to the tests of scientific scrutiny. THe direction you are going in will bring up the even bigger question for you about proving where the incredibly complex being which consciously created the universe came from.
Also, if I saw a computer in a desert, the last thing I would ask is who made it since I know and have the proven factual knowledge of who made it. Your example is flawed.
There are perfectly sound and factually proven explanations about how trees with their leaves and humans with our brains and eyes have evolved from something very simple like a single cell organism to what we are now. Just because something is complicated beyond your understanding you cannot suspend the scientific method of using evidence to formulate a theory to begin to understand life. None of what you say mattes since you have no evidence of a god.
You are saying that you know the computer to be designed in contrast to the desert around it that was not designed. Are you therefore saying that the desert was not designed?
ORIGINS OF GOD(s): 600,000 years ago when man became aware that he was more intelligent than the animals he was hunting. Man created a God to explain things he did not understand. When migration took man to all parts of the Earth, each branch created their own God(s) That's why you have so many different ones to this day! To put it more simply: IMAGINATION CREATED GOD(s)
to the video maker: The camera does not have a blind spot; my eye does. The camera has features to work well in all light conditions , providing its own light while I struggle to see in the dark. The camera can focus light across its entire viewing range to produce an image equally focused and resolute across that range; the best vision of my eye is limited to a tiny fraction of my range. Why is it that the designer of the the camera did a better job than the creator of the human eye?
Almost all theistic arguments stem from a very narrow, very arrogantly human, perspective. Nature does not only destroy; it is responsible for the environment you find miraculous. Complexity within a system does not equal an intelligent, supervising creator exists. Man made objects are not subject to the properties of evolution. Evolution will lead to a conglomeration of systems that you happen to perceive as complex because you are unable to replicate or understand them.
Oh this is so easy! Miss have you ever heard of the watch maker analogy, cause that is what you just used! And do you know what Atheist say to that? Who made the watch maker! Ah, so easy come on that argument has been used since 1802 by William Paley! Through at us something new! Please! You know how annoying it is to answer the same old questions over and over again it's almost if it weren't so funny!
This is quite possibly the best advice you will get in your whole life, (and non-existent afterlife)
If you actually try to learn, ask questions that actually will further your knowledge, you will receive answers which will give you a much better view on everything, You will ACTUALLY understand, and not just say "Well.. since I dont get it, no one does, so that means GOD did it (WHICH YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE)
I believe you don't care about the truth, you just want to feel good.
That's very wrong. Islam wants to KILL(not kidding) me because I don't believe in Allah.
Love and peace? More like controlling the masses. Save your bullshit of your gods love for me. I remember being a nice person in my life, helping people out just because they needed my help, not because god told me to, or because I'd have a place in heaven if I do so. But people STILL want to KILL me. FOR MY OPINIONS!!!!
Also, about that computer example. We know for a fact that Humans made the computer. But there is NO evidence that god created the Universe.
I know it may be a little hard for your stupid mind to comprehend, but not everything needs a creator(or else who created your god?). Not everything is on purpose. Science is complicated, that's why it's not for the narrow-minded.
I have long believed pretty much the same as this video explains. Think about it - everything that exists (not created by man) is proof that God is real. That is my own opinion. I am not here to judge anyone if they do not believe.
Why do we not see God? I believe it was meant to be that way, until we die. That is where our faith comes in. FYI - I am the furthest from being a religious fanatic. I simply have a very strong faith in God.
you and no else including myself can proof or disprove that there is or isn't a god that created us or if we were created by coindence or whatever but why should be worry and obey laws that were created by man about gods and goddesses so that they could control us through striking fear into us. Now why worship something that might or not be there? Why worry about an afterlife that might or might not be there? Why not just live this life as you want to?
Computers don't self-replicate, life does - arguments from ignorance wins no nobel prizes, and you are another brain that fails to utilize rationality and logic correctly... Thus you accept islam, and thus i find you worthy of ridicule:
Well, you may go ahead and observe your PC and see if another PC pops up next to it at some point, but i think you'll find yourself wasting time rather dubiously because computers are NOT organic...
Then why I cannot see £100M creating themselves in front of me??
"it was always there"
Just like any other physical object, it cannot be always there. loool how can "experts" believe in such things... yes I know the reason... so that they appear to be "modern" and "intelligent"... which is quite the opposite....
"who created god, or did god create himself?"
It can be but you cannot prove it since God is a non-physical object :)
No I would tell you that the computer's creater was dell, because it fucking says it on it. If I had a label on me saying made by god, then I would believe it.
So... because something very small and simple like a leaf can exist, and serve an important purpose... that means that the only explanation is something big and complex like god?
You're right, it does sound like something someone would think up in middle school. Unfortunately your critical thinking seems not to have progressed at all since then.
The "creation requires a creator" argument has been done better by Ray Comfort and has also been soundly disproven by countless individuals.
athiest accept the fact that there are some questions that we simply do not have the answers to. Followers of god on the other hand are unabe to acceot this. They cannot go through life without have an answer to the big questions, and so "god" just fits them all as a generic answer for everything. Eho created the earth? I don't know, but since I can use a telescope to see other planets being formed in the same way evolution says earth was formed, I am more likely to belive in evolution than god.
Nice try. Lets trey the other side of your argument. If god created the universe, are you saying god created the computer? Or was it created by man? I am athiest. I argue, that not everything in the universe was created be evolution, but that does not mean I give credit to "sky bully". Some things evlove, and other things require intelligence (such as computers). The difference between Athiest and followers of god (Islam, Christian, Hindu, Jewdism) etc. etc. is...
If you honestly believed a god created the universe, you'd be a scientist that studied that creation. But instead you study the work of ancient men--because you want their philosophy to be true--because you like it.
But if there actually is a creator, I can't imagine a better way to insult him than by claiming to know what he wants while simultaneously ignoring study of his actual creation--our universe.
We're stupid? But for the most part we understand what proper syntax, grammar and spelling look like. I can't believe that someone who cannot even spell the name of the people, "athiesy?" they are trying to insult could even consider their argument valid. If you think we're stupid and you can't spell "don't," just keep the thoughts you have to yourself. And so for those of you that would like to insult my brain at least spell shit right. Your argument is absurd rsn3rdz .
...besides taking a look at nature. Why cant people just accept nature for being what it is, and not something crafted by some higher power. We have proof of how evolution works (at least some proof) - something to explain how it may have come to be. All that religious people do is stand around and look at it and question.
Someone explain evolution to this woman please
spyrolad 6 months ago
The idea is lets for the moment assume the scientific theory don't exist on the creation of the universe.
However that leave us with the question of where it all came from. Did God create it intentionally? Maybe God took a big dump and the world was created? Maybe it just all suddenly appear? Maybe we are living inside someone's imagination or we are a computer game?
The point is just because you can't explain something that does not mean God did it.
Neosaigo 8 months ago
Hi Electrigal,
It's nice you are willing to share your story with us, shokran.
Would you be convinced by a story from a Christian, or a Hindu ?
If you want to convince any (thinking) atheist, you'll have to be able to *demonstrate* not just the existence of God, but also how that god is the one you believe in.
Demonstrating you don't quite understand how science works or what it tells us.
is definitely NOT the way.
We've heard all this before, you're in an 'infinite regress'.
Salam,
mindwis3 8 months ago
Not everything has to have a creator, the materials in our universe were created by giant stars, which through nuclear fusion, created materials all the way to iron, then the rest of the materials were created through the energy from the stars explosion, which where propelled across the universe. those materials did NOT have a creator
DackVarinCorel 8 months ago
What about the sand? Who created the sand? The dunes? Nobody did actually did shovel the sand into the desert. Nobody shoveled sand to create dunes. Why do you assume plants and animals are created?
franky1901 8 months ago
Ok let's assume for a second that god does exist. And the universe wasn't created by coincidence. Now, where did god come from... Yes... now it comes to me, god just happened created by coincidence and therefore proving that something may come of nothing. This alone does not disprove the existence of god but it proves that a god is not necessary for the creation of the universe.
JackofAllTrades799 9 months ago
And as usual all "proof for God" videos start off with images of distant objects in outer space...
AgentCROCODILE 10 months ago
What I find bizar is that people who believe the universe has a creator also almost always believe it's their particular creator. Also, I have yet to find a person who believes the universe came into existence by coincidence. To me, "I don't know" is the best answer ever, because it invites people to investigate in stead of making up fantasies that do not correspond to reality.
FHomeBrew 10 months ago
Yes and exactly what you said really supports evolution
THEserialKILLER619 10 months ago
God exists because of a tree? Nature does not create it only destroys? Because we have created computers means our brains were created as opposed to evolved and as for the eye. The human eye is inperfect compared to the eye of an octopus. Was that just a little error of God's or are octopi the truely supreeme beings on this planet and we are just another animal. Maybe we should ask another God?
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TheSatanwarrior 1 year ago
I was baptised a catholic. I was led by my entire family to believe in catholic faith. About 3 years ago i joined middle school. I was exposed to violence war and poverty. I then realised life is unfair, yet god was said to make us "perfect". I recently was reflecting on religion, i pondered: "If god says he/she/it loves everybody equally, yet hates homosexuals, that makes him a liar. Lying is a sin, therefore god is a sinner. I was baptised a catholic, even if god exists, water washes off.
3mangafan 1 year ago
@3mangafan well sorry to tell u that the church is the liar.
GOD does not love all equally. Allah Love is earned. and GOD loves whom he wants. the Good and rightious.
and also the sinners who leave sins and come back GOD loves them .. but they have to make the "coming back" to earn GOD's Love.
and homos are evil and isnt human nature.
Read about Islam. Christianity is Corrupted by the church
snaforfun 1 year ago
@snaforfun fuck u saying homosexuals are evil, all the gay or bi ppl i know are ten times nicer than straight ppl, and they are way more understanding and less arrogant. and im bi myself so..
3mangafan 1 year ago
@3mangafan look at the hypocrisy !
u start with "fuck u" and then say "nicer than straight"
u know what ... u dont understand anything. GOD put the rules and the boundaries of Good and streight and nice
I dont see u nice at all nor streight .. ur mind is full of junk that u cant eveen talk without using sexual words
and this sin u are doing will send you streight to hell.
and it is Evil yes , and u know how it started. u made it happen ! there was a day when u were NOT Homo. its a crime!
snaforfun 1 year ago
@3mangafan and evil is not allways about relations between people ... there are evil things in regards of disobeying GOD rules.
u just focus on human rights and IGNORE GOD Right.
it is WORSE EVIL to ignore GOD Rights , who CREATED you. and that is to Obey him and dont follow SATAN GOD enemy.
by being homo or bi u are following SATAN .
and dont bla bla about it being Natural. it is NOT. and YOU KNOW IT. u choose n to DO IT. then u changed from inside AFTER.
snaforfun 1 year ago
@snaforfun "by being homo or bi u are following SATAN". You may be right about that. Only Muhammad was satans gay little lapdog himself. We read from scripture....
Sahih al-Bukhari, Hadith Number 2393
"for the inspiration did not come upon me when I was IN WOMAN’S GARMENTS EXCEPT THAT OF AISHA.”
(Bukhari, Hadith Number 2442 Chapter 52)
" The revelation [Qur'an] does not come to me when I am wearing dresses of any woman except A'isha.”
Cross-dresser / Tranny prophet of God...loool !
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars for you only the sword work. I pray to Allah to meet you in the coming battle. the final one and kill u personally .
and yes I am barbarian and terrorist and a killer with people like you.
u are using corrupted translations u idiot we Arabic speaking Mulsims know exactly the meaning of the words.
btw why did u follow me from other forums to here ? coz u are like satan himself. a corruptor and whisperrer of evil.
btw .. i will kill you in Battle GOD willing I pray for that
amen
snaforfun 1 year ago
@snaforfun Allahs messenger liked dressing up as a woman. The translators are also arabic speaking muslims, and also know what the text means. That's why they have written it down like that, you nasty little mussleman, you. It means Maddy was a Tranny. And don't forget this little gem:
"Surely in the Messenger of God you have a good example". 33:21
So the arabic speaking muslim men also wear dresses. We all know they do it, right ?
So it's no secret, no mystery.
Muhammad the Tranny !!
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars I dont need translator I am an Arab u idiot. and I wont talk with u any more . between us is the SWORD.
and what we wear is called ROBE isnt female dress. and the chinese wear the same but from silk
and u will DIE.
snaforfun 1 year ago
@snaforfun OK OK...it's a ROBE !! Strewth mate, you better calm down. If you want to give it a different name, it's cool bro. We can call it Robe, or Cover, or Skirt...ahmm..I meant Mirt, or anything at all. But the actual desighn of this garment, is very much like a womans dress, right ? These ahmm..."Robes" ? Probably they are made to look like something Aisha used to get around in...lol lol Seeing Muhammad was wearing them, Arabs want to wear her dresses too, right bro ??
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars ignoring
snaforfun 1 year ago
@snaforfun Laughing...
celltechlars 1 year ago
@snaforfun Morfe evidence of Maddy's fondness of being Gay...
Mishkat Al Masabih, Book XXVI- Fitan.
“Do not annoy me regarding A’isha, for inspiration has not come to me when I was dressed in any womans garments but A’isha’s.”
Muslim, Hadith 4415
Title, “From the virtues of the Companions.” "...the prophet was lying down on Aisha’s bed WEARING HER GARMENT. So the prophet gave permission to Abu Bakr to enter while he (Muhammad) was in that state..."
Yes, yes...in that state indeed
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars aham so u followed me here like a garbage...
hey guys this idiot is following Muslims every where to put his or her garbage and corrupt things.
rememeber to ignore such haters and go and ask the scholars about everything .. they will explain to u and expose these people corruptions.
snaforfun 1 year ago
@snaforfun Aren't you full of yourself. It's your intersting commentry that caught my attention. Yes, we had better have someone trained in making expert excuses for the Tranny / cross-dresser prophet of god... lol lol How lame are you really ? How did your scholars manage to put your mind at ease, regarding Muhammads transvestite tendencies ? Please share it with us. I was going to be muslim, until I found out about Muhammad wearing womens dresses... looool !!
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars u found nothing. u make ur self look FOOL. he didnt say her dress u bastard. he said they had same cover ... it is an expression. ur lack of Arabic knowldge exposes you .. u take word to word translation from decievers who do it from the dictionary not from Arabic knowldge.
and no u never wanted to become a Muslim.
and I will kill you coz u are a deceiver. and a corrupter. in the Battle Field !
snaforfun 1 year ago
@snaforfun Don't go hurting yourself playing with sharp swords just yet, my nasty little mussleman. I know very well what the arabic words are. And they are certainly not cover. There are several different words used, and mostly it referes to "mirt", which is specifically worn by women. Hence no translations come with this "cover" idea...sorry, but the pen is mightier than the sword...lol lol
Besides, I like Arabs. It's just you that's being retarded about your religion. Maddy wore dresses.
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars liar again . and you dont know anything in Arabic. besides i dont want ur sorry , i am not trying to convince u
u are a dead man already.
I just posted so people read my post and LEARN where to go and find the truth, that is Arabic Language and Arabic speaking scholars
as for your talks .. they are zero .... I was just directing the audience not trying to reply to you.
and they will go and read and ask. and will know.
as for u ur fate is done already/
snaforfun 1 year ago
@snaforfun Yes they will go to Bukhari perhaps, to read for themseves. This is a good thing to do. You are very wise indeed. I like you alot. You give good advice to audience. I take your advice too. And this is what I find:
Sahih Bukhari
V4, Bk 54, Nr 429:
The Prophet said, "While I was at the House in a state midway between sleep and wakefulness, (an angel recognized me) as the man lying between two men."
Wow, Muhammad(PBUH) was up to something, wasn't he ? Maybe he had a dress on ?!
celltechlars 1 year ago
@snaforfun Was Muhammad very Gay, or just a bit gay ? Let's turn to Islamic scripture, and find out !
Sahih Bukhari (2/911), record Muhammad saying, “Revelations [i.e., the Koran] never come to me when I’m dressed in women’s clothing—except when I’m dressed in Aisha’s”. Clearly it was a habit for the prophet to dress in female clothing. It takes much explaining to convince that a guy wearing womens dresses isn't rather gay, don't you think ? Is this why arab guys wear dresses ?
celltechlars 1 year ago
@celltechlars I will kill you . for insulting the prophet like that. I pray to Allah that we meet in battle field so i can personally kill u.
amen.
snaforfun 1 year ago
@snaforfun Oh, don't be like that, my nasty little musslemenshken...most likely, you'll cop a hiding, especially if you come wearing the same outfits that Muhammad was getting around in...looool !! What, are you going to laugh me to death ?! LOOOL !!
Come, come now. If Muhammad wasn't Gay, he might be offended. But if he was, he'd like me to help him come out about his cross-dresser habbit. He'd be wanting us to be cool about it, right brother ??
So chill, and put on a dress...lol lol
celltechlars 1 year ago
@3mangafan
the Holy Quran 3 -118
118. Allâh cursed him. And he (Satan) said: "I will take an appointed portion of your slaves.
119. Verily, I will mislead them, and surely, I will arouse in them false desires; and certainly, I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and indeed I will order them to change Allâh CREATION." And whoever takes (Satan) as a Walî (protector or helper) instead of Allâh, has surely suffered a manifest loss.
snaforfun 1 year ago
@snaforfun LOOOL :) verse 119 would have to be clear proofs(lol lol) without doubts(lol lol) that Allah has braindamage. I know you are duty bound to never admit to anything stupid or absurd in Qur'an, but I believe you can read, and see the idiocy that Maddy concocted in this verse...as well as many others. As for your Islamic position about Gays, it's quiet pathetic, when we know that Maddy was partial to a touch of lavender himself...lol lol
celltechlars 1 year ago
@snaforfun Allah doesn't love much at all. He seems most likely to come in his jocks when ever he explains how he can hardly wait to fry people in his comsic roticery. Now that's one thing he seems to love with a passion. You seem to swap Allah for God here and there, as though you're not completely certain if they are one and the same...lol lol and for good reason, cause they are nothing alike. You're right about Allah, though you know nothing of God. Sorry mate, you're sadly mistaken.
celltechlars 1 year ago
it's called evolution... research it... and think again.
I've no problem with people having different beliefs from me but it's important when telling me to believe them that they at least look at the theory which is generally accepted by people that study it to be correct
goonerh1 1 year ago
“Although we all know nature only destroys. Nature, actually, does not build”… that is one of the dumbest statements I’ve heard in awhile.
241Groundhog 1 year ago
Your story about the tree leaf is not a good story. You realize that, except for a few nut job out there, Atheists do NOT believe man created the universe. Of course, at this present time in history, man cannot create a leaf. Atheists do not claim man created the leaves and everything else we see around us. We claim that they exist there naturally. Why do you assume that in order for a natural explanation, nature has to be simple? That man has to be more complex than nature?
241Groundhog 1 year ago
A solar panel generates more electricity than a leaf. Nature only destroys? How did that fertilized egg turn into you? By destruction?
You're argument for the computer can be applied to God. Who created God? If God is exempt from needing a creator the the Universe can be exempt as well.
rcguy69 1 year ago
I'm going to try and help you now. Don't say in the future that nobody tried okay? Explain to me 1. If your god is "perfect" why does he need worship? 2. Why don't you believe in Zeus or Thor? You would if you were born a couple thousand years ago. Can't you see the picture of the wall?
Dcuish 1 year ago
just because we can't do it our selves doesn't necessarily mean some one else did.
the comparison with the computer is a bad one. we make computers, so we will assume some one made it. We do not make people. people do however grow naturally. And we can back track this complex life through history and evolution and see how it became so complex out of something simple, al the while with no sign that any creator was involved.
liesandtricks 1 year ago
please educate yourself.
aenoch75 1 year ago
Yes... There is a creator for Computer and Camera, but we know who created it.. and how can you say 100% that God created humans... You couldn't prove it... Look at the contradictory statements in your religious books...
rurukoshyv 1 year ago 3
no shit a man cant make a tree, our species has barely become aware of math and science compared to how many years of evolution trees have had.. science will eventually be able to explain all, maybe in millions of years, but it will, and at that moment they will write in history about how some humans relied on a false god to make themselves feel better, and that its only benefit was to keep people under control by giving guidelines. that's right I'm talking about you.
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SgtSlaughter94larry 1 year ago
you say nature destroys. but if god created nature then god creates destruction, its as simple as that
GuerillaGorillaz 1 year ago
"it needs a creator" is not solid evidence for me, sorry.
hallutsut 1 year ago
Electrigal - You would do well to get yourself a proper science based education beyond some simple biology learned in high school. You will learn how it is not the case that we have been created by a deity and how the facts we have about the natural world are explained by theories, evolution for one.
Unfortunately you are not alone in your delusion and I'm afraid it is holding humanity back on what I believe must be our ultimate goal to seek peace and harmony if we are to survive and prosper.
mrjonno 1 year ago
so because our tech hasnt advanced enough to form living cells from basic unliving forms u assume god did it? and right nature doesnt grow forests, build mountians, form islands, or grow food it only burns it away and erodes them...... and if im lost in the desert and i see a computer in the desert, start talking to myself and then start hearing ur voice id think i was dieing of heat exaustion. oh and where did u get that the eye is 1000000000 times more complicated then a camra?
linkforever92 1 year ago
It truly is incredible how complex life is today, but the majority of the scientific community understands that it wasn't always like this. Simple unorganized jumbles of amino acids formed by chemicals in the turbelent waters of early earth, evolutionary theorists believe our complexity results from several random mutations in reproduction and natural selection, a billion years' worth of constant trial and error of nature. To us nature is beautiful and appreciable, but still simply nature
shmee10 1 year ago
I disagree with the general message of this video, but I must say your outlook is absolutely beautiful. Our scientific understanding of the universe in terms of its origins and beyond are still in its infancy. Many people hypothesize that the big bang and our universe is in a constant cycle of birth and death, expansion and collapse. But there's only so much that we know for sure. This doesn't mean we can't ever know and that god is the only remaining explanation, just that we dont know now.
shmee10 1 year ago
God is a Verb--the governing of desire.
wellcertainly 1 year ago
Right. So god exists. I bet its *your* god right? The one you chose, not one of the hundreds of other gods invented by humans. Nope, its *your* god. Do you realize how stupid this is..... Some un seen deity exists because you would pee the bed at night if you had to contemplate the universe and your existence as it really is.
csadler 1 year ago
Nature only destroys? How about your tree, did it not grow? That's nature building, not destroying... Your computer in the desert argument doesn't make sense. A computer is made by man, not a natural force of nature, it's completely different. For your camera/eye argument, please watch this video: v=Y2MmYBMOXj0 and this: v=7jEhzAn1hDc (you will need to type them into your browser) or search for eye evolution. I hope that this can help you open your own naturally evolved eyes to the truth
Android360 1 year ago
You won't convert any atheists this way. We came from religion. Why would we go back? We left religion/god for a reason. Stop using the "if it exists, god did it" arguement. It holds no merit. Please go study some science...
RGDA4LIFE 1 year ago
Robots killed my parents.
ticktickticking 1 year ago 7
@ticktickticking lol
gangster3366 1 year ago
Well this had to be the most condesending video I have ever seen. The Blind Watch maker argument has already been disproven. Your assuming everything must be created because it exist. There could be a 1 billion reasons why that computer is there. For all you know it could be an autonomous being that just put itself back together. Also nature doesn't go that way, things exist because of evolution through natural selection. The Human brain and eye have evolved thats why they exist.
slicingwater 1 year ago
If I found a computer in a desert, I'd assume it was placed.
When I see a human eye, I assume it was created. But I don't assume that the creator was God. Indeed, scientific evidence shows that the human eye is the result of biological evolution. Similarly, evidence shows that the earth's creator is astronomical accretion. I assume a creator, but not a specific creator. Natural processes can produce results far more beautiful than those created.
theCamelCase 1 year ago
I have no problem with people beleaving in religion just as long as people don't insult me for believing that there is no god.
And there is quite a difference between a man made machine and something organic.
Mcmadness288 1 year ago
Do you believe that God has a creator too? Like a kind of meta God? What kind of logic is that? What about I don't know? God explains nothing.
tubetib 1 year ago
I fully agree with the poster below me, you end up with an illogical recursive argument. I find your computer in the desert argument silly, a computer is an example of "harnessed" nature. Electricity is natural, humans create the computer out of nature. The truth is, as wonderful as believing in a creator may be, I much prefer continue the scientific struggle to understand everything precisely withut simply putting all occurences on a "god"...just my opinion
hellsfinallyfrozen 1 year ago
Your logic can't supply a meaningful answer.
How is it that it requires a Creator for the universe without requiring a Super-Creator for the Creator ... and a Super-Super-Creator for the Super-Creator who created the Creator who created the universe, etc., ad infinitum?
The physical universe is the only thing we know.
kruddykuffar 2 years ago
Cut it off with the complexity argument. Open a biology book.
justforflag2 2 years ago
Oh, btw. Nature does build some exquisite stuff. Snowflakes, gorges, huge stalactites and stalagmites, beautiful glaciers, mountains, fulgurites. If you don't see beauty in nature, you're not looking hard enough.
squ34ky2 2 years ago
This was a recycled "watchmaker" argument. It's wrong to compare, biological organisms that reproduce on their own to life-less objects that don't.
I had a creator. Two, in fact. My parents. :-)
Sorry, not very convincing.
squ34ky2 2 years ago
LOL I don't "believe" in wind or electrons. I can however use scientific method to prove their existence and this is why "I" do not believe in God. I will keep supporting your right to freedom of religion as long as you support my right to freedom from religion. This includes separation of church and state, for if the governments are theologically based then my rights are automatically infringed upon.
Brodie2F 2 years ago 21
Sorry little one but this kafir is going to stay a kafir and if i was to find and take a path I know for a fact islam is most certainly not the way.
AgnosticPath 2 years ago
god came from nothing, big bang came from nothing (...kinda). Stalemate imo.
Volvicz 2 years ago
i want to know why god lets people die if he is really there,look at hurricanes and shit like that, "oh im gonna let inoccent people die for my happines".and also tell me,WHERE THE FUCK DID GOD COME FROM?!In my opinion i think that the bible was written by a guy doing a mix of pot and coke,also mixed in with alcohol.
mawster88rsname 2 years ago
do you believe that we are meant to live happily on earth? why are our lives so short? and why do we die? .. I know you might say there is no reason .. but everything around us happens for a reason! every action has a reaction (that's science).. Einstein has a famous saying "God does not play dice"
he's a top scientist isn't he?
so why? I can tell you what the Quran says but you wouldn't believe me unless u believe that the Quran is the word of god, so I wont waste our time here.
blakflame1 2 years ago
bottom line here is for all Atheist out there, you believe in electrons yet NO ONE ever seen an electron. what we see is the effect of an electron ! if I tell you that there is no such thing as an electron you would probably laugh at me! although if you show me an electron I would believe with out no doubt that there is an electron! so this is the analogy !
you want me to show you God! I can't see God to show him to you but I can see the effect of God. and the effect of God is LIFE!
blakflame1 2 years ago
God gives us Life! can anything else you know give life? give a soul to something?
make a doll! give it life! let me feel that warmth of life! Let me see it grow , let see it age, then let me see it die!
"037.180 Glory to thy Lord, the Lord of Honour and Power! (He is free) from what they ascribe (to Him)!
037.181 And Peace on the apostles!
037.182 And Praise to God, the Lord and Cherisher of the Worlds."
blakflame1 2 years ago
You're wasting your life worshiping an imaginary being. Your argument would be the same for leprechauns, no one has ever seen one but yet everyone has seen a rainbow and everyone knows that there is a pot of leprechauns gold at the end of every rainbow. You can't prove there are no leprechauns ergo your God is the same as a leprechaun. You cannot disprove that fairies exist therefore your Lord and Cherisher of the worlds is the same as a fairy. You need a better argument.
degseg 2 years ago
do you believe in electrons? and why?
blakflame1 2 years ago
and by the way, I'm 100% sure that the God that you imagine when you close your mind is not what we call God. And he certainly does not look like man, and does not have a white beard .
blakflame1 2 years ago
Oh by the way, I don't close my eyes and imagine God, he does not exist.
YOU imagine God, not I.
degseg 2 years ago
Sorry, I'm not playing that game. You really expect to win the argument that your God exist by using sub atomic particles as an example?
Here's a better one for you, I believe in wind yet I've never seen it. I've felt it, I've seen the effects of it. I've seen it's power.
Damn, I prove your point better than you do. That should tell you something about how flimsy your arguments are.
There is more evidence for wind than there is your fairy God.
degseg 2 years ago
fair enough,
so you believe in wind and you believe in electrons. so can you prove to me that wind or electrons exist? why aren't they like that fairy of yours? why should one believe there is wind?
and I'm glad that when you close your eyes to imagine you see nothing! just like Mulsims :D
but not cuz he does not exist but cuz he is beyond our imagination ;)
blakflame1 2 years ago
also I am sorry if my comments are provocative, I noticed you are older than me so I ought be more respectful in my replies :)
blakflame1 2 years ago
@blakflame1
You want to see an electron? Here you go:
tinyurl . com / see-electron
(remove the spaces)
squ34ky2 2 years ago
blakflame1, Einstein was using the word 'god' as a metaphor for nature. Einstein was a pantheist at best. According to the Qur'an Einstein would be in hell right now. lol!
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slicingwater 1 year ago
I am not going to change my atheistic ways...
According to polls, Christians are more likely to turn atheist than vice versa. But nevermind that; nobody listens to poll results anymore
This isn't about religion here. Just got to say I like your observation and apprecation for nature.
Thing is, do I have to believe a god is a creator to truly appreciate beauty? I don't understand that.
KarakalLynx 2 years ago
As for your reason for believing in God electrigal, I don't think it's a very good one.
the earth's about 4.5 billion yrs old. So let's say it took a very long time for the leaf to come about, and do what it does. If a man worked on the leaf problem for the same amount of time, who's to say he wouldn't be able to invent a mechanism of the same size, which can do the same thing. I think religious people don't understand that ANYTHING is possible given enough time.
JonathanGiann 2 years ago
Religious beliefs are childish.
I could sit down and right a book about how everything started, then give it to some kid, convince him its true, and create a whole new religion. I can't get my head around how irrational religious people must be. There is absolutely no proof of an existence of God. Just get over it, life's not that bad that you need some external force giving you meaning and protecting you. Like many people have already said, your questions have been answered.
JonathanGiann 2 years ago
Yeah you can convince fools of anything. Kind of like Global Warming.
zweg2 2 years ago
"We all know that nature only destroys, nature never actually builds anything."
[sigh] That's the point I knew exactly the level of education I was dealing with here. How the fuck can people beliee this stuff?
Intiom 2 years ago
but the most basic cell is fully understood. I can see how a basic cell could arrange itself.
From this basic cell, all we need is natural selection to do the rest.
The bits that make life, amino acids, lipids, nucleotides, can spontaneously arrtange themselves from basic molecules.
I just dont see creation... sorry.
markgg1 2 years ago
Ive heard the 'watchmaker' argument hundreds of times, except people change it to watches, or computers, or they say they were wealking on a beach, or a jungle.
It isnt a good argumnent because a computer is not living. Living beings reproduce.
If I see a ice crystal which appears because3 of interactions between water molecules, I dont assume it was designed.. I assume it was just a biochemical fact that water freezes in a certain arrangement
markgg1 2 years ago
Hello
I can tell you when I stopped believing in god.
I was around 15, and was being told the storey of Noah's ark. My first thought was, how did the dinousaurs fit on the boat, I assumed the whales didnt need to be on the boat (cause they live in the sea) and I wandered where all the bacteria was.
Than I realised how stupid it all was.
Complex life life trees can be explained by natural selection. How life started? nobody knows for sure, but I am swayed by the RNA wolrd hypothesis
markgg1 2 years ago
your comments are baseless and are ignorant----------you are clearly simple-minded and have no knowledge of science--------go see a psychiatrist
TheEruditepolymath 2 years ago
There is a neat word, one "trillion," used to say "one thousand billion."
Now, for your questions. I am sure you will be happy to know that, about 150 years ago, a man named Charles Darwin answered them. What's more, is that for the past 150 years, scientists and researchers have, again and again, convincingly confirmed and explained his answers.
Uncommonsenseable 2 years ago 2
Have you ever thought about what happens to probability when you set time equal to infinity? It then makes even the most improbable things possible. In the same way that if you leave a monkey at a type writer you will get Hamlet if you give it enough time you will find a Dell computer in the dessert by the same principle
Drake811 2 years ago
misterdeeeep 2 years ago
your an awesome spirit whoever did this video...
love
misterdeeeep 2 years ago
there is a difference between life n technology what!!!
this flesh blood n bone
is the highest tech material known
misterdeeeep 2 years ago
wow thats a point I have never looked at. That is really fascinating. I see your point however I am still a atheist but that is truly a cool point to bring to bear.
Onaga76 2 years ago
Nature does both u idiot?!?!?!? the probability of a computer being in the desert is extremely low... Wow ur a dumb ass... There is a difference between life and technology?
StupYd179 2 years ago
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i love this video !!!!
God bless you
MsBella1024 2 years ago
who created god then ?
michaeleid811 2 years ago
Oh Awesome, they just keep going and going and going. These fun little christian videos provide many laughs to get me through the day. Keep them coming!
michigrish2 2 years ago 3
I'm not christian..
electrigal 2 years ago
@michigrish2 She's Muslim.
241Groundhog 1 year ago
my I.Q dropped 10 points watching this vid
NearCry 2 years ago
You can say it even more simply, that organic life is self replicating.
LouisPlume 2 years ago
computers are inorganic sistems. Brains are organic sistems. Inorganic creations are able to appear in tha natural world. Organic creations appear naturally in nature without beign necessary someone to create them. And their complexity can be explained by simple concept of evolution.
bernardofabrica 2 years ago
you are correct in sayinf humans would have a difficult task building a machine that imitates a tree.
Attributing trees to a supernatural god for this reason is a non-sequitur.
Complex life is not proof for a god, rather a consequence of millions of years of evolution.
ultimatumjs 2 years ago 10
People gather here and peacefully discuss their beliefs, and you come, and you overkill everything with swearing. There's no excuse for that. If you didn't like it, you shouldn't have clicked on it, so you are angered, because of your own stupidity, aren't you?
iluvmindfreak1234567 2 years ago
god is exist !!!
captaint10 2 years ago
HE ALSO DO!!!
BlackieHugeHands 2 years ago
OK first of all thankyou for your kind words child (If you are one).
I don't want to reply because the beuty of your voice doesn't allow me to correct anything, and besides most of my arguments are reflected in comments below at some level.
If all believers were as quiet and thoughtful as you the world would be a much better place.
BurnRoddy 2 years ago
Continuing....
Athiests base their life on what they have evidence or atleast a theory that stands up well to the tests of scientific scrutiny. THe direction you are going in will bring up the even bigger question for you about proving where the incredibly complex being which consciously created the universe came from.
Also, if I saw a computer in a desert, the last thing I would ask is who made it since I know and have the proven factual knowledge of who made it. Your example is flawed.
hydrocarbon65 2 years ago
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iTzJoEXXtheATHIEST 2 years ago
Electricgal,
There are perfectly sound and factually proven explanations about how trees with their leaves and humans with our brains and eyes have evolved from something very simple like a single cell organism to what we are now. Just because something is complicated beyond your understanding you cannot suspend the scientific method of using evidence to formulate a theory to begin to understand life. None of what you say mattes since you have no evidence of a god.
hydrocarbon65 2 years ago 2
Thiesm is just as bad as athiesm, either way both sides are claiming they have the answer. That's why I'm agnostic.
el3m3ntsk8s 2 years ago
atheism is not claiming it has the answer, it is claiming theism is false.
It is admitting gaps in knowledge rather than filling the gaps with the supernatural.
thats my understanding
ultimatumjs 2 years ago 3
I hate how most Christians use the bible as their only reference.
People are not worshiping the god that existed 200 years ago. Nowadays, it's the biggest business ever.
Artyompyandex 2 years ago
You are saying that you know the computer to be designed in contrast to the desert around it that was not designed. Are you therefore saying that the desert was not designed?
herbiepop 2 years ago
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ORIGINS OF GOD(s): 600,000 years ago when man became aware that he was more intelligent than the animals he was hunting. Man created a God to explain things he did not understand. When migration took man to all parts of the Earth, each branch created their own God(s) That's why you have so many different ones to this day! To put it more simply: IMAGINATION CREATED GOD(s)
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12monkeys5 2 years ago
That's so good said 12monkeys5!
But also very scary to see for people. That's surely why your message has been noticed as a spam?
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Rotulette 2 years ago
to the video maker: The camera does not have a blind spot; my eye does. The camera has features to work well in all light conditions , providing its own light while I struggle to see in the dark. The camera can focus light across its entire viewing range to produce an image equally focused and resolute across that range; the best vision of my eye is limited to a tiny fraction of my range. Why is it that the designer of the the camera did a better job than the creator of the human eye?
raythetse 2 years ago
the camera does not work 24/7 for an average of say 70 years without stopping.. :)
electrigal 2 years ago
@electrigal Wrong, just give it energy, as we humans also need...
NorwegianPianist89 1 year ago
This was a bad argument to prove that god exists.
bombarderoazul 2 years ago
Almost all theistic arguments stem from a very narrow, very arrogantly human, perspective. Nature does not only destroy; it is responsible for the environment you find miraculous. Complexity within a system does not equal an intelligent, supervising creator exists. Man made objects are not subject to the properties of evolution. Evolution will lead to a conglomeration of systems that you happen to perceive as complex because you are unable to replicate or understand them.
FellTablet 2 years ago 4
wow good sis =) jazak allahu kheir!!!
Somayyah91 2 years ago
Oh this is so easy! Miss have you ever heard of the watch maker analogy, cause that is what you just used! And do you know what Atheist say to that? Who made the watch maker! Ah, so easy come on that argument has been used since 1802 by William Paley! Through at us something new! Please! You know how annoying it is to answer the same old questions over and over again it's almost if it weren't so funny!
GraveDancer14 2 years ago 3
This is quite possibly the best advice you will get in your whole life, (and non-existent afterlife)
If you actually try to learn, ask questions that actually will further your knowledge, you will receive answers which will give you a much better view on everything, You will ACTUALLY understand, and not just say "Well.. since I dont get it, no one does, so that means GOD did it (WHICH YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE)
I believe you don't care about the truth, you just want to feel good.
LivingLucid 2 years ago
I dont care if you're a fragile little girl.
you made some very horrible logistical arguments.
"Nature only destroys" destruction and creation are just different ways to look at the same event.
If I take a head of lettuce, and I chop it up into bite sized pieces, have I destroyed the head of lettuce? Or created the beginnings of a salad?
Both. Depends on how you look at it.
The destruction of a city due to a hurricane, came at the creation of the hurricane..
Moron.
KnowledgeIsPower.
LivingLucid 2 years ago
Also,I found this on your profile.
"Islam = Love & Peace "
That's very wrong. Islam wants to KILL(not kidding) me because I don't believe in Allah.
Love and peace? More like controlling the masses. Save your bullshit of your gods love for me. I remember being a nice person in my life, helping people out just because they needed my help, not because god told me to, or because I'd have a place in heaven if I do so. But people STILL want to KILL me. FOR MY OPINIONS!!!!
Nebster5000 2 years ago
"Nature only destroys". Not true.
Also, about that computer example. We know for a fact that Humans made the computer. But there is NO evidence that god created the Universe.
I know it may be a little hard for your stupid mind to comprehend, but not everything needs a creator(or else who created your god?). Not everything is on purpose. Science is complicated, that's why it's not for the narrow-minded.
God? Bullshit.
Nebster5000 2 years ago 2
LOL.. i pitty ur ignorance.. go and educate urslef before commenting please :)
electrigal 2 years ago
I pity you're inability to spell..its Atheism by the way, classified as a rejection of Theism, you're central belief..but I disgress.
Could you explain where the dinosaurs came from if Adam and Eve are the beginning of creation?
I mean, without using the pathetic 'God clicked his fingers and they appeared' illogical response.
Blakebong 2 years ago
@electrigal Whats Pitty?
gogman25 1 year ago
@gogman25 i think she means petty, spelling fail on her part lol
teddyTable 1 year ago
@electrigal lmao "go educate urslef before commentating" i think you need to follow your own advice.
teddyTable 1 year ago
@electrigal You “pitty” his ignorance? I think you need to educate “urself”.
thatswhoim 1 year ago
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@electrigal You “pitty” his ignorance? I think you need to educate “urself”.
thatswhoim 1 year ago
I have long believed pretty much the same as this video explains. Think about it - everything that exists (not created by man) is proof that God is real. That is my own opinion. I am not here to judge anyone if they do not believe.
Why do we not see God? I believe it was meant to be that way, until we die. That is where our faith comes in. FYI - I am the furthest from being a religious fanatic. I simply have a very strong faith in God.
dpfan1982 2 years ago
God, WHO??
Zeus, poseidon, Hórus, Thor Odin,Nefetit, Brahma,Shiva, Mars, Venus, etc etc
marcusmartins1974 2 years ago
you and no else including myself can proof or disprove that there is or isn't a god that created us or if we were created by coindence or whatever but why should be worry and obey laws that were created by man about gods and goddesses so that they could control us through striking fear into us. Now why worship something that might or not be there? Why worry about an afterlife that might or might not be there? Why not just live this life as you want to?
intellectualman100 2 years ago
Who created God? How is it exactly that nature only destroys. What is your definition of nature. It sure as heck isn't the one I use.
darwintheuninvolved 3 years ago 3
Mother nature...
hurricanes, earthquakes, tornadoes, etc.
dpfan1982 2 years ago
Computers don't self-replicate, life does - arguments from ignorance wins no nobel prizes, and you are another brain that fails to utilize rationality and logic correctly... Thus you accept islam, and thus i find you worthy of ridicule:
lool, failboat is coming for you - tooot tooot!
GronTheMighty 3 years ago
"Computers don't self-replicate"
Why not?
Some of these so called "experts" thinks that the initial mass (of the big bang "process") created itself...
So if that mass (which was a physical object) was able to create itself, then I cannot see why a computer cannot create itself...
ControversialTruth 3 years ago
Well, you may go ahead and observe your PC and see if another PC pops up next to it at some point, but i think you'll find yourself wasting time rather dubiously because computers are NOT organic...
GronTheMighty 3 years ago 2
Then, who/what created the initial mass of the universe? It cannot create itself... so there must be "something" that had created it... (I think)
ControversialTruth 3 years ago
The argument of non-contingency?
Well, i must admit it is entertaining to some degree - yet still void of any serious amount of discourse ;)
I can presume the matter in the beginning of the universe either created itself, or that it was always there - you can presume it was created by god
In turn i could ask who created god, or did god create himself?
The same answer options would then apply: eternal existence or self-contingency - the step of applying god adds nothing then.
GronTheMighty 3 years ago 2
"the universe either created itself"
Then why I cannot see £100M creating themselves in front of me??
"it was always there"
Just like any other physical object, it cannot be always there. loool how can "experts" believe in such things... yes I know the reason... so that they appear to be "modern" and "intelligent"... which is quite the opposite....
"who created god, or did god create himself?"
It can be but you cannot prove it since God is a non-physical object :)
ControversialTruth 3 years ago
exactly - in fact we cannot say anything for certain about the origin of matter at all 'less it be pure guessing...
GronTheMighty 3 years ago
That is either dogma or pure guesswork my friend.
I'd rather admit to not knowing what caused the universe to come into existence, than asserting a sky-hook answer.
"It can be but you cannot prove it since God is a non-physical object"
...And it can be put to you that you cannot prove the non-existence of non-physical fairies in your underwear drawer!
But I won't resort to that assertion to explain why your knickers keep going missing. The only honest answer is: I DON'T KNOW!
DevJL 2 years ago
No I would tell you that the computer's creater was dell, because it fucking says it on it. If I had a label on me saying made by god, then I would believe it.
hpufo 3 years ago
So... because something very small and simple like a leaf can exist, and serve an important purpose... that means that the only explanation is something big and complex like god?
You're right, it does sound like something someone would think up in middle school. Unfortunately your critical thinking seems not to have progressed at all since then.
The "creation requires a creator" argument has been done better by Ray Comfort and has also been soundly disproven by countless individuals.
kreskinkun 3 years ago
You spell atheism wrong!!! Not a very smort move at all.
loktkey 3 years ago
Not very smort indeed.
irony
THADI0US 3 years ago 2
athiest accept the fact that there are some questions that we simply do not have the answers to. Followers of god on the other hand are unabe to acceot this. They cannot go through life without have an answer to the big questions, and so "god" just fits them all as a generic answer for everything. Eho created the earth? I don't know, but since I can use a telescope to see other planets being formed in the same way evolution says earth was formed, I am more likely to belive in evolution than god.
kellerr13 3 years ago
Nice try. Lets trey the other side of your argument. If god created the universe, are you saying god created the computer? Or was it created by man? I am athiest. I argue, that not everything in the universe was created be evolution, but that does not mean I give credit to "sky bully". Some things evlove, and other things require intelligence (such as computers). The difference between Athiest and followers of god (Islam, Christian, Hindu, Jewdism) etc. etc. is...
kellerr13 3 years ago
If you honestly believed a god created the universe, you'd be a scientist that studied that creation. But instead you study the work of ancient men--because you want their philosophy to be true--because you like it.
But if there actually is a creator, I can't imagine a better way to insult him than by claiming to know what he wants while simultaneously ignoring study of his actual creation--our universe.
ananiasacts 3 years ago
athiesy are stupid they dnt beileive anything u say about god but just wait til there burning in hell then they'll see
rsn3rdz 3 years ago
We're stupid? But for the most part we understand what proper syntax, grammar and spelling look like. I can't believe that someone who cannot even spell the name of the people, "athiesy?" they are trying to insult could even consider their argument valid. If you think we're stupid and you can't spell "don't," just keep the thoughts you have to yourself. And so for those of you that would like to insult my brain at least spell shit right. Your argument is absurd rsn3rdz .
Jeremy1827 3 years ago
The Only Religion that Prays to the Creator directly without giving him any partnership in power is Islam , you don't need to look for a religion.
Islam is a verb which means to submit fully 100% to the creator of everything.
islam4everrr 3 years ago
...besides taking a look at nature. Why cant people just accept nature for being what it is, and not something crafted by some higher power. We have proof of how evolution works (at least some proof) - something to explain how it may have come to be. All that religious people do is stand around and look at it and question.
wrathofzeberdee 3 years ago