Space Age - Antioch Arrow

[sczottb]

that pictures is mine, Columbia South Carolina 1994 I think. Aaron smashed his keyboard that night. :)

[dugoutcanoe]

the red cement i walk on this broken glass song i wish.......

all alligators (all litigators) would get get along..

[griptapesequel]

absolutely this is emo. This is original emo before all the scene kids who thought they were cool because they shoppe at Hot Topic came and fucked it all up.

[xXEmoLyricistXx]

i couldn't agree more, that's what i've been telling people. glad to hear that i'm not alone! lolz...

[ToyBoxMonster]

Actually, this is the original Screamo. Emo was a little earlier and consisted of acts like Embrace (note: there is also a lame britpop band named Embrace. Don't confuse them), Rites of Spring, Gray Matter, etc...

[griptapesequel]

Ok, but you do know that 1.) Screamo is technically not a genre 2.) its a combination of scream and emo because of more metallike screaming going on. Which would make this technically emo, but yes you are right, this is early Screamo.

[ToyBoxMonster]

*sigh*

Screamo bands are influenced by early emo bands (Rites of Spring, etc..). Emo has been used to refer to three categories of bands: the earliest being the above-mentionned, the following being the reinvented indie-emo genre in the 90's (Sunny Day Real Estate,Texas is the Reason, etc), the third being MTV's sad resurrection of the second wave during the 2000s (MCR and the like). Screamo and Emo have always been very distinct genres; (continued...)

[ToyBoxMonster]

While Emo (as of the second wave) has been very a subgenre of rock n roll music, Screamo has always embraced much looser structures, sharing many elements with Grindcore and Post-rock/Math-rock. Screamo is, in fact, a genre term, and was used to refer to bands like Antioch Arrow who belonged to the San Diego music scene in the early 90's. Don't bend genre terms to suit your needs, and don't make up origin stories and definitions for them.

[ToyBoxMonster]

Right. I forgot to mention: one further distinction between emo and screamo resides in the lyrical content of each genre. While Emo lyrics (all three waves) were usually concerned with relationships and other such personal issues, Screamo lyrics were usually much more abstract and were philosophical or existential in nature. The two genres actually bear very little rsemblance to each-other.

[griptapesequel]

I see what you mean, and when put that way Id say you are very much correct, but I wasnt making up anything, theres no need for mudslinging right now, I was just not as knowledgeable as you are I guess, can you take that? Thanx for sharing.

[ToyBoxMonster]

No problem. I'm sorry if that came across as a personal attack; it's just very frustrating to me when poeople make unresearched claims about genre terms, beause it creates the same kind of confusion that's been plaguing the Emo genre over the last few years. Suddenly bands that were emo aren't even acknowledged as such, and all sorts of bands from other genres are being included in the definition, which causes the original genre to kind of lose its place (as both emo and screamo have).

[griptapesequel]

No I hear you. lol

[polarity55]

hey, i can read fourfa and act like an authority on a movement i was never around to personally witness too!

[ToyBoxMonster]

Of course, since no one who is currently alive actually witnessed the penning of the American constitution, everything we know about its origins must be wrong.

[ToyBoxMonster]

Also, what is fourfa? Was that just a spelling mistake?

[ToyBoxMonster]

Never mind. I looked it up.

[emoisgay789]

One thing, there is no such thing as "waves" when talking about emo, the indie-emo and new bull shit like mcr, fob, silverstien, ETC- is not emo

[ToyBoxMonster]

Except, of couse, that one person's stauch refusal to accept the evolution of a genre does not negate its evolution. "Emo" has been widely recognised to have evolved first into the second wave (indie-emo) and now into the third wave and as much as I would love for the genre term "emo" to refer exlusively to first wave bands, it's really not my decision. The genre evolved. Critics recognised it. Bands recognised it. Audiences recognised it. It's not up to either of us to refuse it.

[theverdictlondon]

check your history all genres of music have different waves of music

[aj400ox]

Epic song!!!

[darkandskullz]

so not emo

[hsniscool]

Go to Wikipedia they call this Screamo

[imarobot7]

Who gives a shit; the sound they produced was unbelievable then and now.

[Floydthefuckbag]

I actually don't particularly care for this. Its okay. They've got nothing on Gray Matter.

[criminyjimjims]

This sounds nothing like everything my friends have ever called Screamo in my life, n fact, this is pretty goddamn amazing

[Mozzywoods]

I've never understood the hype for these guys, and Indian Summer. I understand that they are "pioneers" of the genre and all, I've just never liked their music that much.

[darkemokid223]

its not emo its a new genre i just made up: Emopop

[1kkinz]

You dub yourself "emokid" and say Antioch Arrow are pop?

Disgraceful fucking poser.

[darkemokid223]

yeah your right they are not really pop, not quite sure why i wrote that but... what the hey! yeah they are way better than pop oh btw, emotional harcdore is more commonly called screamo not emo

[1kkinz]

Screamo/emo are the same thing. They're both silly bastardised terms.

Hardcore is fine.

[darkemokid223]

screamo and emo is not the same!

are you tryin to tell me that the used and alesana are the same, that taking back sunday and atreyu are the same!

if your gonna say stuff about screamo then at least get it right

[1kkinz]

None of those bands are emo, or screamo.

Listen to some Saetia, Indian Summer, Palatka, real music before you look like a fool.

Dumb ass teenagers and their trends.

[darkemokid223]

Its Those 'Dumb Ass Teenagers' that Buy most of the music so if a 'dumb ass teenager' wants to call alesana screamo then that 'dumb ass teenager' will call alesana 2nd generation screamo, just because they're not the more traditional screamo doesnt mean they are not a mix of hardcore and emo aka screamo

[1kkinz]

Wait, you buy cds so you can label any genre whatever you wish?

[YouGotSandInYoVagina]

He's lost man... just another mindless zombie who takes anything the music media gives to him with intense thought... probably thinks My Chemical Romance is emo too...

[92Mikael]

I take offense to that. :*(

Awesome band+song.

[Forfunaccount]

how gay

[zarn02]

one of the best antioch arrow songs, for sure.

[Sephirottothegreat]

Seghe!

[emptyheadbrokenbones]

perchè?..

[razorbladechicka]

i LOVE this song....best band ever

[greeneyestar]

this is emotionalhardcore..

i love this song so awsome..<3

[charizardsspirit]

yeah short for emo

[friendlybud]

great song thanks for posting this, my fav is probrably lightening bolt

[alocaltragedyx]

wow this song is amazing.

[Talenya]

it's even better on vinyl.

[fourtoedsloth]

Never, ever, ever, ever use the term emotive hardcore again. It makes me cringe.

[indietrash]

you can get it on the discography CD from Gravity. don't remember which vinyl it was on.

anyway, good song indeed. my personal favourite is Teenage Debutante And The Debutante Kid. it kicks arse. especially live.

[alocaltragedyx]

In Love With Jetts/Lady Is A Cat

[arkaic]

hell fucking yeah, this is such a great song, probably my favorite from them.

Pacific specific pacific specific pacific specific

this broken glass song thirty feet below