@wouter064 Because when Mary Magdelane anointed Jesus's head with an expensive perfume, some were offended and told her that she should have given the exspenses for the perfume to the poor instead but Jesus rebuked them and said that what she did was eternally good and the poor was always with them. Despite what Jesus said, Judas then betrayed Him. Also St. Pius X taught that "the honor paid to authority is reflected back on Christ himself who instituted it." from Ecyc. Pascendi
Esta es la Gloria del Hombre. Del hombre mas vil sobre la faz de la tierra: el PAPA. No hay odio, hay estupefacción. Que esto haya sucedido en el pasado es lamentable... pero AUN sucede en el presente. El Papa actual es un nostálgico de los viejos tiempos. Un reaccionario que ambicionó esta posición de poder durante muchos años. Quería ser Papa, y ahí está ya como Papa. Qué vergüenza humana, que falta de moral.
18 And I say to you: That you are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
errata: instead of "lose" must be "loose" as in Holy Gospel of our LORD Jesus Christ according to St. Matthew 16, 15 : "15 Jesus says to them: But whom do you say that I am? 16 Simon Peter answered and said: You are Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answering said to him: Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood has not revealed it to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
Why would you show a raging Modernist Apostate Anti pope like B16 ( a man who denies Vatican I in favor of Vatican II Modernism ) along with a Real Holy Pope ?
BTW JFYI kiwichristian2009 B16 "dislikes" Thomas Aquinas as his writings
are "too closed in " Thus not liberal enough for B16 who was CONVICTED of MODERNISM by Good Pope Pius XII (May the Eternal Light shine upon him )
LEARN YOUR FAITH ! If you can't take the OATH you are not Catholic
Writers on the Canon Law say, "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth." Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V. - Cardinal Cusa supports his statement.
@kiwichristian2009 He is only the representative and vicar of Christ. He is not equal to god. And no Catholic will say that. It is not the teaching of the Catholic Church.
@dawnsunabraham I am just telling you what your cult has said. "For thou art the shepherd, thou art the physician, thou art the director, thou art the husbandman, finally thou art another God on earth."
Labbe and Cossart's 'History of the Councils' Vol. XIV, col. 109.
"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty". Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894
@kiwichristian2009 I can't say anything about Labbe and Cossart because it is out of my reach. But the second quote that you pointed out doesn't imply that Pope = God. The meaning of representative of God is highlighted in the sentence in my opinion. If you can prove that it is not that way and that what you say is correct, I will just say that the pope is wrong. It goes against the first commandment and is against Catholic teaching.
@dawnsunabraham Pope Nicholas assumed the title of God. His words are:—‘I am all in all and above all, so that God Himself, and I, the Vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do . . . Wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God. WHAT CAN YOU MAKE ME BUT GOD? Again, if prelates of the Church be called and counted of Constantine for gods, ...
@kiwichristian2009 Pope Nicholas did not assume the title of God. You are assuming that he did. Your quote needs to be understood correctly. A side note: this reminds me of a Family Guy episode when Peter rattles off chapter, paragraph, verse, and page and simply says the word "the" to support his agrument. Talk about taking something out of context. If one would read the Decret. Par Distinct 96 Ch.7 Edit Lugd. 1661 in it's ENTIRETY one would have a more ACCURATE understanding. Peace be to you!
@dawnsunabraham ... I then, being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be ABOVE ALL GODS. Wherefore, no marvel if it be in my power to dispense with all things, yea, with the precepts of Christ.’ See Decret. Par Distinct 96 Ch. 7 Edit Lugd. 1661.
@kiwichristian2009 heres some sound advice. Trying reading the Summa Theologica written by St.Thomas Aquinas. He's one of the greatest saints of the Catholic Church so I know that you'll take great umbrage from that right-from-the-start, but try to do your best to get over that flaw of yours. Always differ to someone with a greater mind than one's own; otherwise, one might start thinking just how great one's own thoughts are. I have to conform to reality. Even as much as it hurts my pride.
@captainmorgan757 It's no surprise that Hitler was raised in a R. Catholic home. His worldview was essentially a political construct of an absolute theology. That theology was the Roman catholic church's, and Hitler never disavowed it. But why would he? The Easter liturgy during Hitler's regime declared the Jews' "willful obstinacy in the face of truth", particularly in the phrase "perfidious Jews" in the liturgy. The church has massive blood on its hands. And now the child abuse cases.
@captainmorgan757 It appears you like men with a lot of muscles, looking at your profile. In some cases, you have "friended" some men in their teens. PLEASE if you're in the clergy keep your hands to yourself. Get out of the church and get some help. I can see the RC Cathedral from my place in D.C. The Archdiocese has paid millions to abuse victimes. God help them, and god help the roman church. It has become so depraved. If you're gay, stop playing games, and live a healthy lifestyle.
@dsindc sorry to disappoint you. I am into working out and know how difficult it is, for some, to be in incredable shape. I appriciate this fact very much. I shall remain in the Church until my dying day (God willing) and if anyone needs "help" it is truly YOU! Your assumptions are wrong. Thank you for your judgement. May I be dismissed from you courtroom now?
@captainmorgan757 An odd comment. No, I charge much of "their doings" to the church. How ironic that an apologist for the RC church is irritated at the thought of being 'judged'. The RC church makes blanket judgements on entire groups. I find comfort in knowing more and more Roman catholics have simply tuned the church out.
@dsindc and at the same time, more and more are tuning in to the True Church. There have always been problems in the Church since the time of the Apostles, but the Roman Catholic Church has survived, nevertheless, due to the protection of the Holy Spirit. No ordinary institution could have survived what she has. The Scriptures do not say that the powers of Hell will not come against her, merely that Hell will NOT prevail nor destroy her. She's still here...and will be until the end.
@shreve99 Mere survival proves nothing. Islam has survived, as has Hinduism (much longer than the Roman catholic church). As soon as Rome was converted, and Christianity became the state religion, from that point on until the Enlightenment, the Roman and Eastern churches tolerated little dissent. As evidence, I would point to the Inquisitions, the pogroms, Bishop Landa in Mexico slaughtering anyone refusing to convert..the list goes on and on. You must think the Holy Spirit is with the Taliban.
@dsindc Not to be rude, but your evidence, though being factual, proves nothing. The Catholic Church isn't perfect. Not one bit. But you make it seem like the Vatican was in full support of these Inquisitions, which is totally inaccurate. There has been encyclical on encyclical, archive on archive in the Catholic Church that condemn the works of Tomás de Torquemada, Joal III, King Ferdinand of Aragon, and have given apologies to the condemned, especially Galileo. @shreve99, Right on!
@KCspur92 You're not being rude, you're simply wrong. One of the greatest historians of the 20th Century Will Durant is quoted here. I will split this as it's a bit too long for one post. "Will Durant informs us that in 1521 Leo X issued the bull Honestis which "ordered the excommunication of any officials, and the suspension of religious services in any community, that refused to execute, without examination or revision, the sentences of the inquisitors." ( this is the end of part I,)
@dsindc Though factual, this took place during the Reformation era, when Martin Luther was out to spread his rejection of Catholicism. In fact, Leo X had sent letter upon letter to Luther to come to Rome to settle the event. However, Luther denied the requests and continued his work throughout the German states. But, as a whole, Both Leo X and Clement V were terrible Popes and leaders of the Church, which the Vatican blatantly claims and I understand that. Don't see how I'm wrong...
@KCspur92 ( part II ) Durant continues "Consider Clement V's rebuke of King Edward II: "We hear that you forbid torture as contrary to the laws of your land. But no state law can override canon law, our law. Therefore I command you at once to submit those men to torture.I" Source, Peter Ruckerman Ph.D. Yes the church always seems to commit horrific crimes, then in an almost neurotic manner move the the "mea culpa" phase. There are many more examples of the above.
@dsindc Yes this did in fact happen. However, the Church had little power compared to the French monarchy under King Phillip IV. As a result, Clement V became the King's puppet. King Phillip wanted the Templars from the Pope, who had no intention of doing either. Unfortunately, as irresolved as he was, Clement gave into the pressure of the French and carried out the deed. However, on Sept 13, 1309, Clement held a council to give apologies and absolution of the Templars after the events.
@KCspur92 It appears we have something in common- I'm from Kansas City too. Attended KU, the graduate school at UMKC. With all respect I suggest you spend time in a library. Will Durant who with his wife wrote massive amounts of now considered classic works on European history would be a good starting point. But your assertion of a contrite Vatican is a bit humorous. Here is another example (part III )
@dsindc Also, I'm not from Kansas City. Lol, I'm from Western Nebraska. However, my mom and grandparents grew up in Kansas and are diehard Chiefs fans, as am I. I attended a semester at UNK and have am now attending a community college to major in Physics and Meteorology. I am a faithful Catholic and yes, I have read my history, but you may have misinterpreted my argument. When I said "The Vatican doesn't support the Inquisitions", I meant "Vatican archives", not the Pope.
@KCspur92 Well, no need not to be civil. I do think however that you're either ill informed, or you're being disingenuous. I'll repeat this "Will Durant informs us that in 1521 Leo X issued the bull Honestis which "ordered the excommunication of any officials, and the suspension of religious services in any community, that refused to execute, without examination or revision, the sentences of the inquisitors." I don't understand your last sentence at all. The sentence is dysfunctional.
@dsindc When I place a * in front of a message space, it signifies that I'm correcting a sentence within a comment text. Sorry if you were confused. As for the latter of your comment, you don't need to repeat yourself. I understand the text. In fact, its placed in the Catholic Encyclopedia online. In fact, the writing on Leo X is very contradictory of his leadership, quoting many negative opinions of Cardinals during his papacy. Needless to say, I'm not oblivious to his actions.
@KCspur92 A Jesuit priest friend of mine once said in reference to Opus Dei, "the pope IS Opus Dei". If a small placque saying in Latin "the buck stops here", it could be put on any pope's desk. The pope cannot take one position, and the church another. What do the "Archives" have to do with anything. As for Martin Luther, he never 'rejected' the church. He wanted to restore its catholicity. As for Galileo, of course he's buried in a (church actually). The church kept him under house arrest.
@dsindc Yes, you are right. If I'm correct, he is buried in a Basilica in Florence. Next, conflict between the Magisterium and the Pope, whether controversial or not, is not uncommon during Papacy. There will always be disagreements on certain issues. However, the one thing that the Pope should NEVER disagree on is the Teachings of Jesus, which is Church Doctrine. This is the "infallibility of the Pope." To keep true and perfect to Jesus' teachings. (part 1)
@KCspur92 This is simply not true. The pope IS the Magisterium. The friend I alluded to, the Jesuit was thrown out of the order for his advocacy of certain "controversial" issues, and that was part of a sort of cleansing dictated by the last pope. If any bishop, cardinal, anyone disagrees with a living pope, they had damn well better keep it to themselves. The Roman church is NOT a democracy. As for the archives, hold on there just a minute. We need some history.. (cont)
@dsindc To clear things up. I apologize. I meant Holy See, not Magisterium. As a Catholic, Its quite easy to mix terms when ultimately they represent entirely different aspects of the Church. Simple mistake. But, to say that a Cardinal, Bishop, or Priest disagreeing with the Pope publicly means harsh consequence is not true. Cardinal Maffeo Barberini disagreed with the Pope's stance on Galileo's discovery, and he eventually became Pope Urban VIII.
@KCspur92 The claims of the Roman catholic church, the Petrine theory, are highly controversial. Teaching them does not make them true. The first three centuries of the church are shrouded in mystery. I suspect the Orthodox would have serious problems with your position. As for the infallibility of the pope, something Orthodox, Anglicans and Protestants reject, it has led to serious doctrinal problems, and revealed the true nature of the R.C. church- it's a human institution. Period. (cont)
@dsindc Well, this "position" caused The Great Schism, did it not? The Pope is directly rooted to the time of Peter who, from the Bible comprised together from the Hebrew/Christian/Non-religious scribes in 382 AD during The Council of Rome, had a distinguished leadership with the Apostles in the 4 Gospels and the book of Acts, and was eventually succeeded by Linus in 67 AD, and Clement I in 99 AD. Truth is Truth.
@KCspur92 Yes indeed !! The Orthodox, and Anglicans consider the pope to be what he is.. the Bishop of Rome. Period. The first 4 centuries of the Christian church are hardly in clear focus. Much of what the Roman church paints as fact is in fact self serving assumption. I would suggest you take as many courses in theology as you can at university. You will get an objective analysis and form a more truthful understanding of the roots of Christianity.
@dsindc To lead from my last point, the infallibility of the Pope wasn't the only aspect that caused the Schism. The entire reason is much more complicated. Second, This is indeed true, the true historical proof of who was Bishop of Rome after Peter is still shaky at best. The Oxford Dictionary of Popes claims that it was between Linus and Cletus, who went off to perform Priestly service in private practice. Whatever the uncertainty, there is proof of succession after Peter regardless.
@KCspur92 Now my friend, you're losing control of your own argument. If you have your own doubts regarding the "succession" following Peter. You say first "the true historical proof of who was Bishop of Rome after Peter is still shaky at best". Then you conclude, "there is proof of succession after Peter regardless". You contradict yourself. I am leaving this argument with some advise again. Gain as much as you can in college. Take courses in religion with a neutral secular outlook.
@dsindc If by some measure, the Pope DOES deny any of Jesus' Teachings (which Martin Luther did through 41 of his 95 theses. The latter of them merely could've been easy fixes in his German State Diocese.) His infallibility is stripped along with his Papacy. This situation, however, has never occurred in the long line of Popes. Only 3 Popes came close to Impeachment: Clement V, Leo X, and possibly Alexander V. They did not publicly deny Church Doctrine, but still were horrible leaders.
@dsindc As for the "Archives", The Vatican library contains a vast amount of writings dating from the time of St. Peter to our present time with Benedict XVI. With this history, plentiful information about each and every Pope is stored in these writings and archives, each giving pros and cons concerning the Papal men. True Catholic history is in no sense a biased reference. They are written with gory detail down to the very last punctuation mark. I highly recommend their readings.
@KCspur92 "The church denounced Galileo's theory as dangerous to the faith, but Galileo defied its warnings. Tried as a heretic in 1633 and forced to recant, he was sentenced to life imprisonment, later changed to house arrest.
The Church has for years been striving to shed its reputation for being hostile to science, in part by producing top-notch research out of its own telescope."
This is the end of part IV, from CBS News Tech, 2/11/09 at the 400th ann. of Galileo's death.(cont)
In 1992, Pope John Paul II declared that the ruling against Galileo was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension."
But that apparently wasn't enough. In January, Benedict canceled a speech at Rome's La Sapienza University after a group of professors, citing the Galileo episode and depicting Benedict as a religious figure opposed to science, argued that he shouldn't speak at a public university."
What you are doing is historic revisionism. It doesn't work.
@dsindc 1. Yes, the error was a "tragic mutual incomprehension". The Church didn't reject science, however, the Pope and many other Bishops took the scripture of Psalm too literally while Galileo, who is buried in a French sacristy btw, took the Augustinian approach, which was more accurate. In this regard, John Paul II was right that it was a tragic mutual incomprehension because the Church made mistook scripture, and made Galileo suffer. But like before, the Church isn't perfect.
@dsindc 2. Yes, Benedict did cancel the speech. This happened because 63 (out of 4500, which being rather small, was still significant) professors at La Sapienza University signed a petition rejecting the visitation of the Pope. Even after this event, Benedict still sent the speech to the University, as it still had plans for visitations from other Church ministers. Plus, this petition was signed during a death penalty campaign and would've sparked a mass amount of controversy.
@shreve99 It appears you haven't traveled much in Europe. I'd suggest a trip to Prague. Make sure you visit the monument to Jan Huss, the reformer. The holy spirit evidently led the church to burn the poor man at the stake. Look, facts are facts, the church is fading in the industrialized world, and it is showing massive signs of corruption. If you want to identify with this crowd fine. But cut the historic revisionism.
@kiwichristian2009 Also you have to understand that these are English translations. So the basic meaning that they convey is different than what you think it is.
@kiwichristian2009 and a priest is an "alter Christus" another Christ. Our Lord is using man as His instrument to dispense the Sacraments of His Holy Church. We are to be His instruments; He is not to be ours. If one would approach this matter with pure conviction of understanding the truth, then one would be defending the truth instead of spreading half-truths (i.e. lies). This is a master-stroke of satan. Only to tell some of the truth and distorte the rest with lies. Kiwi, you clever minion
@kiwichristian2009 "whatsoever you bound on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatsoever you lose on earth it shall be losed in heaven" Our Lord Jesus Christ to the first pope (Peter). Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself is conferring great power to the papal throne. If God did not want it this way, then why did He give such authority to the papacy? One must understand sacred scripture correctly or one will become, well, a person such as yourself. I pray that you'll overcome this hellish sickness.
@captainmorgan757 15 Dicit illis Jesus : Vos autem, quem me esse dicitis? 16 Respondens Simon Petrus dixit : Tu es Christus, Filius Dei vivi. 17 Respondens autem Jesus, dixit ei : Beatus es Simon Bar Jona : quia caro et sanguis non revelavit tibi, sed Pater meus, qui in cælis est. 18 Et ego dico tibi, quia tu es Petrus, et super hanc petram ædificabo Ecclesiam meam, et portæ inferi non prævalebunt adversus eam.
@captainmorgan757 19 Et tibi dabo claves regni cælorum. Et quodcumque ligaveris super terram, erit ligatum et in cælis : et quodcumque solveris super terram, erit solutum et in cælis.
@captainmorgan757 Dear Mr. Captain. I read your posts with great sadness upon my return from in France where the church is on life support. Your dogmatic rants illustrate why. William James declared the great "sin of religion", the identification of ones religious tradition with God. EG the example of the Roman church, the church and its teachings are one with the mind of God. In any tradition, this is dangerous, evil. It is no different with Islam. Religion is a vehicle, it is not God.
Why did this pope act like an emperor? Did Christ ever wear such an expensive tiara?
Why can,t the pope be humble and simple like Christ?
wouter064 1 month ago
@wouter064 Because when Mary Magdelane anointed Jesus's head with an expensive perfume, some were offended and told her that she should have given the exspenses for the perfume to the poor instead but Jesus rebuked them and said that what she did was eternally good and the poor was always with them. Despite what Jesus said, Judas then betrayed Him. Also St. Pius X taught that "the honor paid to authority is reflected back on Christ himself who instituted it." from Ecyc. Pascendi
MrVeto111 1 month ago
@MrVeto111 bullshit
wouter064 1 month ago
Long live the SSPX ! Glory to Mgr. Lefebvre ! He saved our souls, the true sacraments, the true Mass of allways !
3MostHolyTrinity3 1 month ago
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Esta es la Gloria del Hombre. Del hombre mas vil sobre la faz de la tierra: el PAPA. No hay odio, hay estupefacción. Que esto haya sucedido en el pasado es lamentable... pero AUN sucede en el presente. El Papa actual es un nostálgico de los viejos tiempos. Un reaccionario que ambicionó esta posición de poder durante muchos años. Quería ser Papa, y ahí está ya como Papa. Qué vergüenza humana, que falta de moral.
MrNigara 1 month ago
Che voce da checca!
cianurus 2 months ago
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18 And I say to you: That you are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
CorpusChristi777Amen 3 months ago
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errata: instead of "lose" must be "loose" as in Holy Gospel of our LORD Jesus Christ according to St. Matthew 16, 15 : "15 Jesus says to them: But whom do you say that I am? 16 Simon Peter answered and said: You are Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answering said to him: Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood has not revealed it to you, but my Father who is in heaven.
CorpusChristi777Amen 3 months ago
Che voce sgradevolissima!
cianurus 4 months ago
Pius XII is the last traditional Catholic pope.
nelsonvandyk 4 months ago
Why would you show a raging Modernist Apostate Anti pope like B16 ( a man who denies Vatican I in favor of Vatican II Modernism ) along with a Real Holy Pope ?
BTW JFYI kiwichristian2009 B16 "dislikes" Thomas Aquinas as his writings
are "too closed in " Thus not liberal enough for B16 who was CONVICTED of MODERNISM by Good Pope Pius XII (May the Eternal Light shine upon him )
LEARN YOUR FAITH ! If you can't take the OATH you are not Catholic
SAYYOURROSARY 5 months ago
Writers on the Canon Law say, "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth." Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V. - Cardinal Cusa supports his statement.
kiwichristian2009 1 year ago
@kiwichristian2009 He is only the representative and vicar of Christ. He is not equal to god. And no Catholic will say that. It is not the teaching of the Catholic Church.
dawnsunabraham 8 months ago
@dawnsunabraham I am just telling you what your cult has said. "For thou art the shepherd, thou art the physician, thou art the director, thou art the husbandman, finally thou art another God on earth."
Labbe and Cossart's 'History of the Councils' Vol. XIV, col. 109.
"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty". Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894
kiwichristian2009 8 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 I can't say anything about Labbe and Cossart because it is out of my reach. But the second quote that you pointed out doesn't imply that Pope = God. The meaning of representative of God is highlighted in the sentence in my opinion. If you can prove that it is not that way and that what you say is correct, I will just say that the pope is wrong. It goes against the first commandment and is against Catholic teaching.
dawnsunabraham 8 months ago
@dawnsunabraham Pope Nicholas assumed the title of God. His words are:—‘I am all in all and above all, so that God Himself, and I, the Vicar of God, hath both one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do . . . Wherefore, if those things that I do be said not to be done of man, but of God. WHAT CAN YOU MAKE ME BUT GOD? Again, if prelates of the Church be called and counted of Constantine for gods, ...
kiwichristian2009 8 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 Pope Nicholas did not assume the title of God. You are assuming that he did. Your quote needs to be understood correctly. A side note: this reminds me of a Family Guy episode when Peter rattles off chapter, paragraph, verse, and page and simply says the word "the" to support his agrument. Talk about taking something out of context. If one would read the Decret. Par Distinct 96 Ch.7 Edit Lugd. 1661 in it's ENTIRETY one would have a more ACCURATE understanding. Peace be to you!
captainmorgan757 6 months ago
@dawnsunabraham ... I then, being above all prelates, seem by this reason to be ABOVE ALL GODS. Wherefore, no marvel if it be in my power to dispense with all things, yea, with the precepts of Christ.’ See Decret. Par Distinct 96 Ch. 7 Edit Lugd. 1661.
kiwichristian2009 8 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 heres some sound advice. Trying reading the Summa Theologica written by St.Thomas Aquinas. He's one of the greatest saints of the Catholic Church so I know that you'll take great umbrage from that right-from-the-start, but try to do your best to get over that flaw of yours. Always differ to someone with a greater mind than one's own; otherwise, one might start thinking just how great one's own thoughts are. I have to conform to reality. Even as much as it hurts my pride.
captainmorgan757 6 months ago
@captainmorgan757 It's no surprise that Hitler was raised in a R. Catholic home. His worldview was essentially a political construct of an absolute theology. That theology was the Roman catholic church's, and Hitler never disavowed it. But why would he? The Easter liturgy during Hitler's regime declared the Jews' "willful obstinacy in the face of truth", particularly in the phrase "perfidious Jews" in the liturgy. The church has massive blood on its hands. And now the child abuse cases.
dsindc 2 months ago
@captainmorgan757 It appears you like men with a lot of muscles, looking at your profile. In some cases, you have "friended" some men in their teens. PLEASE if you're in the clergy keep your hands to yourself. Get out of the church and get some help. I can see the RC Cathedral from my place in D.C. The Archdiocese has paid millions to abuse victimes. God help them, and god help the roman church. It has become so depraved. If you're gay, stop playing games, and live a healthy lifestyle.
dsindc 2 months ago
@dsindc sorry to disappoint you. I am into working out and know how difficult it is, for some, to be in incredable shape. I appriciate this fact very much. I shall remain in the Church until my dying day (God willing) and if anyone needs "help" it is truly YOU! Your assumptions are wrong. Thank you for your judgement. May I be dismissed from you courtroom now?
captainmorgan757 2 months ago
@dsindc charge their doings to them; not me!
captainmorgan757 2 months ago
@captainmorgan757 An odd comment. No, I charge much of "their doings" to the church. How ironic that an apologist for the RC church is irritated at the thought of being 'judged'. The RC church makes blanket judgements on entire groups. I find comfort in knowing more and more Roman catholics have simply tuned the church out.
dsindc 2 months ago
@dsindc and at the same time, more and more are tuning in to the True Church. There have always been problems in the Church since the time of the Apostles, but the Roman Catholic Church has survived, nevertheless, due to the protection of the Holy Spirit. No ordinary institution could have survived what she has. The Scriptures do not say that the powers of Hell will not come against her, merely that Hell will NOT prevail nor destroy her. She's still here...and will be until the end.
shreve99 1 month ago
@shreve99 Mere survival proves nothing. Islam has survived, as has Hinduism (much longer than the Roman catholic church). As soon as Rome was converted, and Christianity became the state religion, from that point on until the Enlightenment, the Roman and Eastern churches tolerated little dissent. As evidence, I would point to the Inquisitions, the pogroms, Bishop Landa in Mexico slaughtering anyone refusing to convert..the list goes on and on. You must think the Holy Spirit is with the Taliban.
dsindc 1 month ago
@dsindc Not to be rude, but your evidence, though being factual, proves nothing. The Catholic Church isn't perfect. Not one bit. But you make it seem like the Vatican was in full support of these Inquisitions, which is totally inaccurate. There has been encyclical on encyclical, archive on archive in the Catholic Church that condemn the works of Tomás de Torquemada, Joal III, King Ferdinand of Aragon, and have given apologies to the condemned, especially Galileo. @shreve99, Right on!
KCspur92 1 month ago
@KCspur92 You're not being rude, you're simply wrong. One of the greatest historians of the 20th Century Will Durant is quoted here. I will split this as it's a bit too long for one post. "Will Durant informs us that in 1521 Leo X issued the bull Honestis which "ordered the excommunication of any officials, and the suspension of religious services in any community, that refused to execute, without examination or revision, the sentences of the inquisitors." ( this is the end of part I,)
dsindc 1 month ago
@dsindc Though factual, this took place during the Reformation era, when Martin Luther was out to spread his rejection of Catholicism. In fact, Leo X had sent letter upon letter to Luther to come to Rome to settle the event. However, Luther denied the requests and continued his work throughout the German states. But, as a whole, Both Leo X and Clement V were terrible Popes and leaders of the Church, which the Vatican blatantly claims and I understand that. Don't see how I'm wrong...
KCspur92 1 month ago
@KCspur92 ( part II ) Durant continues "Consider Clement V's rebuke of King Edward II: "We hear that you forbid torture as contrary to the laws of your land. But no state law can override canon law, our law. Therefore I command you at once to submit those men to torture.I" Source, Peter Ruckerman Ph.D. Yes the church always seems to commit horrific crimes, then in an almost neurotic manner move the the "mea culpa" phase. There are many more examples of the above.
dsindc 1 month ago
@dsindc Yes this did in fact happen. However, the Church had little power compared to the French monarchy under King Phillip IV. As a result, Clement V became the King's puppet. King Phillip wanted the Templars from the Pope, who had no intention of doing either. Unfortunately, as irresolved as he was, Clement gave into the pressure of the French and carried out the deed. However, on Sept 13, 1309, Clement held a council to give apologies and absolution of the Templars after the events.
KCspur92 1 month ago
@KCspur92 *wanted the Templars dead
KCspur92 1 month ago
@KCspur92 It appears we have something in common- I'm from Kansas City too. Attended KU, the graduate school at UMKC. With all respect I suggest you spend time in a library. Will Durant who with his wife wrote massive amounts of now considered classic works on European history would be a good starting point. But your assertion of a contrite Vatican is a bit humorous. Here is another example (part III )
dsindc 1 month ago
@dsindc Also, I'm not from Kansas City. Lol, I'm from Western Nebraska. However, my mom and grandparents grew up in Kansas and are diehard Chiefs fans, as am I. I attended a semester at UNK and have am now attending a community college to major in Physics and Meteorology. I am a faithful Catholic and yes, I have read my history, but you may have misinterpreted my argument. When I said "The Vatican doesn't support the Inquisitions", I meant "Vatican archives", not the Pope.
KCspur92 1 month ago
@KCspur92 Well, no need not to be civil. I do think however that you're either ill informed, or you're being disingenuous. I'll repeat this "Will Durant informs us that in 1521 Leo X issued the bull Honestis which "ordered the excommunication of any officials, and the suspension of religious services in any community, that refused to execute, without examination or revision, the sentences of the inquisitors." I don't understand your last sentence at all. The sentence is dysfunctional.
dsindc 1 month ago
@dsindc When I place a * in front of a message space, it signifies that I'm correcting a sentence within a comment text. Sorry if you were confused. As for the latter of your comment, you don't need to repeat yourself. I understand the text. In fact, its placed in the Catholic Encyclopedia online. In fact, the writing on Leo X is very contradictory of his leadership, quoting many negative opinions of Cardinals during his papacy. Needless to say, I'm not oblivious to his actions.
KCspur92 1 month ago
@KCspur92 A Jesuit priest friend of mine once said in reference to Opus Dei, "the pope IS Opus Dei". If a small placque saying in Latin "the buck stops here", it could be put on any pope's desk. The pope cannot take one position, and the church another. What do the "Archives" have to do with anything. As for Martin Luther, he never 'rejected' the church. He wanted to restore its catholicity. As for Galileo, of course he's buried in a (church actually). The church kept him under house arrest.
dsindc 1 month ago
@dsindc Yes, you are right. If I'm correct, he is buried in a Basilica in Florence. Next, conflict between the Magisterium and the Pope, whether controversial or not, is not uncommon during Papacy. There will always be disagreements on certain issues. However, the one thing that the Pope should NEVER disagree on is the Teachings of Jesus, which is Church Doctrine. This is the "infallibility of the Pope." To keep true and perfect to Jesus' teachings. (part 1)
KCspur92 1 month ago
@KCspur92 This is simply not true. The pope IS the Magisterium. The friend I alluded to, the Jesuit was thrown out of the order for his advocacy of certain "controversial" issues, and that was part of a sort of cleansing dictated by the last pope. If any bishop, cardinal, anyone disagrees with a living pope, they had damn well better keep it to themselves. The Roman church is NOT a democracy. As for the archives, hold on there just a minute. We need some history.. (cont)
dsindc 1 month ago
@dsindc To clear things up. I apologize. I meant Holy See, not Magisterium. As a Catholic, Its quite easy to mix terms when ultimately they represent entirely different aspects of the Church. Simple mistake. But, to say that a Cardinal, Bishop, or Priest disagreeing with the Pope publicly means harsh consequence is not true. Cardinal Maffeo Barberini disagreed with the Pope's stance on Galileo's discovery, and he eventually became Pope Urban VIII.
KCspur92 1 month ago
@KCspur92 The claims of the Roman catholic church, the Petrine theory, are highly controversial. Teaching them does not make them true. The first three centuries of the church are shrouded in mystery. I suspect the Orthodox would have serious problems with your position. As for the infallibility of the pope, something Orthodox, Anglicans and Protestants reject, it has led to serious doctrinal problems, and revealed the true nature of the R.C. church- it's a human institution. Period. (cont)
dsindc 1 month ago
@dsindc Well, this "position" caused The Great Schism, did it not? The Pope is directly rooted to the time of Peter who, from the Bible comprised together from the Hebrew/Christian/Non-religious scribes in 382 AD during The Council of Rome, had a distinguished leadership with the Apostles in the 4 Gospels and the book of Acts, and was eventually succeeded by Linus in 67 AD, and Clement I in 99 AD. Truth is Truth.
KCspur92 1 month ago
@KCspur92 Yes indeed !! The Orthodox, and Anglicans consider the pope to be what he is.. the Bishop of Rome. Period. The first 4 centuries of the Christian church are hardly in clear focus. Much of what the Roman church paints as fact is in fact self serving assumption. I would suggest you take as many courses in theology as you can at university. You will get an objective analysis and form a more truthful understanding of the roots of Christianity.
dsindc 1 month ago
@dsindc To lead from my last point, the infallibility of the Pope wasn't the only aspect that caused the Schism. The entire reason is much more complicated. Second, This is indeed true, the true historical proof of who was Bishop of Rome after Peter is still shaky at best. The Oxford Dictionary of Popes claims that it was between Linus and Cletus, who went off to perform Priestly service in private practice. Whatever the uncertainty, there is proof of succession after Peter regardless.
KCspur92 1 month ago
@KCspur92 Now my friend, you're losing control of your own argument. If you have your own doubts regarding the "succession" following Peter. You say first "the true historical proof of who was Bishop of Rome after Peter is still shaky at best". Then you conclude, "there is proof of succession after Peter regardless". You contradict yourself. I am leaving this argument with some advise again. Gain as much as you can in college. Take courses in religion with a neutral secular outlook.
dsindc 1 month ago
@dsindc Not sure how I'm contradicting myself, but alright then.
KCspur92 1 month ago
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@dsindc If by some measure, the Pope DOES deny any of Jesus' Teachings (which Martin Luther did through 41 of his 95 theses. The latter of them merely could've been easy fixes in his German State Diocese.) His infallibility is stripped along with his Papacy. This situation, however, has never occurred in the long line of Popes. Only 3 Popes came close to Impeachment: Clement V, Leo X, and possibly Alexander V. They did not publicly deny Church Doctrine, but still were horrible leaders.
KCspur92 1 month ago
@dsindc As for the "Archives", The Vatican library contains a vast amount of writings dating from the time of St. Peter to our present time with Benedict XVI. With this history, plentiful information about each and every Pope is stored in these writings and archives, each giving pros and cons concerning the Papal men. True Catholic history is in no sense a biased reference. They are written with gory detail down to the very last punctuation mark. I highly recommend their readings.
KCspur92 1 month ago
@KCspur92 "The church denounced Galileo's theory as dangerous to the faith, but Galileo defied its warnings. Tried as a heretic in 1633 and forced to recant, he was sentenced to life imprisonment, later changed to house arrest.
The Church has for years been striving to shed its reputation for being hostile to science, in part by producing top-notch research out of its own telescope."
This is the end of part IV, from CBS News Tech, 2/11/09 at the 400th ann. of Galileo's death.(cont)
dsindc 1 month ago
@KCspur92
In 1992, Pope John Paul II declared that the ruling against Galileo was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension."
But that apparently wasn't enough. In January, Benedict canceled a speech at Rome's La Sapienza University after a group of professors, citing the Galileo episode and depicting Benedict as a religious figure opposed to science, argued that he shouldn't speak at a public university."
What you are doing is historic revisionism. It doesn't work.
dsindc 1 month ago
@dsindc 1. Yes, the error was a "tragic mutual incomprehension". The Church didn't reject science, however, the Pope and many other Bishops took the scripture of Psalm too literally while Galileo, who is buried in a French sacristy btw, took the Augustinian approach, which was more accurate. In this regard, John Paul II was right that it was a tragic mutual incomprehension because the Church made mistook scripture, and made Galileo suffer. But like before, the Church isn't perfect.
KCspur92 1 month ago
@KCspur92 *French monastary, not sacristy. Excuse me.
KCspur92 1 month ago
@dsindc 2. Yes, Benedict did cancel the speech. This happened because 63 (out of 4500, which being rather small, was still significant) professors at La Sapienza University signed a petition rejecting the visitation of the Pope. Even after this event, Benedict still sent the speech to the University, as it still had plans for visitations from other Church ministers. Plus, this petition was signed during a death penalty campaign and would've sparked a mass amount of controversy.
KCspur92 1 month ago
@shreve99 It appears you haven't traveled much in Europe. I'd suggest a trip to Prague. Make sure you visit the monument to Jan Huss, the reformer. The holy spirit evidently led the church to burn the poor man at the stake. Look, facts are facts, the church is fading in the industrialized world, and it is showing massive signs of corruption. If you want to identify with this crowd fine. But cut the historic revisionism.
dsindc 1 month ago
@kiwichristian2009 Also you have to understand that these are English translations. So the basic meaning that they convey is different than what you think it is.
dawnsunabraham 8 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 and a priest is an "alter Christus" another Christ. Our Lord is using man as His instrument to dispense the Sacraments of His Holy Church. We are to be His instruments; He is not to be ours. If one would approach this matter with pure conviction of understanding the truth, then one would be defending the truth instead of spreading half-truths (i.e. lies). This is a master-stroke of satan. Only to tell some of the truth and distorte the rest with lies. Kiwi, you clever minion
captainmorgan757 6 months ago
@dawnsunabraham But until God comes down from heaven and contradicts him, how will we know the difference?
mindspring57 8 months ago
@kiwichristian2009 "whatsoever you bound on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatsoever you lose on earth it shall be losed in heaven" Our Lord Jesus Christ to the first pope (Peter). Our Lord Jesus Christ Himself is conferring great power to the papal throne. If God did not want it this way, then why did He give such authority to the papacy? One must understand sacred scripture correctly or one will become, well, a person such as yourself. I pray that you'll overcome this hellish sickness.
captainmorgan757 6 months ago
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CorpusChristi777Amen 3 months ago
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CorpusChristi777Amen 3 months ago
@captainmorgan757 15 Dicit illis Jesus : Vos autem, quem me esse dicitis? 16 Respondens Simon Petrus dixit : Tu es Christus, Filius Dei vivi. 17 Respondens autem Jesus, dixit ei : Beatus es Simon Bar Jona : quia caro et sanguis non revelavit tibi, sed Pater meus, qui in cælis est. 18 Et ego dico tibi, quia tu es Petrus, et super hanc petram ædificabo Ecclesiam meam, et portæ inferi non prævalebunt adversus eam.
CorpusChristi777Amen 3 months ago
@captainmorgan757 19 Et tibi dabo claves regni cælorum. Et quodcumque ligaveris super terram, erit ligatum et in cælis : et quodcumque solveris super terram, erit solutum et in cælis.
CorpusChristi777Amen 3 months ago
@captainmorgan757 15 λέγει αὐτοῖς: ὑμεῖς δὲ τίνα με λέγετε εἶναι; 16 ἀποκριθεὶς δὲ Σίμων Πέτρος εἶπεν: σὺ εἶ ὁ Χριστὸς ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ ζῶντος. 17 ἀποκριθεὶς δὲ ὁ Ἰησοῦς εἶπεν αὐτῷ: μακάριος εἶ, Σίμων Βαριωνᾶ, ὅτι σὰρξ καὶ αἷμα οὐκ ἀπεκάλυψέν σοι ἀλλ' ὁ πατήρ μου ὁ ἐν [τοῖς] οὐρανοῖς.
CorpusChristi777Amen 3 months ago
Respond to this video... 18 κἀγὼ δέ σοι λέγω ὅτι σὺ εἶ Πέτρος, καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ οἰκοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐκκλησίαν, καὶ πύλαι ᾅδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς. 19 δώσω σοι τὰς κλεῖδας τῆς βασιλείας τῶν οὐρανῶν, καὶ ὃ ἐὰν δήσῃς ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς ἔσται δεδεμένον ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς, καὶ ὃ ἐὰν λύσῃς ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς ἔσται λελυμένον ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς. 20 τότε ἐπετίμησεν τοῖς μαθηταῖς ἵνα μηδενὶ εἴπωσιν ὅτι αὐτός ἐστιν ὁ Χριστός.
CorpusChristi777Amen 3 months ago
@captainmorgan757 Dear Mr. Captain. I read your posts with great sadness upon my return from in France where the church is on life support. Your dogmatic rants illustrate why. William James declared the great "sin of religion", the identification of ones religious tradition with God. EG the example of the Roman church, the church and its teachings are one with the mind of God. In any tradition, this is dangerous, evil. It is no different with Islam. Religion is a vehicle, it is not God.
dsindc 2 months ago