I feel you have to examine someone's intention. Bill Cosby was preaching self-responsibility - the same thing Louis Farakhan preaches. Dyson's attacks on him were bogus. Sorry. And Cosby endorsed pudding pops. That's hardly perpetuating consumer culture which the rap community constantly does. His attack of Cosby was just a waste of time and phony. Dyson is brilliant but I don't trust him. He wouldn't have had the balls to take on Minister Farakhan. Sorry. That's my opinion.
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Motown you should to Dyson he is a pure d hack academic, and thats it. he writes about what others do or did, no predictions, no solutions, no revolution...he is complete and utter bullshit tell I said so.
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sorry Dyson I will never listen to you over Bill Cosby! You a straight up clown and feeding people lies!! Your book "Know What I Mean?" SUCK!! And stop riding Jay-Z dick!! that is all you talk about is Jay-Z Jay-Z Jay-Z in that damn book!! So I'm with Bill Cosby on giving you the finger too! And stop acting like you "hip"/young! DUDE YOU ARE TOO OLD FOR THAT!!
@mrsbethea i agree with u i read that book and he do say jay-z a lot lol and he gives thanks to him first in the special thanks lol smh i think that nigga gay lmao
And there's no greater example than Michael Eric Dyson
((((What is bullshit about Dyson's ideologies?))))
The notion that everything bad and wrong in the black community is white people's fault and that we shouldn't be held accountable for anything. I could go on and on if I wanted.
One wonders why Dyson is concerned about Whites who according to him (he never says which Whites or how many or where they live, etc-) already have stereotypes. Unless he's accusing Cosby of comforting them as motivation; who cares what 'they' think? Only the very insecure would even bring them into the conversation. Shhh, quiet they might hear us and think....pulease, are you kidding me! Dyson is interested in selling Eric Dyson and photo ops of him getting pound from the Hip Hop community.
@RasTheExhorter007 Good point! These "blacer than thou" types talk that mess but are so scared about what white folks will think if a black person dare criticizes another publicly. He's an empty-suit apologist and I have no respect for him!
Selling books, speaking engagements, tv appearances at every opportunity and he talks about consumer culture? LAUGHABLE! 'Black elite'- code/framing alert: Us vs Them, concept of the other, stratifying-the preverbal 'they', an outsider causing our problems. READ murcarl's comment (calling all poor black people children "dirty laundry") and you see how easy it gets distorted & why dialogue is impossible. Not what Cosby did at all; but the poor vs elite frame has been set. So someone to blame.
He flipped you off cuz you been talkin a gang of shit. he still black like you are and you called him out. Stop with that my feelings were hurt what about the children bullshit!
@bigjezzy82 No, Dyson is right. Just because they disagree doesn't mean they should not have been able to conduct a stimulating, intellectually fulfilling debate in which they both critically examined the contemporary plight of the modern day African American. To say, because we disagree we mustn't speak and "fuck you" is silly and divisive. If anything Cosby is heavily contradicting himself.
I personally think that Dyson and Cosby are two of our shining jewels amongst black people...however Dyson is wrong in this sense.........no expected Cosby to spit some real stuff and when he did....they didn't know how to react. In retrospect.......both have points.........but one intelligent black man attacking another..IN THE MIDST OF MEDIA....is the last thing that should have happened.
@floeticstyles No. It wasn't wrong for Dyson to attack Cosby's approach in the midst of media. Politicians (yep even the white ones) do it all the time. What was wrong was that Cosby wasn't mature enough to say "I disagree with you, but I'm willing to at least hear you out."
Dyson is a hack, and I can prove it. He is a sensationlist. He is a tool of the overly liberal white person who means well, and doesn't do well; and once they do well they don't do any good. Dyson is a back end politician who just wants a seat at the table to "out-talk" people. Listen, the truth is anyone...anyone who uses big words all the time thinks very little of you or they want you to think higher of them. Dyson is a hack and I can prove it.
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Bill hates being black because he's uneducated like the poor people he bashes.
He's becoming very influencial amongst Latin and African immigrants who take his cue to brown-nose for white-privilege by dissing African-Americans, the people who built the economy they flock to with their free labor.
My opinion of Dr. Dyson coudl be summed up in this recent blog post-
These phony progressives like Dyson should be exposed for what they are - opportunists who pose as leaders in order to advance their careers in corporate America while crying with the rest of the oppressed and marginalised in this society as if we don't have enough tears of our own to shed. Like all opportunists and sell-outs, they want to hunt with the hounds and run with the hares/rabbits!
Okay, so why didn't Dr. Dyson talk mucho trasho about Pres. Obama after his father's day and NAACP speeches which essentially said the same thing?
I read Dr. Dyson's AND Dr. Cosby's "Come on People." The Cos took the higher ground and avoided juvenile trash talking. Does Dr. Dyson REALLY condone the things that Dr. Cosby speaks against?
This is called collecting cash by playing to the crowd.
dr. dyson did go obama for his father day speeches. and keep in mind this was upload on here 2 years ago. you tube "michael eric dyson vs. obama" im the biggest dyson fan in the world. i think dysons point is yes we as blacks most be more responible but how is perpetuating neg stereo-types gonna help us. the only reason why whites are where they are is cause the got government help. like he said jamal and shanika are told to left themselves up by thier boots straps while wallstreet gets walfare
Why does it always have to be a black vs. white issue? I don't know about everyoe here, but I'm tired of that battle. So tired of it, I'm colorblind. I se everyone with my heart, not my eyes. I lie that Dr. Dyson stands up for the hip-hop culture, but the black vs. white scenario has to come to an end. At the end of the day, we are all human. So let's know ourselves as the human race. No longer as black and white. Same goes for every culture.
HELLO?!?! You live in the united states and you have the audacity to fix your mouth to say something like this???? Please tell everyone that you have not reproduced!!!!!! Because of this "lack of critical thinking" , people like you pass on their madness to future generations!!!!!!!!!
Hey, I'm glad you like that racism stuff, but I personally want to see the world heal, not hate as the average person does. so what madness of mine do you speak of? Racism, prejudice, and hatred are madness. I embrace the the ideas of Martin Luther King. Every man is equal, regardless of skin color and race. So, lay off the Haterade.
I think the vast majority of people feel the same way as you do. However, pretending that white supremacy does not exist or that it does not influence individual thinking in both blacks and whites and everyone in between will only ensure its continued existence. Blacks, whites and all other "races" working together have to fight to end white supremacy so that we can get to the point of character over color.
Thank you, I agree. All I was trying to get at is that every race does need to work toggether, so that racism can no longer exist. Muhcarl, you just put it in a way I been trying to say it. I agree, no more supremacy of anykind, just the human race.
Cosby took the high road?!? So calling all poor black people children "dirty laundry" is taking the high road? Why is it when conservatives name call and people respond in kind, they feign righteous indignation?
If you don't like being attacked, don't attack any one else. It's as simple as that
The Black Elite-tive The Boule,The Secret Society,The Illuminati controls our black men & woman, in the political office the music industries such as rap and r&b. They control black celebrities, & what goes on in black communities world wide. They also control some of the Pastors and Preachers in the mega churches that have a big influence on our communities. They swear to secrets that are immorral and degrating. I was even surprised to see a little footage about Jesse Jackson killing Dr. King
In reference to poor people, it's a shame that Bill Cosby: as a rich person seems to have forgotten from where he came from and that he has forgotten that fans put him where he is now.
CRACKER SHIT! All these bad habits that Cosby complains about: 1. Aversion to work 2. Casual wife-beating 3. Promiscuity 4. Killing someone for insulting you 5. Casual incest 6. Dislike of education 7. Lurid and violent religious preaching 8. Casual drunkenness These are all habits picked up in the Old South. And the South got them from English-Scottish immigrants who settled the region. By 1860, free Blacks from the North USA were better educated than Southern Whites.
I'm confused by your comment. Doesn't Dyson attempt to disprove common stereotypes associated with blacks? At least that's the feeling I got after reading "Is Bill Cosby Right?".
Dyson didn't err in writing it; academics should put their views to paper. But I found it hard to take him seriously. I saw too much mud-slinging.
I've also read "Race Matters" by Cornel West. where he argues that Clarence Thomas is an inadequate Jurist. There's no personal jab or mud-slinging. He tries to give Judge Thomas credit, but can't.
I was open to reading "Is Bill Cosby Right?" but was disappointed. Dr. Dyson's stances left me unconvinced.
I've seen the killini gover n over n over n over in KC. I pettioned in the summer of '07 for my minister from L.R.Ark in College Station to come up and help with the healing of over 200 young men murdered by young men of color. He could not. There was too much a need of healing in L.R. College Station & thru LRA. Sad. So Sad.
Like I've said before... FUCK BILL COSBY!!! You cant just act like everything is 100% ok for everybody to make it. Some stuff is designed for Blacks to get either caught up in or not to succeed at... at the same time, we gotta see passed that and not make excuses neither. We have to at least try... BUT!!! where I feel Bill Cosby fucks up at is when automatically makes it look like we aint trying period and we have equal opportunity as whites. We've come a long way, but we aint equal yet.
i live in baltimore,md an remember billcosby broadcast over the radio in 2004 and was disappointed in him then and still is to this day on his crusade against my people it was very demonizing. he pointed his finger to the problem but didn't help direct us to a solution. i admire and support Brother dyson he is the uplifting link between mine and the generation of cosby that failed us in losing our black idenity and replacing it with whites
I strongly agree Brother Mac. It seems that Bill Cosby makes a mockery of his own people, and shuns our shortcomings as entertainment for white folks, giving them a chance to say "see, I told you so" He stabs us with the constant critisism of the Black man, and the Black Family, without even considering the obstacles that have plaqued us for so long EX: unequal job opprtunities, racial profiling, miseducation, brutality, and the unjust judicial system.
It's funny that during their encounter, Bill cosby tells Michael eric Dyson that he does not trust him. But to me, any person who takes a sense of pride in degrading his own people without any obvious intent to eradicate the problem, nor uplift his people is the one not to be trusted
This is the Dr. Dyson thinks its ok for one community to use a word (nigger) but not any other community? How do you put limits on a certain race's speech only, without becoming a racist yourself?
Responsibility IS absolutely the issue. Take responsibility for yourselves as well as you children and then, and ONLY then will the community better itself.
I think Bill doesn't think he's above his culture or rather not part of it. He simply wants to see it get better. Cosby makes a lot of good points about a community that is in certain regards clearly self destructive.
Oh, and as Dr. Dyson put it, Cosby's "pound cake speech" was itself "loaded with ebonics." Yet, there he was calling black kids and theiir parents dumb for using it in a public setting.
I'd rather hear and read the perspectives of men and women who have studied and tackled these issues, not some Johnny-come-lately activist/entertainer whose only credential is that he's wealthy enough to command significant air time. The person I really feel sorry for, though, is Dr. Alvin Poussaint, who's really had to dumb down to defend his friend, Cosby.
Bill oversimplifies both the problem and the solution. Do you want to really begin addresing this problem? Start with disparate funding between urban and suburban school districts. Talk about where the huge influx of drugs and and guns into black communities comes from. Talk about inadequate job opportunities, poor health care and the like. Talk about the disproportionately high prison population among blacks (12% of population, over 60% of prison population). Nothing to do with pound cake.
"Cos" criticizes today's youth as running up and down the street cursing after school, but wasn't Cosby also one of those kids? Did you know that Bill flunked the 10th grade 3 times before finally dropping out and earning a GED and joining the military? He's also done all the other things he hangs on the black poor, like extramarital affairs and an out-of-wedlock child during his child-rearing years, while balming his daughter's drug addiction on her, not bad parenting.
@bravenewhope if your father's running around on your mother ,while preaching family values,while he's been nothing more than a suspected sexual offender of several dozen women over a quarter of century.While he's showing her that she can never trust or respect men,while takling about young balck men abusing women,It can be a reason(not an excuse )why she might end up w/a drug problem
In response to Stunr99 you obviously do not know who Dr.Michael Eric Dyson is. How dare you speak poorly of this amazing, articulate and very academic man who has written well over 10 books. He is also a professor at Georgetown University. Shame on you for never opening a book, which is apparent with what you know about people in academia. You don't even know what you are talking about, you just sound ridiculously stupid. Poor you
Bill Cosby is a very respectable man who unfortunately is way out of touch. Its a problem that comes from someone being past their prime. Which is Cosby completely.
Bill Cosby's "education" consists of little more than honorary degrees. He basically received a Bachelor's Degree based on life experience, while recieving credit toward his Doctor of Education Degree by appearing on Sesame Street. Bill Cosby IS NOT an intellectual and was nevere involved in the civil rights movement in any dimension. As such, should we REALLY be taking his viewpoints seriously. He addresses these issues the way any UNEDUCATED man, or man who has never studied the issue, would.
This Moron, Michael Eric Dyson is so full of himself and hearing himself talk...he couldn't understand any other point of view. I can't believe Bill Cosby would even talk with this nobody. He is such a lowlife that he stooped to such lows--as to write non verified lies about Martin L. King. I can not stand to hear this asshole speak. He cannot see beyond his small logic.
I think he does look at other points of view but obviously is going to voice his own. Got to say I do like to hear this man speak even if I don't agree with evertything he may say. Whether you do agree with him or not he is creating debate and a response in communities that don't often get their voices heard... allowing Black people to raise the discussion out of the barber shop and into an open arena. The very fact we are spending time commenting on this piece of film has to be a good thing.
Hip Hop is like any other artistic endeavor: At the top, there are some real artists, but most of it is complete shit. That's true of rock music, country music, acting, painting, you name it. Music that glorifies violance and demeans women is usually in the shit category.
there is nothing a white man loves more than a white man calling a black man a nigger than a black man calling another black man a nigger.and thinking he hasa point .
Wow, I was gonna comment on how Dr. Dyson was extremely intelligent, but wrong. Then I looked at Bravenewhope and Randyjsing's posts (dating back 2 months) and I'm not jumping into that fire. Whew!
to bravenwhope: hip hop culture has been around for around 29 years. you think that that is a "new" art form? also the artists dictate what the record execs promote. see what would happen if the record companies told thier rap artists to start rapping about surfing, kicking it on the farm, or vacationing in europe.
Dyson is an idiot. simply an idot with a Phd in religion nuf said. hes no one to Mr cosby and Mr Cosby gave him to much respect by giving him the finger.
dyson takes time to wright a whole book about cosby but lauds tupac "thug life" shakur?(sorry "brenda got a baby" and "dear mama" dont cut it. pacs gangsta- thug image is what endeared him to young blacks). dyson also praises or is silent about others who promote destructive behavior among our youth. he is just trying to be popular with young folk.
I caught Dyson in a recent Today Show interview with Matt Lauer, and he made much more sense than you're implying. He, for example, pointed out that hip hop is no different than any other form of artistic expression over the ages. Art forms, especially when new, have always been "in your face," challenging convention. He was also VERY outspoken about the music executives who dictate the content of rap music. It doesn't start at the artistic level, but rather at the executive level.
In conclusion...I KNOW THAT RACISM EXISTS!!! To ignore it would be silly...however, we will NOT let it hold us down! We cannot be stopped when we are as smart as anyone else! When we are as able-bodied as any other ethnicity! When we have as much drive and determination as the next group. No...we are primarily stopped when we BELIEVE THE LIE that comes from some whites, but mostly from ourselves! Refuse to believe it!
cont...how about this??? QUIT ROBBING! How about this...when you sign a multi-million dollar contract to play a game like Michael Vick did, DON'T DO IGNORANT, LAWBREAKING THINGS! You have been given a gift--don't mess it up! Barry Bonds...well...DON'T LIE UNDER OATH to a GRAND JURY! Tell the TRUTH! But don't bring racism into it...you embarrass those who came before you who truly fought racism!
Look, I don't know about the Pasadena, TX situation, and I'll certainly have more to say at the appropriate time about the other issues you've raised. But c'mon. Michael Vick? The question you need to ask is how is it that white athletes manage to escape the level of scrutiny that black athletes must endure.
Yes...I quite frankly, I didn't mean to open "pandora's box" but I was venting at the time.
One of two things you can conclude...either A, the media looks the other way when it's a white athlete, or B, some black athletes are brave enough to risk it all and are somewhat surprised when they are called on it.
Steve Howe was a white major leauge pitcher for the Dodgers who was ruined because of cocaine use. Pete Rose? Gambling? Yeah, it was public..no hall of fame for him.
C'mon. Howe and Rose are only the ones we KNOW about. Look at the Barry Bonds situation. I don't see anyone breaking down Rick Ankiel's door to compel him to testify against his suppliers. Mark McGwire, Roger Clemens, Paul Byrd, and probably Nolan Ryan, Cal Ripken, Brady Anderson and many, many more are getting free rides., especially McGwire, who we all KNEW was juiced when he chased the record.
Or go after none of them since steroid use has been in major league baseball for generations. there's a lot about this issue that's not disseminated to the public because it's inconsistent with a certain agenda. Even white journalists have come out and siad it. It's TOO obvious, but yet here you are questioning it. That's interesting. White people can see it, but you can't.
I never denied the double-standard...never did. But obeying the law is the best standard. Fay Vincent, former commissioner warned MLB back in the day--in '90 regarding illegal substances in MLB, including steroids. Those who decided to risk it and use anyway are without excuse.
McGuire...I believe he juiced...they should go after him.
Roger Clemens...he's not out of the woods yet.
Nolan Ryan and Cal Ripken? If evidence came up, then yes...
Bonds messed himself up when he got involved with Victor Conte and BALCO, because the evidence was overwhelming. THEN to lie to the GRAND JURY? Can you say Martha Stewart?
On June 7, 1991, commissioner Fay Vincent sent a memo to each team and the players union that stated: "The possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or substance by Major League players and personnel is strictly prohibited. Major League players or personnel involved in the possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance ARE SUBJECT TO DISCIPLINE BY THE COMMISSIONER AND RISK PERMANENT EXPULSION FROM THE GAME...INCLUDING STEROIDS..."
Somebody should've listened to the commissioner's warnings..but anyway, to say that "white people" can see it but I can't...well, somehow I think it's funny how law-abiding black athletes are somehow labeled as "acting white" or "playin' house nigga"....for example, those like Hank Aaron...they never deserved that distinction just for being grateful and law abiding...you see the hypocrisy?
You know, your imagination is as active as Cosby's. You're making up stuff, embellishing this pathology, making it seem endemic. Who in the black community characterizes law-abiding blacks as acting white? Who calls Hank Aaron a house n-----? I don't see anyone doing that. No, I don't see the hypocrisy because I don't accept your ridiculous premise.
Oh...I stand corrected...instead he was called "Uncle Tom", "Sell-out" etc...which was due to the fact that he was "quiet" and "determined" I'll tell you this: if you are black you KNOW what I mean by "acting white" in the black community. Making good grades, going to college, and speaking "proper english" will get you dubbed as "acting white" by a fair percentage of the black community...that's a double standard too!
I don't recall anyone referring to Hank Aaron in that way, at least nobody black. I really have no idea what you're talking about, and I don't think you do, either.
"Acting white?" I hear that far more in the media than in real life. And trust me, I've been in the settings in which that kind of talk and thinking are supposed to be prevelant, and I just don't hear it.
Now I understand...lol...you're in denial. Let's just agree to disagree and be on our way. If you think I'm "embellishing" then you must've lived in a much different world.
I'M in denial? That's funny. I must have been living in a different world? That's even funnier. What about the stats regarding blacks and the justice system? And while whites may outnumber blacks on the welfare rolls, a far higher percentage of blacks than whites are on welfare. Now, I'm sure that that has EVERYTHING to do with blacks being lazy and shiftless, and NOTHING to do with unequal opportunity in America, right?
I'll answer it this way...statistically, do blacks come from a 2 parent household with a mother and a father? How about teenage pregnancy? Household with no father? I haven't said anything about laziness and shiftlessness, but you sure found a way to throw it in! We have been told by our black leaders in the past that the opportunities are here...we need to go get it!
I noticed that you like to evade questions. Quite simply, what do you make of these stats, which clearly suggest that the justice system is used as a tool to systemically perpetuate racism in this country, unless, that is, as you suggest, it relects that poor blacks view law-abiding behavior as "acting white." Based on all that you've said so far, that would be YOUR interpretation.
Well, you can say I like to evade questions, but your way is quite clever, because you claim to reject the premise of a question that I have asked...thereby absolving you of the need to answer. Well, when I mentioned the hypocrisy within a large part of the black community, Jesse Jackson had just recently referred to Obama as "acting white". Go ahead and reject the premise...but there's something to it...
Another point is that the black middle- and upper-classes are not without their own dysfunctional traits. Broken families, infidelity, spousal, sexual, drug and alcohol abuse, out-of-wedlock children .... the whole nine. So surely if these problems exist among the "best" of us, then they can't be the sole reason for the poor being held back. There must be additional explanations.
Again, even Bill Cosby has had to acknowledge extramarital affairs during his child-rearing years. Responsible parenting? No. Being a responsible husband? Of course not. Also, flunking the 10th grade 3 times makes him no better than "Shaniqua, Taliqua and Muhammad and all that crap." Why is he talking, but more to the point is why are we signing off on it?
More than 140 years after slavery, blacks are twice as likely to be unemployed as whites, almost 1/4 of black families live below the poverty line--four times the % of white families, median h/h income for blacks is 40% less than for whites, and blacks make up 50% of the 2.2 million prison inmates, yet only 12% of the general population.
Elaine Brown, who in '70's became the first female chairperson of the Black Panther Party, is the out-of-wedlock daughter of some uppercrust black getabout from Philadelphia Society, a doctor who turned up his nose to his responsibilty to his daughter, the product of an extramarital affair. If he were poor, I guess we'd all be calling him a burden to our race. But since he wasn't, we ignore his transgression.
Jackson didn't use this characterization in even remotely the same manner as you suggest. He was referring to Obama's relative silence, as a black candidate, on the Jena 6 situation, implying that Barack has no such luxury as black man. "I'd be all over that issue," Jackson said. It has nothing to do with rejecting academic achievement or blacks who are law-abiding. But I guess that doesn't matter to you. You'll clutch any straw you can find.
I just thought it was of particular interest that he used that exact phrase..."acting white", especially when it had been the topic of discussion, although it wasn't 100% applicable.
I'm past clutching straws...I'll concede that you have brought up points in our discussions that I'm seriously considering...
I still stand by my main point...which is this...We have made incredible strides over the past several decades...many who have come out of poverty to make a huge difference. I truly believe that we cannot put our head in the sand and act as though systemic racism has no effect on us. (Even though you may think I believe otherwise) However, we are grown-ass men and women who can excel as many before us did! bravenewhope, thanks for challenging me to learn more about the history of my ethnicity.
Quite frankly, it's not necessary to try and somehow convince me that IF I didn't take a Black History course in college, somehow I wouldn't have the credentials to speak in an intelligent manner. So...THOSE WHO HAVE taken the course are now suddenly "enlightened" to the plight of the black man? Careful, because you'd leave out a LARGE percentage of blacks from all walks of life...
But that's essentially what I'm saying. Unless you've made an effort to research your own history, you can't possibly know a great deal about it because it's not a staple of popular culture, at least not in all its truth. And as such, one just ends up sounding like any other schmoe who gets his info from mass media or out of thin air (sometimes I truly don't know the difference), thereby embracing ridiculous stereotypes and other false notions.
A lot of blacks don't know their history. That's not to say that I know it all, but that's why read DuBois, Washington, Woodson, Bennett and all the rest, because I KNOW I don't know it all. But I certainly know enough to realize that the state of black America does not begin and end with a discussion about personal responsibility on the part of the poor. That's nonsense, but it's typical of how better-off blacks view their poorer brethren.
You, yourself, commented on how you fail to see how racism is involved when a black criminal is arrested after being caught with his hand "in the cookie jar." Well, that's not the standard for determining whether racism exists. The standard is disparate treatment. The issue is are similarly situated whites treated differently in this society, and the overwhelmingly reality is that they are. Now, if that's the case, then that should mark our starting point in the struggle. It's simple.
BTW, do you have any GOOD NEWS for black people? Beyond the stats...do you see good news among the horizon? If so, where or whom do you think it will come from?
All I hear is despair from you...as though only whites control our destiny. I'm not buying it....
cont...who did that quote come from? Theodore M. Shaw, president of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund Inc. I know you don't like quotes, but I think it sums up the issue quite well from both sides. Unfortunately, I don't want you to get the wrong idea. I've seen the stats...and I'm saddened...and angry.
"...Following a recent conversation, Cosby and I agreed on this much: To the extent that he is frustrated and angry about the failure of people to be responsible parents, and about senseless crime and violence, I stand with him; to the extent that we continue to be challenged by the systemic issues of race and racism that the Legal Defense Fund has confronted since the days of my predecessor, Thurgood Marshall, Bill Cosby stands with me."
That's nice. They've reached an accord. I'd now like to hear "Dr." Cosby address systemic racism because he sure didn't seem to know what it meant on Meet the Press.
Yes..."Acting white" you hear it far more in the media than in real life? That means you must hear it in real life to SOME extent...maybe you misspoke. We all do that sometimes...that's certainly permissible.
Research "acting white"....I'm sure you'll find MUCH more info that isn't merely "media".
I hear "acting white" alright, but mostly from people like you who say that black people apply it to other black people who abide by the law. That's ridiculous.
Well, you contradicted yourself...so you're doing this just to be argumentative, so I don't know if it's really worth having much more of a discussion with you...
Karolyn Tyson and William Darity, both from UNC, refute Ogby's findings, finding that black and white students, at least in North Carolina, have the same attitudes toward their studies. Kids in both groups want to do well and show higher degrees of self-esteem when they do, they concluded.
Sorry, but I know of nothing suggesting that blacks view law-abiding blacks as "acting white."
I saw it on a site last night...you can find evidence that supports it as well as "evidence" that refutes it. Big Deal. I suspect that many want to do well and show high degrees of self-esteem when they do...but there's a culture within a culture that wants to bring others down...and while this is probably present in every ethnicity, I can relate to my own ethnicity and so can MANY others...
Without addressing whether or not I took African American History in college, I'll certainly say this: African American History in college DID address the "acting white" issue that you seem to somehow deny. Perhaps a different professor addresses it while another ignores it altogether...you know how that goes....ahem...I assume. Research "acting white" some deny it...MANY black scholars acknowledge it.
How would you know what African American History addressed if you never enrolled in it it? The educated black people I know who have never studied their own history, and they are way too many in number, often sound like you .... uneducated on THESE issues.
Tell me, can you at least see a link between slavery and the modern socioeconomic stratification in this country?
John Ogbu, a Nigerian sociologist, links "acting white" to black students' inability to see the link between academic success and access to jobs due to the glass ceiling placed upon their parents and others in the community by white society.
clap.....clap....clap....so you researched it...but of course, you mention only the bits and pieces of what he found that match YOUR agenda. There was much more to it than just that, and you know it. lol...
Perhaps I'm being too hard on you. My point is that black people who know their history, who are truly informed about it, understand the nexus between slavery and the current state of black America. Again, not that the concept of personal responsibility isn't understood, but these issues simply can't be dealt with in a vacuum. There's a historical context for this debate, and it needs to be dealt with ACCURATELY.
Nothing frustrates me more than hearing black folks of the highest pretensions, as far as their work is concerned, suddenly sound like people who never picked up a book by Carter Woodson, W.E.B. DuBois or Michael Eric Dyson when discussing their own cultural and history. That's what I mean when I say that the blacks with the degrees are often the problem in our community. They're not fit to lead with this gap in their knowledge and thinking.
And I don't quite know what it is about African Americans and their reluctance to learn these things formally. Maybe they felt they'd be stigmatized by those (white people, maybe) reviewing their transcripts for grad and professional school admission. I don't know. It never got in my way. In fact, I consider enrolling in Afro American History and Literature courses to be one of the best moves I made in college. I emerged with a black consciousness.
Look, every single ethnic group boasts its own history and contributions to our diverse landscape, and they do so from an informed standpoint. Why can't we? Why can't our intelligentsia of doctors lawyers and businesspeople do the same? Why must we start blaming our poor for holding the rest of us back? As long as we're not fighting for them and setting the record staright, we're holding EVERYONE, all of us, back.
Here's another stat for you. Blacks comprise 12% of those involved in the illegal drug trade in this country, yet 60% of those behind bars for drug offenses. Now, is that because those hapless, criminally disposed blacks are just determined to make "the rest of us" look bad, or is it because of unbalanced enforcement of the drug laws in this country?
This is a problem that I have: Blacks are all too comfortable with trying to PLEASE the white man. We'll try to live according to his impossible double-standard while calling the Vicks of the world stupid. It seems we're the ones who are stupid because we're not attacking the double-standard.
Well, with all due respect to you, we need to attack the double-standard, but calling it racism when someone is caught with their hand in the cookie jar is NOT the way to expose the double-standard. Maybe the media can help--I don't know...but we've got to get wiser.
By the way, blacks comprise 12% of the general population in America, but more than 50% of its prison population. FIFTY PERCENT!!!!! Now, is that because blacks are more prone to committing crimes, or is it because of unblanaced (i.e., double standard) enforcement of the laws of this country?
Little boy, why have you not raised the alarm about rush scumbaugh(drug addict), bill o'really(sexual harassment) and the rest of the "white right" fools who have the ear of the extremely uninformed white majority?????
cont...how about this...THEY WERE CRIMINALS who shouldn't have been robbing in the first place, yet here come some blacks hollering "racism"....try calling it "racism" when these 2 gentlemen weren't committing a crime...call it "racism" when you have solid evidence that the shooter REALLY WAS/IS racist! Otherwise, you sound like a fool!
Instead of calling Michael Vick an ignorant lawbreaker, try attacking the double-standard that holds blacks to a much higher standard of conduct. I mean, really, you don't think white athletes engage in ignorant and illegal activities without their actions reaching the light of day? Du-uh. I'm not concerned about Michael Vick killing dogs. I'm concerned about the double standard.
If the double standard truly exists, (and it might) then what does that say to the black athlete? Don't do stupid illegal sh**!!!! Especially something so PUBLIC as dogfighting...
Why are white athletes better at getting away with it? What's the root cause?
Okay, I know you're a teacher, which means it's safe to assume that you are educated. I also assume that you're black, perhaps male. Now, with those traits, if you can't see that a racist double-standard definitely exists in America that militates against black progress, then you really don't need to be engaged in this kind of dialogue.
I know that racism exists, and I know that a racist double-standard exists. I happen to believe it's not as widespread as some want to believe, but it exists nevertheless. I have been the victim of racism, and so have my parents. My black pride demands that I live at a higher standard so as to not give legitamacy to some white who would consider us as 'inferior'. cont...
cont...I know that nobody's perfect. We all make mistakes...it trancends all colors...I'd like to see situations where blacks are accused of crimes that they didn't commit...because if that were true, I could claim racism! However, more often than not, I find out that he/she did INDEED commit a crime(s). I am stunned, then sad, then angry WHENEVER this happens.
My initial point that brought in black athletes in the first place was the fact that "racism" is the accusation EVERY time a black person is involved/caught in some crime or some other embarrassing situation. While I believe that racism does motivate some, to run around the country looking to make an excuse by way of the 'race card' in EVERY situation is getting played out...That was my point.
You're missing my point in all of this. What I'm saying is concentrate on eradicating the double-standard. When you accept that you must live by a higher standard, then your cause is defeated. Every black person who transgresses then looks like an ignorant fool. Whites who transgress, however, don't because they're not held to the same standard of conduct.
Did you ever study African American History in college?
I see your point, but asking me if I ever studied African American History in college is, once again-- condescending. Not every African American is going to agree on EVERY SINGLE issue...you should know better.
I guess that means NO, you never studied African American History in college. It's obvious. That, then, brings me to the question of why I'm even wasting my time with you. The saddest reality isn't all those substandard poor blacks you claim exist. The saddest reality is an educated black man who doesn't even know his own history, who never learned it in a formal setting, who learns it from the likes of "Dr." Cosby, who cleary doesn't even know it himself.
To tell you the truth, I'm not telling you anything else about me, because all you've attempted to do is take what little you know and use it against me. Therefore, it's not necessary to let you know anything else. You need to understand that it's more than just "whitey" trying to keep us down...sometimes it's a group within our own ethnicity. For you to deny this is startling...for a 50 year old man.
"...Following a recent conversation, Cosby and I agreed on this much: To the extent that he is frustrated and angry about the failure of people to be responsible parents, and about senseless crime and violence, I stand with him; to the extent that we continue to be challenged by the systemic issues of race and racism that the Legal Defense Fund has confronted since the days of my predecessor, Thurgood Marshall, Bill Cosby stands with me." cont...
Here's an example of the double standard. If you're an unarmed white male and SUSPECTED, or not, of commiting a street crime, you're not gunned down in the streets by the cops. But if you're black, you are. Now, I don't know what the hell is going on Texas, but that's the reality in the northeast. Ever heard of Amadou Diallo? How about Abner Louima? Sean Bell? The list goes on. If so, how could you possibly be talking the nonsense you're talking now? By the way, they stealing poundcake, either.
cont...Here's an example: you've got the situation in Pasadena, Texas where an old man shot 2 dark-skinned Puerto Ricans....The 2 men were robbing the old man's next door neighbors...the old man went waaay overboard and shot the 2 CRIMINALS dead...I agree he went too far...but why call that racism when these men were ROBBING? cont...
I feel you have to examine someone's intention. Bill Cosby was preaching self-responsibility - the same thing Louis Farakhan preaches. Dyson's attacks on him were bogus. Sorry. And Cosby endorsed pudding pops. That's hardly perpetuating consumer culture which the rap community constantly does. His attack of Cosby was just a waste of time and phony. Dyson is brilliant but I don't trust him. He wouldn't have had the balls to take on Minister Farakhan. Sorry. That's my opinion.
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MotownMaurice 6 months ago
vvv I've spoke to dyson personally. He's constantly on big news stations. What r u doing
diddypops2000 10 months ago
Motown you should to Dyson he is a pure d hack academic, and thats it. he writes about what others do or did, no predictions, no solutions, no revolution...he is complete and utter bullshit tell I said so.
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danielcooper1000 1 year ago
Cosby says things and anyone who disagrees understandably, they get the finger lol...very mature sir.
kingofrnb 1 year ago
sorry Dyson I will never listen to you over Bill Cosby! You a straight up clown and feeding people lies!! Your book "Know What I Mean?" SUCK!! And stop riding Jay-Z dick!! that is all you talk about is Jay-Z Jay-Z Jay-Z in that damn book!! So I'm with Bill Cosby on giving you the finger too! And stop acting like you "hip"/young! DUDE YOU ARE TOO OLD FOR THAT!!
mrsbethea 1 year ago 4
@mrsbethea i agree with u i read that book and he do say jay-z a lot lol and he gives thanks to him first in the special thanks lol smh i think that nigga gay lmao
martique22 1 year ago
@martique22 lmao he is gay!! he dick riding Jay-Z hard as hell! i know his ass hurt Jay-Z playing penis butt with Dyson lmao
mrsbethea 1 year ago
@mrsbethea lol that nigga need to sit the fuck down
martique22 1 year ago
(((college doesn't equal educated)))
And there's no greater example than Michael Eric Dyson
((((What is bullshit about Dyson's ideologies?))))
The notion that everything bad and wrong in the black community is white people's fault and that we shouldn't be held accountable for anything. I could go on and on if I wanted.
SIGMAMAN69 1 year ago
Look at that haircut. When was this interview conducted? 1985?
lifestraight 1 year ago
Intellectual Masturbation: that's what you do Micheal Eric Dyson. You're not making any difference. Stop making excuses and promote education.
mthakore 1 year ago
What is up with the interviewer wearing the 90's haircut?
MYGIRLMicahMicah 1 year ago 2
Dyson wins on this one. Cosby needs to check himself.
kingofrnb 1 year ago 2
i love this Negroid!!!!!
tonyblair999 1 year ago
One wonders why Dyson is concerned about Whites who according to him (he never says which Whites or how many or where they live, etc-) already have stereotypes. Unless he's accusing Cosby of comforting them as motivation; who cares what 'they' think? Only the very insecure would even bring them into the conversation. Shhh, quiet they might hear us and think....pulease, are you kidding me! Dyson is interested in selling Eric Dyson and photo ops of him getting pound from the Hip Hop community.
RasTheExhorter007 1 year ago
@RasTheExhorter007 Good point! These "blacer than thou" types talk that mess but are so scared about what white folks will think if a black person dare criticizes another publicly. He's an empty-suit apologist and I have no respect for him!
SIGMAMAN69 1 year ago
Selling books, speaking engagements, tv appearances at every opportunity and he talks about consumer culture? LAUGHABLE! 'Black elite'- code/framing alert: Us vs Them, concept of the other, stratifying-the preverbal 'they', an outsider causing our problems. READ murcarl's comment (calling all poor black people children "dirty laundry") and you see how easy it gets distorted & why dialogue is impossible. Not what Cosby did at all; but the poor vs elite frame has been set. So someone to blame.
RasTheExhorter007 1 year ago
He flipped you off cuz you been talkin a gang of shit. he still black like you are and you called him out. Stop with that my feelings were hurt what about the children bullshit!
bigjezzy82 1 year ago
@bigjezzy82 No, Dyson is right. Just because they disagree doesn't mean they should not have been able to conduct a stimulating, intellectually fulfilling debate in which they both critically examined the contemporary plight of the modern day African American. To say, because we disagree we mustn't speak and "fuck you" is silly and divisive. If anything Cosby is heavily contradicting himself.
lifestraight 1 year ago
I personally think that Dyson and Cosby are two of our shining jewels amongst black people...however Dyson is wrong in this sense.........no expected Cosby to spit some real stuff and when he did....they didn't know how to react. In retrospect.......both have points.........but one intelligent black man attacking another..IN THE MIDST OF MEDIA....is the last thing that should have happened.
floeticstyles 1 year ago
@floeticstyles No. It wasn't wrong for Dyson to attack Cosby's approach in the midst of media. Politicians (yep even the white ones) do it all the time. What was wrong was that Cosby wasn't mature enough to say "I disagree with you, but I'm willing to at least hear you out."
lifestraight 1 year ago
Dyson is a clown, as is Sharpton and Jackson
WonderBread006 1 year ago
dyson is wrong point blank..i would have given you the finger also
THUGNERD81 2 years ago
Cosby is right!!!!
THUGNERD81 2 years ago
Dyson is a hack, and I can prove it. He is a sensationlist. He is a tool of the overly liberal white person who means well, and doesn't do well; and once they do well they don't do any good. Dyson is a back end politician who just wants a seat at the table to "out-talk" people. Listen, the truth is anyone...anyone who uses big words all the time thinks very little of you or they want you to think higher of them. Dyson is a hack and I can prove it.
TheNeptuneGood 2 years ago
How can you prove it?
muhcarl 2 years ago
I watched him use a situation in a church to introduce his theory that black men don't have any respect for black women. I was there, and I wanted to approach him but the people I was with didn't let me. If you want to know more about it send me your email add.
TheNeptuneGood 2 years ago
Please post your proof here.
muhcarl 2 years ago
Hey Motown Maurice, its Nicole Denise Hodges and I love this video. I like Dr Michael Eric Dyson and he has some interesting thoughts.
Hope to speak again about being on your show to promote some TV & Film projects that I am involved with,
Talk to you soon.
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MotownMaurice 2 years ago
Bill hates being black because he's uneducated like the poor people he bashes.
He's becoming very influencial amongst Latin and African immigrants who take his cue to brown-nose for white-privilege by dissing African-Americans, the people who built the economy they flock to with their free labor.
sonbarably 2 years ago
My opinion of Dr. Dyson coudl be summed up in this recent blog post-
These phony progressives like Dyson should be exposed for what they are - opportunists who pose as leaders in order to advance their careers in corporate America while crying with the rest of the oppressed and marginalised in this society as if we don't have enough tears of our own to shed. Like all opportunists and sell-outs, they want to hunt with the hounds and run with the hares/rabbits!
Themaddprof 2 years ago
Okay, so why didn't Dr. Dyson talk mucho trasho about Pres. Obama after his father's day and NAACP speeches which essentially said the same thing?
I read Dr. Dyson's AND Dr. Cosby's "Come on People." The Cos took the higher ground and avoided juvenile trash talking. Does Dr. Dyson REALLY condone the things that Dr. Cosby speaks against?
This is called collecting cash by playing to the crowd.
Themaddprof 2 years ago
dr. dyson did go obama for his father day speeches. and keep in mind this was upload on here 2 years ago. you tube "michael eric dyson vs. obama" im the biggest dyson fan in the world. i think dysons point is yes we as blacks most be more responible but how is perpetuating neg stereo-types gonna help us. the only reason why whites are where they are is cause the got government help. like he said jamal and shanika are told to left themselves up by thier boots straps while wallstreet gets walfare
member351 2 years ago
Why does it always have to be a black vs. white issue? I don't know about everyoe here, but I'm tired of that battle. So tired of it, I'm colorblind. I se everyone with my heart, not my eyes. I lie that Dr. Dyson stands up for the hip-hop culture, but the black vs. white scenario has to come to an end. At the end of the day, we are all human. So let's know ourselves as the human race. No longer as black and white. Same goes for every culture.
Apastwaitingtodie 2 years ago
HELLO?!?! You live in the united states and you have the audacity to fix your mouth to say something like this???? Please tell everyone that you have not reproduced!!!!!! Because of this "lack of critical thinking" , people like you pass on their madness to future generations!!!!!!!!!
flatchest32 2 years ago
Hey, I'm glad you like that racism stuff, but I personally want to see the world heal, not hate as the average person does. so what madness of mine do you speak of? Racism, prejudice, and hatred are madness. I embrace the the ideas of Martin Luther King. Every man is equal, regardless of skin color and race. So, lay off the Haterade.
Apastwaitingtodie 2 years ago
I think the vast majority of people feel the same way as you do. However, pretending that white supremacy does not exist or that it does not influence individual thinking in both blacks and whites and everyone in between will only ensure its continued existence. Blacks, whites and all other "races" working together have to fight to end white supremacy so that we can get to the point of character over color.
muhcarl 2 years ago
Thank you, I agree. All I was trying to get at is that every race does need to work toggether, so that racism can no longer exist. Muhcarl, you just put it in a way I been trying to say it. I agree, no more supremacy of anykind, just the human race.
Apastwaitingtodie 2 years ago
always look up carl dix and cornel west. great stuff. God bless
member351 2 years ago
Cosby took the high road?!? So calling all poor black people children "dirty laundry" is taking the high road? Why is it when conservatives name call and people respond in kind, they feign righteous indignation?
If you don't like being attacked, don't attack any one else. It's as simple as that
muhcarl 2 years ago
Mo-town is in ruins - serious ruins. Gang crime rampent. Poverty rampent. City politico corruption out of control.
Sad. So many young black men die there.
So many young could be mothers choose not to be mothers. Children never see the sun - cremitory yes the sun no.
I don't know why the caged bird sings...why?
salinagrrrl69 2 years ago
The Black Elite-tive The Boule,The Secret Society,The Illuminati controls our black men & woman, in the political office the music industries such as rap and r&b. They control black celebrities, & what goes on in black communities world wide. They also control some of the Pastors and Preachers in the mega churches that have a big influence on our communities. They swear to secrets that are immorral and degrating. I was even surprised to see a little footage about Jesse Jackson killing Dr. King
2bprudent 2 years ago
In reference to poor people, it's a shame that Bill Cosby: as a rich person seems to have forgotten from where he came from and that he has forgotten that fans put him where he is now.
nvjharmonica 2 years ago
Right on, tell tha' truth!!
redbonegal 2 years ago
MondoBeno 2 years ago
Blacks beat their wives? Since when do blacks even get married?
zekal10 2 years ago
There are many Black people who have stable families and work hard to set the example. Guys like Dyson don't do much to help them along.
MondoBeno 2 years ago
I'm confused by your comment. Doesn't Dyson attempt to disprove common stereotypes associated with blacks? At least that's the feeling I got after reading "Is Bill Cosby Right?".
zekal10 2 years ago 4
Dyson didn't err in writing it; academics should put their views to paper. But I found it hard to take him seriously. I saw too much mud-slinging.
I've also read "Race Matters" by Cornel West. where he argues that Clarence Thomas is an inadequate Jurist. There's no personal jab or mud-slinging. He tries to give Judge Thomas credit, but can't.
I was open to reading "Is Bill Cosby Right?" but was disappointed. Dr. Dyson's stances left me unconvinced.
MondoBeno 2 years ago
That is so judgemental, and is that an actual fact. I'm black and i'm married
bchildet 2 years ago
I've seen the killini gover n over n over n over in KC. I pettioned in the summer of '07 for my minister from L.R.Ark in College Station to come up and help with the healing of over 200 young men murdered by young men of color. He could not. There was too much a need of healing in L.R. College Station & thru LRA. Sad. So Sad.
salinagrrrl69 2 years ago
Like I've said before... FUCK BILL COSBY!!! You cant just act like everything is 100% ok for everybody to make it. Some stuff is designed for Blacks to get either caught up in or not to succeed at... at the same time, we gotta see passed that and not make excuses neither. We have to at least try... BUT!!! where I feel Bill Cosby fucks up at is when automatically makes it look like we aint trying period and we have equal opportunity as whites. We've come a long way, but we aint equal yet.
KINGPHILIP2000 2 years ago 3
Bill Cosby doesn't like poor Black people, period!!!!!
ttjakt 3 years ago 2
If his back was to you, how do you know it was really Bill Cosby?
MondoBeno 3 years ago
he turned to show his face
sexfanatic 3 years ago
that fade is sick though!
Meloman0001 3 years ago 2
That's some 1986 shit!!!!
ttjakt 3 years ago 2
rockin tha cameo worrrrrrdUP!
todnyc 3 years ago 2
man I wish Dr. Dyson taught at my university. I would definitely be taking his classes. Georgetown students are lucky to have him!!
Meloman0001 3 years ago 4
i live in baltimore,md an remember billcosby broadcast over the radio in 2004 and was disappointed in him then and still is to this day on his crusade against my people it was very demonizing. he pointed his finger to the problem but didn't help direct us to a solution. i admire and support Brother dyson he is the uplifting link between mine and the generation of cosby that failed us in losing our black idenity and replacing it with whites
MacOne13 3 years ago 4
I strongly agree Brother Mac. It seems that Bill Cosby makes a mockery of his own people, and shuns our shortcomings as entertainment for white folks, giving them a chance to say "see, I told you so" He stabs us with the constant critisism of the Black man, and the Black Family, without even considering the obstacles that have plaqued us for so long EX: unequal job opprtunities, racial profiling, miseducation, brutality, and the unjust judicial system.
aadolema 3 years ago 8
It's funny that during their encounter, Bill cosby tells Michael eric Dyson that he does not trust him. But to me, any person who takes a sense of pride in degrading his own people without any obvious intent to eradicate the problem, nor uplift his people is the one not to be trusted
aadolema 3 years ago 9
TEACH!
MrHolipsism 3 years ago
This is the Dr. Dyson thinks its ok for one community to use a word (nigger) but not any other community? How do you put limits on a certain race's speech only, without becoming a racist yourself?
aneducatedbrother 3 years ago
@aneducatedbrother I support Dr. Dyson, but that's a great point.
lifestraight 1 year ago
Responsibility IS absolutely the issue. Take responsibility for yourselves as well as you children and then, and ONLY then will the community better itself.
aneducatedbrother 3 years ago
I love both and its good that we have different frames of thinking competing in a respectfull manner to bring success to the community.
supermike2164 3 years ago
Bill Cosby's a phony.
antidote2010 3 years ago
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Why they was acting all suspect-homo, touchy-feely?
titanicmusic14 3 years ago
I think Bill doesn't think he's above his culture or rather not part of it. He simply wants to see it get better. Cosby makes a lot of good points about a community that is in certain regards clearly self destructive.
manwhich23 3 years ago
Oh, and as Dr. Dyson put it, Cosby's "pound cake speech" was itself "loaded with ebonics." Yet, there he was calling black kids and theiir parents dumb for using it in a public setting.
bravenewhope 3 years ago
I'd rather hear and read the perspectives of men and women who have studied and tackled these issues, not some Johnny-come-lately activist/entertainer whose only credential is that he's wealthy enough to command significant air time. The person I really feel sorry for, though, is Dr. Alvin Poussaint, who's really had to dumb down to defend his friend, Cosby.
bravenewhope 3 years ago
Bill oversimplifies both the problem and the solution. Do you want to really begin addresing this problem? Start with disparate funding between urban and suburban school districts. Talk about where the huge influx of drugs and and guns into black communities comes from. Talk about inadequate job opportunities, poor health care and the like. Talk about the disproportionately high prison population among blacks (12% of population, over 60% of prison population). Nothing to do with pound cake.
bravenewhope 3 years ago
"Cos" criticizes today's youth as running up and down the street cursing after school, but wasn't Cosby also one of those kids? Did you know that Bill flunked the 10th grade 3 times before finally dropping out and earning a GED and joining the military? He's also done all the other things he hangs on the black poor, like extramarital affairs and an out-of-wedlock child during his child-rearing years, while balming his daughter's drug addiction on her, not bad parenting.
bravenewhope 3 years ago
@bravenewhope if your father's running around on your mother ,while preaching family values,while he's been nothing more than a suspected sexual offender of several dozen women over a quarter of century.While he's showing her that she can never trust or respect men,while takling about young balck men abusing women,It can be a reason(not an excuse )why she might end up w/a drug problem
mooncrab 9 months ago
In response to Stunr99 you obviously do not know who Dr.Michael Eric Dyson is. How dare you speak poorly of this amazing, articulate and very academic man who has written well over 10 books. He is also a professor at Georgetown University. Shame on you for never opening a book, which is apparent with what you know about people in academia. You don't even know what you are talking about, you just sound ridiculously stupid. Poor you
u0463390 3 years ago 2
Bill Cosby is a very respectable man who unfortunately is way out of touch. Its a problem that comes from someone being past their prime. Which is Cosby completely.
DaHonestAbe 3 years ago
That Mother fucker is no Dr.
What the fuck is the deal a sub gets a bachelors and he is Dr.
The Man has to get 4 Masters and a EDS before they respect each other. The stakes are over there Chap!
But that one Sub has a phenomenal Box hair cut.
Stunr99 3 years ago
So you'll give props to a Brother for his hair cut and dis another for having an education!!!
comeunityarts 3 years ago
Well, His hair cut is real. That sub is a fake ass.
Stunr99 3 years ago
Bill Cosby's "education" consists of little more than honorary degrees. He basically received a Bachelor's Degree based on life experience, while recieving credit toward his Doctor of Education Degree by appearing on Sesame Street. Bill Cosby IS NOT an intellectual and was nevere involved in the civil rights movement in any dimension. As such, should we REALLY be taking his viewpoints seriously. He addresses these issues the way any UNEDUCATED man, or man who has never studied the issue, would.
bravenewhope 3 years ago
Bill Cosby is a Liliputian, trying to wrestle an intellectual goliath like Dr. Dyson.
antidote2010 3 years ago
Agreed.
bravenewhope 3 years ago
Dr Mike Dyson is a highly intelligent man. I have a lot of respect for him. He speaks passionately about what he believes in.
Props to you brother - keep it up!!!
JamaicanNubianQueen1 3 years ago
This Moron, Michael Eric Dyson is so full of himself and hearing himself talk...he couldn't understand any other point of view. I can't believe Bill Cosby would even talk with this nobody. He is such a lowlife that he stooped to such lows--as to write non verified lies about Martin L. King. I can not stand to hear this asshole speak. He cannot see beyond his small logic.
jacawit 3 years ago
u are just mad bcos he is intelligent lol
glitteringdamsel2000 3 years ago
I think he does look at other points of view but obviously is going to voice his own. Got to say I do like to hear this man speak even if I don't agree with evertything he may say. Whether you do agree with him or not he is creating debate and a response in communities that don't often get their voices heard... allowing Black people to raise the discussion out of the barber shop and into an open arena. The very fact we are spending time commenting on this piece of film has to be a good thing.
comeunityarts 3 years ago
I will give you that....good point.
jacawit 3 years ago
Hip Hop is like any other artistic endeavor: At the top, there are some real artists, but most of it is complete shit. That's true of rock music, country music, acting, painting, you name it. Music that glorifies violance and demeans women is usually in the shit category.
etsneroj 3 years ago
there is nothing a white man loves more than a white man calling a black man a nigger than a black man calling another black man a nigger.and thinking he hasa point .
shawdog02 3 years ago
Wow, I was gonna comment on how Dr. Dyson was extremely intelligent, but wrong. Then I looked at Bravenewhope and Randyjsing's posts (dating back 2 months) and I'm not jumping into that fire. Whew!
Vernonu9 4 years ago
to bravenwhope: hip hop culture has been around for around 29 years. you think that that is a "new" art form? also the artists dictate what the record execs promote. see what would happen if the record companies told thier rap artists to start rapping about surfing, kicking it on the farm, or vacationing in europe.
01tnql 4 years ago
Dyson is an idiot. simply an idot with a Phd in religion nuf said. hes no one to Mr cosby and Mr Cosby gave him to much respect by giving him the finger.
llcoolt 4 years ago
dyson takes time to wright a whole book about cosby but lauds tupac "thug life" shakur?(sorry "brenda got a baby" and "dear mama" dont cut it. pacs gangsta- thug image is what endeared him to young blacks). dyson also praises or is silent about others who promote destructive behavior among our youth. he is just trying to be popular with young folk.
01tnql 4 years ago
I caught Dyson in a recent Today Show interview with Matt Lauer, and he made much more sense than you're implying. He, for example, pointed out that hip hop is no different than any other form of artistic expression over the ages. Art forms, especially when new, have always been "in your face," challenging convention. He was also VERY outspoken about the music executives who dictate the content of rap music. It doesn't start at the artistic level, but rather at the executive level.
bravenewhope 4 years ago 3
In conclusion...I KNOW THAT RACISM EXISTS!!! To ignore it would be silly...however, we will NOT let it hold us down! We cannot be stopped when we are as smart as anyone else! When we are as able-bodied as any other ethnicity! When we have as much drive and determination as the next group. No...we are primarily stopped when we BELIEVE THE LIE that comes from some whites, but mostly from ourselves! Refuse to believe it!
randyjsing 4 years ago
cont...how about this??? QUIT ROBBING! How about this...when you sign a multi-million dollar contract to play a game like Michael Vick did, DON'T DO IGNORANT, LAWBREAKING THINGS! You have been given a gift--don't mess it up! Barry Bonds...well...DON'T LIE UNDER OATH to a GRAND JURY! Tell the TRUTH! But don't bring racism into it...you embarrass those who came before you who truly fought racism!
randyjsing 4 years ago
Look, I don't know about the Pasadena, TX situation, and I'll certainly have more to say at the appropriate time about the other issues you've raised. But c'mon. Michael Vick? The question you need to ask is how is it that white athletes manage to escape the level of scrutiny that black athletes must endure.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
Yes...I quite frankly, I didn't mean to open "pandora's box" but I was venting at the time.
One of two things you can conclude...either A, the media looks the other way when it's a white athlete, or B, some black athletes are brave enough to risk it all and are somewhat surprised when they are called on it.
Steve Howe was a white major leauge pitcher for the Dodgers who was ruined because of cocaine use. Pete Rose? Gambling? Yeah, it was public..no hall of fame for him.
randyjsing 4 years ago
C'mon. Howe and Rose are only the ones we KNOW about. Look at the Barry Bonds situation. I don't see anyone breaking down Rick Ankiel's door to compel him to testify against his suppliers. Mark McGwire, Roger Clemens, Paul Byrd, and probably Nolan Ryan, Cal Ripken, Brady Anderson and many, many more are getting free rides., especially McGwire, who we all KNEW was juiced when he chased the record.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
see, bravenewhope...you alright...lol...are you SURE you wanna go down that road with Bonds?
I think they should go after all the others you mentioned, if the evidence pointed in that direction beyond mere suspicion.
randyjsing 4 years ago
Or go after none of them since steroid use has been in major league baseball for generations. there's a lot about this issue that's not disseminated to the public because it's inconsistent with a certain agenda. Even white journalists have come out and siad it. It's TOO obvious, but yet here you are questioning it. That's interesting. White people can see it, but you can't.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
I never denied the double-standard...never did. But obeying the law is the best standard. Fay Vincent, former commissioner warned MLB back in the day--in '90 regarding illegal substances in MLB, including steroids. Those who decided to risk it and use anyway are without excuse.
randyjsing 4 years ago
McGuire...I believe he juiced...they should go after him.
Roger Clemens...he's not out of the woods yet.
Nolan Ryan and Cal Ripken? If evidence came up, then yes...
Bonds messed himself up when he got involved with Victor Conte and BALCO, because the evidence was overwhelming. THEN to lie to the GRAND JURY? Can you say Martha Stewart?
randyjsing 4 years ago
I'm outta here. You're not keeping me up all night again.
Later.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
lol...
randyjsing 4 years ago
On June 7, 1991, commissioner Fay Vincent sent a memo to each team and the players union that stated: "The possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or substance by Major League players and personnel is strictly prohibited. Major League players or personnel involved in the possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance ARE SUBJECT TO DISCIPLINE BY THE COMMISSIONER AND RISK PERMANENT EXPULSION FROM THE GAME...INCLUDING STEROIDS..."
randyjsing 4 years ago
Somebody should've listened to the commissioner's warnings..but anyway, to say that "white people" can see it but I can't...well, somehow I think it's funny how law-abiding black athletes are somehow labeled as "acting white" or "playin' house nigga"....for example, those like Hank Aaron...they never deserved that distinction just for being grateful and law abiding...you see the hypocrisy?
randyjsing 4 years ago
You know, your imagination is as active as Cosby's. You're making up stuff, embellishing this pathology, making it seem endemic. Who in the black community characterizes law-abiding blacks as acting white? Who calls Hank Aaron a house n-----? I don't see anyone doing that. No, I don't see the hypocrisy because I don't accept your ridiculous premise.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
Oh...I stand corrected...instead he was called "Uncle Tom", "Sell-out" etc...which was due to the fact that he was "quiet" and "determined" I'll tell you this: if you are black you KNOW what I mean by "acting white" in the black community. Making good grades, going to college, and speaking "proper english" will get you dubbed as "acting white" by a fair percentage of the black community...that's a double standard too!
randyjsing 4 years ago
I don't recall anyone referring to Hank Aaron in that way, at least nobody black. I really have no idea what you're talking about, and I don't think you do, either.
"Acting white?" I hear that far more in the media than in real life. And trust me, I've been in the settings in which that kind of talk and thinking are supposed to be prevelant, and I just don't hear it.
I think you embellish a great deal.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
Now I understand...lol...you're in denial. Let's just agree to disagree and be on our way. If you think I'm "embellishing" then you must've lived in a much different world.
Peace to you...
randyjsing 4 years ago
Must be getting too hot for you.
I'M in denial? That's funny. I must have been living in a different world? That's even funnier. What about the stats regarding blacks and the justice system? And while whites may outnumber blacks on the welfare rolls, a far higher percentage of blacks than whites are on welfare. Now, I'm sure that that has EVERYTHING to do with blacks being lazy and shiftless, and NOTHING to do with unequal opportunity in America, right?
bravenewhope 4 years ago
I'll answer it this way...statistically, do blacks come from a 2 parent household with a mother and a father? How about teenage pregnancy? Household with no father? I haven't said anything about laziness and shiftlessness, but you sure found a way to throw it in! We have been told by our black leaders in the past that the opportunities are here...we need to go get it!
randyjsing 4 years ago
I noticed that you like to evade questions. Quite simply, what do you make of these stats, which clearly suggest that the justice system is used as a tool to systemically perpetuate racism in this country, unless, that is, as you suggest, it relects that poor blacks view law-abiding behavior as "acting white." Based on all that you've said so far, that would be YOUR interpretation.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
Well, you can say I like to evade questions, but your way is quite clever, because you claim to reject the premise of a question that I have asked...thereby absolving you of the need to answer. Well, when I mentioned the hypocrisy within a large part of the black community, Jesse Jackson had just recently referred to Obama as "acting white". Go ahead and reject the premise...but there's something to it...
randyjsing 4 years ago
Another point is that the black middle- and upper-classes are not without their own dysfunctional traits. Broken families, infidelity, spousal, sexual, drug and alcohol abuse, out-of-wedlock children .... the whole nine. So surely if these problems exist among the "best" of us, then they can't be the sole reason for the poor being held back. There must be additional explanations.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
Again, even Bill Cosby has had to acknowledge extramarital affairs during his child-rearing years. Responsible parenting? No. Being a responsible husband? Of course not. Also, flunking the 10th grade 3 times makes him no better than "Shaniqua, Taliqua and Muhammad and all that crap." Why is he talking, but more to the point is why are we signing off on it?
bravenewhope 4 years ago
lol...well, I certainly can't argue that point...because you made a good one.
randyjsing 4 years ago
More than 140 years after slavery, blacks are twice as likely to be unemployed as whites, almost 1/4 of black families live below the poverty line--four times the % of white families, median h/h income for blacks is 40% less than for whites, and blacks make up 50% of the 2.2 million prison inmates, yet only 12% of the general population.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
Elaine Brown, who in '70's became the first female chairperson of the Black Panther Party, is the out-of-wedlock daughter of some uppercrust black getabout from Philadelphia Society, a doctor who turned up his nose to his responsibilty to his daughter, the product of an extramarital affair. If he were poor, I guess we'd all be calling him a burden to our race. But since he wasn't, we ignore his transgression.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
Jackson didn't use this characterization in even remotely the same manner as you suggest. He was referring to Obama's relative silence, as a black candidate, on the Jena 6 situation, implying that Barack has no such luxury as black man. "I'd be all over that issue," Jackson said. It has nothing to do with rejecting academic achievement or blacks who are law-abiding. But I guess that doesn't matter to you. You'll clutch any straw you can find.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
No...I knew he was referencing the Jena 6.
I just thought it was of particular interest that he used that exact phrase..."acting white", especially when it had been the topic of discussion, although it wasn't 100% applicable.
I'm past clutching straws...I'll concede that you have brought up points in our discussions that I'm seriously considering...
randyjsing 4 years ago
I still stand by my main point...which is this...We have made incredible strides over the past several decades...many who have come out of poverty to make a huge difference. I truly believe that we cannot put our head in the sand and act as though systemic racism has no effect on us. (Even though you may think I believe otherwise) However, we are grown-ass men and women who can excel as many before us did! bravenewhope, thanks for challenging me to learn more about the history of my ethnicity.
randyjsing 4 years ago
Quite frankly, it's not necessary to try and somehow convince me that IF I didn't take a Black History course in college, somehow I wouldn't have the credentials to speak in an intelligent manner. So...THOSE WHO HAVE taken the course are now suddenly "enlightened" to the plight of the black man? Careful, because you'd leave out a LARGE percentage of blacks from all walks of life...
randyjsing 4 years ago
But that's essentially what I'm saying. Unless you've made an effort to research your own history, you can't possibly know a great deal about it because it's not a staple of popular culture, at least not in all its truth. And as such, one just ends up sounding like any other schmoe who gets his info from mass media or out of thin air (sometimes I truly don't know the difference), thereby embracing ridiculous stereotypes and other false notions.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
A lot of blacks don't know their history. That's not to say that I know it all, but that's why read DuBois, Washington, Woodson, Bennett and all the rest, because I KNOW I don't know it all. But I certainly know enough to realize that the state of black America does not begin and end with a discussion about personal responsibility on the part of the poor. That's nonsense, but it's typical of how better-off blacks view their poorer brethren.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
You, yourself, commented on how you fail to see how racism is involved when a black criminal is arrested after being caught with his hand "in the cookie jar." Well, that's not the standard for determining whether racism exists. The standard is disparate treatment. The issue is are similarly situated whites treated differently in this society, and the overwhelmingly reality is that they are. Now, if that's the case, then that should mark our starting point in the struggle. It's simple.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
BTW, do you have any GOOD NEWS for black people? Beyond the stats...do you see good news among the horizon? If so, where or whom do you think it will come from?
All I hear is despair from you...as though only whites control our destiny. I'm not buying it....
randyjsing 4 years ago
cont...who did that quote come from? Theodore M. Shaw, president of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund Inc. I know you don't like quotes, but I think it sums up the issue quite well from both sides. Unfortunately, I don't want you to get the wrong idea. I've seen the stats...and I'm saddened...and angry.
randyjsing 4 years ago
"...Following a recent conversation, Cosby and I agreed on this much: To the extent that he is frustrated and angry about the failure of people to be responsible parents, and about senseless crime and violence, I stand with him; to the extent that we continue to be challenged by the systemic issues of race and racism that the Legal Defense Fund has confronted since the days of my predecessor, Thurgood Marshall, Bill Cosby stands with me."
randyjsing 4 years ago
That's nice. They've reached an accord. I'd now like to hear "Dr." Cosby address systemic racism because he sure didn't seem to know what it meant on Meet the Press.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
By the way, answer my question. Did you ever study African American History on the college level?
bravenewhope 4 years ago
Yes..."Acting white" you hear it far more in the media than in real life? That means you must hear it in real life to SOME extent...maybe you misspoke. We all do that sometimes...that's certainly permissible.
Research "acting white"....I'm sure you'll find MUCH more info that isn't merely "media".
randyjsing 4 years ago
I hear "acting white" alright, but mostly from people like you who say that black people apply it to other black people who abide by the law. That's ridiculous.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
Well, you contradicted yourself...so you're doing this just to be argumentative, so I don't know if it's really worth having much more of a discussion with you...
randyjsing 4 years ago
I'll address more of this later when I have a bit more time...
Man, are you sure you AREN'T Michael Eric Dyson? Dang...
randyjsing 4 years ago
Karolyn Tyson and William Darity, both from UNC, refute Ogby's findings, finding that black and white students, at least in North Carolina, have the same attitudes toward their studies. Kids in both groups want to do well and show higher degrees of self-esteem when they do, they concluded.
Sorry, but I know of nothing suggesting that blacks view law-abiding blacks as "acting white."
bravenewhope 4 years ago
I saw it on a site last night...you can find evidence that supports it as well as "evidence" that refutes it. Big Deal. I suspect that many want to do well and show high degrees of self-esteem when they do...but there's a culture within a culture that wants to bring others down...and while this is probably present in every ethnicity, I can relate to my own ethnicity and so can MANY others...
randyjsing 4 years ago
Without addressing whether or not I took African American History in college, I'll certainly say this: African American History in college DID address the "acting white" issue that you seem to somehow deny. Perhaps a different professor addresses it while another ignores it altogether...you know how that goes....ahem...I assume. Research "acting white" some deny it...MANY black scholars acknowledge it.
randyjsing 4 years ago
How would you know what African American History addressed if you never enrolled in it it? The educated black people I know who have never studied their own history, and they are way too many in number, often sound like you .... uneducated on THESE issues.
Tell me, can you at least see a link between slavery and the modern socioeconomic stratification in this country?
bravenewhope 4 years ago
John Ogbu, a Nigerian sociologist, links "acting white" to black students' inability to see the link between academic success and access to jobs due to the glass ceiling placed upon their parents and others in the community by white society.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
clap.....clap....clap....so you researched it...but of course, you mention only the bits and pieces of what he found that match YOUR agenda. There was much more to it than just that, and you know it. lol...
randyjsing 4 years ago
Perhaps I'm being too hard on you. My point is that black people who know their history, who are truly informed about it, understand the nexus between slavery and the current state of black America. Again, not that the concept of personal responsibility isn't understood, but these issues simply can't be dealt with in a vacuum. There's a historical context for this debate, and it needs to be dealt with ACCURATELY.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
Nothing frustrates me more than hearing black folks of the highest pretensions, as far as their work is concerned, suddenly sound like people who never picked up a book by Carter Woodson, W.E.B. DuBois or Michael Eric Dyson when discussing their own cultural and history. That's what I mean when I say that the blacks with the degrees are often the problem in our community. They're not fit to lead with this gap in their knowledge and thinking.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
And I don't quite know what it is about African Americans and their reluctance to learn these things formally. Maybe they felt they'd be stigmatized by those (white people, maybe) reviewing their transcripts for grad and professional school admission. I don't know. It never got in my way. In fact, I consider enrolling in Afro American History and Literature courses to be one of the best moves I made in college. I emerged with a black consciousness.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
Look, every single ethnic group boasts its own history and contributions to our diverse landscape, and they do so from an informed standpoint. Why can't we? Why can't our intelligentsia of doctors lawyers and businesspeople do the same? Why must we start blaming our poor for holding the rest of us back? As long as we're not fighting for them and setting the record staright, we're holding EVERYONE, all of us, back.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
Check out DuBois' "Talented Tenth" theory. Are we, the educated elite, living up to it?
bravenewhope 4 years ago
Here's another stat for you. Blacks comprise 12% of those involved in the illegal drug trade in this country, yet 60% of those behind bars for drug offenses. Now, is that because those hapless, criminally disposed blacks are just determined to make "the rest of us" look bad, or is it because of unbalanced enforcement of the drug laws in this country?
bravenewhope 4 years ago
This is a problem that I have: Blacks are all too comfortable with trying to PLEASE the white man. We'll try to live according to his impossible double-standard while calling the Vicks of the world stupid. It seems we're the ones who are stupid because we're not attacking the double-standard.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
Well, with all due respect to you, we need to attack the double-standard, but calling it racism when someone is caught with their hand in the cookie jar is NOT the way to expose the double-standard. Maybe the media can help--I don't know...but we've got to get wiser.
randyjsing 4 years ago
By the way, blacks comprise 12% of the general population in America, but more than 50% of its prison population. FIFTY PERCENT!!!!! Now, is that because blacks are more prone to committing crimes, or is it because of unblanaced (i.e., double standard) enforcement of the laws of this country?
bravenewhope 4 years ago
Sorry. They WEREN'T stealing poundcake, either. Carry that message to "Dr." Cosby while you're at it.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
Little boy, why have you not raised the alarm about rush scumbaugh(drug addict), bill o'really(sexual harassment) and the rest of the "white right" fools who have the ear of the extremely uninformed white majority?????
flatchest32 2 years ago 3
cont...how about this...THEY WERE CRIMINALS who shouldn't have been robbing in the first place, yet here come some blacks hollering "racism"....try calling it "racism" when these 2 gentlemen weren't committing a crime...call it "racism" when you have solid evidence that the shooter REALLY WAS/IS racist! Otherwise, you sound like a fool!
randyjsing 4 years ago
Instead of calling Michael Vick an ignorant lawbreaker, try attacking the double-standard that holds blacks to a much higher standard of conduct. I mean, really, you don't think white athletes engage in ignorant and illegal activities without their actions reaching the light of day? Du-uh. I'm not concerned about Michael Vick killing dogs. I'm concerned about the double standard.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
If the double standard truly exists, (and it might) then what does that say to the black athlete? Don't do stupid illegal sh**!!!! Especially something so PUBLIC as dogfighting...
Why are white athletes better at getting away with it? What's the root cause?
randyjsing 4 years ago
Okay, I know you're a teacher, which means it's safe to assume that you are educated. I also assume that you're black, perhaps male. Now, with those traits, if you can't see that a racist double-standard definitely exists in America that militates against black progress, then you really don't need to be engaged in this kind of dialogue.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
I know that racism exists, and I know that a racist double-standard exists. I happen to believe it's not as widespread as some want to believe, but it exists nevertheless. I have been the victim of racism, and so have my parents. My black pride demands that I live at a higher standard so as to not give legitamacy to some white who would consider us as 'inferior'. cont...
randyjsing 4 years ago
cont...I know that nobody's perfect. We all make mistakes...it trancends all colors...I'd like to see situations where blacks are accused of crimes that they didn't commit...because if that were true, I could claim racism! However, more often than not, I find out that he/she did INDEED commit a crime(s). I am stunned, then sad, then angry WHENEVER this happens.
randyjsing 4 years ago
My initial point that brought in black athletes in the first place was the fact that "racism" is the accusation EVERY time a black person is involved/caught in some crime or some other embarrassing situation. While I believe that racism does motivate some, to run around the country looking to make an excuse by way of the 'race card' in EVERY situation is getting played out...That was my point.
randyjsing 4 years ago
You're missing my point in all of this. What I'm saying is concentrate on eradicating the double-standard. When you accept that you must live by a higher standard, then your cause is defeated. Every black person who transgresses then looks like an ignorant fool. Whites who transgress, however, don't because they're not held to the same standard of conduct.
Did you ever study African American History in college?
bravenewhope 4 years ago
I see your point, but asking me if I ever studied African American History in college is, once again-- condescending. Not every African American is going to agree on EVERY SINGLE issue...you should know better.
randyjsing 4 years ago
I guess that means NO, you never studied African American History in college. It's obvious. That, then, brings me to the question of why I'm even wasting my time with you. The saddest reality isn't all those substandard poor blacks you claim exist. The saddest reality is an educated black man who doesn't even know his own history, who never learned it in a formal setting, who learns it from the likes of "Dr." Cosby, who cleary doesn't even know it himself.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
To tell you the truth, I'm not telling you anything else about me, because all you've attempted to do is take what little you know and use it against me. Therefore, it's not necessary to let you know anything else. You need to understand that it's more than just "whitey" trying to keep us down...sometimes it's a group within our own ethnicity. For you to deny this is startling...for a 50 year old man.
randyjsing 4 years ago
"...Following a recent conversation, Cosby and I agreed on this much: To the extent that he is frustrated and angry about the failure of people to be responsible parents, and about senseless crime and violence, I stand with him; to the extent that we continue to be challenged by the systemic issues of race and racism that the Legal Defense Fund has confronted since the days of my predecessor, Thurgood Marshall, Bill Cosby stands with me." cont...
randyjsing 4 years ago
Here's an example of the double standard. If you're an unarmed white male and SUSPECTED, or not, of commiting a street crime, you're not gunned down in the streets by the cops. But if you're black, you are. Now, I don't know what the hell is going on Texas, but that's the reality in the northeast. Ever heard of Amadou Diallo? How about Abner Louima? Sean Bell? The list goes on. If so, how could you possibly be talking the nonsense you're talking now? By the way, they stealing poundcake, either.
bravenewhope 4 years ago
cont...Here's an example: you've got the situation in Pasadena, Texas where an old man shot 2 dark-skinned Puerto Ricans....The 2 men were robbing the old man's next door neighbors...the old man went waaay overboard and shot the 2 CRIMINALS dead...I agree he went too far...but why call that racism when these men were ROBBING? cont...
randyjsing 4 years ago