Zenaku, any balanced koryu will have both, as iai/kenjutsu are parts of a whole. In basic terms, iaijutsu is self-defense, on the street with sword sheathed, while kenjutsu is when swords are drawn and fighting is prolonged.
i heard that iaijutsu rank higher than Kendo, and they say that Kendoka cannot win against iaijutsuka. do you guys believe that? since Kendo been training hard on their skills and reaction time, iaijutsu practice kata. Some one tell me
@DessolationDuke To the best of my knowledge Sekiguchi has never referred to the weapon as a Tachi. Though it would depend greatly on your accepted definition of the word. It can be most commonly defined as O-katana, as we wear it tucked into obi. Tachi can mean "field sword" which I have heard our sword called, however typical Tachi are worn slung from the hip for armor and horse riding. Really these words are not as solidly defined as westerners typically think.
@kendoka0girl Not a No-Dachi, just O-katana. Yes you have the first three correct. Yama Oroshi, Takiotoshi, and Ukenagashi. Group: Mae, Tsuredachi, Shinobu, ?Kesa Guruma?, and Nukiuchi. Pair: Kobushidori, Zetsumyoken, and Dokumyoken,
Thanks, i knew that. Exactly what i tried to point out (obviously, not so clearly): that sword is not SOOO long, it IS longer, but Sekiguchi sensei is also mall, so the two facts add to the impression of a "Huge' sword.
I jave great respect for Kome sensei and alliaido/iaijustu expers. No offenses ment.
The only difference i notice about this style of Iaido or "iaijutsu" is that they are doing some shoden, chuden, and even okuden just more faster than usual and I see that his katana is incredibly HUGE!!! I myself practice Muso Shinden Ryu and I love finding Iai videos like this, its just crazy!
After Oe Masamichi's death, MJER divided into three main branches: Hokiyama-Ha, which goes by the denomination of "Iaido"; Yamauchi-Ha ("Iaijutsu") and Masaoka-Ha ("Iaijutsu").
I agree. The larger and harder to wield sword or even a large tree branch, while preforming the iaido skills desired, will likely make an improvement of skills. My sensei used to do so.
Using a longer sword perfects your technique. The shorter it is the easier it will be to get away with bad technique and create bad habits. Please don't study Iaido having things like Miyamoto Musashi and Sasaki Kojiro's duels in mind. This isn't about chambara eiga moves or seeing who's "faster". If that were the case it would be a matter of youth and speed only. My teacher is much older than I am and he'd probably chop my hand off before I could draw in a "real" duel.
His movements seem laboured, and that sword looks gigantic. Sasaki Kojiro was famous for using such a long sword that he called it the drying pole, but Miyamoto Musashi says in the book of five rings that it is impractical to use a sword of such length.
Please do not quote over glorified fictional battles between historical people that have very little factual perspectives. Musashi was also on the side of a lot of losing battles and wars, despite was his book tells you about his famous duels.
I'm questioning your knowledge of iai in general, let alone real sword combat.
In other words, what "Musashi said!" isn't an original argument, please find something credible other than "Five rings" when critiquing any koryu next time.
whoa,slow down coyboy. i was not stating my opinion of this man's technque. I was just making a comment about the length of his sword, not trying to start an argument. If you are this touchy about someone making a comment to start a conversation, then I'm questioning your knowledge of Iai,& weather someone so hot-headed should even be studing Iai. As for my knowledge of Iai: I will admit that I have only been studying for about 6-7 years,& my knowledge is limited. All I can do is keep training.
Firstly, you claim "half a decade" in iai training yet seem not the least bit familiar with sekuguchi komei or what he's trying to accomplish with his gigantic (nearly patented) sword of his, and by citing a highly questionable battle and "Kojiro's pole" having any sort of validity in pointing out any error or labor in Komei's kata just makes you come off as a naive idiot. In other words, if you were as sincere as claimed, Musashi wouldn't be your argument, but Iai.
I think you're right in saying that someone who is seriously interested in Japanese sword play should read/quote more than just Musashi, but I think it is equally inadvisable to dismiss him out of hand. From what I can gather from training for a period in an MJER club and your comments Musashi is not well liked throughout the school, being seen as a bit of a bully and a braggart. But he's not a Japanese national hero and its most internationally renowned swordsman for nothing.
The purpose of having any sword or weapon is to create a range for an attack and an advantage in combat that would not have been present before hand. A naginata is not a hindrance and WILL crush even an expert swordsman. A shinken of 2.85 is no disadvantage. Secondly, speed DOESN'T kill in REAL kenjutsu/iaijutsu. It creates terrible cuts with little power and gets you killed, I mean, outside of "anime and manga". Stop learning bullshido, read history.
Following up in a less harsh manner, the point is a long sword not being an automatic disadvantage or that speed should have an emphasis. I'm not advocating that long swords are or are not "practical", every weapon has its disadvantages, but it is not "impractical" to use such -by default-.
Seikiguchi's sword is gigantic on all accounts, thickness and length. As for if its practical in battle or not, I think the purpose of the seminar/budokan is being missed greatly.
Following up in a less harsh manner, the point is a long sword not being an automatic disadvantage or that speed should have an emphasis. I'm not advocating that long swords are or are not "practical", every weapon has its disadvantages, but it is not "impractical" to use such -by default-.
Seikiguchi's sword is gigantic on all accounts, thickness and length. As for if its practical in battle or not, I think the purpose of the seminar/budokan is being missed greatly.
"Iai" has nothing to do with drawing the scabbard, at least by direct definition. "Nukitsuke" is a drawing cut found in Iai, and is said to be the "life" therein, namely due to it being such a critical moment, life or death just a breath away, etc, all that romantic and philosophical stuff! However, Iai does not just involve an "unsheathing cut".
This is the sum of 3 levels (beginner-intermediate-advance) of Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu, by the master Yamauchi-ha. Follow by a couple of kata by many student, then a kumitachi of 2 people (real combat situation). The event concluded by tameshigiri (test cutting) of the students and sensei by giving a double diagonal cuts. An excellent presentation.
Outstanding! This style is so OG and traditional. I don't think most people understand what they are watching. Because the man is old and very small in stature and the Sword seems extra long. Hahaha!
I train iaijusu in maui and sekiguchis yaegaki is all that
invasion1036 10 months ago
Zenaku, any balanced koryu will have both, as iai/kenjutsu are parts of a whole. In basic terms, iaijutsu is self-defense, on the street with sword sheathed, while kenjutsu is when swords are drawn and fighting is prolonged.
Saavykaas 11 months ago
i heard that iaijutsu rank higher than Kendo, and they say that Kendoka cannot win against iaijutsuka. do you guys believe that? since Kendo been training hard on their skills and reaction time, iaijutsu practice kata. Some one tell me
zenaku85 1 year ago
@zenaku85 iaijutsu all the way
invasion1036 10 months ago
Sure, its is a Tachi! I am practising Muso jikiden Eishin Ryu Iai-Jutsu!
And when Sekiguchi tells me that it is a Tachi wich he uses, then it is surely a Tachi!
DessolationDuke 1 year ago
@DessolationDuke To the best of my knowledge Sekiguchi has never referred to the weapon as a Tachi. Though it would depend greatly on your accepted definition of the word. It can be most commonly defined as O-katana, as we wear it tucked into obi. Tachi can mean "field sword" which I have heard our sword called, however typical Tachi are worn slung from the hip for armor and horse riding. Really these words are not as solidly defined as westerners typically think.
genei09 1 year ago
He uses a Tachi, and nothing else!
DessolationDuke 1 year ago
@DessolationDuke It's not a tachi, it's katana. It's pretty straight for its lenght too, it's nowhere near the curvature of a tachi.
JulianDupuy 1 year ago
Wow, that looked like No-dachi he was using. :)
I recognized Yaegaki, Tsukekomi, Ukigumo, and others from my own practice of MJER.
kendoka0girl 1 year ago
@kendoka0girl Not a No-Dachi, just O-katana. Yes you have the first three correct. Yama Oroshi, Takiotoshi, and Ukenagashi. Group: Mae, Tsuredachi, Shinobu, ?Kesa Guruma?, and Nukiuchi. Pair: Kobushidori, Zetsumyoken, and Dokumyoken,
genei09 1 year ago
This is Sekiguchi Komei, his katana is not so log, he is simply short....
ivicazdravkovic 2 years ago
LOL! Ever held that sword in your hands, or saw it next to a regular sized iaito/katana? Yes, he *is* short... but the sword is huge.
JulianDupuy 2 years ago
@JulianDupuy Sekiguch Komeis sword is 1 meter long and very thick, just as MJERs founder.
Revanq 1 month ago
@ivicazdravkovic
that sword is 2.8 shaku and about 1.6kg. he had it with him at our seminar.
he is short, but that katana is about 10cm longer than your usual katana.
rockinLive 1 year ago
@rockinLive
Thanks, i knew that. Exactly what i tried to point out (obviously, not so clearly): that sword is not SOOO long, it IS longer, but Sekiguchi sensei is also mall, so the two facts add to the impression of a "Huge' sword.
I jave great respect for Kome sensei and alliaido/iaijustu expers. No offenses ment.
ivicazdravkovic 1 year ago
The only difference i notice about this style of Iaido or "iaijutsu" is that they are doing some shoden, chuden, and even okuden just more faster than usual and I see that his katana is incredibly HUGE!!! I myself practice Muso Shinden Ryu and I love finding Iai videos like this, its just crazy!
shotokanshdn 2 years ago
very masculine iaido style sweet
xBboycHinK 2 years ago
The title says this is Iaijutsu, but I thought MJER is Iaido only. Can anyone clear this up.
CptRavage 3 years ago
After Oe Masamichi's death, MJER divided into three main branches: Hokiyama-Ha, which goes by the denomination of "Iaido"; Yamauchi-Ha ("Iaijutsu") and Masaoka-Ha ("Iaijutsu").
JulianDupuy 3 years ago
I agree. The larger and harder to wield sword or even a large tree branch, while preforming the iaido skills desired, will likely make an improvement of skills. My sensei used to do so.
kailcrow 3 years ago
Using a longer sword perfects your technique. The shorter it is the easier it will be to get away with bad technique and create bad habits. Please don't study Iaido having things like Miyamoto Musashi and Sasaki Kojiro's duels in mind. This isn't about chambara eiga moves or seeing who's "faster". If that were the case it would be a matter of youth and speed only. My teacher is much older than I am and he'd probably chop my hand off before I could draw in a "real" duel.
coconino 3 years ago
His movements seem laboured, and that sword looks gigantic. Sasaki Kojiro was famous for using such a long sword that he called it the drying pole, but Miyamoto Musashi says in the book of five rings that it is impractical to use a sword of such length.
drumplumb 3 years ago
Oe Masamichi Sensei liked a short sword
leogan 3 years ago
Please do not quote over glorified fictional battles between historical people that have very little factual perspectives. Musashi was also on the side of a lot of losing battles and wars, despite was his book tells you about his famous duels.
I'm questioning your knowledge of iai in general, let alone real sword combat.
In other words, what "Musashi said!" isn't an original argument, please find something credible other than "Five rings" when critiquing any koryu next time.
BerserkerHawk 3 years ago
whoa,slow down coyboy. i was not stating my opinion of this man's technque. I was just making a comment about the length of his sword, not trying to start an argument. If you are this touchy about someone making a comment to start a conversation, then I'm questioning your knowledge of Iai,& weather someone so hot-headed should even be studing Iai. As for my knowledge of Iai: I will admit that I have only been studying for about 6-7 years,& my knowledge is limited. All I can do is keep training.
drumplumb 3 years ago
Oh boy, where do I start.
Firstly, you claim "half a decade" in iai training yet seem not the least bit familiar with sekuguchi komei or what he's trying to accomplish with his gigantic (nearly patented) sword of his, and by citing a highly questionable battle and "Kojiro's pole" having any sort of validity in pointing out any error or labor in Komei's kata just makes you come off as a naive idiot. In other words, if you were as sincere as claimed, Musashi wouldn't be your argument, but Iai.
BerserkerHawk 3 years ago
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kaifinn 2 years ago
I think you're right in saying that someone who is seriously interested in Japanese sword play should read/quote more than just Musashi, but I think it is equally inadvisable to dismiss him out of hand. From what I can gather from training for a period in an MJER club and your comments Musashi is not well liked throughout the school, being seen as a bit of a bully and a braggart. But he's not a Japanese national hero and its most internationally renowned swordsman for nothing.
Epochofeno 2 years ago
@Epochofeno
I think I can agree.
Aske anyone about Samurai And the majority state 'Musashi'....
Yet he isnt a National Hero,And furthermore alot of hids history can very well be mostly down to Legend has it'.
Nothing substantially proven.
Jahleim72Amaya 1 year ago
also, none of the movements are "laboured"...actually not in the slightest. What are you credentials, if any to say such?
BerserkerHawk 3 years ago
well, the longer the sword, the slower you'll be. Every fool can understand that its impractical to use sword thats too long.
lordtains 3 years ago
Which are you, dense or mentally challenged?
The purpose of having any sword or weapon is to create a range for an attack and an advantage in combat that would not have been present before hand. A naginata is not a hindrance and WILL crush even an expert swordsman. A shinken of 2.85 is no disadvantage. Secondly, speed DOESN'T kill in REAL kenjutsu/iaijutsu. It creates terrible cuts with little power and gets you killed, I mean, outside of "anime and manga". Stop learning bullshido, read history.
BerserkerHawk 3 years ago
Following up in a less harsh manner, the point is a long sword not being an automatic disadvantage or that speed should have an emphasis. I'm not advocating that long swords are or are not "practical", every weapon has its disadvantages, but it is not "impractical" to use such -by default-.
Seikiguchi's sword is gigantic on all accounts, thickness and length. As for if its practical in battle or not, I think the purpose of the seminar/budokan is being missed greatly.
BerserkerHawk 3 years ago
Following up in a less harsh manner, the point is a long sword not being an automatic disadvantage or that speed should have an emphasis. I'm not advocating that long swords are or are not "practical", every weapon has its disadvantages, but it is not "impractical" to use such -by default-.
Seikiguchi's sword is gigantic on all accounts, thickness and length. As for if its practical in battle or not, I think the purpose of the seminar/budokan is being missed greatly.
BerserkerHawk 3 years ago
QUESTION!
i thought iaijutsu was quick slashing from the scabbards...
and is there such a thing as jyuubei style?
traveller89 3 years ago
This can be divided into several things,
"Iai" has nothing to do with drawing the scabbard, at least by direct definition. "Nukitsuke" is a drawing cut found in Iai, and is said to be the "life" therein, namely due to it being such a critical moment, life or death just a breath away, etc, all that romantic and philosophical stuff! However, Iai does not just involve an "unsheathing cut".
BerserkerHawk 3 years ago
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kaifinn 2 years ago
This is the sum of 3 levels (beginner-intermediate-advance) of Muso Jikiden Eishin Ryu, by the master Yamauchi-ha. Follow by a couple of kata by many student, then a kumitachi of 2 people (real combat situation). The event concluded by tameshigiri (test cutting) of the students and sensei by giving a double diagonal cuts. An excellent presentation.
thonza78 4 years ago
C'est vrai que son sabre est énorme...
Cyberpoulpe 4 years ago
Outstanding! This style is so OG and traditional. I don't think most people understand what they are watching. Because the man is old and very small in stature and the Sword seems extra long. Hahaha!
SenseiNinja2 4 years ago
Je me suis toujours demandé commet Komei SEIKIGUSHI puvait dégainer un sabre qui mesure vingt centimètres de plus que son bras. Et il peut...
TOREIKAN 4 years ago