Don't Cry For The Watchtower Society - Rand Cam

[stepfordescapee]

question, in the it states "Mr. McCann has indicated that he donated the shares held by The Watchtower Society[...]" the Society could claim that they did not purchase the shares therefore they are not accountable for the purpose of the money (playing devil's advocate i guess. personally this just adds more weight to their heresy).

[liliput91]

@spartan1881- thanks a lot for clearing the whole thing. Plenty would be mislead by this information. But God really shows that He is not sleeping and had sent a righteous one to make a justification regarding this video. And that is you! You are not a JW but let me wish you, JEHOVA'S BLESSINGS!

[SahMai]

Great video bro!! The watchtower is run by the Illuminati! They say that they have a direct channel to God!! Ye right!!!!! channel 666! Thanks for sharing this video!

Love to you.

Sahmai

[propagandatechniques]

@SahMai You're welcome!  =)

[salvete7]

Why do JW's even comment or watch videos on you tube. I am pretty sure the society says that is considered bad association. They should just go back to sleep and read their watchtower and awakes. I am sure if their elders knew they were commenting on videos they would be very displeased. If it not OK to associate with worldly people why do they interact with people on line. JW go back to sleep

[girlznguitarz]

@steeredwin oh go blow out your old wassooo!!!! Wake up....the WTS is all about the MONEY!!!! It was started by a clever salesman, funded by the Rothchilds.....Judge Rutherford???? a real judge??? He was a drunk which is why they built him a house out of the sheeples view. He drove pretigious cars and still got his liquor when prohibition was in the USA. AFTER YEARS??????they corrected such things....AFTER YEARS????? So Jehovah allows LIES? NEVER!!!!

[propagandatechniques]

@TheAmethyst06 zzzzzzzzz.... zzzz. zzzzz.. zzz..

[TheAmethyst06]

I agree w/Steerdewin. The images/issues cropped up on the Witnesses many are old. They used 2 smoke/celebrate x-mas, but nomore. Everything in our society gets removed & updated, ex: Revised copies of books. @ the very least we owe them brownie pts. 4 admitting 2 the error & changing it. Remember things get better w/age & the bible is interpreted by every1 differently. I can honestly say they have upstanding character & they've tried 2 gain accurate knowledge of their scriptural belief

[TheAmethyst06]

I agree w/Steerdewin. The images/issues cropped up on the Witnesses many are old. They used 2 smoke/celebrate x-mas, but nomore. Everything in our society gets removed & updated, ex: Revised copies of books. @ the very least we owe them brownie pts. 4 admitting 2 the error & changing it. Remember things get better w/age & the bible is interpreted by every1 differently. I can honestly say they have upstanding character & they've tried 2 gain accurate knowledge of their scriptural beliefs.

[TheAmethyst06]

I agree w/Steerdewin. The images/issues cropped up on the Witnesses many are old.  They used 2 smoke/celebrate x-mas, but nomore. Everything in our society gets removed & updated, ex: Revised copies of books. @ the very least we owe them brownie points 4 admitting 2 the error & changing it. Remember things get better w/age & the bible is interpreted by every1 differently. I can honestly say they have upstanding character & they've tried 2 gain accurate knowledge of their scriptural beliefs.

[propagandatechniques]

@steeredwin I see; 1914 is old too. I do not see Watchtower Inc changing anything though. Can it be proven Christ was enthroned as king in 1914? Can it be proven that he appointed "his slave class" in 1919? When this can be proven, JWs will no longer appear like nut jobs to the rest of the world. Words on this message board mean nothing. Show the proof.

[Time2Keeper1]

thank you for the info...bye,bye wtbts.

[bellehaup]

The Society's in the military arms business. Then that explains this:

watchtower-dilemma.blogspot

[spartan1881]

holly molly....that was quite something...now i can ADD this to my personal project i plan to present to the elders at my local congregation......im not disfellowshiped YET, but will soon...and i say that with pride!!

[propagandatechniques]

@spartan1881 Keep me posted! =) If you can videotape it, do it!

[kogamisamurai]

@propagandatechniques thanks for the info im gonna check it out myself. The sad thing is that current jws will gloss over this with some kind of silly excuse. "well we have to make money somehow because we do all this nonprofit work".. or "new light has shown us that the military needed jehovahs help". I bet if jehovah came down and told all the jws today that the wtbts is not "his" they would argue and say "yes it is".

[girlznguitarz]

@spartan1881 thats pretty funny! Ask them what the society does with the billions of dollars it makes.

and I think you meant holey moley he he. seriously though, you need to do as much research as possible. The WTS was a member of the United Nations Library for 10 years....? Then the Guardian Newspaper got a hold of the story and the WTS pulled out.

[dreammepr74]

@spartan1881 You're not falling for this...are you? I'm not a JW but I work at an Information Technology company and this could have been done by any other religious organization because there are OTHER religious organizations that have used the name: Watchtower for wicked purposes. Look into this matter, do research. Jehovah's Witnesses organization is called: Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society and not Watchtower Society...get the facts straight. Sheep in wolve's clothing! read HEBREWS 12:11

[propagandatechniques]

@dreammepr74 Hi again; let me correct you please. There are two corporations - Watchtower (one word) in Brooklyn (a non-profit) where donations are sent, and Watch Tower (two words) in Pennsylvania. Both are run by the same people. Check the inside cover of an English NWT bible and you will see that I am correct. Also, check this reference on the CD-Rom: "A gift annuity is an arrangement whereby one transfers money or securities to the Watchtower Society" (w01 11/1 p. 29).

[spartan1881]

@dreammepr74 actually this is just a single grain in the sand. You're not a JW but I have been for 22 years and believe me I have done much more research than this and KNOW that JW is an evil/false organization so Before you start defending this group get a COMPLETE view of them like i have and you will find out...soon enough. I can frankly give the society the benefit of the doubt from this issue but so much more is mounted on them that it wont even matter....they are WICKED.

[vera747]

you are a force to be reckoned with, thanks for the research, i also know that rand is a company that specializes in mind-control techniques. have you read a book by fritz speigmeir called 'illuminati bloodlines' there is a huge chapter dedicated to the watchtower and it is eye-opening. bless you

[propagandatechniques]

@vera747

Thanks Vera,

Yes I've read a lot of Fritz' things. He's sitting in jail right now because of his work. I am very thankful for all he sacrificed. It's sure good to be out, and I'm glad to know you.

Craig

[MsSwEtii]

uhhh im to yung to understand this i think SOMEONE PLSS EXPLAIN.......

[propagandatechniques]

@MsSwEtii

What this is showing you is that this military funded company is owned largely by the Watchtower Society.

The web site in the video is a U.S. government web site called "Securities and Exchange Commission." It explains the Rand Cam shareholders.

If you are a JW, I would NOT suggest telling others about this, until you are ready to be shunned. Be careful. I'm telling you this as a friend so you do NOT mess up your family and friendships.

[Tavlo]

Interesting... I wonder, if any other religious organizations have something similar...

[hgauthier65]

no volume

[ymaify]

i love this video ! im gonna have alot of people watch it .

[propagandatechniques]

@archeng123

It's not a charge. It's a confirmed fact.

[ah0386]

WOW!

Who would of thought the WT was in some fashion support our boys overseas, LOL! Too much money to dump.

Remember reading this a while back, which contributed to " my awaking".

[Templehatchet]

I am still in awe of the hypocracy. I would really like to know how you found this dirt on the WTS inc. Also that asshole paridiseregain must be a damage control lawyer troll for the Crap Society. Nobody can be that stupid without getting paid or have absolutely no life.

[propagandatechniques]

@Templehatchet

I cannot tell you how amusing paradiseregained is. She's the proverbial Ed Norton to the WTS' Ralph Kramden. =)

[paradiseregain]

@propagandatechniques - Logic is amusing isnt it?

[paradiseregain]

@Templehatchet - credit where credit is due... LOL

[propagandatechniques]

@archeng123

That definitely looks like a letter from the WTS. One problem, however - My video does not list the WTS on anything published by the holding company, as the WTS claimed happened. I have it here listed on the Securities and Exchange Commission's web site. That's a big difference. WTS is lying.

[paradiseregain]

3. How about a share ownership update? The page you pointed the viewers to, last time on the phantom disappearing video was dated 2002. Um... thats like 8 yrs ago? How about showing us the very same shares and their correct owners now? That would be interesting.

[paradiseregain]

2. Dont forget that that Society was unaware that they were named as owners of these shares, there was a clerical error. The Mcann guy owns or owned them not the Watchtower. Easily explained but NO, you just had to respin it. You really do enjoy the accolades dont you? You really and truly have run out of ideas. Same ole Same ole malodorous propaganda Craig. Why dont you just go home and eat some more garlic huh?

[paradiseregain]

1. Just like the Facebook page was taken down by Facebook, and you claim you did it, the vid you claim disappeared was taken down by you. No one hijacked your channel. Do you really think we would believe that? You just want to respin the same story, over again, so that you can put it out there minus the comments that went with it that explained the error. Satanic Propaganda compliments of Craig Stevens over again, is all.

[propagandatechniques]

@paradiseregain

Do you have any evidence to support your claims? This is exactly what your handlers do. You parrot them well.

[WhereIsTruth]

hey Craig,

note how desperate paradiseregain is to defend the WTS not matter what proof is brought.

[paradiseregain]

@WhereIsTruth - Yeah, show me proof that isnt 8 yrs old. It was and is well documented that this was a clerical error. You show me that these shares are still in the WTBS' name.

[propagandatechniques]

@paradiseregain

It's not a clerical error. Your handlers accepted the shares as a gift and then spun it into something you can swallow. Anyobody free of this no longer has to swallow the crap you eat on a daily basis.

[akashafuhr]

@paradiseregain how bout U show it? Or are you afraid to slip down the rabbit hole? Hold on to your truth thats fine.. But if they are truth they would have no problem with you presenting the facts.. OO and like Propa Man u need to show it on a site OTHER than the watchtower... Chop chop.. The "World" is Waiting...

[paradiseregain]

@akashafuhr -update on the shares owners NOW.. simple sweetie.

[paradiseregain]

@paradiseregain - oh and I didnt make the vid - propupnothing did.. so it figures that he provide LA EVIDENCE> He's the hotshot lawyer to be ... or he wants to be so there's not time like the present. EVIDENCE MA GIRL EVIDENCE>LETS SEE DA EVIDENCE - APRIL 2010 !!!

[propagandatechniques]

@paradiseregain Why are you talking to yourself? Maybe you'll be able to count your time if you actually reply to someone other than yourself. =)

[paradiseregain]

@propagandatechniques - its fun - a waste of time, like your videos. That comment was meant for .....let me see... who was it ..?.......ribcage or someone.. anyways.. yall got to read it.. didnt ya? LOL

[propagandatechniques]

@paradiseregain

I'm amazed that you are trying to hang onto a lie that wolves in sheeps' clothing brought to you. These are false prophets buying up mansions (beth sarim) and airplanes - accruing wealth the world over and you live in denial of this. If the WTS were to get caught in bed with prostitutes you'd find a way to disbelieve it.

[WhereIsTruth]

@propagandatechniques

LOL...i don't know....is he allowed to count his time if he's talking to us "apostates"?

[akashafuhr]

@paradiseregain ok.. How was that a answer to me. This is the problem with JW's they wait for food and knowledge to be given to them.. Instead go find it and u might appreciate the experience more! Your hands broken? YOu can't type into search engines to find proof for yerself?

[paradiseregain]

@akashafuhr Ash 1. this video has been up before as we all know plus its comments regarding its content have already been posted. It and the comments have now mysteriously vanished. I am sorry, but I dont believe that someone else other than Craig took it down. The comments given on the first posting of this video, contradicted Craigs assertion as have the comments now placed here.

[paradiseregain]

@akashafuhr 2.  I am saying and legitimately so, that if you make such an assertion then you have to prove it and in doing so, we will all see who the true owners of the shares now are. The info he has provided now twice, is 8 years old. He is saying again, that the WTBS owns these shares, I am saying PROVE IT THEN. End of story.

[propagandatechniques]

@paradiseregain

Do you understand that the SEC web site makes it clear that James McCann controls the stocks? The fact is, the WTS WAS holding, regardless if they are now or not. They lied when they claimed they never held them. If I show my mother and father the SEC web site and the WTS letter, which do YOU think they're going to believe?

[propagandatechniques]

@paradiseregain

The burden of proof is on you to show me something from the SEC that says the WTS no longer is in a position to have the stocks "bequeathed" to them.

Please find me something. Thanks.

[paradiseregain]

@akashafuhr I dont have to do the searches you are suggesting. I have no reason to. I have already seen the letter that denies that the WTBS own these shares. But Craig, or Propagandatechniques, is still slinging the mud, by asserting that the WTBS still own these shares. SO I say, PROVE IT! SIMPLE. His assertions wouldnt stand up in a court of law and he knows it but for purposes of his propaganda on here, his assertions have to seem legit. Its a total con. And you all have fallen for it.

[seniuseniu]

@paradiseregain "by asserting that the WTBS still own these shares" so you are saying that they did own them ? O-O

[paradiseregain]

@seniuseniu - I suggest you read my comment again, I was referring to Craig asserting that the WTBS still own these shares and if you also note, asked him to provide proof. Thanks.

[paradiseregain]

@seniuseniu - The WTBS were cited as owners but this was due to clerical error. See the post on the letter from the WTBS.

[propagandatechniques]

Tell me please how the Watchtower's name got implicated in this deal. This isn't rocket science. There is no legitimate reason the Watchtowers' name is included in this deal. For a fact, the name has never been retracted by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Why not?

[paradiseregain]

@propagandatechniques - Prove it!

[paradiseregain]

@propagandatechniques - it makes no difference to me whatsoever. See ya.

[propagandatechniques]

@paradiseregain

So, let me see if I understand you:

Your lies, put downs, false accusations and attempts to frame me by design have all been done because none of this makes any difference to you whatsoever?

[paradiseregain]

@propagandatechniques - Frame you by design....Hmmmmmm interesting turn of phrase you use there. That actually encapsulates perfectly what you are trying to do to the WTBS and those you only believe are trapped within it... by means of your Youtube channel. And now, LOL....you accuse me of doing something you yourself are doing, now that is an interesting turn up for the books.

[propagandatechniques]

Show me where I've lied please.

1) You lied about my dealings with Keith.

2) You lied about me abusing you.

Those are two right off the bat. You are a slanderer, just like your father the devil.

[paradiseregain]

@proptechniques - as already said, I can only go by what you yourself say. Um.. it might help if you go over what you yourself have said. Hmmm .... Yes that will help. And about the abuse, verbal it was, why dont you ask the Youtube management. You so want to be seen as squeeky clean dont you, but you cannot, its impossible. Its like the reason you left the truth, I remember you saying that you had had 2 girl friends, now that means to me you may have been d'fshpd.. will we ever truly know? Hmm?

[propagandatechniques]

@paradiseregain

I made it quite clear - I had two girlfriends whiule inactive after my divorce, came back, was privately reproved, became a full time pioneer and ministerial servant, was being groomed for circuit overseer, and then walked right out two weeks before the CO visit. I knew it was a destructive cult using mind control.

[paradiseregain]

@propagandatechniques - Childlike peeps have childlike memories. In your case, its purposefully selective also. But never mind Yr. Propupnothingness, its all in a days apostatising isnt it?

[msm1876]

@paradiseregain Hey, paradisegain. You defend your org a good bit here...would you like to take a gander at my "dismantling the Watchtower series?" Click on my channel, and start with the overview. It goes from there. I've not yet gotten any JW feedback, and perhaps you could give me some.

[propagandatechniques]

@msm1876

Hey! Go find your own stalker! =)

[akashafuhr]

@propagandatechniques LMAO! We can share!! Can't we?

[Ribcagehacksaw]

@paradiseregain Reality Check! If this was a clerical error made 8 years ago would not the legal dept at WTBTS make SURE this information would be corrected if it was indeed incorrect? Who cares if the shares are no longer in the WTBTS name, they were at one time. Come on! Please wake up! Your argument makes you look confused.

[propagandatechniques]

@Ribcagehacksaw

I would imagine the WTS figured out some legal maneuver to get their corporation off the list of names, while still being owners. Since James McCann controls the shares, I'd speculate he has quite a bit of influence over the WTS.

[paradiseregain]

@propagandatechniques - You would imagine? See I was right ! Mcann controls the shares - you say it yrself.......Then you say.... I'd speculate.....You know zilch and have proved nothing.....you are full of wasted hot air ! All for the sake of a little malodourous propaganda - could we have expected any less? Show us a vid of who owns the shares NOW ! I dare you....

[paradiseregain]

@Ribcagehacksaw - well I think the issue would be resolved if Craig reposted the comments already recieved about this issue on the video that 'disappeared' all of a sudden, I am sure he still has them. The answers were all there.. but they have conveniently vanished into thin air... funny haha? NO .... funny peculiar..and again kinda timely.....forgive my skepticism.....

[paradiseregain]

@propagandatechniques - you made the accusation - you provide the up to date evidence !

[TimKilgore]

@archeng123 I saw this link, you should post this as a video response to this video. I think the letter in question is a bit o' the theocratic warfare.

[propagandatechniques]

@TimKilgore

I agree - theocratic warfare at its best. do you know where the video with this letter is?

Also, the letter claims the WTS was listed on a letter published by the holding company (Rand Cam). What I have here is not anything published by Rand Cam. This is a U.S. government web site. I trust whoever put this info on the SEC's site over the WTS' debunking letter. I love seeing WTS do this. It reaffirms what liars they are.

[IWannabeJew]

Isn't the official name The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York / Pennsylvania, Incorporated?

Is it possible there is another "The Watchtower Society", also religious (maybe a splinter group), that owns this stock?

[propagandatechniques]

@IWannabeJew

Um, no.

[mylilsaffire]

BS they don't know..they would get reports on the activities of the company if they are an owner in the company...so they know what they make....

[forensicgirl3]

Maybe I'm a bit more cynical than you, but there's no way they CAN'T know. They have people whose job it is to know and account for every penny and the source of that penny that comes into the corporation. If a single apostate can find out about this, what's their excuse.

I'm frustrated and angry. This is pretty damning evidence but if this gets worldwide exposure like the WT becoming an NGO...

[forensicgirl3]

All the Watchtower will do is set their spin doctors on it. They may even dump the stock. My point is, they'll make a weak excuse and the rank and file will accept it without blinking.

And...life will go on as usual in the WT.

[Revolt1680]

@forensicgirl3 No, they won't dump it, there's too much to gain from the stock. The registered stockholders haven't been changed. I work with donors, and people demand that their information is up to date and properly credited to them. This would definitely not have dragged on for 8 years.

[clnmyjts]

craig. The US navy new smart war -fighter array of re-configurable modules..RE-CONGIGURABLE modules? SMART WAR? SMART DUST?

They U.S. navy has alway been the ones dealing with black opps

contrail / chem spray connection

[Revolt1680]

@clnmyjts Lots of "silent" things have been flying over, I hear some new statement every day. Could some of them be prototypes already using the rand cam engine?

[propagandatechniques]

@clnmyjts

Thanks Russ.

[propagandatechniques]

@archeng123

I checked it out, but no source material. I googled the key words he was quoting and it took me to JW(dot)net, but again, it was a rumor with no link. I'd be interested in seeing something tangible on this.

[Revolt1680]

All legal documents still credit half of all Rand Cam stock to the Watchtower Society, despite any denial letter they may have sent out. It's like being caught on camera doing something incredibly hypocritical, then denying it based on your own values. In the end, the Watchtower Organization will gain an amazing amount of profit through ownership of this stock. No one gives away a fortune of this type. But keep believing the lie, because that's what they expect of you.

[propagandatechniques]

@Revolt1680

I want to point out that my original video disappeared that I put up back in May 2009.

See the "more info" section here.

[propagandatechniques]

@Revolt1680

Can you get me a link, SEC page, anything to confirm this please? Thank you.

[Revolt1680]

@propagandatechniques What confirms this to me is that it hasn't been changed. If this stock belongs to someone else, they are going to expect it to be in their name.

I did find something interesting though. I'm sending it to you as a personal message.

[paradiseregain]

@Revolt1680 - go public here.. whats the issue?

[Revolt1680]

@paradiseregain Why don't you do your own research? I have a right to talk to Craig personally when I want another set of eyes. That's what's called checking out info before proclaiming it. Try it sometime instead of being a puppet.

[paradiseregain]

@Revolt1680 - Because I didnt make the accusatory video - propupnothing did. So he should provide the up to date evidence - its only fair - he's studying to be the lawyer isnt he? So show us what yr made of counsellor!

[Revolt1680]

@paradiseregain Everyone else here is discussing information except you. This is not an argument. I think we all understand that you don't want to know, and that's okay. You have no proof of the Watchtower's innocence, so I'm sorry, there's nothing you can do. You can only put your standing as a member of your congregation in jeopardy by staying involved.

[drlove76]

Oh my f*cking god! 50% share hold! LOL and then I could not have joined police force because I'd had to carry a fire arm.

[Tawna54321]

@drlove76

It's screwed up, ain't it!?

[propagandatechniques]

@archeng123

Read the "more info" section.

[Revolt1680]

That document does repeat itself quite a bit, but it is definite. The Watchtower organization owns 50% of the stock, which is notable.

[WhereIsTruth]

wow,

i bet no witnesses know that there donations are going to military investments.

i like how the Governing Body are such hypocrites, how about you?

[WhereIsTruth]

...i guess this is just like how they applied to the UN as a NGO.

now why would you apply to an organization that you have identified as "the image of the Wild Beast"?

[Revolt1680]

@WhereIsTruth Don't you remember the excuse; it was for library priviledges... but I was once counseled for going onto an airbase for an air show. Naughty me! Thinking I had some sort of freedom. Tsk, tsk.

[WhereIsTruth]

@Revolt1680,

peace...surely all the information that exposes the hypocrisy is going to cause a mass exodus at some point.

[paradiseregain]

@WhereIsTruth - no exodus, just sighs of oh boy, it's not that Craig Stevens again, is it, trying once again to malign the Watchtower. Old hat, same ole same ole. It gets more boring by the minute....

[WhereIsTruth]

@paradiseregain,

the problem is...most of the things being brought out about the Watchtower Society are true.

it's a fact that 1914 was derived by Russell using calculation from the great pyramid of Giza...and astrology. this is stated in the 1903 and 1925 Watchtowers, and there is actually film footage of Russel giving the discourse with the pyramid chart...

[WhereIsTruth]

...it's a fact that while they claim Jesus appointed them as the "true religion" in 1918 they were still celebrating Christmas and using the cross. it is a fact that many of the early publications had Babylonian symbols on them.

it's a fact that Russel's memorial stone is a pyramid with masonic symbols on it.

how about a Watchtower study article that addresses all these issues....seeing how it's "the truth" and all.

[propagandatechniques]

@WhereIsTruth

Aren't you glad you aren't involved with this nonsense?

[Revolt1680]

@propagandatechniques It has been a real blessing to have the ability to stand back and take a look at what I once blindly followed without feeling guilt. To be free is priceless.

[propagandatechniques]

@Revolt1680

You are so right.

[IWannabeJew]

@WhereIsTruth lmao!

[Ribcagehacksaw]

@WhereIsTruth -Because you are the beast's mouthpeice bitch.

[WhereIsTruth]

@Ribcagehacksaw,

no...i'm not the mouthpiece for the New World Order.

but you are a foul mouthed person.

do you always attack people who have done nothing to you??

[Ribcagehacksaw]

@WhereIsTruth I was referring to the WTBTS im sorry I really should have clarified that. We're on the same team!

[WhereIsTruth]

@Ribcagehacksaw

lol...okay

i couldn't figure out what was going on.

[propagandatechniques]

@WhereIsTruth

This is where things get really strange - I went to send this vid to a JW today, and it was removed from youtube. It said "This video has been removed by user."

I DID NOT remove this video, in spite of what it says.

Check "more info."

[Revolt1680]

@propagandatechniques How is this even possible? Crazy! Is it still gone?

[paradiseregain]

@propagandatechniques - yadda yadda yadda.....

[paradiseregain]

@paradiseregain - And the disappearing video saga goes on...... LOL

[propagandatechniques]

@WhereIsTruth

I'm sure the GB isn't even aware of this. They are the most unsuspecting puppets of all.

I'm sure when the WTS is fully exposed, the "slave class" will force the GB to take the bullet for them.

[WhereIsTruth]

really Craig,

the GB isn't in charge. well, who's running the show?

[propagandatechniques]

The "slave class." It's like the Wizard of Oz (slave class) has puppets it pushes out in front. with the Watchtower Society, that would be called "governing body."

I suspect the stockholders of this corporation (WTS) are named "Conley." Do a search in the WT Library under the name "Conley." You will find one search result.

[akashafuhr]

@propagandatechniques I agree with you!!! And if shit hits the fan who u think will take the heat from the media and gov't  The Governing Body,,... Like i said before I think the Brainwashing and manipulation is just that deeply rooted...