Your entire argument is based on the fact its NAMED a Ferrari. That isnt even an argumentative statement. and it really just hurts ur side. Just because Ferrari USED to be the best doesn't mean anything. Lots of things used to be the biggest name or highest end and then they fade away. ur trying to grasp onto a NAME, NOT anything tangible, as your leg to stand on. and its falling away... Falling fast. American caught up and your just jealous
@scoobyfan2009 know a good car?? How bout a 100k car that puts up numbers similar to that of a ONE MILLION dollar enzo!! Not to mention the fact that it has options (that reduce performance) the enzo doesn't, such as climate control. Never see the enzo in the shop?? Tell that to the Ferrari team that brought the enzo to Nurburgring and had the steering damper break while it was on the track!! And for 100k you get a pretty damn good interior when comparing it to the stripped-out enzo's.
Again.... I don't know how the ENZO got brought up by you from the beginning. But.... the Italia puts up as good of numbers as the ZR1, looks 10x's better, has 10/10 interior, Never drove a 458 but I have rode in a ZR1 I would imagine that the 458 which I have heard has a epic drive ride. Plus you won't be in the shop every week like you would be in the ZR1. It's a FERRARI! The name alone makes it better than a Chevy..... I'm done arguing with you... Ferrari is 10x's > than the ZR1.
@scoobyfan2009 dude im not going to sit here and act like i care what a little kid thinks over the internet, but ur saying the corvettes interior sucks, and i totally agree. But what no1 seems to understand is, top of the line corvette is around like 100 grand, a ferrari is like 4-5 times that much u could use all that money on the vette and make one bad ass smothe riding mother fucker so dont ride my dick i dont care what u stupid british scrawny dick faggots think.
Well for one I'm not a little kid. Secondly I'm not a Britt. The top of the line ZR1 is 126k! And the 458 is less that 2X's that. I also can tell you that the Ferrari won't be in the shop 3 months after you but it. Along with the ZR1 loosing around 40% of it's value in a year compared to the Ferrari which will be worth 5 times what it is worth right now in 15 years. At the end of the day you would still be in a overly priced Corvette. I could afford either of the two cars. You can't.
let me just point out that the ferrari costs 3 times as much as the vette, yet it can't beat it. same with other ferraris, close to 2-3 times price of a zr1, but not even 1/10th more performance. really, ur paying for a horse badge, a shinier paintjob and a nicer interior. I dont care for any of that, i wanna make ferrari owners cry at the track :P
Bad drivers.......realy bad........terrible. How can you change the gears(ZR1), to make a top speed, changing with 5000rrpm????? Are you an idiot??? That car can puch 7200rpm until cut the engine. The ferrari can puch 8500rpm or more..........
@scoobyfan2009, that's the problem with that top speed run, than ran it in 5th from way down low so it couldn't develop the momentum to propel it past the 160 range quicker :(
Well it was 4100-4200 RPM when they started in 5th. That is not to low of a RPM. I would still take the Ferrari any day even if the ZR1 was faster.... But it is not faster than the 458 :)
@scoobyfan2009 how do you figure..? 640 bhp v.s 560bhp similar weight and both rwd..not just that the enzo beats an italia..and a zr1..beats an enzo? soooo yahhh
Well the Ferrari weighs almost 200 pounds less. Plus the gear box has alot to play, along with aerodynamics... There will eventually be a video of the two racing on youtube.
@route66rocks obviously. Thats why all of a sudden they're bitchin about the ZR1 having a supercharger and not being naturally aspirated. Yet no one EVER says a damn thing about the 911 and GTR's turbos, or the veyrons QUAD turbos. And I love the hatred toward the vettes interior. Yet no one EVER says a damn thing about the enzo not even having a fucking interior!! Ahhh, european jealousy, you gotta love it!!
The Enzo is made to be a track car.. Not a street/track car. The Enzo is not meant to be driven every day or even a few days out of the week. The Vette is.. The Corvette has HORRIBLE interior! You can get 10x's better interior out of a $25,000 Cobalt. The Vette is fast as hell but has HORRIBLE build quality! Plan and simple.. Ahhh, American Inbred check fuckers, gotta love it!
@scoobyfan2009 Look at it this way. Enzo: million bucks, ZR1: 1/10 that. 0-60 times: roughly the same. Top speed: Enzo wins by about 15 mph. Ring times: enzo by about a second (yes, ONE second). So this "track car" barely beats the vette, yet the vette has navigation, stereo, and dual climate control. So again, the Ferrari has NO INTERIOR AT ALL, BARE FUCKING BONES (including manual windows) and barely beats an "accessorized " car.
@scoobyfan2009 and so you know as far as the "quality" of the ZR1. You show me a car that produces over 600hp and has "enzo like" performance that has a 5 year 100,000 mile warranty. The enzo only has a 2 year warranty. Corvettes will NEVER have Bentley-type interiors, that doesn't mean the car is crap. Everything needed for performance is top notch, thats why it's so bad ass. Only women should get in such awesome machines and nag about the trim around the gear shift.
You are right there is not car that can compete with that kind of warranty. The Nissan GTR is the closest thing to it. Which it is a better car as well. You are a complete tool if you think only a women would complain about the interior. You're telling me that if you are going to spend over 100k on a car that you wouldn't care if there was interior from a $15K car? I am a co owner of a mercedes/BMW dealership So I'm quite sure I know what people look for in cars and their interior!!
@scoobyfan2009 dude, the ZR1's interior isn't "horrible". Don't know of many 15k cars with leather wrapped dashes, and leather seats. The ZR1's main purpose is to be a bad ass car, and it is. Funny, Ferrari did the same thing with the Enzo. They put NO interior in it, bare fucking bones, and people LOVED IT!!! Yet the ZR1 gives you the same performance (if not better now) and all people can say is that it's crap because of the cup holders!!! Vettes will NEVER have Bentley interiors.
@scoobyfan2009 and dude, if you think ANY Ferrari is going to be more reliable then the proven push-rod technology that a vette engine has then you are BEYOND lost! Hell the Enzo couldn't even go around the ring without breaking a steering damper! Despite which car you love or hate, don't start making shit up. Vettes have some of the best customer satisfaction ratings out there. That's why chevy gives their engines warranties that Ferrari will never come close to, while still providing more HP.
@scoobyfan2009 You can still love your Ferrari's. Thats fine. But don't call everything that is not a Ferrari crap. I'll continue to beat the shit outta Ferrari's, Porsche's, (no Lambo's....yet) with my crotch rocket. My only loss?? A built Z06 vette!!!!
I have not called everything that wasn't a Ferrari crap. I'm not even the biggest Ferrari fan. There are tons of other cars I would take over one. But the whole point was to say that the ZR1 was not in the same class as the 458 was. I would take my 2005 HPF M3 over one any day. I run off and leave crotch rockets all day! A Busa is the only thing that even is half way close. I would DESTROY a ZR1 with my HPF... You are a bike tool.... wrong place m8t...
@scoobyfan2009 OK your right, the vettes and Ferrari's aren't in the same class. One's for people with too much money and the other is for people that really enjoy raising hell in their car. I like the fact that you have a "sleeper" STI. But dude, I've seen your vids and have ridden a 08 Busa (best friend has one). You wouldn't stand a chance. That busa gets to 150 before you know it. My 750 would walk away too. Where do you live?? I'd love to prove my point. I'm in NC.
that zr1 is amazing considering chevy has to build cars by certain regulations and ferrari doesnt ferrari can give you an all out race car with 6 mpg cuz its a specialty company but chevy cant they have to go by certain guidelines so chevy gives you a fast car at agreat price thats alot easier to maintain and you still get good gas mileage I wanna see ferrari make a car that can do that
@Tommy454ss WTF are you talking about? Every car company that sells cars in the US has to meet the SAME regulations: emissions, safety, lighting, etc.
The ZR1 can barely out run a Ferrari with a 4.3 liter V8 and no supercharger, it would be a total joke if GM try to match that level of performance within the same constraints.
@Zalaan ANY car company could build a Corvette because of how dead pan simple they are, and that's exactly why you wont see Ferrari building something that cheap and simple.
@idontcare80 Lol that's a pretty dumb statement considering everything a corvette has; Power/mileage/price/comfort/sound/looks/performance/dependability, nothing even comes close with all things considered. The GTR gets close but still loses in price and mileage to the corvette, price including insurance costs. The Viper gets close except for mileage and price. other then that the corvette is still on top.
@TiKondaRoga What's funny? Realize how stupid your comment was? The GT-R is less expensive that the ZR1, so I don't see what your point was there. Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, etc do make expensive vehicles, but they are also VERY well fitted. If you've ever sat in a Corvette you would understand that they aren't any better fitted than an average Pontiac. There is just no comparison between a Chevy and the other supercars on those grounds.
@idontcare80 Lol no but appearantly you realized how stupid your other comment was, that's why you deleted it. First off, I never said ZR1 you moron. The Z06 beats the GTR in more catagories then vise versa. And yes, I have driven many corvette's as well as porsche's. Granted I've never driven a ferrari or lamborghini, but still. To be honest I think Porsche's are peices of crap, with ugly interior. It's just brainless tools who stereotype corvette's to have shitty interior.
@TiKondaRoga Where exactly does the Z06 outperform the GT-R? The drag strip? Maybe, by a tiny margin. Who cares? Your opinion about the interior of the Corvette is a very rare one, so you can think whatever you want about that.
I deleted my comment because I knew I could come up with a better response.
@idontcare80 Hah. The Z06 is actually faster 0-100, it is indeed faster on the drag strip even when the GT-R uses it's launch control. Without the launch control the GT-R is FAR slower, and depending on who you want to beleive (although I think Nissan's response to the allogations says it all), the Z06 is also faster on the circuit (That's a report from Porsche btw not GM). And no no, you deleted it in hopes to elaborate more in an attempt to not seem like such a bafoon.
@idontcare80 Lol what? Well I was talking about Nurburgring in particular, which their website says the Z06 is 7:43 and the GT-R is 7:29. But I was talking about Porsche contesting the GT-R's time, their drives were running high 7 minutes in the GT-R. Nissan admitted to using slicks on their runs, but said it would still run the same time without them, but they never came back to officially re run it. And every site I go to says the GT-R w/ TC does 11.9...
@TiKondaRoga Who cares what Porsche says? The GT-R competes with the Porsche 911, of course they are going to say it doesn't do as well as it actually does.
Nissan never admitted to using slicks, that's just a web rumor.
I've never seen the Z06 put up a faster time on ANY track.
The 1/4 mile time I have for the GT-R is from R&T.
What's sad is that GM had to use a hugely carbon fiber chassis and a supercharged 6.2 liter engine to barely outpace a big, heavy, 4 seat grand touring car
@idontcare80 lmao barely? And so now it's unfair that the ZR1 is SC? That whopping 6psi super charger is really unfair against those twin 17psi turbos appearantly. Trying to negate from the fact that it's still an AWD car on a rough track barely beating a N/A RWD car won't save you in this arguement. And yes, the spokesman for Nissan's race team admitted to using non-factory stock tires. I for one don't like Porsche, I think they're cry babies, and make gay cars.
@idontcare80 Ok, but when they officially ran it the first time, with people there to witness it and look at the car before the fact. The GT-R only did 7:35. So all of the sudden there's no one around and they run 7:29? A bit odd...That's a huge difference on a track like that.
@TiKondaRoga I don't get what you're saying. I can find a 7:56 run, a 7:49 and a 7:43 for the Z06. Cars turn different lap times with different drivers, different conditions, etc, that's just how it is. The larger the track, the bigger the differences will be.
There is video proof of the GT-R's 7:29 run, just like there is video proof of the Z06's 7:43 run and the ZR1's 2:26 run. All of those times make sense to me.
@idontcare80 Proof from the cockpit? Lmao. Well that doesn't prove the tires were stock, or any other mods for that matter. And it was the same driver every time for Nissan's runs in the Gt-R. And it's Germany, weather conditions there don't really change in the sense of armospheric pressure. The tempature stays relativly the same there...
@TiKondaRoga Ok then, so the GM runs were BS as well? All they have is video proof from the cockpit. I gave you a link that proved the 7:29 run was made on stock tires.
The track does get wet and that has a MUCH larger effect on times than anything. Nissan Motors posted a 7:38 when the track was wet.
You're really confused, I think, so it's hard to make any point that sticks with you.
@idontcare80 Well actually Porsche did claim the Z06 and ZR1 times were bogus aswell. As did they with the ACR viper (which from what I understand actually holds the record for factory stock times). But that wasn't really the subject. Although it does kind of clearify what I'm saying. Do a search of it; Porsche bought a GT-R and did several runs with several professional drivers, and never got close to Nissan's claimed times, and infact only got a best time of 7:53.
@TiKondaRoga Well, maybe Porsche's times for all of these cars are more accurate, but I would seriously doubt it. Porsche isn't exactly an unbiased party when it comes to Nurburgring times.
The Porsche 911 GT2 RS and the Gumpert Apollo Speed both have faster times than the Viper ACR on the Nurburgring.
@idontcare80 I completely agree with you about Porsche being Bias. I wouldn't exactly call the Gumpert Apollo a factory car. And the 911 GT2? Umm isn't that the one the GT-R beat? Hents Porsche's complaint?
@TiKondaRoga Both the Apollo and the ACR are considered to be road legal track day cars. The GT-R was competing directly with the 911 turbo, the GT2 and GT2 RS are different versions of the 911.
@idontcare80 The standard 911 turbo isn't fast at all that doesn't make much sense, even the GT2 is no faster then a Z06... I don't know about the RS though. But the Apollo is more of a race car like a Saleen S7, or Aero, not exactly something you go down the street to buy.
@TiKondaRoga If you have $100,000 - 200,000+ to spend on a car, it probably doesn't matter much where you have to go to buy it. The Apollo and Viper ACR are in the same class, period. The BASE 911 Turbo is every bit as fast as the Z06 in acceleration and quite a bit faster on the 'Ring. The GT2 is even faster and the the GT2 RS is much, MUCH faster. The RS is nearly as powerful as the ZR1 and weighs quite a bit less. Just look this stuff up man.
@idontcare80 Lol what? No no, the GT2 ran 7:38 on the nurburgring, which is only 4 seconds faster then the Z06. Sorry dude but that one is actually on the Porsche website itself. The GT2 RS and ZR1 are almost identicle in power and times i.e. 1/4 mile, 0-60, top speed. The Base Turbo 911 has less power then a Z06.
@TiKondaRoga No what? The Z06 ran a 7:42 in a GM conducted test, 911 Turbo ran a 7:38 in a Porsche conducted test. 4 seconds is a pretty good amount of time. The Z06 gets to 60 in 3.4 seconds and runs an 11.7 in the 1/4, so does the 911 Turbo. The GT2 RS has 620 hp and weighs 3,020 pounds, so the power to weight ratio is BETTER than the ZR1. The GT2 RS mops the floor with the ZR1 on the 'Ring. I don't understand where I was wrong anywhere.
@idontcare80 The GT2 ran 7:38 not the 911 Turbo. You probably searched the 911 turbo and got info on the GT2, it kept happening to me when I was searching the 911 turbo's weight. The GT2 also is lacking in torque compared to the ZR1 by about 100tq. The ZR1 is also 18 more hp, with out turbo and VVT lag, unlike the Porsche. So power to weight ratio is kind of even with all things considered.
@TiKondaRoga Torque doesn't do shit for performance, power to weight ratio is all that really makes any difference. The GT2 runs a 7:34 with stock tires and a 7:32 with R compound tires. There isn't really any lag in most modern turbocharged cars, VVT PREVENTS lag and broadens the torque curve. You really don't know anything about cars do you?
@idontcare80 Lol wow,"torque doesn't do shit for performance". But I don't know shit about cars? Hahaha. Turbos will always have a lag. You do know how turbos work right? At low RPM's the car isn't pushing enough power to make use of a turbo, and some turbos depending on size won't even spin fast enough to create a power increase until high RPM's. And VVT ONLY engages at a cars top RPM band, yes it changes the torque curb but at high RPM's it doesn't mean shit. Pffff sad.
@TiKondaRoga Ok then, show me an example of torque providing an performance advantage.
Allow me to correct my wording: There isn't really any NOTICEABLE lag in most modern turbocharged cars. Turbos are ALWAYS being run by the engine, even at idle. Most modern turbos are producing significant boost at around 1,500 rpm, just a bit above idle. Read up on VVT, I really don't want to explain it all to you. I wrote a good amount of the VVT article on Wikipedia, check it out.
@idontcare80 Lol then Wiki has some deleting to do...Turbo lag has everything to do with; Turbo size, turbo location, atmospheric pressure, Engine type, and fuel type. Every car is different. VVT is very simple, it's essentially the same thing as a car with larger cam/s but only at a higher RPM. Thus HP being rated at a cars RPM band making a car like a mustang only actually about 350HP before VVT, and 412HP after.
@TiKondaRoga WTF? YOU are trying to explain to ME what VVT is? Are you fucking kidding? GO LEARN ABOUT VVT.
VTEC is like what you're describing, but most VVT systems, by far, don't work that way (the Mustang engine does NOT). Also the primary (low rpm cam) in cam changing VVT systems (like VTEC) are designed for low rpm torque as well as low emissions, good fuel mileage, etc. So an engine with a cam changing VVT system has a big advantage at low rpm over an engine with a "large" cam.
Modern PRODUCTION CARS (I'm not talking about some econobox with a turbo slapped on it by your buddy down the street) have very little to no noticeable lag. Just read a magazine article once and a while, or go drive an EVO X
@idontcare80 Lol VVT is a generalized term, yah the mustang uses a different type of system then the Vtec motors do, but it's still VVT. And actually a "large cam" will always have an advantage unless you're talking particularly about fuel efficiencey. And I've driven an evo thank you, there is plenty of noticable lag. I think it's obvious you're just bias agains't American cars, and like Porsche want to deny the credit where it is due.
@TiKondaRoga What is wrong with you? You keep laughing like you know something, but you are just HUGELY ignorant. NOT ALL VVT SYSTEMS WORK THE SAME. The VVT system is ALWAYS in operation on the Mustang engine, just like with the BMW VANOS systems. A "large" cam (RACE CAM MORON) will ALWAYS cause the engine to lose low rpm torque. The EVO X (EVO TEN MORON) does not have any noticeable lag. I think it's obvious that you're a complete moron. I never said anything about American cars being inferior.
@idontcare80 A large cam isn't always a "race cam", dumb ass. They even make cams specificly for torque... I've never driven an Evo X (10, like I ever acted like I don't know what a roman numaril is), But I have driven an Evo IX (9 moron). And from what I hear the Evo X is alot worse when it comes to performance. They sure as hell seem to be slower. And the anti-American thing came from your bio...
@TiKondaRoga There are cams specifically for low end torque, just like the primary cams in a cam changing VVT! You wont find a "large" cam in a factory produced vehicle (you can't have the engine spitting out unburned fuel at idle in a factory car), unless it has cam changing VVT like VTEC, for most people that qualifies it them as race cams.
The Evo X is very different from the IX, it has a completely different engine. I'm not really sure if the X is slower but lag isn't related to speed.
@idontcare80 That's possible and makes sense, but I've never heard of a torque based VVT system. Not to mention when it comes to torque it's best to just simply go with larger cams...And a cars cam is relative to stock size, not every car has the same sized cam buddy. Corvette's have a pretty good sized cam, hents why they still rev so low, to meet emissions standards. Turbo lag is also a lot harder to notice in a newer vehicle, when everything is working without age problems.
@TiKondaRoga ? You know, get up, take a piss, eat breakfast, hang out with the baby, check YouTube messages, go to school. If my workload is light I check YT in between classes, sometimes I get on at night.
@idontcare80 I can type in,"GT-R times false", in almost any search engine and find a thousand articles and videos about the spokesman admitting they used slicks...
@idontcare80 On certain tracks the Z06 actually had better times then the GT-R which is sad considering we're talking about an AWD car w/ turbo's vs a N/A RWD car.
and theres the killer, no matter how even the Cars are I'm not bisting out over 200,000 bucks just cause it's a Ferrari. Also why would I I mean the other car is a Vettte, fastest one to date!. And the sound MY god the ZR-! is a fucking animal!!
spend 50 grand from the extra 200,000 you would have and put it in the vettes engine what would happen then? thats what i thought no f**** chance in hell the ferrari could keep up
The 5999cc V12 Ferrari produces 103,35hp/L (620hp)and the 6162cc V8 Corvette 104,99hp/L (647hp) but keep in mind the Ferrari is normally aspirated while the Corvette is superchaged. But remember that this V12 produces 110,04hp/L in the Enzo. The GM engineers took the "easy way" to get an engine full of torque and power.
how you can say the zr1 looks better than the 599 is beyond me. i know its subjective but wtf, theres dozens of cars out there that look better than the zr1.
It varies from country to country (different taxation, depending on where you are)
My sister and her bf moved to Portugal. He wanted to buy a new set of wheels and opted for the ZR1. They didn't have one available so he went for the Z06. Price tag: 150 000 € (not all taxes included). That's well over 200 000 US dollars. According to the salesman the ZR1 would set him back no less than 205 000€. You will agree that's not exactly cheap...
@Fuchizaa you're right. For people who defend the price tag as a good credential of the ZR1: in a concessionaire in Barcelona (Spain) a ZR1 Limited Edition is waiting an owner with 290000€ in his pocket. For only 40000€ you get the phenomenal 599 GTO (670hp). Or you can buy the regular 599 GTB 275000€ and you save money.
Ok but in Spain the price of the ZR1 is more than 200000€, you can found it in google. This makes this ZR1 more expensive than a regular 599 GTB Fiorano. You can found ZR1s from 180000~300000€, they're truly expensive for a Corvette.I know the ZR1 is cheap like all the C6 in the Z06 in the US, but this is not the case in the old continent, where taxes make cars much more expensive.
the Enzo does 0-60 in 3.3 Sec and 599 is 3.4 Sec. Enzo 1/4 mile 11.0 and 599 is 11.2. most sources all agree so I am not sure what your talking about. The 599 is still a front engine luxury car. I have not driven an Enzo however I have driven my share of Ferrari's and Corvettes among other things. All of these ares including the Zr1 are very low in production. None of these are mass made like the VW beetle.
Yes, those that know the ZR1 and the 599 are faster than the Enzo. As far as teh GT-R goes. I could spend 100k on a used mustang, civic, or mitsu MR and blow the doors of the 599, Enzo, and the ZR1 but that is not the point is it. For the record, the 6.2 in the ZR1 is a small block.
The 599 is NOT faster than the ENZO. At the nurburgring the 599 posted a 7:47 lap time and the Enzo 7:25.3 and the MC12 which is a rebodied Enzo 7:24.3 vs the Zr1's time of 7:26.4. I just love it when people bull shit out of their ass to support their position.
I was not referring to lap times when I said the 599 is faster than the Enzo. I was referring to 0-60 and ¼ mile et. And even top speed depending on the source you read. You like me has never driven either machine. I depend on automotive literature as a source of information. The MC12, a rebodied Enzo was made in so few copies, I would not even call it a production car as the Enzo narrowly squeaks by.
ummmm ZR1 0-60 in 3 secs flat, ive been in a stock Z and ive seen it done
TheDeathgodd 6 months ago
thats wrong info about the corvette top speed is 205 mph
robertfordea 6 months ago
@scoobyfan2009
Your entire argument is based on the fact its NAMED a Ferrari. That isnt even an argumentative statement. and it really just hurts ur side. Just because Ferrari USED to be the best doesn't mean anything. Lots of things used to be the biggest name or highest end and then they fade away. ur trying to grasp onto a NAME, NOT anything tangible, as your leg to stand on. and its falling away... Falling fast. American caught up and your just jealous
Parker0400 11 months ago
@Parker0400
also, note the c6r gt cars...
mageac 10 months ago
@scoobyfan2009 know a good car?? How bout a 100k car that puts up numbers similar to that of a ONE MILLION dollar enzo!! Not to mention the fact that it has options (that reduce performance) the enzo doesn't, such as climate control. Never see the enzo in the shop?? Tell that to the Ferrari team that brought the enzo to Nurburgring and had the steering damper break while it was on the track!! And for 100k you get a pretty damn good interior when comparing it to the stripped-out enzo's.
Sahadi420 1 year ago
@Sahadi420
Again.... I don't know how the ENZO got brought up by you from the beginning. But.... the Italia puts up as good of numbers as the ZR1, looks 10x's better, has 10/10 interior, Never drove a 458 but I have rode in a ZR1 I would imagine that the 458 which I have heard has a epic drive ride. Plus you won't be in the shop every week like you would be in the ZR1. It's a FERRARI! The name alone makes it better than a Chevy..... I'm done arguing with you... Ferrari is 10x's > than the ZR1.
scoobyfan2009 1 year ago
@scoobyfan2009 most ferraris with more then 100k miles are pretty much clapped out... the zr1 would still be under warrenty
mageac 10 months ago
@scoobyfan2009 ive been reading this argument and everything you said made sense and was logical shadi was really only holding on to a namebrand
Mattjosh50 9 months ago
@scoobyfan2009 dude im not going to sit here and act like i care what a little kid thinks over the internet, but ur saying the corvettes interior sucks, and i totally agree. But what no1 seems to understand is, top of the line corvette is around like 100 grand, a ferrari is like 4-5 times that much u could use all that money on the vette and make one bad ass smothe riding mother fucker so dont ride my dick i dont care what u stupid british scrawny dick faggots think.
BCxKarma 7 months ago
@BCxKarma
Well for one I'm not a little kid. Secondly I'm not a Britt. The top of the line ZR1 is 126k! And the 458 is less that 2X's that. I also can tell you that the Ferrari won't be in the shop 3 months after you but it. Along with the ZR1 loosing around 40% of it's value in a year compared to the Ferrari which will be worth 5 times what it is worth right now in 15 years. At the end of the day you would still be in a overly priced Corvette. I could afford either of the two cars. You can't.
scoobyfan2009 7 months ago
let me just point out that the ferrari costs 3 times as much as the vette, yet it can't beat it. same with other ferraris, close to 2-3 times price of a zr1, but not even 1/10th more performance. really, ur paying for a horse badge, a shinier paintjob and a nicer interior. I dont care for any of that, i wanna make ferrari owners cry at the track :P
dandil 1 year ago
Bad drivers.......realy bad........terrible. How can you change the gears(ZR1), to make a top speed, changing with 5000rrpm????? Are you an idiot??? That car can puch 7200rpm until cut the engine. The ferrari can puch 8500rpm or more..........
guimerlin1312 1 year ago
why do u think corvettes beat european sports cars on their own tracks???? they should be ashamed of them selves
supercrazycorvette 1 year ago
A lot is two words... :)
bartly9 1 year ago
Man the ZR1 really struggles after 150MPH??????
scoobyfan2009 1 year ago
@scoobyfan2009, that's the problem with that top speed run, than ran it in 5th from way down low so it couldn't develop the momentum to propel it past the 160 range quicker :(
praetorian2150 1 year ago
@praetorian2150
Well it was 4100-4200 RPM when they started in 5th. That is not to low of a RPM. I would still take the Ferrari any day even if the ZR1 was faster.... But it is not faster than the 458 :)
scoobyfan2009 1 year ago
@scoobyfan2009 yeah the zr1 isnt faster than the 458.....its ALOT faster than the 458
SlashsSon101 1 year ago
@SlashsSon101
Negative....
scoobyfan2009 1 year ago
@scoobyfan2009 how do you figure..? 640 bhp v.s 560bhp similar weight and both rwd..not just that the enzo beats an italia..and a zr1..beats an enzo? soooo yahhh
SlashsSon101 1 year ago
@SlashsSon101
Well the Ferrari weighs almost 200 pounds less. Plus the gear box has alot to play, along with aerodynamics... There will eventually be a video of the two racing on youtube.
scoobyfan2009 1 year ago
it is not about the fact that the corvette will and can beat ferrari its about an american car can catch up whit european supercars!
and when you look further the corvette is not a real super car it is a SUPER MUSCLE CAR AND THE EUROPEAN CARS CANT BEAT THAT!
route66rocks 1 year ago
@route66rocks obviously. Thats why all of a sudden they're bitchin about the ZR1 having a supercharger and not being naturally aspirated. Yet no one EVER says a damn thing about the 911 and GTR's turbos, or the veyrons QUAD turbos. And I love the hatred toward the vettes interior. Yet no one EVER says a damn thing about the enzo not even having a fucking interior!! Ahhh, european jealousy, you gotta love it!!
Sahadi420 1 year ago 2
@Sahadi420
The Enzo is made to be a track car.. Not a street/track car. The Enzo is not meant to be driven every day or even a few days out of the week. The Vette is.. The Corvette has HORRIBLE interior! You can get 10x's better interior out of a $25,000 Cobalt. The Vette is fast as hell but has HORRIBLE build quality! Plan and simple.. Ahhh, American Inbred check fuckers, gotta love it!
scoobyfan2009 1 year ago
@scoobyfan2009 Look at it this way. Enzo: million bucks, ZR1: 1/10 that. 0-60 times: roughly the same. Top speed: Enzo wins by about 15 mph. Ring times: enzo by about a second (yes, ONE second). So this "track car" barely beats the vette, yet the vette has navigation, stereo, and dual climate control. So again, the Ferrari has NO INTERIOR AT ALL, BARE FUCKING BONES (including manual windows) and barely beats an "accessorized " car.
Sahadi420 1 year ago
@Sahadi420 zr1 and z06 now smokes the enzo and 458 on the ring.
killerspeed101 7 months ago
@killerspeed101 yup, probably with the air conditioning on!!!!!
Sahadi420 7 months ago
@scoobyfan2009 and so you know as far as the "quality" of the ZR1. You show me a car that produces over 600hp and has "enzo like" performance that has a 5 year 100,000 mile warranty. The enzo only has a 2 year warranty. Corvettes will NEVER have Bentley-type interiors, that doesn't mean the car is crap. Everything needed for performance is top notch, thats why it's so bad ass. Only women should get in such awesome machines and nag about the trim around the gear shift.
Sahadi420 1 year ago
@Sahadi420
You are right there is not car that can compete with that kind of warranty. The Nissan GTR is the closest thing to it. Which it is a better car as well. You are a complete tool if you think only a women would complain about the interior. You're telling me that if you are going to spend over 100k on a car that you wouldn't care if there was interior from a $15K car? I am a co owner of a mercedes/BMW dealership So I'm quite sure I know what people look for in cars and their interior!!
scoobyfan2009 7 months ago
@scoobyfan2009 dude, the ZR1's interior isn't "horrible". Don't know of many 15k cars with leather wrapped dashes, and leather seats. The ZR1's main purpose is to be a bad ass car, and it is. Funny, Ferrari did the same thing with the Enzo. They put NO interior in it, bare fucking bones, and people LOVED IT!!! Yet the ZR1 gives you the same performance (if not better now) and all people can say is that it's crap because of the cup holders!!! Vettes will NEVER have Bentley interiors.
Sahadi420 7 months ago
@scoobyfan2009 and dude, if you think ANY Ferrari is going to be more reliable then the proven push-rod technology that a vette engine has then you are BEYOND lost! Hell the Enzo couldn't even go around the ring without breaking a steering damper! Despite which car you love or hate, don't start making shit up. Vettes have some of the best customer satisfaction ratings out there. That's why chevy gives their engines warranties that Ferrari will never come close to, while still providing more HP.
Sahadi420 7 months ago
@scoobyfan2009 You can still love your Ferrari's. Thats fine. But don't call everything that is not a Ferrari crap. I'll continue to beat the shit outta Ferrari's, Porsche's, (no Lambo's....yet) with my crotch rocket. My only loss?? A built Z06 vette!!!!
Sahadi420 7 months ago
@Sahadi420
I have not called everything that wasn't a Ferrari crap. I'm not even the biggest Ferrari fan. There are tons of other cars I would take over one. But the whole point was to say that the ZR1 was not in the same class as the 458 was. I would take my 2005 HPF M3 over one any day. I run off and leave crotch rockets all day! A Busa is the only thing that even is half way close. I would DESTROY a ZR1 with my HPF... You are a bike tool.... wrong place m8t...
scoobyfan2009 6 months ago
@scoobyfan2009 OK your right, the vettes and Ferrari's aren't in the same class. One's for people with too much money and the other is for people that really enjoy raising hell in their car. I like the fact that you have a "sleeper" STI. But dude, I've seen your vids and have ridden a 08 Busa (best friend has one). You wouldn't stand a chance. That busa gets to 150 before you know it. My 750 would walk away too. Where do you live?? I'd love to prove my point. I'm in NC.
Sahadi420 6 months ago
@Sahadi420
That is my STI. I have a 2005 HPF M3 stage 3.5. That is the car that I beat Busa's with. Not my STI.... I live in ohio.
scoobyfan2009 6 months ago
ZR1 WINNER??
FelipeOgrego 1 year ago
that zr1 is amazing considering chevy has to build cars by certain regulations and ferrari doesnt ferrari can give you an all out race car with 6 mpg cuz its a specialty company but chevy cant they have to go by certain guidelines so chevy gives you a fast car at agreat price thats alot easier to maintain and you still get good gas mileage I wanna see ferrari make a car that can do that
Tommy454ss 1 year ago
@Tommy454ss WTF are you talking about? Every car company that sells cars in the US has to meet the SAME regulations: emissions, safety, lighting, etc.
The ZR1 can barely out run a Ferrari with a 4.3 liter V8 and no supercharger, it would be a total joke if GM try to match that level of performance within the same constraints.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 I hope one of those "constraints" you're not considering is the price.
Zalaan 1 year ago
@Zalaan ANY car company could build a Corvette because of how dead pan simple they are, and that's exactly why you wont see Ferrari building something that cheap and simple.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Lol that's a pretty dumb statement considering everything a corvette has; Power/mileage/price/comfort/sound/looks/performance/dependability, nothing even comes close with all things considered. The GTR gets close but still loses in price and mileage to the corvette, price including insurance costs. The Viper gets close except for mileage and price. other then that the corvette is still on top.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
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idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Lol
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga What's funny? Realize how stupid your comment was? The GT-R is less expensive that the ZR1, so I don't see what your point was there. Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, etc do make expensive vehicles, but they are also VERY well fitted. If you've ever sat in a Corvette you would understand that they aren't any better fitted than an average Pontiac. There is just no comparison between a Chevy and the other supercars on those grounds.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Lol no but appearantly you realized how stupid your other comment was, that's why you deleted it. First off, I never said ZR1 you moron. The Z06 beats the GTR in more catagories then vise versa. And yes, I have driven many corvette's as well as porsche's. Granted I've never driven a ferrari or lamborghini, but still. To be honest I think Porsche's are peices of crap, with ugly interior. It's just brainless tools who stereotype corvette's to have shitty interior.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga Where exactly does the Z06 outperform the GT-R? The drag strip? Maybe, by a tiny margin. Who cares? Your opinion about the interior of the Corvette is a very rare one, so you can think whatever you want about that.
I deleted my comment because I knew I could come up with a better response.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Hah. The Z06 is actually faster 0-100, it is indeed faster on the drag strip even when the GT-R uses it's launch control. Without the launch control the GT-R is FAR slower, and depending on who you want to beleive (although I think Nissan's response to the allogations says it all), the Z06 is also faster on the circuit (That's a report from Porsche btw not GM). And no no, you deleted it in hopes to elaborate more in an attempt to not seem like such a bafoon.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
idontcare80 1 year ago
Arg, it bunched up my comment.
Nurburgring:
GT-R - 7:34 (Sport Auto conducted test)
Z06 - 7:49 (Sport Auto conducted test)
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Lol what? Well I was talking about Nurburgring in particular, which their website says the Z06 is 7:43 and the GT-R is 7:29. But I was talking about Porsche contesting the GT-R's time, their drives were running high 7 minutes in the GT-R. Nissan admitted to using slicks on their runs, but said it would still run the same time without them, but they never came back to officially re run it. And every site I go to says the GT-R w/ TC does 11.9...
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga Who cares what Porsche says? The GT-R competes with the Porsche 911, of course they are going to say it doesn't do as well as it actually does.
Nissan never admitted to using slicks, that's just a web rumor.
I've never seen the Z06 put up a faster time on ANY track.
The 1/4 mile time I have for the GT-R is from R&T.
What's sad is that GM had to use a hugely carbon fiber chassis and a supercharged 6.2 liter engine to barely outpace a big, heavy, 4 seat grand touring car
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 lmao barely? And so now it's unfair that the ZR1 is SC? That whopping 6psi super charger is really unfair against those twin 17psi turbos appearantly. Trying to negate from the fact that it's still an AWD car on a rough track barely beating a N/A RWD car won't save you in this arguement. And yes, the spokesman for Nissan's race team admitted to using non-factory stock tires. I for one don't like Porsche, I think they're cry babies, and make gay cars.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga "I for one don't like Porsche, I think they're cry babies, and make gay cars."
Yeah well, you're a moron.
watch?v=RuKB9J3-BI8
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 It was confirmed, by Nissan, that the 7:29 run did use stock tires. I can send you a link if you want.
Also Google: gt-r 7:24 nurburgring
idontcare80 1 year ago
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TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga That wasn't the link I was talking about. Check your PM.
I can make a website about how GM is a bunch of cheating bastards in about 20 minutes, that doesn't mean their times are fake.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Ok, but when they officially ran it the first time, with people there to witness it and look at the car before the fact. The GT-R only did 7:35. So all of the sudden there's no one around and they run 7:29? A bit odd...That's a huge difference on a track like that.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga I don't get what you're saying. I can find a 7:56 run, a 7:49 and a 7:43 for the Z06. Cars turn different lap times with different drivers, different conditions, etc, that's just how it is. The larger the track, the bigger the differences will be.
There is video proof of the GT-R's 7:29 run, just like there is video proof of the Z06's 7:43 run and the ZR1's 2:26 run. All of those times make sense to me.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Proof from the cockpit? Lmao. Well that doesn't prove the tires were stock, or any other mods for that matter. And it was the same driver every time for Nissan's runs in the Gt-R. And it's Germany, weather conditions there don't really change in the sense of armospheric pressure. The tempature stays relativly the same there...
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga Ok then, so the GM runs were BS as well? All they have is video proof from the cockpit. I gave you a link that proved the 7:29 run was made on stock tires.
The track does get wet and that has a MUCH larger effect on times than anything. Nissan Motors posted a 7:38 when the track was wet.
You're really confused, I think, so it's hard to make any point that sticks with you.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Well actually Porsche did claim the Z06 and ZR1 times were bogus aswell. As did they with the ACR viper (which from what I understand actually holds the record for factory stock times). But that wasn't really the subject. Although it does kind of clearify what I'm saying. Do a search of it; Porsche bought a GT-R and did several runs with several professional drivers, and never got close to Nissan's claimed times, and infact only got a best time of 7:53.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga Well, maybe Porsche's times for all of these cars are more accurate, but I would seriously doubt it. Porsche isn't exactly an unbiased party when it comes to Nurburgring times.
The Porsche 911 GT2 RS and the Gumpert Apollo Speed both have faster times than the Viper ACR on the Nurburgring.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 I completely agree with you about Porsche being Bias. I wouldn't exactly call the Gumpert Apollo a factory car. And the 911 GT2? Umm isn't that the one the GT-R beat? Hents Porsche's complaint?
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga Both the Apollo and the ACR are considered to be road legal track day cars. The GT-R was competing directly with the 911 turbo, the GT2 and GT2 RS are different versions of the 911.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 The standard 911 turbo isn't fast at all that doesn't make much sense, even the GT2 is no faster then a Z06... I don't know about the RS though. But the Apollo is more of a race car like a Saleen S7, or Aero, not exactly something you go down the street to buy.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga If you have $100,000 - 200,000+ to spend on a car, it probably doesn't matter much where you have to go to buy it. The Apollo and Viper ACR are in the same class, period. The BASE 911 Turbo is every bit as fast as the Z06 in acceleration and quite a bit faster on the 'Ring. The GT2 is even faster and the the GT2 RS is much, MUCH faster. The RS is nearly as powerful as the ZR1 and weighs quite a bit less. Just look this stuff up man.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Lol what? No no, the GT2 ran 7:38 on the nurburgring, which is only 4 seconds faster then the Z06. Sorry dude but that one is actually on the Porsche website itself. The GT2 RS and ZR1 are almost identicle in power and times i.e. 1/4 mile, 0-60, top speed. The Base Turbo 911 has less power then a Z06.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga No what? The Z06 ran a 7:42 in a GM conducted test, 911 Turbo ran a 7:38 in a Porsche conducted test. 4 seconds is a pretty good amount of time. The Z06 gets to 60 in 3.4 seconds and runs an 11.7 in the 1/4, so does the 911 Turbo. The GT2 RS has 620 hp and weighs 3,020 pounds, so the power to weight ratio is BETTER than the ZR1. The GT2 RS mops the floor with the ZR1 on the 'Ring. I don't understand where I was wrong anywhere.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 The GT2 ran 7:38 not the 911 Turbo. You probably searched the 911 turbo and got info on the GT2, it kept happening to me when I was searching the 911 turbo's weight. The GT2 also is lacking in torque compared to the ZR1 by about 100tq. The ZR1 is also 18 more hp, with out turbo and VVT lag, unlike the Porsche. So power to weight ratio is kind of even with all things considered.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga Torque doesn't do shit for performance, power to weight ratio is all that really makes any difference. The GT2 runs a 7:34 with stock tires and a 7:32 with R compound tires. There isn't really any lag in most modern turbocharged cars, VVT PREVENTS lag and broadens the torque curve. You really don't know anything about cars do you?
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Lol wow,"torque doesn't do shit for performance". But I don't know shit about cars? Hahaha. Turbos will always have a lag. You do know how turbos work right? At low RPM's the car isn't pushing enough power to make use of a turbo, and some turbos depending on size won't even spin fast enough to create a power increase until high RPM's. And VVT ONLY engages at a cars top RPM band, yes it changes the torque curb but at high RPM's it doesn't mean shit. Pffff sad.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga Ok then, show me an example of torque providing an performance advantage.
Allow me to correct my wording: There isn't really any NOTICEABLE lag in most modern turbocharged cars. Turbos are ALWAYS being run by the engine, even at idle. Most modern turbos are producing significant boost at around 1,500 rpm, just a bit above idle. Read up on VVT, I really don't want to explain it all to you. I wrote a good amount of the VVT article on Wikipedia, check it out.
idontcare80 1 year ago
Er, actually, a lot has been added to the VVT article since I last looked at it.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Lol then Wiki has some deleting to do...Turbo lag has everything to do with; Turbo size, turbo location, atmospheric pressure, Engine type, and fuel type. Every car is different. VVT is very simple, it's essentially the same thing as a car with larger cam/s but only at a higher RPM. Thus HP being rated at a cars RPM band making a car like a mustang only actually about 350HP before VVT, and 412HP after.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga WTF? YOU are trying to explain to ME what VVT is? Are you fucking kidding? GO LEARN ABOUT VVT.
VTEC is like what you're describing, but most VVT systems, by far, don't work that way (the Mustang engine does NOT). Also the primary (low rpm cam) in cam changing VVT systems (like VTEC) are designed for low rpm torque as well as low emissions, good fuel mileage, etc. So an engine with a cam changing VVT system has a big advantage at low rpm over an engine with a "large" cam.
idontcare80 1 year ago
Modern PRODUCTION CARS (I'm not talking about some econobox with a turbo slapped on it by your buddy down the street) have very little to no noticeable lag. Just read a magazine article once and a while, or go drive an EVO X
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Lol VVT is a generalized term, yah the mustang uses a different type of system then the Vtec motors do, but it's still VVT. And actually a "large cam" will always have an advantage unless you're talking particularly about fuel efficiencey. And I've driven an evo thank you, there is plenty of noticable lag. I think it's obvious you're just bias agains't American cars, and like Porsche want to deny the credit where it is due.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga What is wrong with you? You keep laughing like you know something, but you are just HUGELY ignorant. NOT ALL VVT SYSTEMS WORK THE SAME. The VVT system is ALWAYS in operation on the Mustang engine, just like with the BMW VANOS systems. A "large" cam (RACE CAM MORON) will ALWAYS cause the engine to lose low rpm torque. The EVO X (EVO TEN MORON) does not have any noticeable lag. I think it's obvious that you're a complete moron. I never said anything about American cars being inferior.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 A large cam isn't always a "race cam", dumb ass. They even make cams specificly for torque... I've never driven an Evo X (10, like I ever acted like I don't know what a roman numaril is), But I have driven an Evo IX (9 moron). And from what I hear the Evo X is alot worse when it comes to performance. They sure as hell seem to be slower. And the anti-American thing came from your bio...
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga There are cams specifically for low end torque, just like the primary cams in a cam changing VVT! You wont find a "large" cam in a factory produced vehicle (you can't have the engine spitting out unburned fuel at idle in a factory car), unless it has cam changing VVT like VTEC, for most people that qualifies it them as race cams.
The Evo X is very different from the IX, it has a completely different engine. I'm not really sure if the X is slower but lag isn't related to speed.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 That's possible and makes sense, but I've never heard of a torque based VVT system. Not to mention when it comes to torque it's best to just simply go with larger cams...And a cars cam is relative to stock size, not every car has the same sized cam buddy. Corvette's have a pretty good sized cam, hents why they still rev so low, to meet emissions standards. Turbo lag is also a lot harder to notice in a newer vehicle, when everything is working without age problems.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga I don't care what YOU'VE heard of, you don't know jack shit about VVT, or cams for that matter.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Hah, good arguement. Btw I love the instant responses...Maybe you should get out more.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga Checking YouTube messages is part of my morning routine! Don't knock it lol
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 Morning routine? You reply to me within the hour, except this time of course...Weird...
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@TiKondaRoga ? You know, get up, take a piss, eat breakfast, hang out with the baby, check YouTube messages, go to school. If my workload is light I check YT in between classes, sometimes I get on at night.
idontcare80 1 year ago
@idontcare80 And the same can be said vise versa for GT-R fanboys.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
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@idontcare80 Oh my god, not the dreaded youtube link!! I sir tip my hat to you, for you have proven your stupidity to a point of no return.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@idontcare80 I can type in,"GT-R times false", in almost any search engine and find a thousand articles and videos about the spokesman admitting they used slicks...
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@idontcare80 On certain tracks the Z06 actually had better times then the GT-R which is sad considering we're talking about an AWD car w/ turbo's vs a N/A RWD car.
TiKondaRoga 1 year ago
@idontcare80 whats more of a joke is paying over 300k for a car when the zr1 is a faster car
TheM0rbidangel 1 year ago
@TheM0rbidangel How is that a joke? Some people like their cars to have some class and have the money to pay for it.
idontcare80 1 year ago
i mean ya im not gonna lie and say the zr1 isnt nice cause it is but its not the king it
fifafan1 1 year ago
why dont they compare the zr1 to a more up to date ferrari
fifafan1 1 year ago
ferrari super cars and high performance car 599xx just broke a world record suck that chevy
fifafan1 1 year ago
didnt even redline wtf kinda driver is this?
planedestroyer94 1 year ago
fuck anything made by italians unless it copied by americans and sold in chain restraunts
pdubz1111 1 year ago
@pdubz1111 hahahahahahahahah right 100%
hassanzo6 1 year ago
FERRARRI SUCKS DICK!!!!!!
dots54 1 year ago
god these guys short shift
bergaflickal 1 year ago
@bergaflickal brutaal shifting lol
transamjames 1 year ago
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CptnCruizer666 1 year ago
and theres the killer, no matter how even the Cars are I'm not bisting out over 200,000 bucks just cause it's a Ferrari. Also why would I I mean the other car is a Vettte, fastest one to date!. And the sound MY god the ZR-! is a fucking animal!!
Paldromanium 1 year ago
the zr1's top recorded speed is 205.
bigboom383 1 year ago
wtf the corvette driver shifted at 4,500 rounds !!! wtf !!!!!!!!!!!
sledforpeace 1 year ago 2
top speed on the ZR1 is bogus. Top Gear got it to 205mph.
deadeyedickification 1 year ago
@deadeyedickification the one in Britain
kietau 1 year ago
them 2 dudes drivin can't drive fer shit those car's r quicker than there drivin them, there fuckin granny shiftin the shit out of those 2 cars
rj454chevy 1 year ago
next time record a vid without all the devil worshiping noise drowning out the sound of the cars
rickstarks 1 year ago
@rickstarks i really dont care for bible bangers!
vettefreakXXII 1 year ago
@rickstarks so its considered devil worshiping because it mentioned that angels deserve 2 die?
cienporcientoculopri 1 year ago
That TRUE American muscle
dirtridr159 1 year ago
they got some of the numbers wrong
enterthemainfront 1 year ago
top speed of zr1 is atleast 203-205
diablowrathltd 1 year ago
5000 and then he shifts what a tard let me drive.
craig1h 1 year ago
200.4mph uh chevy trap speeds it at 205 off the floor.
rockstar6901 1 year ago
wtf with the zr1 hes not evan red lineing hes shifting out at 4000rpms
SRTboysintx 2 years ago
@SRTboysintx very good point prob another german driving!
craig1h 1 year ago
goddamn it took him 10 miles to hit the top speed in the ferraro
thevettedude66 2 years ago
damn that zr1 kicks ass. im a euro import guy but i have much respect for the ZO6's and especially the ZR1. i want one
Grim214 2 years ago
spend 50 grand from the extra 200,000 you would have and put it in the vettes engine what would happen then? thats what i thought no f**** chance in hell the ferrari could keep up
metalmeforlife 2 years ago
yea put 50k in a Yugo and it will make that fast too. Not the point Jack ass!
bryjb10 2 years ago
i dont get how a v-12 makes less power than a v-8
ferrari is dumber than shit
mrcookies 2 years ago
The 5999cc V12 Ferrari produces 103,35hp/L (620hp)and the 6162cc V8 Corvette 104,99hp/L (647hp) but keep in mind the Ferrari is normally aspirated while the Corvette is superchaged. But remember that this V12 produces 110,04hp/L in the Enzo. The GM engineers took the "easy way" to get an engine full of torque and power.
ori599gtb 2 years ago
The ZO6 makes more torque with less power than the Enzo. Keep the excuses coming, baby!!
19thaman79 2 years ago
You're wrong, the Enzo has 651Nm of torque while the Z06 has 637Nm.
ori599gtb 2 years ago
No actualy he is correct
ZR1= 620 horsepower VS ENZO 660 bhp
ZR1= 595lb-ft vs ENZO 472 lb-ft
However the added extra HP not to mention the ZR1 is a fat pig at 3350lbs vs ENZO's 3010lbs still gives the Enzo the advantage and is still quicker.
bryjb10 2 years ago
BHP to BHP
ZR1= 638 bhp bhp VS ENZO 660 bhp
bryjb10 2 years ago
The ZR1 has 638hp and 604ft trq.
19thaman79 2 years ago
Hold on a minute, genius, the ZR1 is a fat big at @3300lbs?? Shit, I would really hate to see what you think about the 3600lbs Ferrari 599.
19thaman79 2 years ago
I agree but I whas talking about the Z06, not the ZR1.
Z06 = 513hp and 637Nm
ZR1 = 647hp and 807Nm
599 = 620hp and 608Nm
Enzo = 660hp and 651Nm
ori599gtb 2 years ago
Actually its not the case mrcookies the Ferrari makes more power.
Again for you people who cant read or do any research before you push the I am gonna make a stupid remark button.
ZR1= 620 horsepower VS ENZO 660 bhp
bryjb10 2 years ago
@bryjb10 yea but how much torque does it have
thevettedude66 1 year ago
ferrari forever
panosgilera 2 years ago
no one wants to download a video thats not even close to being accurate come one 205 207 has been proven by the zr1 not 200
corvetteman01 2 years ago
I've seen video of the ZR1 hitting 208 before the driver stepped on the brakes when it was clear the ZR1 was still excellerating.
19thaman79 2 years ago
damn which video is this... i love the zr1
corvetteman01 2 years ago
r u serious the guy doesnt even rev out every gear in zr1 wat a idiot
julzg255 2 years ago
This one of those videos thats made to make Ferrari look invincible.
19thaman79 2 years ago
how you can say the zr1 looks better than the 599 is beyond me. i know its subjective but wtf, theres dozens of cars out there that look better than the zr1.
joyfulvulture 2 years ago
You do know you just answered your own question...right?
19thaman79 2 years ago
u can buy almost 3 zr1 for the price of the 599
speedytl12 2 years ago 2
@speedytl12 No you can't. At least in Europe, where the ZR1 is fucking expensive as hell.
Fuchizaa 2 years ago
How much does a ZR1 cost in Europe?Where in Europe are you from??
19thaman79 2 years ago
It varies from country to country (different taxation, depending on where you are)
My sister and her bf moved to Portugal. He wanted to buy a new set of wheels and opted for the ZR1. They didn't have one available so he went for the Z06. Price tag: 150 000 € (not all taxes included). That's well over 200 000 US dollars. According to the salesman the ZR1 would set him back no less than 205 000€. You will agree that's not exactly cheap...
Fuchizaa 2 years ago
I definately agree. Here in the U.S they sell for 115 thousand.
19thaman79 2 years ago
@Fuchizaa you're right. For people who defend the price tag as a good credential of the ZR1: in a concessionaire in Barcelona (Spain) a ZR1 Limited Edition is waiting an owner with 290000€ in his pocket. For only 40000€ you get the phenomenal 599 GTO (670hp). Or you can buy the regular 599 GTB 275000€ and you save money.
ori599gtb 1 year ago
@ori599gtb
ZR1 = $115,000
599GTO = $393,000
599GTB = $320,000
Huge difference
Bootymeatboy2 1 year ago
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Rabassada 1 year ago
@Bootymeatboy2
Ok but in Spain the price of the ZR1 is more than 200000€, you can found it in google. This makes this ZR1 more expensive than a regular 599 GTB Fiorano. You can found ZR1s from 180000~300000€, they're truly expensive for a Corvette.I know the ZR1 is cheap like all the C6 in the Z06 in the US, but this is not the case in the old continent, where taxes make cars much more expensive.
Rabassada 1 year ago
@Bootymeatboy2 lol, its a third less than the 599s. ill take the faster, more stylish vette for less, plz...
ktmyamaha01 1 year ago
I think the Ferrari is much more beautiful than the ZR1. Sorry
Thegoodshit1 2 years ago
~ $200G more beautiful?
1GaryH1 2 years ago
not as fast though
viper90988 2 years ago
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ika75777 2 years ago
by the way I dont recall saying anything about a 599 beating a Zr1 but look on youtube there are plenty of GT2 videos out there that do
bryjb10 2 years ago
A gt2 is not beating ZR1!!!!!!!!
19thaman79 2 years ago
actually it can watch?v=vD9AW-EB3vo
bryjb10 2 years ago
the Enzo does 0-60 in 3.3 Sec and 599 is 3.4 Sec. Enzo 1/4 mile 11.0 and 599 is 11.2. most sources all agree so I am not sure what your talking about. The 599 is still a front engine luxury car. I have not driven an Enzo however I have driven my share of Ferrari's and Corvettes among other things. All of these ares including the Zr1 are very low in production. None of these are mass made like the VW beetle.
bryjb10 2 years ago
A 599 is not luxury car, a Benz is. A 599 is a GT.
19thaman79 2 years ago
Yes, those that know the ZR1 and the 599 are faster than the Enzo. As far as teh GT-R goes. I could spend 100k on a used mustang, civic, or mitsu MR and blow the doors of the 599, Enzo, and the ZR1 but that is not the point is it. For the record, the 6.2 in the ZR1 is a small block.
fredeb67 2 years ago
The 599 is NOT faster than the ENZO. At the nurburgring the 599 posted a 7:47 lap time and the Enzo 7:25.3 and the MC12 which is a rebodied Enzo 7:24.3 vs the Zr1's time of 7:26.4. I just love it when people bull shit out of their ass to support their position.
bryjb10 2 years ago
The 599 is a luxury/sports car
bryjb10 2 years ago
I was not referring to lap times when I said the 599 is faster than the Enzo. I was referring to 0-60 and ¼ mile et. And even top speed depending on the source you read. You like me has never driven either machine. I depend on automotive literature as a source of information. The MC12, a rebodied Enzo was made in so few copies, I would not even call it a production car as the Enzo narrowly squeaks by.
fredeb67 2 years ago
Just like you sent me the video of a 599 beating the ZR1; there is a similar vedio of a ZR1 beating a GT2, GTR, and 599. Type in ZR1 Drag race king.
fredeb67 2 years ago
The ZR1 lapped the Ring in 7:22.4.
19thaman79 2 years ago
Sure,you could spend 100k on a mustang and you'd be stupid for doing so.
19thaman79 2 years ago