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  • YA ALLAH YA MUHAMMED YA ALI YA FATIMA LABAYKA YA HASAN WA HUSSAIN!!!!!!! ALLAHU AKBAR ! SALAM TO OUR 12 IMAMS IN THIS LIFE AND AFTER! SALAM TO NABI ALLAH MUHAMMED AND FATIMA AND ALI AND HASAN AND HUSSAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN­NN

  • YA ALLAH YA MUHAMMED YA ALI

    YA 12 IMAM

  • بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

    اللهم صلي وسلم وزد وبارك على محمد وعلى اله الطاهرين

    اللهم العن أول ظالم ظلم حق محمد وآل محمد وغصب حقَّهم وهو الزنديق الأكبر الأحمق الأبتر، الكافر المردود، ثاني اثنين نمرود، الفاسق الفاجرالمشرك المطرود، عدوُّ الله وعدوُّ الرسول الذي أنكر حقّ البتول غاصب أرض فدك، المدفون بقعرالدرك، رأس اهل الضلالة والشقاوة، خسِر الدنيا والأخرة، الملقب بكلب وادي التهامة، المؤبَّد في عذاب يوم القيامة، قاطع حقِّ الخلافة ابو بكر بن ابي قحافة لعنة الله عليه

  • Good video may Allah greatly bless you!

  • If this is shia scholar how can we trust what shia followers says:

    /watch?v=jRYs0oFSyeI

  • What happens when you die and you meet Jesus and it turns out he was the Son of God?

  • @onecrzyrdr religion has nothing to do with this question. no body can say what happens after you die. the purpose of religion is to unite people, to create order, and to insure the survival of a society.

  • As I have done some reading and research, i feel in my heart that the Shi'a Islam is the real and true Islam. The reason being is that all the other Imams who forced their way into the caliphate aren't the true caliphs or Imams. Ali was the next in line for the Imamate, but I admire his will and determination, because instead of fighting, he was patient. It is sad that the Sunni people killed him because of their jealousy towards him. May be be upon the Shi'a family and Imam Ali. AsSalaamaleikum

  • I dont see how this video explains anything about Shiism being the True Islam...pointless?

  • Wait a second here,Odin will have your hearts on a plate at the feast of warriors in Valhalla.

  • Great, Sunni's and Shia's arguing and killing each other. What is the point of all this, great history to learn is that of the Catholics and Protestants fighting each other for over a thousand years over different ideologies. Come on you guys, get your act together and bring peace to the middle east, belief in God is the most important. Peace and Compassion to you all.

  • you sunni always recite this qashida..'tawasalna bibismillah wa bil hadi rasulillah wa kulli mujahidin lillah bi ahlil badri ya allah'..check out what its mean..sunni ulama' wrote this..even sunni ulama perform tawasul to PROPHET AND THE MUJAHIDIN..why not noble of all after prophet..Ahl baytin nubuwwah a.s...salam brother......

  • You need to correct the title on this video. There is an error in your title. This is the right title.. "Shia Islam: The True Followers Of Shaytan".

  • @Learn2ReadTheQuran,

    yeah you must learn to read the Quran. for you dont even know that Allah says that Ibrahim a.s. was a shia in the Quran. and Ibrahim a.s. was also a muslim. so what does that make him? :) why Allah order sinless angels to bow down towards Adam a.s.? Iblis worship Allah for thousands of years but was kicked out of paradise and accursed. why? I bet your school of thought dont teach you to answer this questions.

  • Shia Is A Dangerous Minority Sect In The Islamic World. They are concidered lunatics by muslims

  • @SlapHappyWon Says the Wahhabi who kills everything within its capacity. Wahhabi's are brothers of the devil. Shouldn't you be blowing yourself up in a crowded market somewhere?

  • explain your idol worship of Ali to Allah when you meet him and remember that the quran instructs that following the idiosy of your ancestors and familys logic wont be an acceptable excuse.

  • @SlapHappyWon That's funny considering you're like the people of Moses who went astray immediately left their presence. No on prays to Imam Ali (A.S.) you ignorant shit. They ask him so that he can ask Allah because the Imams and the Prophets/Apostles were closest to God and because they are closest to God their wishes/prayers are more likely to be granted. Shia's see Allah as the all-beneficent and all-mighty. Explain your support for those who killed and opressed the Prophets family to Allah.

  • @trueballa32 "They ask him so that he can ask Allah"

    funny, i remember reading in the quran multiple times that there can be no intercesors between man and allah. Oh how the ignorant delude themselves.

    Explain it to Allah when you meet him. i dont wish to be witness to your ignorant idolatry for which there is no forgiveness from Allah due to his repeated warnings.

  • @S It's not intercession dumbass. If you ask someone to pray for you (dua) it's them also asking Allah, and since the Imams and Prophets/Apostles were the closest to them he is more likely to grant it (many examples of this are in the Qur'an). Intercession is trying to change or divert a blessing or curse Allah wills which is impossible. The irony of you talking about being ignorant while following the way of the caliph is almost too much to bear. Maybe you should look up the Battle of Karbala.

  • @trueballa32 As i said explain your sheepishness to Allah when you meat him. Talk to the hand. My grandfather once gave me good advice: "never argue with fools or people may not see the difference"

  • hahaha shia almost like jewish thay pray for hussan not for allah

    try to ask ur leaders for anything most time thay don't anser ur quastion

  • @SuperMahone lol the irony of a sunni saying Shia's are like the Jewish is hilarious. Just like the Jews who deny the Prophet Jesus and the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.) you self-righteous idiots deny that Imam Ali (A.S.) is the rightful successor to the Prophet. Instead of believing Allah and the Prophet himself you idiots think you can elect your leader. Instead you follow his "companions" which killed and oppressed his family after his death. You idiots still believe they are his companions? Moron.

  • Following the path of the Prophet (pbuh), his family (as), and Sunnah are the truth paths of Islam.

  • @kayhan213 yea i agree one million percent and the family of prophet muhammed were shia

    ishalla imam mahdi will unite us all

  • أعداء محمد وآل محمد

  • May Allah guide and bless us all

    Sunnah is the right way

  • Shia follow the Sunnah of the Prophet.

  • do you think the prophet SAW would dance, scream and hit himself ????

  • moroccanmuslim4ever-

    Who said anything about dancing???

    Scream?? YES

    Hit himself??? YES

    both references are in your books of hadith- go read them.

  • proud to be shia muslim

  • SHIAs are lost

  • Chachamanz-

    I think you are lost. If you like to discuss something, I would be more than happy to show you the true path- using only your 'sahih' references. Just message me.

    Salam

  • i will.

  • Allaahommaah Salleeh Allaah Mohammad Waah Ali Mohammad!!!

  • Not all music is haram.

  • Nice clip but you know buddy we shia forbids musics

    and fuck to all sunni and special fuck to Omar lord of HOMO

  • Aslm, im a shia brother. It is improper to talk in that way lacking in all islamic akhlak. u have betrayed the ahlul bayt a.s.

    I understand your anger but how did Imam Ali a.s. show patience and forbearance when his family was being oppressed?

  • javaq8 -

    This fitnah you speak of is only acts of jaheelyeh. Inshallah you will learn to speak in a better tone and be a tool of the zionist plot. Their goal is to promot disunity and FITNAH from within. According to our own Shia Scholars (may Allah swt prolong their lives) --- It is FORBIDDEN to speak in this bad way of OMAR. We may have differences with Sunni, but when we speak in this tone, the only winner in the end is the israeli zionists. Let's try to promote UNITY!!

    Salam brother.

  • You kidding right or you camouflage Omar follower Don't talk in the name of Shia

    Shia are the greatest people on earth.

    And why you forgetting what Sunni did in Iraq and Afghanistan and Lebanon and ... etc attacking civilians Shia with bombing cars?

  • huh sorry.....did u been in omar time? are u witness?

    talking about iraq afghanistan. u need to learn 1st the stratigy of wars.....rule #2 civilian war. USA goal.

    in islam is forbidden to kill. so....i bet they are out of islam like u ppl.

    changed the calling prayer

    worshiping ali.

    cursing prophet and his familly.

    +++++++lots things

  • You are really smart man WOOOW

    I wasn't in Hitler time so i can't judge him >>> Verdict = Innocent

    Is that your way to judge people?

    Read the history man and don't make up lies and believe your lies

  • @javaq8

    wich history ur talking about, do u have history? ahhh the khomeini book....huummmm....

    well dear friend from 52muslim country only u iran are shiite...well i guess we have false history...

  • Mock for whatever you want and it's not polite btw

    It's not about quantity it's about quality

    I meant Bokhari and Moslim Hadith's books

  • never quality beat the quantity...its so ridiculous,shows how ignorant ppl are....

    misguided

  • BTW ur christian why u care too much about .......

  • LOL you making me a Christian now ?

    What are you a god to change people believes?

    Remember that Shia always won :D

    اللهم صل على محمد وآل محمد وعجل فرج محمد وآل محمد والعن أعداء محمد وآل محمد

  • @javaq8

    the one who curs mohamed familly / changed pillars of islam / changed marriage law / disbleiveing in mohamed prophecy / belive that the quran is corrupted / changed the way of prayer / changed the way of calling to prayer / changed all the steps of prophet mohamed (PBUH) and his sunna IS AN MOHAMED ENEMY

  • LOL who said the Quran is corrupted or we change marriage

    OMG you don't be a shame of lying

    You are a real sunni = Fake muslim

    Only shia are the true muslims

  • source. khomeini book . quran been touched by man hand.

    marriage: mutha.

    3pillars instead of 5

    ++++++

    ok we are fake muslims, u shia are the original islam the original follower of mohamed.thats why u been created after his death. BIDAA

  • Khomeini does NOT represent Shia even Khamanie

    Only Imams 12th

  • hahaha yes yes i did remember me about 12th unseens ...hahahaha

  • It's written in your books

    الصواعق المحرقه صفحه 124 طبعة مصر

    الكامل في الحديث صفحه 274

    الشجرة المباركه 78

    روضة الالباب 105

    And more and more of your books wrote about the Imam Mahdi

    so either you deny Imam Mahdi or deny your whole fake religion

  • of course i deny the imama of mahdi, his a simple guy like others....go worship him....cunt

  • Speaking of Bi3ah, did you know that TARAWEEH is BID3A!!!

    On that, Umar remarked, 'What an excellent BID'A (INNOVATION in religion) this is; but the prayer which they do not perform, but rather sleep at its time, is better than the one they are offering.' He meant the prayer in the last part of

    the night."

    [Sahih al-Bukhari, volume 3, book 32, number 227]

  • check quran first what allah says about muta (4:24) now check any sunni SCHOLAR's tafsir on it :)

    now why we dont respect some sahabas?

    about SOME sahabas, ALLAH says in the quran whoever left you (muhammad) has left me, now check any sunni SCHOLAR's tafsir who left prophet at uhud :)

    so why do u expect us to love that kinda sahabas, when ALLAH dont love them :)

    try to handle the truth and embrace the true path or u may leave :)

    salam'o'alaykum

  • hahah ok can u explane to me al nissa 4:24 as u did understand plz..? ;P

    and btw who did left the prophet at uhud....?

    hhaha u shia are a joke for muslims...totally out of context.

  • waste of time talking to this guy :D

    i suggest u first to open the quran than talk :)

    ahahah WAKE UP!! again waste of time :D

    open first your SUNNI SAHIH HADITHS and than talk :)

  • cool guy....very relaxing...

    again. i need explanation, i dont know ur islam how is.? plz ;P

  • Well Done Bro,

    Shia are the true followersof suna and holders of the ultimate truth and can not be overshadowed by any Sufyani, bai maveea and ib e yazeed,

    Mashalahah

  • well u will be changing ur mind on the day of judgement...and by then it will be too late my dear friend...dont belive ppl around u to be right...go and study the religion urself and then chose the right way...dont be so ignorant :)

    May Allah Bless Us All with Paradise

  • dont give infallability to any imams , pray directly to allah, and ask help directly from allah. you do these shia , u will be muslims, till then u will be just shia, following shiasm , not muslim following islam.

  • Infallibility is not asking anything from anyone. It simply means that one prefers to avoid sins- we can discuss infallibility of the Prophet Muhammad (as) & the Ma3soomeen (infallible) and the concept of intercession STRICTLY from sunni 'sahih' sources. Simply message me, and inshallah you will finally see the light.

    Salam

  • salam alayk. thanks...but i've already a sunni Islam :)

  • manny errors in what u ppl r doing MANNNYYY

  • u waste men 4 posting this i dont know why u dont follow in the footsteps of mohamed(pbuh) as he sed

  • shiaa are worse than kafirs!!! SHIRK PPL! HAHAHAHA

  • your a nob get a life

  • go pray and worship ali(pbuh) or 12imams ,

    PS : dont forget the pig khamini wiv em......

  • If there was no Khameini Palestine would be ruled by Zionists. So watch what you say. The only 'islamic' SO CALLED leaders we would have would be the MONEY HUNGRY THIEVES and CondaLiza Rice KISSING Saudi kings....

  • @valerienanh

    listen, i dont follow no one, and no one gonna save me from my sins, no ali,jesus mohamed husan khamenei, NO ONEEEEEEE.

    saudi king kiss or not,its not my problem. dont mix religion with politique.

  • You repent sincerely and your sins will be forgiven (inshallah). You perform good actions and your they also cover some thunoob (sins).

  • ALGfunk- you are very ignorant. Send me a message telling me what is Shirk and I will make sure to send you references from you 'sahih' books.

  • @valerienanh

    1st u need to learn arabic to read the quran and understand what means shirk. in this moment,ur not qualified

  • ALGfunk -

    You make the assumption that I don't know Arabic, I used to be an Arabic teacher. And I know the definition of shirk. And I am prepared to discuss with you if you like. Personal message me.

    Salam.

  • their is ONE meaning for shirk الشرك

    الشركis to assist someone in worshiping of allah.

    exp: ali,mohamed,husain,fatima++...­(pbuthem)

    same like christian do to jesus....

    and do u know the punishment of that?

  • I reject this broad definition of shirk.  You say that "shirk is to assist someone in worshiping Allah" (swt)- Lets take an example: If I lay the prayer rug for my friend- I am committing shirk?

    Please clarify, so I can come to my point.

    Salamualykum.

  • is this ur best example? of course NO .

    salam

  • Based on your definition, this was the simplest example to prove a point. I was expecting you to refine your definition and then I can make my point. Because before jumping into a discussion it is best to define terms, and apparently you could not do that.

    Salam

  • HELLOO,iam NOT english.....

  • The Prophets have a say in our fate, however this is true only if Allah (swt) permits.

    Quran 2:255

    ...Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens ...

  • Shias should learn more about Prophet Muhammad than the Imams

  • where from the ali ever come when you took the name of islam?it was enough if you has to follow the ali,as ali follow the mohammad pbuh and remain in the baiyt of other khalifas,but you didnt follow the ali you follow the shaitta,,,,who said to you make the pictures of ahl baiyt,,,the followers of shaitan,

    mohammad shangwani

  • Ali (a.s) is the True Successor of Holy Prophet (pbuh) and nominated by Holy Prophet (pbuh) himself. Shia Love Holy Porphet (pbuh) and his Household (a.s) more than thier lives. Unlike other Muslims SHIAS do not follow the sons of Kuffar and do not believe the sons of Kuffar as rightful caliphs.

  • i think shias are idolizing the imams too much, they should tone it down some before they get too close to worshipping them, other than that they seem fine

  • salaam brothers..can sum1 please clear one thing up for me...when people say..hazrat ali is the true successor...wat do they actually mean?successor of what..etcc....

    thankss

  • SHIAS ARE NOT KAFIR!

  • Shia: The true followers of Allah!!!!

  • In reply to Allahakbar: Brother what you are refering is not shia at all. I am a shia and I know. Please think very deeply about why would someone fool you? We believe Prophet Muhammad (S)'s status is higher then Ali (A.S)

  • Islam is Islam. One God and One Prophet.

    The Prophet did say his ummah will be divided into 73 sects. But he did'nt say it should be divided into these sects.

    If the Prpohet was here today he would not have been happy with these divisions.

    The Qur'an warns against sects 6:159.

    We've all been warned. It's our decision.

  • There's not just One Prophet in Islam! There are many Prophets, but Muhammad (pbuh) is the Last Prophet of Allah!

  • Yes and we are the ummah of the final Prophet.

    Do you know th punishment of calling a muslim Kufr ?

  • Yes I know, but why are our Sunni brothers calling Shias Kufr?! The way I look at it is if you call another Muslim or group of Muslims Kufr, then you yourself is a Kafr!

  • Those Sunni who call Shia Kufr and those Shia who call Sunni Kufr are the ignorant ones, those who lack true education and knowledge and above all discipline.

    To be a good Muslim, you have to be a good person first.

    People don't know the seriousness of calling a fellow Muslim Kufr and the punishment it holds.

    It's Allah's job to judge, not ours.

    On the day of questioning, we all have to answer to him.

    And when Allah will ask "Why did you call him a Kufr" I hope they have a good answer.

  • Yes, I agree with you 100%, but I just get so angry and upset when these so-called Muslims call each other Kufr...They're just being so ignorant and intolerant of each other, when instead they should be united together as One Ummah!

  • Just do as I do......Pray for them.

  • how are you the true belivers of allah when shias pray you pray to the imams not to god you pray to the 12 imaams and shias mostly care about the 12 imaams not the prophets or god

  • Shias don't pray to Imams! They pray to God! Get your facts straight!

  • It is the trouble makers that really fight among shias or sunnies. Mostly those who have been brainwashed by Wahaby propaganda.

    A BIG JOKE: Abdullah Yusuf Ali is a shiite, Ha Ha

    70 virgin is Osma bin Laden story, created by CIA in 1982 to attract afghan fighters to fight Russia.

    Syed Razvi is right. Verse 33:33 starts with words ending "KUNNA" and later changes the gender to "KUM" for male or a mix of males and females. WHO EVER DISPUTES DOES NOT KNOW ARABIC GRAMMER.

    MUSLIMS STOP FIGHTING

  • who ever made up the story about the virgins after death , thats the best one yet , theres lots of money there as well , and geuss what? the shops are 99% off all year and the girls that serve you give ther phone numbers out and are also virgins

  • wait for a muslim attempt and you loose the will to joke!

  • SHIA IS KUFR....takko ALLAH you HYPOCRITES

  • You are a KAFR!

  • Quran 5:55

    Your Wali (leaders, sovereign), is none other than Allah, his Prophet, and the believer who gives his salat and gives zakat WHILE he is in ruku (on knees during prayer).

    Mutaawatir Hadith (haith that is extremely common & accepted hadith in the sunni/shia books)=

    Imam Ali (a.s.) gave took his ring off his pinky and gave it as zakat during ruku, while he was praying)

    over 30 references of this hadith in sunni sahih books- i can reference if anyone needs to see them-salam

  • Salam! There is wisdom in sunni and shi'a Islam. Both are Islam. Our differences should be celebrated and not made a reason to fight among ourselves. We should respect each other like true brothers and sisters.

  • shia are misguided and dont really no there own deen and for the ones who do they are cafer, they deveiate so much from the deen. bida is rejectred and they also particapate with shirk as they take partners with allah and give attributes that only allah can have and say man can be invaluable, when it clearly states in the quran that man can make mistake even the prophet pbuh, he never sinned but man is human and we are naturally going to make mistakes. may allah guide them 2 the straight path

  • salaamz brothers and sisters :)

    So i do and act as the prophet (pbuh) acted...... like isn't that what we're suppose to do....

    The prophet said there would be sects.... and divisions.... Stop arguing and jus do as you do.... because its written that this will happen.....

    So why be lil girls about it, and instead jus lay back and watch it happen....

    None of us clearly know everything and some know more than others.... making the debates unfair....

  • Ya Allah! Ya Muhammed! Ya Ali!

    Shia Islam is the right way!

    Allah bless all true Muslims inshalla!

  • "our country was blessed with the relgion of Allah and prophet Mohammads true teachings"

    Iran was sunni till 1500AD when Shah Ismail Qizilbash Azerbaijani made shia official of iran.But it was shah Tahmasp who made conversions. Before that iran produced great sunni scholars like imam abuhanifa, abdulqadir jilani and imam ghazali.There were some ismaili shias in Alborz near Tehran but they were destroyed by mongols.All muslims are one brother sunni and shia is nothing but politics between kings.

  • Iran has never been a Sunni Muslim, it's not our fault that Sunni Muslims do not like Muhammed (sas) had said to them, not even Muhammed (sas) was a Sunni Muslim, wise we are all brothers, but when Imam Mahdi (aj) will come when the whole world become real Muslims inshalla!

  • .he said that the profet SAW doughter was saying to the boys in i dont remember country that the should dring LESS alcohol...LESS ALCOHOOL..u busters teh alcohol is HARAAAAAAAM.. u plz oppen ur eyes and read teh quran and follow profet mohammad SAW ...AND NOTTT some gauy from iran and to be true ..they are jewes

  • you are sick!

  • SHIA the true followers ......are u kidding with me.....U dont even follow allah....Becouse if u do...then whay do u have ur own quran...and u have maaaany foool and even funny hadith by ur own...ur women if she cant get pregnant u sent he to sestani to nights with him....THE muslims honour...and SHARAF...even u sestani tells u aboute a city fatima..whos the chritian belives that its true.

  • Why do they have pictures of Imam Ali, Hussain and Hassan ?

    Why make pictures of such pious and beloved people ?

    The markets of Damacus are full of such pictures.

    Some of the shrines in Damacus have small pictures on the graves.....WHY ???

  • WHY ??? the answer was already mentioned above. BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ....{pious and beloved people }.... in addition for that is THEY ARE THE HOLY AND PURIFIED FAMILY Ahl-ulbayt (AS)

    (QUR'AN 33:33).

    they are the BEST OF ALL CREATIONS(HUMAN BEING)!

    now quote for me a qur'anic verse which says making a pictures of the said characteristics of the ahl-ulbayt(as) is prohibited,?

    or taking a picture of your beloved person is not allow in islam?

  • Hmmmmm !!!! The title of the surah is Al-Ahzab, meaning The Confederates and 33:33 talks about the wives of the Prophet(pbuh) as do the previous verses and the verses after. No mention of Ali, Hussain or Hasan (RA)

    You say they were the best of creations....The wives of the Prophet(pbuh)......So why do you curse Bibi Ashia.

    Read the whole chapter pal, not just a verse.

    Have a nice day.

  • tell me first who are the purified ahl-ulbayt(a)?!(qur'an 33:33)

    i personally don't advice anyone to curse Aisha!

    speaking of cursing .....? i can show you that prophet (puh&hf) allows to curse someone (kuffars or hypocrates) from sunni-reference!

  • EASY..........The purified are the wives of the Prophet(pbuh) as the chapter tells us.

    What you need to do is read the entire chapter and read it carefully.

    Your problem is you take one verse and assume its meaning. Clearing you have very little knowledge as you have shown.

    If you don't curse Bibi Ashia, then go and preach in your Shia mosques to your scholors.

    Forget Sunni references, lets use the word of Allah as proof. I too can show you Shia sources of pure hypocrasy.

  • can you show me the verse where it says the puriefied ahlulbayt(a) are the wives of the holy prophet(puh&hf)?! please provide your proof! i can wait.

  • Read chapter 33 in the Qur'an and try to understand it.

  • Looks like you didnt read the verse properly yourself. If you understand the context of the verse, you will wind verse 33.33 starts of in a Feminan format of Arabic (for the wifes of the Prophet (s), ) when the part referring towards the 'People of the House' its in a Masculine format, which does not aim towards the Wifes. But the members of his Family

  • Really.......So the verses from 33:29 onwards all talk about the wives of the Prophet(pbuh) but just the end part of 33:33 all of a sudden becomes masculine and refers to the family ? Is that what your saying ?

    Your not the first person to twist and turn verses from the Qur'an to justify yourself and you won't be the last.

    The chapter and verses are crystal clear for everyone to read and understand for themselves.

    Shame on you for assuming.

  • In Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation (He is a Shia scholor) the word used is consort and not wives or family.

    Consort means husband or wife in this text.

    Abdulaah Yusuf Ali's translation was given a decree of approval from the Shia school of thought in Lebanon for it's accuracy and unbiased opinions and views.

  • Here is what you are missing: If we get help from any body, we do it with

    the understanding that he by his own can not help us. He can not benefit us

    unless Allah wishes to.

  • If one calls Prophet Muhammad (PBUH&HF) or Imam Ali

    (AS) for help, he is, in fact, calling Allah for help through intermediary

    of the Prophet or the Imams, and he does that with the understanding that

    the Prophet or the Imams doe not have any independent power, but rather

    what they have (which many others lack) is that they have CREDIT in front

    of Allah and that Allah does not put down their requests if they pray to

    Allah on my behalf.

  • Imam Ali and all the martyrs are alive as Quran clearly

    testifies, though they are not on the earth. So please do not treat them as

    dead. Allah states in Quran:(3:169)

  • The Prophets, all except Isa have died in this world. We live in this world. We do not call upon the dead who have died in this world for help.

    We as Humans have been created to worship Allah alone. All we need, we ask Allah.

    As for intercede. The beloved Prophet (pbuh) will intercede for us on judgement day.

    The Qur'an mentions nothing about Imams.

  • we don't ask ANY HUMAN BEING for a help EXCEPT FOR WHAT HE(ALLAH S.) PERMITS.(Qur'an2:255).

    we only worship ALLAH (S). ALONE!

    About

    The Qur'an mentions nothing about Imams.? this is another topic friend.

  • The Holy Quran further supports intermediary for approaching toward Allah

    where it states: "O' you who believe! Be mindful (of your duties) to Allah, and seek the means of approaching toward Him." (Quran 5:35)

    Quran tells us that there exists a means of approaching "al-Wasilah" for us

    in each era, which is different than Allah and we should seek him if we

    want to approach toward Allah.

  • In fact, both Tawassul and Wasilah are from

    the same root. When we make Tawassul, it means that we seek the Mercy of

    Allah by resorting to a connection who was more obedient toward Allah and,

    as a result, Allah answers his/her prayers faster than us.

  • Allah may

    forgive us for the credit and the honor of that man/woman. It is true every

    where that doing a job (specially if it is asking for a big courtesy)

    without any connection is difficult or might be impossible. Approving such

    a courtesy needs credit, and the one without it should resort to the one

    who has the credit and the connection. This credit has been acquired by

    absolute obedience of Allah.

  • "Who can intercedes with Him except the cases that He permits?" (Quran 2:255) "They (i.e., prophets and Imams) do not say anything until He orders, and they act (in all things) by His command. He knows what is before them and what is behind them and they (i.e., those saints) offer no intercession except for anyone whom Allah accepts, and they are in awe and reverence of His (glory)." (Quran 21:27-28)

  • 2:225, there is no ie: in the Qur'an meaning Prophets or Imans. this is a man made insertion. The accompanying hadith does not state an Iman or Prophet. "He will call you to account"

    Qur'an 21:27-28. The name of the surah is Al-Anbiya, meaning Prophets, there is no mention of Imams in the entire surah.

  • all right no problem! but wait.... please ....try to analize the essence of the verse. and to whom do you think it was referings?

  • Think not of those who are martyred in the way of Allah as dead. Nay! They are living, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord." (Quran 3:169)

    In fact all of our Imams except Imam Mahdi were martyred either by sword or

    by poison. Moreover,

  • Think not of those who are martyred in the way of Allah as dead.  Nay! They are living, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord." (Quran 3:169)

  • Think not of those who are martyred in the way of Allah as dead. Nay! They are living, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord." (Quran 3:169)

    The above verse as you quoted confirms they are dead in this world/life.

  • ALLAH (S) SAID:

    "Think NOT!? of those who are martyred in the way of Allah as DEAD!? Nay! THEY are LIVING, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord." (Quran 3:169)

    [The above verse as you quoted confirms they are dead in this world/life].

    THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY ALIVE! finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord." EVRYTHING IS POSSIBLE BY THE POWER OF ALLAH(S)!

  • "Those you call on besides Allah do not create anything. They are themselves created. They are dead, not alive, and they are not aware of when they will be raised." (Surat an-Nahl: 20-21)

    In this world everyone dies physically and is not raised until the day of resurecction.

    The above verse confirms that we only ask Allah for help. We do not ask his creations

  • we only worship ALLAH(S).

    we don't ask  for a help EXCEPT FOR WHAT HE PERMITS

    "Who can intercedes with Him except the cases that He permits?" (Quran 2:255)

    As you see there are exceptions. Some specific people can intercede with

    Allah by His permission. But this is not granted to every people.

    can you see and get the logic?

  • Thus being a Shia does not mean anything, unless we know the Shia of whom. Allah mentioned in Quran that Some of His righteous servants were Shia of His other righteous servants. An example was Prophet Abraham who was mentioned in Quran specifically as the Shia of Noah: "And most surely Abraham was among the Shia of him (i.e., Noah)" (Quran 37:83)

  • Qur'an 37:83 "And verily, among those who followed this way (Nuh's way, Islamic monotheism, the oneness of God) was Abraham"

    The verse simple states that Abraham believed in Islamic monotheism (Hanifa) just like all the Prophets. No mention of the word Shia.

  • Qur'an 37:83 "And verily, among those who followed this way (Nuh's way, Islamic monotheism, the oneness of God) was Abraham"

    The verse simple states that Abraham believed in Islamic monotheism (Hanifa) just like all the Prophets.

    No mention of the word Shia. ?!

    SEE THE ARABIC TXT!

    وَإِنَّ مِن شِيعَتِهِ لَإِبْرَاهِيمَ (QUR'AN37:83)

  • And..........................H­ow many meanings does the word Shia have in Arabic ????

    Get a good Arabic - English dictionary.

  • my point here , is i proved it to you that word "shia" was already existed before imam ali(a). contrary to your claims. Allah(s) used it not only once when He was refering to the muslims! (qur'an 37:87}

    so this is the meaning of shia according to Qur'an .

  • Yes.........correct, but it's just a word and it's short for Shiite which simply means GROUP.

    So what are you trying to prove ??????????? The word group didn't exist previously ???

    Ali was 30 years younger then the Prophet(pbuh). When the Prophet(pbuh) wanted a job done, he'd say Shiite-ul-Ali, meaning Ali and his group to carry out a small task.

    Ali's group were all young, healthy and energetic, they were the young generation.

  • i cannot understand you ?! it was very clear

    according from on that verse which you presented it's meaning was "followers" shia ...."those who followed"....(qur'an 37:83) so what is your problem with that?!

  • Again it DOES NOT say anything about calling on Ali (ra)?

    Ali is one of Ahlulbayt, the Chosen Servant of Allah swt and is the Maula for all mukmins. In other word, he is like the Baitullah as in the case of Kaabah.

    Anyone Muslim must be with Ali to reach Allah swt, as the same situation to be in Baitullah for prayer

  • Your a very confused person and you have little or no knowledge. Your comments over the past few days have been full of contradictions.

    I've quoted you from the Qur'an, can you do the same ?

    People who call upon the dead are from the days of ignorance, Jahaliyah.

    The status you give Ali is man made and not from Allah.

    Your pure ignorance is a sign of Qayamah.

  • when will you get it that Hazrat Ali Is A Ahle-Bayt! And a Ahle-Bayt is NOOR(light)And no muslim calls Imams thier prophets or gods(when will you come out of your ignorance)

    lets talk about Shaheed!

    You scream Quran, Quran, Quran

    lets see you quote from Quran where it says Dont ask for any man(living)help!!Coz Hazrat Ali is Alive! And what do you know about the power (that Allah has Given him/her)of a shaheed

  • ". Calling to the wilayat of Ali in reality is to call upon Allah swt. the same as making prayer in Baitullah.

    Ali is NOT Allah swt, Ali is the mean to reach Allah swt. Therefore, we also say "Aliyun waliyullah".

    Also one of the reasons we stress on Ya Ali Madad is that abu Bakr, umar & uthman had disobeyed the Holy Prophet by denying Imam Ali his rightful position. Cursing

  • if they was not any cracks my friend me and you would not be argueing i will say my faith is islam and you will also say that but only one person will decide write from wrong

    i just hope your iman is strong

    ya allah madat

    ya rasool

    ya ali madut

  • Why do always assume in your comments.

    I'm a Muslim (Alhumdulilla) you call yourself a Shia. I'm not a Shia, Sunni, Wahabi, Barelvi etc. I'm just a Muslim & I refer to the Qur'an which says all the Prophets were Muslims.

    Qur'an 3:52, 3:67, 3:103, 6:159 & 41:33.

    My guidence is the Qur'an, not any Imam. Nor do I elevate anyone to the Status of prophethood after the last Prophet Mohammad(pbuh).

    Neither do I bow to the dead or ask the dead for help, I ask only Allah.

    The Qur'an 109:6. Period.

  • Let me make this simple for you

    When we say ya Ali madut its for the little things like getting up off a seat, lifting something heavy etc when we make dua all our duas are directed towards Allah (swt)

    Why cant we praise hazrat Ali or remember him

    Simple..........

    And you being a Muslim you will acknowledge and accept Imam Ali status after the prophet

  • Read what you saying "Ya Ali Madut".

    Wheather it be a small thing or big, your still asking a dead person for help.

    A dead person is of no help to anyone.

    Why can't YOU see the logic in that.

    Why do you practise pagan and ignorant rituals.

    A dead person is dead.

  • again there is no basis for your accusations

    tell me exactly where its says you cannot call on Ali not DEAD person

    whats is your problem you keep coming back on the same point even though i have presented many facts and refrences from SUNNI hadith and even from the quran you keep coming back to the same thing

    get a life mate!!!!!!!!!!!

    thats what what sets us apart

    you just have hate and retribution

    while we just have love

    ya ali madut

  • Read your own comment, you wrote :

    "Tell me exactly where its says you cannot call on Ali not DEAD person"

    Ali is dead until the day day of resurrection and you are calling a dead person for help.

    You'll never understand and I know why.

  • no i know exactly what i am saying

    your saying that the quran states

    in your words " you cannot call upon the dead" nothing about even if they hold a high rank in the eyes of allah (swt)

    im asking you where it states you cannot call upon imam Ali

    remember, again in your words

    you follow the quran word for word i want you to forward a statement from the quran where it proves this

  • Below is one example, there are many many more.

    Know you quote to me from the Qur'an where it says you can call upon the dead for help.

    "Those you call on besides Allah do not create anything. They are themselves created. They are dead, not alive, and they are not aware of when they will be raised." (Surat an-Nahl: 20-21)

  • Imam Ali was an order from the beginning of Muawiyah's reign for 65 years. It was Umar Ibn Abdil Aziz who canceled this order after more than half a century. Some historians even believe that the Umayyah descendants themselves killed (poisoned) Umar Ibn Abdil Aziz, because he changed their Sunnah, one of which was cursing Ali.

    So when we say YA Ali Madad, in no way do we belittle the Prophet. In fact, we are acting according to Holy Prophet's commands.