Union Terrace Gardens: Open Spaces UnLtd's Option 7

[chichoscaprichos]

Dear Under Terrain Gunter.

Thank you very much for you enlightening contribution to our little discussion board here on youtube. Have you heard of Aberdeen Voice? The information you have given us today could be published there and could reach a much wider audience. I think it's important that people hear what you have to say about concrete structures. Here is the address aberdeenvoice.c o m. I'm sure your contribution would be most welcome.

In solidarity

[underterraingrunter]

@chichoscaprichos Sir.

I will most certainly take up your suggestion.

I humbly ask you to read my dissertation entitled 'Potential North Sea Oil Disaster' which can be found on the forum known as ATS, (abovetopsecret). I'm pleased to say simply typing Potential North Sea Oil Disaster into google gives my work as the top result.

[underterraingrunter]

@chichoscaprichos On a more mundane note may I inform you that by moving your mouse to the right of a comment you will find a box marked reply. Click on this to find a box in which to type your reply. This then appears in the inbox of the poster to whom you are replying, alerting them to the communication.

In anticipation of a glorious victory.

Under Terrain Grunter (UTG) The Voice Of The Underground.

[underterraingrunter]

In short, it would seem presumptuous to hope a concrete wonderland could possibly be an improvement on the wondrous design of the naturally occurring architectural masterpiece commonly referred to as a tree.

Bury my heart at Corbie Heugh.

Your friend, Under Terrain Grunter.

[underterraingrunter]

Although inefficient grouting of cable ducts has been blamed for dangerous corrosion of said cables, we also hear this from the TRB..."It has also been verified that tendons can corrode even when completely covered by grout. Within voids and despite low pH grouts, corrosion has occurred irrespective of low chloride concentration. At times, the rate of strand corrosion may increase when voids are filled with fresh grout."

Prestressed concrete construction seems primitive and unreliable.

[underterraingrunter]

It may be necessary to inform the City Square proponents of the newly uncovered information. In the past, for example in the 70's when the Ninian Central Platform was built, much enthusiasm for concrete led to some very regrettable decisions being made. The recent Hammersmith Flyover debacle being a prime example of the consequences of such decisions.

Sudden failure of prestressed concrete structures has occurred often enough to put us all on our guard when trusting our lives to such structures.

[underterraingrunter]

The Transportation Research Board (TRB) is a division of the National Research Council, which serves as an independent adviser to the President, the Congress and federal agencies on scientific and technical questions of national importance.

These are their words.

"It appears that corrosion and potential failure of post tensioned structures is more problematic than previously thought."

Major problems are becoming obvious in concrete structures around the world.

[chichoscaprichos]

I hope my humble offering help to shed some light on those "arrogant" people who may not be fully supportive of your personal agenda.

Thanks again and please don't hesitate to contact us if there is anything else we can do for you.

George Maloney III

[chichoscaprichos]

Money does appear, at least to many people, to be buying opinion. The pro-UTG groups simply do not have the funds that this unregistered group enjoy and as a result the debate is not fair or balanced. I fear that such disregard for public opinion will lead to consumers simply withdrawing their savings from the confidence-in-business-elites-­and-ACC bank and will oblige them to look for other ways to run their society.

[chichoscaprichos]

spending far more than the £8000 allowed to official campaign groups. It was stated that the playing was not very level. Especially when the Facebook page revealed that 50 anonymous business people were behind the venture. Many of our participants had become disillusioned and tired by the constant stream of Royal Mail delivered pro-CGP propaganda dropping though their doors. The flyers, newspapers, radio adverts, video and pro-CGP media were all identified as major concerns throughout the survey

[chichoscaprichos]

especially when one considers the number of budgets and services which are being liquidated and how that might affect the most vulnerable in our society.

The final point I'd like make is that, according to our telephone survey, the public felt the referendum itself might be undemocratic. Many participants raised concerns about the funding of a group called the 'Vote for the City Gardens Project'. They felt that, as it had not registered as an official campaign organisation, is may be

[chichoscaprichos]

only included funding for 6 schemes but when the ACC scheme was not recommended by the Scottish Futures Trust (a body appointed by the government to scrutinize TIF applications and make recommendations on the sensibility of the business case to the government) to Holyrood ministers decided that they might be able to find an extra £92 million to finance said initiative.

I suspect that the public, in these terrible times of austerity, simply feel that spending such money is not prudent,

[chichoscaprichos]

very little in the way of information about the funding mechanisms. The TIF scheme has a very blotted co-opy book and I wonder if the public aren't beginning to get a little restless about the details.

Our team has, through vigorous investigation, shown that the consumers tend towards anti-austerity views. They felt that the Scottish Government were changing the rules of the game halfway through. It was pointed out to me by one of our most esteemed clients that the original TIF pilot scheme

[chichoscaprichos]

the retention of the gardens. Additionally, our Public Relations Department found that citizens did not care much for the marketing strategies of the pro-CGP teams. They felt that they had been delivered an ultimatum, a threat, if you will. Our research shows that Aberdonians do not respond well to threats, especially when they are being threatened by those who completely ignored their feedback forms. I, again speaking as a citizen of the Granite City, feel that the public have been offered

[chichoscaprichos]

I suspect that consumers in the city are unsatisfied with their choice of local quangos given the our foremost advisory body ACSEF, a board of millionaire businessmen with only 2 elected representatives, appears to have unrestrained influence over the economic direction in which our city is being driven. I also suspect that consumers are unsatisfied with the matter of public consultations. In this particular case, consumers have been consulted twice and have, both times, called for

[chichoscaprichos]

Thank you for getting in touch again Mr. knabzco. We at Open Spaces Unltd feel that we cannot speak for the citizens of Aberdeen as we are an unlimited company but I would, speaking as an individual of course, like to offer my thoughts on the issue.

Our feedback analysis actually found the "arrogant" ones to be those in our society who have no regard for democracy or decency. I suspect, again speaking as an individual, that this result pertains to the veil of secrecy that surrounds the project.

[chichoscaprichos]

Dear knabzco, thank you very much for you feedback on our campaign. The board are considering your comments and will send through their reply in due course. We are proud of our proposal and feel honoured that you would take 2 minutes out of your very busy day to send us your insightful words. You are most welcome to arrange a meeting with one of our managers if you would like to talk further about our wonderful company.

Much love to you

Kisses xxx

[knabzco]

@chichoscaprichos

I just find it incredibly arrogant of some people who are prepared to turn down an offer of 50 million pounds to bring their city centre back to life. There are towns and cities throughout the UK and Ireland which would bite your hand off for such an amazing offer. Sad. Really sad to see. I sincerely hope that common sense will prevail and the majority vote yes. If they're retained, tell me, what will the Gardens look like in 10, 20 years time?

[knabzco]

Well, at 499 views, i'd say you've probably impressed enough people to swing the vote. Not. Fucking bellend. Grow up.

[MikeD2006]

@knabzco It's shouty rude people like yourself with limited vocabulary, foresight (and probably intellect), that will be hypocritically having a screaming tantrum about their massively inflated council tax bills when the project's extra funding of £100million fails to materialise, and the council have to squeeze Aberdeen dry to finish off a massive unfinished hole in the ground.

[kpnut88]

what a pile o pants!!

[reneemrgaret2009]

Absolutely Brilliant!!

[xistenshal]

Good on you, guys. Next steps?

Iain R.