I Really Like The Video From Your the author of several works of nonfiction, including A Primate's Memoir, The Trouble with Testosterone, Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers and Monkeyluv: And Other Essays on Our Lives as Animals.
Man asks for sex, woman says maybe. Man goes crazy on dopamine levels and is even more determined to have sex so works hard for her, woman says maybe still, man fucks her hard, woman is happy or sad depending on what shes into.
However, the life after death thing gives reward not so much because of the lack of present bias, but it takes away the present bias of fearing death, which is a major crutch for most people. Also, religion must involve many more instant reward neurotransmitters.
their are spirits and emotions and things in and around this world, our world, that cannot be explained with plain logic, looking at nature teaches us this fact. their is somthing greater than ourselves that is part of ourselves, because i am not a 2 fold being ,, i'm 3 fold. science proves that with todays technology. it's not just an opinion, it is a fact, a fact with no definite conclusions to it either.
has everything to do with both, or none at all, that's what hope is, attributed to a faith in something that cannot be explained in a simple math equation , protons, electrons, ions etc. have more sense than that. they move with intelligence and people can co-create with this energy. i speak it forth, i choose to think it, and give action to it. takes the same amount of energy to think opposite of that, and that person is also correct, they get in return what they project outwards from the mind
Meh. Until science becomes akin to Nexialism, this is just opinion. Science is too disjointed when molecular biologists claim the cell is too complex to have been created, quantum theorists show proof of the spirit, and physicists show the impossible probabilities of our universe without design. Stick to your field Dr. as you are doing great work but don't overreach (religion) when you cross into fields where other brilliant scientists refute you.
@elderwesto A scientist's "brilliance" is immaterial -- what matters is verifiable findings. There are no peer-reviewed studies that demonstrate that humans have a soul.
@pierneus i wouldn't go so far as to brag about yourself and all atheists in this thread as being highly intelligent just because you think so. you'll never prove it, just as any believer can't prove their is God, just to satisfy your intellectual pride. everyone knows that.
@frankenboston it's no coincidence that the most brilliant minds on this planet are atheists, and I was not bragging about myself, I just made a statement.
@pierneus i could say the same thing about believers being more intelligent ,history shows us who they were and who they are today, it can't be proven or disproved on 3 dimensional grid, to me that sais it would be wise to not shut the door on theism . that's true some genius minds are non believers in a God concept. and some genius minded people believe also. nothing to do with religion.
@pierneus cool, i sensed you already said something to that affect , being agrreable and still disagree with others is the cornerstone of the world surviving and not blowing itself up. as a born again penal gland awakener, ex-christian , believer in a higher power, i'm seeing the truth dichotomized is certainly stranger then fiction, through science, we were definately lied to by our governments and their in check mate now, and the people want answers.
@frankenboston it has nothing to do with intelligence because its a blind faith in many cases ingrained in the culture they were born into.Those scientists cant explain or prove it,they just say they choose to believe regardless of proof.There no eveidence of any higher power and never will be,it doent exist a far a we can tell
and people i'm by no means exactly the same as a "monkey" they are wonderful specimens of animal, close to us in molecular structure but not us. this scientist is desperately trying to force his opinion on the human brain being exactly the same, wanna talk about delusional. Mankind is influenced by Satan, and evil forces, same as they give crack to mice, ,, men give crack to other men,, because their stupid and evil, they will stand before God too, you should be afraid.
@frankenboston Of course you are not the same. The monkey is smarter than you because he's not going to press the lever regardless of how many times you tell him he's going to heaven.
@effet monkeys don't understand the God concept your right, and spiritual concepts like i do, God is Love, your idea of Love is not god, i'm glad you projected your intellect at me through the mind set of an ape, then you must know now animals dont belong stuck in a cage or hideous acts of pain and humiliation performed on it by barbaric insane butchers that mankind and his and her ego gets a perverted twisted thrill out of it your in denial amuses me. i hope that all Evil is cast out by Love.
congratulations he's stuck on stupid. now i;m way smarter, right? life is not all just inside of a brain cell sorry. he;s speaking only on a small part of the puzzle, he's not wrong, but he isn;t all right either. typical of programmed science that stays within the box, and of manipulation
@frankenboston On what basis is he wrong? Cite one concrete verifiable fact to back up your claim. Ranting about how he's not all right and a typical programmed science that stays within the box is'nt a fact. Just hyperbole.
@skingbinsane the frontal lobe, is just that, it's a frontal "LOBE" what facts do you need to know or argue about that the human spirit is science fact not fiction , and im not upset or angry one bit tward what you say either. i have looked at the thin wall with my own eyes, that proceeds the spirit realm, and the dementions beyond the earthy realm of existence. go find the nearest haunted place, local to you and drive their and stay over night, then come back and tell me if i'm wrong,
@frankenboston The fact hasn't changed. You're the one that claims a soul/spirit is something metamagical and transfers consciousness to another "demention" (AS YOU CALLED IT LMAO). I accept that AIR we breate has been called spirit and soul. You lose again fool.
Hi, I am a psych grad student and I post lecture series online too, I have explained this prof Sapolsky example in relation to the Rescorla-Wagner model. Check out my channel if interested! :)
Hahahaha even a monkey wouldn't press a lever (or accomplish the equivalent of a ritual performance) in order to get a reward in the afterlife!!!!! hOW DUMB CAN A PERSON BE... Robert is the best! gotta love him...
I absolutely love Robert Sapolsky, he is right up there with Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Steven Pinker, etc. I wish he would take a stand against religion after he retires. We need an army of scientist to take down religion.
i could easily bash Atheism or Agnosticism and Christianity or other faiths and religions, true religion that is. but i won't, i'm gonna go out on a limb here and compliment both for the truths and truth both parties attribute to a greater meaning and level. not because it's my own opinion or hypothesis , but because it is 100 % Truth and fact of this 3rd demention of existence, we call life on earth. to try and put God in a box of any size? is a form of retarded insanity.
@frankenboston Actually religion came about thanks to schizotypals. Did you watch Robert's lectures with a bag over your head? God belief is a akin to schizophrenia, drug use or retardation.
@skingbinsane no, i didn;t i'm open to all truth, why did you? i'm not pointing fingers here, sorry, and i wont engage in pissing contests either. the mind of man is like an ants brain compared to God, Akin is an ant, who do you think designed us? Akin? he was swimming in his daddies balls , way after the universe was framed.
@skingbinsane it's pretty simple really, this is the 3rd demention, and their are other higher levels of demention we live in, on all sides of the spectrum of light, this man, tries to put an end all be all opinion on God, because he thinks he is God, simple and easy to follow, intellegents does not equal , Goodness or Love, it;s just a tool , i know for a fact we are spirits, living inside of a body,
@frankenboston Up to 11 dimensions in current M Theory. You should read a primer on string theory before you try to make that leap. God is created by the mind. Other than the lunatic writings of mutated primates, what evidence do you have of God. No one can prove it. You only have this belief in your head that tells you its so. You are a liar because you know you have ZERO FACTS that we are spirits.
@skingbinsane spirits my friend do not operate on paper, , or the math you choose to follow. it;s a much higher science. yes i know, etherics , and higher beings of self, all of it is real,, all of it true, i am not a fake, i'm not a mind reader either, but spirits do read. our givernments have been holding everyone captive with sub science since it began manipulation after the Alantian cultrues were destroyed. i;m just basing my beliefs on historical fact. you can throw numbers at me all day
and though so-called God. and ghosts, spirit, are real and true to me, just a much different and higher plane of existence and "being" that also baffles and agrivates, or frustrates the ahtiest or agnostics,, like myself, i'm a believer in God, Christ, Buddha,, ect. yet i desire agnostic proof as well, so i am a real realist. and a nutt case,, flake, space shot, hyporcrite, yes!? contradiction man,, ya. no better and no less than anyone else, including Kings presidents, and an asshole. same.
@frankenboston LAWL Not the same, space cadet. Its called schizophrenia, schizophreneform, schizotypalism... however you wanna slice it, your brain is damaged. Damaged brain results in god belief. Same as if you injgest enthoegens, hallucengens, canabis etc. Its proven in science. MRI's show the brain behaves the same way whether a religious fanatic in prayer, drug user trippin on acid or a person having epiletic seizure caused by temporal lobe going hay-wire. Its all explained by science
@skingbinsane all half and quarter truths dink brains, yes you like dinkies poked into your head, . Mr. sissy know it all, frontal lobe my ass. hahaha, their's multi universes, and God conciousness, not drug induced, or sciztofinia ,, frinial,, dinky .. you have no testicals , therefore,, your a lovely gay, closed minded. lebian, freak, so,, your wrong sorry. you just refuse too look outside the frontal lobe box, of manipulation gayness. hahahah
@frankenboston LAWL You're clearly mentally ill my friend. Check yourself in to the nearest mental institution and fix that brain. Or maybe you just need to lay off the crack. Silly crackhead.
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Sapolsky’s work complements my thesis on the proof of our unalienable Rights apply to all Life and social systems and are part of the Laws of Nature. See my channel video.
@AapoJoki He's not making fun of Religion. Heck, he's paraphrasing faith-speak: "He's gone on to his reward." He's pointing out that we are so reward-focused that we can strive, and feel good about that striving (keeping the dopamine flowing) even when that payoff is abstract or invisible - i.e.: after death, wherein no one has yet come back to say: "It's true. I have pictures, an affadavit and a dinner menu! Keep the faith, your just reward is in the hereafter."
@fouro well put. i have a certain amount of faith,, i actually lose it when i try and study it as like,, say a cell, or an organism. becomes mundane and cold. yet there is scientific proof of the after life, more and more science is finding out more about it as science fact not fiction. a dichotomy of truths no less. theoretically for me, Faith, and spirit, are substance , of a higher nature of existence, which connects to human capacity . yet a whole different ball game.
@frankenboston Thanks. Ever heard that old joke: "What do Love, faith, comedy and frogs have in common? They all die when you dissect them." I'm more a believer in Collective Unconscious so I suppose I have faith of a sort, but I was taught that curiosity and humiiity get you farther than dogma so I've never been one of the "Faithful" - I think it becomes a dodge, crutch and/or a barrier for too many. Good luck on your quest.
@fouro true,, and comical , to a point. Love, is invisible , to me does separate us from total robotic programs and emotion, of regular animal kingdom. though we are part animal in nature. whatever the hell i just said, it still perplexes me to no end. probably because your absolutely correct. what college do you attend or school? the more i learn about the truth, the more stranger it becomes for me and i'm seeing a definate unrelenting challenge between science and spirit, or dogma.
@frankenboston - Heh. Yep, they do tend to dissolve into mush, eh? I'm 20+ years past undergrad and the post-stuff has been business and media-related. But I do use the ideas of Joe Campbell, Jung and Ernest Becker a lot in my work. I think people are much simpler than we've convinced ourselves we are - pleasure and pain, running toward one and way from the other powers us and our mythologies. Per Becker, we're an Ontological Dilema: We desire to stand apart yet we need the support of a group.
@fouro nice, you write very well. yes Dr. Jung, heard of him, i still study the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous, he's mentioned in that text. i'm trying to read more, i'm half burnt to a crisp and not joking either, , but thank God, i have my faculties still intact, yes i'm one of them and in recovery for the rets of my days, gratefully accepted the humble path. it's the only thing that has saved my ass from a sure alcoholic and drug enduced horrific death. now u see my motive on being here
Where the good doctor has missed the mark is quite simply this; No one will lay down their life for a reward that MIGHT come after death. Christian martyrs die for who they KNOW, not what reward they might possibly receive for doing so. A Muslim who blows himself up might do so in hopes that there is a reward, but the true motivation is that matryrdom is the only guarantee of salvation for a Muslim. He has no assurance that he will make it otherwise.
@7zarc7 You're wrong there: religion always deals with the great "maybe". No christian martyr has died for something KNOWN to anybody, they died for what they BELIEVED was awaiting them. If there was certainty about the validity of any religion, there would be no other religions (nor atheists).
@tmafkap - I used to agree with you. Most of my life I made some of the same arguments you are making. Then I had a very real encounter with the Holy Spirit. When people have this encounter, they are never the same. It is why they will not deny the person of Jesus Christ, even if it costs them their life. Not because of what they believe, but because they know Him in whom they have believed. Jesus, Son of God, resurected from the dead, as we will ALL be one day, even you, then Judgment.
@7zarc7 You claim one needs to believe in Jesus (which implies one doesn't have proof, as "belief" = "guess"), and that you just so happen to have personal proof (which implies something better than belief but can't prove it), and that now we just have to believe you?
I'll say what I say to anyone with the "I have a personal bit of proof that you don't and won't get (most people don't talk (or think that did) to a god in their lifetime...), and you'll be punished for it" mentality: Fuck off
@7zarc7 Just so you know I'm not picking on you or your faith, just this one idea you have, and if not only for the fact that it comes in so many varieties. What you just did was the start of monotheism: Abraham said to everyone "Hey, I have a personal bit of info that you guys can't know, and all you have to do is believe (again, just put blind faith into a guess), and then we get rewarded! Now, drop your trousers right quick...". What if he just took a dream too serious? And what about you?
@7zarc7 Well, I know multiple ways to induce such "religious" experiences in other people, so I also know how convincing those experiences can be for the weak minded. But you may understand that such experiences do not have anything valid or serious about them, they are just experiences some people make, they do not in any way indicate that the supernatural claims made by some religions are true, or that any religion is correct.
@7zarc7 "Truth" is a five letter word used to describe the wishful thinking about concepts of reality. "Truth" is always relative, never absolute, for it is an attempt to describe reality, but this attempt is always bound to fail.
@tmafkap You also see people dieing for ideas. Many people have been willing to sell their life for a patriotic idea. In many cultures, you aren't allowed to openly say that you wouldn't give your life to the cause or you are thought of as undeserving of the status bestowed on the culture (undeserving to called an American). There are atheists that will go out and fight knowing that they have very high chance of dieing, just because a politician told them to.
@christo930 Absolutely! Well, personally I wouldn't refer to myself as an atheist (it's a bit complicated), but I sure call myself an anationalist. With gods you can't ever be 100% sure that they are pure fiction, but about nations, money and titles we can (and should) be sure that they are not real, just imaginary, collective delusions...
@tmafkap Unfortunately, humans tend to group people and because of the actions of the US gov, somebody out there hates your guts and wants to kill you and your family because some other american killed their family. It seems to me that most wars are fought over things that wouldn't really affect the individuals who have to die in the war. Is there any ordinary American who;s life would have been altered if we hadn't fought in Vietnam, for example? We were in no danger whatsoever.
@christo930 Yepp, that abstract thinking in "groups" is much simpler, less complicated than reality with all it's individual expressions. Part of the problem seems to be when people act to shape reality out of abstract thinking, then atrocities like racism, fascism, communism or capitalism can f*** things up immensely. But, well, making mistakes is part of the learning process, isn't it? :0) And we have much to ponder...
@tmafkap Yep. You know what I thought was neat about this speech (I watched the whole thing at FORA)? At the end he asked for questions and for about 30 seconds or so, nobody asked any questions and there was just silence. Then, once *somebody* finally asked a question, it was as if a light went on and the group got *permission* to ask questions and then for nearly 30 minutes there were constant questions. Our herd mentality is really powerful, even a bunch of professors.
Wow, I cant help but to think about the biochemical imbalance hypothesis for mental disorders when I listen to this. I think I need to go back and read Robert Whitaker's 'Anatomy of An Epidemic' again and pay closer attention this time.
@MajorObvious Apes and humans share about 98% of their DNA and the remaining 2% that is unique to us is overwhelmingly important. He did not really explain anything.
@MajorObvious Re: "Very real intelligence gap between humans and monkeys exists." One more thing, even though it is off topic, this VERY large gap between the "complex" human, and the much less "complex" of our nearest non-human relations, has always been a bit troubling to me.
@MajorObvious He did not do away with the uniqueness of human behavior at all. What he said was that humans are unique in that they can continue their dopamine levels (expectant gratification), towards a conceptualized reward ("after"-life), independent of an actual reward (UNLIKE his test subjects). This creates a problem, in that there is a real difference between his TEST subjects, and his general conclusion about ALL subjects(which is the extrapolation).... B.t.w, philosophy NOT religion.
@MajorObvious Very reasonable. The problem of the intelligence gap still remains. And, the actual BEHAVIOR (in the end), is not the same, he outright says so. His extrapolation from his lab result seems flawed. Reasonable ?
@SevenSixTwoNato What conclusion? He merely pointed out what we already knew. His suggestion that a belief system is nothing but a dopamine inducer is the usual oversimplification expected of men of his proffesion.
He speaks of the UNIQUENESS of human behavior and then jestingly does away with it . He does not address the very real gap in complexity as to WHY we humans are so very different than his test animals in our "hopeful" postponements with the production of dopamine.
@Asiablue Yes, right. He states that there is a unique human behavior, and then makes the unpardonable non-sequitur of an argument, that this unique behavior is the same as the behavior of his test subjects who do NOT share this unique behavior. This is a "social opinion" piece, not science or reason. Also, whole-heartedly agree with you about the unique 2%.
@AapoJoki He's not making fun of Religion. Heck, he's paraphrasing faith-speak: "He's gone on to his reward." He's pointing out that we are so reward-focused that we can strive, and feel good about that striving (keeping the dopamine flowing) even when that payoff is abstract or invisible - i.e.: after death, wherein no one has yet come back to say: "It's true. I have pictures, an affadavit and a dinner menu! Keep the faith, your just reward is in the hereafter."
@AapoJoki: Have you checked out "Robert Sapolsky 1" and 2 by khiluen on here? Sapolsky is more respectful to people of faith and to how faith (an "attributional system") changes people. I have only heard it twice and not combed through it in detail, but I interpreted his tone as honest and HUMBLE that he does not understand the power of faith since he does not participate in it. Hope that is more balanced. (One example is 4:41 in part 2, about Francis Collins)
@AapoJoki: Have you checked out "Robert Sapolsky 1" and 2 by khiluen on here? Sapolsky is more respectful to people of faith and to how faith (an "attributional system") changes people. I have only heard it twice and not combed through it in detail, but I interpreted his tone as honest and HUMBLE that he does not understand the power of faith since he does not participate in it. Hope that is more balanced. (One example is 4:41 in part 2, about Francis Collins.)
@doubledoubletwnktwnk In the full video on Fora.TV he calls himself a "strident atheist". At any rate, being respectful to faith is not something I consider to be a virtue.
For the complete 1:16:08 talk, go to foradottv/2011/02/15/Robert_Sapolsky_Are_Humans_Just_Another_Primate. The other speakers are worth listening to, as well. Brain candy. Yum.
He goes a bit deeper on this at the end of this talk in the Q&A session. 'What Separates Us from Chimps:As It Turns Out, Not Much' watch?v=AzDLkPFjev4&feature=channel_video_title.
Socialism does work, that's why the Soviets outproduced every Allied nation in World War 2 and outproduced the Germans by a margin of 2-1 in war materiel.
@Redfingers First of all where the fuck did you get those facts??? Second of all every allied nation outproduced the soviets by a LOT for half a century...
The real question is where the fuck did you get this "fact"
"Second of all every allied nation outproduced the soviets by a LOT for half a century..."
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The Soviets produced 105,000 AFVs in WW2 between 1939-45, whereas the USA produced 88,000 and Germany produced 47,000 and England produced 28,000. according to German Panzers in WWII by Chris Bishop on page 184.
Also many times more rifles and submachine guns than the United States
(1)Just by observing the differences in quality of life between western nations and commies. First of all the fact that they produced more tanks does not mean that they had a more productive economy, simply that they allocated a greater share of their ressources to building tanks, and to the war production effort, wich is easy to do when u have a totalitarian regime, as opposed to a democracy that has to convinced its ppl to pay taxes for the war effort.
@TheProgressistViewer The U.S. was founded as a Republic, Democracy is the illusion you have choice, its called Fascism. Lobbing = Bribes and payoffs, Gotta keep the military complex bombing 3rd world countries for "Democracy" and Freedom. Thats how we roll!!
@ha38bb1 What u just wrote is utterly irrelevent to the point I was makin... me and the commie were arguing about productivity of the USSR vs USA, the point I was making is that the government of the US relies on support from its population, wich is why the USSR was able to allocate a bigger share of its ressources to the war effort
If it is easier for a centrally planned economy to reach peak efficiency in one mode of production, it would follow that in an instance where that is the primary determinant of success (e.g. total war), the centrally planned economy will be more successful.
Looking at the production of military goods during total war for participating nations indicates which kinds of economies were most successful at meeting demand.
Producing the largest variety and volume of gourmet mustards, in that regard, while an interesting value, does not directly contribute to the impending crisis brought on by an invasion.
GDP is an interesting statistic insofar as it determines total production. It is, however, not a complete indicator of the progress of a nation.
For instance, while production of military goods in wartime is a good thing, production of wartime goods in peacetime is wasted capital, yet increases GDP.
@Redfingers (2) if you compare gdp per capita, the USSR was never even remotly close to places like France, the US or the UK. You pinpoint the production of one single thing as a accurate mesure of a country's production capacity... laughable at best.
Post-Lenin, the Soviets never attempted to maximize GDP per capita. They never even attempted to maximize industrial growth. Under Stalin, the Soviets attempted to maximize production of war materiel, and Stalin saw the way to do that through rapid industrialization. Industrialization was incidental to his objective, and that was at the cost of agricultural production, which was stripped and underfunded.
Wartime production in total war is a good metric...
@Redfingers Well that was exactly my point, they allocated a greater share of GDP to war production than western countries did, as I said and u just said, the number of tanks produced is not a good mesure of gdp, its like me saying that since america is outproducing Norway is cheeseburgers, therefore they are more productive, its nonsense. Besides they attempted to maximize industrial growth after WW2, and never even came close to the west.
I wish the graph was in more detail. Does dopamine begin to decrease at the moment the animal begins working? Also if there is no signal, but only a reward that appears randomly, how do the trends associated with dopamine during the reward phase contrast between them?
@phantomcreamer looks like the decrease is before the work starts...the anticipation is slightly deadened by the realization that work must be performed to get the reward. Sadly enough - that's often my de-motivator.
What goes up when you get the reward because obviously food is pleasurable?
violin144000 4 days ago
Nice Video That You Share , So Very Nice Thanks You Dopamine Jackpot! Sapolsky on the Science of Pleasure
croncong 1 week ago
I Really Like The Video From Your the author of several works of nonfiction, including A Primate's Memoir, The Trouble with Testosterone, Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers and Monkeyluv: And Other Essays on Our Lives as Animals.
fitnesus 1 week ago
There is a God and he hates me.
MonacoBlast 1 month ago
DON'T GAMBLE IT WILL DESTROY YOU
predonin 1 month ago
Man asks for sex, woman says maybe. Man goes crazy on dopamine levels and is even more determined to have sex so works hard for her, woman says maybe still, man fucks her hard, woman is happy or sad depending on what shes into.
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TheSciFiCat 2 months ago
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iwantanoctopus 2 months ago 4
However, the life after death thing gives reward not so much because of the lack of present bias, but it takes away the present bias of fearing death, which is a major crutch for most people. Also, religion must involve many more instant reward neurotransmitters.
DeePhlat 2 months ago
Brilliant.
JRBendixen 2 months ago
their are spirits and emotions and things in and around this world, our world, that cannot be explained with plain logic, looking at nature teaches us this fact. their is somthing greater than ourselves that is part of ourselves, because i am not a 2 fold being ,, i'm 3 fold. science proves that with todays technology. it's not just an opinion, it is a fact, a fact with no definite conclusions to it either.
frankenboston 2 months ago
has everything to do with both, or none at all, that's what hope is, attributed to a faith in something that cannot be explained in a simple math equation , protons, electrons, ions etc. have more sense than that. they move with intelligence and people can co-create with this energy. i speak it forth, i choose to think it, and give action to it. takes the same amount of energy to think opposite of that, and that person is also correct, they get in return what they project outwards from the mind
frankenboston 2 months ago
damn the end was just boss
TITISIMO25 3 months ago
You can be a very good and inteligent person and have NO sense of critical thinking. There is no god...please!
AugustosMaximus 3 months ago
Meh. Until science becomes akin to Nexialism, this is just opinion. Science is too disjointed when molecular biologists claim the cell is too complex to have been created, quantum theorists show proof of the spirit, and physicists show the impossible probabilities of our universe without design. Stick to your field Dr. as you are doing great work but don't overreach (religion) when you cross into fields where other brilliant scientists refute you.
elderwesto 3 months ago
@elderwesto A scientist's "brilliance" is immaterial -- what matters is verifiable findings. There are no peer-reviewed studies that demonstrate that humans have a soul.
Farsay 3 months ago
This guy is John Malkovich with a beard.
JonathanJonnyJones 3 months ago
this. is. awesome.
KobraCola 3 months ago 11
righteousness fills you with dopamine... just do good, it feels really, really GOOD and it's good for everyone...
DayLi2US 3 months ago
There is no god.... Sapolsky is my god for the moment...
AugustosMaximus 3 months ago 19
@AugustosMaximus yea their kinda is, you and sapolsky's ego did not create life. sorry.
frankenboston 3 months ago
You mean to tell me that Religon is just simple tricks.. Dopamine and manipulation.....another scam...
joecoool100 3 months ago
@azopimp People who watch Sapolsky's lectures are atheists and very educated, this is no place for little-minded god followers!
pierneus 4 months ago
@pierneus i wouldn't go so far as to brag about yourself and all atheists in this thread as being highly intelligent just because you think so. you'll never prove it, just as any believer can't prove their is God, just to satisfy your intellectual pride. everyone knows that.
frankenboston 3 months ago
@frankenboston it's no coincidence that the most brilliant minds on this planet are atheists, and I was not bragging about myself, I just made a statement.
pierneus 3 months ago
@pierneus i could say the same thing about believers being more intelligent ,history shows us who they were and who they are today, it can't be proven or disproved on 3 dimensional grid, to me that sais it would be wise to not shut the door on theism . that's true some genius minds are non believers in a God concept. and some genius minded people believe also. nothing to do with religion.
frankenboston 3 months ago
@frankenboston Ok, I can agree on that.
pierneus 3 months ago
@pierneus cool, i sensed you already said something to that affect , being agrreable and still disagree with others is the cornerstone of the world surviving and not blowing itself up. as a born again penal gland awakener, ex-christian , believer in a higher power, i'm seeing the truth dichotomized is certainly stranger then fiction, through science, we were definately lied to by our governments and their in check mate now, and the people want answers.
frankenboston 3 months ago
@frankenboston it has nothing to do with intelligence because its a blind faith in many cases ingrained in the culture they were born into.Those scientists cant explain or prove it,they just say they choose to believe regardless of proof.There no eveidence of any higher power and never will be,it doent exist a far a we can tell
scarred10 2 months ago
My friend is a huge fan of Dopamine. He will call his son Dopamine !
MONKFOCKER 6 months ago
I love it when science works to help us master our own clouded inner-space. This guys work is awesome.
4andronicus 8 months ago
and people i'm by no means exactly the same as a "monkey" they are wonderful specimens of animal, close to us in molecular structure but not us. this scientist is desperately trying to force his opinion on the human brain being exactly the same, wanna talk about delusional. Mankind is influenced by Satan, and evil forces, same as they give crack to mice, ,, men give crack to other men,, because their stupid and evil, they will stand before God too, you should be afraid.
frankenboston 8 months ago
@frankenboston Of course you are not the same. The monkey is smarter than you because he's not going to press the lever regardless of how many times you tell him he's going to heaven.
Pay attention, please.
effet 3 months ago
@effet monkeys don't understand the God concept your right, and spiritual concepts like i do, God is Love, your idea of Love is not god, i'm glad you projected your intellect at me through the mind set of an ape, then you must know now animals dont belong stuck in a cage or hideous acts of pain and humiliation performed on it by barbaric insane butchers that mankind and his and her ego gets a perverted twisted thrill out of it your in denial amuses me. i hope that all Evil is cast out by Love.
frankenboston 3 months ago
congratulations he's stuck on stupid. now i;m way smarter, right? life is not all just inside of a brain cell sorry. he;s speaking only on a small part of the puzzle, he's not wrong, but he isn;t all right either. typical of programmed science that stays within the box, and of manipulation
frankenboston 8 months ago
@frankenboston On what basis is he wrong? Cite one concrete verifiable fact to back up your claim. Ranting about how he's not all right and a typical programmed science that stays within the box is'nt a fact. Just hyperbole.
skingbinsane 8 months ago
@skingbinsane the frontal lobe, is just that, it's a frontal "LOBE" what facts do you need to know or argue about that the human spirit is science fact not fiction , and im not upset or angry one bit tward what you say either. i have looked at the thin wall with my own eyes, that proceeds the spirit realm, and the dementions beyond the earthy realm of existence. go find the nearest haunted place, local to you and drive their and stay over night, then come back and tell me if i'm wrong,
frankenboston 8 months ago
@frankenboston Spirit/Soul was the life giving AIR in ancient times. Learn history fool. There are no ghosts.
skingbinsane 8 months ago
@skingbinsane your absolutely correct. but why does that fact changed at all, to the date? explain please,
frankenboston 8 months ago
@frankenboston The fact hasn't changed. You're the one that claims a soul/spirit is something metamagical and transfers consciousness to another "demention" (AS YOU CALLED IT LMAO). I accept that AIR we breate has been called spirit and soul. You lose again fool.
skingbinsane 8 months ago
@skingbinsane actually , naa, more than half the world already thinks the same way i do, not just me. sorry i win again. hahaha,
frankenboston 8 months ago
@frankenboston Bullshit... put up some facts not your fucktard opinion. You lose again dumbass
skingbinsane 8 months ago
@skingbinsane please dont talk about your mother that way, it isn't polite, there's a fact for ya, her's another fact-you blow men.
frankenboston 8 months ago
Brilliant mind!
meesterJos 9 months ago
HAHAHAHHAhAHAhaHAhahahah this is fuckin hilarious hHAHAhaha ^^
FAKEPAIN 9 months ago
Hi, I am a psych grad student and I post lecture series online too, I have explained this prof Sapolsky example in relation to the Rescorla-Wagner model. Check out my channel if interested! :)
flybybutterflies 9 months ago
i bet his dopamine would skyrocket if he anticipated shaving his beard
iliketheyeti 9 months ago
Waiting for Godot (?)
davedoom60 9 months ago
Hahahaha even a monkey wouldn't press a lever (or accomplish the equivalent of a ritual performance) in order to get a reward in the afterlife!!!!! hOW DUMB CAN A PERSON BE... Robert is the best! gotta love him...
zabelicious 9 months ago
I absolutely love Robert Sapolsky, he is right up there with Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Steven Pinker, etc. I wish he would take a stand against religion after he retires. We need an army of scientist to take down religion.
MsAgnosticatheist 9 months ago
beautiful. Thanx tweak
CH1P52 9 months ago
I wish he was my teacher.
MicahBuzan 9 months ago
DOPAMINE!!!
youngdopa 10 months ago
i could easily bash Atheism or Agnosticism and Christianity or other faiths and religions, true religion that is. but i won't, i'm gonna go out on a limb here and compliment both for the truths and truth both parties attribute to a greater meaning and level. not because it's my own opinion or hypothesis , but because it is 100 % Truth and fact of this 3rd demention of existence, we call life on earth. to try and put God in a box of any size? is a form of retarded insanity.
frankenboston 10 months ago
@frankenboston Actually religion came about thanks to schizotypals. Did you watch Robert's lectures with a bag over your head? God belief is a akin to schizophrenia, drug use or retardation.
skingbinsane 9 months ago
@skingbinsane no, i didn;t i'm open to all truth, why did you? i'm not pointing fingers here, sorry, and i wont engage in pissing contests either. the mind of man is like an ants brain compared to God, Akin is an ant, who do you think designed us? Akin? he was swimming in his daddies balls , way after the universe was framed.
frankenboston 9 months ago
@frankenboston Not following you. Have no idea who you refer to as "Akin". Please get your brain fixed. Get well soon.
skingbinsane 9 months ago
@skingbinsane it's pretty simple really, this is the 3rd demention, and their are other higher levels of demention we live in, on all sides of the spectrum of light, this man, tries to put an end all be all opinion on God, because he thinks he is God, simple and easy to follow, intellegents does not equal , Goodness or Love, it;s just a tool , i know for a fact we are spirits, living inside of a body,
frankenboston 8 months ago
@frankenboston Up to 11 dimensions in current M Theory. You should read a primer on string theory before you try to make that leap. God is created by the mind. Other than the lunatic writings of mutated primates, what evidence do you have of God. No one can prove it. You only have this belief in your head that tells you its so. You are a liar because you know you have ZERO FACTS that we are spirits.
skingbinsane 8 months ago
@skingbinsane spirits my friend do not operate on paper, , or the math you choose to follow. it;s a much higher science. yes i know, etherics , and higher beings of self, all of it is real,, all of it true, i am not a fake, i'm not a mind reader either, but spirits do read. our givernments have been holding everyone captive with sub science since it began manipulation after the Alantian cultrues were destroyed. i;m just basing my beliefs on historical fact. you can throw numbers at me all day
frankenboston 8 months ago
and though so-called God. and ghosts, spirit, are real and true to me, just a much different and higher plane of existence and "being" that also baffles and agrivates, or frustrates the ahtiest or agnostics,, like myself, i'm a believer in God, Christ, Buddha,, ect. yet i desire agnostic proof as well, so i am a real realist. and a nutt case,, flake, space shot, hyporcrite, yes!? contradiction man,, ya. no better and no less than anyone else, including Kings presidents, and an asshole. same.
frankenboston 10 months ago
@frankenboston LAWL Not the same, space cadet. Its called schizophrenia, schizophreneform, schizotypalism... however you wanna slice it, your brain is damaged. Damaged brain results in god belief. Same as if you injgest enthoegens, hallucengens, canabis etc. Its proven in science. MRI's show the brain behaves the same way whether a religious fanatic in prayer, drug user trippin on acid or a person having epiletic seizure caused by temporal lobe going hay-wire. Its all explained by science
skingbinsane 8 months ago
@skingbinsane all half and quarter truths dink brains, yes you like dinkies poked into your head, . Mr. sissy know it all, frontal lobe my ass. hahaha, their's multi universes, and God conciousness, not drug induced, or sciztofinia ,, frinial,, dinky .. you have no testicals , therefore,, your a lovely gay, closed minded. lebian, freak, so,, your wrong sorry. you just refuse too look outside the frontal lobe box, of manipulation gayness. hahahah
frankenboston 8 months ago
@frankenboston LAWL You're clearly mentally ill my friend. Check yourself in to the nearest mental institution and fix that brain. Or maybe you just need to lay off the crack. Silly crackhead.
skingbinsane 8 months ago
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Gregmills007 11 months ago
Epic beard significantly strengthens his message.
globalchaos1984 11 months ago 86
Sapolsky’s work complements my thesis on the proof of our unalienable Rights apply to all Life and social systems and are part of the Laws of Nature. See my channel video.
Mike10four 11 months ago
So that's why Atheism makes the religious so angry... it's like attempting to take crack away from a life-long crack addict.
SourcesAreEverything 11 months ago
@AapoJoki He's not making fun of Religion. Heck, he's paraphrasing faith-speak: "He's gone on to his reward." He's pointing out that we are so reward-focused that we can strive, and feel good about that striving (keeping the dopamine flowing) even when that payoff is abstract or invisible - i.e.: after death, wherein no one has yet come back to say: "It's true. I have pictures, an affadavit and a dinner menu! Keep the faith, your just reward is in the hereafter."
fouro 11 months ago
@fouro well put. i have a certain amount of faith,, i actually lose it when i try and study it as like,, say a cell, or an organism. becomes mundane and cold. yet there is scientific proof of the after life, more and more science is finding out more about it as science fact not fiction. a dichotomy of truths no less. theoretically for me, Faith, and spirit, are substance , of a higher nature of existence, which connects to human capacity . yet a whole different ball game.
frankenboston 10 months ago
@frankenboston Thanks. Ever heard that old joke: "What do Love, faith, comedy and frogs have in common? They all die when you dissect them." I'm more a believer in Collective Unconscious so I suppose I have faith of a sort, but I was taught that curiosity and humiiity get you farther than dogma so I've never been one of the "Faithful" - I think it becomes a dodge, crutch and/or a barrier for too many. Good luck on your quest.
fouro 10 months ago
@fouro true,, and comical , to a point. Love, is invisible , to me does separate us from total robotic programs and emotion, of regular animal kingdom. though we are part animal in nature. whatever the hell i just said, it still perplexes me to no end. probably because your absolutely correct. what college do you attend or school? the more i learn about the truth, the more stranger it becomes for me and i'm seeing a definate unrelenting challenge between science and spirit, or dogma.
frankenboston 10 months ago
@frankenboston - Heh. Yep, they do tend to dissolve into mush, eh? I'm 20+ years past undergrad and the post-stuff has been business and media-related. But I do use the ideas of Joe Campbell, Jung and Ernest Becker a lot in my work. I think people are much simpler than we've convinced ourselves we are - pleasure and pain, running toward one and way from the other powers us and our mythologies. Per Becker, we're an Ontological Dilema: We desire to stand apart yet we need the support of a group.
fouro 10 months ago
@fouro nice, you write very well. yes Dr. Jung, heard of him, i still study the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous, he's mentioned in that text. i'm trying to read more, i'm half burnt to a crisp and not joking either, , but thank God, i have my faculties still intact, yes i'm one of them and in recovery for the rets of my days, gratefully accepted the humble path. it's the only thing that has saved my ass from a sure alcoholic and drug enduced horrific death. now u see my motive on being here
frankenboston 10 months ago
Wow, how nice that as soon as he pulls up a of a picture of a religious figure, the crowd bursts into laughter.
nannyrox107 11 months ago
that guys bread gives me pleasure
kyleisreallycool 11 months ago
~•~ NOT MONKEys, SHEEP ~•~
Religion is their DOPE*
~• BAAH!! •~
NIKKElsix 11 months ago
Where the good doctor has missed the mark is quite simply this; No one will lay down their life for a reward that MIGHT come after death. Christian martyrs die for who they KNOW, not what reward they might possibly receive for doing so. A Muslim who blows himself up might do so in hopes that there is a reward, but the true motivation is that matryrdom is the only guarantee of salvation for a Muslim. He has no assurance that he will make it otherwise.
7zarc7 11 months ago
@7zarc7 You're wrong there: religion always deals with the great "maybe". No christian martyr has died for something KNOWN to anybody, they died for what they BELIEVED was awaiting them. If there was certainty about the validity of any religion, there would be no other religions (nor atheists).
tmafkap 11 months ago
@tmafkap - I used to agree with you. Most of my life I made some of the same arguments you are making. Then I had a very real encounter with the Holy Spirit. When people have this encounter, they are never the same. It is why they will not deny the person of Jesus Christ, even if it costs them their life. Not because of what they believe, but because they know Him in whom they have believed. Jesus, Son of God, resurected from the dead, as we will ALL be one day, even you, then Judgment.
7zarc7 11 months ago
@7zarc7 You claim one needs to believe in Jesus (which implies one doesn't have proof, as "belief" = "guess"), and that you just so happen to have personal proof (which implies something better than belief but can't prove it), and that now we just have to believe you?
I'll say what I say to anyone with the "I have a personal bit of proof that you don't and won't get (most people don't talk (or think that did) to a god in their lifetime...), and you'll be punished for it" mentality: Fuck off
Truthiness231 11 months ago
@7zarc7 Just so you know I'm not picking on you or your faith, just this one idea you have, and if not only for the fact that it comes in so many varieties. What you just did was the start of monotheism: Abraham said to everyone "Hey, I have a personal bit of info that you guys can't know, and all you have to do is believe (again, just put blind faith into a guess), and then we get rewarded! Now, drop your trousers right quick...". What if he just took a dream too serious? And what about you?
Truthiness231 11 months ago
@7zarc7 Well, I know multiple ways to induce such "religious" experiences in other people, so I also know how convincing those experiences can be for the weak minded. But you may understand that such experiences do not have anything valid or serious about them, they are just experiences some people make, they do not in any way indicate that the supernatural claims made by some religions are true, or that any religion is correct.
tmafkap 11 months ago
@tmafkap what is TRUTH?
7zarc7 10 months ago
@7zarc7 "Truth" is a five letter word used to describe the wishful thinking about concepts of reality. "Truth" is always relative, never absolute, for it is an attempt to describe reality, but this attempt is always bound to fail.
tmafkap 10 months ago
@tmafkap - are you seeing someone about your dissociative personality disorder?
CohanDigitmatta 10 months ago
@tmafkap Re: "If there was certainty...there would be no other religions (nor atheists). Gotta agree with you there, although I'm not an atheist.
mozo73 11 months ago
@tmafkap You also see people dieing for ideas. Many people have been willing to sell their life for a patriotic idea. In many cultures, you aren't allowed to openly say that you wouldn't give your life to the cause or you are thought of as undeserving of the status bestowed on the culture (undeserving to called an American). There are atheists that will go out and fight knowing that they have very high chance of dieing, just because a politician told them to.
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 Absolutely! Well, personally I wouldn't refer to myself as an atheist (it's a bit complicated), but I sure call myself an anationalist. With gods you can't ever be 100% sure that they are pure fiction, but about nations, money and titles we can (and should) be sure that they are not real, just imaginary, collective delusions...
tmafkap 11 months ago
@tmafkap Unfortunately, humans tend to group people and because of the actions of the US gov, somebody out there hates your guts and wants to kill you and your family because some other american killed their family. It seems to me that most wars are fought over things that wouldn't really affect the individuals who have to die in the war. Is there any ordinary American who;s life would have been altered if we hadn't fought in Vietnam, for example? We were in no danger whatsoever.
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 Yepp, that abstract thinking in "groups" is much simpler, less complicated than reality with all it's individual expressions. Part of the problem seems to be when people act to shape reality out of abstract thinking, then atrocities like racism, fascism, communism or capitalism can f*** things up immensely. But, well, making mistakes is part of the learning process, isn't it? :0) And we have much to ponder...
tmafkap 11 months ago
@tmafkap Yep. You know what I thought was neat about this speech (I watched the whole thing at FORA)? At the end he asked for questions and for about 30 seconds or so, nobody asked any questions and there was just silence. Then, once *somebody* finally asked a question, it was as if a light went on and the group got *permission* to ask questions and then for nearly 30 minutes there were constant questions. Our herd mentality is really powerful, even a bunch of professors.
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 I've got to be unstoppable! watch?v=fW8amMCVAJQ
derman077 11 months ago
@derman077 I enjoyed that video. It was a great example of what I was talking about.
christo930 11 months ago
Pursuit of Happiness = Happiness
Cudi, you could learn some thangs
PookySan1 11 months ago
This is why I avoid God and gambling. Both are very addicting with little visible gain.
srushaggs 11 months ago 17
One mistake tough, the reward comes after our death should not be about religion, it should be about the pillars of the earth.
wimscheers 1 year ago
Wow, I cant help but to think about the biochemical imbalance hypothesis for mental disorders when I listen to this. I think I need to go back and read Robert Whitaker's 'Anatomy of An Epidemic' again and pay closer attention this time.
M1thotyn 1 year ago
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M1thotyn 1 year ago
Sweet beard
ThePoliticalMoose 1 year ago
@MajorObvious Apes and humans share about 98% of their DNA and the remaining 2% that is unique to us is overwhelmingly important. He did not really explain anything.
Asiablue 1 year ago
@MajorObvious Re: "Very real intelligence gap between humans and monkeys exists." One more thing, even though it is off topic, this VERY large gap between the "complex" human, and the much less "complex" of our nearest non-human relations, has always been a bit troubling to me.
mozo73 1 year ago
monkey casinos. WOOHOO
TheBerkeleyBear 1 year ago
@MajorObvious He did not do away with the uniqueness of human behavior at all. What he said was that humans are unique in that they can continue their dopamine levels (expectant gratification), towards a conceptualized reward ("after"-life), independent of an actual reward (UNLIKE his test subjects). This creates a problem, in that there is a real difference between his TEST subjects, and his general conclusion about ALL subjects(which is the extrapolation).... B.t.w, philosophy NOT religion.
mozo73 1 year ago
@MajorObvious Very reasonable. The problem of the intelligence gap still remains. And, the actual BEHAVIOR (in the end), is not the same, he outright says so. His extrapolation from his lab result seems flawed. Reasonable ?
mozo73 1 year ago
Jesus! Take a breath.
tabber87 1 year ago
1+ monkey didn't push the lever enough times
JennyFarlopez 1 year ago
Interesting conclusion, indeed. And likewise, it's fascinating to find how religions can be used as an incentive in this way.
SevenSixTwoNato 1 year ago
@SevenSixTwoNato What conclusion? He merely pointed out what we already knew. His suggestion that a belief system is nothing but a dopamine inducer is the usual oversimplification expected of men of his proffesion.
Asiablue 1 year ago
He speaks of the UNIQUENESS of human behavior and then jestingly does away with it . He does not address the very real gap in complexity as to WHY we humans are so very different than his test animals in our "hopeful" postponements with the production of dopamine.
mozo73 1 year ago
@mozo73 Yes, a kind of scientific double-speak.
Asiablue 1 year ago
@Asiablue Yes, right. He states that there is a unique human behavior, and then makes the unpardonable non-sequitur of an argument, that this unique behavior is the same as the behavior of his test subjects who do NOT share this unique behavior. This is a "social opinion" piece, not science or reason. Also, whole-heartedly agree with you about the unique 2%.
mozo73 1 year ago
I love how scientists can nowadays just casually make fun of religion during a lecture.
AapoJoki 1 year ago 77
@AapoJoki
Well religion isn't logical. It's like Greek Mythology.
-Former Theist.
The3nlightened0ne 1 year ago
@AapoJoki He's not making fun of Religion. Heck, he's paraphrasing faith-speak: "He's gone on to his reward." He's pointing out that we are so reward-focused that we can strive, and feel good about that striving (keeping the dopamine flowing) even when that payoff is abstract or invisible - i.e.: after death, wherein no one has yet come back to say: "It's true. I have pictures, an affadavit and a dinner menu! Keep the faith, your just reward is in the hereafter."
fouro 11 months ago
@AapoJoki To me, he is not making fun of religion here. He is saying this is what is different about humans as opposed to monkeys.
Creative4aReason 11 months ago
@AapoJoki LOL you mad your religion no longer has free license to suppress science?
skingbinsane 9 months ago
@skingbinsane When I said "I love", I was being sincere, not sarcastic.
AapoJoki 9 months ago
@AapoJoki My bad.... Sounded sarcastic for some reason.
skingbinsane 9 months ago
@AapoJoki: Have you checked out "Robert Sapolsky 1" and 2 by khiluen on here? Sapolsky is more respectful to people of faith and to how faith (an "attributional system") changes people. I have only heard it twice and not combed through it in detail, but I interpreted his tone as honest and HUMBLE that he does not understand the power of faith since he does not participate in it. Hope that is more balanced. (One example is 4:41 in part 2, about Francis Collins)
doubledoubletwnktwnk 8 months ago
@AapoJoki: Have you checked out "Robert Sapolsky 1" and 2 by khiluen on here? Sapolsky is more respectful to people of faith and to how faith (an "attributional system") changes people. I have only heard it twice and not combed through it in detail, but I interpreted his tone as honest and HUMBLE that he does not understand the power of faith since he does not participate in it. Hope that is more balanced. (One example is 4:41 in part 2, about Francis Collins.)
doubledoubletwnktwnk 8 months ago
@doubledoubletwnktwnk In the full video on Fora.TV he calls himself a "strident atheist". At any rate, being respectful to faith is not something I consider to be a virtue.
AapoJoki 8 months ago
Epic beard is epic.
Atheistprimate 1 year ago 3
Charlie Sheen
NewtonsStudent 1 year ago
Christianity: maybe I will get to go to heaven
Muslim: maybe I will get to screw 72 sluts
Therefore, religion is right.
SeeProfileForDetails 1 year ago
For the complete 1:16:08 talk, go to foradottv/2011/02/15/Robert_Sapolsky_Are_Humans_Just_Another_Primate. The other speakers are worth listening to, as well. Brain candy. Yum.
yeshuahfullofit 1 year ago
He goes a bit deeper on this at the end of this talk in the Q&A session. 'What Separates Us from Chimps:As It Turns Out, Not Much' watch?v=AzDLkPFjev4&feature=channel_video_title.
yeshuahfullofit 1 year ago
LOOK AT THAT BEARD
lionelubc 1 year ago
well yeah you try to hold back just one of my paychecks and you will get a rise of whole different kind...
iiirbob 1 year ago
I am enlightened.
pt2091 1 year ago
so is he saying the peak dopamine level is around a 50% reward success rate?
writofmandamus 1 year ago
@writofmandamus that is what i understand also.
iiirbob 1 year ago
haha gambling and casinos were the first thing I thought about when he talked about introducing the "maybe"
writofmandamus 1 year ago
@writofmandamus lotteries
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@writofmandamus stock market
SeeProfileForDetails 1 year ago
Wow, so this is why a socialist government doesn't work.
JimbobOMG 1 year ago
@JimbobOMG we'd be able to have a socialist society if there was no so such thing as greed. by ur comment, id think u probably r that
Chewie01100 1 year ago
@Chewie01100 So you have to consider then, greed is a factor.
JimbobOMG 1 year ago
@JimbobOMG
Socialism does work, that's why the Soviets outproduced every Allied nation in World War 2 and outproduced the Germans by a margin of 2-1 in war materiel.
Redfingers 1 year ago
@Redfingers I know right? What was I thinking. They did so good...
JimbobOMG 1 year ago
@Redfingers First of all where the fuck did you get those facts??? Second of all every allied nation outproduced the soviets by a LOT for half a century...
TheProgressistViewer 1 year ago
@TheProgressistViewer
The real question is where the fuck did you get this "fact"
"Second of all every allied nation outproduced the soviets by a LOT for half a century..."
??
The Soviets produced 105,000 AFVs in WW2 between 1939-45, whereas the USA produced 88,000 and Germany produced 47,000 and England produced 28,000. according to German Panzers in WWII by Chris Bishop on page 184.
Also many times more rifles and submachine guns than the United States
Redfingers 1 year ago
(1)Just by observing the differences in quality of life between western nations and commies. First of all the fact that they produced more tanks does not mean that they had a more productive economy, simply that they allocated a greater share of their ressources to building tanks, and to the war production effort, wich is easy to do when u have a totalitarian regime, as opposed to a democracy that has to convinced its ppl to pay taxes for the war effort.
TheProgressistViewer 1 year ago
@TheProgressistViewer The U.S. was founded as a Republic, Democracy is the illusion you have choice, its called Fascism. Lobbing = Bribes and payoffs, Gotta keep the military complex bombing 3rd world countries for "Democracy" and Freedom. Thats how we roll!!
ha38bb1 1 year ago
@ha38bb1 What u just wrote is utterly irrelevent to the point I was makin... me and the commie were arguing about productivity of the USSR vs USA, the point I was making is that the government of the US relies on support from its population, wich is why the USSR was able to allocate a bigger share of its ressources to the war effort
TheProgressistViewer 1 year ago
@TheProgressistViewer
If it is easier for a centrally planned economy to reach peak efficiency in one mode of production, it would follow that in an instance where that is the primary determinant of success (e.g. total war), the centrally planned economy will be more successful.
Looking at the production of military goods during total war for participating nations indicates which kinds of economies were most successful at meeting demand.
Redfingers 11 months ago
@Redfingers
Producing the largest variety and volume of gourmet mustards, in that regard, while an interesting value, does not directly contribute to the impending crisis brought on by an invasion.
GDP is an interesting statistic insofar as it determines total production. It is, however, not a complete indicator of the progress of a nation.
For instance, while production of military goods in wartime is a good thing, production of wartime goods in peacetime is wasted capital, yet increases GDP.
Redfingers 11 months ago
@Redfingers (2) if you compare gdp per capita, the USSR was never even remotly close to places like France, the US or the UK. You pinpoint the production of one single thing as a accurate mesure of a country's production capacity... laughable at best.
TheProgressistViewer 1 year ago
@TheProgressistViewer
Post-Lenin, the Soviets never attempted to maximize GDP per capita. They never even attempted to maximize industrial growth. Under Stalin, the Soviets attempted to maximize production of war materiel, and Stalin saw the way to do that through rapid industrialization. Industrialization was incidental to his objective, and that was at the cost of agricultural production, which was stripped and underfunded.
Wartime production in total war is a good metric...
Redfingers 11 months ago
@Redfingers Well that was exactly my point, they allocated a greater share of GDP to war production than western countries did, as I said and u just said, the number of tanks produced is not a good mesure of gdp, its like me saying that since america is outproducing Norway is cheeseburgers, therefore they are more productive, its nonsense. Besides they attempted to maximize industrial growth after WW2, and never even came close to the west.
TheProgressistViewer 11 months ago
Love is the release of dopamine in the brain. So should we not call Valentines Day - "Dope Day"?
lanceawatt 1 year ago
MONKEY MARTYR NOT GO TO HEAVEN FOR PULLIN' HOLY LEVER? MONKEY MARTYR DENY GOD EXIST. MONKEY MARTYR GO PARTY WITH CHARLIE SHEEN!
slowmopoke 1 year ago 36
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krstcmjns 1 year ago
@slowmopoke lol good point
frankenboston 10 months ago
This is really deep. It explains so much.
zebruh 1 year ago
very interesting
beta447 1 year ago
im going to hack my brain for dopamine rush!!
frvfilms 1 year ago
hey this guy was on Zeitgeist III
cyphi1 1 year ago 2
this is the first good video from Fora in months if not years
Jimmyjewels 1 year ago
this man is brilliant :)
Thastorcyclone 1 year ago
I wish the graph was in more detail. Does dopamine begin to decrease at the moment the animal begins working? Also if there is no signal, but only a reward that appears randomly, how do the trends associated with dopamine during the reward phase contrast between them?
phantomcreamer 1 year ago 2
@phantomcreamer looks like the decrease is before the work starts...the anticipation is slightly deadened by the realization that work must be performed to get the reward. Sadly enough - that's often my de-motivator.
cyphi1 1 year ago
third
mobataga 1 year ago
second!
carlosboo1 1 year ago
first
NudistInTheRye 1 year ago
@NudistInTheRye
wash my balls
migkillertwo 1 year ago
@migkillertwo ur just pissed I was here before you.
NudistInTheRye 1 year ago