This game is bias with the story. it has favoritism. especially with the main original universe. Hell they made obsolete models had the upper hand against insanely powerful gundams like Wing zero and God. Nobody survives a shot like that in the series, especially a zaku which is equally as weak as a leo & God (master martial artist) also didn't have the upper hand. And UC fans would just probably reason that's because Char's the Pilot w/c is irrelevant and impossible from a surprise TBR attack.
ok only one thing too say char would win cause he isnt a cocky little retard like heero who thinks that a moble suits abilities decide a battle if thats true then freedom the douging beamspammer would own wing which i dont think is true i beleave in what char says a ms abilities doesnt decide a battle its the pilot srry about the miss spelling peoples
@zetagundam888 one char is in a zaku heero would win even thought char is a better pilo char would not even be able to dodge the tbr. look at amuro in the early episode of gundam he only survive against char cuz his ms was better he was a noob at this point . in my opinion kira in the freedom would beat heero in the zero
It's not that Heero is cocky It’s more like he just doesn’t give a damn.
And Heero managed to stalemate against a Gundam while piloting 15 year old mass produced mobile suit in Endless Waltz, so I’m sure he doesn’t think that way.
Char's only problem is getting that Zaku to actually hurt Wing Zero. He can dance around all he wants, but it's a simple matter that his Zaku II, no matter how upgraded the gears or the skill of the pilot, has standard Zaku weapons. All Heero needs is one hit. Hell, remember the second episode of the original series? He was forced to retreat because he couldn't hurt the RX-78, where as that thing could one-shot him.
Lucky break, Yui. Doubt you'd last against the Hyaku Shiki, however..
I always thought the Hyaku Shiki was superior to the Mk 2, but inferior to the Zeta, since it was a test bed for Zeta's transformation. But what I meant was its' showings in Zeta was pretty underwhelming. Char didn't do bad with it, but what he did wasn't great either.
@portablemp5 Yazan got to the Hyaku Shiki because of help from his 2 lackeys. Buran got him because Char is less effective when fights involve Earth's gravity. And Char and Jerid never really had a specific 1 on 1 battle. And if they did, it probably lasted about 5 seconds then it was interrupted.
All of these are excuses, Char was paying attention to Yazan, not to mention that Kamille was watching his back. Char got hit because Yazan is awesome.
So just because Char sucks at Earth's gravity means the excuse is valid? Not to mention he has Kamille as back-up.
Kamille fired his Beam rifle twice and it all hit Jerid, which instantly defeated him. Char doing nothing to Jerid tells us nothing of his skills during Zeta.
Check my channel-comments section, I posted the specific battles.
what i dont understand is: how any mobile suit that isnt like domon's or master asia's can move like what char just did? could someone please explain, if there even is an explaination
This is why people are always fooled into thinking Heero is the best pilot ever because he has the best gundam ever. No. His Gundam may be best but it's like this. You take Heero out of his Gundam put Char or Amuro in it, and thats it. Your dividing by zero.
This scene from a game isn't really proof that Char is better than Heero(since a game is non-official after all), but if you think so, then in Gundam Dynasty Warriors 2, Milliardo was soloing both Char and Amuro, which means Miliardo is better than Char and Amuro.
It depends on the opinion actually, considering that Heero and Zechs have feats that are somewhat better than Amuro or Char's, like when Zechs surpassed Tallgeese, a mobile suit that has monster-like performance and was stated in the novel to have a 15G performance(Zechs says that Tallgeese is reacting too slow, then Howard said that Zechs was reacting too fast for Tallgeese to respond correctly) which was directly a nod to Amuro surpassing the Gundam in the original series.
@TeamStarsProduction Actually Turn A Gundam had the best Gundam ever, technically on paper. Heroe's buster rifle would most likely almost bounce off of it. xD
@Luminahawke Why is the whito doll the strongest? for certain its technology despite being dug up from a bloody mountain was aeons ahead of anything...just let me finish the series and ill comment further
@TeamStarsProduction There are better gundams than wing zero most of f90 up are equal or better than wing zero. F90 is considered equal by most f97 is just superior.
Char: Who the fuck do you think I am?! Some useless untrained mobile doll that you can just easily shoot! I'll chop that pretty mobile suit of yours to size before I kill you!!!
@masterkent1 a lots of people underrate Char but Char gas trainend him self with REAL expenrience without simulator and in the begin he was in the begin a pro + he use is old zaku that resist a lots of Gundams ,all other guys like Heero are using kinda brain wash or something like that to be good
Alternate universe, alternate rules. When when compared against each other, A red painted Zaku is practically a giant tin can when compared to a beam-armed device from a couple centuries down the timeline. But Gundam Musou is some kind of pocket-dimension-thing, and thus has no obligation to obey the rules.
Char is and forever will be the greatest Gundam character of all times, he was in Two full length series maybe three I never saw Double Zeta, she has shown up in 7 Gundam movies 1 original, he has made an appearence on MS Igloo EP1. He is cloned in nearly everything Gundam, and was even on StarFox 64 Sector Y level as a cameo as a red robot shows and Peppy referes to how quick it is.
It's his default outfit in the game. I guess the developers just thought the Zaku II would be fun to play around with in the original in game story line since you don't really get a chance to use it in original mode or whatever it's called.
@MilliardoPeacecraftX Yeah, but Zechs was able to take them on because Epyon was superior to both Nu Gundam and the Sazabi. Gundanium is the STRONGEST alloy out there. Universal Century does not have that kind of metal...only After Colony does.
I think the what so ever fan of heero which i wouldn't care about , but all i know is that char is only using a zaku with upgrades only and to give his zaku more speed but on the other hand heero a gundam with more armor that can stand up to any bomb or missile but char zaku does not have those but the way i see things i think char can have win him if he wants to do it anot
It's a game. In real depth, the Burning and Master can pretty much blitz anything in the Gundam Franchise, except maybe a full-power Turn A and turn X.
Char's Zaku is 30% faster than a normal Zaku, but in space you can accelerate(i.e. picking up speed) pretty much all the time, meaning whenever Char kick jumps a ship to gain better leverage and momentum, so that his Zaku is accelerating 3 times a normal Zaku's speed.
What machine qould move in a more human like manor, one controlled like the human body or one controlled with fighter jet like controls ?
COnsidering that the system feeds data directly into the pilots brain i fail to see why him fighting with his eyes closed is a big deal since he could still "see"
The ZERO systems give the pilot a physical and mental connection w/ the suit personally controlling it with his mind and body, Sally Po even commented that Heero was controlling WZ like his own body.
=i fail to see why him fighting with his eyes closed is a big deal since he could still "see"=
Yeah, like a newtype taking out 9 rickdoms with his eyes open and releasing Newtype rainbows from his forehead is a bigger deal. >_>
Seeing the future with such clarity is a big deal for me.
You're talking as though he couldn't actually see anything when his eyes were closed, which from what i know of the Zero System simply isn't the case. What i find to be a bigger deal is a mobile suit that can be made more powerful then it's designed parameters, controlled by the mind, and has a pilot that can predict the future, and has years of combat experience under his belt.
Also WZ gives the pilot an awareness of the future, but i havn't read anywhere they could mind control the suit.
1.psychoframe can only increase the output of the MS, personally making the psychic energy of the pilot an extra battery. This is the only advantage I see here.
2. ZERO can also be controlled by the mind AND Body(preferably the controls).
3. So can Wing Zero with the ZERO system.
4. So is Heero, he has 8 years experience under his belt.
Didn't I already give you evidence that ZERO CAN be controlled by the pilot's mind AND body?
So where's Sazabi's advantage now? I only see one.
1. Heero has 8 years experience, but most of which is trining. If we're going to count things besides actual combat lets take a look at Char's experiences shall we ?
Unknown amount of time in the Zeon Military Academy
One Year War Ace( MSG )
Unknown amount of time training Zeon pilots at Axis, and atleast two battles(Char's Deleted Affair)
Gryps Conflict (MSZG)
Second Neo Zeon War (CCA)
So we don't know exactly how long Char;s been at it, but he definently has more real combat exp then Heero
1. Actually, Heero was thrown in the battle field many times in Episode Zero, getting the Alias, Black Alpha. Will you stop making baseless speculation.
=So we don't know exactly how long Char;s been at it, but he definently has more real combat exp then Heero =
2. How about Epyon? It wasn't shown that Heero's using the controls that's for sure. Plus, the ZERO system can do both, controlling it manually and controlling it with your mind. If you don't want to use the ZERO system, then use the Manual controls.
Another advantage of Zero System is its ability to offer physical stimulus back to the pilot, allowing him to feel the strain that the MS is undergoing. This causes great physical and emotional stress on the pilot, BUT ALLOWS THE MS TO BECOME AN EXTENSION OF THE PILOT'S THOUGHTS AND MOVEMENTS.
You should read my whole post first before favoring Char.
That's why we were discussing Char, and the MS still counts, check my other comments, I actually made it clear.
That's a level that came from a game, hardly fact, heck in SRWZ, Quattro is actually a stronger newtype than both Camille and Amuro, which should be impossible. Char is just categorized as a weak Newtype, that's probably why he wasn't given the "Elmeth" to pilot.
Yeah!!! Go Jerid, that and Char is like a "Forrest Gump" of Newtypes, and I bet Jerid is a more powerful one. Although, pilot wise, Char would own Heero in a better MS, like the Sazabi.
Not really, Jerid is a non-newtype, and Sazabi can't own Wing Zero spec-wise. Char is a weak Newtype, Heck Char even complain that he had a headache when he tested the funnels, and asked Quess for any side-effects for using it.
Regardless of Char being a weak newtype, he's still a better pilot than Heero. Along with that, Jerid is a kinda newtype, he at the VERY least has potential. Considering he sensed the death of Lila, felt Scirocco's presence, and countless other examples!
Jerid wasn't a newtype YET during Operation Apollo and he kept up with Char, and when Jerid's Newtype abilities were starting to manifest during the last episodes, he died, he had the potential but it came out late.
Since Char is 19 years older than Heero, he has a lot of experience, but I doubt Char is "A lot" better than Heero, considering Heero beat Zechs in a duel. Even if Char fought w/ Sazabi, he'd still lose considering how Wing Zero out-techs Sazabi.
the Sazabi holds no actual advantage over the Zero, and it's only hope consists of the Pscyo Frame which as pointed out in the case of Nu requires so much shear human will to overload that Sazabi is likely not going to survive an encounter with Zero.
Wing Zero out techs a mobile suit controlled by thought alone, has more weapons, has a higher thruster output, is used by a newtype, and has better melee capability ? I hate to tell you but the only thing special about wing zero is TBR, and the Zero System and that dosn't give it nearly the advantage to keep up with Sazabi
Coming from like you? Hardly surprising. Sazabi is 71.2 Metric tons, it's Maximum accel. is at 1.87G. Thrust-to-weight ratio, PLEASE don't forget this again.
Char is a weak Newtype, Sazabi has a weaker melee capability than WZ(it did beat epyon).
The ZERO System, when used by Wu Fei destroyed 40 Virgo II Mobile Dolls(made of Gundanium) with his EYES CLOSED. It's a big advantage.
You seem to have forgotten that all of Wing Zero's weapons are made of Gundanium, Quality over Quantity dude.
Weaker Melee then Zero ? Are you kidding me ? Thats laughable. He can control Sazabi like his own body, and heero has to use a standard cockpit. and look at Sazabi's gargantuaun beam saber. How does wing stand a chance there. Also the minovsky particle weapons on Sazabi are damn near impossible to deflect with anything besides minovsky based defenses. ((In fact to the best of my memory it's never been done)). Zero systen tells what COULD happen, CHar's NT abilities tell what WILL happen
Dude, It's been shown that Wing0 uses a Linear cockpit, if you watched it I mean.
That's laughable, when Wing0 defeated Epyon which is a unit entirely based on close-combat? don't see anything laughable there.
Minovsky particles doesn't really increases the power of a beam weapon, since it IS the power of the beam weapon, and Sazabi doesn't really have a gargantuan beam saber, hell it got toasted by Nu's super beam saber, but I think you're talking about the Beam tomahawk.
ANd the beam tomahawk has a beam saber form thats blade is huge. A linear cockpit has a 360 degree screen, Alse the Zeros MAHQ page even says standard cockpit. Also since Sazabi never fought epyon mentioning that Zero beat it is quite irrelevant. ANd that dosn't ansewer the question of how one in a standard cockpit could beat a Psycho Frame Newtype use MS with an instant reaction time in melee combat
Check the Lineart of WZ's cockpit. the 0 system also gives an instantaneous reaction time in Melee combat, heck Wufei did that w/ his eyes closed, and even Sally Po stated that Heero can control WZ like his own body(I'm just going to watch it again to make sure).
And I know that Char isn't based for close-combat, heck in episode 40 and 41, he got the gelgoog's arm blown of twice in close combat. And in CCA? Char managed to keep up after going to close combat but lost.
I just watched a few episodes of Wing, and Zero has a standard cockpit. That lineart was pretty deceptive looking though, it was a nice try.
Do you really not see how somone who's suit uses standard controls would be at a disadvantage against a psycho frame ?
Quick question: If Gundamium weapons are so great how is the Tallgeese II's beam saber able to effectivly block Altrons beam trident ? It even blocked it with it's shield....Tallgeese II is made of titanium.....
I'm pretty curious of what those "few" episodes you've watched, since WZ didn't make his debut until ep 24, and I'm pretty sure you're only using the last ep as a reference(which suffered much close ups), I suggest ep 32, 35, 42
Well it stands to mention the WZ's cockpit looks like Linear cockpit and functions like one, but it isn't a linear cockpit, it was designed that way because of the ZERO system
Why didn't Zechs supercharge Epyon's beam saber when fighting WZ?(TBC)
I watched the last 40 through the ending, and it definently did not form a 360 degree monitor.
As for epyon, if you use the super long beam saber would have sliced libra, and his own forces to pieces, and not been practice against a mobile suit he would'nt have been able to perform a stab, and his swings would be more limited
I'm not really sure what disadvantages you are talking about since the ZERO system to an extent, can also do the same thing as the psychoframe.(except making the NT pilot's psychic energy into an extra energy supply for the suit)
Well, a Duel means a battle w/ matching weapons, Wufei(along w/ Heero and Zechs, also Treize) will do something crazy like weakening the power of their weapons to match the enemy's.
A non-Gundanium suit which uses Gundanium weapons are Quattre's Taurus and Tallgeese3.
Fine them, let me Explain the disadvantage. Char controls the mobile suit with his mind, allowing him to react at the speed of thoughts, when you pair that with Char's NT abilities No matter what system Heero has, no matter how good his reflexs are he will still react more slowly just because he has to use a standard cockpit. The second advantage Char's Sazabi would have a much greater range of movement because again he can control it like his body, whereas Heero has to use a standard cockpit
Another advantage of Zero System is its ability to offer physical stimulus back to the pilot, allowing him to feel the strain that the MS is undergoing. This causes great physical and emotional stress on the pilot, but "allows the MS to become an extension of the pilot's thoughts and movements."
What do you mean better range of movement? Where do you get the "standard cockpit=slower reflexes"?
The only time a Newtype can get a brief glimpse of the future is when a Newtype flash occurs, and that only happens RARELY for Char.
And as long as the ZERO system is active, it can predict any scenario that will occur as long as it's active, giving the pilot better precognition. It's also accurate in it's precognition as seen in ep 42 where Wufei defeated 40 mobile dolls W/ HIS EYES CLOSED.
Newtype powers are not only active during a newtype flash. Judging by how it's described in CDA i get the feeling its always active, describing it as veing able to feel the enemies attack before it's launched, and give them a prefect position to counter attack, and i'm willing to guess hes more powerful in 0093 then 0081
I'm just saying how it was described in CDA, since they keep ALOT about the nature of newtypes vague, although personally i like it that way, who can forget when they explained the Force in Star Wars Episode 1 (For those who don't know, the Force turned out to be bacteria in you're bloodstream to quote robot chicken)
I get the "standard cockpit=slower reflexes" from common sense. If one man has to use the sticks, buttons, and pedals. and another person can just use his mind, and control it with his body who will react faster, and be able to move their machine in a more human like manor ? It's really not that hard to figure out.
=I get the "standard cockpit=slower reflexes" from common sense=
more like baseless speculation.
=If one man has to use the sticks, buttons, and pedals. and another person can just use his mind, and control it with his body who will react faster, and be able to move their machine in a more human like manor?=
to respond to your question about the beam saber blocking the trident, the beam trident is just a cool version of the beam saber, it's really the same weapon only customized, as for the shield myabe its just think, i don't really know
Yeah i know they're the same weapon in a diffrent shape, but apperently a weapon made of Gundanium is superior. Also it probably wasn't thickness, that shield wasn't even damaged, hell as memory serves it only had a black singe, or maybe not even that
A huge beam saber would have a longer reach, and a larger blocking area, giving an obvious advantage in melee combat.
Also Char is actually a pretty good melee based pilot, however Amuro was a more powerful newtype, but since Heero isn't Amuro i fail to see the point in bringing that up.
Epyon may only be capable of melee combat, but it isn't really equipped particularly well for a melee MS, it only has a small shield, a beam saber, and a whip, it's not really any better then the WZ with two beam sabers, and a shield, and vulcans.
=Epyon may only be capable of melee combat, but it isn't really equipped particularly well for a melee MS=
So is this fact or your opinion? It only needs one Beam saber to be effective in melee, preferably because it's already fast as hell, and it's a pure Melee unit, why does it need Vulcans for?
And everything you noted are things it doesn't even need,
"Also the minovsky particle weapons on Sazabi are damn near impossible to deflect with anything besides minovsky based defenses."
Anything to base this on? It's a BEAM weapon and we're already given a power rating, and Gundanium is known to block most beams.
Actually the ZERO system computes SEVERAL possible outcomes the enemy/ies will do, and can choose the best course of action. Chars' a weak Newtype, hell he never even did any NT hax before he got the NT headphones and the Psychoframe.
I feel a lot of Bias coming from Zeon, especially when he's comparing MS that can't keep up w/ an MS that's comparable to the F91 but better weapons and armor.
And the fact that his explanation on the ZERO system is incomplete and isn't completely true. It's been shown that it can see the future, especially when ZERO predicted it's own destruction in Endless Waltz, and the fact that Wufei defeated 40 MD's w/ his EYES CLOSED w/ the system's help.
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This game is bias with the story. it has favoritism. especially with the main original universe. Hell they made obsolete models had the upper hand against insanely powerful gundams like Wing zero and God. Nobody survives a shot like that in the series, especially a zaku which is equally as weak as a leo & God (master martial artist) also didn't have the upper hand. And UC fans would just probably reason that's because Char's the Pilot w/c is irrelevant and impossible from a surprise TBR attack.
gluteusMAXlMUS 2 months ago
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gluteusMAXlMUS 2 months ago
Char GODDAMN aznable solos.
Problem? >:)
VoidOmega222 4 months ago
Trolled by a Zaku.
frostmourne1986 5 months ago 2
Trolled by a Zaku.
frostmourne1986 5 months ago
even the mighty zero system fails against red comet.
octoslut 5 months ago
@ChaosKeyBlade27 LOLOLOL!!! Good one!
Vert344 5 months ago
The Red Comet by a country mile.
DLAbaoaqu 5 months ago
How many flame wars will this create?
MegaKHlover 6 months ago
Haters gonna hate, Char is badass so he's my pick
naraic1020 7 months ago
omg heero zechs and domon should totally dominate all of them
XAznFiyaX 7 months ago
ok only one thing too say char would win cause he isnt a cocky little retard like heero who thinks that a moble suits abilities decide a battle if thats true then freedom the douging beamspammer would own wing which i dont think is true i beleave in what char says a ms abilities doesnt decide a battle its the pilot srry about the miss spelling peoples
zetagundam888 8 months ago
@zetagundam888 one char is in a zaku heero would win even thought char is a better pilo char would not even be able to dodge the tbr. look at amuro in the early episode of gundam he only survive against char cuz his ms was better he was a noob at this point . in my opinion kira in the freedom would beat heero in the zero
negima47 7 months ago
@zetagundam888
It's not that Heero is cocky It’s more like he just doesn’t give a damn.
And Heero managed to stalemate against a Gundam while piloting 15 year old mass produced mobile suit in Endless Waltz, so I’m sure he doesn’t think that way.
portablemp5 5 months ago
Heero would be my choice, but Char is awesome and looks badass in this scene.
MobianShoopIndustry 8 months ago
Heero will crush anyone! Why? CAUSE HES FIRING HIS LAZAR!!!!
ultimateshadow899 9 months ago
Heero Kick his ass!!! haha
Roaring2Thunder 1 year ago
zeches vs rau le cruset vs char vs graham
dynastyflygon 1 year ago 2
@dynastyflygon graham wins due to owning the most powerful gundam in the entire franchise. Turn X
melchCody 1 year ago
Go Go Comet KICK!
ReadyForTheRebel 1 year ago 2
Char kick!!!
austix1997 1 year ago
Char's only problem is getting that Zaku to actually hurt Wing Zero. He can dance around all he wants, but it's a simple matter that his Zaku II, no matter how upgraded the gears or the skill of the pilot, has standard Zaku weapons. All Heero needs is one hit. Hell, remember the second episode of the original series? He was forced to retreat because he couldn't hurt the RX-78, where as that thing could one-shot him.
Lucky break, Yui. Doubt you'd last against the Hyaku Shiki, however..
BlueDemonofFire 1 year ago
@BlueDemonofFire
Dude it's a game.-_-
Hell, in Gundam Musou 2, there is a Scenario where Zechs is soloing both Char and Amuro.
Hyaku Shiki was pretty underwhelming in its own series, really.
portablemp5 1 year ago
@portablemp5 Sure, it wasn't the biggest or strongest mech, but the Hyaku Shiki probably was superior to a Zaku II, at the very least.
BlueDemonofFire 1 year ago
@BlueDemonofFire
I always thought the Hyaku Shiki was superior to the Mk 2, but inferior to the Zeta, since it was a test bed for Zeta's transformation. But what I meant was its' showings in Zeta was pretty underwhelming. Char didn't do bad with it, but what he did wasn't great either.
portablemp5 1 year ago
@portablemp5 True, its one big shining moment, when he was fighting Haman, it got torn to shreds..
BlueDemonofFire 1 year ago
@portablemp5 Char lost in the Hyaku Shiki because he was ganged up on by both Haman and Scirocco.
ryumancer 11 months ago
@ryumancer
You also forgot Yazan violating the Hyaku shiki.
Being Asshimar punched by Buran even though Kamille was helping him.
And couldn't beat Jerid(who was defeated by Kamille in less than 2 moves).
I could name some a few more on how Char in Hyaku Shiki being underwhelming but you get my point.
portablemp5 11 months ago
@portablemp5 Yazan got to the Hyaku Shiki because of help from his 2 lackeys. Buran got him because Char is less effective when fights involve Earth's gravity. And Char and Jerid never really had a specific 1 on 1 battle. And if they did, it probably lasted about 5 seconds then it was interrupted.
ryumancer 11 months ago
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All of these are excuses, Char was paying attention to Yazan, not to mention that Kamille was watching his back. Char got hit because Yazan is awesome.
So just because Char sucks at Earth's gravity means the excuse is valid? Not to mention he has Kamille as back-up.
Kamille fired his Beam rifle twice and it all hit Jerid, which instantly defeated him. Char doing nothing to Jerid tells us nothing of his skills during Zeta.
Check my channel-comments section, I posted the specific battles.
portablemp5 11 months ago
From this we can determine one thing: Heero was camping.
Magbiy 1 year ago 54
@Magbiy oh shi- that sneaky bastard.
SilenceKyo 1 year ago
Char-Mother fucker you scratched my paint job with that squirt gun.
MrIronWar 1 year ago
Wait, how the fuck did Char survive a direct blast from the twin buster rifle?
ndalum75 1 year ago
@ndalum75 Because Heero has no skills.
EmaEiishi 1 year ago
@EmaEiishi DING DING DING DING! Thank you. A winner is you Ema.
TeamStarsProduction 1 year ago
@ndalum75 Char's Zaku II is 3x faster.
blind51de 1 year ago
GTFO Zaku denies your TBR.
KingLazerman 1 year ago
Heero the best Chara.!
CloneShift 1 year ago
@CloneShift You sir, is a dissapointment to Sunrise.
EmaEiishi 1 year ago
what i dont understand is: how any mobile suit that isnt like domon's or master asia's can move like what char just did? could someone please explain, if there even is an explaination
kittypetwarrior163 1 year ago
@WontonsVideos
It's called cancer.
Missmecha 1 year ago
This is why people are always fooled into thinking Heero is the best pilot ever because he has the best gundam ever. No. His Gundam may be best but it's like this. You take Heero out of his Gundam put Char or Amuro in it, and thats it. Your dividing by zero.
TeamStarsProduction 1 year ago
@TeamStarsProductio
This scene from a game isn't really proof that Char is better than Heero(since a game is non-official after all), but if you think so, then in Gundam Dynasty Warriors 2, Milliardo was soloing both Char and Amuro, which means Miliardo is better than Char and Amuro.
Missmecha 1 year ago
@Missmecha I know its not all canon but come on, Heero a better pilot than Amuro or Char? Nah. Never that.
TeamStarsProduction 1 year ago
@TeamStarsProduction
It depends on the opinion actually, considering that Heero and Zechs have feats that are somewhat better than Amuro or Char's, like when Zechs surpassed Tallgeese, a mobile suit that has monster-like performance and was stated in the novel to have a 15G performance(Zechs says that Tallgeese is reacting too slow, then Howard said that Zechs was reacting too fast for Tallgeese to respond correctly) which was directly a nod to Amuro surpassing the Gundam in the original series.
Missmecha 1 year ago
@TeamStarsProduction heero yuy is just depending on his twin bastard rifle and fortune telling system
left4deadian 1 year ago 2
@left4deadian lol. fortune telling.
devilhacker86 1 year ago
@TeamStarsProduction Actually Turn A Gundam had the best Gundam ever, technically on paper. Heroe's buster rifle would most likely almost bounce off of it. xD
Luminahawke 1 year ago
@Luminahawke Why is the whito doll the strongest? for certain its technology despite being dug up from a bloody mountain was aeons ahead of anything...just let me finish the series and ill comment further
jocinondemhaterzmen 1 year ago
@TeamStarsProduction "You only won because of Gundam's skills, Not your own!" - Ramba Ral (R.I.P)
PFCBlank 1 year ago 3
@TeamStarsProduction There are better gundams than wing zero most of f90 up are equal or better than wing zero. F90 is considered equal by most f97 is just superior.
Jizber 1 year ago
@TeamStarsProduction Heero kicked ass in grunt suits too in the series
EclipseDante 10 months ago
these mobile suits act waaaaay 2 human
TheSilentAssassin5 1 year ago
@TheSilentAssassin5 They got some of G gundams tech.
badarbiter 1 year ago
Heero needs to understand what exactly a Newtype is, and why you don't piss them off.
darklinkthe2nd 1 year ago
Heero: Target, Locked ::Fires::
Smoke Clears
Char: ::Rises up and attacks Heero::
Heero: ::Defends himself::
Char: Who the fuck do you think I am?! Some useless untrained mobile doll that you can just easily shoot! I'll chop that pretty mobile suit of yours to size before I kill you!!!
lilprincekilla 1 year ago 8
@lilprincekilla Heero replays like if u can bitch
piggykiller77 3 months ago
@piggykiller77
lol
lilprincekilla 3 months ago
this Char's voice reminds Durandal's from Gundam Seed Destiny...
Darkagma 1 year ago
@Darkagma Same voice actor. Remember Seed series was supposed be a parody of the First Gundam.
joarng 1 year ago
OH YEAH SHIT JUST GOT REAL! >=P
crosswire40 1 year ago
Char has the best zaku moves than whoever
DragonboltBlastter 1 year ago 3
@DragonboltBlastter yeah char kick
masterkent1 1 year ago
@masterkent1 a lots of people underrate Char but Char gas trainend him self with REAL expenrience without simulator and in the begin he was in the begin a pro + he use is old zaku that resist a lots of Gundams ,all other guys like Heero are using kinda brain wash or something like that to be good
DragonboltBlastter 1 year ago
damn I loved the part =D Char always seems to have way better moves in his old Zaku 2S than any other suit he used
Bonesdman 1 year ago
and i meant zero system is like Hondas Vtec technology :P
FPSsHaWN 1 year ago
Heero with zero suit will always win because its kinda like hondas vtec :P
FPSsHaWN 1 year ago
hey would a saer go rite through chars axe because chars axe is just heated to cut better
EliminatorXZ 1 year ago
Alternate universe, alternate rules. When when compared against each other, A red painted Zaku is practically a giant tin can when compared to a beam-armed device from a couple centuries down the timeline. But Gundam Musou is some kind of pocket-dimension-thing, and thus has no obligation to obey the rules.
Magbiy 1 year ago
HEZ A CHAR.
KingLazerman 1 year ago 3
i dont care that char is constantly pwned by amuro the kid that always passes out and mopes and never gets any sleep it seems. char is the red comet.
molokodude 1 year ago
lol he doesn't need a gundam to rape beat the crap out of Emo kid gundams that self destruct themselves all the time.
FunnyBunnyofDOOM 1 year ago
what please i think char the one that wouldn't stand a chance
greendragon08 1 year ago
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christlubas 2 years ago
Char is and forever will be the greatest Gundam character of all times, he was in Two full length series maybe three I never saw Double Zeta, she has shown up in 7 Gundam movies 1 original, he has made an appearence on MS Igloo EP1. He is cloned in nearly everything Gundam, and was even on StarFox 64 Sector Y level as a cameo as a red robot shows and Peppy referes to how quick it is.
Luminahawke 2 years ago
He wasnt in double zeta... sry... *Sad face*
Thetempestangel 2 years ago
Don't forget that Char was also shown in Futurama. ^_^
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
...Question, because I'm honestly just in the dark here. What episode was that?
AliveStorm93 1 year ago
@MilliardoPeacecraftX what ? really ? no way "!! omg !??!?
ipekatomang 1 year ago
@ipekatomang
I'm actually just talking about Zapp Brannigan from Futurama, because both he and Char do have vague similarities.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 1 year ago
@MilliardoPeacecraftX They are both skilled in the art of seduction and both drink chamPAGane
CranberryWilliams 1 year ago
Char, make my day. Rid that emo boy.
EmaEiishi 2 years ago 7
Wow. Char's zaku has a fighting stance
Samuraiedge2 2 years ago
Poor heero, doesn't stand a chance.
mattmanganon 2 years ago
He is dressed like Quatro but he is in his oldest MS Why?
DrIvoRobotnick 2 years ago
@DrIvoRobotnick
It's his default outfit in the game. I guess the developers just thought the Zaku II would be fun to play around with in the original in game story line since you don't really get a chance to use it in original mode or whatever it's called.
ZeonicL 2 years ago
I geus so it just seems odd cause in Amuro's story he uses the commander Gelgoog and dresses like he did in the one year war.
But Amuro is wearing what he did in Zeta.
Its so weird were they pulled them from from but I like the game a lot none the less
DrIvoRobotnick 2 years ago
Hea why was that worth a down vote?
DrIvoRobotnick 2 years ago
Heero, your getting punked by a guy in a Zaku...how embarassing
Babylauncher3000 2 years ago
@Babylauncher3000
And Zechs surprisingly solos Char and Amuro at the same time in the sequel Which contradicts this scene.
Fortunately, a game is non-canon.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago 23
@MilliardoPeacecraftX Yeah, but Zechs was able to take them on because Epyon was superior to both Nu Gundam and the Sazabi. Gundanium is the STRONGEST alloy out there. Universal Century does not have that kind of metal...only After Colony does.
ryumancer 11 months ago
@ryumancer
Gundanium also pretty much makes the Gundams from Wing all plot armor. So plot hax abound.
KaguyaRyuuji 11 months ago
Yeah... but that guy in a Zaku is Char. Hence it's less embarrassing.
Theearl444 2 years ago
Uh Its Char!
He could pull crazy crap like this in a One armed Nemo made out of wood.
DrIvoRobotnick 2 years ago
only a newtype can shoot down funnels
JSuelto1 2 years ago
Tell that to Garrod Ran. This guy isn't a Newtype but he takes Funnels down like Grunt cannon fodder.
And Jamil Naete, a newtype, never used his NT powers and he took them down just as easily.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago 4
plz, char's suit is like a Leo against Gundam zero!
lebronchuck 2 years ago
I meant Fin Funnels, seeing as it has it's own reactor.
Missmecha 2 years ago 3
I think the what so ever fan of heero which i wouldn't care about , but all i know is that char is only using a zaku with upgrades only and to give his zaku more speed but on the other hand heero a gundam with more armor that can stand up to any bomb or missile but char zaku does not have those but the way i see things i think char can have win him if he wants to do it anot
KohChian1 2 years ago
@KohChian1
It's a game. In real depth, the Burning and Master can pretty much blitz anything in the Gundam Franchise, except maybe a full-power Turn A and turn X.
Char's Zaku is 30% faster than a normal Zaku, but in space you can accelerate(i.e. picking up speed) pretty much all the time, meaning whenever Char kick jumps a ship to gain better leverage and momentum, so that his Zaku is accelerating 3 times a normal Zaku's speed.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
You forgot V2 man, according to one manual, it can approach the speed of light.
ZeonicL 2 years ago
@ZeonicL wrote:
=You forgot V2 man, according to one manual, it can approach the speed of light.=
Yeah sure, if we ignore thrust to weight ratio, it's base acceleration(w/o the WoL) is not very impressive.
To move at a speed of light you need to accelerate at 400,000 km/s, which Dolores from ZOE done it without a scratch.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
According to the MS Encyclopedia, the V Gundam novel and 1/60 HG model manual, it could accelerate near the speed of light with WOL active.
ZeonicL 2 years ago
What machine qould move in a more human like manor, one controlled like the human body or one controlled with fighter jet like controls ?
COnsidering that the system feeds data directly into the pilots brain i fail to see why him fighting with his eyes closed is a big deal since he could still "see"
ZeonicL 2 years ago
@ZeonicL
The ZERO systems give the pilot a physical and mental connection w/ the suit personally controlling it with his mind and body, Sally Po even commented that Heero was controlling WZ like his own body.
=i fail to see why him fighting with his eyes closed is a big deal since he could still "see"=
Yeah, like a newtype taking out 9 rickdoms with his eyes open and releasing Newtype rainbows from his forehead is a bigger deal. >_>
Seeing the future with such clarity is a big deal for me.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
You're talking as though he couldn't actually see anything when his eyes were closed, which from what i know of the Zero System simply isn't the case. What i find to be a bigger deal is a mobile suit that can be made more powerful then it's designed parameters, controlled by the mind, and has a pilot that can predict the future, and has years of combat experience under his belt.
Also WZ gives the pilot an awareness of the future, but i havn't read anywhere they could mind control the suit.
ZeonicL 2 years ago
@ZeonicL
1.psychoframe can only increase the output of the MS, personally making the psychic energy of the pilot an extra battery. This is the only advantage I see here.
2. ZERO can also be controlled by the mind AND Body(preferably the controls).
3. So can Wing Zero with the ZERO system.
4. So is Heero, he has 8 years experience under his belt.
Didn't I already give you evidence that ZERO CAN be controlled by the pilot's mind AND body?
So where's Sazabi's advantage now? I only see one.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
1. Heero has 8 years experience, but most of which is trining. If we're going to count things besides actual combat lets take a look at Char's experiences shall we ?
Unknown amount of time in the Zeon Military Academy
One Year War Ace( MSG )
Unknown amount of time training Zeon pilots at Axis, and atleast two battles(Char's Deleted Affair)
Gryps Conflict (MSZG)
Second Neo Zeon War (CCA)
So we don't know exactly how long Char;s been at it, but he definently has more real combat exp then Heero
ZeonicL 2 years ago
@ZeonicL
1. Actually, Heero was thrown in the battle field many times in Episode Zero, getting the Alias, Black Alpha. Will you stop making baseless speculation.
=So we don't know exactly how long Char;s been at it, but he definently has more real combat exp then Heero =
So it's all baseless specualtion to you.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago 3
2. Heero still has to use the fighter esqe controls, show me one instance he dosn't. Having to use these would slow his suit's response.
ZeonicL 2 years ago
@ZeonicL
2. How about Epyon? It wasn't shown that Heero's using the controls that's for sure. Plus, the ZERO system can do both, controlling it manually and controlling it with your mind. If you don't want to use the ZERO system, then use the Manual controls.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago 2
@ZeonicL
About the ZERO System:
Another advantage of Zero System is its ability to offer physical stimulus back to the pilot, allowing him to feel the strain that the MS is undergoing. This causes great physical and emotional stress on the pilot, BUT ALLOWS THE MS TO BECOME AN EXTENSION OF THE PILOT'S THOUGHTS AND MOVEMENTS.
You should read my whole post first before favoring Char.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago 3
char would pwn emo boy heero
JSuelto1 2 years ago
omg the only zaku in the city and heero finds it.kick his ass cha...i mean Quattro
SSrvegtito 2 years ago 2
Zaku FTW!
TekkaSage 2 years ago 2
I love video game balance. Makes Char even more badass because this new, superior Gundam can't just nuke him away XD !
EvilDoresh 2 years ago
beams sabres are supposed to coem from his shield!!!!!!
Theogrn 2 years ago
Its not the mobile suit that matters, its the pilot.
Char just happens to be a level 4 newtype
momochi989 2 years ago
That's why we were discussing Char, and the MS still counts, check my other comments, I actually made it clear.
That's a level that came from a game, hardly fact, heck in SRWZ, Quattro is actually a stronger newtype than both Camille and Amuro, which should be impossible. Char is just categorized as a weak Newtype, that's probably why he wasn't given the "Elmeth" to pilot.
portablemp5 2 years ago 6
The Red Comet would own Heero
KingGhidorah1950 2 years ago
Heero Would Kill Him
Phenomenalhardy 2 years ago 2
I doubt that, considering that Char can't even "own" Jerid(A non-newtype and weaker than Kamille) during Operation Apollo.
portablemp5 2 years ago
Yeah!!! Go Jerid, that and Char is like a "Forrest Gump" of Newtypes, and I bet Jerid is a more powerful one. Although, pilot wise, Char would own Heero in a better MS, like the Sazabi.
TheAstonishingJosh 2 years ago
Not really, Jerid is a non-newtype, and Sazabi can't own Wing Zero spec-wise. Char is a weak Newtype, Heck Char even complain that he had a headache when he tested the funnels, and asked Quess for any side-effects for using it.
portablemp5 2 years ago 2
Regardless of Char being a weak newtype, he's still a better pilot than Heero. Along with that, Jerid is a kinda newtype, he at the VERY least has potential. Considering he sensed the death of Lila, felt Scirocco's presence, and countless other examples!
TheAstonishingJosh 2 years ago
Jerid wasn't a newtype YET during Operation Apollo and he kept up with Char, and when Jerid's Newtype abilities were starting to manifest during the last episodes, he died, he had the potential but it came out late.
Since Char is 19 years older than Heero, he has a lot of experience, but I doubt Char is "A lot" better than Heero, considering Heero beat Zechs in a duel. Even if Char fought w/ Sazabi, he'd still lose considering how Wing Zero out-techs Sazabi.
portablemp5 2 years ago 3
no i don't care!
Char Aznable will always be the best pilot ever in the Gundam history!
Hall hail to the King Zeon!
KingGhidorah1950 2 years ago
Isn't that Amuro?
portablemp5 2 years ago
He's not even the best pilot in UC though is he?
VideoDarius 2 years ago
Touche, that and the whole "Zero System" thing.
TheAstonishingJosh 2 years ago
Hmm, does the WZ outtech the Sazabi? Mobile suit developement had been going on for years by that point, and the Sazabi is a very advanced suit.
If Char was in his Zaku like in this video he'd obviously have the much inferior suit, but there's years of tehc advancement between the two.
VideoDarius 2 years ago
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portablemp5 2 years ago 2
the Sazabi holds no actual advantage over the Zero, and it's only hope consists of the Pscyo Frame which as pointed out in the case of Nu requires so much shear human will to overload that Sazabi is likely not going to survive an encounter with Zero.
portablemp5 2 years ago 3
Wing Zero out techs a mobile suit controlled by thought alone, has more weapons, has a higher thruster output, is used by a newtype, and has better melee capability ? I hate to tell you but the only thing special about wing zero is TBR, and the Zero System and that dosn't give it nearly the advantage to keep up with Sazabi
ZeonicL 2 years ago
Coming from like you? Hardly surprising. Sazabi is 71.2 Metric tons, it's Maximum accel. is at 1.87G. Thrust-to-weight ratio, PLEASE don't forget this again.
Char is a weak Newtype, Sazabi has a weaker melee capability than WZ(it did beat epyon).
The ZERO System, when used by Wu Fei destroyed 40 Virgo II Mobile Dolls(made of Gundanium) with his EYES CLOSED. It's a big advantage.
You seem to have forgotten that all of Wing Zero's weapons are made of Gundanium, Quality over Quantity dude.
portablemp5 2 years ago 4
Weaker Melee then Zero ? Are you kidding me ? Thats laughable. He can control Sazabi like his own body, and heero has to use a standard cockpit. and look at Sazabi's gargantuaun beam saber. How does wing stand a chance there. Also the minovsky particle weapons on Sazabi are damn near impossible to deflect with anything besides minovsky based defenses. ((In fact to the best of my memory it's never been done)). Zero systen tells what COULD happen, CHar's NT abilities tell what WILL happen
ZeonicL 2 years ago
Dude, It's been shown that Wing0 uses a Linear cockpit, if you watched it I mean.
That's laughable, when Wing0 defeated Epyon which is a unit entirely based on close-combat? don't see anything laughable there.
Minovsky particles doesn't really increases the power of a beam weapon, since it IS the power of the beam weapon, and Sazabi doesn't really have a gargantuan beam saber, hell it got toasted by Nu's super beam saber, but I think you're talking about the Beam tomahawk.
portablemp5 2 years ago 2
ANd the beam tomahawk has a beam saber form thats blade is huge. A linear cockpit has a 360 degree screen, Alse the Zeros MAHQ page even says standard cockpit. Also since Sazabi never fought epyon mentioning that Zero beat it is quite irrelevant. ANd that dosn't ansewer the question of how one in a standard cockpit could beat a Psycho Frame Newtype use MS with an instant reaction time in melee combat
ZeonicL 2 years ago
So it's huge, your point?
Check the Lineart of WZ's cockpit. the 0 system also gives an instantaneous reaction time in Melee combat, heck Wufei did that w/ his eyes closed, and even Sally Po stated that Heero can control WZ like his own body(I'm just going to watch it again to make sure).
And I know that Char isn't based for close-combat, heck in episode 40 and 41, he got the gelgoog's arm blown of twice in close combat. And in CCA? Char managed to keep up after going to close combat but lost.
portablemp5 2 years ago
I just watched a few episodes of Wing, and Zero has a standard cockpit. That lineart was pretty deceptive looking though, it was a nice try.
Do you really not see how somone who's suit uses standard controls would be at a disadvantage against a psycho frame ?
Quick question: If Gundamium weapons are so great how is the Tallgeese II's beam saber able to effectivly block Altrons beam trident ? It even blocked it with it's shield....Tallgeese II is made of titanium.....
ZeonicL 2 years ago
I'm pretty curious of what those "few" episodes you've watched, since WZ didn't make his debut until ep 24, and I'm pretty sure you're only using the last ep as a reference(which suffered much close ups), I suggest ep 32, 35, 42
Well it stands to mention the WZ's cockpit looks like Linear cockpit and functions like one, but it isn't a linear cockpit, it was designed that way because of the ZERO system
Why didn't Zechs supercharge Epyon's beam saber when fighting WZ?(TBC)
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
I watched the last 40 through the ending, and it definently did not form a 360 degree monitor.
As for epyon, if you use the super long beam saber would have sliced libra, and his own forces to pieces, and not been practice against a mobile suit he would'nt have been able to perform a stab, and his swings would be more limited
ZeonicL 2 years ago
Whoops really bad grammer there, my bad, i meant Zechs would have sliced libra, and his own forces to shreds
ZeonicL 2 years ago
I'm not really sure what disadvantages you are talking about since the ZERO system to an extent, can also do the same thing as the psychoframe.(except making the NT pilot's psychic energy into an extra energy supply for the suit)
Well, a Duel means a battle w/ matching weapons, Wufei(along w/ Heero and Zechs, also Treize) will do something crazy like weakening the power of their weapons to match the enemy's.
A non-Gundanium suit which uses Gundanium weapons are Quattre's Taurus and Tallgeese3.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
Fine them, let me Explain the disadvantage. Char controls the mobile suit with his mind, allowing him to react at the speed of thoughts, when you pair that with Char's NT abilities No matter what system Heero has, no matter how good his reflexs are he will still react more slowly just because he has to use a standard cockpit. The second advantage Char's Sazabi would have a much greater range of movement because again he can control it like his body, whereas Heero has to use a standard cockpit
ZeonicL 2 years ago
Another advantage of Zero System is its ability to offer physical stimulus back to the pilot, allowing him to feel the strain that the MS is undergoing. This causes great physical and emotional stress on the pilot, but "allows the MS to become an extension of the pilot's thoughts and movements."
yes, I still don't see the advantage.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
What do you mean better range of movement? Where do you get the "standard cockpit=slower reflexes"?
The only time a Newtype can get a brief glimpse of the future is when a Newtype flash occurs, and that only happens RARELY for Char.
And as long as the ZERO system is active, it can predict any scenario that will occur as long as it's active, giving the pilot better precognition. It's also accurate in it's precognition as seen in ep 42 where Wufei defeated 40 mobile dolls W/ HIS EYES CLOSED.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
Newtype powers are not only active during a newtype flash. Judging by how it's described in CDA i get the feeling its always active, describing it as veing able to feel the enemies attack before it's launched, and give them a prefect position to counter attack, and i'm willing to guess hes more powerful in 0093 then 0081
ZeonicL 2 years ago
@ZeonicL
=Newtype powers are not only active during a newtype flash. Judging by how it's described in CDA i get the feeling its always active,=
By this explanation, Char shouldn't have been taken by surprise by Amuro, Haman, Scirocco and Jerrid.
By your logic, Char should have seen every scenario, which he didn't.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
I'm just saying how it was described in CDA, since they keep ALOT about the nature of newtypes vague, although personally i like it that way, who can forget when they explained the Force in Star Wars Episode 1 (For those who don't know, the Force turned out to be bacteria in you're bloodstream to quote robot chicken)
ZeonicL 2 years ago
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Missmecha 2 years ago
I get the "standard cockpit=slower reflexes" from common sense. If one man has to use the sticks, buttons, and pedals. and another person can just use his mind, and control it with his body who will react faster, and be able to move their machine in a more human like manor ? It's really not that hard to figure out.
ZeonicL 2 years ago
@ZeonicL wrote
=I get the "standard cockpit=slower reflexes" from common sense=
more like baseless speculation.
=If one man has to use the sticks, buttons, and pedals. and another person can just use his mind, and control it with his body who will react faster, and be able to move their machine in a more human like manor?=
The one with BOTH, The ZERO system.
=It's really not that hard to figure out.=
Your logic astounds me, UC Elitist.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago 2
to respond to your question about the beam saber blocking the trident, the beam trident is just a cool version of the beam saber, it's really the same weapon only customized, as for the shield myabe its just think, i don't really know
badcompanyreject 2 years ago
Yeah i know they're the same weapon in a diffrent shape, but apperently a weapon made of Gundanium is superior. Also it probably wasn't thickness, that shield wasn't even damaged, hell as memory serves it only had a black singe, or maybe not even that
ZeonicL 2 years ago
Beam saber strength is interchangeable, and it was made blatantly obvious in 08th MS team.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
i meant thick not think, my bad on the spelling
badcompanyreject 2 years ago
A huge beam saber would have a longer reach, and a larger blocking area, giving an obvious advantage in melee combat.
Also Char is actually a pretty good melee based pilot, however Amuro was a more powerful newtype, but since Heero isn't Amuro i fail to see the point in bringing that up.
ZeonicL 2 years ago
@ZeonicL
Speed and maneuverability are another obviously better advantage in melee. Which WZ can trump.
WZ is faster and lighter, you can say that WZ can slash faster than Sazabi.
=Char is actually a pretty good melee based pilot=
So is Heero, beating a Gundam that focuses in Melee(i.e Epyon) w/o using the ZERO system says he's better.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
You're entire assumption of using epyon as an example hinges on the idea that Milliardo is as good as or better then Char.
ZeonicL 2 years ago
@ZeonicL
=You're entire assumption of using epyon as an example hinges on the idea that Milliardo is as good as or better then Char.=
Zechs defeated a whole battalion of Mobile dolls with pure Melee alone, Zechs favors close combat over anything.
I would say that Zechs is better in Melee than Char, but Char being an all rounder, is more skilled, but not by much.
Plus, Epyon is a pure Melee unit, it focuses purely in Melee. Taking out in a Duel screams skill as it is.
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago
Epyon may only be capable of melee combat, but it isn't really equipped particularly well for a melee MS, it only has a small shield, a beam saber, and a whip, it's not really any better then the WZ with two beam sabers, and a shield, and vulcans.
ZeonicL 2 years ago
@ZeonicL
=Epyon may only be capable of melee combat, but it isn't really equipped particularly well for a melee MS=
So is this fact or your opinion? It only needs one Beam saber to be effective in melee, preferably because it's already fast as hell, and it's a pure Melee unit, why does it need Vulcans for?
And everything you noted are things it doesn't even need,
MilliardoPeacecraftX 2 years ago 3
@ZeonicL
Didn't Char say that the pilot makes the suit not the suit makes the pilot? Or something in those lines?
Though he did contradict himself there, he was defeated by Amuro while he was piloting Zeong, a superior MS than the Gundam.
Missmecha 2 years ago
"A superior mobile suit has it's limits my friend when it goes against the red comet"
And it's not really a contradiction, as much as i hate to admit it Amuro is the best.
ZeonicL 2 years ago
"Also the minovsky particle weapons on Sazabi are damn near impossible to deflect with anything besides minovsky based defenses."
Anything to base this on? It's a BEAM weapon and we're already given a power rating, and Gundanium is known to block most beams.
Actually the ZERO system computes SEVERAL possible outcomes the enemy/ies will do, and can choose the best course of action. Chars' a weak Newtype, hell he never even did any NT hax before he got the NT headphones and the Psychoframe.
portablemp5 2 years ago 2
I feel a lot of Bias coming from Zeon, especially when he's comparing MS that can't keep up w/ an MS that's comparable to the F91 but better weapons and armor.
And the fact that his explanation on the ZERO system is incomplete and isn't completely true. It's been shown that it can see the future, especially when ZERO predicted it's own destruction in Endless Waltz, and the fact that Wufei defeated 40 MD's w/ his EYES CLOSED w/ the system's help.