From the mountains of Epirus Dorian Makednoi (Macedonians) made their advance towards Macedonia, conquering the native tribes who latter gained new, Hellenistic culture and after that are politically organized into a powerful state
i guess u did great job in 1913...still i can figure why did in name of LIBERATION from turks u did depart macedonia in 3 parts with your ally? why departing thing which is already yours? now u got very good arheological materials in part wich u got in 1913 (departed 1), i agree
u guess wrong again, first of all we did not part Macedonia, Secondly it was from us that the Ottomans got it and we managed to liberate a part of it only. Third, how can a bulgarian like u have the audacity to speak about Macedonia? What gives u the right to ask for something that never was yours? Check all findings, they relate us and not you to the ancients. U even presented the burial mask of Agamemnon as yours, do u even know who Agamemnon was? Do u?
and guess one more thing, it does not matter who owns the land, it matters what the findings show. Turkey now has the coast of Asia Minor but the ruins attest their Greek identity.........got it? In your case u don't have any facts and any relation!
The lower part of Vardar is certainly the area south of Demir-Kapija gorge that entered Hellenic cultural sphere very early and already before 600 b.c. the material culture is thoroughly Hellenised.
The Valley of Vardar in Ist millennium b.c,Skopje,1982,pp.2
In a such great chronological distance in the life of ancient Pelagonia two stages are visible: development and existence in the frames of Hellenic culture and later the Roman one
We are not to be amazed that in the archaeological material of Pelagonia we have a rarely great wealth of reflections of all pronounced cultural events in the relations between middle-Danubian and Graeco-Aegean world
u spit on everything insulting us ,naming us bulgar or w/e ( but my paretns ,grandparents know what we are)
still, this forums are too small to debate, and i doubht that greece ppl ( with so much hate in them) will listen what im gona write here as u wont listen wold historians or w/e ( u read just yours literature and u dont want anything else )
we don not spit on you and we do not insult you. You insult us and u steal our history, u use a Greek regional name in order to make a mongrel state by stealing both bulgarian and Greek history. Oh yes, we know who u are, u are bulgarians who came to Macedonia when it was under Ottoman occupation.
We are not to be amazed that in the archaeological material of Pelagonia we have a rarely great wealth of reflections of all pronounced cultural events in the relations between middle-Danubian and Graeco-Aegean world
With the accession of Philip II, son of Amyntas II, in 359 BC, Macedonia came under the rule of a man powerful alike in body and in mind, an able general and an astute diplomatist, one, moreover, who started out with a clear perception of the end at which he must aim, the creation of a great national army and a nation-state, and worked consistently and untiringly throughout his reign of 23 years to gain that object. He welded the Macedonian tribes into a single nation (not mentioned greeks)
Philip II reformed the Macedonian kingdom and invited phiosophers and scholars from Athens. Until then it was an underdeveloped Greek kingdom but he managed to reform it. The Macedonian tribes were not a nation, the macedonian royal house and the elitic class were Greeks and Philip turned it into a fully Greek state. But i told u, you are still not related to any of them, you are Bulgarians that came 1000 years later, like it or not. A copied name does not make u Macedonians.
dude...dont sell me stories about states lol...i know how it goes, but this with macedonia its diferent here is bible enciklopedia ( not macedonian world 1 ) :
so dummb of u thinking that writing greeks letter gives u right to claim someone is greek too...lol
80% of this world now speaks and write english...
with this u are aproving just 1 thing...guess what?
and i guess u are proud u gona celebrate 20+ years of renaming NORTH GREECE into MACEDONIA region(1983) lol but i think u are little bit late with that hmmm...around 2000 years, before 1983 in greece name Macedonia and Macedonian wass prohibited... lol why?
u stupid retard, is taht what u understtod from the video? just the language? and what makes u macedonian u dumb fuck? the fact that u stole a name? as for english, the whole world speaks it cause England streched all over the planet, just like everyone spoke Greek cause Alexander spread it, your name is Vardarska. The fact that Tito changed it does not make u macedonian. Macedonia is a region not a nation, wake up bulgar.
i asked u 1 thing and u cant answer i guess cos u are missing 2000 years there and we are not missing that, BTW i didnt insulted u, so stop being retard and spit on everything, if u know answer on question what i asked u, u may answer or no.
are u blind? i replied both of your questions. Let me repeat, England conqured a big part of the world and spread its language, after that USA spread English throght movies and music. In ancient times there were no TV or cinema to spread a language. Every conquerer spread its language, Romans spread latin, Ottomans spread Turkish and Alexander spread Greek. That's why Greek became a universal language back then, due to Aleaxnder. Besides i do not speak only about language in my videos as u see.
as for the name, i also replied....watch all my comments. Northern Greece is not a substitute name for Macedonia and of course we did not name Nerthern Greece into Macedonia. Northern Greece is a a general term that is used to decribe all northern provinces including Macedonia just like in any country. Before 1983 Macedonia was still Macedonia and i even sent u a link to watch a video that clearly shows that the word Makedonia was never prohibited, so don't tell me this nonsense.
i replied all your questions, by the way, soryy about the insult must of you use foul language and i was biased. u got your answers though and mark that u have absolutely no historical evidence, u just used a Greek name.
and who told u that Macedonia was a substitute name for Northern Greece? are u retard? Macedonia is aprt of Northern Greece not an alternate name, just like New York is Northern USA. Who told u that before 1983 the name Macedonia was prohibited? That is the most stupid thing i've heard, the word Makedonia was always part of Greece. hahaha wake up dude! The name Makedonia not only it was not prohibited but it was always one of the most illustrious Greek names. wake up bulgar.
open an older Greek atlas? forr what reason boy? does the Atlas talk about history? Why don't u take a look at old Yugoslavian maps to see your true name? VARDARSKA! Do u think that because Tito changed your name in 1944 that your nationality changed too? Wake up dude, you are Slavs. By the way open a history book, except Pelagonia which was Greek in antiquity that's why it has many Greek toponyms, the rest of FYROM was part of PAEONIA.
watch this and see the video that shows the FYROMian myth about the fact that Macedonia was a prohibited name, enjoy the truth and realise that it is you who have no facts.
When u say Northern USA u mean Washington state, Illinois, New York state, Nort Carolina...... because simply these regions are in the northern part of USA, simple as that. The same happens in every country and in Greece. When u say NORTHERN GREECE u mean all the North Greek provinces (Epirus, Macedonia, Thrace), it is still like that today and it was not a substitute name for Macedonia. He who told u people that, must be really dumb. I was born before 1983 u know, besides you are still Slavs.
u are right my friend, the problem is that many of them know history but they deliberately distort history and create fake nations in order to use them for their imperialistic plans, u can see it i my other videos!
"It is said that there was a spring near the city of Xanthus in the province of Lycia, which at this moment overflowed and cast up from its depths a bronze tablet: this was inscribed with ancient characters which foretold tha the empire of the Persians would be destroyed by the Greeks. Alexander was encouraged by this prophecy and pressed on to clear the coast of Asia Minor as far as Cilicia and Phoenicia."
(Plutarch. 7.17)
No reason Alexander to be enouraged unless he was Greek himself.]
In this period, sixty-five years before the founding of Rome, Carthage was established by the Tyrian Elissa, by some authors called Dido. About this time also Caranus, a man of royal race, eleventh in descent from Hercules, set out from Argos and seized the kingship of Macedonia. From him Alexander the Great was descended in the seventeenth generation, and could boast that, on his mothers side, he was descended from Achilles, and, on his fathers side, from Hercules."
as see i know what Herodotus said and unlike u i don't speak in general and i don;t distort his words, i aslo give the exact citations for anyone to check. Understand this, i can read from the ancient text, u can't! Ur regime tries to translate false his saying but i don't need translation! Macedonia wa a Greek kingdom and their royal house was originally from Argos, that's why it was also called "Argidae", descendants of the ancient Greek, Caranus!
and one more things, before Filippo Greece was not unified and there were many city-states and kingdoms. The most advanced kingdoms evolved to city states, the rest remainied kingdoms and as i told u FYROM is not related to the ancients!
"Now that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks, as they themselves say, I myself chance to know" [Herodotus V, 22, 1 (Loeb, A.D. Godley)]
"But Alexander proving himself to be an Argive, he was judged to be a Greek; so he contended in the furlong race and ran a dead heat for the first place". [Herodotus V, 22, 2 (Loeb, A. D. Godley)]
From the mountains of Epirus Dorian Makednoi (Macedonians) made their advance towards Macedonia, conquering the native tribes who latter gained new, Hellenistic culture and after that are politically organized into a powerful state
The Art in Macedonia,Skopje,1984 pp.26
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
ΤΕΛΕΙΟ!!!!! ΜΠΡΑΒΟ αδερφε!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
drum206 2 years ago 3
i guess u did great job in 1913...still i can figure why did in name of LIBERATION from turks u did depart macedonia in 3 parts with your ally? why departing thing which is already yours? now u got very good arheological materials in part wich u got in 1913 (departed 1), i agree
zelezo777 2 years ago
u guess wrong again, first of all we did not part Macedonia, Secondly it was from us that the Ottomans got it and we managed to liberate a part of it only. Third, how can a bulgarian like u have the audacity to speak about Macedonia? What gives u the right to ask for something that never was yours? Check all findings, they relate us and not you to the ancients. U even presented the burial mask of Agamemnon as yours, do u even know who Agamemnon was? Do u?
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
and guess one more thing, it does not matter who owns the land, it matters what the findings show. Turkey now has the coast of Asia Minor but the ruins attest their Greek identity.........got it? In your case u don't have any facts and any relation!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
The lower part of Vardar is certainly the area south of Demir-Kapija gorge that entered Hellenic cultural sphere very early and already before 600 b.c. the material culture is thoroughly Hellenised.
The Valley of Vardar in Ist millennium b.c,Skopje,1982,pp.2
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
In a such great chronological distance in the life of ancient Pelagonia two stages are visible: development and existence in the frames of Hellenic culture and later the Roman one
Ibid.,pp.4
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
We are not to be amazed that in the archaeological material of Pelagonia we have a rarely great wealth of reflections of all pronounced cultural events in the relations between middle-Danubian and Graeco-Aegean world
Mikulcic,Ivan Pelagonija,Skopje,1966,pp.2
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
u spit on everything insulting us ,naming us bulgar or w/e ( but my paretns ,grandparents know what we are)
still, this forums are too small to debate, and i doubht that greece ppl ( with so much hate in them) will listen what im gona write here as u wont listen wold historians or w/e ( u read just yours literature and u dont want anything else )
zelezo777 2 years ago
we don not spit on you and we do not insult you. You insult us and u steal our history, u use a Greek regional name in order to make a mongrel state by stealing both bulgarian and Greek history. Oh yes, we know who u are, u are bulgarians who came to Macedonia when it was under Ottoman occupation.
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
We are not to be amazed that in the archaeological material of Pelagonia we have a rarely great wealth of reflections of all pronounced cultural events in the relations between middle-Danubian and Graeco-Aegean world
Mikulcic,Ivan Pelagonija,Skopje,1966,pp.2
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
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With the accession of Philip II, son of Amyntas II, in 359 BC, Macedonia came under the rule of a man powerful alike in body and in mind, an able general and an astute diplomatist, one, moreover, who started out with a clear perception of the end at which he must aim, the creation of a great national army and a nation-state, and worked consistently and untiringly throughout his reign of 23 years to gain that object. He welded the Macedonian tribes into a single nation (not mentioned greeks)
zelezo777 2 years ago
Philip II reformed the Macedonian kingdom and invited phiosophers and scholars from Athens. Until then it was an underdeveloped Greek kingdom but he managed to reform it. The Macedonian tribes were not a nation, the macedonian royal house and the elitic class were Greeks and Philip turned it into a fully Greek state. But i told u, you are still not related to any of them, you are Bulgarians that came 1000 years later, like it or not. A copied name does not make u Macedonians.
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
dude...dont sell me stories about states lol...i know how it goes, but this with macedonia its diferent here is bible enciklopedia ( not macedonian world 1 ) :
zelezo777 2 years ago
dude.... get real and don't give that crap, u are pure forgerers who copy history from Bulgaria and Greece. get real
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
re pio song exeis balei?
GreeceCombination 2 years ago
το ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΕ, σου αρέσει?
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
na sai kala ree si
me ts koloskopianous dn adexodai allo
GreeceCombination 2 years ago 2
einai vlakes!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
so dummb of u thinking that writing greeks letter gives u right to claim someone is greek too...lol
80% of this world now speaks and write english...
with this u are aproving just 1 thing...guess what?
and i guess u are proud u gona celebrate 20+ years of renaming NORTH GREECE into MACEDONIA region(1983) lol but i think u are little bit late with that hmmm...around 2000 years, before 1983 in greece name Macedonia and Macedonian wass prohibited... lol why?
zelezo777 2 years ago
u stupid retard, is taht what u understtod from the video? just the language? and what makes u macedonian u dumb fuck? the fact that u stole a name? as for english, the whole world speaks it cause England streched all over the planet, just like everyone spoke Greek cause Alexander spread it, your name is Vardarska. The fact that Tito changed it does not make u macedonian. Macedonia is a region not a nation, wake up bulgar.
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
i asked u 1 thing and u cant answer i guess cos u are missing 2000 years there and we are not missing that, BTW i didnt insulted u, so stop being retard and spit on everything, if u know answer on question what i asked u, u may answer or no.
zelezo777 2 years ago
are u blind? i replied both of your questions. Let me repeat, England conqured a big part of the world and spread its language, after that USA spread English throght movies and music. In ancient times there were no TV or cinema to spread a language. Every conquerer spread its language, Romans spread latin, Ottomans spread Turkish and Alexander spread Greek. That's why Greek became a universal language back then, due to Aleaxnder. Besides i do not speak only about language in my videos as u see.
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
as for the name, i also replied....watch all my comments. Northern Greece is not a substitute name for Macedonia and of course we did not name Nerthern Greece into Macedonia. Northern Greece is a a general term that is used to decribe all northern provinces including Macedonia just like in any country. Before 1983 Macedonia was still Macedonia and i even sent u a link to watch a video that clearly shows that the word Makedonia was never prohibited, so don't tell me this nonsense.
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
i replied all your questions, by the way, soryy about the insult must of you use foul language and i was biased. u got your answers though and mark that u have absolutely no historical evidence, u just used a Greek name.
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
and who told u that Macedonia was a substitute name for Northern Greece? are u retard? Macedonia is aprt of Northern Greece not an alternate name, just like New York is Northern USA. Who told u that before 1983 the name Macedonia was prohibited? That is the most stupid thing i've heard, the word Makedonia was always part of Greece. hahaha wake up dude! The name Makedonia not only it was not prohibited but it was always one of the most illustrious Greek names. wake up bulgar.
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
Open older greek athlas, not macedonian 1...open 1 world chart, or w/e and yes...wake up
zelezo777 2 years ago
open an older Greek atlas? forr what reason boy? does the Atlas talk about history? Why don't u take a look at old Yugoslavian maps to see your true name? VARDARSKA! Do u think that because Tito changed your name in 1944 that your nationality changed too? Wake up dude, you are Slavs. By the way open a history book, except Pelagonia which was Greek in antiquity that's why it has many Greek toponyms, the rest of FYROM was part of PAEONIA.
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
watch?v=nuNPNqMk_XE&feature=channel_page
watch this and see the video that shows the FYROMian myth about the fact that Macedonia was a prohibited name, enjoy the truth and realise that it is you who have no facts.
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
When u say Northern USA u mean Washington state, Illinois, New York state, Nort Carolina...... because simply these regions are in the northern part of USA, simple as that. The same happens in every country and in Greece. When u say NORTHERN GREECE u mean all the North Greek provinces (Epirus, Macedonia, Thrace), it is still like that today and it was not a substitute name for Macedonia. He who told u people that, must be really dumb. I was born before 1983 u know, besides you are still Slavs.
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
u are right my friend, the problem is that many of them know history but they deliberately distort history and create fake nations in order to use them for their imperialistic plans, u can see it i my other videos!
SPARTANsenator1 2 years ago
Ο ΣΤΡΑΤΟΣ ΤΟΥ ΜΕΓΑΛΟΥ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ
ΠΟΥ ΔΕΝ ΝΙΚΗΘΗΚΕ ΠΟΤΕ !!!
ApollwNotos 3 years ago 5
Good job Spartan, 5*****
MACEDONIA IS HELLENIC
sthlmdiabolo 3 years ago 5
Ω, ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΕ, ΣΤΡΑΤΗΛΑΤΗ ΣΥ, ΤΩΝ ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥ!!
maryoik 3 years ago 4
"It is said that there was a spring near the city of Xanthus in the province of Lycia, which at this moment overflowed and cast up from its depths a bronze tablet: this was inscribed with ancient characters which foretold tha the empire of the Persians would be destroyed by the Greeks. Alexander was encouraged by this prophecy and pressed on to clear the coast of Asia Minor as far as Cilicia and Phoenicia."
(Plutarch. 7.17)
No reason Alexander to be enouraged unless he was Greek himself.]
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago
In this period, sixty-five years before the founding of Rome, Carthage was established by the Tyrian Elissa, by some authors called Dido. About this time also Caranus, a man of royal race, eleventh in descent from Hercules, set out from Argos and seized the kingship of Macedonia. From him Alexander the Great was descended in the seventeenth generation, and could boast that, on his mothers side, he was descended from Achilles, and, on his fathers side, from Hercules."
Velleius Paterculus, Book I
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago
as see i know what Herodotus said and unlike u i don't speak in general and i don;t distort his words, i aslo give the exact citations for anyone to check. Understand this, i can read from the ancient text, u can't! Ur regime tries to translate false his saying but i don't need translation! Macedonia wa a Greek kingdom and their royal house was originally from Argos, that's why it was also called "Argidae", descendants of the ancient Greek, Caranus!
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago
Where the Hellenic city-states had failed, the culturally backward GREEK kingdom of Macedon came within an ace of success;
That the Macedonians and their kings did in fact speak a dialect of Greek and bore Greek names may be regarded nowadays as certain.
R. Malcolm Errington, A History of MacedoniaUniversity of California Press, February 1993,
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago
and one more things, before Filippo Greece was not unified and there were many city-states and kingdoms. The most advanced kingdoms evolved to city states, the rest remainied kingdoms and as i told u FYROM is not related to the ancients!
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago
"Now that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks, as they themselves say, I myself chance to know" [Herodotus V, 22, 1 (Loeb, A.D. Godley)]
"But Alexander proving himself to be an Argive, he was judged to be a Greek; so he contended in the furlong race and ran a dead heat for the first place". [Herodotus V, 22, 2 (Loeb, A. D. Godley)]
Here is what Herodotus say exactly!
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago
Very interesting video!
TheSilvaBuIlitt 3 years ago
because they use our name to steal our history and ask for our land, if someone did the same to u, would u accept that?
SPARTANsenator1 3 years ago
Full of PROOFS video.
Ancient Macedonia was indeed Greek tribe.
Fakedonians blow your heads.
byJessCh 3 years ago 3
★ ☆ VIVA Macedonia Greece ★ ☆
thanks for this awesome video,
a very good historical performance!!!!!
omasobawa 3 years ago
wraiooooos !
etsi makedonia mia k elliniki !
500000000******
this video is very good lesson for you Skopian !
PowerHellasMakedonia 3 years ago
apithanos eisai Spartan gia alli mia fora! Μακεδονία, μία και Ελληνική!!
maryoik 3 years ago
macedonia is only greek...ευγε φιλε σπαρταν
dionisosb 3 years ago
wraioooooooos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
orionasGR7 3 years ago
Nice upload !!!
OrthodoxSerbiacccc 3 years ago