Debate 911 all you want.....no one can deny what has happened to our once free country after 911.....lets see someone debunk the police and warmongering Nation State we have turned into after 911....any takers? I bet no one feels more free or more safe now.
Fact: 99.9% of structural or civil engineers (most qualified group on this planet to understand building design from the aspect of structural integrity) do not openly support the "truth" movement. How many do? 100? 200? That number is approaching statistical irrelevance, given that just the ASCE alone has 140,000 members
Newcomers to "truth" ask yourself this. Why do so few of the most qualified individuals (who do understand the science and math), support the controlled demlition theory?
@CCRider100 the majority of "smart people" once thought the earth was flat and was the center of the universe. The majority of smart people once believed in fairys, elves, and the like...... while the Wright Brothers were building the first air plane, professors were writing books about how it couldnt be done...even the majority of smart science people can be wrong about a great many things.....we have a name for it, its called science, that what makes it great.
as a pilot i believe that airliners crashed into the towers because the truthers have never made a slightly credible argument to date .if you have scholarly opinions based on hard science then they need to get their findings published in a reputable peer reviewed journal.otherwise they are merely blowing smoke for the consumption of excited illiterate overgrown children of the kind who mistake 007 spy thrillers for real world espionage.
33 outer columns were damaged out of 236 outer columns which comes out to 14%, count the columns yourself in any image or video that shows the holes.. NIST estimates that 6-8 core columns 7 out of 47 comes out to 15% leaving 85% of the core columns intact and undamaged.
impacts caused MINIMAL damage to EACH tower with NO EVIDENCE the FIRES PRESENT failed ANY of the 240 remaining FIREPROOFED columns on EACH impact floor.
Natural collapses are Chaotic events. You cannot have symmetry from chaos. For any building to fall symmetrically all supporting columns would have to fail simultaneously, otherwise undamaged columns would create resistance in the collapse and would cause the building to either stop collapsing, or fall to the path of least resistance causing a non-symmetrical collapse.
"Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the "official investigation" blessed by FEMA and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure"
fireengineering. com/articles/print/volume-155/issue-1/departments/editors-opinion/elling-out-the-investigation. html
The best way to destroy a 9-11 troofer is to let them talk. The foot will always end up in the mouth and some nonsense like hologram planes, reptilians or haarp will be mentioned.
If you can call Steven Jones and Richard Gage scientists then you must consider some of the creationists as real scientists
Seriously, Jones believes that you can make explosive thermite paint that can cut through steel columns and Gage believes that cardboard boxes are analogous to steel skyscrapers
and these are the people you consider scientists. Debunkers have thousands of engineers and a huge research paper describing in detail how the towers collapsed all you have are nut jobs
"avoid arguments they know they cant win" & "psychological tactics like repeated denial."
My friend, give me an argument i cant win. lets hear it. I deny nothing other than what i can factually discount. and the notion that debunkers are ALL ppl who sit online all day and debunk your theories because they dont have jobs, or the notion that the government would actually pay somebody to debunk theories in general is laughable. the govt commissions experts to provide theories, not debunk
I'm glad you covered this topic and shared it with the questioners. I've noticed a lot of trolls and bullies here on YouTube. This operation I dub "smoke and mirrors" has been going on since the beginning when they 1st tried to convince people 3 buildings collapsed due to fire. Any demolition expert can see these were demolished and will tell you as much.
@HostileNegotiator im a demolition expert AND i was in NYC on 9-11. in all my experience with military grade explosives and demolition, ive never seen a building that was demolished in a controlled fashion with incidiary or explosive devices done so that not a single, true "explosive" signature was evident. in CD, you need absolute, redundant, perfection, AND when it detonates, it makes a multitude of explosive sounds that can be heard miles away. not one explosive charge was heard on 9-11
I also see ALOT of evidence coming from original studies or anacdotes that do not imply an inside job. these "liars" must tell some "truth" and you guys seem to be the only ones that know whicth sentences in a paragraph are truth... since these are the sources from the cherry picking I can only assume you are all picking and choosing what you want to hear or you all have esp (which doesnt exist soooooo....)
all evidence provided is noticably cherry picked & taken out of context. all original sources of information are available and accessible. calling other theorists within your group crazy or paid-off because their theory differs. think about the logical implications of what your saying. "dont trust the anyone else they are paid-off, only I have the truth" think about what you accuse the brainwashed of and apply it to yourself, you will be surprised. 9/11 is accounted for and in the past, move on
For those who simply can't get it through your thick heads: shit happens without a grand design, that the only reason this looks suspicious is because you can't admit yourown lack of creativity, helplessness to be as prepared as you wish 24/7; you're just as ignorant as creationists—so fearful of theirown mortality, their inability to find their place in the world without a book to tell them the W's of their life.
@willdrake1 the truth movement has way more to do with standing up, uniting as a people and keeping the powers that be in check cause if we let em, they will flip the script so fast. we gotta remember its they who work for us, not the other way around.no matter what u believe any one can see the push towards oppresion and control. if u havent seen v for vendetta theres so much truth in that its insane. never let down ur guard, never stop questioning or thinking critically and objectively.
As long as the "Truth Movement" focuses on the b.s of 9/11 it will be seen at best, a joke; at worst, a retarded fringe group who has no idea what its talking about.
Yes, I know plenty about Allan Moore, who, along with Watchmen, never wanted this movie made, thought it was shit and totally misrepresented the ideas of his Graphic Novel; which I suggest you read if the movie is all you know.
The clowns wearing the V-masks don't know what they're doing—it just looks cool.
Respond to this video... dont make the assumption that everyone who believes in a creator, does so because the bible, or is a practicing christian or catholic. dont be so quick to point out peoples ignorance before ur own ideas are thuroughly thought through. unless u have hard evidence based facts as proof of gods non-existance, all ur really going on is faith my friend.
I don't need to prove the existence of God, the lack of evidence speaks for me; it is people who believe in God who need to scratch up some evidence in-order to maintain their belief outside any realm of fantasy or blind faith.
If two people entered a room and found nothing, the one who said someone must've lived here at one time—has to prove it; the other, going upon only what he can weigh and measure can easily suggest the opposite is more likely. His proof—the lack of proof.
Yes and I'll show you that after a hurricane Pin Needles split a tree to kill a cow.
Odd how shit happens isn't it.
You know if you shatter a window, really shatter it, there's a good chance you'll come up with something that looks like a perfect star or snowflake? Mmmmm, sinister I know.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA , AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!
WE THE PEOPLE OF THE REPUBLIC ARE THE RESISTANCE TO NWO DEMOCRACY THE ANSWER TO NWO DEMOCRACY IS 1776
For the people who simply don't know what they're talking about, getting information, often wrong, from others who don't know what they're talking about—once shown facts in a clear common sense fashion, realize their mistakes; For the others, nomatter how much data you show them, they will simply either choose to believe anyway or revamp their corner to fit their modified outlook.
How to really stop the 9/11 truth movement: give them facts. When presented with facts truthers usually scatter like cockroaches when you turn on a light at night
@TheBubbaZed No, its the so called debunkers that scatter, or change the subject, or just resort to name calling. The facts speak for themselves, and there is no way that the government's explanation of what happened could be possible. It denies physics.
Well, ten years past and nothing new to report. So keep hanging on to your asanine and paranoid delusions you dim-witted truthers. In the meantime, your government has commited other atrosities that you've completely missed.
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL OMG this goof ball is doing to Dr. Wood exactly what he's blaming others of doing to him ..LOLLLLLLLLLL OMG this dude is a piece of work LOLLLLLLL ...hey brainyack ...to buy into the thermite theory ...you have to believe molten metal....flowing POOLS of molten metal ..hahahaha pls explain why the jaws of that equipment did NOT melt when digging up the pools<<< look at your own video at 9:30 ....Lord I do hope you will answer
@914light for there to be fused or molten metal at the site is in itself is suspect. Where did the extra heat come from? They have shown huge blocks of metal fused together. You need more heat than jet fuel or office fires can generate in order to fuse steel together. So, i ask you, where did the extra heat come from?
edgemanll2 is one of the biggest shills on youtube I have ever seen. Some of his other accounts are edgemanll3, edgemanll4, and edgemon112, but I'm sure he's got many many more. Watch out for this person.
@kazoorocketman54 There are many who seek online presentations of 9/11 where public debate occurs for the sole purpose of attacking, name-calling, disrupting, etc (seriously, have you encountered a FRIENDLY, humble, non-aggressive, non-ego driven defender of the govt's version of 9/11 on the internet?) Be they typically combative RWers, or actual Agent Mikes, look at their YT channel: often no uploads, very few friends/subs, no real flavor (a few ill-fitted misdirects) yet they're all over 9/11.
@azar783402 You really have problems answering questions. Don't you? Let's add another one:
1. Why is there no outcry from the FDNY or any other organization in the world supporting your claim?
2. How is it possible that the FDNY accurately predicted the collapse of WTC 7?
3. What caused the internal collapse of WTC 5?
4. Ever interviewed all firefighters involved if they associate any explosive sound they heard that day with explosives? And even if one(!) did, what did his collegues say?
@azar783402 You really have problems answering questions. Don't you? Let's add another one:
1. Why is there no outcry from the FDNY or any other organization in the world supporting your claim?
2. How is it possible that the FDNY accurately predicted the collapse of WTC 7?
3. What caused the internal collapse of WTC 5?
4. Ever interviewed all firefighters involved if they associate any explosive sound they heard that day with explosives? And even if one(!) did, what did his collegues say?
@azar783402 You still have to explain why a substantial internal part of WTC5 fully collapsed. What was the cause? Just to be clear, it was a part that was NOT hit by debris and a part that had substantial fire damage. I say as FEMA, NIST and the FDNY do, that it was the fire. Consequentially, it can NOT be excluded that WTC7 collapsed due to fire alone.
Again, what caused this(!) part of WTC5 to collapse?
Still avoiding asnwering this simple factual question?
smoke became darker, indicating the fires were smothering for lack of oxygen."
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And this is the point where your argument goes wrong. Try again. But before you do, please confirm any opinion at a knowledgeable source. For instance the FDNY. You know, the same fire department that predicted that WTC 7 would collapse before the collapse. The scary part is that the FDNY was virtually spot on with the time it did collapse. How about that? You explain!
You claim that WTC7 could never collapse due to fire. If this is true than you have to explain why a substantial internal part of WTC5 fully collapsed. What was the cause? Just to be clear, it was a part that was NOT hit by debris and a part that had substantial fire damage. I say as FEMA, NIST and the FDNY do, that it was the fire. Consequentially, it can NOT be excluded that WTC7 collapsed due to fire alone.
Again, what caused this(!) part of WTC5 to collapse?
You have not addressed my argument and question of the fact:
The FDNY concluded a little over 3 hours prior to the collapse that WTC 7 would collapse. More so, they even predicted when this was going to happen. And they were almost spot on. The FDNY was also not surprised when it did collapse. Not a whisper of surprise from the FDNY in the months following.
"and why was there no mention of Building 7’s collapse in The 9/11 Commission Report?"
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Do you even know what the focus point of this commission was?
Their investigation was limited to, and focussed on, procedures and regulations - procedures and regulations! - in order to determine if the procedures and regulations were followed, failed, or were inadequate. Their primary mission was NOT to explain the collapse. They only mentioned WTC 1+2 because these were hit by terroists.
Really? Not according the FDNY. They concluded a little over 3 hours prior to the collapse that WTC 7 would collapse. More so, they even predicted when this was going to happen. And they were almost spot on. The FDNY was also not surprised when it did collapse. Not a whisper of surprise from the FDNY in the months following. Only lay persons not present at the site were baffled by the collapse many moons after 9/11.
When you claim there was a controlled demolition it means it was controlled.
Where is the control?
All testimonies you can list that used the word "explosion" were incidental, at random places and at random times. The only fact they do have in common is that virtually all of them were reported from places were the most vicious fires were going on.
There were countless explosive sounds during that day. They also have been recorded on many video and audio equipment. But people call every sudden displacement of gas, a loud bang, an explosive. This does not imply that this was caused by explosives. It only means there was an event that created a sudden displacement of gasses, most likely air. And fire itself is such an event that can do that.
"...resembling the pyroclastic flows of volcanoes. ... were ejected at regular intervals below the huge mushrooming clouds of dust"
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Ever heard of gypsum?
Also, do you realise these towers were 400 meters high.
Not to mention the fact that you have not the foggiest idea of what you just claimed yourself. What is your hypothesis? What was controlled? How? With what? And, again, how? Any verified plausible hypothesis?
Just shouting CONTROLLED DEMOLITION is not an argument.
Some truthers claim that AA77 did not crash into the Pentagon. You must not be one of them because there is overwhelming evidence it did. AA77 was tracked by civilian traffic controller radar. Lost from rader at the position of the Pentagon. All passenger remains were found inside the Pentagon and DNA identified (except 1). All Debris, not being Pentagon debris, is 100% consistent with AA77 debris. The black box was found and investigated by experts. These experts reported no inconsistencies.
@wimahlers BULLSHIT! A 757 or 767 cannot pull 1.62g's without structural failure. There are inconsistancies in the flight data recorder and the data provided by the NTSB, FEMA and NORAD. That information is in the 911 commission report. Bob Pugh has a video on the pentagon, he was there with a video camera. There is no clear evidence a commercial airliner hit the pentagon. Peddle your bullshit elsewhere idiot.
"BULLSHIT! A 757 or 767 cannot pull 1.62g's without structural failure. There are inconsistancies in the flight data recorder and the data provided by the NTSB, FEMA and NORAD."
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Wow, wow and wow!
Of course! Now I see. I am so glad that your genius insight opened my eyes. What was I thinking.
But there are some tiny little problems with your brilliant analysis that you still have to resoive and explain. Like Boeing does not agree with you. Convince them first.
@wimahlers Ever heard of a VMO/MMO limitation fact sheet? Boeing publishes it. Boeing agrees with my statement. 320 knots at 700 feet is the speed at which, if exceeded, aerodynamic stability and control become increasingly difficult. That is a fact, not conjecture. Wind tunnel data and computer simulation prove exactly that. Ever try a flight simulator? Try pushing a 767 past 300 knots at 700 feet. See what happens.
"Ever heard of a VMO/MMO limitation fact sheet? Boeing publishes it.700 feet is the speed at which, if exceeded, aerodynamic stability and control become increasingly difficult. "
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Increasingly difficult/dangerous/not recommended? Where does it say impossible?
Again, Boeing does NOT agree with you. Disagree? Then show me the explicit Boeing press comunication where Boeing objected to the accepted conclusion that AA77 crashed into the Pentagon.
@wimahlers Boeing 767 MMO/VMO limitation fact sheet. Google it. The data provided by the NTSB, FEMA, NORAD and radar ground stations indicate that the objects that hit the two towers were travelling at 420 and 510 knots. That can be found in the 911 commission report and FEMA's report on 911.
@wimahlers explain berry jennings interview and all the inconsistencies that the, powers that be, tried to feed us concerning tower 7.that more than anything else is what really made me question our leaders.
How about Berry Jennings. The same Berry Jennings who passionately complained at Dylan Avary that what he said was misinterpreted by Dylan Avary? That Berry Jennings? What about him?
If Gage and Jones, as you claim, follow the scientific method than why have they never done a REPRESENTATIVE experiment using thermite to CONTROL demolish a SIMILAR construction producing SIMILAR results. Explain why in the past 10 years they have never set up such an experiment or found and demolished a squat building to demonstrate what they claimed has happened?
Explain why no substance or item at ground zero was ever identified or even suspected to be from an incendiary or explosive.
Show me how thermite can create "pools of molten steel". But maybe you don't claim that. Maybe you only claim "pools of molten metal". Then explain why this is so unnatural with a disaster this size. Why is it impossible, given the abundance of chemicals, gas lines, trapped heat, etc.for fires to sponteneously start during the cleanup?
Explain why the FDNY "pulled" out of WTC 7 because they concluded the collapse of WTC 7 was imminent.
Accusing debunkers of sterotyping by stereotyping debunkers?
How ironic.
I am a scientific skeptic. And following the scientific method you must prove your own claim or argument.
One of the arguments is that thermite was used. If this is your claim than show me how. And explain, at the same time, the substantial internal collapse of WTC 5. This is important because WTC 5 PROVES that you can have a fire induced collapse only. ... unless you claim WTC 5 was rigged with explosives too!
scott ,much of this is about science ,physics ,metalurgy ,thermodynamics etc ..there have been several 'PEER REVIEWED " papers on this subject which have been published in various scientific journals ..please review the meaning of "peer reviewed " as opposed to some guy (even some guy with a phd) who has an OPINION based apon an "argument from ignorance " ..note a PHD in mathmatics or chemistry does not qualify one to hold forth on fire science ,physics or demolition /explosives ..right?
Notice he embarks on the same tactics he accuses the truthers of (refusing debate personal attacks etc) speaks eloquently about the originators Lippman Goebells etc and fails to address the absurd notion of 130 tons of alum ribs and skin cutting 4100 tons of steel and concrete. Orig poster of this vid blocked me as did his cronies-this is psyops all the way designed to lead you back to the original lie that Muslims flew aircraft into buildings and steer u away from truth about the towers demise
@izzysykopth Agree. This video is confusing, doing exactly what it accuses. It shows images in contradiction of what it affirms. It creates its own stereotypes to use on the opposite direction it shows itself as intending to.
B-E -- C-A-R-E-F-U-L-L ! ! this is a high technology desinformation technique
@Reasonable99pct Nice observation. Ive been schooled on how to spot these tactics by former _ _ _. That combined with 2 years studying psychology and not much gets by me. You can certainly see the advanced techniques used here.
I agree with everything in this video except with the statement the Jews didn't do 911 and that is just a conspiracy.....And the answer is that normal Jews did NOT do 911 BUT Zionist Jews in the US government along side Israel and the Mossad DID do 911.....or are at least responsible for allowing it to happen and rigging the buildings with explosives to make the attacks 10 times worse, and therefore garnering American support for the illegal criminal wars fought for Israel by the US.
so ok then ..what are the REAL truther theorys that the luny fringe truthers havent yet brought forth ? harrasment and name calling ? ..lol ,its common for truthers resort to such personal insults almost instantly whenever they get slightly knocked off kilter .
so ,after ten years ..what then is the very best,most compelling , truther theory that still stands up to rational scrutiny ?
@woodenmajor OKAY. where are the experts at that can watch a 911 truth video and break it down. u dont see em cause they cant. u wanna say rational scrutiny. well by all means im all ears. show me where the truthers facts arent really facts cause if ur argument is solid then ill definitely concede. the one thing im not is a cheer leader. ill listen to facts on whatever side they originate from.
"where are the experts at that can watch a 911 truth video and break it down. u dont see em cause they cant."
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Good point! ... not!
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That is like claiming:
where are the experts at that can watch a creationists video and break it down. u dont see em cause they cant.
It is a strawman argument because a scientist does science. A scientist does NOT run around reacting on every youtube vid that is made. They don't even do that when they agree. Like: watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc
Very concise summary of the uphill battle we face in the 911 Truth movement...a bit of mention of Cass Sunstein and cognitive infiltration would be an interesting adjunct, but possibly not on topic for this film...impressive use of 10 minutes!
By spreading the truth about 9/11 all you do is hasten your own eventual overthrow and enslavement. You've already lost; all you can hope for now is to slow it down!!!
Check and mate!
Please go back to being sheep for your own safety. WW3 has been being planned for over a 100 years now. And the real magic in the strategy wasn't 9/11 at all, it was when the media "flips sides" and starts supporting the "truthers", you see how that works...?
The 9/11 inside job was never meant to be kept a secrect in the first place!
This is what's called a "political time bomb"!!!
It's a booby trap!
When the public FINALY accepts that 9/11 was an inside job, their response will be perfectly PREDICTABLE: cry for justice and demand blood.
This couldn't play more perfectly into the hands of those planning and fomenting a final showdown in the middle east for sovereign power over the world.
Each one should take time to make their own personal analysis. if there are unconvincing facts -fast removal of debris, videos were confiscated around the Pentagon, WTC7 pulled perfectly in a few hours while "on fire"- there shouldn't be any confrontation among people. There's were 3000 deaths. The investigation of the biggest crime in history should be Continous. Independent. Public. With a high budget. We lose nothing, but we may get closer to more convincing explanations, whatever they are.
"How to Destroy the 9/11 Truth Movement" simple, let em talk! conspiracy theorist destroy their own arguements by asserting absolute knowledge without presenting evidence, it doesnt take a 9-11 truther counter movement from the govenment make these nutters appear nutty, they do the job themselves!
This political regime is diseased past the point of toleration! To think that these SATANIST'S could espouse the sanctity of God in the divinity of there "just" cause all the while knowing the whole of the event was staged ....to continue the charade regardless of the sheer monstrosity, the moral repugnance of the initializing act suggest's nothing less then satanism. To use this to kill in excess of 1,000,000.00 Iraqi's for an act THEY COMMITTED ....suffice to say FUCK U.S.A.
The collapse of 7 World Trade Center is remarkable because it was the first known instance of a tall building collapsing primarily as a result of uncontrolled fires-wiki
@mickymacky02 yeah there are hundreds, they confiscated all of them...... hmmmmm that its self is enough for me to be questioning what really hit the pentagon, then 5 years later they give us a 5 frame video that doesn't show anything..... if it was a plane why not just show it????? because it's not wake up
I'll tell u brainless government believers what's a conspericy nut, a conspericy nut is someone who believes that on 9/11 19 angry Muslims with box cutters hijacked 4 airliners,magically slipping by a billion dollar defence system,in the air for a hour,then hitting 75% of their targets.oh bye the way the pentagon is the most secured building on earth! After 9/11 some hijackers were alive, one was interviewed! Then min's after the attack the u.s knew who did it. 9/11 was a inside job idiots!
Cool story bro. Debunkers know that Conspiracy theories are bullshit. And they can prove it unlike the shitty made up theories you people thrust out of your ass. You people make me sick
Come on mate. Have a look at the thread on the usmessageboard site if you don't believe me. Do a search for "Flight 93 never crashed Shanksville."
As for Mike Walter and steady cams, I don't know. That's hardly the meat & potatoes of September Clues.
How come you feel like you're on a mission to defend the official 9/11 story? And everybody's lying who doesn't buy it? What's wiith all the hostility?
These are plane parts, hence, they found the plane. Your forum cannot explain physical evidence like this away.
September Clues didn't even mention these photos, yet charges United 93 wasn't found, I WOULD call that "meat & potatoes", as it means they were wrong, again, I might add.
Yeah, well, you're apparently not very bright there, Al. The chain of surmise actually works in the other direction. Once we've established that there isn't a plane we can say with some certainty that the photos and/or pieces of evidence are fake/planted. See, cuz it's not possible to make the big plane disappear, whereas it's perfectly easy to tell somebody this or that picture came from the crash site.
As with anything 9/11, it becomes necessary at some point to start intoducing "evidence" from entirely different incidents. Since you can't explain where the plane is (it's not there, of course), you show me a photograph and say, "Here, look at this. This was some equally freaky thing that happened, um, somewhere. And so you see, weird things happen all the time." And what's cool about 9/11 is you have to do that for everything that happened that day. It's all just so freaky.
Right, planes turn to shreds, buildings turn to dust. That's just the way the world is.
Except that it's not. It's utter nonsense that you repeat and repeat. So what it comes down to is whether pepole are willing to listen to you and your Alice and Wonderland tales about all this disappearing stuff, or they'll go do some searches and see what downed planes and wrecked buildings actually look like. Or even just use their own brains. That's what the whole thing is about.
Except that it is. Aircraft running into buildings is rare enough, airliners which are partially computer controlled, doubly so.
Airplanes are flying Aluminum cans, if they run into something at 400+ miles per hour, this is what happens:
/watch?v=--_RGM4Abv8
Most accidents occur while the plane is trying land or take off, and isn't moving at cruise velocity, which 400 mph is. In those instances, much of the plane will survive, but were not talking about that, are we?
It's a simple statement, the faster a plane moves, the more kinetic energy it has. The more kinetic energy it has, the more energy that will be released in the moment of impact.
And the more energy that is released, the lesser the likely hood that the plane will remain intact. The plane's body has a given tensile strength, it can only absorb so much before it shatters, just like that F-4.
Physics supports this statement, this is not fantasy, this is observed and recorded reality.
Oh, so it's just a flying aluminum can. Ok. So there's no way it would hurt a building then.
I've been on this merry-go-round many times, my friend, and you're a very low-grade operator. That's about all the time I think you deserve. Take it easy.
It can hurt it, certainly, but it's not coming out of it intact.
When you shoot someone with a bullet, the bullet will more than likely be deformed, and although shaped like a bullet, a plane is not nearly as dense.
And I don't care how many times you've been on this "merry-go-round", you're trying rather hard to deny over 80 years of Aviation precedent, precedent I had to study to earn my degree IN Aviation.
We've been in my ball park the entire time, you're just naive.
@alaskaslim look who it is on another site talking same way to everyone u were to me on other page. The debunkers he describes on this video is u!!! No wonder u weren't answering with any sense or relative to my comment ure to busy on all these sites
Uncompromising means you have finally rid your mind of the assumptions that were planted from the very start -- most significantly that there were passenger planes involved. Not much time should convince you that this was not true in the case of Shanksville and the Pentagon. Why then is it such a stretch to imagine that planes were not involved at the WTC either? Why complicate an operation with so many more variables? If you were planning it, would you have used actual planes?
There are infinite levels of disinformation. "I know you know I know you know ..." To be a student of 9/11 or "conspiracy theory" generally is to accept that nothing and no one can be taken at face value. In this video you in fact employ the same kind of blanket dismissal as those you accuse -- "obvious nonsense, not going to discuss it, will delete your comments" -- and it shows that you haven't quite moved on to the level where you can truly evaluate information in an uncompromising light.
The NTSB would not lie, nor would the American Society of Civil Engineers, or the witnesses, or the EVIDENCE for that matter.
Your approach is the absent of common sense, stating that the absence of proof for your side is only proof the conspiracy worked 100%, and nothing remains which points out their guilt.
Don't really get what you're saying. NTSB is a federal government agency. I'd think they'd have a hard time not lying about anything. And my "approach" is a little difficult to outline in 500 characters. The point as it relates to this video is you can't accept or dismiss things just because this guy or that guy said something. The "proof" of conspiracy in 9/11 is a preponderance of evidence, and the powers that be spend a lot of resources in muddying that water.
The ASCE however is not, and has freely criticized the Government when they felt they were at fault, for example, Katrina.
And it was they, not the NTSB, who did the Pentagon Performance report.
Furthermore, there are hundreds of other organizations just like them, professional trade fraternities societies, and Unions, NONE of whom have found something amiss about 9/11.
The Truth Movement's cases are considered so intellectually bankrupt, they had to form their own groups.
Once you've studied conspiracy theory for a couple of years you understand quite clearly what kind of forces you are up against and why people crying foul over 9/11 are gainsayed and stonewalled so universally in the popular media. That control has a force multiplier effect, in that you can then appeal to all that noise as an authority to deny without having to refute anything someone might say in scepticism of the official account. The account is official, after all.
Studying conspiracy theories does not VALIDATE them!
How the hell would studying the FLAT EARTH THEORY suddenly make it true? Or the Moon Landing theorists? Or the Area-51 stalkers?
Studying FANTASY, doesn't make it REAL, learn how to distinguish reality from your musings!
There's words to be said of what looks good, or in your case BAD on paper, doesn't actually work in real life. In real life, the CIA has failed, COUNTLESS times, not by any design, but merely because they CAN be blindsided.
I absolutely agree with you. The mere act of looking won't make anything true or not. I completely disagree though that people like truthers are dealing in fantasies. The fantasy is quite indisputably the ridiculous stories put forth by the government. They're like the lies you got from your parents when you caught them having sex. "Mommy had a headache." Magic bullets, tin foil lunar landers, buildings that evaporate. Eventually you "grow up," as you say.
Remote Control Airliners, Super thermite, Airliners carrying missiles, cruise missiles over 140 feet long (Tomahawks aren't even 9), A-3s carrying missiles it wasn't designed to and made to look like an airliner,
And perhaps worst of all, the Pentagon having Anti-air defenses.
This right here is ALL fantasy, and ALL cooked up by the Truth Movement.
And What lies?
You know what? I don't care, tell me this instead, why couldn't the terrorists do this?
No airliners at all. Watch "September Clues, "good overview. A lot of the people supposedly on the planes turn out to be ficticious or dead before 9/11. Doubt if there was a cruise missile at the Pentagon, more likely they just blew something up from inside. The whole section was rigged to collapse, cut out. Good luck saying there was a plane in Shanksville. You want to talk about people having fantasies and you try to maintain something like that. Just hips people to the game.
The FBI can say whatever they like. Legally too, in the interest of "national security." Doesn't change the fact that there was no plane wreckage in Shanksville.
See, this is what debunkers do. They don't address the actual point -- there was no plane there -- they talk about other stuff that supposedly proves there was definitely was a plane. Even though you can clearly see that there wasn't. But the FBI says there was, and they got a box, so that's all we need to know.
I'd really recommend more than a glance at S.C. Best stuff is the analysis of the footage we were looking at that day. Turns out to be coming from some control room that's feeding it to the news. All totally fake. The explosions were real, the planes were added digitally. 9/11 was a U.S. military operation. Has to be the only force on earth that could turn those buildings into dust in mid-air. Some kind of satellite weapon presumably. Star Wars in action.
I just pointed out where the video LIED, OUTRIGHT. If he feels the need to FAKE evidence to make his point, he's not worth listening to.
There's also that part about the helicopter camera and the "Steady background", bullsh*t, in 2001 they had the technology to keep the camera steady even has the helicopter moved about, something ELSE he lied about.
And Star Wars, SDI, is Vaporware, we went with something else, you fail.
We found out about the Stealth Planes 5 years before they were "announced" to the public, they were ALSO compartmentalize, built in the middle of the f*cking desert, and required a MINUSCULE amount of manpower next to what 9/11 would have taken.
9/11, unlike them, also occurred right in front of our f*cking faces, so your blanket excuse that "oh, it's simple compartmentalize", is BULLSHIT, hell it's pure FANTASY.
GO OUTSIDE, and learn how the damn world functions.
Just out of curiosity, what DO you think about the Missing Links documentary?
In my opinion (and im not racist), there were too many jews in the picture, and this fact cannot be washed away, and the fact that Israel has done this sort of thing before also cannot be washed away, i think (so far) the missing links documentary puts a cap stone on the whole event showing us the real players in the scenario.
Who gains was always on my mind. Israel got their way again in the middle east.
@nick271085 Everything is so compartmentalized ... nobody would even know they even had anything to do with it. It's really rather simple if you control everything at the top. Very few would need to know the actual agenda or the role they played.
No can BUILD a 140 foot missile, make look like an airplane, and think "Yeah, that's not suspicious".
No one can be asked to suddenly weaponize the HIGHLY experimental "Super thermite", and think "yeah, that's not odd."
No one can OVER WRITE ATC traffic records, and be forced,a long with 100s of others across 4 states, to discount what they saw on the radar screens that day, AND NOT BE F*CKING SUSPICIOUS.
Reality is for people that can't handle drugs, drugs are for people who can't handle reality. Conspiracies are completely different than blatant lies. If someone gets away with one lie, what's going to stop them from trying it again? If they get away with two lies, will they ever tell the truth again? G.Wad Bush almost had it, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, but bush is a fool any way you cut it.
@363Magi - by being 'inclusive' - accepting we are not different we accept others for being 'human' too. I don't doubt that the government has lied to us about 9/11, nor do I doubt that they fore-knowledge, but until we have a criminal investigation and prove the case, justice can not be done by mere speculation. You play into the people who don't want you to know the truth by creating diversions to the truth, and making accusations about the Jews. doesn't get to the truth.
@363Magi - Also foreign politics are extremely complex & to make everything a Jewish thing is an easy way out. Scapegoating is another form of propoganda - just look at how we blamed 'Muslims' for 9/11. It is not about who’s to blame. The solution has to be inclusive. Yes, we take responsibility in minimizing the pain and suffering of others through our actions.
@363Magi - A long time ago I decided I wasn't going to blame any race, religion etc. for any particular issue. You know why? One day someone might 'blame' you for something because of your genes - and where does that lead? How would you 'feel' about that? Hatred begets more hatred. Because there are 'elites' as you call them in any form, creed - it's an 'attitude' not based on a particular 'genetic code.' peace to you or shalom
The labels of creating an image of a 'nut-case' is easily done when you have individuals who 'rant' about 9/11. I know it's an emotional issue, don't get me wrong, I don't believe in the official report either - but I can't be a fan of Alex Jones. Honestly, IMHO he does more disservice with his 'infowars' than the CIA does.
That said, you're right on the money with techniques that can be used to undermine a movement. Always look closely at those who discredit the messenger - easy ploy.
@quietword333 That's because Alex Jones is controlled opposition. e.x when he 'sneaked' into Bohemian Grove and caught there 'ritual' footage which he soon after sold to the same publications controlled by the 'elite'. Reason? They let him in. To think he played 007 to get that footage is silly. He is also Jewish and refuses to even own up to Jewish control of media, etc and the crimes of the state of Israel. It's pretty obvious he's a tool and his website is a tool for money and half truths.
holy shit... actually i thought my english wasn't that bad... but i didn't get one of the comments on this page....i read bernays books both propaganda in german crystallzig a public opinion in english...but somehow...maybe i should take a nap...
GREAT ARGUMENTS! GREAT INFORMATION. I HOPE MANY AMERICANS WILL LISTEN AND WATCH AND LEARN. IT'S BEEN TEN YEARS AND WE ARE STILL FACING PACK OF LIES BEING CRAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS AND WE SEEM TO NOT MIND. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO OUR PIONEER SPIRIT? WHY DO WE, STILL, NOT LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE.
Debate 911 all you want.....no one can deny what has happened to our once free country after 911.....lets see someone debunk the police and warmongering Nation State we have turned into after 911....any takers? I bet no one feels more free or more safe now.
joecoool100 6 hours ago
Truthers are fucking idiots.
12weasel100 3 days ago
@12weasel100
No, they've gone beyond being idiots. They've gone to the Twilight Zone.
TruthersRAlwaysWrong 6 hours ago
Fact: 99.9% of structural or civil engineers (most qualified group on this planet to understand building design from the aspect of structural integrity) do not openly support the "truth" movement. How many do? 100? 200? That number is approaching statistical irrelevance, given that just the ASCE alone has 140,000 members
Newcomers to "truth" ask yourself this. Why do so few of the most qualified individuals (who do understand the science and math), support the controlled demlition theory?
CCRider100 5 days ago 2
@CCRider100 the majority of "smart people" once thought the earth was flat and was the center of the universe. The majority of smart people once believed in fairys, elves, and the like...... while the Wright Brothers were building the first air plane, professors were writing books about how it couldnt be done...even the majority of smart science people can be wrong about a great many things.....we have a name for it, its called science, that what makes it great.
joecoool100 5 hours ago
as a pilot i believe that airliners crashed into the towers because the truthers have never made a slightly credible argument to date .if you have scholarly opinions based on hard science then they need to get their findings published in a reputable peer reviewed journal.otherwise they are merely blowing smoke for the consumption of excited illiterate overgrown children of the kind who mistake 007 spy thrillers for real world espionage.
woodenmajor 6 days ago
as a pilot i believe that no commercial planes were used on 911 >>>they were cargo planes with no windows.
altocumulas 1 week ago
I love it when truthers pretend like their experts in structural collapses. It makes them look so intelligent.
meandemeanor 2 weeks ago
@meandemeanor Silly debunker. Run along now.
live4death7 1 week ago
@live4death7 that's so funny and clever
meandemeanor 1 week ago
@meandemeanor <<<<<<exposed!!!!
TheScottybobear 6 days ago
@TheScottybobear you are a tool.
meandemeanor 4 days ago
"How to Destroy the 9/11 Truth Movement '
ROTFLMAO....how about with EVIDENCE?????
an OFFICIAL CLAIM of "NO explosives or accelerants" with NO investigation to back it up.
"NIST did not test for the residue from explosives or accelerants" wtc. nist. gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006. htm
HYPOTHESIZED steel that FAILED from the FIRES PRESENT with NO EVIDENCE of such occurring
hgfbob 2 weeks ago
33 outer columns were damaged out of 236 outer columns which comes out to 14%, count the columns yourself in any image or video that shows the holes.. NIST estimates that 6-8 core columns 7 out of 47 comes out to 15% leaving 85% of the core columns intact and undamaged.
impacts caused MINIMAL damage to EACH tower with NO EVIDENCE the FIRES PRESENT failed ANY of the 240 remaining FIREPROOFED columns on EACH impact floor.
"no core column examined showed temp. above 250C" NIST 1-3 p.95,101,132
hgfbob 2 weeks ago
Natural collapses are Chaotic events. You cannot have symmetry from chaos. For any building to fall symmetrically all supporting columns would have to fail simultaneously, otherwise undamaged columns would create resistance in the collapse and would cause the building to either stop collapsing, or fall to the path of least resistance causing a non-symmetrical collapse.
hgfbob 2 weeks ago
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"Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the "official investigation" blessed by FEMA and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure"
fireengineering. com/articles/print/volume-155/issue-1/departments/editors-opinion/elling-out-the-investigation. html
hgfbob 2 weeks ago
The best way to destroy a 9-11 troofer is to let them talk. The foot will always end up in the mouth and some nonsense like hologram planes, reptilians or haarp will be mentioned.
dreadnaught2 2 weeks ago
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420bmxer 2 weeks ago
If you can call Steven Jones and Richard Gage scientists then you must consider some of the creationists as real scientists
Seriously, Jones believes that you can make explosive thermite paint that can cut through steel columns and Gage believes that cardboard boxes are analogous to steel skyscrapers
and these are the people you consider scientists. Debunkers have thousands of engineers and a huge research paper describing in detail how the towers collapsed all you have are nut jobs
jborean 1 month ago
@jborean
Well said, but we don't want them to take another step back by trying to find away to agree with Creationists.
Or, maybe such a paradox in logic would cause them all to die? (Thinking.)
Ok, I'm on board.
willdrake1 3 weeks ago
"avoid arguments they know they cant win" & "psychological tactics like repeated denial."
My friend, give me an argument i cant win. lets hear it. I deny nothing other than what i can factually discount. and the notion that debunkers are ALL ppl who sit online all day and debunk your theories because they dont have jobs, or the notion that the government would actually pay somebody to debunk theories in general is laughable. the govt commissions experts to provide theories, not debunk
Tommygb21 1 month ago
If you think explosives can be rigged in a functioning office skyscraper you are some kind of stupid.
But whatever, believe it if it makes you feel smart. But just a piece of advice, don't ever bring this up on a first date or a job interview.
meandemeanor 1 month ago 7
@meandemeanor
'If you think explosives can be rigged in a functioning office skyscraper you are some kind of stupid"
tell us why not?
construction was a 365 day event there...WHO would notice......
hgfbob 2 weeks ago
Bb
meandemeanor 1 month ago
Aw how cute there is a chicken hawk in the house.
HostileNegotiator 1 month ago
I'm glad you covered this topic and shared it with the questioners. I've noticed a lot of trolls and bullies here on YouTube. This operation I dub "smoke and mirrors" has been going on since the beginning when they 1st tried to convince people 3 buildings collapsed due to fire. Any demolition expert can see these were demolished and will tell you as much.
HostileNegotiator 2 months ago
@HostileNegotiator
"Any demolition expert can see these were demolished and will tell you as much."
You've never asked a demolition expert becasue you know they'll call you nuts.
TruthersRAlwaysWrong 1 month ago
@TruthersRAlwaysWrong sreadind your stupidity over here too huh? fucking moron!!!
SnakeBiteKisss 3 days ago
@SnakeBiteKisss
Hows that scientific peer-reviewed journal coming along to prpove that 9/11 was an "Inside Job"?
TruthersRAlwaysWrong 3 days ago
@HostileNegotiator im a demolition expert AND i was in NYC on 9-11. in all my experience with military grade explosives and demolition, ive never seen a building that was demolished in a controlled fashion with incidiary or explosive devices done so that not a single, true "explosive" signature was evident. in CD, you need absolute, redundant, perfection, AND when it detonates, it makes a multitude of explosive sounds that can be heard miles away. not one explosive charge was heard on 9-11
Tommygb21 1 month ago
I also see ALOT of evidence coming from original studies or anacdotes that do not imply an inside job. these "liars" must tell some "truth" and you guys seem to be the only ones that know whicth sentences in a paragraph are truth... since these are the sources from the cherry picking I can only assume you are all picking and choosing what you want to hear or you all have esp (which doesnt exist soooooo....)
Lt0Rabbit 2 months ago
all evidence provided is noticably cherry picked & taken out of context. all original sources of information are available and accessible. calling other theorists within your group crazy or paid-off because their theory differs. think about the logical implications of what your saying. "dont trust the anyone else they are paid-off, only I have the truth" think about what you accuse the brainwashed of and apply it to yourself, you will be surprised. 9/11 is accounted for and in the past, move on
Lt0Rabbit 2 months ago
What's the law of Physics that states you can't use energy twice?
waterhead001 2 months ago
The "Truth" movement is bull shit.
For those who simply can't get it through your thick heads: shit happens without a grand design, that the only reason this looks suspicious is because you can't admit yourown lack of creativity, helplessness to be as prepared as you wish 24/7; you're just as ignorant as creationists—so fearful of theirown mortality, their inability to find their place in the world without a book to tell them the W's of their life.
Its sad.
willdrake1 2 months ago
@willdrake1 the truth movement has way more to do with standing up, uniting as a people and keeping the powers that be in check cause if we let em, they will flip the script so fast. we gotta remember its they who work for us, not the other way around.no matter what u believe any one can see the push towards oppresion and control. if u havent seen v for vendetta theres so much truth in that its insane. never let down ur guard, never stop questioning or thinking critically and objectively.
sqottslahuud 2 months ago
@sqottslahuud
As long as the "Truth Movement" focuses on the b.s of 9/11 it will be seen at best, a joke; at worst, a retarded fringe group who has no idea what its talking about.
Yes, I know plenty about Allan Moore, who, along with Watchmen, never wanted this movie made, thought it was shit and totally misrepresented the ideas of his Graphic Novel; which I suggest you read if the movie is all you know.
The clowns wearing the V-masks don't know what they're doing—it just looks cool.
willdrake1 2 months ago
Respond to this video... dont make the assumption that everyone who believes in a creator, does so because the bible, or is a practicing christian or catholic. dont be so quick to point out peoples ignorance before ur own ideas are thuroughly thought through. unless u have hard evidence based facts as proof of gods non-existance, all ur really going on is faith my friend.
sqottslahuud 2 months ago
@sqottslahuud
I don't need to prove the existence of God, the lack of evidence speaks for me; it is people who believe in God who need to scratch up some evidence in-order to maintain their belief outside any realm of fantasy or blind faith.
If two people entered a room and found nothing, the one who said someone must've lived here at one time—has to prove it; the other, going upon only what he can weigh and measure can easily suggest the opposite is more likely. His proof—the lack of proof.
willdrake1 2 months ago
At 1:18 look at the 45 degree cut beam with molten metal.
warehambr 3 months ago
@warehambr
Yes and I'll show you that after a hurricane Pin Needles split a tree to kill a cow.
Odd how shit happens isn't it.
You know if you shatter a window, really shatter it, there's a good chance you'll come up with something that looks like a perfect star or snowflake? Mmmmm, sinister I know.
willdrake1 2 months ago
@willdrake1 Now run this by me again, how did WTC 7 collapse?
warehambr 2 months ago
@warehambr
Not like you're going to listen anyway, since you've already barricaded your mind:
debunking911(dot)com(/)pull(dot)htm
willdrake1 2 months ago
@warehambr
So, did you checkout the site I gave you? I bet not.
willdrake1 2 months ago
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waterchildtera 3 months ago
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Who made you an expert on 9.11
chillaxer1993 3 months ago
Interesting facts in this piece.
Thanks for sharing.
The facts speak for themselves and to the doubters and 911 truth doubters and debunkers- Shame on YOU.
I support 911 Truth because i cannot avoid the facts. Read up on things and open your own eyes.
Debunk at your peril.
Investigate 911. Do the RIGHT THING.
breakit46 3 months ago
@breakit46
The Truth Movement is B.S
For the people who simply don't know what they're talking about, getting information, often wrong, from others who don't know what they're talking about—once shown facts in a clear common sense fashion, realize their mistakes; For the others, nomatter how much data you show them, they will simply either choose to believe anyway or revamp their corner to fit their modified outlook.
willdrake1 2 months ago
How to really stop the 9/11 truth movement: give them facts. When presented with facts truthers usually scatter like cockroaches when you turn on a light at night
TheBubbaZed 3 months ago
@TheBubbaZed No, its the so called debunkers that scatter, or change the subject, or just resort to name calling. The facts speak for themselves, and there is no way that the government's explanation of what happened could be possible. It denies physics.
RobWarrens 3 months ago
Well, ten years past and nothing new to report. So keep hanging on to your asanine and paranoid delusions you dim-witted truthers. In the meantime, your government has commited other atrosities that you've completely missed.
TheBubbaZed 3 months ago
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL OMG this goof ball is doing to Dr. Wood exactly what he's blaming others of doing to him ..LOLLLLLLLLLL OMG this dude is a piece of work LOLLLLLLL ...hey brainyack ...to buy into the thermite theory ...you have to believe molten metal....flowing POOLS of molten metal ..hahahaha pls explain why the jaws of that equipment did NOT melt when digging up the pools<<< look at your own video at 9:30 ....Lord I do hope you will answer
914light 4 months ago
@914light for there to be fused or molten metal at the site is in itself is suspect. Where did the extra heat come from? They have shown huge blocks of metal fused together. You need more heat than jet fuel or office fires can generate in order to fuse steel together. So, i ask you, where did the extra heat come from?
dominic150 3 months ago
edgemanll2 is one of the biggest shills on youtube I have ever seen. Some of his other accounts are edgemanll3, edgemanll4, and edgemon112, but I'm sure he's got many many more. Watch out for this person.
kazoorocketman54 4 months ago
@kazoorocketman54 There are many who seek online presentations of 9/11 where public debate occurs for the sole purpose of attacking, name-calling, disrupting, etc (seriously, have you encountered a FRIENDLY, humble, non-aggressive, non-ego driven defender of the govt's version of 9/11 on the internet?) Be they typically combative RWers, or actual Agent Mikes, look at their YT channel: often no uploads, very few friends/subs, no real flavor (a few ill-fitted misdirects) yet they're all over 9/11.
TheeUnidentified 3 months ago
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@azar783402 You really have problems answering questions. Don't you? Let's add another one:
1. Why is there no outcry from the FDNY or any other organization in the world supporting your claim?
2. How is it possible that the FDNY accurately predicted the collapse of WTC 7?
3. What caused the internal collapse of WTC 5?
4. Ever interviewed all firefighters involved if they associate any explosive sound they heard that day with explosives? And even if one(!) did, what did his collegues say?
wimahlers 4 months ago
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@azar783402 You really have problems answering questions. Don't you? Let's add another one:
1. Why is there no outcry from the FDNY or any other organization in the world supporting your claim?
2. How is it possible that the FDNY accurately predicted the collapse of WTC 7?
3. What caused the internal collapse of WTC 5?
4. Ever interviewed all firefighters involved if they associate any explosive sound they heard that day with explosives? And even if one(!) did, what did his collegues say?
wimahlers 4 months ago
@azar783402,
,
"Firefighters were murdered on 911"
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Yes, they were! By the actions of 10 hijackers only.
And since you claim it is impossible that WTC1+2 could have collapsed due to fire alone you have to answer the following questions:
1. Why is there no outcry from the FDNY or any other organization in the world supporting your claim?
2. How is it possible that the FDNY accurately predicted the collapse of WTC 7?
3. What caused the internal collapse of WTC 5?
Be consistent!
wimahlers 4 months ago
@azar783402 You still have to explain why a substantial internal part of WTC5 fully collapsed. What was the cause? Just to be clear, it was a part that was NOT hit by debris and a part that had substantial fire damage. I say as FEMA, NIST and the FDNY do, that it was the fire. Consequentially, it can NOT be excluded that WTC7 collapsed due to fire alone.
Again, what caused this(!) part of WTC5 to collapse?
Still avoiding asnwering this simple factual question?
wimahlers 4 months ago
@azar783402,
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"As time went on the
smoke became darker, indicating the fires were smothering for lack of oxygen."
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And this is the point where your argument goes wrong. Try again. But before you do, please confirm any opinion at a knowledgeable source. For instance the FDNY. You know, the same fire department that predicted that WTC 7 would collapse before the collapse. The scary part is that the FDNY was virtually spot on with the time it did collapse. How about that? You explain!
wimahlers 4 months ago
Stupid ignorant fuck. Grow up.
Daneoid81 4 months ago
@azar783402 Which reminds me:
You claim that WTC7 could never collapse due to fire. If this is true than you have to explain why a substantial internal part of WTC5 fully collapsed. What was the cause? Just to be clear, it was a part that was NOT hit by debris and a part that had substantial fire damage. I say as FEMA, NIST and the FDNY do, that it was the fire. Consequentially, it can NOT be excluded that WTC7 collapsed due to fire alone.
Again, what caused this(!) part of WTC5 to collapse?
wimahlers 4 months ago
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@azar783402 ... by the way...
You have not addressed my argument and question of the fact:
The FDNY concluded a little over 3 hours prior to the collapse that WTC 7 would collapse. More so, they even predicted when this was going to happen. And they were almost spot on. The FDNY was also not surprised when it did collapse. Not a whisper of surprise from the FDNY in the months following.
Explain the FDNY. Explain!
wimahlers 4 months ago
@azar783402,
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"9/11 was an inside job"
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That is an extraordinary claim (a claim not shared by the FDNY).
Extraordinary claims demands extraordinary evidence.
Since this is your claim it therefore is your duty to produce this extraordinary evidence.
Please show your extraordinary evidence.
But just remember, accusations, opinions, conjectures and the like, is not proof. Let alone extraordinary proof.
So, please show your extraordinary evidence.
wimahlers 4 months ago
@azar783402,
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"and why was there no mention of Building 7’s collapse in The 9/11 Commission Report?"
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Do you even know what the focus point of this commission was?
Their investigation was limited to, and focussed on, procedures and regulations - procedures and regulations! - in order to determine if the procedures and regulations were followed, failed, or were inadequate. Their primary mission was NOT to explain the collapse. They only mentioned WTC 1+2 because these were hit by terroists.
wimahlers 4 months ago
@azar783402,
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"the sudden and unexplained fall"
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Really? Not according the FDNY. They concluded a little over 3 hours prior to the collapse that WTC 7 would collapse. More so, they even predicted when this was going to happen. And they were almost spot on. The FDNY was also not surprised when it did collapse. Not a whisper of surprise from the FDNY in the months following. Only lay persons not present at the site were baffled by the collapse many moons after 9/11.
Explain the FDNY. Explain!
wimahlers 4 months ago
@azar783402 and there is more...
I have an explosive news fact for you...
When you claim there was a controlled demolition it means it was controlled.
Where is the control?
All testimonies you can list that used the word "explosion" were incidental, at random places and at random times. The only fact they do have in common is that virtually all of them were reported from places were the most vicious fires were going on.
Where is the control?
Why were no traces of explosives found ever?
wimahlers 4 months ago
@azar783402,
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"... then there was another explosion"
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You really don't need much, do you?
There were countless explosive sounds during that day. They also have been recorded on many video and audio equipment. But people call every sudden displacement of gas, a loud bang, an explosive. This does not imply that this was caused by explosives. It only means there was an event that created a sudden displacement of gasses, most likely air. And fire itself is such an event that can do that.
wimahlers 4 months ago
@azar783402
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"...resembling the pyroclastic flows of volcanoes. ... were ejected at regular intervals below the huge mushrooming clouds of dust"
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Ever heard of gypsum?
Also, do you realise these towers were 400 meters high.
Not to mention the fact that you have not the foggiest idea of what you just claimed yourself. What is your hypothesis? What was controlled? How? With what? And, again, how? Any verified plausible hypothesis?
Just shouting CONTROLLED DEMOLITION is not an argument.
wimahlers 4 months ago
@azar783402,
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"This document examines fallacies in the official explanation"
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What document?
wimahlers 4 months ago
@azar783402,
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"We were told that ... the jet fuel burned with the heat of a nuclear power plant and melted the steal columns of the towers’ cores."
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Who the hell told you that???
Anyway, it is just some opinion you heard some where. Who cares. It is irrelevant.
wimahlers 4 months ago
@azar783402,
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"lucky discoveries made on 9/11 by the FBI"
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What is this suppose to prove or disprove.
By the way, the passenger seats of hijackers in some of the planes was reported by phone by flight attendants. We were lucky there too!
wimahlers 4 months ago
Some truthers claim that AA77 did not crash into the Pentagon. You must not be one of them because there is overwhelming evidence it did. AA77 was tracked by civilian traffic controller radar. Lost from rader at the position of the Pentagon. All passenger remains were found inside the Pentagon and DNA identified (except 1). All Debris, not being Pentagon debris, is 100% consistent with AA77 debris. The black box was found and investigated by experts. These experts reported no inconsistencies.
wimahlers 4 months ago
@wimahlers BULLSHIT! A 757 or 767 cannot pull 1.62g's without structural failure. There are inconsistancies in the flight data recorder and the data provided by the NTSB, FEMA and NORAD. That information is in the 911 commission report. Bob Pugh has a video on the pentagon, he was there with a video camera. There is no clear evidence a commercial airliner hit the pentagon. Peddle your bullshit elsewhere idiot.
Daddyo930 4 months ago
@Daddyo930,
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"BULLSHIT! A 757 or 767 cannot pull 1.62g's without structural failure. There are inconsistancies in the flight data recorder and the data provided by the NTSB, FEMA and NORAD."
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Wow, wow and wow!
Of course! Now I see. I am so glad that your genius insight opened my eyes. What was I thinking.
But there are some tiny little problems with your brilliant analysis that you still have to resoive and explain. Like Boeing does not agree with you. Convince them first.
wimahlers 4 months ago
@wimahlers Ever heard of a VMO/MMO limitation fact sheet? Boeing publishes it. Boeing agrees with my statement. 320 knots at 700 feet is the speed at which, if exceeded, aerodynamic stability and control become increasingly difficult. That is a fact, not conjecture. Wind tunnel data and computer simulation prove exactly that. Ever try a flight simulator? Try pushing a 767 past 300 knots at 700 feet. See what happens.
Daddyo930 4 months ago
@Daddyo930,
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"Ever heard of a VMO/MMO limitation fact sheet? Boeing publishes it.700 feet is the speed at which, if exceeded, aerodynamic stability and control become increasingly difficult. "
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Increasingly difficult/dangerous/not recommended? Where does it say impossible?
Again, Boeing does NOT agree with you. Disagree? Then show me the explicit Boeing press comunication where Boeing objected to the accepted conclusion that AA77 crashed into the Pentagon.
wimahlers 4 months ago
@Daddyo930 by the way...
Were does it say that "A 757 or 767 cannot pull 1.62g's"?
And were is your source that proves that flight AA77 actually and factually passed this (rather odd) limit?
Acrredited, verifiable and verified sources please. Like Boeing or the NTSB.
wimahlers 4 months ago
@wimahlers Boeing 767 MMO/VMO limitation fact sheet. Google it. The data provided by the NTSB, FEMA, NORAD and radar ground stations indicate that the objects that hit the two towers were travelling at 420 and 510 knots. That can be found in the 911 commission report and FEMA's report on 911.
Daddyo930 4 months ago
@Daddyo930,
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"Boeing 767 MMO/VMO limitation fact sheet"
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What is this suppose to prove or disprove?
wimahlers 4 months ago
@wimahlers Whether or not a 767 can do 420 or 510 knots at 700 feet. The fact sheet shows at which speed and altitude the aircraft becomes unstable.
Daddyo930 4 months ago
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@Daddyo930,
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"Whether or not a 767 can do 420 or 510 knots at 700 feet. The fact sheet shows at which speed and altitude the aircraft becomes unstable."
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Yes, and?
wimahlers 4 months ago
@wimahlers explain berry jennings interview and all the inconsistencies that the, powers that be, tried to feed us concerning tower 7.that more than anything else is what really made me question our leaders.
sqottslahuud 4 months ago
@sqottslahuud,
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"berry jennings"
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How about Berry Jennings. The same Berry Jennings who passionately complained at Dylan Avary that what he said was misinterpreted by Dylan Avary? That Berry Jennings? What about him?
Reference: watch?v=hsOKkDwyfjg
wimahlers 4 months ago
If Gage and Jones, as you claim, follow the scientific method than why have they never done a REPRESENTATIVE experiment using thermite to CONTROL demolish a SIMILAR construction producing SIMILAR results. Explain why in the past 10 years they have never set up such an experiment or found and demolished a squat building to demonstrate what they claimed has happened?
Explain why no substance or item at ground zero was ever identified or even suspected to be from an incendiary or explosive.
wimahlers 4 months ago
Here are some other facts ...
Show me how thermite can create "pools of molten steel". But maybe you don't claim that. Maybe you only claim "pools of molten metal". Then explain why this is so unnatural with a disaster this size. Why is it impossible, given the abundance of chemicals, gas lines, trapped heat, etc.for fires to sponteneously start during the cleanup?
Explain why the FDNY "pulled" out of WTC 7 because they concluded the collapse of WTC 7 was imminent.
wimahlers 4 months ago
Accusing debunkers of sterotyping by stereotyping debunkers?
How ironic.
I am a scientific skeptic. And following the scientific method you must prove your own claim or argument.
One of the arguments is that thermite was used. If this is your claim than show me how. And explain, at the same time, the substantial internal collapse of WTC 5. This is important because WTC 5 PROVES that you can have a fire induced collapse only. ... unless you claim WTC 5 was rigged with explosives too!
wimahlers 4 months ago
scott ,much of this is about science ,physics ,metalurgy ,thermodynamics etc ..there have been several 'PEER REVIEWED " papers on this subject which have been published in various scientific journals ..please review the meaning of "peer reviewed " as opposed to some guy (even some guy with a phd) who has an OPINION based apon an "argument from ignorance " ..note a PHD in mathmatics or chemistry does not qualify one to hold forth on fire science ,physics or demolition /explosives ..right?
woodenmajor 4 months ago
Notice he embarks on the same tactics he accuses the truthers of (refusing debate personal attacks etc) speaks eloquently about the originators Lippman Goebells etc and fails to address the absurd notion of 130 tons of alum ribs and skin cutting 4100 tons of steel and concrete. Orig poster of this vid blocked me as did his cronies-this is psyops all the way designed to lead you back to the original lie that Muslims flew aircraft into buildings and steer u away from truth about the towers demise
izzysykopth 4 months ago
@izzysykopth Agree. This video is confusing, doing exactly what it accuses. It shows images in contradiction of what it affirms. It creates its own stereotypes to use on the opposite direction it shows itself as intending to.
B-E -- C-A-R-E-F-U-L-L ! ! this is a high technology desinformation technique
Reasonable99pct 4 months ago
@Reasonable99pct Nice observation. Ive been schooled on how to spot these tactics by former _ _ _. That combined with 2 years studying psychology and not much gets by me. You can certainly see the advanced techniques used here.
izzysykopth 4 months ago
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izzysykopth 4 months ago
I agree with everything in this video except with the statement the Jews didn't do 911 and that is just a conspiracy.....And the answer is that normal Jews did NOT do 911 BUT Zionist Jews in the US government along side Israel and the Mossad DID do 911.....or are at least responsible for allowing it to happen and rigging the buildings with explosives to make the attacks 10 times worse, and therefore garnering American support for the illegal criminal wars fought for Israel by the US.
OnSafari247 4 months ago
so ok then ..what are the REAL truther theorys that the luny fringe truthers havent yet brought forth ? harrasment and name calling ? ..lol ,its common for truthers resort to such personal insults almost instantly whenever they get slightly knocked off kilter .
so ,after ten years ..what then is the very best,most compelling , truther theory that still stands up to rational scrutiny ?
woodenmajor 4 months ago
@woodenmajor OKAY. where are the experts at that can watch a 911 truth video and break it down. u dont see em cause they cant. u wanna say rational scrutiny. well by all means im all ears. show me where the truthers facts arent really facts cause if ur argument is solid then ill definitely concede. the one thing im not is a cheer leader. ill listen to facts on whatever side they originate from.
sqottslahuud 4 months ago
@sqottslahuud,
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"where are the experts at that can watch a 911 truth video and break it down. u dont see em cause they cant."
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Good point! ... not!
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That is like claiming:
where are the experts at that can watch a creationists video and break it down. u dont see em cause they cant.
It is a strawman argument because a scientist does science. A scientist does NOT run around reacting on every youtube vid that is made. They don't even do that when they agree. Like: watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc
wimahlers 4 months ago
The laser idea came from people like Ventura who wanted to know why cars seemed liked they got melted blocks from the WTC.
MrPurpose79 4 months ago
Buy David Ray Griffin's book Debunking 9/11 Debunking. Don't people realize
that since 9/11 was an inside job of course there is going to be disinformation
like "there were hundreds of witnesses that saw a plane crash into the pentagon"
When it is a total lie.
MrPurpose79 4 months ago
did you have any "accidents" at home yet?
where you "fell" on a knife MULTIPLE TIMES?
or shot your self in the head MULTIPLE TIMES?
lol
love your vid
longanddeadly 4 months ago
Very concise summary of the uphill battle we face in the 911 Truth movement...a bit of mention of Cass Sunstein and cognitive infiltration would be an interesting adjunct, but possibly not on topic for this film...impressive use of 10 minutes!
diogenesquest 4 months ago
By spreading the truth about 9/11 all you do is hasten your own eventual overthrow and enslavement. You've already lost; all you can hope for now is to slow it down!!!
Check and mate!
Please go back to being sheep for your own safety. WW3 has been being planned for over a 100 years now. And the real magic in the strategy wasn't 9/11 at all, it was when the media "flips sides" and starts supporting the "truthers", you see how that works...?
And so begins armageddon...
CMLaneLV 4 months ago
YOU GUYS BEEEEEEE CAREFUL!
The 9/11 inside job was never meant to be kept a secrect in the first place!
This is what's called a "political time bomb"!!!
It's a booby trap!
When the public FINALY accepts that 9/11 was an inside job, their response will be perfectly PREDICTABLE: cry for justice and demand blood.
This couldn't play more perfectly into the hands of those planning and fomenting a final showdown in the middle east for sovereign power over the world.
It's a trap!
CMLaneLV 4 months ago
So you say that a propaganda technique is to personally attack truthers, and then you follow immediately by personally attacking debunkers.
Berkeley626 4 months ago
Each one should take time to make their own personal analysis. if there are unconvincing facts -fast removal of debris, videos were confiscated around the Pentagon, WTC7 pulled perfectly in a few hours while "on fire"- there shouldn't be any confrontation among people. There's were 3000 deaths. The investigation of the biggest crime in history should be Continous. Independent. Public. With a high budget. We lose nothing, but we may get closer to more convincing explanations, whatever they are.
albers 4 months ago
Squizill can you expand on your point
pilytkid 5 months ago
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"How to Destroy the 9/11 Truth Movement" simple, let em talk! conspiracy theorist destroy their own arguements by asserting absolute knowledge without presenting evidence, it doesnt take a 9-11 truther counter movement from the govenment make these nutters appear nutty, they do the job themselves!
squizill 5 months ago
even though in every video ive seen, this is exactly what a truther does to win an argument
canescatcher12 5 months ago
love your vids man keep up the good work
babygirl91580 5 months ago
This political regime is diseased past the point of toleration! To think that these SATANIST'S could espouse the sanctity of God in the divinity of there "just" cause all the while knowing the whole of the event was staged ....to continue the charade regardless of the sheer monstrosity, the moral repugnance of the initializing act suggest's nothing less then satanism. To use this to kill in excess of 1,000,000.00 Iraqi's for an act THEY COMMITTED ....suffice to say FUCK U.S.A.
wisdomtrek 5 months ago
way to weed out the bs..
mickymacky02 5 months ago
this video is complete shit. everyone knows there is more to the story..if u cant see that..ur a fcking dum sheep..
mickymacky02 5 months ago
@mickymacky02 oops i meant to say "complete gold"
mickymacky02 5 months ago
The collapse of 7 World Trade Center is remarkable because it was the first known instance of a tall building collapsing primarily as a result of uncontrolled fires-wiki
mickymacky02 5 months ago
why no video of pentagon attack? wtf? there must be hundreds of cameras outside that building?? no??
mickymacky02 5 months ago
@mickymacky02 yeah there are hundreds, they confiscated all of them...... hmmmmm that its self is enough for me to be questioning what really hit the pentagon, then 5 years later they give us a 5 frame video that doesn't show anything..... if it was a plane why not just show it????? because it's not wake up
Nfl360 5 months ago
I'll tell u brainless government believers what's a conspericy nut, a conspericy nut is someone who believes that on 9/11 19 angry Muslims with box cutters hijacked 4 airliners,magically slipping by a billion dollar defence system,in the air for a hour,then hitting 75% of their targets.oh bye the way the pentagon is the most secured building on earth! After 9/11 some hijackers were alive, one was interviewed! Then min's after the attack the u.s knew who did it. 9/11 was a inside job idiots!
Thebirdgang20 5 months ago 2
Cool story bro. Debunkers know that Conspiracy theories are bullshit. And they can prove it unlike the shitty made up theories you people thrust out of your ass. You people make me sick
ZonTheDon 6 months ago
@mblaineo
"FBI can say whatever they like"
I didn't quote the FBI, I gave you pictures of exactly what I stated.
The FDR, a plane window, now this, a fuselage part with United Airline colors:
chasingthefrog . com/reelfaces/united93/planepart1 . jpg
And these are engine parts shoved into ground by the impact:
chasingthefrog . com/reelfaces/united93/debris2 . jpg
This is plane wreckage, I HAVE addressed the point. It's also rather telling none of these photos showed up in September Clues.
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
@Alaskaslim
Come on mate. Have a look at the thread on the usmessageboard site if you don't believe me. Do a search for "Flight 93 never crashed Shanksville."
As for Mike Walter and steady cams, I don't know. That's hardly the meat & potatoes of September Clues.
How come you feel like you're on a mission to defend the official 9/11 story? And everybody's lying who doesn't buy it? What's wiith all the hostility?
mblaineo 6 months ago
@mblaineo
Why read the thread, when there are pictures of them CLEARLY finding parts of United 93?:
chasingthefrog . com/reelfaces/united93/planepart1 . jpg
These are plane parts, hence, they found the plane. Your forum cannot explain physical evidence like this away.
September Clues didn't even mention these photos, yet charges United 93 wasn't found, I WOULD call that "meat & potatoes", as it means they were wrong, again, I might add.
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
@Alaskaslim
Yeah, well, you're apparently not very bright there, Al. The chain of surmise actually works in the other direction. Once we've established that there isn't a plane we can say with some certainty that the photos and/or pieces of evidence are fake/planted. See, cuz it's not possible to make the big plane disappear, whereas it's perfectly easy to tell somebody this or that picture came from the crash site.
Go and ponder that for a little while.
mblaineo 6 months ago
@mblain
"Plane disappear"?
What are you talking about? The plane didn't "disappear", are you talking about the debris being SMALL that you can't make it out overhead?
Hell, find this plane, it was 80 tons heavier and a 1/3 larger:
airfields-freeman . com/IL/Ravenswood_IL_79_crash . jpg
Find this C-130:
911research . wtc7 . net/pentagon/analysis/compare/c130crash . html
"Not very bright", No, I just have other examples showing this isn't odd, not unless you want call them conspiracies too.
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
@Alaskaslim
As with anything 9/11, it becomes necessary at some point to start intoducing "evidence" from entirely different incidents. Since you can't explain where the plane is (it's not there, of course), you show me a photograph and say, "Here, look at this. This was some equally freaky thing that happened, um, somewhere. And so you see, weird things happen all the time." And what's cool about 9/11 is you have to do that for everything that happened that day. It's all just so freaky.
mblaineo 6 months ago
@mblaineo
"Freaky"? You misunderstand, This isn't freaky, this is the norm.
If a plane crashes anywhere at high speed, it shreds itself apart into small fragments, that's a typical scenario.
The crash of American 191 has another parallel to 93 in that it crashed not only at high speed, but upside down.
This is the crash site of 93:
images . ookaboo.com/photo/s/UA93_crash_site_s . jpg
In both, there are no large, obvious fragments, and that's your argument, isn't it?
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
@Alaskaslim
Right, planes turn to shreds, buildings turn to dust. That's just the way the world is.
Except that it's not. It's utter nonsense that you repeat and repeat. So what it comes down to is whether pepole are willing to listen to you and your Alice and Wonderland tales about all this disappearing stuff, or they'll go do some searches and see what downed planes and wrecked buildings actually look like. Or even just use their own brains. That's what the whole thing is about.
mblaineo 6 months ago
@mblaineo
Except that it is. Aircraft running into buildings is rare enough, airliners which are partially computer controlled, doubly so.
Airplanes are flying Aluminum cans, if they run into something at 400+ miles per hour, this is what happens:
/watch?v=--_RGM4Abv8
Most accidents occur while the plane is trying land or take off, and isn't moving at cruise velocity, which 400 mph is. In those instances, much of the plane will survive, but were not talking about that, are we?
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
@Alaskaslim
It's a simple statement, the faster a plane moves, the more kinetic energy it has. The more kinetic energy it has, the more energy that will be released in the moment of impact.
And the more energy that is released, the lesser the likely hood that the plane will remain intact. The plane's body has a given tensile strength, it can only absorb so much before it shatters, just like that F-4.
Physics supports this statement, this is not fantasy, this is observed and recorded reality.
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
@Alaskaslim
Oh, so it's just a flying aluminum can. Ok. So there's no way it would hurt a building then.
I've been on this merry-go-round many times, my friend, and you're a very low-grade operator. That's about all the time I think you deserve. Take it easy.
mblaineo 6 months ago
@mblaineo
It can hurt it, certainly, but it's not coming out of it intact.
When you shoot someone with a bullet, the bullet will more than likely be deformed, and although shaped like a bullet, a plane is not nearly as dense.
And I don't care how many times you've been on this "merry-go-round", you're trying rather hard to deny over 80 years of Aviation precedent, precedent I had to study to earn my degree IN Aviation.
We've been in my ball park the entire time, you're just naive.
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
@alaskaslim look who it is on another site talking same way to everyone u were to me on other page. The debunkers he describes on this video is u!!! No wonder u weren't answering with any sense or relative to my comment ure to busy on all these sites
joeboy2255 6 months ago
@joeboy2255
And this video is about you:
/watch?v=FW1HKdX3Fc4
The difference? People have actually watched that one, and it reflects America's opinion as a whole.
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
Uncompromising means you have finally rid your mind of the assumptions that were planted from the very start -- most significantly that there were passenger planes involved. Not much time should convince you that this was not true in the case of Shanksville and the Pentagon. Why then is it such a stretch to imagine that planes were not involved at the WTC either? Why complicate an operation with so many more variables? If you were planning it, would you have used actual planes?
mblaineo 6 months ago
There are infinite levels of disinformation. "I know you know I know you know ..." To be a student of 9/11 or "conspiracy theory" generally is to accept that nothing and no one can be taken at face value. In this video you in fact employ the same kind of blanket dismissal as those you accuse -- "obvious nonsense, not going to discuss it, will delete your comments" -- and it shows that you haven't quite moved on to the level where you can truly evaluate information in an uncompromising light.
mblaineo 6 months ago
@mblaineo
Except this is bullsh*t.
There ARE things you can take at face value.
The NTSB would not lie, nor would the American Society of Civil Engineers, or the witnesses, or the EVIDENCE for that matter.
Your approach is the absent of common sense, stating that the absence of proof for your side is only proof the conspiracy worked 100%, and nothing remains which points out their guilt.
That's not how the world works, grow up.
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
@Alaskaslim
Don't really get what you're saying. NTSB is a federal government agency. I'd think they'd have a hard time not lying about anything. And my "approach" is a little difficult to outline in 500 characters. The point as it relates to this video is you can't accept or dismiss things just because this guy or that guy said something. The "proof" of conspiracy in 9/11 is a preponderance of evidence, and the powers that be spend a lot of resources in muddying that water.
mblaineo 6 months ago
@mblaineo
The ASCE however is not, and has freely criticized the Government when they felt they were at fault, for example, Katrina.
And it was they, not the NTSB, who did the Pentagon Performance report.
Furthermore, there are hundreds of other organizations just like them, professional trade fraternities societies, and Unions, NONE of whom have found something amiss about 9/11.
The Truth Movement's cases are considered so intellectually bankrupt, they had to form their own groups.
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
@Alaskaslim
Once you've studied conspiracy theory for a couple of years you understand quite clearly what kind of forces you are up against and why people crying foul over 9/11 are gainsayed and stonewalled so universally in the popular media. That control has a force multiplier effect, in that you can then appeal to all that noise as an authority to deny without having to refute anything someone might say in scepticism of the official account. The account is official, after all.
mblaineo 6 months ago
Studying conspiracy theories does not VALIDATE them!
How the hell would studying the FLAT EARTH THEORY suddenly make it true? Or the Moon Landing theorists? Or the Area-51 stalkers?
Studying FANTASY, doesn't make it REAL, learn how to distinguish reality from your musings!
There's words to be said of what looks good, or in your case BAD on paper, doesn't actually work in real life. In real life, the CIA has failed, COUNTLESS times, not by any design, but merely because they CAN be blindsided.
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
@Alaskaslim
I absolutely agree with you. The mere act of looking won't make anything true or not. I completely disagree though that people like truthers are dealing in fantasies. The fantasy is quite indisputably the ridiculous stories put forth by the government. They're like the lies you got from your parents when you caught them having sex. "Mommy had a headache." Magic bullets, tin foil lunar landers, buildings that evaporate. Eventually you "grow up," as you say.
mblaineo 6 months ago
@mblaineo
"are dealing in fantasies"
Remote Control Airliners, Super thermite, Airliners carrying missiles, cruise missiles over 140 feet long (Tomahawks aren't even 9), A-3s carrying missiles it wasn't designed to and made to look like an airliner,
And perhaps worst of all, the Pentagon having Anti-air defenses.
This right here is ALL fantasy, and ALL cooked up by the Truth Movement.
And What lies?
You know what? I don't care, tell me this instead, why couldn't the terrorists do this?
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
@Alaskaslim
No airliners at all. Watch "September Clues, "good overview. A lot of the people supposedly on the planes turn out to be ficticious or dead before 9/11. Doubt if there was a cruise missile at the Pentagon, more likely they just blew something up from inside. The whole section was rigged to collapse, cut out. Good luck saying there was a plane in Shanksville. You want to talk about people having fantasies and you try to maintain something like that. Just hips people to the game.
mblaineo 6 months ago
@mblaineo
The National Geographic's camera crew existed, that's why said organization had a documentary on 9/11 to begin with.
"Plane in shankville"
Three Words, Flight Data recorder, they found it (FYI, that's one of the "black boxes"):
aerospaceweb . org/question/investigations/black-box/fdr-united93 . jpg
And this is an airplane window:
stj911 . org/evidence/docs/P200061_1 . jpg
Prove it? Well, I just did. You should have done your research better, more of 93 was found than any other.
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
@Alaskaslim
The FBI can say whatever they like. Legally too, in the interest of "national security." Doesn't change the fact that there was no plane wreckage in Shanksville.
See, this is what debunkers do. They don't address the actual point -- there was no plane there -- they talk about other stuff that supposedly proves there was definitely was a plane. Even though you can clearly see that there wasn't. But the FBI says there was, and they got a box, so that's all we need to know.
mblaineo 6 months ago
@mblaineo
WTF, what game are you playing with ME?
I just GLANCED through September clues and I already found this bullsh*t about Mike Walter.
Not only did Mike Walter did NOT change his story, whoever edited his interview cut out the FIRST part where he STATES IT WAS AN AIRPLANE:
/watch?v=t1wQ2BJsgx0#t=25s
WHAT THE F*CK?! You say the GoV'T is misleading, that the GOV'T is lying, and then you do it yourself!
How the F*CK are you any better than them when you do that? HUH!?!
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
@Alaskaslim
I'd really recommend more than a glance at S.C. Best stuff is the analysis of the footage we were looking at that day. Turns out to be coming from some control room that's feeding it to the news. All totally fake. The explosions were real, the planes were added digitally. 9/11 was a U.S. military operation. Has to be the only force on earth that could turn those buildings into dust in mid-air. Some kind of satellite weapon presumably. Star Wars in action.
mblaineo 6 months ago
@mblaineo
I just pointed out where the video LIED, OUTRIGHT. If he feels the need to FAKE evidence to make his point, he's not worth listening to.
There's also that part about the helicopter camera and the "Steady background", bullsh*t, in 2001 they had the technology to keep the camera steady even has the helicopter moved about, something ELSE he lied about.
And Star Wars, SDI, is Vaporware, we went with something else, you fail.
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
@luvmyctd
We found out about the Stealth Planes 5 years before they were "announced" to the public, they were ALSO compartmentalize, built in the middle of the f*cking desert, and required a MINUSCULE amount of manpower next to what 9/11 would have taken.
9/11, unlike them, also occurred right in front of our f*cking faces, so your blanket excuse that "oh, it's simple compartmentalize", is BULLSHIT, hell it's pure FANTASY.
GO OUTSIDE, and learn how the damn world functions.
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
0:11 hot truth movement girls.
ZionistsRunTheGov 6 months ago
Just out of curiosity, what DO you think about the Missing Links documentary?
In my opinion (and im not racist), there were too many jews in the picture, and this fact cannot be washed away, and the fact that Israel has done this sort of thing before also cannot be washed away, i think (so far) the missing links documentary puts a cap stone on the whole event showing us the real players in the scenario.
Who gains was always on my mind. Israel got their way again in the middle east.
clitmint 6 months ago
AMEN!
wachenje 6 months ago
How many people are involved in the cover up?
nick271085 6 months ago
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@nick271085 "How many people are involved in the cover up?"
Pointless question of the Month
Tzimnewman3 6 months ago
@nick271085 Everything is so compartmentalized ... nobody would even know they even had anything to do with it. It's really rather simple if you control everything at the top. Very few would need to know the actual agenda or the role they played.
luvmyctd 6 months ago
@luvmyctd
No, that is NOT a valid argument.
No can BUILD a 140 foot missile, make look like an airplane, and think "Yeah, that's not suspicious".
No one can be asked to suddenly weaponize the HIGHLY experimental "Super thermite", and think "yeah, that's not odd."
No one can OVER WRITE ATC traffic records, and be forced,a long with 100s of others across 4 states, to discount what they saw on the radar screens that day, AND NOT BE F*CKING SUSPICIOUS.
Alaskaslim 6 months ago
Well done, thank you!
cuneeda1950 7 months ago
Watch out for "sock puppets" on YT. They are here. And if you don't know what a sock puppet is then your not doing your research
dobberdoss 7 months ago
Reality is for people that can't handle drugs, drugs are for people who can't handle reality. Conspiracies are completely different than blatant lies. If someone gets away with one lie, what's going to stop them from trying it again? If they get away with two lies, will they ever tell the truth again? G.Wad Bush almost had it, fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, but bush is a fool any way you cut it.
joebananatube 7 months ago
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yhenry77 7 months ago
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yhenry77 7 months ago
@363Magi - by being 'inclusive' - accepting we are not different we accept others for being 'human' too. I don't doubt that the government has lied to us about 9/11, nor do I doubt that they fore-knowledge, but until we have a criminal investigation and prove the case, justice can not be done by mere speculation. You play into the people who don't want you to know the truth by creating diversions to the truth, and making accusations about the Jews. doesn't get to the truth.
quietword333 7 months ago
@363Magi - Also foreign politics are extremely complex & to make everything a Jewish thing is an easy way out. Scapegoating is another form of propoganda - just look at how we blamed 'Muslims' for 9/11. It is not about who’s to blame. The solution has to be inclusive. Yes, we take responsibility in minimizing the pain and suffering of others through our actions.
quietword333 7 months ago
@363Magi - A long time ago I decided I wasn't going to blame any race, religion etc. for any particular issue. You know why? One day someone might 'blame' you for something because of your genes - and where does that lead? How would you 'feel' about that? Hatred begets more hatred. Because there are 'elites' as you call them in any form, creed - it's an 'attitude' not based on a particular 'genetic code.' peace to you or shalom
quietword333 7 months ago
The labels of creating an image of a 'nut-case' is easily done when you have individuals who 'rant' about 9/11. I know it's an emotional issue, don't get me wrong, I don't believe in the official report either - but I can't be a fan of Alex Jones. Honestly, IMHO he does more disservice with his 'infowars' than the CIA does.
That said, you're right on the money with techniques that can be used to undermine a movement. Always look closely at those who discredit the messenger - easy ploy.
quietword333 7 months ago
@quietword333 That's because Alex Jones is controlled opposition. e.x when he 'sneaked' into Bohemian Grove and caught there 'ritual' footage which he soon after sold to the same publications controlled by the 'elite'. Reason? They let him in. To think he played 007 to get that footage is silly. He is also Jewish and refuses to even own up to Jewish control of media, etc and the crimes of the state of Israel. It's pretty obvious he's a tool and his website is a tool for money and half truths.
363Magi 7 months ago
holy shit... actually i thought my english wasn't that bad... but i didn't get one of the comments on this page....i read bernays books both propaganda in german crystallzig a public opinion in english...but somehow...maybe i should take a nap...
pussypitcher 7 months ago
GREAT ARGUMENTS! GREAT INFORMATION. I HOPE MANY AMERICANS WILL LISTEN AND WATCH AND LEARN. IT'S BEEN TEN YEARS AND WE ARE STILL FACING PACK OF LIES BEING CRAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS AND WE SEEM TO NOT MIND. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO OUR PIONEER SPIRIT? WHY DO WE, STILL, NOT LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE.
eerginer 7 months ago
Actually, I'd love to have a scientific argument about 911. Let me know when you guys have some science.
MrMZaccone 7 months ago