@SeaSerpent50 Mostly on the Fall of Lucifer, with an assist from the Legend of Loki. But all religion (including Christianity) comes from the same prehistoric stories, so it's all the same thing, ultimately.
Clearly Melkor was Lucifer. I know how he became evil. He went into the Void and found all the bad ideas that Iluvatar had rejected and thrown out. Desperate to become more powerful, Melkor devoured all these, not knowing they were poison. He became more powerful, but the nightmares of Iluvatar which he ate ruined and corrupted him for the rest of eternity. Trying to make sense of the nonsense of Iluvatar's mistakes, he organized the System of Evil.
I was a bit surprised by your choice of music, but then I thought that there is no music anyway, that would fit into Tolkien's description.....So I think it doesn't matter which music you take, as long as it displays the story :-)
The book says they sang some as on pipes and lutes, and vials. So.........this is why it would be so hard to put this in cinema. It was a great music. Never does the Silmarillion say thaey were accapla, pure vocals!
no insult, but get it together man, the vallequenta is based on the Christian faith, melkor is Tolkien equivalent of lucifer/Satan/devil. How he practically became a fallen angel and the prime opposite of good?
fwiw the blarogs and 'wizards' were all 'ainuur' as well. Obviously the balrogs were corrupted before they ever came into the world. They are some of those mentioned, convinced by melkor to rebel.
Read up on your Norse and Finnish mythologies, WASP97. Tolkien drew heavily on these, though it is impossible to seperate the written product from his Catholic worldview. A singular synthesis, but a synthesis nonetheless. There is never a thought made that has not been thought before and, as Peter Wimsey said, the poets have said all there is to say.
if ur gonna ask about Jesus there really is no main comparison of Jesus in Tolkien lore, my example are Aragorn return of the king idk..ganfalf the white..frodo u can say is like David..when galadriel says "even the smallest person can change the course of the future." those are bible and tolkien lore comparisons
this is just like the Bible if yall know, satan was the leader of the chorus of the angels...melkor=lufifer..then morgoth=satan Eru Lluvatar= God and his Valar are the High ranked angels of God...Maiar are the servents= Prophets of God, remember Sauron was a Maia he was seduced by Melkor, Sauron= False Prophet..Tolkien based alot of his work on the Christian religion..
Tolkien got his setting, the flavor and atmosphere of his work if you like, from the mythology of northern Europe--Celtic, Germanic and Finnish. But his THEMES are rooted in his Catholic faith. Arda is not meant to be a pure fictional fantasy world: it is a "sub-created" mythic past of the real world, and as such for Tolkien it had to prefigure Christianity.
@MassCityGent Judaism and Christianity come from the exact same sources as Celtic, Germanic and Finnish myth, and indeed all the different beliefs in the World. It is all One. Yahweh is just the Hebrew Cronos or Bran. His name is identical to the Roman Jove. When monotheism emerged, all the gods simply became angels. There is absolutely no clash here. Michael was a god before he was an angel. He was Mithra.
@MassCityGent Remember, the Norse gods had an Overgod named Alfadur, who created the Universe. The Aesir and Vanir were simply the Norse way of conceptualizing Angels (spirits under One God).
holy shit i noticed somthing today think of all simarillion stuff theirs alot eh well i little much detail for one person to think of jrr tolkien created this whole entire world universe seams kinda strange well if you think it makes alot of sense i think it is real
Please tell me about this guitar music... is it your own, or a publicly available artist? Thank-you for realizing your idea and posting it. It's an amazing passage of literature and deserves recognition and public forum.
Who do you think Sauron was? And the balrogs? Most of his minions were either Ainur or their corrupted descendants dragons, werewolves, vampires, and possibly even orcs.
@0jerd And every single Valar and Maiar was there too. Who the hell do you think the Ainur are? Valar+Maiar, of course. Many Ainur stayed with Iluvatar, but the ones who went to earth were the Valar and Maiar! Don't you remeber seeing Manwe in this very video, you know, the king of the Valar? He is also known as Michael the Archangel.
@54markl Dude wtf are you doing? You replied on my comment, and now I had to look back what I wrote TWO FUCKING YEARS AGO. I can't even REMEMBER commenting on this vid... Not even seeing it.
And btw, EVERYTHING you say, is something I know already. Just wasting my time here...
Well, have a good time annoying others and spamming on this vid.
That was the joke, you had to see the episode. George thought up a comeback like a year after someone made a joke about him, and he was obsessed over telling it to the guy.
I am not trying to support the idea that Iluvatar was the "Big Bang". It would be retarted to do so seeing that this is a creation myth. However i do want people to watch my video and using "Big Bang" as opposed to "Creation" or the likes probably gets more traffic.
next time use creation cause then people will have that same contravorsal shit going on that the big bang was not a creation but just something that happened
@Closetscholar I really like this, its a shame people dont understand the beauty of what your trying to do. I see that the title is to grab atention (to the vid) and not literal.
@Closetscholar Iluvatar was God. Maybe the Music of the Ainur was the noise the Big Bang made when creation started. Tolkien's story does not contradict physics at all. Nor does it contradict religion. Many ancient religions say that God sang the Universe into existence. And Iluvatar says "Ea!" to make the Music real. That means "Let it be!"
@Closetscholar I understand what you're saying, but there does seem to have parallels with the many classic mythologies throughout the ages, including Christianity. All mythologies have used creation theories that defy science in order to explain how its world came to be. Greek mythology relied on the Titanomachy to explain how the world came to existence, while the Christianity relied on The Book of Genesis.
Well done. My 5 year old cousin made a slideshow just like this with pictures he also found on google... You two should get together and like, make more slideshows, then you could read a book right, as the vioce over...Well done...Really...
I made the movie so people who gave a damn could do something other than read the Silmarillion. And i didn't read the book as a voice over. And as far as i know this is the only attempt to depict the Ainulidalie.
Lovely. Of course, I'm going to be picky and say that you mispronounced a few of the words, such as Ilúvatar and Ainulindalë. but otherwise it was a nice tribute to Tolkien's works. I especially liked the period of dischord. Thanks for creating and posting this.
u idiot how do miracles happen huh??? there is a god your just to damned in your ways to see that, it's like a watch the peices don't just jump in there themselves, someone has to fit them in there and make it
Proud to be a Tolkienist.....
FightForRedAndWhite7 9 months ago
This would be biblical if spoken to a primitive mind.
Oraphonic 1 year ago
@aznflipgrl Because God caused the Big Bang, duh.
54markl 1 year ago
@CanadaGEM You can't prove atheism, any more than you can prove belief.
54markl 1 year ago
@wrigersc He's in another dimension, but he intervenes for Evil every day.
54markl 1 year ago
@SeaSerpent50 Maybe this is Tolkien's way of saying all religion and legend comes from a Common Source.
54markl 1 year ago
@SeaSerpent50 Mostly on the Fall of Lucifer, with an assist from the Legend of Loki. But all religion (including Christianity) comes from the same prehistoric stories, so it's all the same thing, ultimately.
54markl 1 year ago
Clearly Melkor was Lucifer. I know how he became evil. He went into the Void and found all the bad ideas that Iluvatar had rejected and thrown out. Desperate to become more powerful, Melkor devoured all these, not knowing they were poison. He became more powerful, but the nightmares of Iluvatar which he ate ruined and corrupted him for the rest of eternity. Trying to make sense of the nonsense of Iluvatar's mistakes, he organized the System of Evil.
54markl 1 year ago
Is it an Andy Mckee Song?
alexboissonnault 1 year ago
You are so sad :) xxx
Glen64307 1 year ago
andy mckee :D
neven4dugave 1 year ago
alot of the music is Michael Hedges - great stuff
danielkessler1 2 years ago
As a Tolkein reader and fan, I really enjoyed this. Thanks very much!
shaunm1963 2 years ago
Nice video!
I was a bit surprised by your choice of music, but then I thought that there is no music anyway, that would fit into Tolkien's description.....So I think it doesn't matter which music you take, as long as it displays the story :-)
Zeobit 2 years ago
@Zeobit Probably some kind of Classical music would be best.
54markl 1 year ago
mostly of the pictures are real nebula's in space
dommel102 2 years ago
Lotr is a separate world from the cruelty of the world...
xxAtlantianKnightxx 2 years ago
@xxAtlantianKnightxx It was a separate dimension of our world. After the Fall of Numinor (Atlantis), Iluvatar made it our world.
54markl 1 year ago
yEAH!!!!!!!!!!!
hahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!
theFoxthatTalks 2 years ago
Go to yahoo and type in Ainulindale. There is a picture of Melkor banging on drums...GO CHECK IT OUT!
MasterThibodeaux 2 years ago
He neded metal. wtf is this redneck shit
ConstantC4 2 years ago
and i bet it was metal
ConstantC4 2 years ago
The big sing.
BASSment7al7 2 years ago 6
very good attempt. Better than some of these people who have done nothing!
Chakotay024 2 years ago
The book says they sang some as on pipes and lutes, and vials. So.........this is why it would be so hard to put this in cinema. It was a great music. Never does the Silmarillion say thaey were accapla, pure vocals!
Chakotay024 2 years ago
beautiful!!! The Silmarilion is my bible (without offending)and Tulkas is my favorite Valar
anitaloveskeane2 3 years ago 3
no insult, but get it together man, the vallequenta is based on the Christian faith, melkor is Tolkien equivalent of lucifer/Satan/devil. How he practically became a fallen angel and the prime opposite of good?
NinjaBurglar 3 years ago
This is close to the truth. His faith was a guiding line he used to incorporate many different things and ancient myths and traditions.
Chakotay024 2 years ago
Hmm you have to say it more in "Tolkien style" in stead of a documentary... Oh and you say Ilúvatar wrong, it's elvish not english...
0jerd 3 years ago
This music is wrong. The music, as I always thought it was, was the sounds of nature in every form it had.
mushu144 3 years ago
Comparisons of God, Lucifurs' revolt, and creation
JDBW 4 years ago
These are some absolutely gorgeous pictures. Where did you find them all?
A very nicely done video that makes me want to read Silmarillion (well, I already did, but this makes me want to go out and read it NOW).
lunarmercury17 4 years ago
some are fractals, others are pictures of galaxies and stuff.
ingolifs 4 years ago
fwiw the blarogs and 'wizards' were all 'ainuur' as well. Obviously the balrogs were corrupted before they ever came into the world. They are some of those mentioned, convinced by melkor to rebel.
redbeakman 4 years ago
"melkors a faggot cocksucker!"
Orcs shouldn't post when they're drunk...
Nimadan 4 years ago
Read up on your Norse and Finnish mythologies, WASP97. Tolkien drew heavily on these, though it is impossible to seperate the written product from his Catholic worldview. A singular synthesis, but a synthesis nonetheless. There is never a thought made that has not been thought before and, as Peter Wimsey said, the poets have said all there is to say.
amkaen 4 years ago
if ur gonna ask about Jesus there really is no main comparison of Jesus in Tolkien lore, my example are Aragorn return of the king idk..ganfalf the white..frodo u can say is like David..when galadriel says "even the smallest person can change the course of the future." those are bible and tolkien lore comparisons
ballinking32 4 years ago
this is just like the Bible if yall know, satan was the leader of the chorus of the angels...melkor=lufifer..then morgoth=satan Eru Lluvatar= God and his Valar are the High ranked angels of God...Maiar are the servents= Prophets of God, remember Sauron was a Maia he was seduced by Melkor, Sauron= False Prophet..Tolkien based alot of his work on the Christian religion..
ballinking32 4 years ago
did he??or is it simply that christainity is based on paganism witch is were tolkien got his ideas
devilcrusher2 4 years ago
Tolkien got his setting, the flavor and atmosphere of his work if you like, from the mythology of northern Europe--Celtic, Germanic and Finnish. But his THEMES are rooted in his Catholic faith. Arda is not meant to be a pure fictional fantasy world: it is a "sub-created" mythic past of the real world, and as such for Tolkien it had to prefigure Christianity.
MassCityGent 3 years ago
@MassCityGent Judaism and Christianity come from the exact same sources as Celtic, Germanic and Finnish myth, and indeed all the different beliefs in the World. It is all One. Yahweh is just the Hebrew Cronos or Bran. His name is identical to the Roman Jove. When monotheism emerged, all the gods simply became angels. There is absolutely no clash here. Michael was a god before he was an angel. He was Mithra.
54markl 1 year ago
@MassCityGent Remember, the Norse gods had an Overgod named Alfadur, who created the Universe. The Aesir and Vanir were simply the Norse way of conceptualizing Angels (spirits under One God).
54markl 1 year ago
holy shit i noticed somthing today think of all simarillion stuff theirs alot eh well i little much detail for one person to think of jrr tolkien created this whole entire world universe seams kinda strange well if you think it makes alot of sense i think it is real
WASP97 4 years ago
@WASP97 I think it's real too. Always have. The book of Genesis says "There were giants in those days."
54markl 1 year ago
Interesting concept, enjoyed it very much. Very nicely done
civil42806 4 years ago
nevermind.... i just saw the credits, Andy Mckee
sanmarcos2552 4 years ago
Please tell me about this guitar music... is it your own, or a publicly available artist? Thank-you for realizing your idea and posting it. It's an amazing passage of literature and deserves recognition and public forum.
sanmarcos2552 4 years ago
hmm. i wonder what you'll be thinking when you suddenly find yourself BURNING. azn don't listen to him he messed up dumbass going to hell
tastetherainbow55 4 years ago
I like this, after reading the Silmarillon, I aways wondered what an illustration of the begining of that book might look like. gj :)
elgatito 4 years ago
I thought Melkor was the only one who revolted, I don't remember him convincing other Ainur to revolt.
SlipknoTXXIV 4 years ago
that's true, he only messed up some maiar (maia) and elves...and men as well...
dispatcherperu 4 years ago
No during the beginning music people joined Melkor in his revolt. This wasn't a kill stuff revolt but a sing your own song revolt.
Closetscholar 4 years ago 2
@Closetscholar like rock and metal.
mij194 1 year ago
@Closetscholar so they wear like the first real rock band... just going against all the rules.
drummer059 1 year ago
@drummer059 No, rock music is good. The music of Melkor was discordant noise, hateful to any ear. Think of squealing brakes and a car collision.
54markl 1 year ago
@Closetscholar
More like he wanted to be the conductor.
SovereignStatesman 7 months ago
Also, when he used the term Ainur, you have to remember that Ainur means both the Valar and the Maiar.
pezfam 4 years ago
he got other ainur to make the music with him
ballinking32 4 years ago
@ballinking32 Sauron was the most important Ainu that he corrupted.
54markl 1 year ago
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54markl 1 year ago
@SlipknoTXXIV Millions and millions of Ainur followed him. Sauron and the Balrogs were the most important ones. They were right there.
54markl 1 year ago
@SlipknoTXXIV
Who do you think Sauron was? And the balrogs? Most of his minions were either Ainur or their corrupted descendants dragons, werewolves, vampires, and possibly even orcs.
SovereignStatesman 7 months ago
yah!
kungfufreak5 4 years ago
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0jerd 4 years ago
@0jerd Sauron was right there, helping Melkor make his Evil Noise.
54markl 1 year ago
@0jerd And every single Valar and Maiar was there too. Who the hell do you think the Ainur are? Valar+Maiar, of course. Many Ainur stayed with Iluvatar, but the ones who went to earth were the Valar and Maiar! Don't you remeber seeing Manwe in this very video, you know, the king of the Valar? He is also known as Michael the Archangel.
54markl 1 year ago
@54markl Dude wtf are you doing? You replied on my comment, and now I had to look back what I wrote TWO FUCKING YEARS AGO. I can't even REMEMBER commenting on this vid... Not even seeing it.
And btw, EVERYTHING you say, is something I know already. Just wasting my time here...
Well, have a good time annoying others and spamming on this vid.
Srsly,
0jerd 1 year ago
@0jerd Well at least you remember now.
54markl 1 year ago
@54markl No offence, but you're an asshole
Im just sayin
0jerd 1 year ago
@0jerd
"Yeah, well the JERK-store called.... they're running outta YOU!"
--- Seinfeld
SovereignStatesman 7 months ago
@SovereignStatesman Lol nice man reacting on a comment from 9 months ago... I like the quote though :P
0jerd 7 months ago
@0jerd
That was the joke, you had to see the episode. George thought up a comeback like a year after someone made a joke about him, and he was obsessed over telling it to the guy.
SovereignStatesman 7 months ago
@SovereignStatesman Haha don't know from what show it is, but that's a good one (:
0jerd 7 months ago
@0jerd
It says right in the quote, it's from "Seinfeld."
SovereignStatesman 7 months ago
Beautiful job. Very Very creative. Thanks for doing this !
DavidT2012 4 years ago
The Big Bang Theory?! Are you serious? This is a slap in the face to Tolkien himself! Shame on you.
wutru 4 years ago
I am not trying to support the idea that Iluvatar was the "Big Bang". It would be retarted to do so seeing that this is a creation myth. However i do want people to watch my video and using "Big Bang" as opposed to "Creation" or the likes probably gets more traffic.
Closetscholar 4 years ago
next time use creation cause then people will have that same contravorsal shit going on that the big bang was not a creation but just something that happened
ballinking32 4 years ago
@Closetscholar I really like this, its a shame people dont understand the beauty of what your trying to do. I see that the title is to grab atention (to the vid) and not literal.
Well may the hair on your feet never fall off.
1andycody 1 year ago
@Closetscholar Iluvatar was God. Maybe the Music of the Ainur was the noise the Big Bang made when creation started. Tolkien's story does not contradict physics at all. Nor does it contradict religion. Many ancient religions say that God sang the Universe into existence. And Iluvatar says "Ea!" to make the Music real. That means "Let it be!"
54markl 1 year ago
@Closetscholar I understand what you're saying, but there does seem to have parallels with the many classic mythologies throughout the ages, including Christianity. All mythologies have used creation theories that defy science in order to explain how its world came to be. Greek mythology relied on the Titanomachy to explain how the world came to existence, while the Christianity relied on The Book of Genesis.
jstephenj 1 year ago
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54markl 1 year ago
@wutru If you don't believe in the Big Bang, you are an ignoramus. God created the Universe using the Big Bang. Maybe it made a musical sound.
54markl 1 year ago
@wutru Why is it a slap in the face to Tolkien?
PassionatelyPurple 1 year ago
lol
waw460 4 years ago
Well done. My 5 year old cousin made a slideshow just like this with pictures he also found on google... You two should get together and like, make more slideshows, then you could read a book right, as the vioce over...Well done...Really...
Matrichens 4 years ago
I made the movie so people who gave a damn could do something other than read the Silmarillion. And i didn't read the book as a voice over. And as far as i know this is the only attempt to depict the Ainulidalie.
Closetscholar 4 years ago 3
Lovely. Of course, I'm going to be picky and say that you mispronounced a few of the words, such as Ilúvatar and Ainulindalë. but otherwise it was a nice tribute to Tolkien's works. I especially liked the period of dischord. Thanks for creating and posting this.
tapnerd 4 years ago
u idiot how do miracles happen huh??? there is a god your just to damned in your ways to see that, it's like a watch the peices don't just jump in there themselves, someone has to fit them in there and make it
Firejack95 5 years ago
Quite a strange idea to make Valars play guitar :D
Haludek 5 years ago
@Haludek The Silmarillion said lutes. Guitars are a kind of lute.
54markl 1 year ago
This is magnificent. I've not yet read the Silmarillion, but you made me want to even more...
Verry beautifull combination of Words and music, and so fitting...
Work on your fading out, though... you might start talking while the mustc is still fading so as to not go to complete silence
5 Stars for this one
CoachK87 5 years ago
Yes. No need to be rude after all.
miklosselkirk 5 years ago
just a connection to the beginning of the universe
sorry to offend...
Closetscholar 5 years ago