@dicky guapo: The laws you make are man-made. They're just fictively attributed to Allah as their source. Every religion from time immemorial claims its moral precepts are divine in origin, revealed from on high. But scholars of world religion can demonstrate that they are all of human origin, all follow a similar evolution. Epistemologically, you'd be hard-pressed to furnish the what you deem God's morality is self-evidently from God and not of man's doing.
this guy is only able to express his position because we live in a liberal democracy. a couple of hundred years ago the country wasnt and opinions like his were punishable by death. thankfully we have evolved, its just a shame this forms of irrational faith-based thinking haven't, and probably wont.
@dickyguapo because we muslim accept the fact that we are not sovereign being to make laws for us and choose whatever way of life instead we gratefully submit our will to the Almight creator who is the source of life and honour. the fundamental difference between so called liberal secular democrat and muslim is nothing but submission to the Creator. just analysis the meaning of two words islam and secularism.
@Experiment47 yeah then they will conduct illegal war of their own and spend 45 million quid a day on their equivalent of the European Union, really dreamy stuff... can't wait
@Experiment47 No its 16.39 billion quid a year according to the UK gross contribution from 2008. If you take one billion as equalling a thousand million that adds up to about 45 million quid a day. Of course this is due to go up to over a cool 9 billion NET contribution, currently being 'negotiated'.
@Experiment47 No that's cool, I just don't like the look of our future in the West at the moment, not that I'd rather be living under an Islamic regime either.
In some elections, majorities are choosing THEIR form of religious Sharia rule, as Khan says.
However freedom for those of minority Muslim faiths and more secular Muslims is overruled by the majority, often with addl violence. This example of pure majority rule is rejected by Enlightenment values in America, which makes a strong effort to protect minority rights (at least on our soil), very imperfectly, and unfortunately also extending to non-human corporations with a neoliberal econ agenda..
@dicky guapo: The laws you make are man-made. They're just fictively attributed to Allah as their source. Every religion from time immemorial claims its moral precepts are divine in origin, revealed from on high. But scholars of world religion can demonstrate that they are all of human origin, all follow a similar evolution. Epistemologically, you'd be hard-pressed to furnish the what you deem God's morality is self-evidently from God and not of man's doing.
apologeticacattolica 10 months ago 2
Just type: YOUTUBE(.)COM like you normally do, then copy and paste this next to it:
/watch?v=XGe2IsfM6wk
AbuAbdullahUK 10 months ago
Learn more about Hizb ut tahrir, here:
/watch?v=XGe2IsfM6wk
Or type: Abu Khadeejah on Hizb ut-Tahrir Taqi ud-Din an-Nabahani Khawarij Takfir Sufi (on the search bar)
AbuAbdullahUK 10 months ago
i was waiting for the cretin who said johann was bringing nothing to the debate and was only interested in attacking islam.
WHAT AN IDIOT YOU ARE.
serappia 11 months ago
this guy is only able to express his position because we live in a liberal democracy. a couple of hundred years ago the country wasnt and opinions like his were punishable by death. thankfully we have evolved, its just a shame this forms of irrational faith-based thinking haven't, and probably wont.
Lukeeeeo 1 year ago 3
Throughout the whole debate, the muslim did not deny that the stoning of apostates, women and gays was not part of his beliefs.
dickyguapo 1 year ago 11
@dickyguapo Indeed! He just tried to deflect the argument to other issues...
vp1981ad 1 year ago
@dickyguapo because we muslim accept the fact that we are not sovereign being to make laws for us and choose whatever way of life instead we gratefully submit our will to the Almight creator who is the source of life and honour. the fundamental difference between so called liberal secular democrat and muslim is nothing but submission to the Creator. just analysis the meaning of two words islam and secularism.
vlad013 1 year ago
Just leave the Middle East alone, they'll catch up in a couple centuries.
Experiment47 1 year ago
@Experiment47 yeah then they will conduct illegal war of their own and spend 45 million quid a day on their equivalent of the European Union, really dreamy stuff... can't wait
chrish12345 1 year ago
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Experiment47 1 year ago
@Experiment47 No its 16.39 billion quid a year according to the UK gross contribution from 2008. If you take one billion as equalling a thousand million that adds up to about 45 million quid a day. Of course this is due to go up to over a cool 9 billion NET contribution, currently being 'negotiated'.
chrish12345 1 year ago
@chrish12345 LOL Like I care.
Experiment47 1 year ago
@Experiment47 No that's cool, I just don't like the look of our future in the West at the moment, not that I'd rather be living under an Islamic regime either.
chrish12345 1 year ago
In some elections, majorities are choosing THEIR form of religious Sharia rule, as Khan says.
However freedom for those of minority Muslim faiths and more secular Muslims is overruled by the majority, often with addl violence. This example of pure majority rule is rejected by Enlightenment values in America, which makes a strong effort to protect minority rights (at least on our soil), very imperfectly, and unfortunately also extending to non-human corporations with a neoliberal econ agenda..
dilbertgeg 2 years ago
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dilbertgeg 2 years ago
watch him describing american politics at last, much sense.
ymatru 2 years ago
The moderator is as deluded as the fundie, there is no difference except that one of them takes his fantasy a bit further.
PunkCheerleaderBetch 2 years ago
To add to Johann's point, Pakistan general election 2008: Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal Pakistan, the Islamist coalition, got a pathetic 2.2 % of the vote.
The other countries mentioned by Sajjad Khan and not addressed by Hari do not hold elections that are genuine enough to be worth consideration.
PinkoPapist89 2 years ago 5