Response to "How to treat a Calvinist" by Monica Dennington part 1

[WITNESSMINISTRIES]

(Part 1 of 2) Christ said do NOT think I came to bring came to bring pease into the world but a sward! [ of the (true) gospel! ] We are either with him (obedient to his gospel) or against him and his gospel on the road to pardition following a false gospel weather it is of the world, false Christianity or a false religion all together!

[WITNESSMINISTRIES]

(Part 2) All those who do NOT obey the true gospel are against Christ and are false Christians our outright un-believers (unless or un-till they repent of there un-belief)

[WITNESSMINISTRIES]

(Part 1 of 4) One MUST follow Christ and his Word ALONE! NOT another in his/Christ's name such as John Calvin (NO matter how right someone may feel John Calvin is!) Repent! For to follow John Calvin is NOT to follow Jesus Christ!

[WITNESSMINISTRIES]

(Part 2) He is NOT Jesus Christ!) Following other man's theology is NOT following Christ! And are also guilty of having a form of Godliness which leads to religion (NOT Christ) what the majority of a religion excepts as truth means NOTHING! IT IS NOT WRITTEN THAT JOHN CALVIN (nor Catholism...)

[WITNESSMINISTRIES]

(Part 3) IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE DOES IT?! NO IT DOES NOT! Why would anyone follow anyone other than Jesus Christ there is NO excuse for this whatsoever other than (they do NOT now Christ) they decide to follow men instead of God and made religious TRADITION instead of Christ! Christ said follow ME! (Calvin is NOT "ME") "ME" is Jesus Christ!

[WITNESSMINISTRIES]

(Part 4) The Lord said they put aside the Word of God (That Christ is the way the truth and the life) and keep there own traditions (follow who and do as they please). In VAIN do they worship me seas the Lord! Again MANY will say to me on that day Lord Lord...

[WITNESSMINISTRIES]

(Part 1) This is true! That is why Christ did NOT fellowship with the Pharisees he admonished them and preached the truth to them but let them go there own way (straight to hell) as Christ said to them "How can any of you escape damnation!"

[WITNESSMINISTRIES]

(Part 3) Abraham did NOT die and hang on a cross and pay there sin debit! The messiah did! And likewise neither did Calvin die on the cross for you Christ did! You are to follow Christ ALONE! (NOT John Calvin)

[prchdaword]

@WITNESSMINISTRIES so in another video you posted how important TRUTH was....my friend, you're comments here either display your ignorance of Calvinism and its adherence to Scripture OR your WILLFUL NEGLECT AND LIES of what Calvinism teaches....how can you call for one to "follow the truth" and yet not be a person of truth? Where is the character of our Lord in your plea? Did our Lord misrepresent his opponents in his debates with the Pharisees and Sadducees?

[prchdaword]

@WITNESSMINISTRIES I think you can look at my videos and compare how many times i quote John Calvin vs. how many times I quote from Scripture....I think you'll find that your understanding is ill informed and misguided about Calvinist and Calvinism....that is my challenge to you my friend

[prchdaword]

@WITNESSMINISTRIES I think you'll also find that I called Monica Dennington to acknowledge the TRUTH of PREDESTINATION as taught in many Scriptures throughout the New Testament in his video in particular =)

[blicksflicks]

Honestly, from the beginning, my flesh didn't wish to accept the doctrines of grace. However, I believe the Bible is God's infallible Word, and as a result, I looked at what the Bible had to say. I was hoping the Bible would debunk the doctrines of grace. Perhaps the election wasn't true. Alas! After much studying and seeking the truth regardless if my flesh wished to accept it, I solemnly and honesty affirm that Calvinism is correct except for Limited Atonement. In the end, I'm a four pointer.

[prchdaword]

@blicksflicks LOL!!! YOu sure you didn't find that L in like Matthew 1:21, or Hebrews 1:3....or John 10?? Or Ephesians 5?? =P

[blicksflicks]

@prchdaword Well, Calvinists do make an extremely strong case for Limited Atonement. However, I just haven't become scripturally comfortable with Limited Atonement. But, give it some time. I use to feel the same way about the rest of TULIP. Besides, there's nothing wrong with a four-point Calvinist, right? I mean, we can agree to disagree. :)

[prchdaword]

@blicksflicks certainly my friend!! =)

[blicksflicks]

@prchdaword I have been thinking about it, and Limited Atonement makes complete sense. If Jesus took the wrath for the sins of God's elect, then those sins can never be punished again. The justice of God would not allow for sins to be punished twice. Therefore, limited atonement has to be true, because the elect's sin debt has been paid in full by Jesus. Therefore, if many people are going to be lost, then it necessarily follows that Jesus did not pay everyone's sin debt. :)

[prchdaword]

@blicksflicks that is pretty sounds thinking from Scripture....also if you consider Hebrews 1:3 that says Christ sat down after making atonement for sins, means his work is final and complete....it does not need to be added to in order to be effective, it is finished even as Jesus agonizingly yelled from the Cross...He is truly our High Priest before God =)

[blicksflicks]

@prchdaword Also, if someone does truly believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation--calling themselves a Christian--they should realize the powerful nature of the high calling upon their lives. They should definitely follow in the steps of Jesus and try to live by His Word. They should seek to obey Him, because there's no greater calling than to be one of God's elect. I really would like to be saved. I believe, but I've sinned much. I really want to be saved and to be at peace inside.

[prchdaword]

@blicksflicks I think Christians sin more than they realize....becoming a Christian doesn't mean we are somehow raised beyond sinning...when we become Christians, now a real war starts...before we were in Satan's Kingdom and he didn't have to fight for us, but now in God's kingdom he wages war against us in Christ. Don't be discouraged....remember the cross and no sin can undo it....if you believe that Jesus is the Christ you will be saved so hold to your confession and keep looking to Him.

[blicksflicks]

@prchdaword Well, the Word does say that "he who believes on Him will not be ashamed" (Romans 10:11), and it also says that "he who believes on Him is not condemned" (John 3:18). And, if we believe on Him for our salvation, placing our trust and faith in Him as Lord to save us (resting in the power of the cross), then we are saved to the uttermost, and no one's going to trust and believe on Christ Jesus unless they're the elect. :) It means if we believe, we will be saved to the uttermost.

[prchdaword]

@blicksflicks Amen my friend...I don't think Christ can save any other way except to the uttermost!!! All Glory to Him!!!

[blicksflicks]

@prchdaword Even though I don't know if I'm saved, it brings me a certain peace to know that God's elect will be saved no matter what. That means if I'm God's elect, my salvation will happen no matter what, for my hand is not involved in the matter. God is completely in control. I really pray I will be saved. I really want to be saved. If someone told me I could go pick up my salvation today, I would definitely go get it, because I know Jesus is Lord and that He is indeed risen. :(

[newbirth35]

@blicksflicks "However, I just haven't become scripturally comfortable with Limited Atonement. But, give it some time. I use to feel the same way about the rest of TULIP. Besides, there's nothing wrong with a four-point Calvinist, right? I mean, we can agree to disagree. :) "

That's exactly how I feel. I haven't quite become comfortable with Limited Atonement, but the other 4 points are quite Biblical. But - I'm open, and may change my mind in the future. Only a year ago I denied all 5 points.

[lilrat489]

i simply do not understand why there is division. both arminians and calvinist agree on one thing. that is that Jesus is the way to salvation. lets focus on that.we all agree salvation is by faith alone. and if both believe in Christ then what is the problem. we only differ on God's providence and mans free will.

[MODERATECALVINISM]

John 16:33

"I have told you these things so that in me you may have peace"

[Dwrancho144]

did God have foreknowledge of the future before he predestined it ???

[prchdaword]

@Dwrancho144 This is an interesting question...in the Bible God foreknows people, not events. Also, "predestination" per se is used to describe the destination of people to be conformed to Christ.....If I understand your question correctly, you want to know if God had knowledge of what he was going to be before he choose to do it? It seems to be the case that He did for God is eternally omniscient and is never without knowledge of His own will. My best take on that.

[Dwrancho144]

doesn't the bible say he predestined things according to his foreknowledge

so did he chance something ?

because if he had knowledge of the future before he predestined the future then what did he predestine ???

[prchdaword]

@Dwrancho144 the verse you are referring to is I Peter 1:2 and, again, it is the elect are described as being so "according to the foreknowledge of God the Father"...again we see people, not events being "foreknown" and the word "predestine" is not used here. "foreknowledge" has to do with God's love, specifically his "pre-love" or "pre-knowledge" of persons as they come to exist in time. This means that God loved them before they even existed, or only existed in the eternal mind of God.

[prchdaword]

@Dwrancho144 the idea of "predestination" is that God determined the goal, or the end, to which we are being taken. Specifically, we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ according to Romans 8:29-30. In other words, God had an end in mind before the elect existed....our destination is to be in the image of Christ

hope that helps a bit

[prchdaword]

@Dwrancho144 God is aware of not only the end but the means to get to that end. If God were not in control of the means to the end, on what basis can he "know" or guarantee that He will bring about the end?

God knows the future because he decrees it. So in know way does God "learn" the future by seeing it happen first and then knowing....rather it would seem to be the case that God's decree for creation serves as a basis for his knowledge of creation.

[tgillspy]

Hey preach the word that is actually what we need to do -in all the world.

The letter 1 John speaks emphatically concerning Jesus christ that " he is the propitiation for our sins and not for our sins only but also for the sins of the whole world." The folly therefore of stating that there is a limited atonement for only the elect shows how deceitful reformed teaching truly is.....

[prchdaword]

@tgillspy not at all....should you ever decide to read the passage in all its context, you will see that it is simply stating that in all places at all times Jesus Christ is the propitiation of our sins and any one else who needs propitiation; Jesus Christ is that propitiation. What is deceptive of your position is to say that He IS the propitiation but then you have to tell the people in hell that Jesus was also their propitiation as equally...not the Greek verb "estin" is...present tense

[prchdaword]

@tgillspy ...how is Jesus NOW the propitiation of the sins of those in hell if they are themselves suffering their own penalty that you would say Christ made propitiation for????? The verse here is extending the forgiveness of God through the exclusivity of Christ...Christ alone, in all the world, (not just this particular community of believers) is the sole propitiation by which God's wrath is settled toward anybody. One cannot look to Buddha to be a propitiation or any other

[prchdaword]

@tgillspy ....deceptive? hardly!!! As spurgeon once said about Limited Atonement, the Arminian offers a wide bridge that does not actually cross the intended gap...the Calvinist offers a narrow bridge by which one may cross the gulf of sin all the way to God.

Exegetically, you need to deal with the actuallity of the propitiation not a potential one....the Greek verb translated "is" is against your position unless you want to espouse a universalism. How is Christ presently the propitiation ?

[prchdaword]

In the context too we see how the believer is able to approach God ever and always in the light of the fact that Christ is and remains the propitiation for our sins....because he is our propitiation, we have a basis for I John 1:9 that we can confess our sins and be forgiven because Christ IS the propitiation...God does not direct his wrath toward us...it was directed at Christ already....it is on the basis of Jesus' death as a REAL AND EFFECTUAL PROPITIATION that Christ intercedes....

[prchdaword]

@tgillspy "But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate...." you notice that v1 connects the efficacy of the intercession of Christ with the efficacy of the atonement (propitiation) that Christ made....should the efficacy of Christ atonement be based on something else, then so also must the efficacy of the intercession of Christ be based upon that....what assurance does that leave you before God? What assurance that you must fulfill perfectly before Christ can intercede for you ???

[prchdaword]

@tgillspy consider these things my friend.....the question has been asked...Did he or didn't He? Did Christ make a full and real atonement to the Father or is it still lacking for its efficacy?

[tgillspy]

@prchdaword Question- What do you think happened before the fall of man? Was it not that the serpent sought to distract eve by luring her into temptation by getting her eyes off of God? It was this of course but was it not also this that the serpent deceived her by causing her to doubt Gods word.?The fall of man was not of God- neither was it predestined to be so by a holy God.It was the man and women who were surely to be blamed for their defiant and blatant rebellion.It didnt have to happen.

[prchdaword]

@tgillspy So then the questions you need to deal with is why in God's own creation did it? Is not God the ruler, governor and sovereign administator of His own creation? In God's eternal omniscience, didn't God know it would happen and yet he still choose to create the world and let it?

This is not to say that man is not responsible for their own sin, but to say that "it did not have to happen" now raises questions about the power of God, and really, the "Godness" of God over his creation.

[prchdaword]

@tgillspy Or is it your position that God has no omniscience of the future? that is, are you an Open Theist?

[tgillspy]

@prchdaword What I am stating is that the LORD God created man and woman perfect in his foreknowledge not sinful in his foreknowledge....

[2thes213]

Amen, I laughed out loud when I watched Monica's video. She must have skipped Titus 3:9 "foolish contreversies". It is not foolish to engage people that feel do to there exceptional decision making, they chose God. It's not foolish to point out the error that God is some old man wringing his hands hoping and praying almighty man will choose him. Ms Dennington needs to repent. Monica and other Arminians exault their human reason, over God's revelation.

[silmalila]

Excellent video, Moses.

Well-thought out, concise, and full of Truth. Too bad she has cut herself off from those of us who rightly divide the word of truth.

Brother, I would appreciate your comments at my blog, which I have linked your first video refutation to...

[silmalila]

She has no clue what John Calvin taught.

Imagine her debating James White.

Hahahahahahahahahaha!

8^o

[silmalila]

I hate to say this, but I would love to slap that smile right off her smug face.

Is she not aware that Calvinism is not heretical, but Arminianism is?

She has nothing on Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel.

PS Sorry for the unbecoming comment I made, but she has seriously done something which I find most heinous!

[dwoods828]

Four-point Calvinism finds the other four points of Arminianism to be unbiblical. Romans 3:10-18 strongly argues for total depravity. Conditional election underemphasizes Gods sovereignty (Romans 8:28-30). Resistible grace underestimates the power and determination of God. Conditional salvation makes salvation a work rather than a gift of grace (Ephesians 2:8-10). Although there are problems with both systems, Calvinism is far more biblically based than Arminianism.

[skalapunk]

"Although there are problems with both systems, Calvinism is far more biblically based than Arminianism. "

What problems do you find in Calvinism?

[dwoods828]

Calvinism V Arminianism.

Many believers arrive at some sort of mixture of the two views. Ultimately, it is viewed that both systems fail in that they attempt to explain the unexplainable.

Human beings are incapable of fully grasping a concept such as this. Yes, God is absolutely sovereign and knows all. Yes, human beings are called to make a genuine decision to place faith in Christ unto salvation. These two facts seem contradictory to us, but in the mind of God they make perfect sense.

[newjerus777]

Jesus strongly warns us in His words not to follow any sort of doctrines outside of the Bible. Now, I know you might think I follow Monica Dennington's crowd, but I don't, & I sure don't follow any other man but the my Lord & Savior Jesus. I'm not saying that all people who falls under the Calvinistic denomination are not true Christians as well as any other denominations. I've came out of denominationalism because there are, but one must eventually come out of all this & into true Christianity.

[newjerus777]

I have a question regarding the Calvinist; does the TULIP core doctrine agrees with the word of God? Because the doctrine of Calvinism have many errors in it from close research, esp. in the areas of the unconditional election, limited atonement, & irresistable grace. Basically, this whole TULIP doctrine false, so I have to agree with Monica on this one. Calvinism is just amongst many denominations that are doctrines of demons. All forms of heresy needs to be expose & that includes Calvinism.

[masterowa]

than you should not talk to us here. You should not listen to what we have to say nor even consider us Christians. Wesley was then rather rebellious to have Whitefield as a friend.

Read Calvin's work and maybe Spurgeon's or Whitefield's defence of Calvinism. They base it on the Bible. There are many misconceptions about Calvinism and they are the source of many accusations.

[prchdaword]

nice mention of Wesley and Whitefield....you know, that I understand Charles Wesley actually maintained the Calvinism that was in the Church of England even though John was pretty much "Evangelical Arminian"....just read some of Wesley's hymn and see the Calvinism in them

[Haukman66]

Amen brother prchdaword!! God bless.

[BondiHarry]

Where is the heresy? The heresy springs from denyng that Jesus offers salvation to ALL men, in denying that men have free will, in denying that men can fall from grace ... is this sufficient answer for your question prchdaword? Does it matter that you follow some of the tenants of God when you deny others that are critically important? A text without a context becomes a pretext ... keep that in mind.

[prchdaword]

If "denying that Jesus offers slavation to ALL men" is a heresy, then do you believe that Jesus offered salvation to those descendants of cain who never were promised salvation through the "seed of woman"? Is it your position that Jesus offered his salvation to those who never were partakers of the covenant of Israel whom alone God promised life and land?

Is it your position that all who died without hearing about Jesus EVER will get a second chance after death???

[BondiHarry]

prchdaword, use an internet search engine as there are many sites which address issues like those who died without hearing the gospel.  BTW, gentiles have been grafted into God's family although we were never partakers of the covenant with Israel. And please keep reading 1 Timothy 2 because when Paul speaks of all men, he means ALL men, not just rulers. Precept upon precept, line upon line my friend.

[prchdaword]

yes Gentiles have been grafted THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS AND HEARING THE GOSPEL.

Let's just face it, the Bible clearly teaches that apart from Christ there is no salvation and Scripture also says "It is appointed unto man once to die, then to judgement" (Heb 9:27)...those who died not having heard died, not as innocent, but as guilty sinner and idolaters (see Romans 1:18-32)...."all without excuse..."

So is it your position that God fails to save all men?

[prchdaword]

Is it your position that Jesus Christ died equally for the saved person in heaven today as well as for the lost person in hell? What made them to differ? Was it their will? Is that was made us to differ? then?

"for consider your calling brothers, not many of you were wise according to the wordly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But GOD CHOSE what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; GOD CHOSE what is weak in the world to shame the strong....

[prchdaword]

...GOD CHOSE what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God. AND BECAUSE OF HIM YOU ARE IN CHRIST JESUS, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption, so that as it is written, "Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord," " (I Cor. 1:26-31)

[prchdaword]

Now, in the end you still did not wish to either say that God gives them a chance (which would be heretical) or that God does not (which would basically disprove your original premise....which I think might be the case....what is your position in this issue...not the internets ;)

[BondiHarry]

If you prefer a response in 500 word increments so be it. Read 1 Timothy 1,4&6 ... Christ died for all men. My position is what God tells us in the Bible. What is the difference between those who are saved and those who are not? BELIEF! And if we believe we will do as God commands and enables us to do. There is not a person past, present or future who has an excuse for not believing that God is or failing to understand the nature of God. All men are given a chance Romans 1:18-20.

[prchdaword]

How are men given a chance to believe the Gospel?

According to Romans 1:18-20....men are aware of God's existence and cannot deny that, but is God's existence the same as understanding the person and work of Jesus Christ??

Now, in regards to "belief"...are we responsible for this from our "free will"? If so, is it us that makes us to differ from the saved and the not saved and not God?

[prchdaword]

Don't take offense to me not looking on the net...its just that if I look on the net, I will get many answers that are not necessarily what you believe which is what I am seeking to understand....

Can you sum it up in a sentence or two?

[prchdaword]

yes...pretext...Speaking of which...the expression "fall from grace" was not used in Scripture to mean "lose your salvation" but rather to mean that one has exchanged the "grace alone/faith alone" principle for one of "legalism"....See Galatians 5:4

[RedBeetle]

prchdaword:

"She's looking at names only. She's not realizing it's the content of what's in there"

Excellent! Calvinism is a subject term. What matters is what one predicates on this subject term. Shakespeare said, "A rose by any other name is still the same," and he was absolutely right.

The question: What is Calvinism?

I answer, "Calvinism is the logical, grammatical, contextual, and literal interpretation of the Bible alone."

That is, Calvinism is Christianity!

God bless!

[fruitofspirit]

AMEN - I pointed that out in my vid, too - she must define HOW Calvinism is unblibical. But since that's impossible, she's opted to just tell everyone to stay away from people who really know the Word of God.

[ChristianTULIP]

The only thing more annoying than the nonsense she's spewing against the doctrines of Grace is that Terrible "trippy" intro music! As if she thinks the gospel is some LSD trip or something. Ghastly stuff! Is she singing that?

[ChristianTULIP]

I'm curious as to why she sent me a friend request and then make it sound like Calvinists are seeking her out in her videos? Then on top of it to argue that Calvinists worship Calvin in violation of Paul's teaching not to label the gospel with teachers names:

1Cor3:4

4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? 5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?

Hypocrisy!

[agentorangetechno]

I notice that Monica really really likes to point her finger around.

Its kinda funny., again, and again. she points and points.

[FATMIME]

Holy Shamolie, this lady is...I better stop! Dude,, loved the Star Wars intro, that was classic! Have a great week.

Sincerely,

Your Fellow Heretic ; )

[agentorangetechno]

Haha!

I like that we are labled Heretic's!

Christ told us things would go that way.

Cheers my fellow Calvinist Heretics!

[prchdaword]

yea, I thought it was appropriate

[nickybadboy50]

I don't know if she is saved on not but it is obvious that she just misunderstands Calvinism. I was lost at her age as well. Calvinism is not for everyone, just anyone.

[ChristianTULIP]

That woman is a rebel. What Christian who subscribes to the Doctrines of Grace would look to have fellowship with her? What in the world is that space cadet talking about?

[FATMIME]

I gotta agree!

[silmalila]

...Sorry, but I started typing my response before fully watching your video. I see that you already had those scriptures convered.

Thank you so much brother! The flurry of anti-calvinist videos has been rather disturbing, and I am so happy to see the brethren standing up for the Truth!

...I really need to learn how to make videos...

[KarensFaith]

Great video, my brother, wise words. I have no idea what she thinks she's accomplishing here in doing these videos. I mean, she is the one being divisive. You are making excellent points here with your questions and explanations. God bless you! Now off to watch part two! :)

[silmalila]

I have not been able to watch Monica's videos, and I think its because the Lord was protecting me.

The only heretic I see here is Monica.

I am a BIBLICIST.

That is, I believe what is written in the Word. What does she make of Ephesians 1:4.5? What does she make of Romans 9?

... I feel like throwing popcorn at my own PC when you show her!

Forgive me Lord...

[silmalila]

*That is to say, her videos just will not play when I try to watch them. I have no problem with any other videos but hers.

I am glad for that!

[prchdaword]

LOL throw that popcorn!!

[silmalila]

It looks like someone from her contingent is coming here and downmoding comments.

That is really low...

Actually, I would like to throw the popcorn at HER, I would only have to clean up if I threw at my PC!

:  )

[DefendingCalvinism]

Good job brother Moses. She is undoubtedly teaching that Calvinists are outside of the christian faith.

[StutteringDave]

The sad thing is that not only does Monica Dennington not understand Calvinism, she doesn't understand the concept of denominations in general. Why is she singling Calvinists out?

[prchdaword]

I hear ya....