Pr. Obama - $.62 Trillion Deficit Reduction with Health Care passage

[StartLoving2]

edwinmcq, I'll leave your comment here, talking about bullet in a video of our President, so that the Secret Service has time to find it, and you.

[gypsy1961]

I still have grave concerns over this and wonder how much of this is to tickle our ears, as what happened with the Nixon administration.

I hear a lot of "affordable health care" but I am not hearing about FREE health care for those too sick to work, our poor and our elderly.

In WA if you have children you can have medical if you're low income, but what about those young people on their own, what about those on the streets?

[kurtismaximus9]

Hey jackball. NOTHING is free. Somebody is paying for it.. what you think government will just pay for it? Government has no money until they TAKE money from you..taxes.

Medicare is for those who are very poor and elderly that cannot afford insurance.. THAT is their "free" healthcare. States have their own forms of this too.

Wa went deep in debt because of their "free" healthcare.

Hawaii had to limit theirs because of debt.

Same thing in Tennessee with Tenn care. bankrupting the state

[madamezora7]

Looks like a decent beginning after all. We can't expect it to solve all our problems at once- our government doesn't work that way at present- but this gives us a good starting point. I remain cautiously hopeful.

[StartLoving2]

Hey friend Madam... The "government?" WE sheeple are the government, and we've been spectating and armchair quarterbacking for 40 years now. "The killing will continue till we brothers and sisters take the field." Start Loving

[kixmet]

You are spot on!

[madamezora7]

Hey StartLoving- I keep hearing this, but in practise, it is not the case. WE the sheeple are NOT the government- not by a long shot! A bunch of bloated, self-interested millionaires are in control of every aspect of our government, and it's long overdue that we wake up to this reality. We have very little control or authority over anything, that's just how it is at this moment.

Could we change it? Possibly, but that's a different conversation.

[StartLoving2]

Hey Madam. No, being Sheeple is exactly the case. We are the government and we've gone missing for 50 years. OF COURSE the wolves happily fill the vacuum! We are absentee owners getting our just deserts.

[kurtismaximus9]

Hopeful that the government will run your health insurance efficiently and more expertly than the private sector?

What government agency runs their business well?

You are a fool if you want to give up your liberty and let the government force their healthcare on you.. fine you, imprison you if you don't comply.

How much freedom are you willing to give to big brother?

Think about what you are saying.

Government sucks and runs things horribly, provide for yourself and stop looking for handouts

[madamezora7]

The government already runs healthcare more efficiently than the private sector- where have you been? They run Medicare, Medicaid, the VA- not to mention the fucking post office! Let's see Fed Ex deliver a letter for fifty cents!

[kurtismaximus9]

Really? you are joking right? These establishments are the exact argument I would use against government healthcare.

The post office loses money hand over fist. Just going there, you realize they can pretty much care less at what pace things are done, they get paid regardless and it is impossible to fire them. DMV sucks, VA is ok..but you never hear that it is very good. Medicaid? BROKE- constant fraud happens here too.

So where is your proof that big brother can run things efficiently?

[seamoremonster]

Yes. it's disappointing in many ways, but it looks like it's going to cross the line. Now it's time to not only make it a reality but to work and campaign consistently to improve it. We are on the cusp of joining the rest of the civilized world.

[StartLoving2]

Yes friend. "The killing will continue until we brothers and sisters take the field." Start Loving

[drywater2k]

No robust public obtion, no medicare buy-in, and a mandate to buy insurance = insurance companies' wet dream.

Though this is the first healthcare reform in 40+ years, it is a weak and watered-down version that will be the talking point for many of these obstructionist conservatives.

[StartLoving2]

And

drywater2k you have risked life, limb and treasure to make it stronger how?

[kurtismaximus9]

:::Raises hand::::: Obstructionist here.

Another bloated government entitlement? Are you kidding me?

over 100 new bureaucracies created and you like this?

What you WANTED Federally funded baby killing?

I object your premise that this is good.

I object to my liberties being taken away.

FORCED to buy health insurance or fines... nay jail?

Open your eyes, your government is getting bigger and bigger at YOUR expense.

Drones all of you. Think for yourselves.

Where is this in the Constitution?

[madamezora7]

Are you saying we SHOULDN'T be entitled to healthcare to protect our very life? "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

LIFE is a protected and sacred trust in this nation, stop being such a toad. While the DOI is not the Constitution, it IS a founding document.

[kurtismaximus9]

NO a person is NOT entitled to health insurance in the Constitution... Have you READ the Constitution? You can get free med care at county hospitals and every hospital has to treat you, regardless of insurance, if you are critically injured.

This is HEALTH INSURANCE not health care.. No one is entitled to this by government. It is up to an individual what kind of health insurance, how much and if any is wanted.

If you are Bill Gates and can afford any treatment, why force health care on him?

[kurtismaximus9]

right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness does not even imply that health insurance is a RIGHT.

right to life? you mean like NOT killing unborn babies...Now THAT would hold more water than your argument here.

Taking of innocent life vs. health insurance being some sort of right, just because you are born.

Insane

[Smartassawhip]

What are the affordable options for those who do not have insurance? Does anyone know?

[drywater2k]

I believe it comes from creating that exchange he's talking about. People will get subsidies to buy the insurance that's mandated upon them from different vendors, just like a kiosk in a mall that makes you buy stuff.

[kurtismaximus9]

drywater. "get subsidies" from whom?

Just the government?

The gov has NO money and is in debt and underwater more under this Pres than anytime in history.

4 times the fed budget Bush had

4 TIMES!

and now this? more big government?

And do you actually believe the lie he tells about it costing less? CBO my ass, when you give out "free" more people line up for the handout than you ever predicted. Happens every time.

Work harder, get your own health insurance and stop relying on government!

[StartLoving2]

Insurance subsidies for 30 million Americans. Massive increase in funding for primary care health centers - SEE SANDERS VIDEO I'M UPLOADING NOW!