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  • Never should have let these fucking muslims move into North America.

    FUCK.

  • Imam raouf is a lier and fact tiwster Islam call hiws followers to lie on the infidel. His heart is full of hatred to his country the US i consider him a traitor

  • "peaceful sufi" is a myth. kill them all.

  • With all due respects to US patriots,USA desrves what it gets&they will never learn from past mistakes after all it was Jimmy Carter who by overthrowing the USA's friend modernizer secular Shah of Iran in1979&replacing him by terrorist Mullahs unleashed the virus of radical Islam.Look@USA's universities full of anti-US radicals from everywher brain washing young minds&now add Housein Osabama another traitor from asshole democrats camp to bring down USA.Check my UTUBE page PLZ.

  • Does USA have blood on its hands? As an Ex-Muslim I am no friend of the Muslims. I lost my country & best yrs of my life as a refugee because of Islam as well as what USA & UK did to me & my country. Indeed as a result of Jimmy Carter's revolution in Iran in 1979 not only 8 million became refugees around the world but 2 million killed after Jimmy sold my country to mad radical Mullahs. Over 450000 were arrested tortured raped stoned to death & executed & Mr. Oreily is disbuting this very fact?

  • Islam is a cult created by a psychopath. It cannot be reformed. It must be eradicated. Islam must be eradicated not because the Quran says Earth is flat or the shooting stars are missiles that Allah fires at the Jinns who climb the heaven to eavesdrop on the conversation of the exalted assembly. These stupid tales could even amuse us. Islam must go because it teaches hate, it orders killing of non-Muslims, it denigrates women and it violates the human rights.

  • @IslamISsick1 Assholes like you have been trying to push US into more and more wars; you have a problem with Islam-go join some guerrilla army some where and fight it; leave US out of it;

    Are you a supporter of the apartheid State of Israel?

  • @RPenta I couldn't agree more. I'm sick of AIPAC and evangelists dragging us into new wars. "Iraq is an existential threat to Israel!" "Sharia Law is all about honor killings!" I am sick of all the propaganda my country is fed day in and day out. I am not a pacifist by any means. I hate pacifism. But when i enter a conflict, it'd better make some sense to do so.

  • What an FIN JOKE!!! This monster is on Obama's payroll!!!

  • Obama will be at ground zero on Thursday. Of course, him being the great leader and avenger there will be celebration with the families of 9/11victims. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, has peeped out from behind the curtain happy he says because Muslims in America have been made the real victims of Bin Laden. Sounds like a coronation.Time to erect a mega-mosque. In the name of peace. Justice served. War on terror - Gone. Islam - Good. Everyone, thank your own god (for now).

  • American invasion in iraq has caused 1/2 million deaths? (Suicide attacks by muslims have caused them!!)

    Did he ever mentioned the deaths Saddam Hussein has caused in Iraq??

    Did he ever mentioned that Saddam Hussein has invaded Kuweit, and raped woman over there?

    How many children have been put into war against Iran by Saddam Hussein?

    How many innocent have been killed by Saddam Hussein's toxic gas bombs?

    America has no blood at all on it's hands!!!! That's Primitive muslim propaganda!!

  • ....contd... not legitimate political targets as Rauf implies. Actually, the original targets of the London bombers (as documented on tape ) were meant to be 'sluts' dancing in London nightclubs. This shows the disturbed sexual mental mindset of these young Muslim men. And why the attractions of dark-eyed Houris after death was so compelling.

  • The 9/11 hijackers comprised : 15 Saudi Arabians, 2 UAE, 1 Egytian, 1 Lebanese, none of whose countries are at war with America. There were no Iraqis, no Afghanis, no Palestinians. Rauf's implication is that if the USA is at war with ANY country which happens to have a Muslim majority, then, if any Muslims attack The USA, the USA is partially to blame. Also, the 7/7 bombings in London (carried out by British born Muslims) targeted civilians on buses and tubes....contd

  • americans, stand together and eradicate these faggot, racist ,child molesters from our country. we must destroy the scourge of mankind. send them to hell with their pedophile false prophet. hell awaits them

  • Islam is a cult created by a psychopath. It cannot be reformed. It must be eradicated. Islam must be eradicated not because the Quran says Earth is flat or the shooting stars are missiles that Allah fires at the Jinns who climb the heaven to eavesdrop on the conversation of the exalted assembly. These stupid tales could even amuse us. Islam must go because it teaches hate, it orders killing of non-Muslims, it denigrates women and it violates the human rights.

  • Look at the Dislike button. That prooves that this video is a big bullshit =)

  • @dirtykeskin you dumb F it means that it hit a nerve. muslims realise that their ideology is being exposed for what it is.

  • The U.S. has more blood on its hands so we need to let the mulims catch up.

  • @largraf

    why you dont require the same for the nazifascists since islam is the same fascism but religious camouflagued. YOU SICK???

  • Rauf - the new face of Hitler

  • I would be very careful in your shoes because your bed is burning !

    You talking to the Spirit of Truth predicted by Jesus Christ, John, Matthew, Luke, Nostradamus, the Siener and many others for these our times and my job is to warn you IT IS 5 TO [20]12. No one shall say he had not known.

    From today YOU will not say that anymore.

  • Yes, he used the N-word as an example. What's so wrong about that?

  • This crap should be a wake up call for all normal freedom loving Americans

  • @ForIslamAr Typical lying Islam response... Muslims have killed more Non muslims in history then any other religious race... Islam is Exposed!!!

  • @IslamISsick1 Since when are Muslims a "race"?

  • Islam is a cult created by a psychopath. It cannot be reformed. It must be eradicated. Islam must be eradicated not because the Quran says Earth is flat or the shooting stars are missiles that Allah fires at the Jinns who climb the heaven to eavesdrop on the conversation of the exalted assembly. These stupid tales could even amuse us. Islam must go because it teaches hate, it orders killing of non-Muslims, it denigrates women and it violates the human rights.

  • @IslamISsick1 That's christianity you're thinking about.

  • THE FIRST TERRORIST OF MANKINDS HISTORY

    1400years ago:

    “I have been made victorious by casting fear and terror... [Mohammed] Bukhari 4:52:220

  • @megatown "Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; and he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. " Gen 19:24-25

    This terrorist kinda predates Bukhari by a couple millenia.

  • @Damien0xFF

    You misery hypocrite. What would you have suggested for sodom and comorrah. We know that islam is just another hidden face of the same sodom and comorrah and that will be crashed into hell and fire for you bastards the clock shows the 5to[20]12 !!!

  • @megatown Well, what would YOU have suggested for Bukhari's enemies? Still, they had it much better than the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah. We know that christianity is just another hidden face of the same religious terrorism we saw on 9/11, and that will be eradicated as humanity gets smarter.

  • @Damien0xFF

    For an functionary of the bloodlicking godhood of the lie you take your dirty mouth quite plenty !!!

    Christianity deducts from CRIST.

    Would you say that the Spirit if Christ is the same as that one of your bloody pedofile barbarian ???

    Is it that what you want to say?

  • @Damien0xFF

    For you it will be much better to read my post from 3 days ago twice nay 100 times!

  • @Damien0xFF

    SodomGomorrah has nothing to do with the Spirit of Christ, in contray, YOU KNOW THAT VERY WELL!

  • @Damien0xFF

    You are all the same pack of godless bastards, hidden and non hidden fascists.Mohammed himself the perfect atheist as all the other bloodsucking tyrants ever lived in the universe from Hitler [also trying to become a messia] to Kim Yong [declared god of N.K.], to Saddam, Pol pot, Lenin and their functionaries all the same pack of fascist barstards who hate their natural enemy the TrUTH in the SPIRIT OF CHRIST - like the pest.

  • @megatown LOL, are you mad?

    "But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." (Matthew 5:22)

    Meet you on hell then.

  • @Damien0xFF

    For an apostle of the bloody godhood of the lie/taqiyya you take your mouth more than full.

    I would be very careful in your shoes. The game is over. Your bed is burning !

    You talking to the the living word of Christ predicted as the Spirit of Truth by Jesus Christ himself, by John, Matthew, Luke, Nostradamus, the Siener and many others for these our times and my job is to warn you IT IS 5 TO [20]12. No one shall say he had not known. From today YOU will not say that anymore.

  • Why are people so stupid? This guy is NOT anti-terror!

    If "America has blood [on their hands]" than he consider 9/11 a legitimate military attack. This is a fucking VICTORY MOSQUE!

  • @ForIslamAr 1 Million? Muslim suicide bomber killed the most of them! And you are angry against the americans? Who did invade Kuweit? Who did attack iran? Did you forgot that it was Saddam Hussein? How many iranians were killed by religous fanatics during isalmic revolution? Your history only contents falsified numbers you falsified yourself! That is the problem of islam! History based on lies! Religion based on lies! Everything based on violence and lies!
  • truth hurts. 

  • if america has blood on its hands why does this little arab guy want to live in america?

    why would he want to live with all these americans with all that blood on their hands?...why leave a muslim country to live with the infidels? well,imam rauf,what you doing in america ya cunt?

  • @jeaniehopkirk2 he is not against America. He is telling the truth. America have nothing to do with American politicians and American government. American government is controlled and manipulated by special interest people, organizations and corporations. they don't care who is going to be hurt as long as their interest is protected.

  • @hamedatta whats what goes on in america have to do with an arab from saudi arabia? NOTHING! thats what..why doesnt he concen him self withthe human rights abuses going on in his country

  • @jeaniehopkirk2 Because most Americans are better than their leaders, fortunately.

  • Busted! this guy is a front for terrorism.

  • The Muslim Community Center is funded by globalist. It's all a distraction to keep you from paying attention to the real issues. Stop watching the main stage and start looking behind the curtain.

  • So I'm thinking now all those dead Iraqi children are now little American children.

  • OFCORSE ITS RELIGION BASED TERRORISM. THEY DO IT IN THE NAME OF ALLAH!! LOL HE TRIES TO SAY ITS BWT SUMTHNG ELSE? STUPID

  • streetmasterbater "didn't mention the crusades"

    yes i did if you can read leftist ass.

  • streetmasterbater like I said where in the world are christians strapping on bombs and blowing themseves up in shopping malls?

    waiting.

  • @FrankCastlez

    They tend to build up militia forces in the woods and bomb abortion clinics, not shopping malls.

  • I don't understand what's wrong with any of the things he said here. He sounds totally reasonable and is denouncing the violent actions of both the western and muslim worlds. I don't get it, everything he said was very rational.

  • Just saying....

  • Is that it? is that all?! I have to say that this gets a Fail and I'm black and not Muslim or religious. If your gonna detest anything then why not certain aspects of the religion in itself and not Muslims. You'd have far more valid points then focusing on this joker alone. We all know he's a loaded question. And yes I do accept and know about the crimes Americas "leaders" have committed. They should be vocal and made at them....not us.

  • The only religion more violent than Islam? Good ol Christianity.

  • @Streetmastaalex "...more violent than Islam? Christianity. "

    Right and when was the last time you heard of a christian strap a bomb on and blow themseves up in among a gathering at the mall?

    effen leftist douche.

  • @FrankCastlez Does 'timothy mcveigh' ring a bell you stupid pile of right wing idiocy? Remember the Crusades??? You're a fucking idiot, I'm sorry to say, but a typical Christian. Guess its not your fault you've been brainwashed by your parents and fox news.

  • @Streetmastaalex '"timothy mcveigh' "

    Gawd you're an effen idiot.

    your assertion is that McVeigh blew up the Fed building because he was a "christian"?

    In the book about Mcveigh he told the author that reasons leading up to his decision were the attack by ATF on waco compound.

    It was not a religious decision.

    ignorance is not bliss.

  • @Streetmasterbater said "more violent than Islam...Christianity" and makes his assertion "remember the crusades?"

    are you really using somthing over 500 yrs ago that people under the christian banner went to war.

    you effen idiot. Like I said when was the last time you had heard/seen a "christian" strap on a bomb and blow themselves up in a crowd at the mall?

    leftist douche

  • @FrankCastlez Violence and religion go hand in hand. Your little made-up God kills people mercilessly in your made up bible, and you drones still worship him. He's a killer. Mcveigh was just a typical example of what being a Christian Conservative will do to you. Hah I like how you didn't mention the crusades.In other nations even TODAY, moron Christians like yourself are killing people over religion in Africa and other 3rd world nations. Yeah, ignorance isn't bliss. Its danger. Wake up.

  • @Streetmasterbater "Mcveigh was just a typical christian conservative"{citation required}

    youre so fucked up you dont know which way is up!

    you are making strawman assertions leftist ass.

    "christians are killing people in africa" {citiation required}

  • @FrankCastlez Theres this fantastic website called Google.com. You can really learn a lot when you stop getting all your info from Faux News and Glenn Beck. I realize that you're a right wing religious nut, so theres no use talking any sense into you. Anyways have fun with your little made up god beliefs and bigotry, the rest of us have lives to get back to.

  • @Streetmastaalex Lol... comment of the day.. for all the exposing that this video claims to do the comments of the Imam are selectively edited to show him in poor light( which too only seems to happen if one has made up his mind that he is evil)... people still hold on to every word of the fairy tales written 2000 years ago..

  • @ast3rix84 amen to that brother

  • Islam has no savior because it has no payment for sins against God, just their self righteousness. Turn to the Lord Jesus Christ who paid the penalty for our sins by dying on the cross in our place. Whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

  • What is the connection between the title and the video content? I just wasted +4 minutes of my life on cheap propaganda.

  • Islam is a cancer on all civilized societies! Stay out terrorist!!

  • @hawkermustang yea, without muslim scholars, we wouldn't have algebra, or the modern library system, or modern astronomy, without all of these, we wouldn't have modern society, go read a book you idiot

  • @faruqi Sure we would dip shit!

  • @faruqi That's like saying we wouldn't have any bombs or suicide bombers. Well we would still have them, but we would have far fewer suicide bombers.

  • "Blind we are, if creation of this clone army we did not see" -Master Yoda

  • Joel 3

    "1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,

    2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Yisrayl, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

    3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.

  • Joel 3

    4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine?

    6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border. 7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head:

    8 And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah,

    for YHVH hath spoken it.

  • all this for pussy and money.

  • Well of course the wars left "muslim blood on our hands". THAT WAS THE POINT!

  • NEVER VOTE REPUBLICAN . COM

    nevervoterepublican . com

  • Why don't you people who think building a Mosque and blah blah blah just get the fuck over yourselves? Does it really make you feel so superior to determine what should be built where? Too bad that that need to feel superior isn't just a need to be a part of world.

  • This Imam is such a joke, people need to wake up to the fact that this mosque isn't about peace, and he's not about peace either. Muslims are laughing at the people who support the ground zero mosque, because they can't see that they're giving in to jihad!

  • @LamCriddlexx Let it be about war. Hell, let it be about insulting 9/11 victims. I do not care. I would support the building of the community center ON ground zero if they owned this land .This is America. People have property rights. You don't see anyone coming to your house and telling you where you should build your private property. Why should you? I think Muslim (and Christianity for that matter) is a joke. But that doesn't mean I should impose my beliefs on others because I don't agree.

  • @KDALove "You don't see anyone coming to your house and telling you where you should build your private property-" Actually you do. Property/home owners quite often have to get various sorts of permission to build or change stuff on their property. If the building is historical or if the changes will clash with the neighboring buildings it can often be harder to get permision. some suburban homeowners associations can even tell you how often to mow and water your yard.

  • @jjk9999 They're not being protested by any homeowners association, they're being protested by self-proclaimed patriots thousands of miles away from the actual site. This site has not violated any of the zoning laws and the developer has agreed to the construction. The community board has given the community center a green light to build. It's not a legal landmark so it can't be taken over by the state. The only thing stand in the way of these people exercising their rights is the public.

  • @LamCriddlexx Absolutely they are laughing. I saw ads meant to make socialists come support the mosque and they were all about racism even though they knew that wasn't the real issue. All the sincere egalitarian socialists who went to the pro mosque protest were cynically used by the mosque people.

  • He quotes michael Moore movies as references to support his argument, That in itself should scare you.

  • the negro, the jew, the muslim and the bigot

  • More Faux News Teabaggery.

  • nice edited clip there, so were's the rest of it.

  • Additional proof muslims are enemy of West.

  • Sorry assheads. This still doesn't make following the constitution subject to opinion polling, and as long has real freedom of religion still exists in this country you jerkoffs are going to keep losing this argument over and over and over no matter the amount of beside the point crap you cry about.

    Feel free to keep proving to the world how pathetically fucking brain-dead the average American Conservative is though. :)

  • @bigge525 spoken like another clueless DHIMMI.

    SURRENDER WITHOUT ME LIBTURD.

  • @bigge525 Interesting point: Congress can't prevent "the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". It dosn't t say anything about building houses of worship. So being christian is a right but building a church is not.

    If islam was just a religion then whatever. But the problem is is that it's always been a totalitarian political movement also. Every terrorist attack can be traced back to an Imam or Mosque.

  • @jjk9999 There is no legal interpretation of the First Amendment that allows excluding religious services on private property at the government's will. "A house of worship" is just a semantic declaration of this intent.

    On what explicit legal standing would you seek to ban this project?

    Also, you must realize your comment about 'every' terrorist attack is pretty fucked up?

  • @EdgeNicx Re: legal interpretations. A very good point. But as anyone who read my statement can see I didn't propose banning it. I was clarifying what is actually said in the 1st amendment. Worshiping is covered by the 1st amendment but building a house of worship is not so the 1st amendment can't be used in argument to defend the building of a house of worship but can be used to defend what is worshiped in that house of worship provided its not incitement to violence.

  • @jjk9999 BUT as far as Imams and Mosques being connected to every terrorist attack- Terrorism specialists from the government and Prosecutors have said that every attack and attempted attack on US soil has had an Imam or Mosque involved in some way. Reiterating what respected experts in their fields say is not fucked up.

  • Last word

  • All u American scum can find another building that our martyrs will slam into with YOUR jets.The US will be under Islam rule and Sharia Law in a few short years. You Americans are weak and scared, you see a Muslim and fear washes over you as it should. We have come to dominate your land and we wont stop until we do, as we are doing in Europe. Soon the World will worship Allah and I want the US to be beaten into submission with your big mouths and no Balls. Obama loves us and will help MUSLIMS

  • @brotherhoodmuslim hahahah your time in GITMO is going to be fun!

  • Wow this video completely backfired, if you actually listen to it you discover Rauf makes a good point.

  • @StupidWindmill HE makes a great point we HATE every body thats not with us OUR own gov send us to kill for no reason and when we say no to killin we are not tru americans HMMMM sounds like the MUSLIMS WE SUPPOSE TO HATE?

  • @beezy2510 You HATE...you're a LIBERAL.

  • @StupidWindmill wow, your post really backfired EVERYONE KNOWS RAUF IS A LYING MUSLIM TERRORIST.

  • Here is an example of "speak softly and lie your ass off". Just because this joker says that we are "in some unexplained way" responsible for the deaths of 1M children in Iraq, doesnt make it so. No matter what Madelin Albreight says.

    The quran teaches muslims to lie to the infidel and await a chance to kill them. When they build the ground zero mosque we will be in the same shape as Israel and Europe. Bombings, murder and everything! Civil war in our country!

  • ???? Islam been slaughtering humanity since its inception..280 million or so and counting. I wonder if its more with all the killings of women.

  • its interesting to see that hatred and bigotry as well as scapegoating seems to grow expotentially as the economic situation gets worse. Lets see how bad it gets after the next financial crisis hits soon.

  • You fucking haters are using perfectly good oxygen.

    The enntire world HATES the US, which has turned into terrorist to the rest of the world.

  • @ThePatriotHour At one point the entire world hated Noah,what's your point.What do you want from the US?Submission?Fear?Go to a Muslim majority country and enjoy your freedom to hate the USA while your family is destroyed by Islam.

  • @ThePatriotHour eat yourself.

  • Rauf is as wrong as Wright.

    Rauf, Wright--- Muslims & Leftists are indistinguishable, and president Barack Hussein Obama II (pbuh) supports all such enemies of mankind. The Democrats' toxic rainbow truly is "inclusive".

    CHANGE.

  • @TylerNull WE are the biggest threat to mankind the USA we killed more then any other country and dont forget the genicide we did to take the USA so GO fu*k your self and all white racist FU*KS

  • @beezy2510 nah go fuck yourself..then remember odds are you'll be kiled by a non-White before your 25th birthday.

    enjoy the time you have left.

  • @Archonis YOU must be a salty fag that believes we had nothing to do with 911 at all HUH FAG

  • @beezy2510 what's 9/11 got to do with you getting SHOT BY A NEGRO in the next few years?

  • @Archonis stand in the sun and get burned KRACKER

  • @beezy2510 This WHIP-CRACKER  don't burn, BOY.

    Get to work now sonny, my leather is gettin' hungry.

  • @Archonis we run africa and USA BLACK POWER !!!!

  • @beezy2510 AFRICA? the land of RAPE, HIV/AIDS and MUSLIMS committing GENOCIDE?

    You can have it.

    When are you going back?

  • @beezy2510

    Your vile fantasy is surely the spawn of the teachers labor unions. It's your civic duty to convince your unfortunate parents to sue them for fraud, assuming of course that your parents are alive and that they paid taxes.

    They have a VERY strong case.

  • @TylerNull

    I gotta say, upping the warfare in Afghanistan is an odd way of supporting America's enemies.

  • @0000000000

    I gotta say, "upping the warfare" is a bizarre term for Obama's allergy to the word "victory", his absence of any coherent goal in your rock pile, the skyrocketing suicide rates amongst US combat forces, and Ms. Homeland Security telling us the REAL terrorist threat is from US veterans.

    To be sure, all that is "upping the warfare", but only against your mutual enemy; the USA.

    CHANGE.

  • @TylerNull

    Actually the suicide rates among US soldiers hit their record highs during the Bush administration.

    And you've misread the Dept of Homeland security report, it didn't claim that the greatest terrorist threat facing the US is from veterans, but that they were just a potential demographic of a specific type of terrorism, homegrown terrorism. Which is a perfectly accurate assessment, as the majority of terrorist attacks on US soil were performed by veterans.

  • @000000000

    "Actually the suicide rates ..." hit a high this year. (Google it.)

    And "perfectly accurate assessment" is a bizarre term for Obama & his treasonous Acorns uttering their vile statements against US war veterans, as they did, just before expended all that energy back-peddling on it, as they did.

    ALL U.S. assassinations are committed by Leftists, or by those who were apolitical. Find a less despicable way to smear your stink on the opposition.

  • @TylerNull

    Most American terrorists are US veterans. It's a fact. I'm sorry if that offends you or anyone else but its true, and its outright dangerous to ignore trends in identifying terrorists for the sake of political correctness.

    Also, Obama himself didn't create the report, it was the Dept of Homeland security, which you refer to as "Acorns" for some reason.

  • @000000000

    Your "facts" aren't so.

    It is the warring tribes of street gangs, NOT veterans, who are responsible for 99.999% of all terror in America. They slaughter countless thousands of Americans each year, and Dem'rats proudly force Amricans to sponsor them all. Obama's hometown of Chicago -- controlled by Dem'rats for generations -- is America's big-city murder (terror) capital.

    Beyond that, all political assassins in the USA are of your political persuasion, or of none at all.

    FACTS.

  • @TylerNull

    We were talking about terrorism, not drug warfare and street homicide. You're changing the subject and you know it.

  • @000000000

    In other words, you need to ignore 99.99% of all terrorism in America to prop up your treasonous slander of US war veterans.

    Got it.

  • @TylerNull

    I'm not committing slander, I'm stating factual information. And secondly, there is not a national security organization in the country that would classify things such as drug warfare as "terrorism". You are attempting to rewrite the definition of the term already established by the Bush administration.

  • @0000

    Your "factual information" requires a nearly perfect denial of reality, as I already detailed.

    As for "attempting to rewrite the definition", terrorism within this context, including that of your Pres. Bush reference, is the term for the wartime enemy; Muslims. It was Obama's Homeland Security chief who redefined it as those who defend us from the wartime enemy; US war veterans. That's treasonous slander.

    Your political kind so PERFECTLY inverts whatever tidbits of reality seep through.

  • @TylerNull

    So then, the gang and drug warfare homicides you've been referring to doesn't fit under the definition of terrorism set forth by either administration. In that case, why did the Bush administration not consider drug and gang homicides to be acts of terrorism like you do? I would like to know.

  • @00000000

    So then, "terrorism" is a warfare tactic of the wartime enemy, as president Bush explained over and again for 8 yrs. Your need to deny/obfuscate/invert that definition resulted in your inclusion of common criminal acts committed by and against individuals.

    So then, by your definition, street gangs commit 99.99% of all "terrorism" in America.

    So then, even within the context of your (re)definition, the hoax that powers your treasonous slander against US war veterans is exposed.

  • @TylerNull

    It wasn't my definition that included common criminal acts, it was yours! You blamed street gangs for 99.9% of all terror attacks in America, and I've been pointing out that your definition doesn't match up with that of any administrations. For goodness sakes just scroll up and read your own posts. If you're going to include drug warfare, and then suddenly exclude it, you need to tell me first. I can't know ahead of time when you're going to suddenly change your mind.

  • @11111110

    Now, if we go by the actual definition of "terrorism" (ie acts of violence targeted against civilians for the purpose of inciting terror in order to fulfill a political or ideological goal), then the majority of homegrown US terrorists are veterans. That doesn't mean that all veterans or terrorists, the only people who are being accused of terrorism are the terrorists. I don't know why you would expect the government to throw out decades of FBI statistics for the sake of PC.

  • @00000000

    Use any definition you choose, and credit it to whomever you care; however, you must apply it consistently if you are to pose as lucid.

    For any one veteran you may shoehorn into your subjective contrivance, there are tens, possibly thousands, of street gang members who qualify too; those who habitually terrorize neighborhoods, sometimes for ethnic cleansing, as in Black v. Mexican gangs. (That's rather politically purposeful, no?)

    So again, your treasonous hoax is exposed.

  • @TylerNull

    Street gangs don't kill each other for political or ideological reasons, and they don't do it for the purpose of scaring the public into supporting a political ideal. Most of them don't even hold any comprehension of politics. They kill over money, petty territory disputes, the facilitation of organized crime. But most of the deaths are just random and senseless acts of violence. No administration has ever categorized gang warfare as terrorism.

  • @11111110 LA TIMES march 19-2010:Describing it as “urban terrorism,” California Atty. Gen. Jerry Brown joined with Riverside County officials Thursday in asking the public to help find those who tried at least three times to kill officers assigned to a Hemet-based gang task force.

    there ya go its official: gangs causing "Urban Terrorism"

  • @FrankCastlez

    Oh, well if the California Attorney general says so, then it is official. We gotta completely re-write our counter-terrorism playbooks.

  • @00000000000

    "Street gangs don't ..."

    Oh, yes they do.

    Their ethnic cleansing, for example,  is as political as that of any other. And "scaring the public" is the purpose of much of their activities. (Hint: that's why people are afraid to report them.)

    Your bigoted claims that they lack the brain power to puzzle their way through to their own purpose is almost as impressive as your nearly perfect denial of reality, & your nearly perfect inversion of the tidbits that manage to seep through.

  • @TylerNull

    Hahaha, its bigoted to refer to gang members as stupid? No, no, if you want to defend their intelligence than feel free, I really can't stop you. I'm sure death row inmates would love to have someone sticking up for them.

    But 'ethnic cleansing' is not a political position, no matter what liberals may tell you. It's just simple racism. Which is besides the point as we're now talking the motivations behind about a fraction of gang-related homicides.

  • @11111110

    But geez, you'd think Bush's War on Terror would have done something about all that blatant terrorism occurring around the country on a daily basis. The "terrorists" in Detroit pose a way larger threat to American lives than the ones in Iraq, but we never saw that city get invaded. At the very least it could have gotten a passing mention in any of the hundreds of terrorism reports and speeches given. What gives?

  • @11111110

    Now, can we stop playing this game where you try to shoehorn everyday criminals into the definition of terrorism in order to dilute the meaning? The previous administration defined terrorism perfectly well. You know this. Why you keep referring to the very CONSIDERATION of acquired military skills as a potential tool for homegrown terrorists as "treason" is beyond me. Are we supposed to honor those individuals who aid or commit acts of terror against Americans?

  • @00000000

    "What gives?" -- your mind, as I detail, and by any definition(s) there too.

    Now you imply gov't failures justify your dismissal of the problem, AND you had to acknowledge street gang terrorism to do so. Oh, and those dolts outwit Chicago's politicians, making theirs the Murder Capital.

    By all definitions, and in any context, your failures are striking. THE "terrorist threat" in this war are the Muslim enemy. THE "terrorist threat" in civilian felony crimes are street gangs.

  • @00000000

    "shoehorn..." -- parroting back my observation fails to alter the fact that your treasonous ilk redefines terrorism AWAY from warfare, and TO civilian crime. I merely observe that your specious claim thereof ignores 99.99% of its own preference.

    So, in order to save your hoax, we must ignore all such "terrorism", unless the perp happens to have once worked for the US military.

    I'd say "priceless", but the specific cost of your depraved politics would be our civilization.

  • @TylerNull

    I haven't redefined terrorism, I'm going by the definition established by the Dept of Homeland security since its inception. That is the definition I quoted earlier. The fact that the previous administration's War on Terror made no effort to combat general civilian crime in America is kind of sort of proof that the Bush administration didn't define it as terrorism. Either that or they were unaware to the thousands of murders occurring in the US every year, but I kind of doubt that

  • @00000000000000000000000

    Oops, you did it again. FOCUS:

    EITHER acknowledge that terrorism refers to the WAR,

    OR claim it extends to civilian crimes.

    EITHER WAY, your hoax is exposed.

    IF you choose the former, then "the terrorist threat" is the WARTIME MUSLIM ENEMY, not US war veterans.

    IF you choose the latter, then "the terrorist threat" are the street gangs, not US war veterans.

  • @TylerNull

    We're not talking about a war, we're talking about terrorism. Two often-related but still separate concepts. The US Department of Defense defines terrorism as such:

    "The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological."

    Now, what part of that do you take issue with?

  • @0000000

    You failed to address my point.

    Nevertheless, you quote the Department of Defense -- our war-fighters definition of their wartime enemy -- to claim theirs is "not talking about a war".

    I have no "issue" with your depraved defense of a treasonous hoax. I'm merely helping you digitally record its imbecilic core.

  • @TylerNull

    Ah, you misunderstood. I wasn't asking what issue you took with my "defense". I was asking what issue do you take with the government's official definition of terrorism?

  • @0000

    Ah, your avoidance of my points isn't evidence of anything else.

    Again, you are welcome to use our w