i hope she lives with regret. I'm not kidding, not am i being funny...but women cannot drive. Most avoidable wreck I've ever seen. Almost looked on purpose.
ARCA is a lower level series meant to weed out incompetent drivers before they reach major league level. Unfortunately, in this case, it took a fatal accident to weed one out. In racing, if you have enough money, you can buy your way into the game whether or not you have the ability to compete. You can't do this in other sports. And yet racing is a sport where people get killed ARCA, though a lower level, is just as fast as NASCAR & more dangerous because of the lower talent level of the drivers
the wreck that very well could have been avoided. ARCA should have paid dearly for allowing this. No spotters? Are they fucking crazy? Racing is dangerous as hell and theres no way drivers can do it by themselves, they need a little guidance, even in practice. I wasnt there and I dont know what Deborah was seeing, but I don't see how she needed a spotter to avoid him, but what do i know? Its mainly ARCAs fault for not having the proper rules in place to prevent a tragedy like this.
Eric's car is white, resting up against a white wall. It is also resting perpendicular to the wall giving Deborah a narrow view of Eric's car when she's approaching the corner. The contrasting car numbers aren't as visible to her as they were for the other drivers. The other drivers had the benefit of seeing a moving car as opposed to a stationary car. There is no smoke visible to her. She is relying on radio communication for situations like this. This isn't negligence, just an accident.
Nomatter what the "spotter" problem were, Deborah Renshaw had a long site of free view, regardless of the speed. If thats not enough time to react, she shouldnt be racing. May she rot in hell.
I kinda have to agree with snappy452, spotters or no spotters, Renshaw needs to take most of the responsiblility for this accident. As a former racer myself, she still needs to look out the front of the car.She just went thru a corner so she would have been looking forward. It didnt even appear as though she hit the brakes until right before impact. Keep your head up and eyes facing forward while driving Deborah ! Nice work on the vids goodwilltubing
@kensethmartinfan also how danica crashed half the feild in the nationwide race on friday....she dident have to peel back down into the 01 just because she wanted to work with the 88 and she admited to holdin the gas while the 2 cars were on fire in front of her... coulda got them killed.
It was nobody's fault. When there's a car stalled at the END of a corner, someone can commit to the outside without knowing that there's a car there. That sort of thing is something that's unfortunate in racing, but it happens once in a blue moon.
Yeah, I did. I also know that in EVERY OTHER STOCK CAR RACING BODY they did not use spotters during practice at this time either. If it were truly as hard to miss a spun out car as you make it, a LOT more drivers would be dead. She wasnt paying attention, end of story.
@snappy452 agreed... she didn't even brake! if she had locked ehr brake massive smoke would have come out, and you would see big rubber marks on the track but no...
There is no excuse for this accident, and Deborah Renshaw shoud prey for forgiveness every day that she has left on earth, because her gross negligence cost a man his life. She should never be allowed to drive a vehicle again. How is it that 3 drivers were able to miss Martin immediately, yet she plowed right into him? She deserves jail time for this.
@snappy452 did you read what zzzbbbccc wrote: "A spotter is the person who sits at the top of grandstand and sends a transmition to a driver telling him or her where the other cars are in relation to the driver. Before this crash, spotters were not used during practice. A spotter would have told Deborah Renshaw that Eric Martin's car was stopped at the top of the track. Since she did not know this information, she drove her lap as normal" ---> any questions?
@goodwilltubing where's yoru argument? the 3 previous cars didn't have spotters too, but the avoided him quite easily... remember she was already disqualified for cheating... she doesn't deserve respect
@goodwilltubing Deborah had a spotter but he was sitting on top of the team trailer which made it so the spotter coudn`t see eric martin at the top of the track
@goodwilltubing Yes. If someone steps onto a shooting range while youre firing, and no one explicitly tells you, does this absolve you from guilt when you continue firing and kill that person, or do we have eyes? Nice smarmy attitude.
@goodwilltubing You missed the point. The track caution lights were on. She did not obey them when she was on the BACKSTRETCH. This cannot be blamed on lack of a spotter. She made half a lap before striking and killing Eric.
There is a reason she no longer races. She is incompetent behind the wheel.
@snappy452 r u fuckin stupid she is not at fault there was no spotters so u better opray to giod he can forgive u for what u said about debra renshaw shes a hell of a racer
@justin3815 yeah, and where is she now? YOU DONT NEED SPOTTERS TO LOOK OUT THE FRONT OF THE CAR. SHE WASNT PAYING ATTENTION DUMBASS, END OF STORY. If what you said was true, racing would NOT BE POSSIBLE, and people wouldnt be able to drive on streets WITHOUT SPOTTERS.
@snappy452 he's right... this was before spottors. she went too high and no spotter was able to tell her that she needed to slow down and stay low. if that wasnt the case, eric would still be alive. it was really nascar's fault, not hers. she wasnt able to slow down in time, either. do your research before you blast someone. you dont know how they feel about it, and if they read this, they would feel worse about it. so nice one, jerk.
@cetras56 Does the spotter then remove the responsibility of looking out the windshield and paying attention? Other cars missed him, they had no problem missing him without spotters.
@cetras56 It was fault of Nascar and Renshaw, did you see that other cars did react on time while she went straight on. I wonder were her eyes on track at this moment when any split second does count?
@snappy452 she couldnt stop. she was going at high speed and the others that passed him saw him because he was moving and right in front of them. deborah was going fast and didnt have time to react.
@snappy452 there is a excuse her spotter coudn`t (the spotter was on the team tralier) see martin parked at the top of the so she never got information about a car parked at the top of the race track.
It's easy enough to say she should have slowed down or seen him ahead of time, but there was oil and water spread across the track (with 15 seconds to allow it to coat the pavement well) from where he impacted the wall to where he finally stopped. She was already losing traction before she comes into the screen. You can see her try to correct against the slide twice before she finally hits him.
Renshaw should have been banned from racing for that. Even without a spotter, the caution lights, including the one on the dashboard required by ARCA should have been enough reason to slow down. Also, the car was not in an unavoidable position, and a driver who was paying attention and the requisite skill set would have been able to avoid it.
the main reason i think Renshaw is to blame is beacuse when your driving your looking roughly far ahead of where you really are. not directly at the ground infront of you. if Renshaw had been doing that correctly. she would have noticed the battered car sooner thus being able to avoid the accident. Martin didn't help himself much either by removing the safety restraints, but even with the seat belts and what not he would have still died
and he was about 2 come out of his car as you can see in the 2nd angle as he is moving his head to get out. just like the 3 drivers Deborah didnt see him, witch is sad.... really
I do have one complaint about the video. You do not leave the text up for long enough. I find myself pausing the clips sometimes and going back a second or two just so that I can read it. But overall, I like you videos. 5/5
Sorry, but I wanted to have the whole text on the slowed down second angle, and if I had slowed it more down the whole video would have been messed up.
She didn't notice him because they had no spotters during practice. This was common until this crash happened. She came out of the turn running her normal lap because nobody told her that a car was stopped in the racing lane. By the time she was able to see Martin's car she did all she could do, slam on the breaks because it was too late to turn out of the way.
A spotter is the person who sits at the top of grandstand and sends a transmition to a driver telling him or her where the other cars are in relation to the driver. Before this crash, spotters were not used during practice. A spotter would have told Deborah Renshaw that Eric Martin's car was stopped at the top of the track. Since she did not know this information, she drove her lap as normal.
he only died because the guy was to scared or shocked to turn fast enough so he went right into him..... he died fast as hell.... thats really really sad because he wouldve lived to. i like these MVM's. not only for how they died but they show what can prevent them in the future
I was all for giving women chances but watching this video has completely changed my mind.
someoneangrier 5 days ago
R.I.P. E.M. so sad this shit bothers me so bad, best drivers in the world with open track 3 avoided but Deb can't she shudda stayed in the kitchen
airkid1298 1 week ago
i hope she lives with regret. I'm not kidding, not am i being funny...but women cannot drive. Most avoidable wreck I've ever seen. Almost looked on purpose.
jmtomasu 1 month ago
ARCA is a lower level series meant to weed out incompetent drivers before they reach major league level. Unfortunately, in this case, it took a fatal accident to weed one out. In racing, if you have enough money, you can buy your way into the game whether or not you have the ability to compete. You can't do this in other sports. And yet racing is a sport where people get killed ARCA, though a lower level, is just as fast as NASCAR & more dangerous because of the lower talent level of the drivers
RRaquello 2 months ago
the wreck that very well could have been avoided. ARCA should have paid dearly for allowing this. No spotters? Are they fucking crazy? Racing is dangerous as hell and theres no way drivers can do it by themselves, they need a little guidance, even in practice. I wasnt there and I dont know what Deborah was seeing, but I don't see how she needed a spotter to avoid him, but what do i know? Its mainly ARCAs fault for not having the proper rules in place to prevent a tragedy like this.
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xXxmtdoomxXx 4 months ago
Blackopsflare: but a stationary car is harder to see than a moving car. From her periferal view it was difficult to see until it was too late.
reddog815 5 months ago
0:00 waht for a driver is this?
birneFT 6 months ago
Eric's car is white, resting up against a white wall. It is also resting perpendicular to the wall giving Deborah a narrow view of Eric's car when she's approaching the corner. The contrasting car numbers aren't as visible to her as they were for the other drivers. The other drivers had the benefit of seeing a moving car as opposed to a stationary car. There is no smoke visible to her. She is relying on radio communication for situations like this. This isn't negligence, just an accident.
reddog815 8 months ago
@reddog815 A moving car is harder to avoid than a stationary car...
BlackOpsFlare 8 months ago
a car is not suppose to just rip apart like that. thats very uncommon
USAF2409 8 months ago
Nomatter what the "spotter" problem were, Deborah Renshaw had a long site of free view, regardless of the speed. If thats not enough time to react, she shouldnt be racing. May she rot in hell.
pbstratocaster 8 months ago 2
I kinda have to agree with snappy452, spotters or no spotters, Renshaw needs to take most of the responsiblility for this accident. As a former racer myself, she still needs to look out the front of the car.She just went thru a corner so she would have been looking forward. It didnt even appear as though she hit the brakes until right before impact. Keep your head up and eyes facing forward while driving Deborah ! Nice work on the vids goodwilltubing
mouser485 9 months ago 2
If a man hit him, you guys wouldn't be bitching nearly as much.
KillerFreya 10 months ago
@KillerFreya That's because a man wouldn't have hit him..
BlackOpsFlare 8 months ago
Kids, this is why some people say women can't drive.
How ironic that Martin radioed in he was fine, then, in all of six seconds, Renshaw doorslams him at 160 miles an hour.
kensethmartinfan 11 months ago
@kensethmartinfan also how danica crashed half the feild in the nationwide race on friday....she dident have to peel back down into the 01 just because she wanted to work with the 88 and she admited to holdin the gas while the 2 cars were on fire in front of her... coulda got them killed.
pieman5ooo 8 months ago
It was nobody's fault. When there's a car stalled at the END of a corner, someone can commit to the outside without knowing that there's a car there. That sort of thing is something that's unfortunate in racing, but it happens once in a blue moon.
CaseyTheHedgehog1 11 months ago
What was Redshaw thinking, did se look ahead at all?
aure232 11 months ago
Yeah, I did. I also know that in EVERY OTHER STOCK CAR RACING BODY they did not use spotters during practice at this time either. If it were truly as hard to miss a spun out car as you make it, a LOT more drivers would be dead. She wasnt paying attention, end of story.
snappy452 1 year ago
@snappy452 agreed... she didn't even brake! if she had locked ehr brake massive smoke would have come out, and you would see big rubber marks on the track but no...
mouloudo 1 year ago
There is no excuse for this accident, and Deborah Renshaw shoud prey for forgiveness every day that she has left on earth, because her gross negligence cost a man his life. She should never be allowed to drive a vehicle again. How is it that 3 drivers were able to miss Martin immediately, yet she plowed right into him? She deserves jail time for this.
snappy452 1 year ago
@snappy452 did you read what zzzbbbccc wrote: "A spotter is the person who sits at the top of grandstand and sends a transmition to a driver telling him or her where the other cars are in relation to the driver. Before this crash, spotters were not used during practice. A spotter would have told Deborah Renshaw that Eric Martin's car was stopped at the top of the track. Since she did not know this information, she drove her lap as normal" ---> any questions?
goodwilltubing 1 year ago 8
@goodwilltubing where's yoru argument? the 3 previous cars didn't have spotters too, but the avoided him quite easily... remember she was already disqualified for cheating... she doesn't deserve respect
mouloudo 1 year ago
@goodwilltubing Deborah had a spotter but he was sitting on top of the team trailer which made it so the spotter coudn`t see eric martin at the top of the track
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snappy452 7 months ago
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@goodwilltubing Yes. If someone steps onto a shooting range while youre firing, and no one explicitly tells you, does this absolve you from guilt when you continue firing and kill that person, or do we have eyes? Nice smarmy attitude.
snappy452 7 months ago
@goodwilltubing You missed the point. The track caution lights were on. She did not obey them when she was on the BACKSTRETCH. This cannot be blamed on lack of a spotter. She made half a lap before striking and killing Eric.
There is a reason she no longer races. She is incompetent behind the wheel.
kingpins9 4 months ago
@snappy452 r u fuckin stupid she is not at fault there was no spotters so u better opray to giod he can forgive u for what u said about debra renshaw shes a hell of a racer
justin3815 1 year ago
@justin3815 yeah, and where is she now? YOU DONT NEED SPOTTERS TO LOOK OUT THE FRONT OF THE CAR. SHE WASNT PAYING ATTENTION DUMBASS, END OF STORY. If what you said was true, racing would NOT BE POSSIBLE, and people wouldnt be able to drive on streets WITHOUT SPOTTERS.
snappy452 1 year ago
@snappy452 he's right... this was before spottors. she went too high and no spotter was able to tell her that she needed to slow down and stay low. if that wasnt the case, eric would still be alive. it was really nascar's fault, not hers. she wasnt able to slow down in time, either. do your research before you blast someone. you dont know how they feel about it, and if they read this, they would feel worse about it. so nice one, jerk.
cetras56 1 year ago
@cetras56 Does the spotter then remove the responsibility of looking out the windshield and paying attention? Other cars missed him, they had no problem missing him without spotters.
snappy452 1 year ago
@cetras56 It was fault of Nascar and Renshaw, did you see that other cars did react on time while she went straight on. I wonder were her eyes on track at this moment when any split second does count?
aure232 11 months ago
@snappy452 she couldnt stop. she was going at high speed and the others that passed him saw him because he was moving and right in front of them. deborah was going fast and didnt have time to react.
cetras56 11 months ago
@snappy452 there is a excuse her spotter coudn`t (the spotter was on the team tralier) see martin parked at the top of the so she never got information about a car parked at the top of the race track.
nerdson218 7 months ago
@nerdson218 Im gonna start a race team and hire a blind driver, since apparently you only need a spotter to be able to drive a race car. Sheesh.
snappy452 7 months ago
@snappy452 dude she didnt mean to do it. there were no spotters telling them what was going on and she was too far back to see him crashing.
jumper738 3 months ago
@djv2448 gordon smileyz crash makes this look like a fender bender
Glibzer 1 year ago
this is why women should not race in nascar....
MichaelMyers43 1 year ago
It's easy enough to say she should have slowed down or seen him ahead of time, but there was oil and water spread across the track (with 15 seconds to allow it to coat the pavement well) from where he impacted the wall to where he finally stopped. She was already losing traction before she comes into the screen. You can see her try to correct against the slide twice before she finally hits him.
bigbadbucksnort 1 year ago
Renshaw should have been banned from racing for that. Even without a spotter, the caution lights, including the one on the dashboard required by ARCA should have been enough reason to slow down. Also, the car was not in an unavoidable position, and a driver who was paying attention and the requisite skill set would have been able to avoid it.
jws381 1 year ago
i find this one the most tragic out of all of them just really sad :(
djv2448 1 year ago
the main reason i think Renshaw is to blame is beacuse when your driving your looking roughly far ahead of where you really are. not directly at the ground infront of you. if Renshaw had been doing that correctly. she would have noticed the battered car sooner thus being able to avoid the accident. Martin didn't help himself much either by removing the safety restraints, but even with the seat belts and what not he would have still died
SaintBEEP 1 year ago
women cant drive XD
mouloudo 1 year ago
this was practice.... knowing that much there is no flag man... so the spotter could not tell whats going on.
pieman5ooo 1 year ago
@pieman5ooo at the time. there were no spotters on the track. this prompted the use of spotters during practice
SaintBEEP 1 year ago
and he was about 2 come out of his car as you can see in the 2nd angle as he is moving his head to get out. just like the 3 drivers Deborah didnt see him, witch is sad.... really
f3wbs 2 years ago
I do have one complaint about the video. You do not leave the text up for long enough. I find myself pausing the clips sometimes and going back a second or two just so that I can read it. But overall, I like you videos. 5/5
zzzbbbccc 2 years ago
Sorry, but I wanted to have the whole text on the slowed down second angle, and if I had slowed it more down the whole video would have been messed up.
Sorry, but I do my very best for my vids.
goodwilltubing 2 years ago 2
It's still a good video
zzzbbbccc 2 years ago 4
What is Renshaw doing now? I mean, I would like to have heard her comments after the accident. This would make me sick enough to give up the sport.
thesixtiesguy 2 years ago
wait a minute! deborah renshaw was a woman???? well im not sexist but the name kinda worries me. if he/she was it couldve easily cost martin's life.
f3wbs 2 years ago
She had no way of knowing that the car was stopped on the track. It was not her fault.
zzzbbbccc 2 years ago
no but still.... how could this have happened.. (i dont care about girls or boys in ARCA) she didnt notice and yet he wouldve lived to
f3wbs 2 years ago
She didn't notice him because they had no spotters during practice. This was common until this crash happened. She came out of the turn running her normal lap because nobody told her that a car was stopped in the racing lane. By the time she was able to see Martin's car she did all she could do, slam on the breaks because it was too late to turn out of the way.
zzzbbbccc 2 years ago
i understand but to tell you the truth ive never heard of a spotter on ARCA.btw i dont even no what a spotter is. could you tell me?
f3wbs 2 years ago
A spotter is the person who sits at the top of grandstand and sends a transmition to a driver telling him or her where the other cars are in relation to the driver. Before this crash, spotters were not used during practice. A spotter would have told Deborah Renshaw that Eric Martin's car was stopped at the top of the track. Since she did not know this information, she drove her lap as normal.
zzzbbbccc 2 years ago 3
yea i was thinking of that.
f3wbs 2 years ago
@zzzbbbccc the three other cars didnt need spotters to avoid him
mouloudo 1 year ago
but still,they did wave yellow flags,right?she should have slowed down...
eloria1965 2 years ago
GWT why dont you put Tom Pryce's accident?
f3wbs 2 years ago
I'm thinking about it.
I just need to put the material together.
Maybe today or tomorrow.
It's like at id Software:
"(it's done) When it's done"
goodwilltubing 2 years ago
he only died because the guy was to scared or shocked to turn fast enough so he went right into him..... he died fast as hell.... thats really really sad because he wouldve lived to. i like these MVM's. not only for how they died but they show what can prevent them in the future
f3wbs 2 years ago
There's something wrong when the intro to a video is well over a quarter of it's total time.
Good video otherwise though, interesting and tragic.
edkev94 2 years ago 2
Sorry about that, but there's not much footage about this fatal crash.
The videos of the crash are about 30 and 7 seconds long, and my vid got 2 minutes.
I did my very best to get the best of this vids.
goodwilltubing 2 years ago
RIP, shame ARCA didn't require spotters to be in the Spotters Stand during practice at the time, that could've prevented this tragedy
fanofkasey 2 years ago