this video remember me a period of real drivers with real chalengers... Senna said that period you had politics inside the circle, imagine if he were here nowadays...
how many formulas did you ever drive at WOT at championship without thinking you are gonna crash and disappoitn all your team and the money invested==???? when you do that you can talk about formulas instead keep karting then talk
Senna was the greatest raw talent, but Prost was the greatest tactician and clinician. They were equally great.
I roll my eyes at idiots who think Mickey Backmarker is "great". As said in the video, Senna and Prost raced against people like Piquet, Mansell, Berger, Alesi and others in the greatest era of drivers. Some of them would have won multiple F1 titles in another era (e.g. Boutsen).
You can only be the best if you beat the best. Senna and Prost did. Backmarker didn't.
Senna is not one of the greatest, he is the greatest..most of f1 drivers will tell you that. He had godly driving skills and balls of steel. he was simply fearless
@jeanclaude780 I applaud you mon ami. You're 100% correct. There's no such thing as "the best of all time" in any field of human endeavor. The most an intelligent person could hope to do is list the best 500, or 200...maybe even the best 100 in a certain field. After that, it changes from objective fact to subjective opinion. Senna was indeed one of the greatest drivers, along with at least 100 others I could list. Many who never even drove in F1 (Sebastien Loeb for example).
"Understood and respected the danger as well as anyone"
Hah, yeah right. Because drivers with respect for the safety of themselves and others totally go around ramming each other and causing crashes at high speeds on purpose.
@tderias I'll not answer it because anyone with even the most basic knowledge of the 80's and 90's era of Formula 1 will be familiar with the two Suzuka incidents, and that's just scratching the surface. If you were genuinely asking out of interest I would gladly enlighten you but I get the impression you're just being a smartarse.
I don't know if that's correct, but I have once heard that because Senna was left-handed, he could change gear while keeping its stronger arm & hand on the steering wheel, whic was said to be an advantage on the other drivers.
One of the other theories I've heard is that since Senna had a staccato throttle technique through the corner, it helped keep the turbo running, so that when he nailed the throttle at the end of the corner, there was less turbo lag, and he was able to accelerate much faster. Supposedly the on throttle technique also induced oversteer, which helped the car corner faster. No idea how that would actually work, but, it seemed to work damn well for him.
-than in the moment you begin to use the steering wheel you make a tip on the throttle and hold it there. Not too much but enough to make the back of your car slightly unstable
-Your car then begins to oversteer slightly and presses your front a bit into the corner. -When you reach the apex of the corner you can play with the throttle and the wheel to bring your car back into a stable position for the corner exit.
@zackjr its the way both Senna and Schumacher famously preferred to drive. There cars were setup to create oversteer, which is a risky way to drive. By quickly jerking the steering wheel and dabbing the throttle, the front of the car becomes more inclined towards the apex of the corner than the back of the car, i.e the car is sliding into the the corner, rather than gripping its way steadily. The driver then gradually applies the throttle to straighten the car out of the corner.
@tderias ... /watch?v=ILZXfoIRkhQ&list=UUCyTZdxMJYyPkzBAdq8T2JA&index=9&feature=plcp .... take a look at this video in the time 8:48. Its just happening what u show.
@Sokra01 Have a look at Keke Rosberg how he was using the power-oversteer even to overtake. I remember him overtaking a car in front of the tunnel in Monaco using this unique technique. In order to come out of the corner faster and "narrower" than his opponent, he hit the throttle to induce oversteer and although he reached the apex of the corner maybe 0,1-0,2 sec. later, he was able to accelerate sooner.
@MupNaz ... the most fantastic documentary-movie sports of all ever. Simply amazing, even to non interested in f1. The first movie totally made with real videos. Simply superb.
@jeanclaude780 .. For sure ure right. Jim Clark was tremendous. I started reading about him last year, and since then im just caught. JIM CLARK, between his two tittles in F1 competed in F Indy and was the first non-american to win indy-500 in FIFTY YEARS !!!! he won indy 500 !!!! he had a very short carreer in f1 ... and his wins is counted in very short seasons. At that time, a season had less than 10 GPs. Actually, i consider Clark the second best pure driver of all ever.
@jeanclaude780 its a shame that too many drivers get dead before they finishes or even begins its carrer. Like Stefan Belfon, he was even faster than senna in Monaco '88 by 2 seconds per lap with a 200hp less engine.
He did move the goalpost's big-time... and the move over Wendlinger (Donington '93) alone is perhaps the best over-take I've ever seen. Not my favorite driver but man, he was somethin' else...
@BornToRace97 I'm not so sure about that. If you watch: watch?v=1BzSSfJ7Gpw&feature=related you can see he gets pushed to the left of the track by Schumacher, but at no point is Andretti, in the sister McLaren ahead of him. He retains 5th and then begins to overtake the field.
@terkmadugga Sorry, a slight correction. He doesn't 'retain' 5th. He qualified 4th, gets pushed down to 5th, but then overtakes 4 cars to takes the lead.
@terkmadugga ...actually, he qualified fourth then was overtaken, dropping to fifth position. So started the overtakes ... ! In 40 seconds senna overtook 12 world tittles ... with an inferior car ( ford engineering ). What he did with wendlinger is absolutely unbelieavable. Thank you Senna.
senna and schumacher both had their strengths and their weaknesses. Senna was obviously the better qualifier, schumacher usually was stronger during the race. Both great drivers in their own ways
@ThreeLiterV10 ... Senna, only the better qualifier ? lol ... please, dont say bull. When in the world Schummy was stronger during the race? Are u comparing the age of PROST, MANSELL, PIQUET ... with an age of BARRICHELLO, MONTOYA AND HILL. Of course everybody has strengths and weakness, and every age has its idols, but putting it in straight, comparing every single detail, Senna is the most prolifc, faster and genial pure driver in the history of motoracing.
@zackjr senna- 65 pole positions, 41 wins. schumacher 68 pole positions, 91 wins- which shows that he was stronger in the race mathematically. If formula one was all about being fast then senna would have definitely been the better f1 driver but unfortunately its not. You have to think, save tires, save fuel, etc, which in my opinion schumacher was better than senna at (monaco 88 was a great example of this). Senna was probably the better racer, i think that schumacher was the better f1 driver
@ThreeLiterV10 youre talking shit i mean schumacher had a great car and a number 2 driver on his side with no competitive other cars in the field except 98/99. senna had prost as his teammate and the great williams. schumacher had nothing of it so it was easy to win races for him. think about it before you posting shit
@ThreeLiterV10 ... uow !! Now ure really arguing !! i like this. Good arguings u have. And i agree. But, look, u must admit that math dont explain a lot of things. To get poles u cant get that just being faster and having a fast engineering, as senna had with lotus. But the motor wasnt so regular. But ure right, not only schummi but prost too were much better than senna in strategy. Now, lets admit that Schumacher won gps and tittles in a much more poor f1 time.
@zackjr yeah agreed completely. I mean I definitely understand people who think that senna was the best driver, there are perfectly good arguments for that, I just always admired schumacher for his way to think his way through a race (which personally I think is more important than qualifying but thats just me) and the way he just demolished everyone else in 01, 02, 04. thats why I think he was a better f1 driver, but thats just my opinion
@ThreeLiterV10 ... for sure, as Senna is just mine. Look, one importante thing is that sometimes Prost is underestimated. Everybody know that he sucks, but he almost won tittles in 81-83 with the second/third team, and 84 with the first team but as team mate of the great Lauda. And battleing people like Piquet. So, if Prost would battled people like Schummi battled, possibly he would win seven. Without Senna, Prost would win 88-91 in straight w the better car.
@ThreeLiterV10 ... thats what interesting, because Prost was always slower than Senna. It was always clear even to Prost's parents. Senna was always genial inside a car, driving completely on the limit. That was his gift. The problem was to keep the car nice to compete. In that Prost was genius. He could wait and wait, just keeping the car on road, waiting for enemies's mistakes. Maybe thats the reason most people prefers Senna instead Prost or Schummi. Senna was transcendental.
@kzb007 ... for sure, friend. And Senna could show that effor to everyone who was watching him. Maybe we got the top driving exemple dying eighteen year ago, at Imola, alive to handreds of millions watching in the world. Senna was the ultimate driver.
@zackjr While what you say was certainly accurate during qualifying, in which senna would basically always smoke prost, sometimes by huge amounts, you could argue prosts racecraft was as good if not better than senna, after all for senna to be so much quicker in qualifying prost could beat senna very often during races. Also note historically senna does not have that many fastest laps (race) in his career.
@MrKinghit ...(01) Your arguing is completely plausible but i sincerely dont believe in that. Senna had only 15 best laps, ure right, but lets go step by step. I dont think fastest lap in gp is a good subject to avaliate driving skill during gps. Villeneuve had 8 fastest lap in 69 starts, for exemple, and so ? Juan Pablo MOntoya had 12 fastests laps in 96 starts. But they have respectively 6 and 7 wins. That can explain some. Fastest lap can explain underdog behavior.
@MrKinghit (2) - rarely fastest lap goes to the leader, who has a lot to lose. And after the 88 monaco gp, when he was a minute and a half ahead of Prost and hit the guardhail with less than 10 laps to go, Senna started be more carefull in gps. GPs hability is better measured in dogfights face to face, isnt ? And they had an unique situation, the two better drivers in the better can. And Senna had advantage, losing only by engineering fails. In 89 he had 6 retirements.
@zackjr schumi was not the example of prost, schumacher was very fast and many time risking and putting all the others in situations like senna itself did but not always, he was sometimes acting like prost you say, that why he has 7 titles, he had both good sides from Senna and Prost, he knew when to push and when to be cautios...
@ToSeFOREVERandAFTER ... u cannot forget thet the enemies of schummi were not like enemies of prost and senna. Senna, without Prost would win 4 straight tittles in Mc Laren. Prost Would do the same. Shummi won 5 in straights because had Juan Pablo MOntoya as enemy. Mansell, Piquet .. both in competitive teams .. Mansell in unbeattable Willians, Prost in Uble Willians, and Senna won 5 gps that year. Senna last 5 years to have a competitive car to win champs, MS 3.
@Slu4ainika ... That's not the question here, the question is not WHO I LIKE MORE, the question is WHO IS BETTER. People like Lebron James more, but even most of them admit Michael Jordan was much better at all. Im sorry, friend, but there must be a reason. Would you mind to share ? Why do u like Schummi more?
@zackjr Schumacher is a born winner and a born champion. Senna on the other hand looked somewhat more relaxed, more silent. He just like Schumi was racing to win, not to be on the podium or to be in the points spots. Schumacher for me has the killer instinct more. I started watchin F1 in early 90s and after Senna died I thought I can stop watchin but no.. Schumacher just made me seat and still watch even without Senna. Schumacher is pretty underrated by the Senna fans which is stupid IMO
@Slu4ainika .. im sorry, but i did not understand one thing. Where in the world senna looked more relaxed and silent. Senna fans are stupid and u say that Senna was relaxed and silent. See Mansell talking about senna and u will know what senna was .... !!! i think u should watch in youtube more videos about f1 ... and count how many talks about senna and schummi. If u consider the most of the world stupid and people that do not know about motoracing, good luck in your life.
one day , god was so mad , cause none was so good driver as HE want...then , HE turn in Ayrton and says..." Ayrton my child , go down in earth to saw them how should they drive..." ;)
@Xylber ... for sure, dude. But i think people are so unfair with Senna, putting his belief ahead of his ability. Wasnt his belief that made his really a genius, special ... was his hardworking ...
also senna's throttle technique was very good too. instead of gradually increasing the throttle coming out of a corner, he would stab at it, in a percussive way similar to how ABS works. the helped him scream out of corners faster than most people & of course, the speed you have coming out of a corner is most important, but he also would go into a corner faster than anyone else too, he's the best. schumacher is the second best. don't know how old farts can think fangio measures up in anyway
ive seen people who go close to the wall and are not faster because they lack the car control.
Throttle re engangement modulation braking and the best thing this video can come up with is the assumption that he just drove closer to the wall every lap.
This video is like "how ayrton senna was so fast aswered by someone who knows nearly nothing about racing"
@stellpoons Jesus, its like your going to cry just because someone had the audacity to look for something else other than throttle control. EVERYone knows about senna's throttle and brake technique but unless I'm mistaken, a car has more controls than a throttle and brake. I am unconvinced that the throttle/brake technique was the only answer to why he was fast. There was more to it than that, so credit to the guy who made this video for at least looking for more answers.
@stellpoons I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for you because you have stopped looking for answers and you believe you know why senna was so fast. That is very un-senna like to stop and think you know everything. Senna never stopped looking for improvements, so we should not stop looking for the ways he improved himself. There's more, but if it was down to know-it-alls like you, we would all stop looking for the more. I thank god I am not like you.
Senna had an out of body experience at Monaco 1988. The book Overdrive by Clyde Brolin covers it more. It's crazy how far he could push a car. Mind = blown.
The person speaking is Sam Posey. He is an ex-driver, and very well studied student of motorsport and F1 in particular. Not a full0time commentator, but supports the US broadcasts of F1 on SpeedTV.
@BiggerThinking1 keep in mind this was made in america. nascar worship limits our acceptance of your driving heroes. I'm an american who believes senna was the best but most of my friends don't know who he is and have never watched F1.
@quasiphatpaul American ignorance is staggering - Senna was unquestionably the greatest driver of all time - light years beyond Earnhardt or whoever it is that Americans know about. Beyond even Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan - only Mohammed Ali comes close - thats how huge Senna was - and yet "most people never heard of him"? Jesus Christ USA is warped!
@BiggerThinking1 Dude you need to chill!!!!, no need to hate like that you hear me, YOU!!! are being ignorant for calling an entire nation ignorant, who the hell made you an expert??? focus on your own shit and let people be ok?
"For all those people in Brazil, for his fans around the world, he will alwasy be young, Ayrton Senna will always be fast, he'll never be old, he will always be the champion of Brazil and of the world." John Bisignano - 'Senna' Movie
@melisevo You need parents with at least $1 million preferably $2 million to blow on a small chance that you will get there. Dont even bother - its a rich kids sport.
if you've read interviews of drivers who have won in monaco, they all say to go fast you do have to lightly brush the rails with the sidewall of the tires. so i can see what he means by it looks like he's driving through the rails especially at the manic rate they're driving.
anyone noticed the eyes on the left top corner?
RuGys123 16 hours ago
this video remember me a period of real drivers with real chalengers... Senna said that period you had politics inside the circle, imagine if he were here nowadays...
Junior59157 2 days ago
im better than senna
baretings1 3 days ago
@baretings1 u wish XD
SideWaysiscool 3 days ago
how many formulas did you ever drive at WOT at championship without thinking you are gonna crash and disappoitn all your team and the money invested==???? when you do that you can talk about formulas instead keep karting then talk
serchmarc 4 days ago
look at 2:34. the three best drivers of all time!!!
roobberyy 6 days ago
yep he was the guy for me. after 45 years watching car race .the best races I watched, senna was there.
18x4 1 week ago
00:30 DA FUCK?
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Senna was the greatest raw talent, but Prost was the greatest tactician and clinician. They were equally great.
I roll my eyes at idiots who think Mickey Backmarker is "great". As said in the video, Senna and Prost raced against people like Piquet, Mansell, Berger, Alesi and others in the greatest era of drivers. Some of them would have won multiple F1 titles in another era (e.g. Boutsen).
You can only be the best if you beat the best. Senna and Prost did. Backmarker didn't.
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Senna is not one of the greatest, he is the greatest..most of f1 drivers will tell you that. He had godly driving skills and balls of steel. he was simply fearless
ashneel99 2 weeks ago 2
Ayrton Senna is the bruce Lee of F1! enough said!
kingzgtr 2 weeks ago
@jeanclaude780 I applaud you mon ami. You're 100% correct. There's no such thing as "the best of all time" in any field of human endeavor. The most an intelligent person could hope to do is list the best 500, or 200...maybe even the best 100 in a certain field. After that, it changes from objective fact to subjective opinion. Senna was indeed one of the greatest drivers, along with at least 100 others I could list. Many who never even drove in F1 (Sebastien Loeb for example).
EngineerAeronautical 2 weeks ago 5
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EngineerAeronautical 2 weeks ago
THE BEST!!
fabiomoysesbm 2 weeks ago
well my dick is wet
Guitar0wner 2 weeks ago
1400bhp on slicks in the wet, these guys were real drivers.
sexy350Zowner 3 weeks ago
"Understood and respected the danger as well as anyone"
Hah, yeah right. Because drivers with respect for the safety of themselves and others totally go around ramming each other and causing crashes at high speeds on purpose.
ROONTANG 3 weeks ago
@ROONTANG and when did senna do that
tderias 3 weeks ago
@tderias Is that a serious question? Wow...
ROONTANG 3 weeks ago
@ROONTANG yes now why dont you answer it
tderias 3 weeks ago
@tderias I'll not answer it because anyone with even the most basic knowledge of the 80's and 90's era of Formula 1 will be familiar with the two Suzuka incidents, and that's just scratching the surface. If you were genuinely asking out of interest I would gladly enlighten you but I get the impression you're just being a smartarse.
ROONTANG 3 weeks ago
@ROONTANG Suzuka 90' was a consequence of what happened in Suzuka 89'. Whats not to understand about this...
tderias 3 weeks ago 2
@ROONTANG Prost deserved what he got at sazuka and that incedent hapened were there was plenty of run off area.
MF91ADL 2 weeks ago
He is not a human !!!
as2552as 3 weeks ago
alane proste
royrichardsify 3 weeks ago
0:08 The face of Prost: priceless.
medonhoblu 4 weeks ago
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medonhoblu 4 weeks ago
2:05 WTF????? Control the car with only one hand?!? Oo
medonhoblu 4 weeks ago
@medonhoblu Most of Monaco is one handed too.
Paperairpain 4 weeks ago
@medonhoblu well, he was a lefty...
Mobius0487 2 weeks ago
In a few years to come people will not think of M Schumacher in this way, Senna will live forever as a true driving god!
MotorsportMonkey 4 weeks ago
I don't know if that's correct, but I have once heard that because Senna was left-handed, he could change gear while keeping its stronger arm & hand on the steering wheel, whic was said to be an advantage on the other drivers.
SuperJohnSB 4 weeks ago
One of the other theories I've heard is that since Senna had a staccato throttle technique through the corner, it helped keep the turbo running, so that when he nailed the throttle at the end of the corner, there was less turbo lag, and he was able to accelerate much faster. Supposedly the on throttle technique also induced oversteer, which helped the car corner faster. No idea how that would actually work, but, it seemed to work damn well for him.
WaldenWestBovine 4 weeks ago
@WaldenWestBovine
It was a technique also used by Schumacher. As far as i know, thats not only working in a turbo-car, it´s also how to drive with a go-cart.
It means, that you push the throttle slightly while cornering to bring the back of your car faster around with less use of the steering wheel.
I also tried that during go-cart-driving and after a bit of learning, I was a lot faster than before.
Sokra01 4 weeks ago 4
@Sokra01 ... could u explain the technique better for us ??
zackjr 3 weeks ago
@zackjr
I try it.
-It means that you first break for the corner,
-than in the moment you begin to use the steering wheel you make a tip on the throttle and hold it there. Not too much but enough to make the back of your car slightly unstable
-Your car then begins to oversteer slightly and presses your front a bit into the corner. -When you reach the apex of the corner you can play with the throttle and the wheel to bring your car back into a stable position for the corner exit.
Sokra01 3 weeks ago
@Sokra01
It works best with a slightly oversteering-setup which both driver, Senna and Schumacher prefered.
The idea of that technique is to drive through a corner with the help of the engine. You use the throttle more and uses the steering wheel less.
Its of course a risky style because if you give too much throttle, your car will break out.
Sokra01 3 weeks ago
@Sokra01
When your real good at it, you can drive a go-cart more with break and throttle and only uses the steering wheel for corrections and detail-work.
That also works to some degree with "real" racecars up to F1.
Sokra01 3 weeks ago
@Sokra01 .. i think now i understood the dancing mode while Senna's cornering.
zackjr 3 weeks ago
@zackjr its the way both Senna and Schumacher famously preferred to drive. There cars were setup to create oversteer, which is a risky way to drive. By quickly jerking the steering wheel and dabbing the throttle, the front of the car becomes more inclined towards the apex of the corner than the back of the car, i.e the car is sliding into the the corner, rather than gripping its way steadily. The driver then gradually applies the throttle to straighten the car out of the corner.
tderias 3 weeks ago
@tderias ... /watch?v=ILZXfoIRkhQ&list=UUCyTZdxMJYyPkzBAdq8T2JA&index=9&feature=plcp .... take a look at this video in the time 8:48. Its just happening what u show.
zackjr 2 weeks ago
@Sokra01 Have a look at Keke Rosberg how he was using the power-oversteer even to overtake. I remember him overtaking a car in front of the tunnel in Monaco using this unique technique. In order to come out of the corner faster and "narrower" than his opponent, he hit the throttle to induce oversteer and although he reached the apex of the corner maybe 0,1-0,2 sec. later, he was able to accelerate sooner.
kriklan49 3 weeks ago
@Sokra01 Do you know what the technical term for the technique is?
icrusoe 2 weeks ago
@icrusoe
We called it "Power-steering".
Sokra01 2 weeks ago
Where is this video from? Did you make it?
MupNaz 1 month ago
proast
66606cl66 1 month ago
"See the film, it will help you decide" - which film is it he's speaking of?
MupNaz 1 month ago
@MupNaz Senna 2010 - if you haven't seen it, please do! Amazing stuff...
arg0nauta 1 month ago
@arg0nauta Ah that one ;) Yeah I have, but thanks
MupNaz 1 month ago
@MupNaz The SENNA FILM
kzb007 1 month ago
@MupNaz ... the most fantastic documentary-movie sports of all ever. Simply amazing, even to non interested in f1. The first movie totally made with real videos. Simply superb.
zackjr 1 month ago
This is one of the most objective evaluations of senna's ability that I have ever seen.
Killerofweak 1 month ago
@jeanclaude780 .. For sure ure right. Jim Clark was tremendous. I started reading about him last year, and since then im just caught. JIM CLARK, between his two tittles in F1 competed in F Indy and was the first non-american to win indy-500 in FIFTY YEARS !!!! he won indy 500 !!!! he had a very short carreer in f1 ... and his wins is counted in very short seasons. At that time, a season had less than 10 GPs. Actually, i consider Clark the second best pure driver of all ever.
zackjr 1 month ago
@jeanclaude780 its a shame that too many drivers get dead before they finishes or even begins its carrer. Like Stefan Belfon, he was even faster than senna in Monaco '88 by 2 seconds per lap with a 200hp less engine.
blooregart 1 month ago
@blooregart sorry. it was Monaco '84
blooregart 1 month ago
He did move the goalpost's big-time... and the move over Wendlinger (Donington '93) alone is perhaps the best over-take I've ever seen. Not my favorite driver but man, he was somethin' else...
theholygoofable 1 month ago
He only passed 4 cars at the beginning of Donnington. He qualified 5th, therefore passed 4 cars to take the lead in the early stages of the race.
terkmadugga 1 month ago
@terkmadugga he dropped back to sixth off the start, then passed 5 cars
BornToRace97 1 month ago
@BornToRace97 I'm not so sure about that. If you watch: watch?v=1BzSSfJ7Gpw&feature=related you can see he gets pushed to the left of the track by Schumacher, but at no point is Andretti, in the sister McLaren ahead of him. He retains 5th and then begins to overtake the field.
terkmadugga 1 month ago
@terkmadugga Sorry, a slight correction. He doesn't 'retain' 5th. He qualified 4th, gets pushed down to 5th, but then overtakes 4 cars to takes the lead.
terkmadugga 1 month ago
@terkmadugga ...actually, he qualified fourth then was overtaken, dropping to fifth position. So started the overtakes ... ! In 40 seconds senna overtook 12 world tittles ... with an inferior car ( ford engineering ). What he did with wendlinger is absolutely unbelieavable. Thank you Senna.
zackjr 1 month ago
@zackjr That's what I said. Qualified fourth, dropped to fifth, then took the lead...
terkmadugga 1 month ago
You are wrong buddy. Watch the films and then try to post a scrap.... a scrap with sense...
garotupr 1 month ago
Schumacher, Hill and Prost? His bitches.
DeepAbsentia 1 month ago
shumi and prost have two youtube accounts each...
levrone007 1 month ago
I did not understand one thing, is it a trailler of a movie ?
zackjr 1 month ago
Senna is the VERY BEST of the BEST...Simply the Best!!!!
GreenMove100 1 month ago
senna and schumacher both had their strengths and their weaknesses. Senna was obviously the better qualifier, schumacher usually was stronger during the race. Both great drivers in their own ways
ThreeLiterV10 1 month ago
@ThreeLiterV10 ... Senna, only the better qualifier ? lol ... please, dont say bull. When in the world Schummy was stronger during the race? Are u comparing the age of PROST, MANSELL, PIQUET ... with an age of BARRICHELLO, MONTOYA AND HILL. Of course everybody has strengths and weakness, and every age has its idols, but putting it in straight, comparing every single detail, Senna is the most prolifc, faster and genial pure driver in the history of motoracing.
zackjr 1 month ago
@zackjr senna- 65 pole positions, 41 wins. schumacher 68 pole positions, 91 wins- which shows that he was stronger in the race mathematically. If formula one was all about being fast then senna would have definitely been the better f1 driver but unfortunately its not. You have to think, save tires, save fuel, etc, which in my opinion schumacher was better than senna at (monaco 88 was a great example of this). Senna was probably the better racer, i think that schumacher was the better f1 driver
ThreeLiterV10 1 month ago
@ThreeLiterV10 youre talking shit i mean schumacher had a great car and a number 2 driver on his side with no competitive other cars in the field except 98/99. senna had prost as his teammate and the great williams. schumacher had nothing of it so it was easy to win races for him. think about it before you posting shit
Insanaty 1 month ago
@ThreeLiterV10 ... uow !! Now ure really arguing !! i like this. Good arguings u have. And i agree. But, look, u must admit that math dont explain a lot of things. To get poles u cant get that just being faster and having a fast engineering, as senna had with lotus. But the motor wasnt so regular. But ure right, not only schummi but prost too were much better than senna in strategy. Now, lets admit that Schumacher won gps and tittles in a much more poor f1 time.
zackjr 1 month ago
@zackjr yeah agreed completely. I mean I definitely understand people who think that senna was the best driver, there are perfectly good arguments for that, I just always admired schumacher for his way to think his way through a race (which personally I think is more important than qualifying but thats just me) and the way he just demolished everyone else in 01, 02, 04. thats why I think he was a better f1 driver, but thats just my opinion
ThreeLiterV10 1 month ago
@ThreeLiterV10 ... for sure, as Senna is just mine. Look, one importante thing is that sometimes Prost is underestimated. Everybody know that he sucks, but he almost won tittles in 81-83 with the second/third team, and 84 with the first team but as team mate of the great Lauda. And battleing people like Piquet. So, if Prost would battled people like Schummi battled, possibly he would win seven. Without Senna, Prost would win 88-91 in straight w the better car.
zackjr 1 month ago
@zackjr definitely plausible- so we agree to disagree then. if only more senna/schumacher fans could be that civil lol
ThreeLiterV10 1 month ago
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@ThreeLiterV10 ... thats what interesting, because Prost was always slower than Senna. It was always clear even to Prost's parents. Senna was always genial inside a car, driving completely on the limit. That was his gift. The problem was to keep the car nice to compete. In that Prost was genius. He could wait and wait, just keeping the car on road, waiting for enemies's mistakes. Maybe thats the reason most people prefers Senna instead Prost or Schummi. Senna was transcendental.
zackjr 1 month ago 20
@zackjr@zackjr I think the same way. Senna AlWAYS drove in the limit himself or of the car.
kzb007 1 month ago
@kzb007 ... for sure, friend. And Senna could show that effor to everyone who was watching him. Maybe we got the top driving exemple dying eighteen year ago, at Imola, alive to handreds of millions watching in the world. Senna was the ultimate driver.
zackjr 1 month ago
@zackjr Peoples like Senna most, becouse of him heart. I'm a Brazillian, and I can garantee you, Senna was better as a personal, than as driver.
pipocobain 3 weeks ago
@zackjr While what you say was certainly accurate during qualifying, in which senna would basically always smoke prost, sometimes by huge amounts, you could argue prosts racecraft was as good if not better than senna, after all for senna to be so much quicker in qualifying prost could beat senna very often during races. Also note historically senna does not have that many fastest laps (race) in his career.
MrKinghit 2 weeks ago
@MrKinghit ...(01) Your arguing is completely plausible but i sincerely dont believe in that. Senna had only 15 best laps, ure right, but lets go step by step. I dont think fastest lap in gp is a good subject to avaliate driving skill during gps. Villeneuve had 8 fastest lap in 69 starts, for exemple, and so ? Juan Pablo MOntoya had 12 fastests laps in 96 starts. But they have respectively 6 and 7 wins. That can explain some. Fastest lap can explain underdog behavior.
zackjr 2 weeks ago
@MrKinghit (2) - rarely fastest lap goes to the leader, who has a lot to lose. And after the 88 monaco gp, when he was a minute and a half ahead of Prost and hit the guardhail with less than 10 laps to go, Senna started be more carefull in gps. GPs hability is better measured in dogfights face to face, isnt ? And they had an unique situation, the two better drivers in the better can. And Senna had advantage, losing only by engineering fails. In 89 he had 6 retirements.
zackjr 2 weeks ago
@zackjr schumi was not the example of prost, schumacher was very fast and many time risking and putting all the others in situations like senna itself did but not always, he was sometimes acting like prost you say, that why he has 7 titles, he had both good sides from Senna and Prost, he knew when to push and when to be cautios...
ToSeFOREVERandAFTER 1 week ago
@ToSeFOREVERandAFTER ... u cannot forget thet the enemies of schummi were not like enemies of prost and senna. Senna, without Prost would win 4 straight tittles in Mc Laren. Prost Would do the same. Shummi won 5 in straights because had Juan Pablo MOntoya as enemy. Mansell, Piquet .. both in competitive teams .. Mansell in unbeattable Willians, Prost in Uble Willians, and Senna won 5 gps that year. Senna last 5 years to have a competitive car to win champs, MS 3.
zackjr 1 week ago
Senna was great but I like Schumacher more. And I watched both of them.
Slu4ainika 1 month ago
@Slu4ainika ... That's not the question here, the question is not WHO I LIKE MORE, the question is WHO IS BETTER. People like Lebron James more, but even most of them admit Michael Jordan was much better at all. Im sorry, friend, but there must be a reason. Would you mind to share ? Why do u like Schummi more?
zackjr 1 month ago
@zackjr Schumacher is a born winner and a born champion. Senna on the other hand looked somewhat more relaxed, more silent. He just like Schumi was racing to win, not to be on the podium or to be in the points spots. Schumacher for me has the killer instinct more. I started watchin F1 in early 90s and after Senna died I thought I can stop watchin but no.. Schumacher just made me seat and still watch even without Senna. Schumacher is pretty underrated by the Senna fans which is stupid IMO
Slu4ainika 1 month ago
@Slu4ainika .. im sorry, but i did not understand one thing. Where in the world senna looked more relaxed and silent. Senna fans are stupid and u say that Senna was relaxed and silent. See Mansell talking about senna and u will know what senna was .... !!! i think u should watch in youtube more videos about f1 ... and count how many talks about senna and schummi. If u consider the most of the world stupid and people that do not know about motoracing, good luck in your life.
zackjr 1 month ago
one of my idols... great clip
fatjay105 1 month ago
one day , god was so mad , cause none was so good driver as HE want...then , HE turn in Ayrton and says..." Ayrton my child , go down in earth to saw them how should they drive..." ;)
alpinpireas 1 month ago
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" if he had survived Imola 94, we would all be racing for the second place"
Michael Schumacher
zackjr 1 month ago
His belief in a god gave him confidence. Awesome driver.
Xylber 1 month ago
@Xylber ... for sure, dude. But i think people are so unfair with Senna, putting his belief ahead of his ability. Wasnt his belief that made his really a genius, special ... was his hardworking ...
zackjr 1 month ago
the BEST WHEN it is rainning,,,no doubt...but SCHUMACER when it is not rainning.Iam from Brazil.But iam not a FANATIC.
guspleite 1 month ago
@guspleite fuck schumacher - that cheating cunt :/
thylegion 1 month ago
@guspleite .... lololol .. dont make me laugh. Senna was the best only in rainning weather ? lolol
zackjr 1 month ago
the film is on netflix. go see it NOW!!! tiitle is SENNA
oldsklteg 1 month ago
the best when it was rainning.the best.a genious.
guspleite 1 month ago
also senna's throttle technique was very good too. instead of gradually increasing the throttle coming out of a corner, he would stab at it, in a percussive way similar to how ABS works. the helped him scream out of corners faster than most people & of course, the speed you have coming out of a corner is most important, but he also would go into a corner faster than anyone else too, he's the best. schumacher is the second best. don't know how old farts can think fangio measures up in anyway
thnk4urself 1 month ago
Great video
Anime998877 1 month ago
ive seen people who go close to the wall and are not faster because they lack the car control.
Throttle re engangement modulation braking and the best thing this video can come up with is the assumption that he just drove closer to the wall every lap.
This video is like "how ayrton senna was so fast aswered by someone who knows nearly nothing about racing"
stellpoons 1 month ago
@stellpoons Jesus, its like your going to cry just because someone had the audacity to look for something else other than throttle control. EVERYone knows about senna's throttle and brake technique but unless I'm mistaken, a car has more controls than a throttle and brake. I am unconvinced that the throttle/brake technique was the only answer to why he was fast. There was more to it than that, so credit to the guy who made this video for at least looking for more answers.
stzzla 1 month ago
@stellpoons I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for you because you have stopped looking for answers and you believe you know why senna was so fast. That is very un-senna like to stop and think you know everything. Senna never stopped looking for improvements, so we should not stop looking for the ways he improved himself. There's more, but if it was down to know-it-alls like you, we would all stop looking for the more. I thank god I am not like you.
stzzla 1 month ago
Senna had an out of body experience at Monaco 1988. The book Overdrive by Clyde Brolin covers it more. It's crazy how far he could push a car. Mind = blown.
TinTin22b 1 month ago
I enjoy "Posey's Perspective". Sam Posey is great, and his explanations are superb!
MrFormulaOne2011 1 month ago 2
The person speaking is Sam Posey. He is an ex-driver, and very well studied student of motorsport and F1 in particular. Not a full0time commentator, but supports the US broadcasts of F1 on SpeedTV.
TheSphinxster 1 month ago
There is no "maybe" - Senna WAS WITHOUT ANY DOUBT WHATSOEVER - THE BEST OF THE BEST OF ALL TIME!
BiggerThinking1 1 month ago
@BiggerThinking1 keep in mind this was made in america. nascar worship limits our acceptance of your driving heroes. I'm an american who believes senna was the best but most of my friends don't know who he is and have never watched F1.
quasiphatpaul 1 month ago
@quasiphatpaul American ignorance is staggering - Senna was unquestionably the greatest driver of all time - light years beyond Earnhardt or whoever it is that Americans know about. Beyond even Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan - only Mohammed Ali comes close - thats how huge Senna was - and yet "most people never heard of him"? Jesus Christ USA is warped!
BiggerThinking1 1 month ago
@BiggerThinking1 Dude you need to chill!!!!, no need to hate like that you hear me, YOU!!! are being ignorant for calling an entire nation ignorant, who the hell made you an expert??? focus on your own shit and let people be ok?
gurujpf66 1 month ago
TUSICCC
TUSICCC 1 month ago
Ayrton Senna is the best driver that ever lived.
With a great personality and charismatic aura.
He's still alive in a lot of people's hearts.
MrDicekey 1 month ago 4
"For all those people in Brazil, for his fans around the world, he will alwasy be young, Ayrton Senna will always be fast, he'll never be old, he will always be the champion of Brazil and of the world." John Bisignano - 'Senna' Movie
23deniro23 1 month ago 9
Shumi and Prost don't liked this video
:P
marcoaurelioeb 2 months ago 29
@marcoaurelioeb hahahahahaha...it has to be them can't be explained otherwise.
KLucifer 1 month ago
gurujpf66: a brilliant and insightful video and completely true ... he was not only gifted but a true genius.
chalkeagle 2 months ago
So FALTA SOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM! MUITO BAIXO
andtapes 2 months ago
And people say Americans know nothing about F1 :P
On a serious note however, Ayrton Senna's skill transcended belief and interpretation. Beyond words and comprehension, this man.
S7r0ng3r 2 months ago
guys how do i get into formula 1 ?
melisevo 2 months ago 2
@melisevo
watch it.
sticktoyourguns13 2 months ago
@melisevo you simply don't
joaomachadodesilva 2 months ago
@joaomachadodesilva you doubt on me
melisevo 1 month ago
@melisevo I do
joaomachadodesilva 1 month ago
@melisevo You need parents with at least $1 million preferably $2 million to blow on a small chance that you will get there. Dont even bother - its a rich kids sport.
BiggerThinking1 1 month ago
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@BiggerThinking1
Kubica was there and his parents had no where NEAR that! He and his family worked hard for the success.
polakatl 1 month ago
2 no likes!!! schumi fans????
dvdesprza 2 months ago
if you've read interviews of drivers who have won in monaco, they all say to go fast you do have to lightly brush the rails with the sidewall of the tires. so i can see what he means by it looks like he's driving through the rails especially at the manic rate they're driving.
nysdgiants 2 months ago
Great video!
TheMrMouth 2 months ago
That onboard from monaco is from 1990, not 1988.
NOXXism 2 months ago
Not maybe. He was the best of the best! Great driver,and great caracter.
Coossyy 2 months ago 36
@Coossyy don't forget Juan Manuel Fangio
4rk4de 1 month ago
@Coossyy Also Nuvolari was a legend. even when he began to race he was already a legend.
blooregart 1 month ago
Pretty extraordinary.
FormulaOneFan4Eva 2 months ago
This is SpeedTV contributor, Sam Posey doing the narration here.
jonnyspa27 2 months ago
R.i.p
REZtastic 2 months ago
DUMPERT
patj0on 2 months ago
I hate that they call Prost Alane Proast lol
jackobcooper 2 months ago 3
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Good clip except at 2min mark it all goes to shit when the narrator starts talking about gods.
Chumppi 2 months ago
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Chumppi 2 months ago
Awesome clip.... Where is this segment from?
gold333 4 months ago 3
@gold333 Is part of the American F1 broadcast
gurujpf66 4 months ago 4
@gurujpf66 do americans watch F1?i didn't know^^
enverelkeda 3 months ago
@enverelkeda There's a few of us who do ;-)
jonnyspa27 2 months ago
@enverelkeda This American watches F1, and has been watching for more than 30 years.
veedub87 2 months ago