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  • damn justin jammin out hes fuckin good

  • Listen up, you can hear the same high pitched douchebag say "Shut the fuck up asshole" AGAIN at 9:43. Some people just can't handle Adam D's awesomeness.

  • hahaha he says: holy fuckin diver,holy fuckin shit!

  • lol its my curse

  • lol " is this golden gods or a fuckin Tampax convention"

  • ozzy how tha fuck r u live u son of a bitch? ahhahaha funny shit adam kicks ass at shows

  • lol

  • haha he says: MAKE SOME FUCKIN NOISE RIGHT NOW!! Is this the golden gods?! or a tampax convension?! WAKE THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKIN PUSSYS!! pussy pussy pussy pussy! lmao

  • lol i just watched the tv version and couldn't stop laughing at the long ass beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep streak adam had

  • @ 5:05

    Some fag says shut the fuck up.

    He clearly is a dumbass who's balls still haven't dropped.

  • you can tell that he's one of those fat dudes who have the high voices

  • @MetalMaple Actually dude, At that show ( I was there ) There was a good load of hardcore megadeth fans. and you know most (not all) of them are pretty closed minded dickheads so they were standing around finding things to bitch about. Though I personally think Megadeth was only good when they had Marty. but yeah, that fag was probably one of those hardcore megadeth fans :P

  • WTF is Adam saying at 0:33? Something with pussy haha! It sounded hillarious!

  • ow my crotch hurts after hearing those sweeeet pinches. love killswitch live i wanna see them sooooo bad!

  • EPIKKKK!!!!! haha Adam is soooo funny, his outfits are hilarious and i love how he screams at the crowd.  When i saw them Howard was yelling at these people way up high in the back and was like "wtf r u guys doin back there?" and Adam goes up to the mic and is like "well i guess its okay cuz after we're done playing they can go get MORE TAMPONS!!!!"

  • Ha ha nice,when i saw them in maine he said that maine reaked of tampons because we were all abunch of pussies ha ha

  • ahaha I was there , i started laughing my ass off during the whole rant. that set was awesome haha

  • LLLLOOOOOLLLLL!!!!!! hahahahaha

  • lol.....adam

  • this isnt new?

    isnt it rose a sharyn? (spelling?)

    lol

  • no, the new song starts at 1:57. the first is my curse and after light in darken world, it's holy diver

  • lol its My Curse

  • lol

    im retarded

    my curse

  • I remember this man it was a while ago but dam gud times

    I luv this song the concert was awsome man i jst luved it what can i say

  • i hope there new album will be kick ass that's all that matters

  • If i knew the guy who told Adam D to shut the fuck up, Id fucking beat the living shit out of him so badly.....

  • The guy who said that was probably an Atreyu fan

  • LOL!!!

  • AHAHAHAHAHA

  • @djc2282 lol

  • @djc2282 I don't know if Atreyu has fans THAT gay, lol. Probably likes shit like From First to Last

  • what a douchebag huh? who tells Adam D to shut the fuck up? Adam could kick his ass anyday. He's 6'4" supposedly and just look at those sideburns!!!! hahaha

  • LMAO 'shut the fuck up'

    LMAO, what a special child

  • Phil ftw

  • Jesse was also that type of a singer but also with a lil soulfullness lol. Jesse was kind of a cross between Howard and Phil in SINGING style. not exactly but it in nearly inmeasureable ways. as far as scrreaming, Phil's screaming is much more versataille and raw than howards. what it comes down to for me is just the fact that I like the sound of Phils and Jesse's voices better. that's it for me and that's why I understand that ppl are glad they chose howard, it's merely an opinion!!!! that's it

  • shut the fuck up dude. you obviously don't even listen to ATR at all or old Shad Fall so don't comment on a singer if you're totally ignorant to his work. Phil's melodies are much more contemporary, more like melodic singers such as Maynard. yes obviously they sound nothing alike I know but if you listen to his singing on this darkened heart, his melodies are a lil more like that type of singer. Howards melodies can sometimes sound a lil more traditional and soulful, more 80's style anthemic

  • I'm not trying to argue,I'm just trying to put it into a different perspective. Harold isn't so bad to the point where it's worth arguing. he's actually not bad at all, he's a good singer but so is Jesse. when people say that Jesse sucks or whatever, it's just not true so that's something that will get a rise out of people. but if you just like Howard better, I actually envy you big time lol. but either way, KsE is such a great band. Jesse or Harold, KsE is still incredible either way

  • i just like howard better get over it how can you argue against at something i like

  • i do too, and i agree. ppl should just let people like what they want.

  • Their new upcoming single - 'Reckoning'!

    Get it in HQ MP3.

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  • Link didn't work for me. =/

  • oh and yeah I know his name is really Howard Jones so don't correct me. I call him Harold Hogan because it's funny and because he looks like he could be a pro wrestler and he's also into wrestling. Harold Hogan

  • what are you two? shut the fuck up.

  • I totally agree. I really don't think that anyone who got really into Alive or Just Breathing before hearing the following albums could possibly like Harold better than Jesse. Jesse is hands down better at everything. Lyrics, screaming, yelling, emotion and clean singing to. the only reason ppl say that Jesse screams better but Harold sings better is because Harold has a more traditional style, but that doesn't make him better at all. he sings too traditional. sometimes it's cheesy sounding

  • you have to be on some serious CRANK to think howard is better than jesse.. Jesse would put howard to shame any day of the week

  • howard is better than jesse

  • Adam is fucking hilarious, i laughed so hard at the tampax comment, nobody else could get away with that lmfao!

  • ' I see so much compassion.........--is this what we're dying for?' - i think that's as much as i can make out from the first verse, sounds like gd material fr new album

  • "i see so much corruption (maybe?), and its hard to engulf(maybe?), with an army of...." haha im talking out of my ass now.

    I cant wait for this CD!

  • JAJAJAJJAA ADAMS IS CRAZY

    JAJJA YEAA!!!! Killswitch Engage My favorite band

    yeaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • i wish they would come to hawaii :(

    there so fun live! i mean damn!

    look at the crowd!

  • lol whoever yelled shut the fuck up is a FUCKING jackass, he was obviously joking you dumb shit

  • Jesse will always be my favorite, but he wouldnt fit in with killswitch's new style. Don't get me wrong, Howard's no slouch and he is definately the best choice for the band, but I liked their old style of music better. They were a bit thrashier (i.e. Irreversal, Vide Infra, Into The Unblind, and especially To The Sons of Man), and I think with actual singing, I thought Jesse was much better. But Howard is pretty damn good.

  • i mean everyone has their prefrences. i personally like the style howard brings. his melodic voice is just amazing. but yes i do like when they were heavier and thrashier. howard cant do some of the things jesse could

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  • well some songs with Howard are fucking AMAZING (Unbroken, Breathe Life, Take This Oath [with guest vocals by Jesse, fuck yea!], and ESPECIALLY Reject Yourself). I just don't like some of the softer stuff (End of Heartache, Arms of Sorrow, My Curse). But some of the new stuff is pretty damn good. But then again, go listen to the Self-Titled and Alive or Just Breathing, especially In The Unblind or Irreversal from self, and Just Barely Breathing and To The Sons of Man from AoJB. Jesse is GOD

  • really? i like love my curse. end of heartache and arms of sorrow are ok but not as good as my curse. i like the meoldies of the guitars and the simple but somewhat complexity of the drums by justin.

  • When Killswitch asked Howard to be in the band at first, he said he wasn't too sure because Killswitch Engage was not heavy enough for Howard.

  • Well Blood Has Been Shed is MUCH heavier than Killswitch, this is true, but the band's overall sound with Jesse was MUCH more aggressive than Killswitch's newer stuff. Compare Unbroken or Still Beats Your Name (which i think are Howard's heaviest songs) with Just Barely Breathing. or Irreversal, or Vide Infra, or In The Unblind, or To The Sons of Man (get the picture lol) from Jesse. But let's stop arguing, because I NEVER said that I don't like Howard. I think he's an AMAZING vocalist.

  • Agree completely actually, because I feel that Jesse Leach was much more agressive than Howard Jones. Howard is a better vocalist, but Jesse was more raw by far, which I really enjoy.

  • yep Jesse has more emotions than howard in my opinion.

  • hm I would say it is just different,cause howard has more like an opera vioce^^

  • lol its more soul than opera

    its the vibrato at the end of his long notes

  • Haha Harold does sing opera style. He's not a better singer and especially can't scream as well as Jesse either. harold din't wanna join cuz KsE wasn't heavy enough yet he's causing them to be less and less heavy. doesn't make sense. and what kind of a name is Harold Hogan anyway? what is he a pro wrestler?

  • his name is howard jones..........

  • well could you imagine if phil labonte(ATR) got the job? what would kilswitch be with out howard and with phil?

  • Shitter melodies

    Slightly different screams.

  • pussy pussy pussies lol i love adam hes such a joker

  • howard wasn't at his best but still freaking awosome

  • these guys are awesome live, seen them 8 times, met them 3 times (cool guys aswell). All That Remains supported them in Jan 2005, EPIC!

  • god i can not wait for the new album my all time faviote band and taht is alot from me b/c i love so many bands lol

  • 0:26 HAHAHAH Adam D. <3

  • You fucking old fucks.

  • man i just seen them live the other day and they werent as good live (to me anyways) as they were last year and they year before when i saw them :/ but i mean i love them regardless haha

  • lol somone tryed to tell adam d to shut the fuck up

  • and epic failed lol

  • If was anyone else they would be looked down upon fo behaving in such a rude way, but since its Adam all they can do is laugh and say "That's Adam for ya."

    I wanted to see this show live in Los Angeles but I fount out at the last minute. Then I was looking forward to seeing it on MTV2 but I didn't have the channel and I was pissed off. Thank god for youtube.

    Can't wait for their new album coming out June 30.

  • BTW can anyone decipher what Howard is exactally saying durring the chorus?

  • "Your all a bunch of pussies, pussy, pussy, pussy" lol

  • anyone can respect an opinion like that. I just prefer Jesse over any metalcore singer around. It was an arguement over who has the louder and more powerful scream which Jesse does but volume and power of one aspect of a singers talents shouldn't dictate your preference so it makes sense that people can like Howard better. Jesse's new bands really good, the empire shall fall

  • They are both different, Howard has a loud downpitched voice, Jesse is more the core type, near the punk limit. I love the alive or just breathing but Jesse's vocals would not be adequate for the new sound of KSE. Altough, both of them are great vocalist!

  • haha at 9:41 you hear the same guy go "shut the fuck up asshole!!"

    i wish i was there so i could beat that faggots ass.. bitch.. adams the shit!!

  • Heh, while I kinda agree, that's not how I would have put it, lol. But meh, that's Adam for you XD

  • Adam D is the fucking man haha

  • they didnt really seem to like kse too much.. fuck those fans!!

  • i watched the golden gods award on tv, the crowd was awful for everyband

  • really? they need some real fans there. it was funny how on tv it was imposible to listen to the music because adam was swearing and it just keep bleeping out lmao.

  • yeah, the only good crowd was for Megadeth

  • man.. mike looks so much better.. not in a gay way.. but he looks like he lost weight and changed his style.. hes kinda under-appreciated in the band i'd say.

  • yeah but hopefully he has some fat bass lines in the new album

  • what is the new album called?

  • It's self-titled

  • they best be doin a fuckin UK tour with the new album, i'd have to yawn rape adam d if they dont. new song sounds immense, junes too far away.

  • I agree I badly want to see them. I hadn't heard of them in 2007 which is when they were last in scotland so i would really like to see them some time soon

  • at 0:30 adam is rite fuckin fans didnt make any noise at all i was like u fuckin fagguts the fans sucked balls

  • LMFAO at afdam D at 3.36 running in circles XD mega cant wait for theyre new album in june! -jordan-

  • haahaha such a small bass drum :P badass

  • Phil is the singer from all that remains(not half as good as killswitch) who tried out for Killswitch engage. Howard is The Shit. If you disagree you can suck my left nut. I do agree that Jesse was a great singer and he did help get the band known.

  • but fuck off if you think that killswitch would be as good as they are now or would have written as many great songs as they did. Jesse's voice is amazing(not discounting Howards) but he had to strain and basically kill himself when ever he sang. He had way less skill than howard has.(i still like it, it was raw and awesome but howards is way better)

  • Try and tell me Jesse's Scream and Melodies Beats Howard's Scream and Melodies.(Melodies as in melodic singing vs. growling or screaming)

    But Fuck it!

    Killswitch is Amazing!

    Agreed eh?

  • it doesnt beat it, yet Jesse was a good singer and it fit their style perfectly, if Jesse didnt sing that way Howard Probably wouldnt even be in KsE

  • agreed! god at least some1 knows where i'm coming from!

  • agreed. if you prefer howard thats cool but when somebody insulted jesse and say he's not even on the same level just pissed me off because they're both good and pretty similar. believe me KsE wouldn't be one of my favorite bands if I didn't like howard too, it's just that he literally does not have as powerful or loud of a scream but that doesn't mean it can't still sound better to some people. it's just a stupid thing to argue over considering jesse will never be back in KsE

  • if its dumb to argue cuz jesse isnt coming back then you need to chill. acting all personal jeez. and Yeah Grammy nominations and sales obviously mean better or least a more popular band. I do listen to junk that isnt even considered 'top notch' and I love it, but the poser thing? comin' really? Adam sings the song for emos, not posers. Relax jesse lover, 'I didnt mean to spark off your little poser identifier.' Gotta be lame to call people posers. shame on you little boy

  • what, i think Howards voice is waaaaaaay more powerful, i really like jesse too, but his voice sounds kind of empty, howards just packs so much punch especially in Holy Diver

  • sorry but you guys gotta realize what microphones can do. i've heard each singer scream without a microphone in their faces and howards is actually very quiet. jesse belts his out very loudly. howards uses his hands to surround the mike so that his screams seem louder through a mike and they both use alot of compression which brings the volume of their screams to a similar volume.

  • it's all about dynamics and jesse's dynamic range is just much higher when he screams than howards. and don't come back and say that howards range is higher because he can hit higher notes, i said dynamic range. look it up in a dictionary

  • whether or not his ranges are higher i like howard way more than jesse. no offense but howards sound intrigues me.

    Howard was the perfect choice imo.

  • that's cool, when did u get to hear each of them screaming without mics?

  • at zing a year or two ago

  • oh and recently I heard Jesse warming up at the new wave in new bedford with his new band the empire shall fall. I couldn't believe they were playing that place but you gotta start somewhere right

  • All of you Howard haters are just mad bcuz a black man is succeeding in a white mans game

  • he is succeding along with god forbid. i think it's great i just don't think it's fair to compare him to jesse cuz there is no comparison. howard is a good due and a good singer

  • new song sounds sweet, cant express my love for adam d, his random shit just gets better and better.

  • this is a great cover dio would defintly be proud lol

  • pretty epic. Dio would be proud

  • idiot, its "My Curse". I can play it, the guitarists actually made some mistakes! playin live, it mustve been embarressing.

  • lol.. when your Adam D you don't make mistakes, everyone else around you makes them.

  • listen to the second intro part... really heavy. skipped some notes... hard song, but a difficult piking pattern.

  • what was the first song?

  • My Curse

  • ....I hope you don't consider yourself a true Killswitch fan...

  • Ozzy, how the fuck are you alive you son of a bitch XD Anyone hear the squeaky little bastard telling adam to shut the fuck up?

  • lol that dude's voice morphed from a little boy to a guy from newfoundland in like a second. lol

  • everyones saying that this sounds the same as the other songs. dont forget they did say they were trying to go for a different sound, so it maybe that this song does sound the same, but we havent properly heard every over song on the new album, and dont forget its only just been announced :)

    imo Im liking the sound of the new song :D

  • I wish I knew who that guy in the crowd was who said, "Shut the f**k up!", to Adam was. I will kill him xO

  • I love the way they end My Curse live!

  • I think im a little behind.. Did Mike D cut his hair!?

  • its always been cut but the bass player had his cut though

  • Mike D IS the bass player.. ;P

  • I don't think alive or just breathing had thin guitar sound. It was thick and heavy, almost too much but it's still a good sounding album. It definetly has a deeper guitar sound but tonally it isn't as good as EOH or ADD. AOJB is still the best tho (wonder why?)

  • nice! sounds like a blend of the killswitch we all know with some old school metal !

    cant wait :D

  • Can't see why people are badmouthing ADD, its an epic album, just like all their others are. I love all their albums and the different guitar tones they have used on each album, and i can't wait for the new album just cos i cant wait to hear more Killswitch.

    Was keeping an eye out for some vertigo squeals in Holy Diver but couldn't spot any!

  • Guitar tone on alive or just breathing is utter shit though..Joel of KsE agrees with me, they used some program or something I forget, but it took away the bass of the amps cabs and made it sound thin. I love the different tones, EOH is very very heavy and scooped, ADD was more mids and rich sounding, all great tones!

  • I disagree, strongly! (that the tone is utter shit - not that it made it sound thin) (cos the tone is thin (compared to EOH & ADD) but its still heavy and schweeeeeeet - how could you possibly dislike the tone during those rundowns in my last serenade (prechoruses))

  • meh... it just sounds like a think buzzy tooth brush too me lol.

  • The tone worked for every song on the album, however, Adam D is just that good a producer that he makes a quality track, every track. Even after listening to the albums hundreds of times i still find the tones fascinating, nay, enchanting!

    Thanks for an intelligent and engaging (pun intended) response!

  • I love the heavy metal genre and many different extremely deathcore bands to slightly softer bands like KSE. KSE are my all time fave and I can understand why many people hate the direction their music is going and the fact that it sounds like the stuff from As Daylight Dies but they can't change completely, since it's their style and they want to keep the majority of it then they won't chnge as much as you want them to on their next album

  • is this golden gods or a fucking tampax convention?!!!

  • more bands should pick on the crowd for being a bunch of vaginas, it's metal, not a fuckin elton john concert. if you're not getting brain damage in the pit then your singing along. poorly. otherwise you need some tampoons for your bloody vag

  • Before all you emo-kids and hxc fans get butthurt: I've been a huge KsE fan for nearly a decade. And until I hear a studio/CD version of this song and the rest of the new album I'll leave my mind open, but if this song is supposed to be a good representation of the new album, it's going to blow. It sounds like As Daylight Dies 1.5. The corus sounds very similar to Let The Bridges Burn.

    Again, I'll hold my judgements until the new album drops, but my expectations have been lowered by this video

  • It doesn't sound that bad dude, I'm an old-school Killswitch fan too and I gotta say that I like this song more than anything on as daylight dies. The chorus & melodic riffs are better/catchier and this song has blast beats at the beginning(If I'm not mistaken). Awesome?

  • I didn't hear the blast-beats, so there you go. That's why i'm holding final judgement until the actual record is released. I don't even care if there's blast-beats throughout though, because continuous blast-beats suck. But I also dont want them to add them here&there just to appease a heavier fanbase. I want them to make a heavy, original sounding record. Of course, this song could be the 'single' and have a more accessible, catchy sound to it, but still it just sounds like As Daylight Dies.

  • so you mean that As Daylight Dies is their weakest album? I think that End of Heartache has heavier songs, but they are all mediocre, As Daylight Dies has the eipc and the ones that aren't as epic, but stil pretty good. Alive or just breathing? I dont know, I never liked Jesse's scream, Howard is a lot more powerful, actually if Howard didnt get recruiter, I would rather get Phil Labonte than Jesse. Phil is way better than Jesee, but not as good as Howard, prett close though

  • IMO, ADD is the weakest. I still like it. But even to this date, I still listen to EOH on a fairly regular basis, wheareas i've basically stopped listening to ADD. It's good, but it's just not as memorable to me. The guitars have a flat sounding tone. As for the new song here, the 'clean' part is the EXACT rhythm pattern as My Curse, which makes me think the new record will be like ADD. Joel and Adam need to go back and write crunchy riffs a la Rose of Sharyn, World Ablaze & When Darkness Falls.

  • I can definitely see what you're saying. I think end of heartache is awesome, I thought the riffs were a tad better. I still listen to alive or just breathing as well, i think its an amazing album. I'm still excited to hear the new album.

  • I can see how it sounds like My Curse, but it doesn't sound flat. They're in harmony. No flat or sharp notes here, or in ADD. Joel sometimes plays an octave lower than Adam, and they cover a full scale, it's kinda hard to say they have a flat tone when they do that. I would say the clean part does have the same note scale as My Curse, but it's strum pattern is different. Good ear, I didnt hear it at first, but I sound very familar. I would have to disagree with you though. Similar but different

  • Joel and Adam do make some wicked harmonies together, but what I meant by flat was the sound of the guitar. the notes just don't seem to ring-out like they do on End of Heartache. It's like the guitars weren't recorded as loudly, it sounds slightly muffled in a sense. Either way, I'd wish they would release a single or something so we can hear a good studio quality version of a new song so I can have a better opinion of the new material.

  • Yeah the new material will have to be released with studio quality for that examination. In my opinion, they're both pretty much the same in quality. Howard's vocals do shine more in ADD, perhaps that is why the guitars sound muffled? Still though I think we all can agree these guys are awesome.

  • A bid farewell, take this oath, when darkness falls, rose of sharyn, inhale, breathe life, the end of heartache, declaration, world ablaze, and embers rise, wasted sacrifice, hope is... mediocre songs???

  • no not at all! I just think that tihs album's songs sound too similar. I listen to it two times through and I put in ADD. one thing I do have to say though is that I never really skip a song on EoH. I always skip Eye of the storm when the tempo slows. Mediocre yes, when compared to each other. The sound is too similar on that album, nothing really distinct. ADD has more variation.

  • I have to say Phil is on exact levels with Howard, actually. I've heard both bands are still really close friends despite Howard being picked.

  • I think Some of Phil's screams are better but Howard's cleans are sky higher

  • I think phils a much better and more creative singer. his screams are powerful like jesse's but they sound different and he has a great voice. I think less fans would've been alienated if they went with phil instead

  • Who the fuck is Phil? There's only been Jesse and Howard.

  • Phil is from All That Remains, he tried out for KsE when Jesse left but Howard was chosen. He sings with KsE in some songs from End of HEartache and he admits that Howard is better in the 'World Ablaze' dvd. Check out his band, they're really good but make sure to check their older album called 'The Fall of Ideals' the newer one, 'Overcome', is not as good.

  • phil labonte from all that remains. he was the second choice they had after howard when they were replacing Jesse.

  • Can you imagine If Phil joined Killswitch? That shit would be crazy!

  • nope

  • hell yeah. I think it would've fit alot better

  • HAha negative three for approval. Jesse's out!!!!!! HAHAHAHA better with Howard all you Leach fanboys! Grow out of it, they've had more success with Howard!

  • fuck you

  • grow up little boy. hahaha

  • Finally, some sense around here.

  • you can't grow out of something like that you faggot. harolds lyrics suck and this video is a perfect example of how much he sucks live. and KsE would've been more successful with jesse. there are so many ppl that don't like KsE anymore cuz jesse left so go suck your dads dick poser

  • first, who is harold? haha right, and I'm the retard. hahah I think you meant Howard. I'm not gonna argue with you kid. all I wanna say is, Grammy nomination with Howard, more sales with Howard, even if he does cup the mic (not mike) he sounds better than Jesse. You're telling me to suck my dad's balls? Well it sounds like you went down on Jesse, acting so protective over his 'scream.' Get a life. Jesse must've emotionally raped you with his scream and made you like him. haha grow up.

  • okay so you think album sales and grammy nominations make someone a better singer and you're telling me to grow up? obviously you don't play enough music to know that album sales and awards don't mean shit. it's posers like you that give adam reasons to call the crowd a bunch of pussies cuz you just sit in the back and wack off cuz clearly you're in love with harold

  • Who the fuck is Harold? You mean HOWARD? If you can't even name the singer, you probably shouldn't talk shit.

  • its a joke man. I know his name but call him harold hogan anyways

  • wow you really are a fuckin retard. you think that harolds scream is more powerful> you're fuckin out of your mind or deaf. harold's scream isn't even that loud unmiked while jesse belted his screams out. harolds screams are so weak compared to even phil's. harold cups the mike to make them louder but even still there's no fuckin way you have any idea if you're that much of an idiot to say something like. fuckin mongoloid faggot

  • FUCK YOU

  • IF you have headphones on and listen close at 9:42 - 9:44 you can hear the guy from 5:05 go "shut the fuck up asshole" ahahaa

  • I love that lil harmony they do for the intro to holy diver.

  • hah yea! he got really offended by that! It was a bit harsh tho :P

  • that person at 5:06 didn't know killswitch, thats ok. New song destroys

  • @ 5:05, that pansy is aparently at the wrong venue if their feelings got hurt. what a fuckstain.