1/3 Psychology experiment on adolescent conformity

[bboydevs]

I dont know why people dont understand conformity! i see it all the time! Different nieghborhoods promote certain behavior. People from the outside of that situation judge as if their judgement itself doesn't devrive from their environment. Self-awarness

[costa020]

Having watched the 3 parts of this I would tentatively suggest their is a bit of a confound in the freedom the peers have to react. From what I understand, the original study by Asch was less interactive. Their constant laughter seems to change the dynamic of the study from being one of a person feeling like a statistical minority to maybe more a question of how vulnerable people are to ridicule. Either way, with a sample like this it probably produces the same results and I love this video

[spiralgear]

Its because he doesn't care about the experiment, and there are no consequences for answering incorrectly. If you did this same study on people in a high pressure situation where they stood a chance of loosing something they would be much more vocal and confident in their opinions.

If you strip away the premise of the experiment, its just a simple choice with an obvious answer.

A: Say something you don't care about and get mocked

B: Say something you dont care about and don't get mocked.

[grumbles]

@spiralgear That is a good point, and there was a variable that attempted to control for that, at least to an extent; I told the kids that the "real" experiment was a test on perception, but that we first had to do a "part 1" (i.e., the experiment you see here) as a formality just to make sure there were no problems, before going on to the part 2 which would be the "actual experiment"/ In reality, there was no "part 2", and the actual real experiment was the "part 1". The idea was that there

[grumbles]

@spiralgear was some importance to the answers they were giving, and that it did have an effect on whether we could continue to part 2 or not

[bboydevs]

i see adults do this all the time. the group can kiss my ass is how i always felt

[TheLethaxx]

Charlie seemed confident because of his social status as you said, the thing that gets me is when he challenges students that are much older than him. cant understand why he did that.

[thegoonist]

FUCKIN IDIOT LMAO!!! that guy was awesome hahahaaha

[wizkeyzero]

very good video. Enjoyed watching it!

[grumbles]

@kistershi i think you're right, perhaps in the middle he was more puzzled than unsure. being older and more mature now than when i made this, i'm sure there are other things i could have a new opinion on now. good catch =]

[grumbles]

@kistershi yeah charlie's in college now, doing well. and nope, everyone i did it on is in the video. thanks for the compliment, yeah i did it for an adolescent psych class. we could either write a paper or do some sort of presentation, and i thought this would be fun

[DaylightSpeaks]

very professional, nicely done guys :D

[darkAngelLuna]

intresting.

[CharlySah]

CHARLY/CHARLIE POWER

[XXRevolveXX]

"Fucking idiot!" lol

[lg123xyz]

Way to go Charlie

[s33thr3w]

6:53 "fucking idiot." funniest part.

[Crazee108]

at 3:19 he shakes his head as he says "A" and sounds so defeated... oh kevin.

[marginallyxinsane]

Some people, though, would go with the majority because the test is so simple that they may feel like they're overlooking something. For example, if everyone ALL said the incorrect answer, even someone who doesn't value socializing at all might have changed their mind because they're likely wrong.

In Kevin's case, though, it was most likely social. He knew the answer, but saw that Jeff, who guessed the right answer, was treated poorly.

[grumbles]

that is very true. there are 2 kinds of social influence: normative and informational. kevin is an example or normative, he knew he was wrong but due to the social "norm" created by the group he went along with them anyway--a conscious decision to change even though you believe something else.

Informational is what you described first--if you are unsure about something, or there is some ambiguity, you go along with them, even if you felt differently, because you think they music be correct

[marginallyxinsane]

@grumbles Exactly. [: And thank you.

[darkneomartin]

hah so much cussing around 645

[lygophile]

this is possibly the best video ever made, i loved it, thanks for doing this.

however, i'm not sure we can conclude it has to do with self-identity or so.

i would have never gone with the group (and felt like shit about it), but i had no identity of my own (wore whatever clothes my mother bought until i was about 16), this took a while to develop, probably because it was bullied out of me.

but meh, perhaps i'm just different.

[grumbles]

thank you! =]

and yeah, i dont think i can "conclude" anything--just offering possibilities to consider (tho i may sound like i know it all in the vid, haha). self-identity is probably part of it, yet other unique individual aspects can also contribute, as it seems to be in your case

[theabomation]

Solomon Asch's experiment has been linked to explain how good people are capable to follow to evil group..

[jaiadoresarah]

the test is so confusing ,

[thebuddog101]

you are the man this is really going to help me with my class.

[grumbles]

glad to hear it. thank you

[funkyhomosapien1]

Some interesting points there. Good job.

[timmy998877]

"Confederates" lol

[Phibins]

nice, i think your very right about the comfort zone factor you mentioned at the end!. nice job.

[James9533]

"FUCKING IDIOT!"

LMFAO.

[delgado4652]

talk about pressure huh? hahaha

[Arcadia453]

Adolescent conformity?

How about the conformity of every single human being

[quickmantan]

because most people comform when they are adults kids are more likely to behonest innit.

[archedmandible]

@Arcadia453

The fact that there is a Charlie suggests that not "every single human being" in the world conforms.

[Arcadia453]

True, but the majority will conform, and unfortunately that's enough to win in a democracy.

[archedmandible]

@Arcadia453

Correct. And that's why we (allegedly...) have a constitution and objective law; To protect the rights of the individual from the mob (and from other individuals).

Not to be confused with statutes and regulations; Which generally have the opposite effect...

[rdoetjes]

Charlie is an interesting kid! Being the QB creates a high social status. But it is easy to be persuaded in such a case!

[ObeyBunny]

Brilliant! Ive saved this youtube video in my favorites folder!

But as for the second kid (Charlie), I think one reason why he did not waver once was the possibility that he may have chosen to hate the older kids the second they all made the wrong answer. It becomes easer to distance yourself from a group if you decide that they are worth hating.

But dont quote me on this; Ive done no official research.

[ObeyBunny]

Geez, where do my apostrophizes and quotation marks go when I try to post a block of text?

[omarsalem91]

Way to go Charlie! But seriously great job. Very interesting.

[MiSSMOOCHACHAS]

wow, this was a really clever experiment!

great job explaining; I learned a ton!

but goshh...

they were so mean to charlie!

hahaha...

[AdeMakia]

Interesting, how did you cope with ethical issues?

[grumbles]

well, for the class we just had to give a presentation.  i chose to do an experiment and make a video of it. so it was an "unofficial" thing. i still informed everyone involved what i was doing afterwards and all (and followed up a little while later), but i didn't have to go through an ethics committee or anything cuz it was kinda like i just did it on my own, and then used the material to help my classwork

[AdeMakia]

Uh ok, i get it now. Good job

[Romiex69x]

Cool stuff, how did you get these kids to do this experiment for you?

[grumbles]

some were kids from my high school that i was just like hey can u spend a few minutes for a psych experiment, others were random kids like in the library that i asked the same thing. fortunately enough people were like yeah sure

[Loxard]

Conformists

[Iannou35]

You can remove adolescent from your title/video, that test has being tested on adults BEFORE adolescents and its AS efficient

[grumbles]

it's true that this was done on adults and was as efficient. this was for a class on adolescent psychology tho, and i also looked specifically at how theories of adolescent development played a role in these specific cases.

[TurtleGalore]

Really enjoyed your vid! Good stuff!

[grumbles]

thanks!

[iamonlinew]

This is great stuff, but I just want to add that everything you said could be applied to everyone, not just adolescents.

[grumbles]

true, although the focus on things like "self-certainty vs self-doubt", or "self-consciousness vs. self whatever", are sub-stages of erikson's adolescent stage of identity formation. but yeah, there are several ways to look at the same scenario. that's one of the cool things about psych, i think.

[JDMetal666]

mark your a wierdi

-joey