Formula 1 and an Indy car in Kitchener Ontario

[veedub87]

@gturner38 You're absolutely right. Not sure why I mixed that up because I certainly knew. I haven't missed a Grand Prix in 30+ years and have seen LOTS of changes; it's difficult to keep all those changes & corresponding years completely accurate in my memory bank.

[ufuctitup]

The Indy Car is a FAKE IRL piece of shit!! Only CART had real Indy Cars.

Fuck Tony George!!

[harrydrewz]

indycar has got jack shit downforce

[stud763]

@macee17 U would shit ur fucking panties going 220+ miles an hour in an indycar as u would in the f1 ferrari there is certainly no differance when it comes to speed Indycar don't need tech u fucking tech geek so go fuck urself!

[150peacemaker]

last generation f1 car that ran slicks. beautiful machine

[veedub87]

@150peacemaker Just an FYI: This F1 car did NOT race on slicks; it is simply fitted with slicks now. The F2003-GA(named for Gianni Agnelli) ran grooved Bridgestones. '03 was smack in the middle of the grooved tire war between Bridgestone and Michelin. Narrow track cars along w/ grooved tires were mandated for '98. Michelin eventually quit F1, then Bridestone supplied all tires for a few years. Grooved tires were run until '08. Bridgestone quit after '08, & Pirelli slicks came on in '09.

[gturner38]

@veedub87 Actually Bridgestone supplied slicks in 2009 and 2010. Pirelli has only been back since 2011.

[matabeleman]

ok thanks

[gturner38]

As for the cars being worth millions, the Ferrari might be, but the Indycar isn't. It didn't cost a million new and as an obsolete race car it would likely sell for about 100-200 grand at auction. A 1989 Lola Indycar sold for $153,000 at Barrett Jackson in 2005 but a 1989 March sold for $65,000 this year.  Still great cars all the same.

[RockerSJC]

I think this Indycar is not from Dalara, I thinks it's a G Force chassi.

[42HAMILTON]

indycar does more with less

[matabeleman]

@42HAMILTON i agree

[Koenigstiger]

@42HAMILTON Indycar sucks, No safety, Les Technologies input ecetera

[42HAMILTON]

@Koenigstiger maybe you say this for recntly succes.... i like indycar for many reasons. but i don't say that F1 are bad.

[thorsthunder1]

@42HAMILTON by more you mean crashed right ?

[matabeleman]

@42HAMILTON thats 4 sure

[dstaplet01]

The F1 car is better overall (obviously). Also, Indy Cars are not pieces of junk either.

Obviously this video isn't meant to compare the two (read the title) and this event was meant to raise money. I'd love to see these cars in person, fantastic pieces of engineering.

[ksioamaral89]

please do not touch!thank you!

LOL!

[macee17]

indycar looks like an obsolete trash truck compared to an F1 ferrari. Sorry for indy fans, but our european racing is thousand times more advanced technologically and sofisticated than any american style.

[964fan]

@macee17 your european racing should be a "thousand times better" considering a last place f1 team spends more money per season than all the indy car teams put together

[macee17]

@964fan yeah that's true. But F1 was aways about pulling more and more money into development. Sadly it's bitching today, as there's a spending limit, stupid rules and all is about just the cash and not the real racing. That's really sad, because races are not exciting anymore, and made-up champions took the cup. (Vettel...) etc. I really hate what F1 became since 2009 - FUCK FIA and Bernie Ecclestone. All is just about profit in this world. Anything else is secondary or worse. And that's sad.

[drummer25664]

there is no difference when they are parked!

[chadaf2010]

Indy cars have just as much down force.. FFS they can drive upside down if they wanted to

[dazza027]

Must have been an aussie postin this vid, seeing as they used a Barnes song for the track...

[Rulerzigzagzig]

I enjoy watching Indy more than F1. I think it's more of a raw race, and there is more parody. There is fuel strategy too. F1 feels like it's a race between 3 drivers every time, less passing, and I think the F1 is easier to drive with all that down force.

[xBaphometHx]

@Rulerzigzagzig Easier to drive? Lol. Have you seen how many buttons they have to press? Have you seen an onboard camera in Monaco?

[Wyatttorix95]

Wich one was which lol and was the 9 target car Juan Pablo montoyas? The target car looked like a stingray and the other looked like it was from the 80s

[dstaplet01]

@Wyatttorix95

I think the #9 is Scott Dixon's.  I am not sure about the Ferrari I think it was barrichello's

[TheCounter005]

The beauty of the American open wheel race car is its versatility.  They are meant to be an all-around package while not being focused on one type of circuit. The CART/Champcar was a much better example of this than the current Indy Car, but I imagine that will change in the next couple of years.

[arthur061992]

what the fuck is wrong with people saying a car is "prettier" then the other car...

its a fucking race car its not supose to be good looking....

[TheCounter005]

@arthur061992 The hell it isn't. People don't go to watch ugly cars.

[arthur061992]

@TheCounter005 monster truck?

ok.

[leggynikki35]

most indycars are made in england,sorry we will try harder xxxx

[matabeleman]

@leggynikki35 lol

[redriverman2006]

@leggynikki35 Through the 80s and 90s that was the case. Unfortunately, it isn't any more. :(

[Suprahampton]

@leggynikki35 They are? I thought they were made in Italy... by Dallara, Lola no longer makes Indy cars

[gturner38]

@leggynikki35 All Indycars are made by Dallara in Italy

[nixxxon18]

indy is just a lame ass f1 wannabe series, but hey its better then nothing lol

[KHI29SMOKE14]

@nixxxon18 indy is better than f1.lol i actually has passing wat did f1 only like have 82 total passes last year but thats just my opinion

[nixxxon18]

@KHI29SMOKE14 this year F1 has waaaaay more passes, because of the new introduced device (movable rear wing) that allows the car behind to gain a lot of speed and pass on a straight line.

the f1 had one major overtaking problem due to the simple fact that the cars were too fast and had too much aero downforce... No room for trying anything, its that simple, but the two last years they slowed the cars down and worked to make overtaking easier.

[KHI29SMOKE14]

@nixxxon18 oh well there both good to watch i just perfer indy

[m0ffx]

@nixxxon18 And the tyres.

But overtakes because one car's got much worse tyres, and the other car's got a flappy rear wing, feels a bit fake. I guess we'll never see much real overtaking in a highly aerodynamic road course formula however. There's plans to go back to using some ground effect, which gives downforce without creating so much wake stopping the car behind from following closely enough, hopefully that will bring more real racing to F1.

[xpozd2radar]

indy car is sexy f1 car sucks

[Supra7887]

Why does everyone seem to want to compare the two? F1 cars and indy cars are both extremely good at what they are made to do. An Indy car obviously couldn't beat a F1 car on a track with a lot of turns, and a F1 car just simply couldn't beat an Indy car on an oval track. The two are designed to perform in different ways.

[heycolslaw]

F-1 seems to have a shorter wheelbase...can you imagine taking the Honda through the same hairpins? LOL

[seikenflyer]

I dont like much theses dallaras from 2000´s the 90´s indy car were way better.

[thegoonden]

The Ferrari is a fake!

it's a 2003GA...with SLICKS?

I think NOT

[MWcrazyhorse]

haha compared to the F1 the Indy car looks like it was constructed in someones garage at home. Still not too shabby though. Is it because of the aerodynamics for high speed ovals? anyone know what money goes into the development of an Indy?

[tangnatalaga]

PROBABLY THE BIGGEST DIFFRENCE IS THE PRICE. A FORMULA 1 CAR COST ABOUT 10 MILLION DOLLARS.

[matabeleman]

@tangnatalaga yes

[1994xs]

@tangnatalaga but indy car make 400km/h

[bosshunterman]

@1994xs type to youtube search engine: Honda F1 top speed(F1 top speed test without rear wing), then enjoy the 413km/h to your face ! ;)

[1994xs]

@bosshunterman indy car make 409km/h with rear wing to your face ;)

[bosshunterman]

@1994xs F1 cars have very big downforce, even without wings(but still have better accelerate than indy car)

F1 cars designed for awesome power/weight ratio, and that makes the amazing acceleration, and that's why the very fast cornering.

Indy car's wings and body designed for less air drag and downforce for well balanced downforce/top speed

But F1 cars are still definitely faster ;)

[1994xs]

@bosshunterman that's true but indy car rear wing have a strongly downforce beacause the indy car less weight than f1 ...so...without rear wing indy car can't runxD (i'm italian sorry forbad english ;))

[bosshunterman]

@1994xs Indy car lighter?

Indy car's minimum weight: 691kg (for ovals) 725kg (for road courses)

F1's minimum weight: 620kg (now it's 640kg for the 2011's season) but it was under 600kg before 2007.

[ATDOINFERNO]

@1994xs I'd tell you a "secret" about Indy 500 wing packages, but that'd give those "monofans" an argument. No wonder there's a rumor out there that that 80s "Indy 500 Ferrari Project" was "the worst car to be driven on an oval", according to Bobby Rahal(?) (citation needed, so I don't believe it. However, I also don't believe that thing would even reach, say, 200mph on the front stretch. Not with that rear wing)

[1994xs]

@ATDOINFERNO sorry i'ven't understand...when i have more time i'll try to translate that

[ATDOINFERNO]

@1994xs Msg sent, hehe. Cheers!

[ATDOINFERNO]

@tangnatalaga 600 million/year (top teams) just to develop one of those things. Perhaps not 10 million to make one, but something between 1,5~6 millions each car, yeah, I'd believe...

[tangnatalaga]

@ATDOINFERNO I had read it in the newspaper add when they had a formula 1 car race in houston.

[fastmclaren71]

@tangnatalaga f1 cars are built for propper speed around reall tracks. 2005 mp4 20 mclaren is stunning.

[JONICRACHATLEITAO]

@tangnatalaga Without counting the development...

[vivalaT911]

Indy look cooler but F1 are fucking faster but uglier

[matabeleman]

@vivalaT911 yes

[xBaphometHx]

@vivalaT911 Uglier? The chasis is a masterpiece. Not like the indy crap that looks like garbage with big wheels.

[vivalaT911]

@xBaphometHx Indycars can race on "normal" race tracks and ovals by design.

F1 cars are not designed with oval racing in mind so there's no point in comparing

[xBaphometHx]

@vivalaT911 Watch the comment below and learn. :)

[booker90]

@vivalaT911

Why is there no point in comparing???

If oval seperates then then why is it that F1 still beat an indy car on an oval track???...Didnt just beat it but after 3 laps was ahead by half a lap,lol...Was a whooping :p

[tubehows4life]

@booker90 When did that happen?

[964fan]

@booker90 when did this happen?

[spurrell90]

Its not a real f1 car its just a shell

[matabeleman]

@spurrell90 yes i know...as i mentioned in the piece it was in aid of a bbq for a local hockey team sir

[MrToits]

A big yes I'm serious and of course I'm also aware that the steering wheel on my John Deer Lawnmower is more Expensive than the entire budget of all f1 teams, and here's the shit mate f1 is a pure crap and Indy Cars are awsome, just incase you want to reply on this one well here my answer "I Don't Give a Shiet" adios amigo.

[fastmclaren71]

@MrToits I'm replying because im british... its all i know how to do. F1. THE PINICLE! Say no more.

[ProjectVRD]

@MrToits Wow you admit to being ignorant then? Please, please, please.... tell me you are not respresentative of all Americans?

[Rennpanzer]

@ProjectVRD Rest assured, MrToits does NOT represent all Americans. However, with the help of faux "news" and the rise of the tea party, he sadly does exemplify quite a few of us. I don't say/write this because I think that MrToits actually believes what he wrote about his lawnmower. But, rather, because of his disregard for the discourse of factual debate and the irreverence he shows toward the concept of plausibility. His comments were probably just meant as a childish taunt.

[spxmet]

@MrToits Is that why the IRL gets such good ratings on TV? And just how many countries outside the U.S. and Brazil, is the IRL more popular than F1 in? Indy is just the midway point between F1 and NASCAR.

[ICanCount2G]

unfortunately, that dallara chassis isn't nearly as nice to look at.

ferrari have the tifosi for a reason.

[MrToits]

Indy car way much better....

[29Gixxer]

@MrToits

You serious? Your obviously unaware in the difference in budgets. F1 teams have a budget of like £300,000,000 per year. The steering wheel on an F1 car alone is worth more than an Indy car lmao. The F1 steering wheel can control the fuel mapping as well as other things. F1 cars have a power to weight ratio of around 1500 Hp to the ton. Indy is poor mans racing.

Here's the shit mate :0

watch?v=EGUZJVY-sHo

[jackthedrummer747]

@29Gixxer f1 is a parade at high speeds

[SocialAutism]

the music is bad ass.

[spxmet]

Arguably two of the greatest (and most successful) cars ever built. I hope that helped raise a lot of money. What a truly unique experience!

[ProjectVRD]

@spxmet I am sorry but the Ferrari is the only present in this video desrving a title near "greatest (and most successful) cars ever built". All other F1 cars would annihilate the Indy and Cart cars.

[spxmet]

@ProjectVRD It's like comparing a NASCAR Sprint Cup stock car and a NASCAR Nationwide Series stock car. Both are exciting, despite the differences.

[FEDEMADAGASCAR]

F1 is much better

[limao38]

@FEDEMADAGASCAR The cars are way much better, but the competition itselfs... not really.

[machvelocy]

@limao38 certainly you didn't watch f1 this season