In a perfect society where everyone is generous and cares about one another, a complete libertarian society would be possible. Things aren't like that, though. Libertarians have too much confidence on the private sector. People are greedy, that's a fact. I don't think the government should spend more money, I just think we should end the wars and use that money to help people out here at home.
@LorrieFludd I think it would be fair to say that, given the highly diverse demographic (geographically, culturally, and racially) of America, a lean, libertarian -federal- government with limited involvement only on matters of interstate commerce, foreign affairs, and national security makes sense. Then let states determine what programs (if any) to put in place for healthcare, education, or other welfare efforts which can be tailored to their needs. Then the programs might actually work.
@LorrieFludd "People are greedy, that's a fact. I don't think the government should spend more money, I just think we should end the wars and use that money to help people out here at home." Are you aware that sans the bit about greed, you just described Ron Paul's position? He feels that despite the unrealistic nature of the promises and the looting of the S.S trust fund, the govt. has a contractual obligation the return the expropriated money to recipients. He would end the wars to do so.
...cont. As for the bit about greed and a perfect society, don't forget the extent to which govt. crowds out charitable activity. Those in govt. could not be exempt from the characteristic of greed, which you note is inherent in humanity. I refer to the private sector as the voluntary sector and the govt. as a declared monopoly of force within a geographic region. Also be careful that you don't fall into the zero sum fallacy when talking about greed. I urge you to reconsider libertarianism.
.....cont. Quotes pertinent to this discussion: "Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others?" – Thomas Jefferson........
...cont... And, " "If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place, oblige it to control itself."
bernstein sanders the anti-socialist still sucking on his ponzi scheme known as social security. this pile of vomit from Vermont needs to retire his kyke ass.
oh,why bother with you ass clowns.luckily you are in a distinct minority.to say the social contract argument carries no weight without stating why that would be so is like saying that 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'_well that just doesn't wash with us.you think that paying taxes is theft?fine.just so long as you pay them.as for giving to charity,that's just bullshit and you know it.
I have no problem with the program. I would be more than happy to pay for it by taking those dollars from war spending. That might not fit my Ron Paul/ Libertarian platform but priorities would dictate that if I can't stop the dollars being spent altogether then I'd rather spend them on supporting life than on pushing death (War) however I cannot support expanding without shrinking somewhere else.
@timongarretson Sorta agree with you here, not calling for an end to meals on wheels but trying to demand more help for this age group that is well off at a time when the rest of us are suffering is what most people are objecting to.
If anything, the welfare for the richest age group should be cut(not calling for it) not increased
The bottom 20% of seniors make more money than I did when I only had 1 job, I did fine. Most seniors paid off all or most of their debt. Most of them own their homes & cars outright, so while seniors have to spend their money on drugs young adults have it tied up in other necessities. Yet all of this is unimportant, the truth is we need to modify social security so we can increase yield for ourselves & not burden the next generation. It can be done, Chile had good luck with privatization.
The area of charity should be left for the people of this country to contribute to VOLUNTARILY...not left for the government to steal wealth from people by FORCE and give it to the poor. Go sell your socialist bullshit elsewhere Bernie.
My grandparents have benefited form Meals on Wheels. We need more community based programs to bring us closer as people and human beings. Volunteer when you can people. You'll be surprised how positive you feel by helping people, more positive then when you do things for yourself and show respect for volunteers cuz they truly deserve it. Peace and strength to all the peoples of the world and bless all the volunteers who take their personal time to show empathy for those who need assistance.
I saw a stat that said 51% of US spending is on Military, or unjust wars whatever you want to call it. Try saving some pennies from there first, you fools.
@tr2899 I agree with you, however I feel repeating those types of things in comments, videos, debates, and news publications, only perpetuates the problem and keeps the public less informed. We certainly can't know everything about everything, but keeping an open mind and having meaningful discussions is far more worthwhile than name calling and bickering.
@tr2899 How about have a civil discourse about the actual philosophical and economic content of those views, rather than hand-waving the entire potential discussion with empty rhetoric. Saying "they just want to destroy the country" is equally as meaningless as people who call Obama a socialist neo-nazi. Those types of comments contribute to the problem, not the solution.
@tr2899 Your ignorant, bias generalizations and derogatory remarks are no more credible than the Ron Paul parrots who have only a basic understanding of Libertarian principles. Your collectivist mindset, labeling entire groups of people by the actions of some, is the same vein of thought which enables racist belief.
@smartwarlord Yes, it was not my intention to say all Paul supporters are faux-libertarians. I was simply trying to illustrate that, although some of them are, they do not represent the entirety or even the majority of the group. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
@tr2899 The only way SS does not get cut is if our currency steadies, and does not lose value every year. Otherwise when you get your SS check and the price of peanut butter, milk, and bread has doubled due to your weak dollar -- That's a cut.
@javamanV3 its easy to be compassionate with other peoples money. Especially easy to do that with a process that would bind our future generation with trillion of dollars in debt. People who are yet to be born will come out owing money already. Yes sir, the man proposing this sure is compassionate
Those who cut social security can expect a fight! And I am not talking about some rich guys arguing, I am talking about a fight! Just because someone is old doesn't mean they can't defend what is theirs. And, make no mistake. SS belongs to those who collect. They paid for it for their entire working lives. The self employed paid double! So, unless you think it is ok for the rich to dip into your savings, don't come for mine!
Those under the age of 30 will never see a cent of the money they put into SS back. So when they're old they'll be on their own left to die. Because the pyramid scam that is Social Security will no longer to support itself.
My grandparents use the meals on wheels program and live at the end of a half mile uphill dirt road. I am so happy to hear Bernie stand up for them, he is one of the best examples of what a good American looks like. He cares about the poor, needy, and helpless, so many people on this page could take a cue and learn something from him
It's sad how the west deals with its elderly. Many other countries consider old age a badge of accomplishment, a source of wisdom for the youth to learn from, and they take care of their parents and grandparents better than they take care of themselves. Here, we ship them off to an impersonal residential care center that may as well be called gods waiting room. We really need a reevalution of our values in this country, away from wealth and material goods, towards family and community values.
@shamz0rz The elders have left us with a warmongering police state, and they have loaded our backs with trillions of dollars of debt by living above their means.
@YouSayYouWantA *Some elders. We must be able to distinguish between the guilty and the innocent. My own family have all worked their entire lives, paid bills on time, lived within their means and stayed out of debt, and I'm willing to bet your family, like millions of others, did the same. In 20 years will the youth then be able to blame us for the mistakes of others and just lump us into "the elders"? There are responsible parties, but they are a small minority.
Unfortunately, a lot less people donate to charities because of programs like this. We're led to believe "Oh, the government is taking care of it." And then later we find out most of the money was wasted on bureaucracy and very little when to the actual cause. Too many government programs attempt to do for the good and welfare of the people without understanding the long term repercussions economically.
@Gotred What absolute twaddle. Let me guess: you made this up. Can you provide a single shred of relevant evidence that what you say is true? Government helping people = the end of charity? Seems legit.
@InformationPollution I'm speaking from both personal experience and the logic of budgeting. If more of your money is taken in the form of tax revenue to fund a government program to feed the poor, you are left with less money to spend on things you are passionate about. If it happens to be the same cause as the government program, you would essentially be donating twice. Most of the people I know do not actively donate to charities
@Gotred Incredible. Could this simply be the case of you having friends who don't give a shit about charity? Are you essentially blaming the government for your lack of interest in helping your fellow man? I have never in my life heard someone suggest that they would give more to charity if only the government hadn't already given their money to charity, and I DO know charitable people. I'm not suggesting your or your friends are evil, merely apathetic and uninformed.
@InformationPollution Yes, essentially I am. And is it really such an incredible statement? I am saying that government programs take the pressure off the people to make donations to charity, in the same way a new episode of the latest sitcom keeps people from watching the news or going out to the polls and voting. Are you willing to say those things don't happen? Just as in elections, people do turn out to vote, but a huge portion of the population does not.
@Gotred Generally it's not because they can not, but because they are still reasonably enjoying a comfortable living and don't see any need to involve themselves. Similarly, a lot of people do donate to charity, but not nearly the number of people who could, because there is a lingering thought that someone else is taking care of it, and by taxation they have already done their part. And no, I doubt you'd hear anyone say it that way, but it is essentially what occurs.
@InformationPollution I accidentally responded to myself, but anyway, that also doesn't refute the second part of what I said, in that taxation for those programs also removes some of the capability to make those donations that otherwise may have been available. I will, however, admit this is not as much of a factor because our government is willing to finance these programs with debt rather than direct taxation.
@InformationPollution , not because they are evil, but with so many government programs it feels as if someone else is taking care of it. I could probably attempt to dig up some poll or something, but as I said, this just my experience from talking to people in my social circles and in other online communities. When I see similar sentiments elsewhere, it lends credence to the validity of my belief.
Sweet! I'm happy that the federal government has finally gotten around to managing food. Now we just need price controls on food, so teh greed does not affect food prices. After all, price controls have a history of helping people (like rent control in NY). Maybe we need some sort of federal farm program where food is grown communally and distributed according to need, not greed. Yep, can't imagine how that could possibly go wrong with that.
Spending our way into unsustainable debt and devaluing the currency in the name of well-intentioned programs will leave a lot more than just seniors hungry. People should be preparing for their retirement for at least 40 years before it comes. Stabilizing the currency would help ensure that your saved money would be worth just as much when you do retire. People who wish to feed those can't feed themselves should create and donate to charities supporting the cause.
How exactly do you propose to "stabilize the currency"?
And why do you think that "stabilizing the currency" will in turn stabilize the real economy? Have you ever considered that your logic might be backwards? That actually if the real economy was stabilized (i.e., full employment, purchasing power with real income not debt, household and private sector balance sheets in order) that there would then be more price stability?
Not all debt is equal. Public debt IS private savings.
@OgallalaKnowhow 1) I never said stabilizing the currency would stabilize the economy. Certainly it would help, but that was not my point. My point was quite clear: If you save money now, it should be worth very close to the same amount when you withdraw it in 40-50 years. Any money you are not spending or heavily invested, under the present system, is losing value. The purchasing power the dollar has dropped nearly 95% over the last 70 years.
But how do you propose to stabilize the currency? Banks make loans, creating additional money in the form of bank deposits, in response to demand and expectations of profit. Inflation is a difficult thing to explain. But monetarism failed because it simply did not configure with the institutional reality of the bank money / state money hybridity of our monetary system. It assumed fractional reserve accounting as a function, when in reality it really only matters during moments of crisis
@OgallalaKnowhow We would likely have run-away inflation if not for foreign countries financing our debt. I generally agree that the other things you mentioned do contribute to price stability, however, the monetary unit is the medium of exchange in every transaction and has immense influence on pricing. I'm inclined to disagree with your last statement, which is based on accounting identies. However, youtube really isn't the best place to discuss anything in depth, what with the comment limits.
Inflation is a funny beast. And I don't think its even helpful to talk about it in the singular. Yes, inflation is always a monetary phenomenon, but that does not mean that there is such an easy thing as "monetary policy" to tighten/loosen credit without the institutional prerequisites.
I disagree with your point on foreign financing of debt. A holder of $ can either invest it the $US-accepting economy, or exchange it for a $T-bond. Different kinds of inflation can result from either.
Accounting identities are important in a money and balance sheet economy precisely because money is an accounting phenomena. The issue about aggregates and identities is when people mistake these for conditions of equilibrium.
Post-Keynesian and sector balance sheet models are useful in showing general trends that have to then be explained by more deductive means. For example, the transition from households being savers and lenders to business in mid-20th century to being net debtors.
I support this and I'm a 19 year old. We all grow old, it's literally in our best interest to support our ageing population as much as we can. If money is an issue, I say we cut into the war budget.
Give it up, Bernie. They don't care. Read the comments on this page. Americans are the meanest, ugliest, stingiest, most coldhearted, weakest, most shallow people on the planet. And proud of it! I hope all the mean commenters on this page lose everything they have and while they are slowly starving to death, someone reads their hardhearted comments back to them over and over., smiling.
You're, sadly, mistaking "mean", "stingy", and "cold-hearted" for REALITY. The reality is that government has created the problems that it purports to fix. Government isn't the solution to our problems, and I think that is the sentiment of those "mean" people that you wish starvation upon (which I think actually makes YOU the cold-hearted one). We need to stop depending on government to take care of people, and start taking care of each other on our own.
I'm all for helping the needy. Not with my tax dollars taken by force and then mismanaged by government entities x_X; Still wouldn't call our Government's "Robin Hood-like" actions to be justified, and no food isn't a human "right" because it a limited source that would forever be in the supply/demand equation.
There are always private charities, since government shouldn't care about people's needs, people themselves should. Just leaving it to the government is a cop-out.
@kmelfina your an idiot. Food is a human right. Man didnt create fruits and vegitations. No one has the right to tell anyone what they can or cant do. We can eat all we want
@kmelfina let's see...milton friedman,ayn rand,the austrians,peter schiff,ron paul...am i on the right track?...intellectual pygmy-sophists who give you an excuse for being the greedy,heartless piece of crap you are.and i didn't even check out your page.i'm sure it would only confirm my surmising.i suppose we can't coerce you to be an empathetic human being...or even just a human being.
@dobbsiancant And you aren't greedy? People who are on welfare become more and more greedy the more they recieve. Everyone is greedy, so get over it. A nation that aims for any type of equality-be it economical, social or what have you, before liberty, will achieve neither.
@asull822 i'm not on welfare,ass-wipe.and i'm sick of you hamsters equating fairness with stupidity.you are greed-heads.just admit it.you despise poor people.admit it.you have no sense of empathy and to me that makes you sub-human.
@dobbsiancant I never said you were on welfare. Like I said earlier, EVERYONE is greedy. It is human nature. Capitalism takes advantage of this because people sell goods for their own interest. The government despises poor people because when they bailout these companies and promote special interests, the debt is the middle class and poor people's burden. No welfare state can last long, and we will collapse soon enough if we keep this up. No society is paradise, as we would all like to believe.
@asull822 that's not true.that's just the poisonous philosphy propogated by an extremely ugly and dour russian jewish philosopher with delusions of genius when in fact she was completely devoid of talent.
@dobbsiancant because it's proper for the government taking my tax dollars and inefficiently using them or paychecks to lobbyists where as I can just donate it to a charity I KNOW puts people back on their feet with motivation so they can become productive members of society?
Money isn't real. It's an invention of society to help move us in directions. Is it a violent act to force one person's income to go to someone who may or may not be hungry? When you do it with the IRS that carries machine guns yes, it's 110% a violent act. Knowing this I still stand behind giving food to old people. 120%. I do not support bailouts by gun point. I don't support giveaways by gun point. I support human rights by gun point. Bitch.
Food is a human right. Please stop acting like it's a privilege. It's immature and unbecoming. If you'd like to deny the reality of humanity please go do it on Glenn Beck's website, I'm sure he believes food is a privilege and would love to hear your conspiracy theories about how old people should be forced to struggle for food unless they are rich. Grow the fuck up.
@Watchout5 Do you believe that right includes taking it by force? If so, please list your address because I am hungry. Food is NOT a privilege, but it is also NOT a right. If government got out of the way nobody would be hungry in this country.
@shadowbankers Aww cute. Advocating for a world where food is a human right isn't the same thing as putting my address on the internet. Boners.
If the government got out of the way we'd have 1920's style soup kitchen lines, right now we have 1935 style soup kitchen lines. The human right to food doesn't have to be by force, we can all come to the conclusion that it's a more violent act to withhold food from a human. We're both talking about violent acts, I feel like the lesser
@Watchout5 If government had stayed out of the way, there would never have been a need for soup kitchens and the depression wouln't have lasted 20 years. It would have been over in 1 year. The government that can provide for all your needs can take it all away. The government that can take from one person to give to another can also break down your door, tell you WHAT you can eat, who you can sleep with, where you can traval and much more. Government is NOT the solution. Voluntary action IS.
@chazman800 I used to think that was a conspiracy theory but not anymore. The child support program, child income tax credit, welfare etc etc are all programs govt use in destroying traditional families. Good job Bernie
Dont get me wrong...I am ALL for helping those in need and do everything I can to aide those in need - given my financial capabilities; but...If a "good deed" is accompliched by an immoral act (Theft / Fraud) is it really a virtuous / moral deed?
No.
Remove all the fucking taxes on individuals and let them decide what good deeds they wish to do with the wealth they earn.
Targetting hot meals to elderly people who aren't getting them is the opposite of waste. People who can afford food don't request meals on wheels.
And for those who don't have children, daily contact with eager young people is a godsend.
Subsidies to oil companies and tobacco companies is waste. This is not. Being a wealthy country means not letting our own citizens starve to death for no reason.
Where did I ever conclude that this program was a "Waste"?
I did not...I would never conclude that helping people in need is a waste.
I will however say that the method to achieve this aid, taxation, is immoral and should not be legitimized by society...using violence to meet ones demands is not the best example to set for other individuals in society.
...and one wonders "why" people murder and steal; they learn from the best at both - the Government.
@ReliableInsider "People who can afford food don't request meals on wheels" thats wht u would think, but I did home healthcare during the 2008 and more than half of the clients I took care of recieved meals on wheels and they could afford meals. Most dont cook but they had the money to buy food. They took advantage of it because it is there.
And the crazy thing about it is this, most didnt even eat they food, their frigde were filled with food packages from MoW which I had to throw away mysel
The "Social Contract" argument carries no weight; they know it...it is their only tool to debate with and as their reasoning abilities are extremely limited, they use it often and frequent - they all chant it like an African tribe chanting for rain "the Social Contract! ... the 99%!...the Greater Good!"...it is very depressing to see humanity stoop to such low points that a damn dog or dolphin can be classified as more reasonable and rational in its thought process.
I dare any of u to go to any casino floors in America and see which age group are overly represented on the slot machine floors. Yes they may not be buying flat screen TVs but they do seem to have alot of disposable income. I used to like Bernie but what kind of BS is this?
Also I thought meals of wheels was privately run, wtf?
@uche007us Yeah, if we stop giving them old people free hot meal, they will spend the food money on gambling instead... I guess if the slot machine takes quarters, it will last them few hours. Genius.
@garytcw Srry that doesnt make any sense what so ever. What is it you are trying to say? I dont want to take anything from anybody including young people or those yet to be born to support the elderly. The elderly are more than ok, I am tired of this govt always looking for ways to appeal to this high voter trunout age group by looting the younger generation.
@uche007us I dare you to join any church works program and see which age group are overly represented in the "too poor and weak to fix a fucking hole in the door" category.
@InformationPollution I have volunteered at a homeless shelter and I can tell u that not one person I meet there was 65+. they were mostly 20-35 druggies. The fact that a struggling society should go even more for this age group who have been blessed with so many govt program, tax write off, utility assistance programs and general generousity of society is just wrong. We have to stop heaping our future generations with more debt and everybody has to chip in.
@uche007us I volunteer at a homeless shelter every week, and we have several regulars that are past the age of 65. Though, admittedly, people in that age group usually don't remain homeless for long, as they tend to die. Nice of you to tacitly say that the homeless are usually "druggies" though.
@InformationPollution Thanks for your honourable volunteering, I applaud your empathy and service sincerely for it is much needed in these days and times. And even if the homeless were drug users, thats all the more reason to lend a helping hand for we have to stop demonizing people who have problems, its very clear to anyone with any common sense that belittling people who need help doesn't help them it just promotes more negativity.
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let it be know that 65 and older have the highest standard of living that any other age group. This man is either a fraud or suffering from mental illness.
@uche007us Old people get whatever they want because they vote and have a huge lobbyist group working for them. (AARP)
Every year, they get more Social Security and more Medicare, and people in every other age group get higher taxes or the government just borrows more money from China to hand out to them.
@ryanfarmer1984 isnt that sad and the people(mostly young) love him for it. The is the classic case of people directly voting against their own interest. Only someone who has ever been to a casino, worked at any of these TV shopping network phone line or even home healthcare knows the economic strenght of this age group.
Where are these people's children?
mas88rus 1 month ago
Say NO to Obama/Bush 2012!!!
davd1986 1 month ago
@dontfwithme2010
I lol at your stupidity.
truesonofdorn 1 month ago
In a perfect society where everyone is generous and cares about one another, a complete libertarian society would be possible. Things aren't like that, though. Libertarians have too much confidence on the private sector. People are greedy, that's a fact. I don't think the government should spend more money, I just think we should end the wars and use that money to help people out here at home.
LorrieFludd 1 month ago 2
@LorrieFludd I think it would be fair to say that, given the highly diverse demographic (geographically, culturally, and racially) of America, a lean, libertarian -federal- government with limited involvement only on matters of interstate commerce, foreign affairs, and national security makes sense. Then let states determine what programs (if any) to put in place for healthcare, education, or other welfare efforts which can be tailored to their needs. Then the programs might actually work.
anthonytw86 1 month ago
@LorrieFludd "People are greedy, that's a fact. I don't think the government should spend more money, I just think we should end the wars and use that money to help people out here at home." Are you aware that sans the bit about greed, you just described Ron Paul's position? He feels that despite the unrealistic nature of the promises and the looting of the S.S trust fund, the govt. has a contractual obligation the return the expropriated money to recipients. He would end the wars to do so.
weavermama 1 month ago
...cont. As for the bit about greed and a perfect society, don't forget the extent to which govt. crowds out charitable activity. Those in govt. could not be exempt from the characteristic of greed, which you note is inherent in humanity. I refer to the private sector as the voluntary sector and the govt. as a declared monopoly of force within a geographic region. Also be careful that you don't fall into the zero sum fallacy when talking about greed. I urge you to reconsider libertarianism.
weavermama 1 month ago
.....cont. Quotes pertinent to this discussion: "Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others?" – Thomas Jefferson........
weavermama 1 month ago
...cont... And, " "If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place, oblige it to control itself."
~James Madison
weavermama 1 month ago
@LorrieFludd don't give up on that perfect society just yet ;p you never know what's going on behind the scenes...
mas88rus 1 month ago
I'm convinced that MOST Ron Paul supporters are not rabid libertarians, but simply people who seek a JUST and FAIR society.
The support/fondness for progressives like Bernie Sanders from their ranks is a good indication of this.
Keep being GOOD people.
Down4Funnn 1 month ago 9
Now this guy represents the 99%.
wafflethug 1 month ago
bernstein sanders the anti-socialist still sucking on his ponzi scheme known as social security. this pile of vomit from Vermont needs to retire his kyke ass.
dontfwithme2010 1 month ago
oh,why bother with you ass clowns.luckily you are in a distinct minority.to say the social contract argument carries no weight without stating why that would be so is like saying that 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you'_well that just doesn't wash with us.you think that paying taxes is theft?fine.just so long as you pay them.as for giving to charity,that's just bullshit and you know it.
dobbsiancant 1 month ago
I have no problem with the program. I would be more than happy to pay for it by taking those dollars from war spending. That might not fit my Ron Paul/ Libertarian platform but priorities would dictate that if I can't stop the dollars being spent altogether then I'd rather spend them on supporting life than on pushing death (War) however I cannot support expanding without shrinking somewhere else.
timongarretson 1 month ago
@timongarretson Good point. At least this people will have the to buy goods and help the economy grow again.
tironi333 1 month ago
@tironi333 the cash
tironi333 1 month ago
@timongarretson Sorta agree with you here, not calling for an end to meals on wheels but trying to demand more help for this age group that is well off at a time when the rest of us are suffering is what most people are objecting to.
If anything, the welfare for the richest age group should be cut(not calling for it) not increased
uche007us 1 month ago
Bernie Sanders is socialist moron trash!
Shonenut213 1 month ago
The bottom 20% of seniors make more money than I did when I only had 1 job, I did fine. Most seniors paid off all or most of their debt. Most of them own their homes & cars outright, so while seniors have to spend their money on drugs young adults have it tied up in other necessities. Yet all of this is unimportant, the truth is we need to modify social security so we can increase yield for ourselves & not burden the next generation. It can be done, Chile had good luck with privatization.
BillyJoe1305 1 month ago
No matter how well intentioned, using force to help others automatically disqualifies the good intentions.
HandyMan101 1 month ago
The area of charity should be left for the people of this country to contribute to VOLUNTARILY...not left for the government to steal wealth from people by FORCE and give it to the poor. Go sell your socialist bullshit elsewhere Bernie.
MattAHTatTat 1 month ago
@MattAHTatTat Well said. They are transferring wealth in front of our faces.
crunchy124816 1 month ago
Government builds fountains in foreign deserts which you will never drink from and that's why granny goes hungry. Tax is theft.
crunchy124816 1 month ago
My grandparents have benefited form Meals on Wheels. We need more community based programs to bring us closer as people and human beings. Volunteer when you can people. You'll be surprised how positive you feel by helping people, more positive then when you do things for yourself and show respect for volunteers cuz they truly deserve it. Peace and strength to all the peoples of the world and bless all the volunteers who take their personal time to show empathy for those who need assistance.
chronikful 1 month ago
I saw a stat that said 51% of US spending is on Military, or unjust wars whatever you want to call it. Try saving some pennies from there first, you fools.
guitartom2 1 month ago
I've enjoyed the discussions, but I have to go to work. Take care everyone.
Gotred 1 month ago
@tr2899 I agree with you, however I feel repeating those types of things in comments, videos, debates, and news publications, only perpetuates the problem and keeps the public less informed. We certainly can't know everything about everything, but keeping an open mind and having meaningful discussions is far more worthwhile than name calling and bickering.
Gotred 1 month ago
@tr2899 How about have a civil discourse about the actual philosophical and economic content of those views, rather than hand-waving the entire potential discussion with empty rhetoric. Saying "they just want to destroy the country" is equally as meaningless as people who call Obama a socialist neo-nazi. Those types of comments contribute to the problem, not the solution.
Gotred 1 month ago 6
@Gotred He is a socialist, just not a nazi.
yourliestopshere 1 month ago
@tr2899 Your ignorant, bias generalizations and derogatory remarks are no more credible than the Ron Paul parrots who have only a basic understanding of Libertarian principles. Your collectivist mindset, labeling entire groups of people by the actions of some, is the same vein of thought which enables racist belief.
Gotred 1 month ago
@Gotred
Not all Ron Paul supporters are faux-libertarians. I happen to support Paul but was libertarian (small l) before I even knew about him.
smartwarlord 1 month ago
@smartwarlord Yes, it was not my intention to say all Paul supporters are faux-libertarians. I was simply trying to illustrate that, although some of them are, they do not represent the entirety or even the majority of the group. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Gotred 1 month ago
And guess who my grandma is voting for. Rick Santorum. wtf....
MFINN23 1 month ago
@MFINN23
She may be sexually attracted to Rick. I know. I know.
smartwarlord 1 month ago
@smartwarlord Nah she's a religious nutbag like most old people.
MFINN23 1 month ago
@tr2899 The only way SS does not get cut is if our currency steadies, and does not lose value every year. Otherwise when you get your SS check and the price of peanut butter, milk, and bread has doubled due to your weak dollar -- That's a cut.
YouSayYouWantA 1 month ago
Thanks Bernie! I wish the Senators where I live (NH) had your compassion and thoughtful approach.
javamanV3 1 month ago
@javamanV3 its easy to be compassionate with other peoples money. Especially easy to do that with a process that would bind our future generation with trillion of dollars in debt. People who are yet to be born will come out owing money already. Yes sir, the man proposing this sure is compassionate
uche007us 1 month ago
Those who cut social security can expect a fight! And I am not talking about some rich guys arguing, I am talking about a fight! Just because someone is old doesn't mean they can't defend what is theirs. And, make no mistake. SS belongs to those who collect. They paid for it for their entire working lives. The self employed paid double! So, unless you think it is ok for the rich to dip into your savings, don't come for mine!
javamanV3 1 month ago
@javamanV3
Those under the age of 30 will never see a cent of the money they put into SS back. So when they're old they'll be on their own left to die. Because the pyramid scam that is Social Security will no longer to support itself.
Garlannd 1 month ago
My grandparents use the meals on wheels program and live at the end of a half mile uphill dirt road. I am so happy to hear Bernie stand up for them, he is one of the best examples of what a good American looks like. He cares about the poor, needy, and helpless, so many people on this page could take a cue and learn something from him
djchaiwallah 1 month ago
It's sad how the west deals with its elderly. Many other countries consider old age a badge of accomplishment, a source of wisdom for the youth to learn from, and they take care of their parents and grandparents better than they take care of themselves. Here, we ship them off to an impersonal residential care center that may as well be called gods waiting room. We really need a reevalution of our values in this country, away from wealth and material goods, towards family and community values.
shamz0rz 1 month ago
@shamz0rz The elders have left us with a warmongering police state, and they have loaded our backs with trillions of dollars of debt by living above their means.
YouSayYouWantA 1 month ago
@YouSayYouWantA *Some elders. We must be able to distinguish between the guilty and the innocent. My own family have all worked their entire lives, paid bills on time, lived within their means and stayed out of debt, and I'm willing to bet your family, like millions of others, did the same. In 20 years will the youth then be able to blame us for the mistakes of others and just lump us into "the elders"? There are responsible parties, but they are a small minority.
shamz0rz 1 month ago
formulate the cola?
Lotusflowerism 1 month ago
@Lotusflowerism COLA stands for "cost of living adjustments"
FSFchannel 1 month ago
You would think the message of helping others at home would be our countries biggest agenda. Unfortunately, money has to come first.
biggydx 1 month ago
Unfortunately, a lot less people donate to charities because of programs like this. We're led to believe "Oh, the government is taking care of it." And then later we find out most of the money was wasted on bureaucracy and very little when to the actual cause. Too many government programs attempt to do for the good and welfare of the people without understanding the long term repercussions economically.
Gotred 1 month ago
@Gotred What absolute twaddle. Let me guess: you made this up. Can you provide a single shred of relevant evidence that what you say is true? Government helping people = the end of charity? Seems legit.
InformationPollution 1 month ago
@InformationPollution I'm speaking from both personal experience and the logic of budgeting. If more of your money is taken in the form of tax revenue to fund a government program to feed the poor, you are left with less money to spend on things you are passionate about. If it happens to be the same cause as the government program, you would essentially be donating twice. Most of the people I know do not actively donate to charities
Gotred 1 month ago
@Gotred Incredible. Could this simply be the case of you having friends who don't give a shit about charity? Are you essentially blaming the government for your lack of interest in helping your fellow man? I have never in my life heard someone suggest that they would give more to charity if only the government hadn't already given their money to charity, and I DO know charitable people. I'm not suggesting your or your friends are evil, merely apathetic and uninformed.
InformationPollution 1 month ago
@InformationPollution Yes, essentially I am. And is it really such an incredible statement? I am saying that government programs take the pressure off the people to make donations to charity, in the same way a new episode of the latest sitcom keeps people from watching the news or going out to the polls and voting. Are you willing to say those things don't happen? Just as in elections, people do turn out to vote, but a huge portion of the population does not.
Gotred 1 month ago
@Gotred Generally it's not because they can not, but because they are still reasonably enjoying a comfortable living and don't see any need to involve themselves. Similarly, a lot of people do donate to charity, but not nearly the number of people who could, because there is a lingering thought that someone else is taking care of it, and by taxation they have already done their part. And no, I doubt you'd hear anyone say it that way, but it is essentially what occurs.
Gotred 1 month ago
@InformationPollution I accidentally responded to myself, but anyway, that also doesn't refute the second part of what I said, in that taxation for those programs also removes some of the capability to make those donations that otherwise may have been available. I will, however, admit this is not as much of a factor because our government is willing to finance these programs with debt rather than direct taxation.
Gotred 1 month ago
@InformationPollution , not because they are evil, but with so many government programs it feels as if someone else is taking care of it. I could probably attempt to dig up some poll or something, but as I said, this just my experience from talking to people in my social circles and in other online communities. When I see similar sentiments elsewhere, it lends credence to the validity of my belief.
Gotred 1 month ago
Sweet! I'm happy that the federal government has finally gotten around to managing food. Now we just need price controls on food, so teh greed does not affect food prices. After all, price controls have a history of helping people (like rent control in NY). Maybe we need some sort of federal farm program where food is grown communally and distributed according to need, not greed. Yep, can't imagine how that could possibly go wrong with that.
/libtard
TheTubbtubb 1 month ago
@TheTubbtubb Sweet! People are starving in poverty and squallor. Better object to helping them.
/whateverthefuckyouare
InformationPollution 1 month ago
Spending our way into unsustainable debt and devaluing the currency in the name of well-intentioned programs will leave a lot more than just seniors hungry. People should be preparing for their retirement for at least 40 years before it comes. Stabilizing the currency would help ensure that your saved money would be worth just as much when you do retire. People who wish to feed those can't feed themselves should create and donate to charities supporting the cause.
Gotred 1 month ago
@Gotred
How exactly do you propose to "stabilize the currency"?
And why do you think that "stabilizing the currency" will in turn stabilize the real economy? Have you ever considered that your logic might be backwards? That actually if the real economy was stabilized (i.e., full employment, purchasing power with real income not debt, household and private sector balance sheets in order) that there would then be more price stability?
Not all debt is equal. Public debt IS private savings.
OgallalaKnowhow 1 month ago
@OgallalaKnowhow 1) I never said stabilizing the currency would stabilize the economy. Certainly it would help, but that was not my point. My point was quite clear: If you save money now, it should be worth very close to the same amount when you withdraw it in 40-50 years. Any money you are not spending or heavily invested, under the present system, is losing value. The purchasing power the dollar has dropped nearly 95% over the last 70 years.
Gotred 1 month ago
@Gotred
But how do you propose to stabilize the currency? Banks make loans, creating additional money in the form of bank deposits, in response to demand and expectations of profit. Inflation is a difficult thing to explain. But monetarism failed because it simply did not configure with the institutional reality of the bank money / state money hybridity of our monetary system. It assumed fractional reserve accounting as a function, when in reality it really only matters during moments of crisis
OgallalaKnowhow 1 month ago
@OgallalaKnowhow We would likely have run-away inflation if not for foreign countries financing our debt. I generally agree that the other things you mentioned do contribute to price stability, however, the monetary unit is the medium of exchange in every transaction and has immense influence on pricing. I'm inclined to disagree with your last statement, which is based on accounting identies. However, youtube really isn't the best place to discuss anything in depth, what with the comment limits.
Gotred 1 month ago
@Gotred
Inflation is a funny beast. And I don't think its even helpful to talk about it in the singular. Yes, inflation is always a monetary phenomenon, but that does not mean that there is such an easy thing as "monetary policy" to tighten/loosen credit without the institutional prerequisites.
I disagree with your point on foreign financing of debt. A holder of $ can either invest it the $US-accepting economy, or exchange it for a $T-bond. Different kinds of inflation can result from either.
OgallalaKnowhow 1 month ago
@Gotred
Accounting identities are important in a money and balance sheet economy precisely because money is an accounting phenomena. The issue about aggregates and identities is when people mistake these for conditions of equilibrium.
Post-Keynesian and sector balance sheet models are useful in showing general trends that have to then be explained by more deductive means. For example, the transition from households being savers and lenders to business in mid-20th century to being net debtors.
OgallalaKnowhow 1 month ago
@OgallalaKnowhow
Agreed that youtube comment section is limited. Feel free to PM me if you want to chat more. Ogal.
OgallalaKnowhow 1 month ago
I support this and I'm a 19 year old. We all grow old, it's literally in our best interest to support our ageing population as much as we can. If money is an issue, I say we cut into the war budget.
RedSkiesAwaitUs 1 month ago 2
god bless this Man'''
Urgearhead 1 month ago
The baby boomers aren't babies anymore.
im1greatman 1 month ago
Give it up, Bernie. They don't care. Read the comments on this page. Americans are the meanest, ugliest, stingiest, most coldhearted, weakest, most shallow people on the planet. And proud of it! I hope all the mean commenters on this page lose everything they have and while they are slowly starving to death, someone reads their hardhearted comments back to them over and over., smiling.
grandmachristine42 1 month ago 21
@grandmachristine42
You're, sadly, mistaking "mean", "stingy", and "cold-hearted" for REALITY. The reality is that government has created the problems that it purports to fix. Government isn't the solution to our problems, and I think that is the sentiment of those "mean" people that you wish starvation upon (which I think actually makes YOU the cold-hearted one). We need to stop depending on government to take care of people, and start taking care of each other on our own.
myhipsi 1 month ago
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BANKERS & DRUGLORDS screwed life & society in human history.
BURN DRUG LORDS ALIVE & OCCUPY THE WORLD..!!
CAPITALISM = NO REAL FREEDOM. WORLDS FAKE ECONOMY.
fight for LAST DROP BLOOD for MONEY & POWER = OPPORTUNIST MANIPULATIVE REALM LANDLORD GRABBER PIG ROYAL LAZY FAMILY.
HARD WORKING PEACE LOVING HAPPY HONEST SOCIETY were always the slave victim and poorly starve to death. :(
koppellhinex 1 month ago
@grandmachristine42 That's the reason it is not possible that Ron PAul becomes the GOP candidate!
hedleypanama 1 month ago
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BANKERS & DRUGLORDS screwed life & society in human history.
BURN DRUG LORDS ALIVE & OCCUPY THE WORLD..!!
CAPITALISM = NO REAL FREEDOM. WORLDS FAKE ECONOMY.
fight for LAST DROP BLOOD for MONEY & POWER = OPPORTUNIST MANIPULATIVE REALM LANDLORD GRABBER PIG ROYAL LAZY FAMILY.
HARD WORKING PEACE LOVING HAPPY HONEST SOCIETY were always the slave victim and poorly starve to death. :(
koppellhinex 1 month ago
I'm all for helping the needy. Not with my tax dollars taken by force and then mismanaged by government entities x_X; Still wouldn't call our Government's "Robin Hood-like" actions to be justified, and no food isn't a human "right" because it a limited source that would forever be in the supply/demand equation.
There are always private charities, since government shouldn't care about people's needs, people themselves should. Just leaving it to the government is a cop-out.
kmelfina 1 month ago
@kmelfina your an idiot. Food is a human right. Man didnt create fruits and vegitations. No one has the right to tell anyone what they can or cant do. We can eat all we want
DominicanCaribbean 1 month ago
@DominicanCaribbean
No, we can eat what we grow or earn or are given through charity.
jjrglobal 1 month ago
@kmelfina Life is a human right.
InformationPollution 1 month ago
@kmelfina let's see...milton friedman,ayn rand,the austrians,peter schiff,ron paul...am i on the right track?...intellectual pygmy-sophists who give you an excuse for being the greedy,heartless piece of crap you are.and i didn't even check out your page.i'm sure it would only confirm my surmising.i suppose we can't coerce you to be an empathetic human being...or even just a human being.
dobbsiancant 1 month ago
@dobbsiancant And you aren't greedy? People who are on welfare become more and more greedy the more they recieve. Everyone is greedy, so get over it. A nation that aims for any type of equality-be it economical, social or what have you, before liberty, will achieve neither.
asull822 1 month ago
@asull822 i'm not on welfare,ass-wipe.and i'm sick of you hamsters equating fairness with stupidity.you are greed-heads.just admit it.you despise poor people.admit it.you have no sense of empathy and to me that makes you sub-human.
dobbsiancant 1 month ago
@dobbsiancant I never said you were on welfare. Like I said earlier, EVERYONE is greedy. It is human nature. Capitalism takes advantage of this because people sell goods for their own interest. The government despises poor people because when they bailout these companies and promote special interests, the debt is the middle class and poor people's burden. No welfare state can last long, and we will collapse soon enough if we keep this up. No society is paradise, as we would all like to believe.
asull822 1 month ago
@asull822 that's not true.that's just the poisonous philosphy propogated by an extremely ugly and dour russian jewish philosopher with delusions of genius when in fact she was completely devoid of talent.
dobbsiancant 1 month ago
@dobbsiancant Ok, I don't know what you're trying to say.
asull822 1 month ago
@dobbsiancant because it's proper for the government taking my tax dollars and inefficiently using them or paychecks to lobbyists where as I can just donate it to a charity I KNOW puts people back on their feet with motivation so they can become productive members of society?
kmelfina 1 month ago
Ron Paul 1912!!!!!!!
5heneverlies 1 month ago
Money isn't real. It's an invention of society to help move us in directions. Is it a violent act to force one person's income to go to someone who may or may not be hungry? When you do it with the IRS that carries machine guns yes, it's 110% a violent act. Knowing this I still stand behind giving food to old people. 120%. I do not support bailouts by gun point. I don't support giveaways by gun point. I support human rights by gun point. Bitch.
Watchout5 1 month ago
TRAVESTY! My family has provided meals on wheels for years. This sickens me.
HALEterSkelter 1 month ago
Food is a human right. Please stop acting like it's a privilege. It's immature and unbecoming. If you'd like to deny the reality of humanity please go do it on Glenn Beck's website, I'm sure he believes food is a privilege and would love to hear your conspiracy theories about how old people should be forced to struggle for food unless they are rich. Grow the fuck up.
Watchout5 1 month ago
@Watchout5 Do you believe that right includes taking it by force? If so, please list your address because I am hungry. Food is NOT a privilege, but it is also NOT a right. If government got out of the way nobody would be hungry in this country.
shadowbankers 1 month ago
@shadowbankers
No shit it's not a right, but right now it's not exactly what's destroying this country.
chronDiggity 1 month ago
@shadowbankers Aww cute. Advocating for a world where food is a human right isn't the same thing as putting my address on the internet. Boners.
If the government got out of the way we'd have 1920's style soup kitchen lines, right now we have 1935 style soup kitchen lines. The human right to food doesn't have to be by force, we can all come to the conclusion that it's a more violent act to withhold food from a human. We're both talking about violent acts, I feel like the lesser
Watchout5 1 month ago
@Watchout5 If government had stayed out of the way, there would never have been a need for soup kitchens and the depression wouln't have lasted 20 years. It would have been over in 1 year. The government that can provide for all your needs can take it all away. The government that can take from one person to give to another can also break down your door, tell you WHAT you can eat, who you can sleep with, where you can traval and much more. Government is NOT the solution. Voluntary action IS.
shadowbankers 1 month ago
@Watchout5
The 1920's were some of the most prosperous years in American history, Soup lines were nonexistent in the 1920's.
jjrglobal 1 month ago
Americans should stop imagining that people with dysfunctional or non-existent families need to die. They don't.
ReliableInsider 1 month ago 8
The gov replaces dads and family with welfare programs, ENOUGH.
chazman800 1 month ago
@chazman800 I used to think that was a conspiracy theory but not anymore. The child support program, child income tax credit, welfare etc etc are all programs govt use in destroying traditional families. Good job Bernie
uche007us 1 month ago
that's what family is for.......
shovelniron 1 month ago
What Sanders doesnt speak about is the way to achieve his grand idea...THEFT.
Gun at the back of the head of the working class OR gun waiting to be pointed at the unborn in the future to pay for another person.
Or we could just print the money and continue to demolish the middle and lower class; sa well as the seniors of which we he is trying to help.
helltrackrider 1 month ago
@helltrackrider
Dont get me wrong...I am ALL for helping those in need and do everything I can to aide those in need - given my financial capabilities; but...If a "good deed" is accompliched by an immoral act (Theft / Fraud) is it really a virtuous / moral deed?
No.
Remove all the fucking taxes on individuals and let them decide what good deeds they wish to do with the wealth they earn.
helltrackrider 1 month ago
@helltrackrider
Targetting hot meals to elderly people who aren't getting them is the opposite of waste. People who can afford food don't request meals on wheels.
And for those who don't have children, daily contact with eager young people is a godsend.
Subsidies to oil companies and tobacco companies is waste. This is not. Being a wealthy country means not letting our own citizens starve to death for no reason.
ReliableInsider 1 month ago
@ReliableInsider
Where did I ever conclude that this program was a "Waste"?
I did not...I would never conclude that helping people in need is a waste.
I will however say that the method to achieve this aid, taxation, is immoral and should not be legitimized by society...using violence to meet ones demands is not the best example to set for other individuals in society.
...and one wonders "why" people murder and steal; they learn from the best at both - the Government.
helltrackrider 1 month ago
@ReliableInsider "People who can afford food don't request meals on wheels" thats wht u would think, but I did home healthcare during the 2008 and more than half of the clients I took care of recieved meals on wheels and they could afford meals. Most dont cook but they had the money to buy food. They took advantage of it because it is there.
And the crazy thing about it is this, most didnt even eat they food, their frigde were filled with food packages from MoW which I had to throw away mysel
uche007us 1 month ago
@helltrackrider
You got it all figured out, right buddy
boringlyawesum 1 month ago
@boringlyawesum
Please...point to where I claimed to offer a solution.
I did not.
But...If I am hungry or want my grass cut; I dont place a gun to my neighbors head and force him to provide the means for me to eat or cut my yard.
Violence solves nothing; it only promotes destruction.
helltrackrider 1 month ago
@helltrackrider yeah,that robin hood was such a scumbag,eh?
dobbsiancant 1 month ago
@dobbsiancant
Irrelevant.
Robin Hood, assuming his story is based on an ounce of truth - took back wealth that was STOLEN in the first place; via taxation.
Now...explain why it is logical to point a gun at me, demand $15,000 a year from me and if I should disagree --- 1) murder me or 2) kidnap me...
Lets hear it.
helltrackrider 1 month ago
@helltrackrider nice comeback, I have a feeling that he would reply with the social contract argument. Or he wont reply at all
uche007us 1 month ago
@uche007us
The "Social Contract" argument carries no weight; they know it...it is their only tool to debate with and as their reasoning abilities are extremely limited, they use it often and frequent - they all chant it like an African tribe chanting for rain "the Social Contract! ... the 99%!...the Greater Good!"...it is very depressing to see humanity stoop to such low points that a damn dog or dolphin can be classified as more reasonable and rational in its thought process.
helltrackrider 1 month ago
Sanders is the f***ing MAN!...Young Awake men & women know what the real deal is about where this country is headed...F**K the NWO
alecboi84 1 month ago
like he cares!!
omfugger 1 month ago
@omfugger He is one in the USA who actually does
franks2732 1 month ago
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@SuperDeltaBravo1 why are you impressed,and why is hope left for other people?
you could run for office,and if your a good person,we now have 2 in office,so on so forth poof everything is fixed.
yet everyone crys about no one listening to them,and by not running for office admiting they dont even have faith in them self.
seems people need something to cry about and dont care much for change.
imatelly 1 month ago
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imatelly 1 month ago
man with logic...I'm pretty sure everyone of his co-workers call him cooky.
VisualK3i94 1 month ago
I dare any of u to go to any casino floors in America and see which age group are overly represented on the slot machine floors. Yes they may not be buying flat screen TVs but they do seem to have alot of disposable income. I used to like Bernie but what kind of BS is this?
Also I thought meals of wheels was privately run, wtf?
uche007us 1 month ago
@uche007us Yeah, if we stop giving them old people free hot meal, they will spend the food money on gambling instead... I guess if the slot machine takes quarters, it will last them few hours. Genius.
garytcw 1 month ago
@garytcw Srry that doesnt make any sense what so ever. What is it you are trying to say? I dont want to take anything from anybody including young people or those yet to be born to support the elderly. The elderly are more than ok, I am tired of this govt always looking for ways to appeal to this high voter trunout age group by looting the younger generation.
Bernie is one giant con artist.
uche007us 1 month ago
@uche007us I dare you to join any church works program and see which age group are overly represented in the "too poor and weak to fix a fucking hole in the door" category.
InformationPollution 1 month ago
@InformationPollution I have volunteered at a homeless shelter and I can tell u that not one person I meet there was 65+. they were mostly 20-35 druggies. The fact that a struggling society should go even more for this age group who have been blessed with so many govt program, tax write off, utility assistance programs and general generousity of society is just wrong. We have to stop heaping our future generations with more debt and everybody has to chip in.
Enough is enough
uche007us 1 month ago
@uche007us I volunteer at a homeless shelter every week, and we have several regulars that are past the age of 65. Though, admittedly, people in that age group usually don't remain homeless for long, as they tend to die. Nice of you to tacitly say that the homeless are usually "druggies" though.
InformationPollution 1 month ago
@InformationPollution Thanks for your honourable volunteering, I applaud your empathy and service sincerely for it is much needed in these days and times. And even if the homeless were drug users, thats all the more reason to lend a helping hand for we have to stop demonizing people who have problems, its very clear to anyone with any common sense that belittling people who need help doesn't help them it just promotes more negativity.
chronikful 1 month ago
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let it be know that 65 and older have the highest standard of living that any other age group. This man is either a fraud or suffering from mental illness.
uche007us 1 month ago
@uche007us Old people get whatever they want because they vote and have a huge lobbyist group working for them. (AARP)
Every year, they get more Social Security and more Medicare, and people in every other age group get higher taxes or the government just borrows more money from China to hand out to them.
ryanfarmer1984 1 month ago
@ryanfarmer1984 isnt that sad and the people(mostly young) love him for it. The is the classic case of people directly voting against their own interest. Only someone who has ever been to a casino, worked at any of these TV shopping network phone line or even home healthcare knows the economic strenght of this age group.
Sad sad day in America
uche007us 1 month ago
@ryanfarmer1984 Just think when you get to 60 years old buddy...Think were will you be.
usergently 1 month ago
@ryanfarmer1984 You really are delusional!
Viracocha711 1 month ago