The Great Global Warming Swindle - Part 1 of 7

[agnostaxian]

my pg&e bill is outrageous. i directly blame environmentalist nutbags

[maxmouche]

what a poorly made documentary... I especially love the bit where they only focus on the downward bits of the temperatures graph going "See? See how it's going down? Means it wasn't us" completely omitting to look at the overall trend... search for Sir David Attenborough's truth about Global Warming.

[BuryMeDeepInLove1]

Seems like a lot of you take all your evidence straight from this. Maybe you should do some of your own research rather than simply regurgitating others' opinions.

[GenSButler]

@BuryMeDeepInLove1 "Maybe you should do some of your own research rather than simply regurgitating others' opinions."

Global warming is nothing more than new make up on the malthusian pig. Notions of stopping industrialization/innovation and mandating population reduction are reactionary oligarchical notions as old as the Trojan wars. The dire forecasts of Malthus and his legacy have never been borne out by reality.

[futuramaishot]

man... I love the intro... so pro!

[Landaux]

its a hostile planet. 

[M3mPHiS]

I know that we pollute the earth but I doubt there can be such an impact on the temperature of the earth etc.. I mean, who's more likely to influence the earth, we humans with our factories and cars etc or the big Sun which is how many times bigger and more powerful and hotter than the earth! I pick the second!

[grendelee]

@M3mPHiS Who is saying theres no such thing as the sun? lol

[cornwallgeezer]

Grapes were being grown in abundance as far north as Scotland a couple of thousand years ago. The Romans recorded this!

[pneumatictrousers]

I've taken over 5 years of geoscience classes and the more you come to find out is that what this person is saying is true. Pollution is the problem and CO2 was this last decades boogeyman. With the amount of conditioning, social conformity and politically correctness I've met more than my share of undereducated young people attending college that hardly question anything. The PC crowd mixing their kooky new age religious and gay politic ideas has brought shame to the environmental science field

[cucarachon]

They discussed this documentary at the geography department of my university the other day, The documentary got pwned. Global warming is real people, dont justify our actions

[ImMichaelTaylor]

Anyone who says there is incontrovertible evidence either way is lying.

All scientists really know is that there is a potential risk.

It's like 'russian roulette'; I can't prove the first go will kill you, but I'll still recommend you don't play it at all.

[Mickeydrews]

i study the climate and meteorology everyday the patters i see based off stone cold facts lead me to believe the world would heat up if we where here or not. 10,000 years ago the world was covered in ice so naturally since then it has warmed up but not because of us man made global warming is a money making lie to get votes believe what u want children.

[MichaelBallack91]

@Mickeydrews

thank you kind sir. Someone with a brain. If people want to believe it, fine. As long as it doesn't affect me, they can believe whatever they want. Guess what? Cows shit from factory farmed animals produces the MOST CO2 out of anything....don't believe me? look it up. Al Gore has admitted he is not vegetarian just that he's "cut down". Here we have the leader of this movement not even fully committing to his cause...why should I believe him and his private jet/mansion?

[Mickeydrews]

@MichaelBallack91 al gore's mansion uses 20x the power of a normal house hold! thats insane

[422eng]

correction 11 year cycles my bad.

[422eng]

This documentary doesn't use up to date data. It is true that sunspots control weather and that they go in a cyclical pattern of 7 years. However 2009-2010 was a period where the world should have experienced a cooling trend caused from sun spot activity, but the contrary was evident. water vapor is a climate feedback not a forcing. Read "Target Atmospheric CO2: Where Should Humanity Aim?" by Hansen et al.

[Mickeydrews]

@422eng 09-10 was el nino warm air in places that arnt use to it

[aussiebakert1977]

@rbh1138. Your joking right? Wikipedia references the Ofcom complaint directly and Ofcom is an independant review board. So the question is do I believe a peer reviewed article (Wikipedia) sourcing an indepentant review and investigation heavily critical of this source. The answer is yes. Believe what you want to believe but don't claim that it is credible.

[aussiebakert1977]

Look at the wikipedia article states that this program is misrepresenting the facts.

[rbh1138]

@aussiebakert1977 Wikipedia is a supporter of Global Climate Change, so how can you trust them? If everyone tells you something does that make it true? Everyone use to say the earth was flat. It was considered truth.

[nlpjohn]

@rbh1138 Wikipedia did dismiss a super editor named William Connolley who was involved in editing wars with climate sceptics. Connolley is a climate alarmist. In a unanamous decision by an arbitration board, Connolley was dimissed by wiki. Wiki is still biased but they did take a step in the right direction in getting rid of Connolley.

[MrChris046]

Guys, guys.... We must save the planet to save ManBearPig !!!

[EpicFishFingers]

Unfortunately this program was found to have mis-represented graphs and misquoted some interviewees, including one Carl Wunsch (google him). Ofcom launched an investigation following over 250 complaints after the program was first aired, one of which was 176 pages long (from a group of scientist complainants apparently). Google the phrase "ofcom great global warming swindle report" and select the second link (the pdf) for more info.

I wish this vid were right, though :/

[NICKMAN112253]

@EpicFishFingers At first glance, it seems as though you are correct and the makers of the video commited serious errors in their presentation of the information. Yet, upon further inspection, it seems as though this is a half-hearted attempt to debunk the makers of this video. In fact, much of the report seems to coincide with the way in which Global Warming scientists conduct their climate studies. The "group complaint"..."some of which were scientists..." read the words not the title!

[ramtopsman]

If we can't accurately predict what the weather will be in a week / month / year HOW THE HELL CAN YOU PREDICT WHAT IT WILL BE LIKE IN 50 YEARS TIME (Man made global warming is a huuuuuge con)

Example: Uk governments are now creating pinch points on uk roads to create congestion which in tern creates (Man made global warming due to masses of CO2) Which means they can raise Taxes on cars Fuel and anything that contributes to The great global warming epidemic

The great global warming tax

[klharrison90]

@ramtopsman Climate and Weather are not the same thing.

Climate encompasses the statistics of temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, wind, rainfall, atmospheric particle count and other meteorological elements in a given region over a long period of time. Climate can be contrasted to weather, which is the present condition of these same elements and their variations over shorter time periods.

Climatology is completely different to meteorology.

[lolcatss92]

besides, it doesn't matter who caused global warming. it's happening and if we want the survival of our species then we need to do something about it.

[lolcatss92]

this is complete bullshit. you do realize that carbon dioxide is NOT the most potent greenhouse gas. the most harmful gases that created the ozone hole are man-made. last time i checked that means we (humans) are causing the problems. and if you're going to try to tell me that the ozone layer and global warming are not related then take a course in earth science. you'll see that everything is connected. oh and scientists don't lie. politicians do.

[Mikeyourdude]

@lolcatss92

Please watch the entire documentary because i doubt that you did, and if you did what makes you think that all the lies that we are been told are true about GW made by men ?? There is global warming but we are not causing it and it's been used to promote lies. Carbon dioxide tax, biofuels that are useless.

The point is we are not being told the truth, and "green" people should worry about something more important : Like GMO food for instance.

[stoltobot]

although i prefer the truth to ignorance, i do believe, regardless of its scientific legitimacy, the so-called 'green revolution' will create some new industries and wrench some of the power out of the ideologically backwards middle-east.

[Urbura]

There are mountains of research backing up the issue of climate change and what does this documentary have? 5000 views and a couple of peer reviewed studies (at best)? Spare me your ignorance and take an actual Environmental Science course before making a stance on the issue. Climate Change aside, there are plenty of other reasons why we should be concerned with the environment: loss of wildlife, flooding, droughts, loss of resources, plant life, ocean life, and even our own respiratory health.

[skunkworks226]

@Urbura and regulating a carbon dioxide will solve none of that. global warming is giving the entire environmental movement a black eye

[happyale]

How can i do my own research, there were so much science

[3starAdmiral]

@happyale I would recommend you begin your research by reading the publications of those that are in favor of Anthropogenic Global Warming and those who do not assume an Anthropogenic Global Warming cause. Please feel free to send me a message and I could give you some references to start out with.

[spacecadetdavsot]

@3starAdmiral @3starAdmiral Even if the theory is incorrect, Dr. Tim Ball is nothing more than a puppet of the oil industry.

I agree that Global Warming is being used to profit off human beings (what isn't?) but the documentary seems slightly flawed.

[68spaceman]

@happyale Go to potholer54 and greenman3610 for lots of excellent vids on this complex subject. They are easy to understand and have full verification and links to publications of the actual science if you really want to stretch your brain. Also google exxonsecrets or Exxon secrets to find out about a real conspiracy involving the man-made global warming debate.

[hangarrat101]

hmmm i think with all the shit we're throwing into the environment, to say we're having no effect whatsoever goes beyond common sense. you do wonder just whether we are doing as much damage as they say we are though.

[TheBrassBone]

@hangarrat101 Wrap your head around this hangarrat101. Humans affect the environment. Humans do not affect the climate. Was that so hard to think about? Holy shit.

[3starAdmiral]

@hangarrat101 I agree. We (humans) do pollute and cause plenty of damage to our environment. Now, the real question is, "how much damage does anthropogenic CO2 do to the environment?" For me at least, that's when the real research begins and the myths seem to be exposed.

[JRayMalcolm]

@hangarrat101 you also have to keep in perspective how vast our earth really is, go up 50 miles and you cant even tell humans are on the planet. not to mention the natural filters and adaptations it can make. sure we effect it but it could just as easily be a positive as a negative, but more likely a neutral effect.

[agnostaxian]

@hangarrat101 animals have been throwing a ton of shit (literally) at the environment for millions of years. should we regulate them to death as well?

[comanchio1976]

I saw this documentary when it 1st came out...then was hushed up.

Why cant we just have the truth instead of propaganda? I'm fucked if I know what to believe.

[MilitiaHQ]

@comanchio1976 Be wary of anything the government and media spout, do your own research and trust your own gut instinct always err on the side of caution.

[vaiksnoras73]

I noticed some inconsistencies in film. Take film from time 7.20. Chap behind camera says 200 years ago! and graph shows 17th century. At the same time another chap says in the 14th century... And the illustrations and prints! Whoever did this film should look that these costumes (not talking about ships) are 19 century (film time 7.35).

[bassmonster2]

@vaiksnoras73 He says at least 200, he's talking about when it ends "to the end of a very cold period" the guy referring to the 14th century is talking about the beginning of the little ice age. You noticed jack.

[vaiksnoras73]

Hi all! I am trying to make my mind about Climate Change. I tend to accept anthropogenic explanation yet admit that it is because this was the first explanation. I would rather suspend my judgment as I am not a specialist in the field. This film seem to bring few respected names in support of anti-human influence on CC. HOWEVER, I noticed some inconsistency. If you look from time 7.23 it says 200 years. I take graph shows XVIII century. Yet the chap behind camera says 14 century!!!

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker You are really too hilarious to be believed. The temperature hasn't risen since 1998. You insist that local conditions mean nothing and then go on to postulate that local condition might change in Africa or the Maldives. Record snowfall, record cold, yet you cling to your belief that the world is warming. No matter what happens it is global warming. Your lack of common knowledge belies a degree in anything, except perhaps copy and paste. No one believes the lie any more. Adios

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker Damn for a moment there I thought you were going to blame earthquakes on global warming. You wouldn't have been the first. I guess it doesn't bother you that more people die from the cold than from heat. Let me know when the maldives are gone. Try not to have a panic attack.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker you are an idiot

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker No there are three main climate research projects that collect and distribute climate data. I gave you two, do a bit of reseach and find out the other for yourself. BTW you know nothing of me or my lifestyle. I didn't fall for the Climate change/Global Warming Scam. Unlike you I am realistic and unwilling to let billions perish because you have something against oil.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker The climate has always changed. I work in the north. I know what I see. The weather will vary from year to year. Your arguments are based on what ifs. the Global warming scam has been busted.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker There again with the coal tar. Proves you know nothing except what someone else told you. It isn't coal and it isn't tar. Also the land is replanted after use. Expensive? Currently a profit of +400 percent for every barrel produced. The water is retained in tailings ponds and recycled and new processes are coming onstream every year. I gather you also know nothing of the process used to refine heavy metals used in battey production. I know both. Oil production is much cleaner.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker So then if we have more rainfall where are your droughts coming from? Oh yes the mythical warming where it never rains. You keep contradicting yourself. And that's your problem. You claim random events as proof of global warming. Not some, but all. To you everything is proof of global warming. Too hot, too cold, too dry, too wet, storms no storms, the ice that isn't melting, the droughts that aren't happening. Let me know when you want to solve real problems, not mythical ones.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker It is pointless to try and reason with you. To you it is a religion and it is pointless to argue with fanatics. The problem is yes you do not think. You are programmed. The models are broken . None have ever been proven to work. The data is corrupted. Move on.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker  If you stopped all production of man released CO2 you would notice only a .1C decrease in the next 100 years. Move on. CO2 is not a pollutant.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker No there are only three major centers of climate research and one of those has been proven to have sexed up the data and the other has conspired to discredit opposing view points. Hardly scientific. Since all universities are researching the same data you have no independant control.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker I have been there have you? Don't fall for everything you read in the papers. There is no tar! Oil sands. And compared to what BP did in the Gulf, it's a lot cleaner, or are you naive enough to believe that all that oil just magically disappeared? And yes the figures do tell me that the reserves are greater that those of the rest of the world, or does 1.7 trillion barrels not mean anything to you. 

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker The greatest greenhouse gas is water vapor and you overestimate the amount of heat trapped. You seem to not realize that solar radiation is also reflected. Again your lack of common knowledge is astounding to say the least.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker You keep reaching for events that may or may not happen. You of course realize that the drying of the Aral sea is caused by diverting water for irrigation and not drought. Just in case you decide to go there. BTW the whole senario of drought caused by global warming is erroneous at best. You claim the ice will melt. Warmer temperatures = more atmospheric water vapor= more temperate climate = more not less rainfall. You really don't seem to know very much about closed systems.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker You're wrong again. Rachel Carson lied. She ommitted Dewitts conclusions in her book and misrepresented his findings. The falcon population was in decline before the usage of DDT. Funny how you never knew that considering your supposed to have a phd. You should also have known that Feeding primates more than 33,000 times the average daily human exposure to DDT (as estimated in 1969 and 1972) was "inconclusive with respect to a carcinogenic effect of DDT in nonhuman primates

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker BTW the deaths in the Australian wildfires were as a result of dead vegetation left uncleared. Here's the kicker. The eviromental wacko's didn't want landowners clearing the deadfall and pressured the government for laws forbidding them to do so. Much like ethanol production is forcing up the price of corn in the third world. Same as the ban on DDT(more fake science there) caused millions of malaria deaths in Africa.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker BTW I don't think about the Americans. No connection between Global warming and oil prices? What have you been smoking? The oikl companies are the biggest traders in carbon credits! Why would the war in Iraq consume more oil today? What did Sadam run his million man army on? Peanut oil? Single or pair of winters? I've been around far longer than you buddy. Been there done that. Seen warm ones seen cold ones. Same as dear old mom. She has seen warm ones and cold ones.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker I lived in NL. The seas aren't rising, when should I expect this to happen. I now live inland. Sorry to disappoint you but the lakes are still as high as ever, when can I expect them to dry up? As for the famine spiel, were you aware that they were also pushing that in the seventies? And did you also realize that teperatures today are taken digitally and that a hundred years ago they were taken with rather crude instruments with great possibility of human error?

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker Two hundred years ago we didn't have widespread use of oil, why would you think that we would still be using oil two hundred years from now? I have a plan. Build the reactors now. A thousand would be a good start. Did you know that more people have died eating organic spinach than have died in NorthAmerican nuclear accidents? As for battery operated electric cars, are you aware of the enviromental impact of replacing todays cars with battery operated vehicles?

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker No. He is on the take. NASA's climate project is done on a voluntary basis. This eliminates and removes it from congressional oversight. They were caught redhanded sexing up the data. Making the temperatures fit the model as opposed to using the actual temperatures to create a model. Got that? Corruption and he is their man at the top.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker CO2 has no correlation to temperature change. CO2 increases after warming and is not a precursor.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker again your temperatures have been compromised by the Urban Heat Island effect and poor site location, Of course climate changes. It always has. Those who expect the climate to remain static are the real deniers.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker There is no Global warming. There is only the warming shown by the urban heat island effect. Atmospheric temperatures have fallen, not risen in the last ten years. You know nothing about the oil industry. Nortern Alberta contains more oil than all of Arabia. Northern Saskatchewan contains twice as much as Alberta. Alaska hasn't been touched, neither has the far north. The Bakken formation in Montana, North Dakota, and Saskatchewan has an area greater than that of the UK.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker So why don't you start by following the money. Al Gore 1 billion. the UN want 100 billion to start. James Hansen(NASA) 1.25 million plus speaking engagements! BTW NASA's program is voluntary and not subject to oversight. Big oil has made billions in the carbon credit market not to mention over-inflated oil pricing. There is no scarcity of oil.BTW the temps have been cooling for ten years, not one. Get your facts straight.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker Important stuff like windmills and solar that neeed backup for when they don't work, that would be most of the time. Electric cars with heavy metal batteries that have extremely limited range. No thought as to where these heavy metals come from.. Three hundred years ago there was no big oil. Infant mortality wqas extreme. Life expectancy was 45 years of age. People lived hand to mouth. Don't try to tell me what will be in three hundred years when you cannot predict the next 20.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker The current modeling has never been right. Not once. It has not to this day ever predicted an event with any more accuracy than the Farmers Almanac. In reality the Almanac has been far more accurate than any climate modelling. I get a kick out of how you will admit that they are wrong but say give it time! Why? How much time? Where are the rising seas? The increase in hurricanes? The warmer temperatures? The CO2 is up, but the temperatures are not. Another fail.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker In the United Kingdom in 2009, 9 people died every hour from cold related illnesses. Wildfires in Russia were caused by careless disposal of cigarettes and passing trains. Cold kills far more people that heat. That's a fact.

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker how pathetic. In one breath you say localized temperatures mean nothing and in another you quote lacalized events. You're the dickhead. Al Gore made a billion dollars from fools like you. Big oil made trillions from fools like you. Before Global warming oil was $15, now $89. NASA fudged the data. What part of that don't you understand? Garbage in Garbage out. The Hadley Research Center conspired against anyone who disagreed with them. What part of that don't you understand?

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker Are you that pathetically stupid that you believe the ice falls into the ocean because there is less of it? What do you think the Titanic struck? Antarctic ice accounts for 90% of all ice on the planet and the rate is growing moron. Suck it up. Antarctic Peninsula ice loss doesn't even factor in, but that's the only thing idiots such as yourself ever bring up. BTW Exxon (or big oil) was one of the largest sellers of carbon credits. So keep supporting big oil you fool!

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker Sure you have a phd, probably in whacking yourself off. Concensus does not science make. Your scam has been busted. You and your pathetically stupid ilk will go down in history as complete buffoons. By the way when Norway, UK, Mexico, Syria, Australia, Antartica and the United States all report record cold, do you consider these all to be localized? NASA sexed up the temps, Hadley Research Center was busted, Al Gore was outed by a 15 year old girl. Still you believe. LOL

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker try getting some real info for a change. And in case you weren't listening it's fucking cold outside. You might also do a little research into sunspots, after all do you think it might be possible that that funny yellow orb we circle arond might have something to do with temperature. So spare me your Globul bullshit. Your science is busted. Only morons fail to realize that it was never about the enviroment just the money!

[mrblue110]

@thisismymoniker You are an idiot! Global temperatures have fallen for the last ten years in a row! Go back to drinking your koolaid creep. Your science has been pissed on by everyone with any credibility. You should have another hit of your bong and try to get out of your mommy's basement every once in a while. The weather in Britain is relevant. As well as Norway, as well as Australia. November’s record high Antarctic Sea Ice Area of 16.90 Million Sq Km, exceeded the prior record.

[90192100]

The only thing I have in comon with Bush is that I don't believe in this lie!

apart from all the scientific information that proves it, I live in a place where it didn't snow for 5 years, and since 2 years ago it's snowing like crazy, schools are closed, it's insane, it's so so so cold, and believe me I'm one of the few girls that wears warm clothe in winter, our dam didn't fill in for 8 years and then u tell me that it's getting hotter, maybe where u live, pollution is a problem this is a stage

[richardsharp75]

Unfortunately Al Gore doesn't have time to respond. He is too busy with some nasty hookers.

[3starAdmiral]

@richardsharp75 His hookers are carbon-neutral.

[mrblue110]

@3starAdmiral Fat Albert pays with carbon trading credits!

[AvEryBadApPLe]

we're living in the age of 28 flavors of rice-a-roni. no one seems to care about anything but what others coax them into believing. tell you what, if anybody is willing to bet their life on the global warming ruse, maybe folks should hold their breath. the planet is fine, the people are the ones that need saving.

[palmostositive]

@AvEryBadApPLe exactly!

[topologyrob]

Those struck by climategate - that's nothing compared to the incredible distortions and misinformation in this fictional film

[mrblue110]

@topologyrob No Al Gore made the fictional film, you know the film that uses the same scenes in the fictional movie "the day after"

the same movie than can only be aired in the UK with a disclaimer!

The scam has been busted. The money is drying up!

[topologyrob]

@mrblue110 Think that if it gives you comfort, though all the facts are against you as any scientist will confirm. On second thoughts, don't think that - you're condemning my daughter and her generation to a troubling future with your head-in-the-sand denial. So please grow up and stop being a baby.

[mrblue110]

@topologyrob  I am so sorry that you are suffering from these paranoid and delusional feelings! You should really try to seek out professional help. I'm sorry but the scam has been busted! Meanwhile try not to pass on your delusions to your daughter. Child abuse is such an ugly thing! Did you not know that most scientist are now backing away from man made global warming? Did you not realize that NASA sexted up the data? That most of the global warming advocates have been thourghly discredited?

[topologyrob]

@mrblue110 Sorry mate, you've clearly been misinformed. Open up any scientific journal with a modicum of credibility - eg. Science, Nature, Scientific American - and see how many deniers are taken seriously there. Scientists are more concerned than ever that we get on with addressing this issue, and the various smears have been exposed. Child abuse is to leave future generations to clean up our mess. Now act like a grown up and stop shirking your responsibility by sticking your head in the sand.

[mrblue110]

@topologyrob No I'm sorry you are delusional. None of the sources you cited have any remaiming credibility The fact is it's the warmists who aren't taken seriously . That you bring up children is proof of you lunacy!"My God think of the Children!" By the way what do you think of the record cold in Norway last month? How about the cold in Europe killing so many in the last week? Have you know sense of shame? Think of the homelesss men dying! Real dying, now, not 50 years in the future!

[topologyrob]

@mrblue110 See ya - if you're so far gone as to dismiss all science - as in wave away the most credible of all journals, Nature - then you live in a strange world, far removed from reality. Have fun with your creationist, flat-earth, witchcraft world. Stop using a computer too - the science behind it must be bunk, so it could explode at any time. As for your examples, they mean little in isolation - the climate system as a whole is what matters. You need to grow up soon - the consequences matter

[mrblue110]

@topologyrob What science are you talking about? The broken hockey stick graph? The NASA sexed up temperature? The melting ice that isn't? The glaciers that aren't melting? The Arctic ice that just doesn't seem to go away? Were you aware that Britons are riding on buses to keep warm? They are going to libraries to keep warm? In Briton alone last year 9 people died every hour from cold related illnesses and that will rise this year! Are you so blind to the reality that you can't see the onvious?