Obama to Dems: “Buck up”; Dems to Obama: “Buck off... Buck up b/c I Obama's only begun to f^*k up. How about you just buck off Dali Bama
The problems Democratic politicians face in mid-terms & coming 12 elections is not that voters have not bucked up – it’s that their leaders have fucked up !
Home is exactly where voters are heading, though only a man in the terminal throes of self-delusion & utter narcissism could accuse we Americans of being unserious. The first 19 mo's of Obama’s ride, the Fed. debt rose by $2.5260 trillion, thats more cumulative total of the debt amassed by all presidents from Washington through Reagan. Unemployment has risen to 9.6 % despite his PROMISES that passage of his STIMULUS would keep the rates at under 8%. The bastard is a clown..
Talk about audacity. After ignoring the will of American people for 2 full yrs, Obama had the chutzpah to chide Dem voters for being less than thrilled with the job he & fellow Dem's in Congress have done as elections approach. A interview in Rolling Stone Mag Obqama says , people need to shake off this lethargy, & need to buck up,"if people now want to take their ball & go home, it tells me folks weren't serious in the 1st. place. This bastard Obama is a clown.
Would you spend $3 to have dinner with Obama? (Do I hear $2.50)
It used to cost $5 to have dinner with President Obama. But these are tough times, & Obama has turned out to be a disappointment to even some of his staunchest one-time supporters. Both of which explain why the going rate in a raffle to win a dinner with the president is down to $3
Greatest flunkie President ever... Obams rated 25 on the GQ's “25 Least Influential People Alive.” He's down sharing the dregs with MSNBC host Ed Schultz, Newsweek editor Tina Brown, deposed Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, disgraced C&W singer Hank Williams, Jr., & take notice! House Majority Leader John Boehner ! Hes pathetic in my opioion.
How the mighty have fallen! Barack Obama—the man who vowed to slow the rise of the oceans, whose likeness was destined to appear on U.S. currency or Mt. Rushmore, who claimed to be able to bend steel with his bare hands—makes GQ‘s list of flunkies for 2011
EVERYONE should pay a flat percentage....say 25%. It is the only fair way of handling the taxing situation. Why should 41 percent of the population get away with not paying for any of the services the government provides - water,sewer,roads, fire and police protection..... the list goes on but they get it all for free. WTF!
He's only proposing it now because tea partiers have made the deficit into the biggest issue, and the repubs are eager for a red herring. The deficit is hardly an urgent problem, especially in the middle of a recession. However, if you insist on shrinking the deficit RIGHT NOW, don't take capital from services for the poor, who are the most likely to spend what they earn. Take it from the people who are the least likely to actually put a significant portion of that capital back into the economy.
@Bloodmuffin6 exactly. If the tax cuts for the wealthy actually worked and Reagan's trickle down economics theory held water and wasn't a shallow dis-proven theory like the GOPs new one that regulations kill business (well maybe monopolies but busting trusts stimulates other growth..and lets look at how thriving unregulated third world economies are) we wouldn't be in a recession now.
Most people who wound up here did so because they hate the pres, so I doubt youll get much support. But bravo!
@Bloodmuffin6 You realize very few rich people have piles of money laying around at home right? Most of their money is already put into the economy through bonds, stocks, etc...
congress has fought him on every issue. Congress is the problem , congress needs an to be flushed down the tiolet. Obama is trying to clean up the mess left by Bush. He was the worst pres. ever.
I guess everyone here complaining about tax increases makes over a million a year. Pretty amazing.... And if any of you are here complaining about Obama raising taxes and you don't make over a million a year, maybe you should get your information from someplace other than Fox News.
He goes against everything he's ever promised and people still blindly love him, it's ridiculous. I was dumb enough to believe in him in 08, and I realize he's a complete bullshit bank slave. Yet others don't come to their senses, the fuck America?!
He's doing brilliantly in a very difficult situation compared to most other presidents I've seen in the last 60 years. Tax rates for the wealthy are way lower than they should be because this political system is more and more for the rich and more an more at the expense of the middle class and poor. The rich control public opinion through their media outlets and many appends hear are simply biting the hand that feeds them. Poor working against their own interest.
@hjachter How can you possibly say that the rich control public opinion through the media when the media has bent over backwards to make this President look good, despite of his inabilities, and inexperience? Not only did they compare him to Lincoln and FDR, but Time Magazine compared him to Jesus!
I can understand if someone is vested in this guy after voting for him, but you have to at least see his weaknesses!
do you even have a brain? the top 10% income earners pay more than 50% of all federal taxes and more than 70% of federal income taxes according to the Congressional Budget Office which is a federal agency that isnt going to lie about the numbers because they have nothing to gain out of lying
@jackpelton let me make this very simple so you can understand. If a Billionaire pays $1M in taxes and a $25k worker pays $20k in taxes, who has made the greatest sacrifice? The billionaire has paid 1 millionth of has net worth -- which he will never feel and the $25k worker will starve and be homeless. Taxes are allocated proportionately to income and not in absolute dollar terms for this reason. Therefore, your comment about the total amounts paid by the rich vs. poor is meaningless.
let me make this clear and simple so you can understand... your calculations are incorrect so you're just plain stupid
a person earning 25k is taxed at 15%, you say they are taxed at 80%
a "billionaire" would most likely pay at the highest rate which is 35% for his income and 15% of whatever his capital gains are meaning they would be taxed at 50%
Very simple, he says what he wants us to hear. Unfortunately for him (and fortunately for us) more than 50% of the country has caught on and doesn't like it.
funny how everyone thinks the president can flip a switch and shit gets done when in reality he really doesnt have much power at all....for those being racial what do you have to say about Bush..point being the PEOPLE suchas congress and the president are full of it..no one in the government is looking out for this country...2012 will be no different...the people will elect a new president and nothing will change
It has been very clear from Obama's first days in office that he is in over his head. Contradictory statements of his on YouTube are all over the place and easy to find. If you've followed this closely, you would know that he is an embarrassment for himself as well as the nation.
His most recent screw-up, and the one they are trying to cover up, is the $535,000,000.00 taxpayer investment into a "green company" that Obama was hot on by the name of Solyndra. The taxpayers get hosed again.
He has no idea what's going on, so he just makes up stuff like I used to do in 8th grade while bs'ing on a term paper.
"the period, well, it was a period of conflict, because this side had this view, and the other side didn't like that view, so they had a war, and it was bloody, and..."
At the time he said this, Obama wasn't smart enough to know that the economy was going to go backwards during his entire term! He is messed up again!!!
....seriously??? and do you have any factual basis for that statement or is that just what fox news told you to think? (because if they didn't discourage viewers from supporting him or a liberal viewpoint, he could raise taxes on the corporation that owns them, and therefore on the executives who own them)
@clynch523 Unprecedented deficit spending with massive payoffs and corruption. Promised green jobs, total waste , forced Obamacare down the people's throat WITHOUT knowing what it did, rates have risen faster after it than before, the opposite of his promise, loss of AAA credit rating, much worse unemployment than when he took office, Summer of recovery never happened. Arming Al Qaeda in Libya, destabilized Egypt, and on and on. Recession deepening. Failed to get Olympics. A pompous failure.
Don't forget the puppeteer, George Soros, who is pulling Obama's strings. Mr. Soros needs to pay his share and more. And, now, Timothy Geithner, our United States Secretary of the Treasurer, can pay for his back owed taxes.
Circumstances have changed? Really? Let's see... BHO has printed more money than growth of the economy during this time... That excessive amount of printing, over and above what the economy has produced, forces perspective to APPEAR as growth. Its NOT! We are in a Recession NOW, hidden only by the printing press! It freaking MATH! We see the actual damage everyday but somehow lefties spin this economic suffering as a "recovery summer". Keynesian economics never worked, it just fails slower.
@ztkRaptoR I understand that you are probably Republican, but I dont think you understand. Let's see if I can explain this. Two years ago, Obama made these comments. I agree. Circumstances changed, thus, as a result his position on taxation has changed. Usually rational people change their positions with changes around them and, in regards to this situation, the economy and the deficit has caused him to change his position. I think it is completely normal to change your position on taxation
@pseudohippie55 he had internal pushback pressure from members of his own party in regards to the pork question you ask. If you understand politics, then you understand that situation. There is a lot of grey area in politics, and clearly you don't understand that. If you want to get worked up over the C-SPAN health care thing. That is out of his control. I am actually Republican, i dont agree with everything Obama has done that's for sure, but you have to understand the political landscape.
@pseudohippie55 umm.. a lie is a deliberate intent to deceive. Do you honestly think that was his intention? I think all politicians lie to get votes, that is very obvious if you have ever watched debates and then compared track records. But i also think that promising something and then realizing it is not the best option is something different. I respect your opinion, just don't hold on so tight.
@mdd7562 I don't hold on tightly. I look at the evidence, and it shows this man is a compulsive liar.
I personally think this man is the worst President I've had the displeasure of living under. He's weak. I understand he was pressured, but if he were a true President who cared about Americans, we would not have caved in and made a liar of himself again and again. He should have stood up for himself and stopped the pork. But he didn't.
@mdd7562 So it's not a lie if you're bullied by peer pressure? Please. That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard.
Wake up. This man is a complete liar. I don't care if people pressured him. Everyone gets pressured by others, but do you know why he caved in? FOR VOTES. So he would have support and so he wouldn't look bad in his own party. He cares more about his votes than ANYTHING else.
@pseudohippie55 I don't know how much formal education you have had, but you are literally proving my point that it was not a "lie". You wouldn't make a good lawyer. By the way, I did say I am republican.
@mdd7562 You support him for backing down to pressure, That's not a good quality for him to have. If the Taliban pressure to bomb us, will he give in to that too?
@pseudohippie55 Don't waste your time on the idiots, they'll never listen no matter how many facts you present them, try to focus on those that seem like they have at least more than 5 brain cells lol
@mdd7562 You say you're Republican...ok maybe you are. I support a few things he's done, but I still think he's over all been a bad President. His spending makes Bush's outrageous spending seem normal. His track record is full of lies and mistakes. Most of his predictions and those of his admin have been wrong.
He had multiple back room deals. In fact, he bribed (w/ our tax money) many companies to "agree" with his health care bill.
He even says it twice: After the recession is over! Does he have a clock or calender that tells him exactly when it will be over? Let me know , cuz I am sucking hind tit and I want to know when it is my turn move up!
Once again we see the inexperience and just plain stupidity of this admin.
He even says it twice: After the recession is over! Does he have a clock or calender that tells him exactly when it will be over? Let me know , cuz I am sucking hind tit and I want to know when it is my turn move up!
Once again we see the inexperience and just plain stupidity of this admin.
Disappointing - it was such a great opportunity to be an Historic Presidency - huge numbers voting for and supporting him, challenges to overcome as a Nation... and pooooofffff, a dud!
I'd say we've got to crack down on the Union jobs, cut their pay and pensions before anything else. There is no way to compete against a $40 dollars or more an hour salary. We need every state to become "Free To Work"
@mdd7562 He has been a bad president since his first day in office. He is a compulsive liar. He goes the way the wind is blowing. Don't trick yourself thinking that he is doing what is best for the country. Look at the comments and the new, besides the mainstream media, and you see the tide is rising and changing. Please Wake Up!
@thaxtonkevin1 that has nothing to do with my comment or this video. just because someone says something, and then believes something else is a better idea 2 years later doesn't mean he is a liar. My comment was in regards to this specific situation, and this specific video. You are talking on a larger level, and i was talking about this video.
@mdd7562 it's still a lie, you idiot. He told us you don't raise taxes in a recession. It's a lie. He changed his pinion, but it's still a lie. Period.
I'm willing to bet if Bush did this, you'd ask for us to murder him.
@pseudohippie55 idiot? That's funny and immature. Changing an opinion is not a lie, you should look up the definition. Regardless of that, I think it is completely rational to change your opinion on taxation depending on the status of the economy and the nation in general.
@mdd7562 Yes it is. If you change your opinion after promising something, you're still lying. No matter what.
This man is a con man. He'll do anything to het votes. Look at GE. They paid 0 taxes, yet got away with it. All the CEOs of that company sure as hell will vote for Barry in 2012. Yaaay! More votes.
Speaking at a 1995 campaign fund raiser in Houston, Bill Clinton said: "Probably there are people in this room still mad at me at that budget because you think I raised your taxes too much. It might surprise you to know that I think I raised them too much, too." Yesterday, on a news show, Bill Clinton said Republicans should compromise and let Obama raise taxes to the level he had them in the 90's. Goes to show democrats are void of principles and not to be trusted.
The TSUNAMI coming in 2012 will make the 2010 elections seem like a bump in the road. Thank you Obama for destroying the Democrat party once and for all, something Republicans couldn't do in 160 years, you accomplished in 2 1/2...
The TSUNAMI coming in 2012 will make the 2010 elections seem like a bump in the road. Thank you Obama for destroying the Democrat party once and for all, something Republicans couldn't do in 160 years, you accomplished in 2 1/2!!
The TSUNAMI coming in 2012 will make the 2010 elections seem like a bump in the road. Thank you Obama for destroying the Democrat party once and for all, something Republicans couldn't do in 160 years, you accomplished in 2 1/2!!
The worst ever...The ABSOLUTE worst ever.... One and done...November 2012 can't come fast enough... If this man was a sworn enemy he could not have done as much damage as he has... The first anti-American president... God help us...
Liked for the good video uploaded, wanted to dislike for lying piece of shit obama... hes just president bush in a democrat suit. another bank puppet.
But it's fine to do it on the cusp of a double dip recession. Genius. Note that back then it was stoic economics and now it's whiny social justice "fair share" talk.
When the gap (try canyon) between rich and middle class is widening by the day, raising taxes on the rich should be a no-brainer. Only the party of the wealthy patron--the GOP, would ever truckle enough to call it class warfare, without bothering to think that warfare is what is being waged on the middle class and poor by their policies.
Obama: "Over the last six months, we've had a string of bad luck."
Obama: "If you love me, you gotta help me pass this bill." Pulease!
vs.
President Reagan: "You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We'll preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we'll sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness."
Any questions?!?
PS- To vote for Obama in 2012 is "to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness." Case closed.
3. Refers to the seasoned citizens of the Tea Party as “hostage-takers”
4. Orders supporters to “punish our enemies” (fellow Americans!)
5. AND says the police “acted stupidly” . . . . . . that’s when complete and utter disregard for civility and Rule of Law pose a threat to the Republic.
it should be abundantly clear to even obamas biggest supporters that he is as clueless as he can possibly be. this guy who had zero executive experience has no idea how to run anything effeciently.
it should be abundantly clear to even obamas biggest supporters that he is as clueless as he can possibly be. this guy who had zero executive experience has no idea how to run anything effeciently.
You dont elect a far left hyper-partisan hyper-racist post-constitutional marxist criminal as president either....
I guess folks forgot about what happened under Carter, this awful failed president should be a good enough lesson to never elect another leftist socialist dud for at least 80 years, not just the 40 between carter and Chairman Maobama.
Why does he want to raise them now? Because he's trying to get re-elected, and his base is telling him to fuck over everyone and anyone with money. This is known as class warfare and this man has a PhD in it. Punish the "wealthy", whatever that is. Prime grade socialism bordering on 1980s Soviet Union thuggery. Here's your hope and change, America.
Why does he want to raise them now? Because he's trying to get re-elected, and his base is telling him to fuck over everyone and anyone with money. This is known as class warfare and this man has a PhD in it. Punish the "wealthy", whatever that is. Prime grade socialism bordering on 1980s Soviet Union thuggery. Here's your hope and change, America.
People, pay attention to what taxes he's raising. As it stands, it's much more profitable for a millionaire to invest their money in funds, etc and let it grow without doing any work or creating any jobs. An increase in capital gains tax will remove the incentive to let money sit and instead put it into business development because the ROI will be better than earning interest. This means job creation. The rich wont pay these capital gains because they'll move their money into business = good
@springsling15 if you think investment into a company doesn't create jobs, then you have no clue how a business works. I can tell you don't have money, because, people with money don't "Let It Sit". Do yourself a favor, and read "Rich Dad, Poor Dad". You may then get a basic understanding of how money works, or how to make money work for you. I'd then suggest reading "The Intelligent Investor" and watch "Money As Debt". Also, read "Dollar Crisis" for the fun of it. Maybe you'll understand.
@EclipseAgent LOL An intelligent investor can make a minimum of 12% on their investments without lifting a finger or creating a single job. Let me ask you, if you could give someone else a million dollars and make $100,000 on it annually at a 15% tax rate without lifting a finger OR you could build a business (direct job creation) for the same $ & not recoup your investment for 5-10 years let alone turn a profit, which would you choose to do? Don't belittle someone you don't know.
@EclipseAgent I'm suggesting that the evidence shows it hasn't! There's trillions of dollars invested in big business but where are the jobs?? Where are they?? Why aren't record profits creating more jobs rather than being paid out as dividends? I am a small business owner and a Republican, I despise the income tax and sales taxes. There's only 1 source of revenue in the world that only serves to make the rich richer without working and that is capital gains on investments.
@springsling15 Are you that delirious? Look how many jobs Apple has in the United States. Look how many jobs are created by Small Businesses receiving funds from Venture Capitalists (Investors). There are MANY. Jobs aren't being created because of the current uncertainty and direction of our political leadership. It's been clearly said and reported by big company CEO's as a key reason to WHY they have more cash on hand then previously. As a small business owner, where do you get your capital?
@EclipseAgent Dude, venture capitalists take control of companies and are entitled to a specific share of the profits because *they work and own the business.* That's NOT the same as being a stock holder. It's not mandatory for companies to pay out dividends to their investors nor do they have an obligation to pay back any losses. I get my capital from my sales and operate debt free son! I know CEO's personally and they're pumping you full of shit to keep using your money for personal gain.
@springsling15 It depends on the investment strategy. There are venture capitalists that invest and take a share of the company. There are also venture capitalists that will invest for a return at XX% and on XX date (or when next round of funding is done). This is similar to how angel investors will work. As for what I pay in taxes. I'm structured pretty well, and PAY a CPA to do that work for me. If I had more money, I'd have more to invest and more property managers to pay (thus creating jobs
@springsling15 It depends on the investment strategy. There are venture capitalists that invest and take a share of the company. There are also venture capitalists that will invest for a return at XX% and on XX date (or when next round of funding is done). This is similar to how angel investors will work. As for what I pay in taxes. I'm structured pretty well, and PAY a CPA to do that work for me. If I had more money, I'd have more to invest and more property managers to pay (thus creating jobs
@EclipseAgent Btw, for every million spent in franchising, 40 long lasting American jobs are demonstrably created in the private sector. For every million invested into Apple, manufacturing jobs in foreign nations are created and shareholders get a piece of the billions in profit. Wonderful. Which is better for the most amount of Americans? Tax the capital gains so millionaires invest in homegrown business development.
@springsling15 Manufacturing is done out of the country, but how about the sales positions? How about R&D? How about customer support? How about all those jobs? Apple does much more than just manufacture. You realize that right?
@springsling15 Manufacturing is done out of the country, but how about the sales positions? How about R&D? How about customer support? How about all those jobs? Apple does much more than just manufacture. You realize that right?
@springsling15 Laughable. Capital gains which are taxed at lower rates than ordinary income ENCOURAGE you to invest in businesses rather than sit back and just earn interest income with it. 15% is lower than 33%. You get more of what you reward, less of what you punish. How do you think "the rich" get money out of their businesses? CAPITAL GAINS and DIVIDENDS.
@brucec43 You're right, you get what more of what you reward. We've rewarded capital gains and gotten 15% real unemployment. Don't be fooled Bruce! Capital gains and dividends do not create jobs, they just circulate money back into the wealthy pockets. If there's less incentive to invest in existing companies, there's more incentive to invest cash in new companies which is the key to the future of our job creating ability.
@springsling15 It's not the payout of the capital gains that creates jobs, it's the influx of the money that allows companies to use the capital to expand, thus creating jobs. Have you done anything in business by yourself? How about investing?
@brucec43 You're right, you get what more of what you reward. We've rewarded capital gains and gotten 15% real unemployment. Don't be fooled Bruce! Capital gains and dividends do not create jobs, they just circulate money back into the wealthy pockets. If there's less incentive to invest in existing companies, there's more incentive to invest cash in new companies which is the key to the future of our job creating ability.
@brucec43 Ah yes.. because being taxed on your money twice is the best way to do it right? First tax the monies 33%, which someone then reinvests elsewhere, and then gets taxed again on anything they make.
Also, DIVIDENDS are taxed differently then capital gains, you should check it up.
You sound like the typical liberal that has no sense.
@springsling15 Right, because only by taking away the profit for investing in businesses can we make the economy work; by taking out all the investment. Once those investors stop giving their money to companies to use, and the companies have less money; then we'll really do well.
because money is the problem and no money is the solution... so give me all your money now; to avoid the evil.
That was about the level of "logic" you used, right? When can I expect your check with that evil money?
@gekkobear Agreed.. he's delirious and doesn't understand that investment is used as capital in the firms that receive. Which is then turned into jobs to complete work and then paid back to the said investor.
I'm sure he thinks Venture Capitalists should get 0% returns too. Because, they are just investing, right?
@EclipseAgent I'm not delirious. I'm vested in corporate bonds, gold, silver, etc. and I'm a small business owner. Btw, I probably pay less in taxes than you. I fully understand what investments do for a company. I lobby for an organization that creates American jobs daily. I despise income, sales, and corporate taxes as they shrink demand and punish hard working people. I suggest however, that you've bought into a pile o'poop designed to fleece the middle class and pay the super wealthy.
@springsling15@springsling15 I also have Corp bonds (again, this is investing in a company, giving them capital to grown), gold, silver, palladium, wheat (and the list can go on). I'm also an investor of companies via preferred and common stock. Lastly I've previously sold small up start companies, that I bring up and sell off once the base is built. I'm now into REI. I do agree that I despise income, and corporate tax, but wouldn't mind a flat sales. I'm neither a Republican or Democrat :).
@EclipseAgent See, you and I both know, that the way to get truly rich is through making your money work for you. We both know that!! We're getting rich off that knowledge right now. Here's the thing I have a problem with, we tax people's incomes and profits to hell but we don't really touch investment income. That, imho, is what is creating such a huge gap between the wealthy and the middle class. I think if the opposite were true, there would be a hell of a lot more jobs.
@springsling15 Yes, we both know that you get financially wealthy by letting your money work for you. I'm in my 20's and have some growing to do in that aspect, but I have my goals, and am ahead of them. Income from investments can also be considered income, yet you don't like taxing income, but would tax investment income? Too many that rely on the system don't pay into the system and THAT is an issue. Also, the gap between wealthy and middle class is because of the lack of monetary knowledge.
@springsling15 Yes, we both know that you get financially wealthy by letting your money work for you. I'm in my 20's and have some growing to do in that aspect, but I have my goals, and am ahead of them. Income from investments can also be considered income, yet you don't like taxing income, but would tax investment income? Too many that rely on the system don't pay into the system and THAT is an issue. Also, the gap between wealthy and middle class is because of the lack of monetary knowledge.
@springsling15 Yes, we both know that you get financially wealthy by letting your money work for you. I'm in my 20's and have some growing to do in that aspect, but I have my goals, and am ahead of them. Income from investments can also be considered income, yet you don't like taxing income, but would tax investment income? Too many that rely on the system don't pay into the system and THAT is an issue. Also, the gap between wealthy and middle class is because of the lack of monetary knowledge.
@gekkobear Hey, it's not about taking money from investors, it's about making current investments less attractive. Investors are savvy and they're going to put their money where they yield the greatest return. Taxation plays a huge role in which investments yield the greatest return! Now, do we want investors putting money into companies with record profits and hiring freezes? Or new companies who create jobs daily? I suggest no taxes on business profit but higher taxes on capital gains.
Ron Paul 2012
netttels 1 week ago
So he knows when the recession is gonna end?! I want his magic 8-ball!
TweakRacer 2 weeks ago
Spending has to be capped and we must bear the pain until the deificit is reduced and hopefully eliminated
CanadaCorporateTax 3 weeks ago
This reminds me that Hugo Chavez said Cuba was a dictatorship, that he won't nationalize anything, that the state will only have one TV channel...
irbk500 4 weeks ago
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We all know that nbc will do & say anything to help Obama. We should all boycott them.
bmwz3m1 1 month ago
We all know that nbc will do & say anything to help Obama. We should all boycott them.
bmwz3m1 1 month ago
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OBAMA = ONE BOGUS ASSHOLE MANIPULATING AMERICA
mdreiguy 1 month ago
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Obama to Dems: “Buck up”; Dems to Obama: “Buck off... Buck up b/c I Obama's only begun to f^*k up. How about you just buck off Dali Bama
The problems Democratic politicians face in mid-terms & coming 12 elections is not that voters have not bucked up – it’s that their leaders have fucked up !
onstageagain 2 months ago
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Home is exactly where voters are heading, though only a man in the terminal throes of self-delusion & utter narcissism could accuse we Americans of being unserious. The first 19 mo's of Obama’s ride, the Fed. debt rose by $2.5260 trillion, thats more cumulative total of the debt amassed by all presidents from Washington through Reagan. Unemployment has risen to 9.6 % despite his PROMISES that passage of his STIMULUS would keep the rates at under 8%. The bastard is a clown..
onstageagain 2 months ago
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Talk about audacity. After ignoring the will of American people for 2 full yrs, Obama had the chutzpah to chide Dem voters for being less than thrilled with the job he & fellow Dem's in Congress have done as elections approach. A interview in Rolling Stone Mag Obqama says , people need to shake off this lethargy, & need to buck up,"if people now want to take their ball & go home, it tells me folks weren't serious in the 1st. place. This bastard Obama is a clown.
onstageagain 2 months ago
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Would you spend $3 to have dinner with Obama? (Do I hear $2.50)
It used to cost $5 to have dinner with President Obama. But these are tough times, & Obama has turned out to be a disappointment to even some of his staunchest one-time supporters. Both of which explain why the going rate in a raffle to win a dinner with the president is down to $3
onstageagain 2 months ago
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Greatest flunkie President ever... Obams rated 25 on the GQ's “25 Least Influential People Alive.” He's down sharing the dregs with MSNBC host Ed Schultz, Newsweek editor Tina Brown, deposed Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, disgraced C&W singer Hank Williams, Jr., & take notice! House Majority Leader John Boehner ! Hes pathetic in my opioion.
onstageagain 2 months ago
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How the mighty have fallen! Barack Obama—the man who vowed to slow the rise of the oceans, whose likeness was destined to appear on U.S. currency or Mt. Rushmore, who claimed to be able to bend steel with his bare hands—makes GQ‘s list of flunkies for 2011
onstageagain 2 months ago
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EVERYONE should pay a flat percentage....say 25%. It is the only fair way of handling the taxing situation. Why should 41 percent of the population get away with not paying for any of the services the government provides - water,sewer,roads, fire and police protection..... the list goes on but they get it all for free. WTF!
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Channel58 3 months ago
He's only proposing it now because tea partiers have made the deficit into the biggest issue, and the repubs are eager for a red herring. The deficit is hardly an urgent problem, especially in the middle of a recession. However, if you insist on shrinking the deficit RIGHT NOW, don't take capital from services for the poor, who are the most likely to spend what they earn. Take it from the people who are the least likely to actually put a significant portion of that capital back into the economy.
Bloodmuffin6 3 months ago
@Bloodmuffin6 exactly. If the tax cuts for the wealthy actually worked and Reagan's trickle down economics theory held water and wasn't a shallow dis-proven theory like the GOPs new one that regulations kill business (well maybe monopolies but busting trusts stimulates other growth..and lets look at how thriving unregulated third world economies are) we wouldn't be in a recession now.
Most people who wound up here did so because they hate the pres, so I doubt youll get much support. But bravo!
newhotshit85 3 months ago
@Bloodmuffin6 You realize very few rich people have piles of money laying around at home right? Most of their money is already put into the economy through bonds, stocks, etc...
sltsnirvana 1 month ago
@sltsnirvana Investing in the economy through stocks/bonds/etc. doesn't have the same effect as buying consumer goods.
Bloodmuffin6 1 month ago
@HeadOfTheCoin Have to agree. We are pretty screwed and it will be a tough next decade or more.
brucec43 4 months ago
Give this video to Obama to see if he comes out of his Class Warfare marxist funk.
artagus21 5 months ago
congress has fought him on every issue. Congress is the problem , congress needs an to be flushed down the tiolet. Obama is trying to clean up the mess left by Bush. He was the worst pres. ever.
MegaFishunter 5 months ago
I guess everyone here complaining about tax increases makes over a million a year. Pretty amazing.... And if any of you are here complaining about Obama raising taxes and you don't make over a million a year, maybe you should get your information from someplace other than Fox News.
stevemorge 5 months ago
This administration is the WORST in history. Tax cheats, liars, thieves. How very embarrassing for us. What a disaster.
PaulM4195 5 months ago 4
He goes against everything he's ever promised and people still blindly love him, it's ridiculous. I was dumb enough to believe in him in 08, and I realize he's a complete bullshit bank slave. Yet others don't come to their senses, the fuck America?!
Ninety9Soulz 5 months ago 8
"So why does he want to increase them now?"
Because he's a puppet who does whatever he's told to do at Bilderberg?
MetaIhead89 5 months ago
@MetaIhead89 Preach it man
Ninety9Soulz 5 months ago
you know how i know obama is lying? his lips are moving
jackpelton 5 months ago
hypocrite.
rTxMoNsTeRz 5 months ago 2
hypocrite.
rTxMoNsTeRz 5 months ago
Everything Odumbo says has an exp date.
shaqdaddy11 5 months ago
Does anyone who DIDN'T vote for this guy in 2008, now believe that he's done such a great job that they WILL vote for him in 2012?
~crickets~
donnygoat 5 months ago 2
He's doing brilliantly in a very difficult situation compared to most other presidents I've seen in the last 60 years. Tax rates for the wealthy are way lower than they should be because this political system is more and more for the rich and more an more at the expense of the middle class and poor. The rich control public opinion through their media outlets and many appends hear are simply biting the hand that feeds them. Poor working against their own interest.
hjachter 5 months ago
@hjachter How can you possibly say that the rich control public opinion through the media when the media has bent over backwards to make this President look good, despite of his inabilities, and inexperience? Not only did they compare him to Lincoln and FDR, but Time Magazine compared him to Jesus!
I can understand if someone is vested in this guy after voting for him, but you have to at least see his weaknesses!
He is not a leader.
donnygoat 5 months ago
@hjachter
do you even have a brain? the top 10% income earners pay more than 50% of all federal taxes and more than 70% of federal income taxes according to the Congressional Budget Office which is a federal agency that isnt going to lie about the numbers because they have nothing to gain out of lying
jackpelton 5 months ago
@jackpelton let me make this very simple so you can understand. If a Billionaire pays $1M in taxes and a $25k worker pays $20k in taxes, who has made the greatest sacrifice? The billionaire has paid 1 millionth of has net worth -- which he will never feel and the $25k worker will starve and be homeless. Taxes are allocated proportionately to income and not in absolute dollar terms for this reason. Therefore, your comment about the total amounts paid by the rich vs. poor is meaningless.
hjachter 4 months ago
@hjachter
let me make this clear and simple so you can understand... your calculations are incorrect so you're just plain stupid
a person earning 25k is taxed at 15%, you say they are taxed at 80%
a "billionaire" would most likely pay at the highest rate which is 35% for his income and 15% of whatever his capital gains are meaning they would be taxed at 50%
jackpelton 4 months ago
Very simple, he says what he wants us to hear. Unfortunately for him (and fortunately for us) more than 50% of the country has caught on and doesn't like it.
rvrsrus 5 months ago
If Obama's lips are moving, he's lying.
joekiddone 5 months ago
I think he meant you dont raise taxes in a election
GooberTheUncouth 5 months ago
isn't this interview also taking place in one of those now-bankrupt businesses that got his "stimulus" money?
b3fiend 5 months ago
Obozo, the Empty Suit in Chief. In so far over his head...
jjfelock 5 months ago
funny how everyone thinks the president can flip a switch and shit gets done when in reality he really doesnt have much power at all....for those being racial what do you have to say about Bush..point being the PEOPLE suchas congress and the president are full of it..no one in the government is looking out for this country...2012 will be no different...the people will elect a new president and nothing will change
somuchsol02 5 months ago
we aren't IN a recession now
coonbugcm 5 months ago
He was against it before he was for it.
Can this guy peddle and more bullsh*t and think anyone with 1/2 of a thinking brain believes him anymore?
Obama, joining the ranks of his unemployed in 2012!
09daytona 5 months ago
It has been very clear from Obama's first days in office that he is in over his head. Contradictory statements of his on YouTube are all over the place and easy to find. If you've followed this closely, you would know that he is an embarrassment for himself as well as the nation.
His most recent screw-up, and the one they are trying to cover up, is the $535,000,000.00 taxpayer investment into a "green company" that Obama was hot on by the name of Solyndra. The taxpayers get hosed again.
DwightSimpson 5 months ago
He has no idea what's going on, so he just makes up stuff like I used to do in 8th grade while bs'ing on a term paper.
"the period, well, it was a period of conflict, because this side had this view, and the other side didn't like that view, so they had a war, and it was bloody, and..."
HollywoodWags 5 months ago 2
ouch
esj8341 5 months ago
he pronounces his S's like a fagola.
ddarkshark 5 months ago
Does anyone still believe anything Obama says (or has said) anymore?
nickj116 5 months ago
Dang this video pwns the current Obama
Kimjongil3000 5 months ago
If I was a Dumocrat, I would be really POed about this guy. Democrats are soon to go the way of the Whig Party.
nulife022 5 months ago
At the time he said this, Obama wasn't smart enough to know that the economy was going to go backwards during his entire term! He is messed up again!!!
looneytoonsindville 5 months ago
At the time he said this, Obama wasn't smart enough to know that the economy was going to go backwards during his entire term! He is skrewed!!!
looneytoonsindville 5 months ago
Specifics?
Sirscorps 5 months ago
This guy is the worst lying hypocrite and most destructive President in History
siberiamoscow 5 months ago
@siberiamoscow
....seriously??? and do you have any factual basis for that statement or is that just what fox news told you to think? (because if they didn't discourage viewers from supporting him or a liberal viewpoint, he could raise taxes on the corporation that owns them, and therefore on the executives who own them)
clynch523 5 months ago
@clynch523 Unprecedented deficit spending with massive payoffs and corruption. Promised green jobs, total waste , forced Obamacare down the people's throat WITHOUT knowing what it did, rates have risen faster after it than before, the opposite of his promise, loss of AAA credit rating, much worse unemployment than when he took office, Summer of recovery never happened. Arming Al Qaeda in Libya, destabilized Egypt, and on and on. Recession deepening. Failed to get Olympics. A pompous failure.
siberiamoscow 5 months ago
@siberiamoscow Correct on all counts. If we gather around the White House by the thousands will he resign, or sick the Black Panthers on us?
Boetica1960 5 months ago
Don't forget the puppeteer, George Soros, who is pulling Obama's strings. Mr. Soros needs to pay his share and more. And, now, Timothy Geithner, our United States Secretary of the Treasurer, can pay for his back owed taxes.
40johnalex 5 months ago
Circumstances have changed? Really? Let's see... BHO has printed more money than growth of the economy during this time... That excessive amount of printing, over and above what the economy has produced, forces perspective to APPEAR as growth. Its NOT! We are in a Recession NOW, hidden only by the printing press! It freaking MATH! We see the actual damage everyday but somehow lefties spin this economic suffering as a "recovery summer". Keynesian economics never worked, it just fails slower.
Ricksterific 5 months ago
@ztkRaptoR I understand that you are probably Republican, but I dont think you understand. Let's see if I can explain this. Two years ago, Obama made these comments. I agree. Circumstances changed, thus, as a result his position on taxation has changed. Usually rational people change their positions with changes around them and, in regards to this situation, the economy and the deficit has caused him to change his position. I think it is completely normal to change your position on taxation
mdd7562 5 months ago
@mdd7562 it's still a lie. If you say something once, then say the opposite, it's a lie.
Period.
Is it also normal to change your opinion on pork after telling Americans that you won't sign any bills with pork? (TWICE).
He's lied so many times, it's extreme.
Oh and btw, he's been raising taxes since about 2010. So it was only one yeaar.
Now let me ask you something: Was it a lie when he told us that the health care hearings would be on C-SPAN?
pseudohippie55 5 months ago
@pseudohippie55 he had internal pushback pressure from members of his own party in regards to the pork question you ask. If you understand politics, then you understand that situation. There is a lot of grey area in politics, and clearly you don't understand that. If you want to get worked up over the C-SPAN health care thing. That is out of his control. I am actually Republican, i dont agree with everything Obama has done that's for sure, but you have to understand the political landscape.
mdd7562 5 months ago
@mdd7562 Actually, C-SPAN was at the meetings and he denied them access. So that is a lie.
And if he had "pressure", why was he so eager to back down? He PROMISED to not pass any bills with pork and broke that promise. It's a lie.
I understand the political landscape. Everything this idiot does is for votes.
The support of illegal immigration, the ban and don't ask don't tell. All for votes.
pseudohippie55 5 months ago
@pseudohippie55 umm.. a lie is a deliberate intent to deceive. Do you honestly think that was his intention? I think all politicians lie to get votes, that is very obvious if you have ever watched debates and then compared track records. But i also think that promising something and then realizing it is not the best option is something different. I respect your opinion, just don't hold on so tight.
mdd7562 5 months ago
@mdd7562 I don't hold on tightly. I look at the evidence, and it shows this man is a compulsive liar.
I personally think this man is the worst President I've had the displeasure of living under. He's weak. I understand he was pressured, but if he were a true President who cared about Americans, we would not have caved in and made a liar of himself again and again. He should have stood up for himself and stopped the pork. But he didn't.
pseudohippie55 5 months ago 2
@mdd7562 So it's not a lie if you're bullied by peer pressure? Please. That's the lamest excuse I've ever heard.
Wake up. This man is a complete liar. I don't care if people pressured him. Everyone gets pressured by others, but do you know why he caved in? FOR VOTES. So he would have support and so he wouldn't look bad in his own party. He cares more about his votes than ANYTHING else.
pseudohippie55 5 months ago
@pseudohippie55 I don't know how much formal education you have had, but you are literally proving my point that it was not a "lie". You wouldn't make a good lawyer. By the way, I did say I am republican.
mdd7562 5 months ago
@mdd7562 You support him for backing down to pressure, That's not a good quality for him to have. If the Taliban pressure to bomb us, will he give in to that too?
pseudohippie55 5 months ago
@pseudohippie55 Don't waste your time on the idiots, they'll never listen no matter how many facts you present them, try to focus on those that seem like they have at least more than 5 brain cells lol
Ninety9Soulz 5 months ago
@pseudohippie55 It's not as simple as you seem to think it is. Which is unfortunate for you.
mdd7562 5 months ago
@mdd7562 You say you're Republican...ok maybe you are. I support a few things he's done, but I still think he's over all been a bad President. His spending makes Bush's outrageous spending seem normal. His track record is full of lies and mistakes. Most of his predictions and those of his admin have been wrong.
He had multiple back room deals. In fact, he bribed (w/ our tax money) many companies to "agree" with his health care bill.
pseudohippie55 5 months ago 2
Only if I could write what I would really like to write....without someone kicking my door in.......god bless America!!!
Ketabiscuit 5 months ago
@Ketabiscuit Write it. No one's getting their doors kicked in. That's black helicopter, right wing paranoia.
rtcastleberry 5 months ago
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cheewiee 5 months ago
After the recession is over?
He even says it twice: After the recession is over! Does he have a clock or calender that tells him exactly when it will be over? Let me know , cuz I am sucking hind tit and I want to know when it is my turn move up!
Once again we see the inexperience and just plain stupidity of this admin.
RUMad3 5 months ago 6
After the recession is over?
He even says it twice: After the recession is over! Does he have a clock or calender that tells him exactly when it will be over? Let me know , cuz I am sucking hind tit and I want to know when it is my turn move up!
Once again we see the inexperience and just plain stupidity of this admin.
RUMad3 5 months ago
What an incompetent of the highest order.
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usaeagle1776 5 months ago
Disappointing - it was such a great opportunity to be an Historic Presidency - huge numbers voting for and supporting him, challenges to overcome as a Nation... and pooooofffff, a dud!
catexan 5 months ago
You don't need to raise taxes if you eliminate the loopholes that let politicians friends and donors off the hook..
luxomni 5 months ago
Eat the rich!
richard2653 5 months ago
Obama will bring about the Marxist revolution we have been begging for!!!
okrabay 5 months ago
@okrabay LOL
usaeagle1776 5 months ago
I'd say we've got to crack down on the Union jobs, cut their pay and pensions before anything else. There is no way to compete against a $40 dollars or more an hour salary. We need every state to become "Free To Work"
Vote for Ron Paul :D
grapevinelane 5 months ago
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grapevinelane 5 months ago
it's not a lie. it's a change in opinion based on new information.
mdd7562 5 months ago
@mdd7562 He has been a bad president since his first day in office. He is a compulsive liar. He goes the way the wind is blowing. Don't trick yourself thinking that he is doing what is best for the country. Look at the comments and the new, besides the mainstream media, and you see the tide is rising and changing. Please Wake Up!
thaxtonkevin1 5 months ago 23
@thaxtonkevin1 that has nothing to do with my comment or this video. just because someone says something, and then believes something else is a better idea 2 years later doesn't mean he is a liar. My comment was in regards to this specific situation, and this specific video. You are talking on a larger level, and i was talking about this video.
mdd7562 5 months ago
@mdd7562 it's still a lie, you idiot. He told us you don't raise taxes in a recession. It's a lie. He changed his pinion, but it's still a lie. Period.
I'm willing to bet if Bush did this, you'd ask for us to murder him.
pseudohippie55 5 months ago
@pseudohippie55 idiot? That's funny and immature. Changing an opinion is not a lie, you should look up the definition. Regardless of that, I think it is completely rational to change your opinion on taxation depending on the status of the economy and the nation in general.
mdd7562 5 months ago
@mdd7562 Yes it is. If you change your opinion after promising something, you're still lying. No matter what.
This man is a con man. He'll do anything to het votes. Look at GE. They paid 0 taxes, yet got away with it. All the CEOs of that company sure as hell will vote for Barry in 2012. Yaaay! More votes.
pseudohippie55 5 months ago
Speaking at a 1995 campaign fund raiser in Houston, Bill Clinton said: "Probably there are people in this room still mad at me at that budget because you think I raised your taxes too much. It might surprise you to know that I think I raised them too much, too." Yesterday, on a news show, Bill Clinton said Republicans should compromise and let Obama raise taxes to the level he had them in the 90's. Goes to show democrats are void of principles and not to be trusted.
tracygalvin 5 months ago 3
scumbag
Armando7654 5 months ago
Loser!
saleasylum 5 months ago
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Liar, liar, liar....
JeddMcHead 5 months ago
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The TSUNAMI coming in 2012 will make the 2010 elections seem like a bump in the road. Thank you Obama for destroying the Democrat party once and for all, something Republicans couldn't do in 160 years, you accomplished in 2 1/2...
jimistreets1 5 months ago
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The TSUNAMI coming in 2012 will make the 2010 elections seem like a bump in the road. Thank you Obama for destroying the Democrat party once and for all, something Republicans couldn't do in 160 years, you accomplished in 2 1/2!!
jimistreets1 5 months ago
The TSUNAMI coming in 2012 will make the 2010 elections seem like a bump in the road. Thank you Obama for destroying the Democrat party once and for all, something Republicans couldn't do in 160 years, you accomplished in 2 1/2!!
jimistreets1 5 months ago
The worst ever...The ABSOLUTE worst ever.... One and done...November 2012 can't come fast enough... If this man was a sworn enemy he could not have done as much damage as he has... The first anti-American president... God help us...
jimistreets1 5 months ago
Liked for the good video uploaded, wanted to dislike for lying piece of shit obama... hes just president bush in a democrat suit. another bank puppet.
lnclincoln 5 months ago
But it's fine to do it on the cusp of a double dip recession. Genius. Note that back then it was stoic economics and now it's whiny social justice "fair share" talk.
MrGweilo66 5 months ago
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The last recession ended in June 2009, so how is this question relevant in August 2009, let alone now??
JoshuaFluke 5 months ago
The last recession ended in June 2009, so how is this question relevant in August 2009, let alone now??
JoshuaFluke 5 months ago
The last recession ended in June 2009, so how is this question relevant in August 2009, let alone now??
JoshuaFluke 5 months ago
This fuckin guy is just a worthless piece of lying shit!!
loveflyin 5 months ago
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google ron paul.. doesn't matter if you are a democrat or not. There are MANY Democrats that are for ron paul. He is the ONLY one for 2012
sixtysevenflh 5 months ago
Because the recession has been winding down and the recovery is starting.... SIMPLE
whinenonna 5 months ago
When the gap (try canyon) between rich and middle class is widening by the day, raising taxes on the rich should be a no-brainer. Only the party of the wealthy patron--the GOP, would ever truckle enough to call it class warfare, without bothering to think that warfare is what is being waged on the middle class and poor by their policies.
rtcastleberry 5 months ago
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joekiddone 5 months ago
Let's compare quotes...
Obama: "Over the last six months, we've had a string of bad luck."
Obama: "If you love me, you gotta help me pass this bill." Pulease!
vs.
President Reagan: "You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We'll preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we'll sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness."
Any questions?!?
PS- To vote for Obama in 2012 is "to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness." Case closed.
joekiddone 5 months ago 3
When the person occupying the Oval Office:
1. Practices his Politics of Envy
2. Continuously stirs a pot of Hate
3. Refers to the seasoned citizens of the Tea Party as “hostage-takers”
4. Orders supporters to “punish our enemies” (fellow Americans!)
5. AND says the police “acted stupidly” . . . . . . that’s when complete and utter disregard for civility and Rule of Law pose a threat to the Republic.
joekiddone 5 months ago 2
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Could this become a future category on Jeopardy???
"I'll take Pathological Liars for $1000, Alex."
"This person -- who at one time occupied the highest office in the land -- now sits in an orange jumpsuit at Gitmo."
"Who is Obama?!?"
"Correct!"
joekiddone 5 months ago
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Back in August 2009 Obama said you should NEVER raise taxes in a recession.
Today, Monday September 19th, 2011, he unveiled a $1.5Trillion tax increase.
So either (1) The recession is over, or (2) Obama is a Liar. You make the call.
joekiddone 5 months ago
Obama is so full of sh!t it is a crying shame!!
vambo13257 5 months ago 2
it should be abundantly clear to even obamas biggest supporters that he is as clueless as he can possibly be. this guy who had zero executive experience has no idea how to run anything effeciently.
jboze3131 5 months ago
it should be abundantly clear to even obamas biggest supporters that he is as clueless as he can possibly be. this guy who had zero executive experience has no idea how to run anything effeciently.
jboze3131 5 months ago
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"Stupid is as stupid does." *brilliant philosopher*
MojaveMark 5 months ago
Every time he opens his mouth its a lie.
Don't think he doesn't know what he's doing either. The plan is to destroy America and he's doing a pretty good job.
MattTube66 5 months ago 11
i'm sending this to attack watch!!
jckoenigs69 5 months ago
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Is he Still talking.?(reading)..
gtrgyro420 5 months ago
Is he Still talking.?(reading)..
gtrgyro420 5 months ago
Is he Still talking.?(reading)..
gtrgyro420 5 months ago
If you are going to go to war you have to go all in which includes raising taxes!
TheOREGON1859 5 months ago
Grah!!
qyark 5 months ago
This fucker is either back on drugs again or has a split personality
azzh00le 5 months ago 2
You dont elect a far left hyper-partisan hyper-racist post-constitutional marxist criminal as president either....
I guess folks forgot about what happened under Carter, this awful failed president should be a good enough lesson to never elect another leftist socialist dud for at least 80 years, not just the 40 between carter and Chairman Maobama.
Man, this guy is just horrible.
devnulzzz 5 months ago 4
Obama sucks...That will be all.
MrSuperJuden 5 months ago 4
It's called "talking out both sides of your mouth." Ovomit, the liar and the fraud!
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mrhappy69x 5 months ago
Why does he want to raise them now? Because he's trying to get re-elected, and his base is telling him to fuck over everyone and anyone with money. This is known as class warfare and this man has a PhD in it. Punish the "wealthy", whatever that is. Prime grade socialism bordering on 1980s Soviet Union thuggery. Here's your hope and change, America.
corona67 5 months ago 4
Why does he want to raise them now? Because he's trying to get re-elected, and his base is telling him to fuck over everyone and anyone with money. This is known as class warfare and this man has a PhD in it. Punish the "wealthy", whatever that is. Prime grade socialism bordering on 1980s Soviet Union thuggery. Here's your hope and change, America.
corona67 5 months ago 2
People, pay attention to what taxes he's raising. As it stands, it's much more profitable for a millionaire to invest their money in funds, etc and let it grow without doing any work or creating any jobs. An increase in capital gains tax will remove the incentive to let money sit and instead put it into business development because the ROI will be better than earning interest. This means job creation. The rich wont pay these capital gains because they'll move their money into business = good
springsling15 5 months ago
@springsling15 if you think investment into a company doesn't create jobs, then you have no clue how a business works. I can tell you don't have money, because, people with money don't "Let It Sit". Do yourself a favor, and read "Rich Dad, Poor Dad". You may then get a basic understanding of how money works, or how to make money work for you. I'd then suggest reading "The Intelligent Investor" and watch "Money As Debt". Also, read "Dollar Crisis" for the fun of it. Maybe you'll understand.
EclipseAgent 5 months ago 2
@EclipseAgent LOL An intelligent investor can make a minimum of 12% on their investments without lifting a finger or creating a single job. Let me ask you, if you could give someone else a million dollars and make $100,000 on it annually at a 15% tax rate without lifting a finger OR you could build a business (direct job creation) for the same $ & not recoup your investment for 5-10 years let alone turn a profit, which would you choose to do? Don't belittle someone you don't know.
springsling15 5 months ago
@springsling15 are you telling me that if you invested 1M into a company, that wouldn't create jobs? You sir are quite mistaken.
EclipseAgent 5 months ago
@EclipseAgent I'm suggesting that the evidence shows it hasn't! There's trillions of dollars invested in big business but where are the jobs?? Where are they?? Why aren't record profits creating more jobs rather than being paid out as dividends? I am a small business owner and a Republican, I despise the income tax and sales taxes. There's only 1 source of revenue in the world that only serves to make the rich richer without working and that is capital gains on investments.
springsling15 5 months ago
@springsling15 Are you that delirious? Look how many jobs Apple has in the United States. Look how many jobs are created by Small Businesses receiving funds from Venture Capitalists (Investors). There are MANY. Jobs aren't being created because of the current uncertainty and direction of our political leadership. It's been clearly said and reported by big company CEO's as a key reason to WHY they have more cash on hand then previously. As a small business owner, where do you get your capital?
EclipseAgent 5 months ago
@EclipseAgent Dude, venture capitalists take control of companies and are entitled to a specific share of the profits because *they work and own the business.* That's NOT the same as being a stock holder. It's not mandatory for companies to pay out dividends to their investors nor do they have an obligation to pay back any losses. I get my capital from my sales and operate debt free son! I know CEO's personally and they're pumping you full of shit to keep using your money for personal gain.
springsling15 5 months ago
@springsling15 It depends on the investment strategy. There are venture capitalists that invest and take a share of the company. There are also venture capitalists that will invest for a return at XX% and on XX date (or when next round of funding is done). This is similar to how angel investors will work. As for what I pay in taxes. I'm structured pretty well, and PAY a CPA to do that work for me. If I had more money, I'd have more to invest and more property managers to pay (thus creating jobs
EclipseAgent 5 months ago
@springsling15 It depends on the investment strategy. There are venture capitalists that invest and take a share of the company. There are also venture capitalists that will invest for a return at XX% and on XX date (or when next round of funding is done). This is similar to how angel investors will work. As for what I pay in taxes. I'm structured pretty well, and PAY a CPA to do that work for me. If I had more money, I'd have more to invest and more property managers to pay (thus creating jobs
EclipseAgent 5 months ago 2
@EclipseAgent Btw, for every million spent in franchising, 40 long lasting American jobs are demonstrably created in the private sector. For every million invested into Apple, manufacturing jobs in foreign nations are created and shareholders get a piece of the billions in profit. Wonderful. Which is better for the most amount of Americans? Tax the capital gains so millionaires invest in homegrown business development.
springsling15 5 months ago
@springsling15 Manufacturing is done out of the country, but how about the sales positions? How about R&D? How about customer support? How about all those jobs? Apple does much more than just manufacture. You realize that right?
EclipseAgent 5 months ago
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@springsling15 Manufacturing is done out of the country, but how about the sales positions? How about R&D? How about customer support? How about all those jobs? Apple does much more than just manufacture. You realize that right?
EclipseAgent 5 months ago
@springsling15 Laughable. Capital gains which are taxed at lower rates than ordinary income ENCOURAGE you to invest in businesses rather than sit back and just earn interest income with it. 15% is lower than 33%. You get more of what you reward, less of what you punish. How do you think "the rich" get money out of their businesses? CAPITAL GAINS and DIVIDENDS.
brucec43 5 months ago
@brucec43 You're right, you get what more of what you reward. We've rewarded capital gains and gotten 15% real unemployment. Don't be fooled Bruce! Capital gains and dividends do not create jobs, they just circulate money back into the wealthy pockets. If there's less incentive to invest in existing companies, there's more incentive to invest cash in new companies which is the key to the future of our job creating ability.
springsling15 5 months ago
@springsling15 It's not the payout of the capital gains that creates jobs, it's the influx of the money that allows companies to use the capital to expand, thus creating jobs. Have you done anything in business by yourself? How about investing?
EclipseAgent 5 months ago
@brucec43 You're right, you get what more of what you reward. We've rewarded capital gains and gotten 15% real unemployment. Don't be fooled Bruce! Capital gains and dividends do not create jobs, they just circulate money back into the wealthy pockets. If there's less incentive to invest in existing companies, there's more incentive to invest cash in new companies which is the key to the future of our job creating ability.
springsling15 5 months ago
@brucec43 Ah yes.. because being taxed on your money twice is the best way to do it right? First tax the monies 33%, which someone then reinvests elsewhere, and then gets taxed again on anything they make.
Also, DIVIDENDS are taxed differently then capital gains, you should check it up.
You sound like the typical liberal that has no sense.
EclipseAgent 5 months ago 2
@EclipseAgent
1. I was supporting the "conservative position" of lower taxes.
2. The other commenter saying that we should tax more to force people to invest in business was laughable, not the idea of lower taxes.
3. I know dividends are taxed at a different rate from capital gains. Currently it's 0-15% depending on your ordinary income tax rate
4. Lower taxes on Div and Capital gains would encourage business investment.
Perhaps you misread something?
brucec43 4 months ago
@EclipseAgent
1. I was supporting the "conservative position" of lower taxes.
2. The other commenter saying that we should tax more to force people to invest in business was laughable, not the idea of lower taxes.
3. I know dividends are taxed at a different rate from capital gains. Currently it's 0-15% depending on your ordinary income tax rate
4. Lower taxes on Div and Capital gains would encourage business investment. I'm in the 33% bracket.
Perhaps you misread something?
brucec43 4 months ago
@springsling15 Right, because only by taking away the profit for investing in businesses can we make the economy work; by taking out all the investment. Once those investors stop giving their money to companies to use, and the companies have less money; then we'll really do well.
because money is the problem and no money is the solution... so give me all your money now; to avoid the evil.
That was about the level of "logic" you used, right? When can I expect your check with that evil money?
gekkobear 5 months ago
@gekkobear Agreed.. he's delirious and doesn't understand that investment is used as capital in the firms that receive. Which is then turned into jobs to complete work and then paid back to the said investor.
I'm sure he thinks Venture Capitalists should get 0% returns too. Because, they are just investing, right?
EclipseAgent 5 months ago
@EclipseAgent I'm not delirious. I'm vested in corporate bonds, gold, silver, etc. and I'm a small business owner. Btw, I probably pay less in taxes than you. I fully understand what investments do for a company. I lobby for an organization that creates American jobs daily. I despise income, sales, and corporate taxes as they shrink demand and punish hard working people. I suggest however, that you've bought into a pile o'poop designed to fleece the middle class and pay the super wealthy.
springsling15 5 months ago
@springsling15 @springsling15 I also have Corp bonds (again, this is investing in a company, giving them capital to grown), gold, silver, palladium, wheat (and the list can go on). I'm also an investor of companies via preferred and common stock. Lastly I've previously sold small up start companies, that I bring up and sell off once the base is built. I'm now into REI. I do agree that I despise income, and corporate tax, but wouldn't mind a flat sales. I'm neither a Republican or Democrat :).
EclipseAgent 5 months ago
@EclipseAgent See, you and I both know, that the way to get truly rich is through making your money work for you. We both know that!! We're getting rich off that knowledge right now. Here's the thing I have a problem with, we tax people's incomes and profits to hell but we don't really touch investment income. That, imho, is what is creating such a huge gap between the wealthy and the middle class. I think if the opposite were true, there would be a hell of a lot more jobs.
springsling15 5 months ago
@springsling15 Yes, we both know that you get financially wealthy by letting your money work for you. I'm in my 20's and have some growing to do in that aspect, but I have my goals, and am ahead of them. Income from investments can also be considered income, yet you don't like taxing income, but would tax investment income? Too many that rely on the system don't pay into the system and THAT is an issue. Also, the gap between wealthy and middle class is because of the lack of monetary knowledge.
EclipseAgent 5 months ago
@springsling15 Yes, we both know that you get financially wealthy by letting your money work for you. I'm in my 20's and have some growing to do in that aspect, but I have my goals, and am ahead of them. Income from investments can also be considered income, yet you don't like taxing income, but would tax investment income? Too many that rely on the system don't pay into the system and THAT is an issue. Also, the gap between wealthy and middle class is because of the lack of monetary knowledge.
EclipseAgent 5 months ago
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@springsling15 Yes, we both know that you get financially wealthy by letting your money work for you. I'm in my 20's and have some growing to do in that aspect, but I have my goals, and am ahead of them. Income from investments can also be considered income, yet you don't like taxing income, but would tax investment income? Too many that rely on the system don't pay into the system and THAT is an issue. Also, the gap between wealthy and middle class is because of the lack of monetary knowledge.
EclipseAgent 5 months ago
@gekkobear Hey, it's not about taking money from investors, it's about making current investments less attractive. Investors are savvy and they're going to put their money where they yield the greatest return. Taxation plays a huge role in which investments yield the greatest return! Now, do we want investors putting money into companies with record profits and hiring freezes? Or new companies who create jobs daily? I suggest no taxes on business profit but higher taxes on capital gains.
springsling15 5 months ago
Joe Wilson was right. Liar.
cadolfan13 5 months ago 32
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@cadolfan13 Well you know what? We have to do it now. We need to get Obama re-elected.
Oceanpacifica1968 5 months ago
President LIAR.
Christobanistan 5 months ago 4