MSNBC Chutzpah: Accusing Someone Else of Bias!!

[crazyassblinddude]

"y'all deserve bullets in the head for going against the president" there you go, liberal arguement against fox news done, i cant take anything said seriosuly from someone who says anything remotely close to this

[onvogmasaj]

i cant help laffing my ass off whenever gibson sighs. lol

[chinchilla8]

Define "rights." Is they're unconstitutional, they aren't a right for anyone. At least, not in this country, where we have the constitution.

[wolfgangfaust]

M orons

S elling

N onsense and

B ullshit to the

C omotose

[p00lman]

Selling? You mean you pay for MSNBC? Weird.

[InvestigatorDave]

You get it over the air for free?

[thegoodlocust]

I think a lot of people would be surprised at how many people are like that first caller who really think conservatives should be shot or "re-educated."

These are the types of people, like our favorite Libyan, who think Obama should be "president" for life and would kill to make that happen.

[p00lman]

How can conservatives be re-educated if they were never educated in the first place?

[thegoodlocust]

Wow, you really are a bigoted POS aren't you?

[klrdotorg]

Beware of debating with p00lman. He'll wear you out. Not with relevant arguments, but with mindless tenacity. Wait 'til he goes into his "hey pot, meet kettle" schtick - really clever stuff.

[thegoodlocust]

There certainly are a lot of OCD people on the internet. I only wish there was some easy way to identify rational people who adjust their beliefs when confronted with facts and those who "adjust" facts to fit their ideology.

[p00lman]

You don't really know what a bigot is, do you?

[thegoodlocust]

You just said that conservatives are uneducated - that sort of prejudice is obvious bigotry.

Let me put it in a way that a liberal can understand:

"How can blacks be re-educated if they were never educated in the first place?"

[p00lman]

That's not what prejudice is. Holy shit, you seriously don't know that? Are you that stupid?

And no, hating stupid people isn't prejudice or bigotry either. Learn the fucking language you're trying to use.

[thegoodlocust]

Ah so conservatives are now "stupid" as well as "uneducated" - and you still don't think you are a bigot?

lol, either you are a parody troll or klrdotorg was right - it is pointless trying to reason with someone as unreasonable as you.

Either way I'm done wasting my time with you.

Cheers.

[p00lman]

A bigot is someone who holds a bias against a group of people for their ethnicity, skin color, gender, race - things they can't control - and in addition, religion.

Conservatism ain't a religion, bunky.

[UTubekookdetector]

Even Helen Thomas took GIbbs to task for attempting to control the media moreso than Nixon.

If you're a lib and even Helen Thomas is after you, it must be getting bad!

[klrdotorg]

Good post - kookdetector! I almost forgot that one. That battle axe, I mean Helen, is really a piece of work.

[LordAtrocities]

Why does the Obama administration fear FN so much that they have to declare war upon them? Simple, Fox news isn't playing ball with the white house and won't promote the falsehoods and lies of the Obama administration or cover up and support the bat shit crazy left wing social, fascist, progressive, agenda of those in charge. In other words, the Obama administration fears the truth. They fear it like the HINI virus. They are so frightened of the truth that they must silence any who speak it.

[chinchilla8]

I liked it better when it was called the swine flu.

It goes better with the current administration. :)

[Stunr99]

This caller is a fucking idiot!

[noliberalzone]

Gibson kick ass .. we watch Fox because we are SICK OF THE LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS ON NBC MSNBC CNN CBS ABC and any others that I missed

[p00lman]

Isn't it weird that everyone except Fox has this "liberal bias"? It almost sounds like a conspiracy theory . . .

[thegoodlocust]

You mean like the "vast right wing conspiracy" the Clinton's talked about?

Anyway, you don't need a conspiracy, for a liberal bias, you just need "teachers" (those who can't do...) slanting and omitting info to promote their worldview and churn out more mindless sheep to vote like them.

[p00lman]

Ah, you're one of those people deathly afraid of public education. That's another interesting conspiracy, that EVERY teacher just so happens to promote "liberal" ideals and ways of thinking.

Well, you've found out their secret. Anyone who becomes a teacher gets plugged into the World Mind Meld, which is controlled by Barack Obama, and they go on to spout nothing but his tautologies and rhetoric.

[thegoodlocust]

Afraid? No, I'm just a realist and an astute observer.

Anyway, some teachers aren't like that at all, but many are, and colleges promote a lot of stupid shit as education that clearly is not (e.g. black studies, white studies, women studies) and is obviously propaganda.

Hell, even in history classes that tend to omit things that would shine conservatism in a good light while shining a spotlight on how evil "whitey" is - which is how you get moronic callers like that first one.

[chinchilla8]

Yup, it's called "revisionist history" and it's been wildfire in academia since the 60s. Check out Obama equating the "gay rights" agenda with that of blacks in the 60s; now THAT'S audacity!

:)

[thegoodlocust]

I didn't hear a word about the Depression of 1920 until I was 28 years old - and I got a 4 on my AP US history exam back in the day.

No, instead we learn about the "Great" Depression, and how Roosevelt saved the fucking day by slaughtering livestock to rot while people were starving - his policies EXTENDED the depression until WWII saved his ass, but in 1920 they cut spending and taxes and it was over in a year (enter the Roaring 20's).

[p00lman]

The "gay rights agenda"? Why is it an "agenda" and not, you know, a movement to demand that all Americans are treated equally?

[haypenny]

I am strait. I am not allowed to marry a member of the same sex, or a person who is underage, or related by blood. The same goes for gay folks.The fact that gays do not wish to marry the opposite sex, is their own special circumstance, and therefore it is up to them to make alternate arrangements rather than demanding to alter the meaning of marriage for all, to suit their own definition. As for the 'agenda' - it's up to parents, no one else, to instruct their children how they see fit.

[p00lman]

You're a strait? Well, which strait are you? Are you the Bering Strait? Or are you just a bigoted and uneducated fuck who can't even spell?

[haypenny]

p00l - you're a knee-jerker, and really need to study up on these issues rather than reducing every opposing opinion to 'hate' or 'bigotry'. That only serves to impede real debate. And -- 'Strait' is the slang spelling of straight; sort of like, lite / light.

[p00lman]

LOL, you're the first person who's ever tried to hide a typo by claiming it's intentionally new slang. That's hilarious.

It's clear you don't respect gay rights and consider it an "agenda." How is that not bigotry?

[haypenny]

I didn't name it an 'agenda' - that's why it was in quotes; I was responding to your post, remember? And no, I didn't invent the 'strait' spelling dear, it's just another much used shortcut. Your arguments are tired and cliche. You 1.miss the point, then 2.label it 'bigoted', then 3. provide an oversimplified rebuke, and 4.cast aspersions on some petty grammar or spelling error or perceived error. Yawn. Goodnight p00l.

[p00lman]

Don't worry, I've got all the evidence i need of your bigotry.

1. You think the word "marriage" is more important than the equality and happiness of millions of Americans.

2. You value words so much that you don't even know how to spell them.

What a riot! Why are bigots so afraid to admit their phobias? Why can't you just admit that you're intolerant of homosexuality?

[PatricksTime]

because gays have no rights!

[p00lman]

Well, I'm glad you've outed yourself as a bigot.

Now go educate yourself.

[PatricksTime]

just stating a fact...how is that being a bigot? until president obama makes changes...gays don't have rights!

i don't think obama is for gay marriage but who knows what obama is for?

[p00lman]

It's bigoted because gays have many rights - you don't see them being arrested for owning property or going to school, do you? The most significant one they don't have is the right to marry, and that will change soon.

[PatricksTime]

stop wasting my time guk!

how is that for a bigot?

[p00lman]

It's pretty good evidence of your bigotry, except I'm white.

[PatricksTime]

well than your white-trash, redneck, trailer park trash!

do i know you?

[p00lman]

Upper-middle class, actually.

Is there a point to this childishness?

[PatricksTime]

thousand bucks goes a long way in Korea!

[PatricksTime]

go clean a pool

[p00lman]

Go find some gay friends.

[KingDingaLing090]

Dumb nigger.

[PatricksTime]

no...i don't know any queers

[p00lman]

I think you need some gay friends. Some very close gay friends.

[p00lman]

And if you think gay people getting married would somehow in anyway infringe on your own marriage or your right to marry, buddy, you're fucked up beyond all repair.

[haypenny]

That's not what I said, p00lman. I am for Civil Partnerships on a State by State basis. As long as Clergy and non-public servants may freely opt out, without fear of penalty, no problem. But redefining Marriage is another matter.

"If gay people want to get married, or get together, they should have a civil partnership. The word 'marriage', puts people off. You get the same rights in a civil partnership. Heterosexual people get married. We can have civil partnerships." -ELTON JOHN

[p00lman]

You're hilarious. Let's imagine your worst case scenario happens and marriage is "redefined." In that case . . . um, what exactly changes? Nothing!

[haypenny]

Like I said, you need to study. Marriage rates among gays & straits have plummeted in countries that have re-defined it; [Sweden, England, Canada]. And have lower birthrates. That leads to a smaller indigenous workforce, which then leads to importing foreign populace to improve it's workforce, causing inter-community tensions. If u want more evidence of a community in ruins due to de-valuing marriage - take a look at poor black communities that have dispensed with marriage almost entirely.

[p00lman]

Tone down that racism, son.

Why is it wrong for colleges to teach classes with specific goals and perspectives? They're not saying one is better than the other. They're presenting options.

That's why you can study British history, French history, Russian history - to learn to appreciate other countries and cultures than just the US.

Because guess what: they exist.

[Kabukihomewood]

try watching the documentary on youtube, Indoctrinate U it's on in eleven parts. Then talk about university bias.

[p00lman]

I'll try it out, but why do you assume I will immediately change my mind?

[Kabukihomewood]

because it will expose that yes, there is incredible bias in top universities, and it is all against conservative opinion. Hopefully, you agree that the behavior exhibited by the school officials recorded in the film is just ridiculous, unfair, and should not be tolerated!

[p00lman]

Er, do you believe this "university bias" is "against conservative opinion," or just that it espouses individual points that conservatives oppose?

[Kabukihomewood]

I mean that they actively shut down conservative opinion on their campus. Just watch the documentary, eh?

[p00lman]

I started it, but I can't spare the time to sit through all of it. Can you give me an example or two?

[thegoodlocust]

lol, racism?

Black/white studies are racist - and those are being taught in college, and are often made available to fulfill "diversity" requirements for graduation.

Teaching different "perspectives" isn't an education and is certainly not the goal of things like black studies. Those types of courses are about indoctrination or improving a specific groups "self-esteem" - that is not education in any meaningful sense.

[p00lman]

Um, you do know that Africa is a real continent, and it's filled with black people. Why should it be wrong, or racist, to study societies that actually exist?

[thegoodlocust]

Black studies is about hating whitey and White studies is about hating whitey.

I suggest you educate yourself about what that sort of coursework is really about - divisiveness and propaganda.

If you want to continue claiming that it is just about "studying Africa" then this conservation is over - I can't enlighten a person who chooses to remain ignorant.

[p00lman]

It sounds like you have a lot of self-loathing.

Considering America was built on slavery, and considering that white people enslaved black people, this is a relevant topic of American history to study.

If you take personal offense at the crimes of your white ancestors, maybe you should do something to make up for them.

[chinchilla8]

No, not EVERY teacher pushes a liberal agenda. But the ones who don't also don't join unions, making them obsolete quickly.

[p00lman]

Yeah, why would anyone want to ensure job security?

[TheLiberalssuckdick]

larry o'donnell is a douche.

This guy did a hit job on Peter Schiff

/watch?v=oZ3tCeBaNik

[klrdotorg]

Saw that. Embarrassing. If either MSNBC or O'donnell had any shame, they'd make a public apology.

[Raisenkane]

I've tried watching the other news channels, what a joke. Even if Fox leans toward conservatives, they at least give both sides of the argument. I can't stand Chris(I've got a chill up my leg for Obama) Mathews and Kieth Overbite. I wouldn't bother watching news if they were my only choices.

[p00lman]

And what's the second side Fox news gives?

[xxashyy]

Ah there are liberals on FOX all the time the last time i checked. Shep Smith, Gerardo Rivera, Greta Sustren, Lamont Hill, Juan Williams, Bob Bekel, Alan Colmes, Kristen Powers, i can go on and on. How many Conservatives are on CNN and MSDNC? When was the last time Olbermann or Mandow had conservative on they're show?

[p00lman]

The personalities you name are from opinion shows.

The problem is that the "news" portion of Fox News only skews to the right.

[xxashyy]

Wait the news portions are neutral. Give me one example where they slant actual news coverage? Americans newsroom and Brett Bear show is certainly not slanted. Also you get news scrolling on the bottom even on the opinion shows.

[p00lman]

Search for the user named liberviewer. He has an entire catalogue of clips from Fox News reports which distort and misrepresent facts in order to push an agenda.

And before you ask, of course liberviewer has his own agenda, but watch the videos and judge his analyses of those clips for yourself.

[xxashyy]

Why do you need me to go to "liberalviewer" to look at carefully selected and edited videos by a liberal hack to tell me how Fox is bias? Why didnt you do the research yourself? Any hack can nitpick at news clips and claim bias. Tell you what Ill go to liberal viewer if you go to the media research center website. MRC has its own agenda but watch the MSDNC and CNN videos and judge his analyses of those clips for yourself.

[p00lman]

I told you that you can judge his videos for yourself. The fact that you're prejudging means you're probably too closed-minded already.

New ideas can't hurt you, buddy, but a lack of ideas can. And will.

[xxashyy]

Dude I been on his site before and some of the clips are legitimate gripes but most of these so called Fox exposes are just him putting his own spin and commentary over straight news clips. I can do the same thing with government funded MSDNC news clips and probably expose more faulty reporting than on Fox News.

[xxashyy]

I've been on liberalviewers channel now when are you gonna go to the media research center? There you will see selected bias news reporting from CNN and MSNBC. I doubt you'll go there.

[p00lman]

Which article should I look at?

[xxashyy]

The first article about CNN and Limbaugh for starters. Just glance through the archives.

[xxashyy]

Also instead of complaining about how supposedly "biased" FOX is why don't you complain about the liberal biased tax payer funded MSDNC? At least FOX never went to the government crying for bailout money. If George Bush gave bailout money to News Corp you hypocrites would be pissing and moaning every day, week, and month about it.

[p00lman]

Who are "you hypocrites"? I'm one guy, and I'm certainly not a hypocrite.

I'm not talking about MSNBC. You posted a comment about the fairness of Fox, and I disagreed with it.

[xxashyy]

Hypocrites meaning the people who overly criticizes bias from FOX but don't slam MSNBC and CNN for bias.

[p00lman]

That's not what hypocrisy is.

Hypocrisy would be saying Fox is biased but no other media outlet is. No one is saying that.

Anyone can criticize one thing on its own merits or failings.

What you're doing is arguing that two wrongs make a right - if other news networks have biases, then no one can criticize Fox. That's a broken and pathetic argument right there.

[xxashyy]

Fox has more of a conservative flavor ill give you that. But I have heard plenty of liberals say that MSNBC is REAL NEWS but FOX isnt. Basically saying MSNBC is NOT bias but FOX is. That is Hypocrisy. Also I never said no one should criticize FOX. All im saying is the FOX to me seems more balanced than CNN and MSNBC because they actually have both sides on debating the issues. CNN and MSNBC rarely does that.

[p00lman]

But here's the problem: there is no "side" to facts. Facts are facts.

What Fox likes to do is omit certain facts and treat twist or warp others. The following video is an excellent example of such twisting: watch?v=OEF2-a6QBx8

[xxashyy]

Video doesn't work dude. Also you act as though MSNBC and CNN doesn't omit facts or twist issues? Recently CNN was caught putting quotes on air supposedly from Rush Limbaugh without fact check these quotes for accuracy. CNN even "fact checked" a comedy skit. Must have been a slow news day for CNN. MSNBC lied about supposed "racist tea partiers". I can go on.

[p00lman]

Copy and paste that after the main youtube dot-com part.

And no, I'm not acting as though anything, because I'm not talking about other networks. I'm talking about Fox. Why does that make you so uncomfortable?

[xxashyy]

Well i'm talking about MSDNC and CNN why do that make you uncomfortable? Why are you so comfortable with the fact that a news network MSNBC taking bailout money from the Obama government? Basically they're taking they're marching orders from the Obama. Also why are you so comfortable that Jeffery Immelt the CEO of MSNBC/GE is working inside the white house? This is a first that a mainstream "news' network has direct connections with the white house.

[p00lman]

No, actually, you're not. Scroll up to read the whole discussion and you'll see that you constantly try to deflect the discussion away from Fox News.

So I ask again, why does talking about Fox News make you so uncomfortable?

[xxashyy]

Well first of all the videos topic is about MSNBC Chutzpuh. About MSNBC's left wing bias. So you're the one really off topic.

[p00lman]

I hate to disappoint you with more facts, but I was replying to someone else who claimed that Fox News is balanced by presenting both sides.

You still haven't addressed my question about why discussing Fox News makes you so uncomfortable. Are you ashamed?

[xxashyy]

Whatever man. Now this so called debate is becoming a circle jerk. I told you already that Fox does present both sides. Are you blind? Didn't you see my earlier posts to you?

[p00lman]

Wow, you don't know what a circle jerk is? That's pretty funny. Go look it up and then come back here embarrassed.

So how many times are you going to reply to me?

I directed you to liberviewer's videos for EVIDENCE. You directed me to a website that posts articles you blindly agree with. Who's not doing their own thinking?

[xxashyy]

Did I say I blindly agreed with ALL of MRC's nitpicking? It's a conservative agenda site. Just like liberalviewer is a liberal agenda site. Why are you putting words in my mouth?

[p00lman]

Based on the fact you erased your comment about circle jerking, I assume you finally figured out what it means. You must be pretty embarrassed now.

[xxashyy]

No I already knew what it meant. I erased the comment because I don't want to get into personal attacks. I rather just stick with the issues at hand.

[xxashyy]

You have liberal and conservatives on Fox all the time debating the issue. That's fair and balanced no? I just gave you some of the liberal names that are on Fox in an earlier post. Michael Moore was on Hannity's show for three days. How is that not fair and balanced? Contrast that with Keith Olbermann and his twin brother Mandow. Both of these guys NEVER have real debate on there show. I believe the problem is that you need to stop worshiping liberal blogs and do your own thinking.

[turns2gold]

Amen

[xxashyy]

Olbermann is basically a coward and guttersnipe. The guy can run his mouth in his echo chamber. What it is Meltdown with Keith Olbermann? That it? He sits there and snipes at people he doesn't like with half truths and misquotes without really confronting them. But if someone goes after him he cries about it or makes a "Special comment" to soothe his bruised ego. At least O'Reilly brings on his critics for a debate. Hell Mandow occasionally has debates.

[xxashyy]

Also I had no problems talking about Fox News. Most of the conversation I had with you was about Fox News. It just when I shift to the REAL topic at hand. You know about MSNBC Chutzpah you want to talk more about Fox News. I told you my views on Fox News already. Why should I repeat myself?

[xxashyy]

MSNBC working for the white house is far more dangerous than the punditry on Fox News.

[haypenny]

I wouldn't call it chutzpah, nor balls, nor nerve. It is naught but the pre-meditated, preconceived, Orwellian propaganda of the fascist left; Further proof of their overt communist agenda. "Good Communism"??? What an ignorant asshole. That is as oxymoronic as the phrase "Good Nazism". They thought people 'deserved a bullet in the head' for dissent too. Communism is an evil, bloody cult - it's members are power hungry fascists. They're due for yet another historical spanking. Get ready Cory...

[klrdotorg]

Great post - haypenny. It always amazes me that people can't recognize what separates us from other countries - and what has made us an economic super power. Our motivation to improve our station in life, and collectively, our resistance to socialism. Unfortunately, it keeps getting chipped away a little more each generation. Equally unfortunate, each generation overlooks the historical evidence that Marxism (although helping equality for individuals) makes the collective - a lot poorer.

[haypenny]

Absolutely klrdotorg, and thanks. I think there's an ebb and flow of creeping socialism in this country. We've always fought it, sometimes more successfully than other times. But in recent years we were lulled into sleep via biased education, media and pop culture, which are the usual areas of attack - but our moral sense was numb too. Then there's the liberal attack machine, or "Racism", as the new McCarthyism. Leftists always overreach, that's an absolute.And that will be their undoing. Again.

[wolfgangfaust]

obama did the country a favor in one regard-he woke up "the right" that would have continued slumbering if mcCain had been elected. and they are overreaching right now-on stage

the ACORN will grow into a mighty tree of corruption

SEIU is next.

[haypenny]

True. But McCain is the embodiment of what helped lead to our problems with the far left as they are now. He's a wishy-washy Republican sell-out who betrays conservatives all the time. Particularly with Immigration. Although McCain is a war hero, and a smart, kind man, sadly, those bastards in Vietnam beat most of the will to fight out of the man. RINOs are a bigger problem than the Pelosi's of the world in many ways, because they're covert and weak. Just look at what Olympia Snowe is doing now.

[SkylineTime]

Gibson owned all those idiots! Good Communism? WTH???

[clash360]

Are they blameing fox news for obama winning the election?

[SaveOurSovereignty3]

good lord

[xxashyy]

LOL"doze are news" Liberals are SO stupid they cant separate the prime time opinion shows from the actual news on FOX.

[p00lman]

That's funny, neither can the hosts of the opinion shows.

[xxashyy]

MSNBC IS the arm of the white house. MSNBC's boss Jeff Immelt works inside the white house. MSNBC recently had gotten a HUGE tax payer bailout from the Obama government. There was and IS no evidence AT ALL that FOX News is the arm of the Republican party but plenty of evidence that MSDNC is a ARM of the democrat party.

[SpasticSasha]

"i like good communism" lololol

[SpasticSasha]

that Cory is not very intelligent...

[joegully]

WHAT?????

[highbury10]

Wow! Gibson does indeed take all callers rather than pre screen his callers. So it seems. It sure does make for a great entertainment tho