Happy new year to all those of Chinese descent. This is the year of the Dragon and I sincerely pray and hope that both Taiwanese Chinese and China Chinese may one day end the hostility between us. No matter what, we're both still Hans. We must each do our part to end the conflict among ourselves. I humbly ask you all to look back at our roots. How we started out and what we have become. It's truly sad how the Chinese of today have changes so much.
To end the hostilities between them ? Very easy ! The PRC just needs to recognize Taiwan as an independent nation and stop its bullying tactics against the Taiwanese. Then these 2 countries will build a meaningful relationship based on trust and mutual respect. Sounds good ?
Tell me when China won a war against any foreign power throughout her history? Don't you know most Chinese would like to forget about gunpowder is a part of their invention? Such a humiliation for the Chinese, eh? China's not going to win anything against Taiwan as the international communities won't be sitting there and doing nothing, and it's morally wrong for China to start such a war.
@TheSalmonfan More ignorance. If you look at the timeline from the mid 19th century onward, then you're right, China hasn't won a single major conflict with a major Europen power/America. But then again, has any non-european nation won a major conflict against them since the 18th century? From the period between the late Han Dynasty and mid Qing Dynasty, China was the only major power in East Asia and the only reason each dynasty fell was due to infighting amongst themselves...
Go Google search " Battle of Tsushima 1905 " & see how Japan kicked Russia's ass. You also need to know, as early as 1919 in the Paris Peace Conference, Japan, as the only color nation sitting in the world power club, had already proposed 'The Clause of Racial Equality', when the Chinese were being called Sick men of the Orient, with those 'Dog or Chinese not allowed' signs on Chinese soil.
@TheSalmonfan I don't have to because 1. the Russo-Japanese war was not a major conflict and 2. the conflict was not a unilateral Japanese victory. It's interesting that you bring up Imperialist Japan because over the course of the early 20th century, the Japanese military commited acts that were, honestly, worse than what Nazi Germany did.
Now I know you're a vomit-worth Chinese idiot, who's pretending to be a Canadian due to your racial inferiority complex. 1. It was a major conflict as TWO major Russian fleets were virtually wiped out. 2. It was an ONE-SIDED Japanese victory.
3. Japanese troops entered China in responding to Chinese provocation. We, as Asia's rising power, had the responsibility to protect China from those barbaric Western colonial masters, as well as the Soviet commie infestation.
@TheSalmonfan It was not a major conflict because of one reason - the Russians did not care at all about the land that was fought over and was not fully committed to victory. In fact, the Tsar signed a peace treaty solely because the populace was getting rowdy over the embarrassing defeat to an opponent they didn't think was strong enough to defeat them.
The Russians cared about the land they lost VERY MUNCH and they lost their entire naval force and their infantry suffered major casualties. Btw, why are you refusing to comment on your title of Sick men of the Orient ? NO worries, I'm a Japanese and I'm not jealous of you.
@TheSalmonfan China was called the Sick Man of the Orient because in the eyes of the Europeans, a once powerful country that had dominated the region has gone into decay and is carved up by European imperialists. I completely agree.
@TheSalmonfan I fail to see how. Japanese military never caught up with the West until the late 19th century and it wasn't long until Japan began its own imperialist endeavors. If by defender, you mean they tried setting up colonies in Asia before Europeans can claim them, then fine.
@TheSalmonfan How the hell does this have to do with anything? How the hell does this conversation have to do with Japan at all? You're patriotic, I get it, but hey, smartass, it's exactly nationalism that caused European imperialism, Nazi Germany, Imperialist Japan, Soviet Union, North Korea, and hey, even Communist China to appear in the first place! This is exactly why I don't give shit about nationalism!
You're the one who started to go off the topic so blame yourself for everything. Ignorance is Man's greatest sin, and you reek of it. You know what I'm talking about from the bottom of your heart.
@TheSalmonfan Nope. I was arguing how China's military history is not as terrible as you thought it was and you brought up Japan as an Asian country that fared fairly well against European powers. Not only does this have nothing to do with China or its military history, you continued to go off on a tangent and bring up new topics about Japan as I tried to correct your claims with what I know.
You're simply being ignorant ! You're saying the Chinese military was not that terrible when China was completely cut off from the rest of the world ( as that was the case during thousand yrs of Chinese history), prior to the era of Western Imperialism or the rise of the Europeans as imperial powers. Who knows the Chinese military was competent or not? During that period of time, the main task of the Chinese military was to oppress its own citizens, a task it did well indeed.
@TheSalmonfan Every region is completely cut off from the rest of the world prior to the Age of Exploration. Seeing as how China's position as the greatest political and military power in its region was relatively unchallenged by a foreign power from the mid-Han Dynasty onwards, the only fair evaluation of China's military effectiveness against foreign armies is from before that time.
@TheSalmonfan My example for the effectiveness of ancient Chinese military was its defeat of the Xiongnu, whose watered-down version (Huns) managed to sack Rome several hundred years later. Keep in mind that China's history was not without internal conflicts (Warring States, Three Kingdoms, etc.) and during those times military thought and technology can advance at rapid rates. For example, take a look at your own country's history during the Sengoku Period.
if you keep bringing up ancient Chinese military history, then young countries such as USA would have had no such history, thus your comparison makes no sense at all.
@TheSalmonfan That's a poor excuse to justify your statement. As I've said time and again, there weren't that many times that China wasn't the sole economic and military power in East Asia. Therefore, to fairly evaluate the Chinese people's capability for war against another major military power, we have to go back to the time when China wasn't the only military power in the region.
Like I said, if there was nothing to be compared with, there is no way to evaluate the real capabilities of the Chinese military in those periods aforementioned by you. They did demonstrate themselves in their 'capabilities' of oppressing the Chinese people though.
@TheSalmonfan And you're right, I am ignorant in many ways. I'm also biased in my analysis of historic events and modern life. However, when proven wrong, I will immediately change my view to match the new information I've just been given. You have yet to prove me wrong on anything.
Dumb Chinese, you just said 'Go look it up why there are anti-Japanese sentiments in people...'.
If people, like you said, have so much anti-Japanese sentiments, then why Japan is being ranked so peaceful by GPI or the BBC report?, and China so barbaric ? Are you saying people are all blind ?
@TheSalmonfan Because most people who live in Japan are Japanese and they are pretty content with their government? Because most Japanese are law-abiding citizens and Japan has an effective police force to keep violent crimes low? Because while many people resent Japan for what they did during the War in Pacific, they understand that the Japanese today are not the same people that raped and killed so many people all those years ago and most Japanese people regret what happened?
I can assure you the Japanese people today are just the same as they were 7 decades ago. If you could see Japanese are law-abiding citizens today, why would you think the Japanese soldiers were a whole bunch of animals who were good at nothing except murdering people or raping Chinese women? Although I can't deny the fact there were sporadic cases of rapes or murder committed by Japanese soldiers, I'm confident the majority of them were law-abiding human beings.
@TheSalmonfan War changes people. If you have a gun in your hand, would you be able to kill a stranger just because your government told you to? And what if your government told you to shoot a pig instead? Dehumanization of opponents makes it easier to commit atrocious acts against them. I don't claim to know the thoughts of every Japanese soldier at that time nor do I claim that they are all evil people. However, denying what had happened is just as terrible as committing those terrible acts.
What the heck are you talking about ? Are you saying you went to war or you're one of those survivors of WW2 ? That's how you got a very different views of the world comparing to the rest of us who have never gone to war ? How old are you btw ? Sounds you're older than my grandparents...
@TheSalmonfan I may not have gone to war but I have volunteered long hours in senior's homes and met quite a few veterans from the Gulf War and yes, a couple from the second world war.
I have no doubts about the authenticity of the stories told by those war veterans. However I suggest you listen to the stories from both sides. Go watch American director Clint Eastwood's "Letters from Iwo Jima". This is a Japanese story told by an Ameican. In it, you'll see Japanese soldiers, just like Americans, fought for their homeland. Nobody was right, nobody was wrong !
@TheSalmonfan That's a wrong assessment. Those leaders who believe it just to invade another country's sovereignty is in the wrong. Those soldiers who let the conditions of war corrupt their sense of morality is also in the wrong. Again, I'm not saying that Japanese soldiers are the only ones who were corrupted by war. Look at stories of rape and massacre of civilians by American GI's during Vietnam war, or how thousands of women were raped by Soviet soldiers when they took Berlin.
@TheSalmonfan Ha! I love it! See what you're doing? You're justifying forced annexation of a country. Let's see where this happened before, hm... American conquest of the West, the British in almost every single continent on Earth, Nazi Germany with Poland and Austria, the Soviet Union with its constituent states, and hey, guess what, China with Tibet. I guess you're not so different from those you hate afterall.
@TheSalmonfan So you annexed their country? That's a first, actually - when a country willingly gives up its sovereignty. From your other posts, I'm thinking you also believe that Japan was not the aggressor in the Asia-Pacific wars of the early 20th century and was actually a victim? I think you're going to have a hard time convincing even North Americans of this belief.
Yes Japan was victimized by the international hypocrites and the Chinese who were the real traitors of the Asian people. The difference between North Americans and the Chinese is: The Americans have long moved on from their war mentality, while the mainland Chinese are still living with it. Moreover, mainland Chinese are using Japan's past as a political scapegoat to cover their own asses. Filthy indeed.
@TheSalmonfan This line of belief is similar to how Neo-Nazis are justifying or downplaying the Holocaust. Again, it's going to be very very difficult to convince anyone to your point of view.
@TheSalmonfan Also, is it Japan's responsibility to annex Korea and set up the puppet state of Manchuko? How about the 3-10 million civilians systemically murdered between 1937-1945? Was it also their responsibility to set up Unit 731? I could name many many more...
It was the Koreans who asked Japan to annex their country coz they had no clue of how to turn their country around. ManchuKuo? It was not part of China anyway !
That was coz the Chinese fought a partisan warfare. Partisans are not protected by the Treaty of Geneva Convention. Unit 731 ? If you go look it up at the US National Archives Office, it would tell you that Unit 731 was a water purification lab that provided clean drinking water to the citizens of Manchukuo.
@TheSalmonfan Is that what they taught you at school? You really want to argue with me on this one? Oh boy, partisan warfare, really? I'm even talking about China alone in this, the Japanese troops were doing this kind of thing all over the Pacific! Hey, you have the world's most extensive information sharing system ever constructed in the World Wide Web. Go look up why there are anti-Japanese sentiments in people (especially the older generation) all over the Pacific.
According to GPI ( Global Peace Index ), Japan is the 3rd most peaceful country on earth. Germany ranks 15th, Vietnam 30th, your beloved China ranks 80th which means it's not a peaceful country.
Oh, you don't like GPI ? what about the BBC report which ranks Japan as the most peaceful country on earth?
@TheSalmonfan How does modern day GPI have anything to do with what Japan was like a century ago? How does GPI have anything to do with how people feel about a particular country? But hey, I was taught that a good scientific mind is an open mind. Enlighten me.
@TheSalmonfan Do you think the Mongols would have taken down the Song if they didn't have Chinese engineers and sailors working for them? Do you think the Manchus would have taken down the Ming if they didn't have hundreds of thousands of Chinese soldiers fighting for them (which, by the way consisted of the vast majority of their army)? However, the Chinese did completely annihilate the single largest nomadic confederation in history by themselves - the Xiongnu...
Neither the Manchus nor the Mongols are Chinese. The Yuan dynasty and Qing Dynasty were foreign powers that occupied China. I think it's stupid for you to keep comparing a democratic country like Canada with a commie dictatorship like China. Like I said at the beginning of this conversation, you're nothing but a vomit-worthy hypocrite. Now you've shown your true color.
@TheSalmonfan I never did say they were Chinese, especially at the time they invaded. I said they were never able to take down a Chinese dynasty without the help of the Chinese themselves. This was a point made to support my argument that the Chinese are, in fact, not militarily incompetent, as you have suggested.
@TheSalmonfan Also, I compared Canada with China because, to me, despite all their apparent differences, at its basest, both governments wanted to maintain control over their populace (but they do it with different methods). I have yet to see you convince me otherwise.
I've mistaken you as a Canadian when I was trying to convince you there was no comparison between China and Canada. I did not know you're a Chinese pretending as a Canadian. My mistake.
I think you forgot to visit my profile and see which college I graduated from prior to your attempt of fooling me. I'm an expert in identifying Chinese DNA btw.
@TheSalmonfan I never do that. I feel that's unfair and I judge them solely by what they've written. By Chinese DNA I assume you mean the Han Chinese? I too, have some genetics background, and wouldn't mind discussing with you what alleles are used to identify what ethnicity. As different drugs have different effects on people, I can see great use in this information for the development of personalized medicine. However, I fail to see how this matters in our current debate.
What I mean Chinese DNA is mainly referred to your attitude toward China, when you guys see China differently comparing to your fellow Caucasian Americans / Canadians. For example, the way you look at the Korean war or how you feel about Japan. You would spontaneously be more sympathetic toward China, even your attitude is against the interest of the majority in your country. Tell me how right I'm.
@TheSalmonfan What does this have to do with anything? I'm not even going to bother boring you with how many people I know that disagree with how you think. I do, however, have respect for one of the oldest civilizations in the world with a rich culture and a fascinating history. This respect is similarly extended to every other civilization in the world, including your own. I especially respect the Japanese people's ability to adapt to change and borrow from other models if they prove superior.
Indeed the Chinese had great culture in the past but they have destroyed most of it. Can't you see the Chinese Qin Dynasty's 'Burning the books & burying the scholars alive' and Mao ZeDong's 'Cultural Revolution' look strikingly similar? And yes Japan significantly benefited from Chinese culture. In fact the best parts of Chinese culture have been preserved by the Japanese, when the Chinese themselves have kept destroying them. How sad ?
@TheSalmonfan I'm not going to comment on how I think it's wrong to believe those 2 are similar, but I do agree that they are both human tragedies. Just because tragedies happen doesn't mean that these people are inherently inferior in some way (barbaric as you put it). I currently have great respect for the German people. Their ability to admit past mistakes and willingness to change for the better is what defines the best qualities of humanity.
Not just those two human tragedies. In fact tragedies like that have been happening throughout Chinese history. In case you don't know, Most of the apologies from the Germans have been limited to the Jews for the Holocaust. Germans did not apologize for the 'Commissar Order' that authorized German soldiers to shoot the commies up on capture in Russia, regardless of the treaty of Geneva Convention, did they?. And Japan did apologize to China after the war.
@TheSalmonfan Your entire attitude and discussion on the actions of Imperial Japan suggests that you personally don't believe Japan was in the wrong in the first place. Although, extreme nationalist groups are a lot more prevalent in Japan than in Germany. Need I bring up the enshrinement of war criminals at Yasukuni? What about attempts to change history text books? Nevertheless, I will not continue this line of debate because this discussion was never about the integrity of the Japanese ppl.
@TheSalmonfan Please stop thinking that proving that I'm a Chinese will help you in your argument. It doesn't. It changes nothing if I'm a Chinese, a Canadian, or even a Kenyan, all my arguments are based on what I know to be facts. At this point, I'm seriously doubting your claim of higher education.
That's what you've been doing. Whenever you're cornered, you talk about nonsense. Remember your stupid 'censorship is censorship' ? How idiotic ? From the bottom of your heart, you know your views on certain issues are fundamentally different from the Caucasians. I feel sorry for this racial thing comes into play but that's the naked truth you can't deny.
@TheSalmonfan How's that nonsense? I know from my heart that my views are fundamentally different from many people and apparently especially you. What does having a different view from some Caucasians have to do with anything? Are the prototypical Caucasian view of life inherently superior than other people's view of life? You do understand that Soviet Union was run by Caucasians right? As well as Nazi Germany?
@TheSalmonfan ...As well, they single-handedly (yes, because the North Koreans weren't that much help) turned back the American-led UN army back from the Yalu River before fighting to a stalemate.
@hahaha01357 In the Korean war, the Chinese commies paid nearly a million lives, while the American-led UN forces lost about 60,000. What did China achieve? A brutal commie regime named North Korea that would have made sure its own citizens being enslaved ans brainwashed by the commies. North Korea is officially an international terrorist. Btw, Canada was part of the UN forces that fought the commies in Korean war. Now I know you're a traitor of your country.
@TheSalmonfan Again, more ignorance. The total number of troops that China sent into Korea, at its highest estimates, was just over 900,000. America alone suffered some 150,000 casualties while South Korea had 4 times that many. What North Korea became afterwards is completely off-topic. I am also fully aware that Canada was part of the UN force sent into Korea and I respect the 312 men that died to fight for our country. However, the amount of shit I give about nationalism is exactly zero.
You're a stupid Wiki-educated Chinese man. China, together with North Korea, suffered over a million military deaths, while the UN side was about 60,000 deaths. Please, don't bring up Canada again. It creeps me out every time you do that.
Qing dynasty took 11 invasion attempts but ultimately conquered Taiwan on her 12th invasion attempt. Plus, numerical superiority and geographical close proximity and almost 60 years of preparation in addition to just 30 years of remarkable industrialization in addition to Chinese desire and persistence will overwhelm any high tech adversary situated 8,000 miles away. Sorry, you are the few that think Taiwan can holdout in a war against Taiwan.
Don't you know the Manchus were not Chinese? The Qing Dynasty was a period that China was under foreign occupation. Moreover, the same Qing Dynasty signed the Treaty of Shimonoseki and ceded Taiwan to Japan after China's defeat in the 1st Sino-Japanese war.
@TheSalmonfan Why do you have to bring up Japan in every reply? It has nothing to do with what Phead128 was talking about. He illustrated that persistence and superior industrial power will eventually win a war.
HA HA HA, this is your 2nd attempt to break out ! This time by the use of racism !
Smart move indeed. OH ! On a 2nd thought, it's not too smart ! I merely pointed your views on certain issues are fundamentally different from the vast majority ( which are Caucasians, right ? ) in YOUR country, not Germany or USSR. What's racist about ?
Oh ! Your country celebrates Christmas, not Chinese New Year. You call it racist also ?
@TheSalmonfan Actually, Christians call it Christmas. Non-Christians simply call it Winter Holidays. I call you racist because you seem to believe that if you manage to prove someone to be Chinese, it will serve to help you win an argument - as if being Chinese will make their arguments somehow less valid. Is that racist? I think so.
Morally wrong? Chinese civil war, it's China's internal affairs, she can do whatever the fuck she wants, even Obama says Tibet and Taiwan are a part of China. Morally wrong. What an idiot.
You're having serious problems with the English language...have you finished your ESL yet? Go find out what 'morally wrong' means before barking again.
You are a fucking dumbass idiot that is trying get attention, and fail miserably/horribly. Your anti-Chinese rant has gotten no where, nobody gives a flying fuck about you, please wither away you fool as China reemerges as the world's leading superpower. =-)
If China is going to attack, it'll become an international affair. I don't think the Taiwanese will want to be acting like sitting ducks and do nothing, and the international communities will leave the Chinese aggression unchecked. In the end China itself will end up smashed.
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I like how ppl still think China is communist. China may call itself a communist country but it has ceased to be a communist country after Deng's economic reforms. It's more accurately called a "single-party oligarchy". You can have freedom of speech, expression, religion - as long as it's not against the state. It's actually a lot of other "democratic" countries, they just don't bother hiding it as much. Trust me, if ppl want change, they will have change - no gvnt in the world can stop that.
@hahaha01357 Please do not fall for the okey dokey this Christmas Season. Search " Is Christmas Satanic or Christian poem." It will blow your mind!!! If you are Deep. are you?
@TheSalmonfan Has it been used to spread messages that subvert the state? As I said: "you can have freedom of speech, expression, religion - as long as its not against the state". It sounds harsh but every country is doing it. Some countries are just better at putting up an illusion of freedom.
YT is owned by Google, a privately held Corp. How come MOST countries on earth allow their citizens to express themselves freely ( TO SUBVERT THE STATE in your language), while China alone feels the need of blocking her citizens from having such freedom? While 1.35 billion Chinese don't have such freedom, a vomit-worthy hypocrite like you is using it to attack the same free world that's given you such freedom. Go back to China please.
@TheSalmonfan By "subverting the state" I mean it has been used to host videos that stir up dissent and turmoil in the country (tibetan activism for example). To discuss freedom: do you know that homosexuality was legal in China 7 years before it was in the US? If you really think there are no state oppression in the West, you are more naive than I thought.
NO ! You're dodging my point. Japan allows her citizens to chant 'Okinawa independence', while Texans can say the same for Texas. The same goes to Hawaiians. You can watch all of those talks over here on YT. Why doesn't China want her citizens to watch videos of Tibet independence ? And why you can watch them, while your DNA brothers can't ?
@TheSalmonfan Because China doesn't want these videos to stir up fanaticism in those Tibetans. It's called propaganda. Every country use them, just differently. I can watch them because I don't live in China and I'm not Chinese.
You are STILL dodging my point ! Let me borrow from YOUR language. Why other countries like Japan, Canada, UK, or USA can allow their citizens to watch videos that might 'stir up fanaticism' among their people, while China can not ?
@TheSalmonfan I'm not dodging anything; I've been trying to answer your question as clearly as I could. It's called propaganda. Western nations just use other ways to do it. For example, Quebec separatism has been an ongoing problem in Canada for the past several decades. What does the Canadian gvnt do about it? They give them tax breaks and protray themselves as victims in the media (especially after the terrorist bombings in the 60s and 70s by FLQ).
Yes you've been dodging my point. This last post of your did not answer my question in my previous post. So just go read my post again & answer my question.
@TheSalmonfan What is your point then? That Western nations don't care about what their citizens watch while China is insecure enough to sensor items they feel will cause their citizens to become unsatisfied with them? You do understand that censorship is a type of propaganda right? It has nothing to do with human rights. It's all about keeping those currently in power at the top.
You almost got my point this time. Let me make a minor change for your statement. The Western nations TRUST their own citizens who possess certain degree of intelligence and analytic skills.
Oh ! I disagree !
Censorship isn't always part of propaganda ( However it is in China ). In the West it's more like a method that would ensure the compliance of the law.
Let me remind you the propaganda thing in China is HIGHLY politicized, while the laws / legal systems in the West are not. That makes the censorship in China fundamentally different from its Western version. Get it ?
@TheSalmonfan Censorship is censorship, there's nothing different about it whether it's used in China or the West. No matter how it's used, it's a way to restrict the public's access to information. The West may not use censorship as much for propaganda, but they do have other methods (bringing up failings of other countries to distract their own citizens from what's going on around them for example). Different methods in different regimes.
Guess I have to agree with you. Yes censorship is censorship. Cow is cow doesn't matter it's a healthy cow or a mad cow, right?
Different methods in different regimes? In the West gov'ts are tools of the people, they work for us. We've created the states, not the other way around. In China, their citizens are being used as a bunch of useful tools of those few at top. Their rulers are the creators of the people. See the difference ?
@TheSalmonfan Also, my original point was that people in China has a lot more freedom than you might think and the gvnt only restricts their freedom once it becomes evident to them that whatever freedom they had was causing unrest. Personally, I'm more concerned about having to pay GST whenever I purchase something. (you'd know if you're a Canadian.)
I don't know much about Canada. I'm a Japanese and I received my college education in the states. As far as I know, Canada has the reputation of being one of the most peaceful, democratic countries on earth. Speaking of those separatists in your country, I bet there are no Canadian soldiers on the streets with the orders to shoot first and ask question later over there? Or surveillance cameras at every corner to watch the separatists' movement?
@TheSalmonfan Have you lived in Tibet? Do you know the differences in the quality of life before and after the commies took over? Actually during the October Crisis, Quebec was placed under a situation similar to marshal law. Yes, in the West, the official platform of the governments is that the government is made to serve the people. However, you'd find that the Chinese government also says the same thing.
@hahaha01357 I've never lived in Tibet but I know what you're trying to say. I bet you've never lived at Auswitch but you know there were gas chambers and people died over there, don't you ? Since China's invasion of Tibet in 1950, over 1.2 million Tibetans have died as a result of Chinese brutality.
@TheSalmonfan So you're implying that the situation for ethnic minorities in China is much like the situation in Nazi Germany? That's just plain ignorance. Since the communists assumed power, they abolished slavery and serfdom, built railroads, established public schools, and constructed electrical and running water facilities in major urban areas. Most of the riots that took place stemmed from land redistribution (where they took land owned by landlords and redistributed them to the poor)...
You're having problem in the English language. I'm not implying. I'm telling you that the commies are at least as bad as the Nazis, if not worse. Ethnic minorities in China? Are you on drug? Tibet is not part of China in the first place. It's an independent nation occupied by a foreign power named China, period.
@TheSalmonfan You say that Tibet is an independent nation, the Chinese say differently. Either way, it does not change the fact that ethnic Tibetans are seen as ethnic minorities in China and are treated the same as all other ethnic minorities like the ethnic Uighur, Mongol, Miao, Korean, etc.
@TheSalmonfan ...and following communist ideology, publicly humiliated those former landlords. Keep in mind that these land redistribution were implemented only in certain areas and only to certain degrees, whereas in the rest of China, no landlord was spared from this. Also, understand that China is an extremely homogeneous country, yet there are tens of millions of minorities in the country. Why? Because anyone with a droplet of non-Han blood in their ancestry would claim minority status...
Let me correct your idiotic statement. It wasn't 'publicly humiliated those landlords'. During China's early land reform, those wealthy landlords were being executed in public. Ironically, China today is once again being ruled by a new generation of wealthy landlords and capitalists. Chinese sweat shop slaves are working for $10 USD a day, producing cheap goods for Wal-Mart. Don't you think China needs another revolution?
@TheSalmonfan You're right, they were publicly executed. In fact, almost all of them were. Do I think China need another revolution? No I don't. I don't believe in Communism and Mao's attempt to revive the spirit of revolution resulted in the Cultural Revolution and it did a lot more harm to the country than it did good.
So now you're saying the commie revolution was wrong and it shouldn't have happened at all ? In case you don't know, one of the reasons the Imperial Japanese army entered China during the war was the spread of Soviet commie ideology in China. Japan simply fulfilled her responsibility to protect Asia.
@TheSalmonfan No. That main reason that Japan entered China was to conquer territory in its ambition to become a major world power. I'm not saying that the communist revolution is wrong because it never happened. There was a communist revolution in Russia, but in China, it wasn't so much a battle of ideology than the uprising of a people tired of a corrupt government. The indoctrination came later.
The Sino-Japanese war was provoked by the Chinese, period. Prior to the full-scale war between these two countries in 1937, Japanese gov't repeatedly stated that Japan wanted NO Chinese land. All Japan wanted was China's co-operation in economic development and anti-communism. NO commie revolution in China? Go read Karl Marx's Das Kapital before dishing out bullsh*ts again.
@TheSalmonfan And yet, they've force China a give up Taiwan after the first Sino-Japanese War and absorbed German colonies in Shandong after WWI. After that, they staged a coup in the Korean monarchy and then annexed the country, which led to the fragmented Korea we see now. Additionally, they invaded Manchuria and set up a puppet government there. During the WW2, they also occupied vast territory in Southeast Asia, including modern-day Philippines and Indonesia.
@TheSalmonfan See, even without the second Sino-Japanese war, Japan's imperialistic ambitions were evident. You can't tell me that basically all of Asia decided to give up their autonomy and thought they'd be better ruled by Japan? And what exactly was that provocation by the Chinese? Why did the Japanese provide military aid to various warlords in China and prevent unification by the Nationalist government (the government which was the predecessor of that in Taiwan)?
First of all, there was no such thing as autonomy in Asia at that time, as nearly all of the Asian lands had been stolen by the white colonial masters long ago. What Japan did was to return Asian lands back to the Asians during the war. From a legal point of view, a piece of stolen property couldn't be re-stolen, thus Japan did nothing wrong. In case you don't know, without Japan's support, the Chinese nationalists ( KMT ) would never be able to overthrow the Qing Dynasty.
@TheSalmonfan Give Asia back to Asians? What difference does it make to those people if they were ruled by the Americans, British, the French, than being ruled by the Japanese? From a legal point of view, a stolen piece of property is still stolen unless returned to its rightful owner. Japan is not the rightful owner of many of the lands it conquered. In case you didn't know, the Qing was not brought down by a rebellion. The last emperor abdicated when the country crumbled into a mess.
The difference is the white men enslaved their colonial subjects and used them as money printing machines, while Japanese liberated them so that they would be the citizens living on their own lands.
Don't you know Japan gave the Taiwanese the right to vote in Japanese general elections as early as 1930s ?
Tell me, which Western colonial master ever gave their slaves such rights ?
@TheSalmonfan See, I did not know that. Nevertheless, it doesn't help detract from my statement that Japan's invasion of those lands were out of imperial ambition.
@TheSalmonfan ...ethnic minorities (that includes Tibetans) get tax breaks and benefits. They need lower grades to enter top universities. The One-Child Policy? Does not apply to them. The areas they live in get preferential economic aid as well as increased autonomy from the central government. Really, regions like Tibet and Xinjiang are quite well-treated by the Chinese government.
@chinakickyourass first try to get past my gun barrel. and the united states isnt the only one how many times has russia had a satellites blow up in space. and just to let you know its double the time for killing a u.s army soldier but i pretty much doubt you can do anything becouse i know you wouldnt pay for a plane ticket to kill someone
The Communists ARE disgusting...and it IS true that Mao did practically nothing compared to what Chiang did against Japan. I hope that Taiwan can seize power from the Communists soon...
Taiwan don't stand a chance because they don't have any Western allies. They may as well just bend over to China and subject themselves to the new order of things when the time comes. Fighting China would be suicide for Taiwan.
Then in 1895 April 17, China and Japan signed the peace treaty of Shimonoseki. This followed a war over control of the Korean peninsula. Then finally in 1895 China ceded Taiwan to Japan under the Apr 17 Treaty of Shimonoseki. This followed a war over control of the Korean peninsula.
In 1643 - 73 Francois Caron was a French Huguenot refugee and became the Governor of Taiwan through the East Asian Trading Company and helped to create smoother production of Taiwanese products such as rice, sugar, indigo moderating with Chinese pirates.
In 1683, things had changed, Taiwan was claimed by China's Manchu dynasty after large-scale immigration from the Chinese mainland to the island.
i think taiwan and china are absolutely different country
chinese said " taiwan is part of china bcoz taiwan using chinese, same nationality" using same language?? that's funny.... then why don't u guys saying "japan is part of china"?? japanese also use chinese part of their language
nationality also different between chinese and taiwanese
If Taiwan belongs to China then china should also claim malaysia becoz the malaccan sultanate married a ming princess and became a vassal state to ming, claim back vietnam becoz vietnam was once a vassal state, claim back korea, claim back iran and half the f**king world which genghis khan had conquered.
@Arsealan china does not run a democratic system. Their economic system is capitalist but their government is communist. Not in the sense that all people receive rations and stuff, but freedoms like religion and free speech are oppressed. In response to your other comment on showing china "respect" perhaps you should owe america and the rest of the democratic world respect for the fact that right now, you can speak freely and even visit websites like this one. I respect your opinion though.
@goarmy979 And why exactly does everyone hates China? Lol I find it hilarious when somebody says that without adequate proof or the ability to think beyond the boundaries of consequences if China wasn't there.
Here's a tip for you in the future mate....when you say hate China as a whole, you offend it's population....if you hate the government...then say the government...do not judge everyone in a particular country solely by the actions of its government!
China can't invade Taiwan. Taiwan can defend itself by its100 miles of water, known as the Taiwan straits. A Chinese invasion would require an amphibious force larger than the Allied force which landed at Normandy in 1944. China has only 10% of the naval power needed just to attempt a difficult invasion against Taiwan, which has only three practical landing sites, all heavily fortified.
煮豆燃豆萁，豆在釜中泣。本是同根生，相煎何太急? -曹植
MrBigEnchilada 2 weeks ago
告訴你4個字:想都别想!!
bman2080808 2 weeks ago
Happy new year to all those of Chinese descent. This is the year of the Dragon and I sincerely pray and hope that both Taiwanese Chinese and China Chinese may one day end the hostility between us. No matter what, we're both still Hans. We must each do our part to end the conflict among ourselves. I humbly ask you all to look back at our roots. How we started out and what we have become. It's truly sad how the Chinese of today have changes so much.
plovakia 1 month ago
@plovakia
To end the hostilities between them ? Very easy ! The PRC just needs to recognize Taiwan as an independent nation and stop its bullying tactics against the Taiwanese. Then these 2 countries will build a meaningful relationship based on trust and mutual respect. Sounds good ?
TheSalmonfan 1 month ago
@TheSalmonfan sounds good. Whatever ends the hostility is good. An eye for and eye and the whole world is blind.
plovakia 1 month ago
作夢做太多了
ysw37 1 month ago
It might take a few times, but Taiwan will ultimately be defeated. China is pretty persistent, and persistence will win in a war of attrition.
Phead128 2 months ago
@Phead128
Tell me when China won a war against any foreign power throughout her history? Don't you know most Chinese would like to forget about gunpowder is a part of their invention? Such a humiliation for the Chinese, eh? China's not going to win anything against Taiwan as the international communities won't be sitting there and doing nothing, and it's morally wrong for China to start such a war.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan More ignorance. If you look at the timeline from the mid 19th century onward, then you're right, China hasn't won a single major conflict with a major Europen power/America. But then again, has any non-european nation won a major conflict against them since the 18th century? From the period between the late Han Dynasty and mid Qing Dynasty, China was the only major power in East Asia and the only reason each dynasty fell was due to infighting amongst themselves...
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
Go Google search " Battle of Tsushima 1905 " & see how Japan kicked Russia's ass. You also need to know, as early as 1919 in the Paris Peace Conference, Japan, as the only color nation sitting in the world power club, had already proposed 'The Clause of Racial Equality', when the Chinese were being called Sick men of the Orient, with those 'Dog or Chinese not allowed' signs on Chinese soil.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan I don't have to because 1. the Russo-Japanese war was not a major conflict and 2. the conflict was not a unilateral Japanese victory. It's interesting that you bring up Imperialist Japan because over the course of the early 20th century, the Japanese military commited acts that were, honestly, worse than what Nazi Germany did.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
Now I know you're a vomit-worth Chinese idiot, who's pretending to be a Canadian due to your racial inferiority complex. 1. It was a major conflict as TWO major Russian fleets were virtually wiped out. 2. It was an ONE-SIDED Japanese victory.
3. Japanese troops entered China in responding to Chinese provocation. We, as Asia's rising power, had the responsibility to protect China from those barbaric Western colonial masters, as well as the Soviet commie infestation.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan It was not a major conflict because of one reason - the Russians did not care at all about the land that was fought over and was not fully committed to victory. In fact, the Tsar signed a peace treaty solely because the populace was getting rowdy over the embarrassing defeat to an opponent they didn't think was strong enough to defeat them.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
The Russians cared about the land they lost VERY MUNCH and they lost their entire naval force and their infantry suffered major casualties. Btw, why are you refusing to comment on your title of Sick men of the Orient ? NO worries, I'm a Japanese and I'm not jealous of you.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan China was called the Sick Man of the Orient because in the eyes of the Europeans, a once powerful country that had dominated the region has gone into decay and is carved up by European imperialists. I completely agree.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
You failed to mention Japan was the sole defender of Asia for a long period of time.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan I fail to see how. Japanese military never caught up with the West until the late 19th century and it wasn't long until Japan began its own imperialist endeavors. If by defender, you mean they tried setting up colonies in Asia before Europeans can claim them, then fine.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
Please don't be jealous of the fact that Japan has handled war and peace equally well, while China did exactly the opposite.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan How the hell does this have to do with anything? How the hell does this conversation have to do with Japan at all? You're patriotic, I get it, but hey, smartass, it's exactly nationalism that caused European imperialism, Nazi Germany, Imperialist Japan, Soviet Union, North Korea, and hey, even Communist China to appear in the first place! This is exactly why I don't give shit about nationalism!
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
You're the one who started to go off the topic so blame yourself for everything. Ignorance is Man's greatest sin, and you reek of it. You know what I'm talking about from the bottom of your heart.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan Nope. I was arguing how China's military history is not as terrible as you thought it was and you brought up Japan as an Asian country that fared fairly well against European powers. Not only does this have nothing to do with China or its military history, you continued to go off on a tangent and bring up new topics about Japan as I tried to correct your claims with what I know.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
You're simply being ignorant ! You're saying the Chinese military was not that terrible when China was completely cut off from the rest of the world ( as that was the case during thousand yrs of Chinese history), prior to the era of Western Imperialism or the rise of the Europeans as imperial powers. Who knows the Chinese military was competent or not? During that period of time, the main task of the Chinese military was to oppress its own citizens, a task it did well indeed.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan Every region is completely cut off from the rest of the world prior to the Age of Exploration. Seeing as how China's position as the greatest political and military power in its region was relatively unchallenged by a foreign power from the mid-Han Dynasty onwards, the only fair evaluation of China's military effectiveness against foreign armies is from before that time.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan My example for the effectiveness of ancient Chinese military was its defeat of the Xiongnu, whose watered-down version (Huns) managed to sack Rome several hundred years later. Keep in mind that China's history was not without internal conflicts (Warring States, Three Kingdoms, etc.) and during those times military thought and technology can advance at rapid rates. For example, take a look at your own country's history during the Sengoku Period.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
if you keep bringing up ancient Chinese military history, then young countries such as USA would have had no such history, thus your comparison makes no sense at all.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan That's a poor excuse to justify your statement. As I've said time and again, there weren't that many times that China wasn't the sole economic and military power in East Asia. Therefore, to fairly evaluate the Chinese people's capability for war against another major military power, we have to go back to the time when China wasn't the only military power in the region.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
Like I said, if there was nothing to be compared with, there is no way to evaluate the real capabilities of the Chinese military in those periods aforementioned by you. They did demonstrate themselves in their 'capabilities' of oppressing the Chinese people though.
TheSalmonfan 1 month ago
@TheSalmonfan And you're right, I am ignorant in many ways. I'm also biased in my analysis of historic events and modern life. However, when proven wrong, I will immediately change my view to match the new information I've just been given. You have yet to prove me wrong on anything.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
Like I said, it was the Koreans who asked Japan to annex their country, they wanted us to help them and we did help them out of our kindness.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan
Dumb Chinese, you just said 'Go look it up why there are anti-Japanese sentiments in people...'.
If people, like you said, have so much anti-Japanese sentiments, then why Japan is being ranked so peaceful by GPI or the BBC report?, and China so barbaric ? Are you saying people are all blind ?
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan Because most people who live in Japan are Japanese and they are pretty content with their government? Because most Japanese are law-abiding citizens and Japan has an effective police force to keep violent crimes low? Because while many people resent Japan for what they did during the War in Pacific, they understand that the Japanese today are not the same people that raped and killed so many people all those years ago and most Japanese people regret what happened?
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
I can assure you the Japanese people today are just the same as they were 7 decades ago. If you could see Japanese are law-abiding citizens today, why would you think the Japanese soldiers were a whole bunch of animals who were good at nothing except murdering people or raping Chinese women? Although I can't deny the fact there were sporadic cases of rapes or murder committed by Japanese soldiers, I'm confident the majority of them were law-abiding human beings.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan War changes people. If you have a gun in your hand, would you be able to kill a stranger just because your government told you to? And what if your government told you to shoot a pig instead? Dehumanization of opponents makes it easier to commit atrocious acts against them. I don't claim to know the thoughts of every Japanese soldier at that time nor do I claim that they are all evil people. However, denying what had happened is just as terrible as committing those terrible acts.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
War changes people ?
What the heck are you talking about ? Are you saying you went to war or you're one of those survivors of WW2 ? That's how you got a very different views of the world comparing to the rest of us who have never gone to war ? How old are you btw ? Sounds you're older than my grandparents...
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan I may not have gone to war but I have volunteered long hours in senior's homes and met quite a few veterans from the Gulf War and yes, a couple from the second world war.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
I have no doubts about the authenticity of the stories told by those war veterans. However I suggest you listen to the stories from both sides. Go watch American director Clint Eastwood's "Letters from Iwo Jima". This is a Japanese story told by an Ameican. In it, you'll see Japanese soldiers, just like Americans, fought for their homeland. Nobody was right, nobody was wrong !
TheSalmonfan 1 month ago
@TheSalmonfan That's a wrong assessment. Those leaders who believe it just to invade another country's sovereignty is in the wrong. Those soldiers who let the conditions of war corrupt their sense of morality is also in the wrong. Again, I'm not saying that Japanese soldiers are the only ones who were corrupted by war. Look at stories of rape and massacre of civilians by American GI's during Vietnam war, or how thousands of women were raped by Soviet soldiers when they took Berlin.
hahaha01357 1 month ago
@TheSalmonfan Ha! I love it! See what you're doing? You're justifying forced annexation of a country. Let's see where this happened before, hm... American conquest of the West, the British in almost every single continent on Earth, Nazi Germany with Poland and Austria, the Soviet Union with its constituent states, and hey, guess what, China with Tibet. I guess you're not so different from those you hate afterall.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan So you annexed their country? That's a first, actually - when a country willingly gives up its sovereignty. From your other posts, I'm thinking you also believe that Japan was not the aggressor in the Asia-Pacific wars of the early 20th century and was actually a victim? I think you're going to have a hard time convincing even North Americans of this belief.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
Yes Japan was victimized by the international hypocrites and the Chinese who were the real traitors of the Asian people. The difference between North Americans and the Chinese is: The Americans have long moved on from their war mentality, while the mainland Chinese are still living with it. Moreover, mainland Chinese are using Japan's past as a political scapegoat to cover their own asses. Filthy indeed.
TheSalmonfan 1 month ago
@TheSalmonfan This line of belief is similar to how Neo-Nazis are justifying or downplaying the Holocaust. Again, it's going to be very very difficult to convince anyone to your point of view.
hahaha01357 1 month ago
@TheSalmonfan Also, is it Japan's responsibility to annex Korea and set up the puppet state of Manchuko? How about the 3-10 million civilians systemically murdered between 1937-1945? Was it also their responsibility to set up Unit 731? I could name many many more...
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
It was the Koreans who asked Japan to annex their country coz they had no clue of how to turn their country around. ManchuKuo? It was not part of China anyway !
That was coz the Chinese fought a partisan warfare. Partisans are not protected by the Treaty of Geneva Convention. Unit 731 ? If you go look it up at the US National Archives Office, it would tell you that Unit 731 was a water purification lab that provided clean drinking water to the citizens of Manchukuo.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan Is that what they taught you at school? You really want to argue with me on this one? Oh boy, partisan warfare, really? I'm even talking about China alone in this, the Japanese troops were doing this kind of thing all over the Pacific! Hey, you have the world's most extensive information sharing system ever constructed in the World Wide Web. Go look up why there are anti-Japanese sentiments in people (especially the older generation) all over the Pacific.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
Wrong again !
According to GPI ( Global Peace Index ), Japan is the 3rd most peaceful country on earth. Germany ranks 15th, Vietnam 30th, your beloved China ranks 80th which means it's not a peaceful country.
Oh, you don't like GPI ? what about the BBC report which ranks Japan as the most peaceful country on earth?
China on the other hand, is a land of barbarians.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan How does modern day GPI have anything to do with what Japan was like a century ago? How does GPI have anything to do with how people feel about a particular country? But hey, I was taught that a good scientific mind is an open mind. Enlighten me.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan Do you think the Mongols would have taken down the Song if they didn't have Chinese engineers and sailors working for them? Do you think the Manchus would have taken down the Ming if they didn't have hundreds of thousands of Chinese soldiers fighting for them (which, by the way consisted of the vast majority of their army)? However, the Chinese did completely annihilate the single largest nomadic confederation in history by themselves - the Xiongnu...
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
Neither the Manchus nor the Mongols are Chinese. The Yuan dynasty and Qing Dynasty were foreign powers that occupied China. I think it's stupid for you to keep comparing a democratic country like Canada with a commie dictatorship like China. Like I said at the beginning of this conversation, you're nothing but a vomit-worthy hypocrite. Now you've shown your true color.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan I never did say they were Chinese, especially at the time they invaded. I said they were never able to take down a Chinese dynasty without the help of the Chinese themselves. This was a point made to support my argument that the Chinese are, in fact, not militarily incompetent, as you have suggested.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan Also, I compared Canada with China because, to me, despite all their apparent differences, at its basest, both governments wanted to maintain control over their populace (but they do it with different methods). I have yet to see you convince me otherwise.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
I've mistaken you as a Canadian when I was trying to convince you there was no comparison between China and Canada. I did not know you're a Chinese pretending as a Canadian. My mistake.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan And I took you for an intelligent human being who could understand logic and form a coherent argument. My bad.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
I think you forgot to visit my profile and see which college I graduated from prior to your attempt of fooling me. I'm an expert in identifying Chinese DNA btw.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan I never do that. I feel that's unfair and I judge them solely by what they've written. By Chinese DNA I assume you mean the Han Chinese? I too, have some genetics background, and wouldn't mind discussing with you what alleles are used to identify what ethnicity. As different drugs have different effects on people, I can see great use in this information for the development of personalized medicine. However, I fail to see how this matters in our current debate.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
What I mean Chinese DNA is mainly referred to your attitude toward China, when you guys see China differently comparing to your fellow Caucasian Americans / Canadians. For example, the way you look at the Korean war or how you feel about Japan. You would spontaneously be more sympathetic toward China, even your attitude is against the interest of the majority in your country. Tell me how right I'm.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan What does this have to do with anything? I'm not even going to bother boring you with how many people I know that disagree with how you think. I do, however, have respect for one of the oldest civilizations in the world with a rich culture and a fascinating history. This respect is similarly extended to every other civilization in the world, including your own. I especially respect the Japanese people's ability to adapt to change and borrow from other models if they prove superior.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
Indeed the Chinese had great culture in the past but they have destroyed most of it. Can't you see the Chinese Qin Dynasty's 'Burning the books & burying the scholars alive' and Mao ZeDong's 'Cultural Revolution' look strikingly similar? And yes Japan significantly benefited from Chinese culture. In fact the best parts of Chinese culture have been preserved by the Japanese, when the Chinese themselves have kept destroying them. How sad ?
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan I'm not going to comment on how I think it's wrong to believe those 2 are similar, but I do agree that they are both human tragedies. Just because tragedies happen doesn't mean that these people are inherently inferior in some way (barbaric as you put it). I currently have great respect for the German people. Their ability to admit past mistakes and willingness to change for the better is what defines the best qualities of humanity.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
Not just those two human tragedies. In fact tragedies like that have been happening throughout Chinese history. In case you don't know, Most of the apologies from the Germans have been limited to the Jews for the Holocaust. Germans did not apologize for the 'Commissar Order' that authorized German soldiers to shoot the commies up on capture in Russia, regardless of the treaty of Geneva Convention, did they?. And Japan did apologize to China after the war.
TheSalmonfan 1 month ago
@TheSalmonfan Your entire attitude and discussion on the actions of Imperial Japan suggests that you personally don't believe Japan was in the wrong in the first place. Although, extreme nationalist groups are a lot more prevalent in Japan than in Germany. Need I bring up the enshrinement of war criminals at Yasukuni? What about attempts to change history text books? Nevertheless, I will not continue this line of debate because this discussion was never about the integrity of the Japanese ppl.
hahaha01357 1 month ago
@TheSalmonfan Please stop thinking that proving that I'm a Chinese will help you in your argument. It doesn't. It changes nothing if I'm a Chinese, a Canadian, or even a Kenyan, all my arguments are based on what I know to be facts. At this point, I'm seriously doubting your claim of higher education.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
That's what you've been doing. Whenever you're cornered, you talk about nonsense. Remember your stupid 'censorship is censorship' ? How idiotic ? From the bottom of your heart, you know your views on certain issues are fundamentally different from the Caucasians. I feel sorry for this racial thing comes into play but that's the naked truth you can't deny.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan How's that nonsense? I know from my heart that my views are fundamentally different from many people and apparently especially you. What does having a different view from some Caucasians have to do with anything? Are the prototypical Caucasian view of life inherently superior than other people's view of life? You do understand that Soviet Union was run by Caucasians right? As well as Nazi Germany?
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan ...As well, they single-handedly (yes, because the North Koreans weren't that much help) turned back the American-led UN army back from the Yalu River before fighting to a stalemate.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357 In the Korean war, the Chinese commies paid nearly a million lives, while the American-led UN forces lost about 60,000. What did China achieve? A brutal commie regime named North Korea that would have made sure its own citizens being enslaved ans brainwashed by the commies. North Korea is officially an international terrorist. Btw, Canada was part of the UN forces that fought the commies in Korean war. Now I know you're a traitor of your country.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan Again, more ignorance. The total number of troops that China sent into Korea, at its highest estimates, was just over 900,000. America alone suffered some 150,000 casualties while South Korea had 4 times that many. What North Korea became afterwards is completely off-topic. I am also fully aware that Canada was part of the UN force sent into Korea and I respect the 312 men that died to fight for our country. However, the amount of shit I give about nationalism is exactly zero.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
You're a stupid Wiki-educated Chinese man. China, together with North Korea, suffered over a million military deaths, while the UN side was about 60,000 deaths. Please, don't bring up Canada again. It creeps me out every time you do that.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan Give me your sources and I'll reconsider.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan
Qing dynasty took 11 invasion attempts but ultimately conquered Taiwan on her 12th invasion attempt. Plus, numerical superiority and geographical close proximity and almost 60 years of preparation in addition to just 30 years of remarkable industrialization in addition to Chinese desire and persistence will overwhelm any high tech adversary situated 8,000 miles away. Sorry, you are the few that think Taiwan can holdout in a war against Taiwan.
Phead128 2 months ago
@Phead128
Don't you know the Manchus were not Chinese? The Qing Dynasty was a period that China was under foreign occupation. Moreover, the same Qing Dynasty signed the Treaty of Shimonoseki and ceded Taiwan to Japan after China's defeat in the 1st Sino-Japanese war.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan Why do you have to bring up Japan in every reply? It has nothing to do with what Phead128 was talking about. He illustrated that persistence and superior industrial power will eventually win a war.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
Why do you comment on the conversation between @Phead128 and myself, instead of letting him prove his Chinese DNA ?
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan I'm finding more and more racism in your replies and I find it ironic that you claim to preach peace and tolerance.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
HA HA HA, this is your 2nd attempt to break out ! This time by the use of racism !
Smart move indeed. OH ! On a 2nd thought, it's not too smart ! I merely pointed your views on certain issues are fundamentally different from the vast majority ( which are Caucasians, right ? ) in YOUR country, not Germany or USSR. What's racist about ?
Oh ! Your country celebrates Christmas, not Chinese New Year. You call it racist also ?
TheSalmonfan 1 month ago
@TheSalmonfan Actually, Christians call it Christmas. Non-Christians simply call it Winter Holidays. I call you racist because you seem to believe that if you manage to prove someone to be Chinese, it will serve to help you win an argument - as if being Chinese will make their arguments somehow less valid. Is that racist? I think so.
hahaha01357 1 month ago
@TheSalmonfan
Morally wrong? Chinese civil war, it's China's internal affairs, she can do whatever the fuck she wants, even Obama says Tibet and Taiwan are a part of China. Morally wrong. What an idiot.
Phead128 2 months ago
@Phead128
You're having serious problems with the English language...have you finished your ESL yet? Go find out what 'morally wrong' means before barking again.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan
Dude, my IQ is 140 and I attend a top 15 university. I know a retard when I see one, and you a retard.
Phead128 2 months ago
@Phead128
Oh yeah ? Tell me about the main terms of The Treaty of Shimonoseki that the Qing Gov't and Japan signed then.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan What about the treaty of San Francisco then?
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
What about the Treaty of SF ? Nothing wrong with it. Did I whine anything about it ?
I never said Taiwan should go back to Japan. All I've been saying is the Taiwanese people have the right to decide their own future.
TheSalmonfan 1 month ago
@TheSalmonfan Then what was your point about the Treaty of Shimonoseki?
hahaha01357 1 month ago
@hahaha01357
The point about the Treaty of Shimonoseki was to test @Phead, as your DNA brother claimed he's so smart. Now I know he isn't.
TheSalmonfan 1 month ago
@TheSalmonfan
You are a fucking dumbass idiot that is trying get attention, and fail miserably/horribly. Your anti-Chinese rant has gotten no where, nobody gives a flying fuck about you, please wither away you fool as China reemerges as the world's leading superpower. =-)
You mad bro?
Phead128 2 months ago
@Phead128
How often you're masturbating like this in public ?
TheSalmonfan 1 month ago
If China is going to attack, it'll become an international affair. I don't think the Taiwanese will want to be acting like sitting ducks and do nothing, and the international communities will leave the Chinese aggression unchecked. In the end China itself will end up smashed.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
Wrong data and wrong armor illustrated by the Taiwanese. The best tank they owned are M60A3 whereas the clip used M1A1 icons.Just dumb.
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navy1021 4 months ago
I like how ppl still think China is communist. China may call itself a communist country but it has ceased to be a communist country after Deng's economic reforms. It's more accurately called a "single-party oligarchy". You can have freedom of speech, expression, religion - as long as it's not against the state. It's actually a lot of other "democratic" countries, they just don't bother hiding it as much. Trust me, if ppl want change, they will have change - no gvnt in the world can stop that.
hahaha01357 5 months ago
@hahaha01357 tiaman(sp?) square says no.
ajmidget94 4 months ago
@ajmidget94 Actually, tiananmen square said there wasn't enough people wanting change.
hahaha01357 4 months ago
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TheTruthUnderTheHood 3 months ago
@hahaha01357
The Chinese have freedom of .....? You're on drug for sure !
They don't even have access to YT here.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan Has it been used to spread messages that subvert the state? As I said: "you can have freedom of speech, expression, religion - as long as its not against the state". It sounds harsh but every country is doing it. Some countries are just better at putting up an illusion of freedom.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
YT is owned by Google, a privately held Corp. How come MOST countries on earth allow their citizens to express themselves freely ( TO SUBVERT THE STATE in your language), while China alone feels the need of blocking her citizens from having such freedom? While 1.35 billion Chinese don't have such freedom, a vomit-worthy hypocrite like you is using it to attack the same free world that's given you such freedom. Go back to China please.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan By "subverting the state" I mean it has been used to host videos that stir up dissent and turmoil in the country (tibetan activism for example). To discuss freedom: do you know that homosexuality was legal in China 7 years before it was in the US? If you really think there are no state oppression in the West, you are more naive than I thought.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
NO ! You're dodging my point. Japan allows her citizens to chant 'Okinawa independence', while Texans can say the same for Texas. The same goes to Hawaiians. You can watch all of those talks over here on YT. Why doesn't China want her citizens to watch videos of Tibet independence ? And why you can watch them, while your DNA brothers can't ?
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan Because China doesn't want these videos to stir up fanaticism in those Tibetans. It's called propaganda. Every country use them, just differently. I can watch them because I don't live in China and I'm not Chinese.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
You are STILL dodging my point ! Let me borrow from YOUR language. Why other countries like Japan, Canada, UK, or USA can allow their citizens to watch videos that might 'stir up fanaticism' among their people, while China can not ?
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan I'm not dodging anything; I've been trying to answer your question as clearly as I could. It's called propaganda. Western nations just use other ways to do it. For example, Quebec separatism has been an ongoing problem in Canada for the past several decades. What does the Canadian gvnt do about it? They give them tax breaks and protray themselves as victims in the media (especially after the terrorist bombings in the 60s and 70s by FLQ).
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
Yes you've been dodging my point. This last post of your did not answer my question in my previous post. So just go read my post again & answer my question.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan What is your point then? That Western nations don't care about what their citizens watch while China is insecure enough to sensor items they feel will cause their citizens to become unsatisfied with them? You do understand that censorship is a type of propaganda right? It has nothing to do with human rights. It's all about keeping those currently in power at the top.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
You almost got my point this time. Let me make a minor change for your statement. The Western nations TRUST their own citizens who possess certain degree of intelligence and analytic skills.
Oh ! I disagree !
Censorship isn't always part of propaganda ( However it is in China ). In the West it's more like a method that would ensure the compliance of the law.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
Let me remind you the propaganda thing in China is HIGHLY politicized, while the laws / legal systems in the West are not. That makes the censorship in China fundamentally different from its Western version. Get it ?
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan Censorship is censorship, there's nothing different about it whether it's used in China or the West. No matter how it's used, it's a way to restrict the public's access to information. The West may not use censorship as much for propaganda, but they do have other methods (bringing up failings of other countries to distract their own citizens from what's going on around them for example). Different methods in different regimes.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
Guess I have to agree with you. Yes censorship is censorship. Cow is cow doesn't matter it's a healthy cow or a mad cow, right?
Different methods in different regimes? In the West gov'ts are tools of the people, they work for us. We've created the states, not the other way around. In China, their citizens are being used as a bunch of useful tools of those few at top. Their rulers are the creators of the people. See the difference ?
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan Also, my original point was that people in China has a lot more freedom than you might think and the gvnt only restricts their freedom once it becomes evident to them that whatever freedom they had was causing unrest. Personally, I'm more concerned about having to pay GST whenever I purchase something. (you'd know if you're a Canadian.)
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
I don't know much about Canada. I'm a Japanese and I received my college education in the states. As far as I know, Canada has the reputation of being one of the most peaceful, democratic countries on earth. Speaking of those separatists in your country, I bet there are no Canadian soldiers on the streets with the orders to shoot first and ask question later over there? Or surveillance cameras at every corner to watch the separatists' movement?
You can find all of those in Tibet.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan Have you lived in Tibet? Do you know the differences in the quality of life before and after the commies took over? Actually during the October Crisis, Quebec was placed under a situation similar to marshal law. Yes, in the West, the official platform of the governments is that the government is made to serve the people. However, you'd find that the Chinese government also says the same thing.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357 I've never lived in Tibet but I know what you're trying to say. I bet you've never lived at Auswitch but you know there were gas chambers and people died over there, don't you ? Since China's invasion of Tibet in 1950, over 1.2 million Tibetans have died as a result of Chinese brutality.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan So you're implying that the situation for ethnic minorities in China is much like the situation in Nazi Germany? That's just plain ignorance. Since the communists assumed power, they abolished slavery and serfdom, built railroads, established public schools, and constructed electrical and running water facilities in major urban areas. Most of the riots that took place stemmed from land redistribution (where they took land owned by landlords and redistributed them to the poor)...
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
You're having problem in the English language. I'm not implying. I'm telling you that the commies are at least as bad as the Nazis, if not worse. Ethnic minorities in China? Are you on drug? Tibet is not part of China in the first place. It's an independent nation occupied by a foreign power named China, period.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan You say that Tibet is an independent nation, the Chinese say differently. Either way, it does not change the fact that ethnic Tibetans are seen as ethnic minorities in China and are treated the same as all other ethnic minorities like the ethnic Uighur, Mongol, Miao, Korean, etc.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan ...and following communist ideology, publicly humiliated those former landlords. Keep in mind that these land redistribution were implemented only in certain areas and only to certain degrees, whereas in the rest of China, no landlord was spared from this. Also, understand that China is an extremely homogeneous country, yet there are tens of millions of minorities in the country. Why? Because anyone with a droplet of non-Han blood in their ancestry would claim minority status...
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
Let me correct your idiotic statement. It wasn't 'publicly humiliated those landlords'. During China's early land reform, those wealthy landlords were being executed in public. Ironically, China today is once again being ruled by a new generation of wealthy landlords and capitalists. Chinese sweat shop slaves are working for $10 USD a day, producing cheap goods for Wal-Mart. Don't you think China needs another revolution?
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan You're right, they were publicly executed. In fact, almost all of them were. Do I think China need another revolution? No I don't. I don't believe in Communism and Mao's attempt to revive the spirit of revolution resulted in the Cultural Revolution and it did a lot more harm to the country than it did good.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
So now you're saying the commie revolution was wrong and it shouldn't have happened at all ? In case you don't know, one of the reasons the Imperial Japanese army entered China during the war was the spread of Soviet commie ideology in China. Japan simply fulfilled her responsibility to protect Asia.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan No. That main reason that Japan entered China was to conquer territory in its ambition to become a major world power. I'm not saying that the communist revolution is wrong because it never happened. There was a communist revolution in Russia, but in China, it wasn't so much a battle of ideology than the uprising of a people tired of a corrupt government. The indoctrination came later.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
The Sino-Japanese war was provoked by the Chinese, period. Prior to the full-scale war between these two countries in 1937, Japanese gov't repeatedly stated that Japan wanted NO Chinese land. All Japan wanted was China's co-operation in economic development and anti-communism. NO commie revolution in China? Go read Karl Marx's Das Kapital before dishing out bullsh*ts again.
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan And yet, they've force China a give up Taiwan after the first Sino-Japanese War and absorbed German colonies in Shandong after WWI. After that, they staged a coup in the Korean monarchy and then annexed the country, which led to the fragmented Korea we see now. Additionally, they invaded Manchuria and set up a puppet government there. During the WW2, they also occupied vast territory in Southeast Asia, including modern-day Philippines and Indonesia.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@TheSalmonfan See, even without the second Sino-Japanese war, Japan's imperialistic ambitions were evident. You can't tell me that basically all of Asia decided to give up their autonomy and thought they'd be better ruled by Japan? And what exactly was that provocation by the Chinese? Why did the Japanese provide military aid to various warlords in China and prevent unification by the Nationalist government (the government which was the predecessor of that in Taiwan)?
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
First of all, there was no such thing as autonomy in Asia at that time, as nearly all of the Asian lands had been stolen by the white colonial masters long ago. What Japan did was to return Asian lands back to the Asians during the war. From a legal point of view, a piece of stolen property couldn't be re-stolen, thus Japan did nothing wrong. In case you don't know, without Japan's support, the Chinese nationalists ( KMT ) would never be able to overthrow the Qing Dynasty.
TheSalmonfan 1 month ago
@TheSalmonfan Give Asia back to Asians? What difference does it make to those people if they were ruled by the Americans, British, the French, than being ruled by the Japanese? From a legal point of view, a stolen piece of property is still stolen unless returned to its rightful owner. Japan is not the rightful owner of many of the lands it conquered. In case you didn't know, the Qing was not brought down by a rebellion. The last emperor abdicated when the country crumbled into a mess.
hahaha01357 1 month ago
@hahaha01357
The difference is the white men enslaved their colonial subjects and used them as money printing machines, while Japanese liberated them so that they would be the citizens living on their own lands.
Don't you know Japan gave the Taiwanese the right to vote in Japanese general elections as early as 1930s ?
Tell me, which Western colonial master ever gave their slaves such rights ?
TheSalmonfan 1 month ago
@TheSalmonfan See, I did not know that. Nevertheless, it doesn't help detract from my statement that Japan's invasion of those lands were out of imperial ambition.
hahaha01357 1 month ago
@TheSalmonfan ...ethnic minorities (that includes Tibetans) get tax breaks and benefits. They need lower grades to enter top universities. The One-Child Policy? Does not apply to them. The areas they live in get preferential economic aid as well as increased autonomy from the central government. Really, regions like Tibet and Xinjiang are quite well-treated by the Chinese government.
hahaha01357 2 months ago
@hahaha01357
That's in China. The censorship is about keeping those in power at the top that's the whole purpose of it.
But not in the West, in which censorship is about the compliance of the law and the law is NOT about keeping those in power at the top. Get it ?
TheSalmonfan 2 months ago
For an independent Taiwan!
VladimirMalakhov 5 months ago
美国是看到了中共的弱点，看着中共怕丢了政权，只要中共答应美国些贸易上的条件，美国就让中共继续暴政下去。他们只是偶尔出来一下，装一下人权卫士，其实美国根本不关心中国人权问题，他们仅维护自己的国家的人权问题所谓"海外反华势力"的真面目终于浮出水面了
中共部级以上官员的儿孙辈大多有美国身份
"围脖"中国官员儿孙美国身分消息继续发酵
Holykid15 5 months ago
@chinakickyourass i think you need a tampon lol xd
goarmy979 5 months ago
@chinakickyourass first try to get past my gun barrel. and the united states isnt the only one how many times has russia had a satellites blow up in space. and just to let you know its double the time for killing a u.s army soldier but i pretty much doubt you can do anything becouse i know you wouldnt pay for a plane ticket to kill someone
goarmy979 5 months ago
Look at what's happening now. Google and read "are america and china preparing for war"
Bobzeedo 5 months ago
@chinakickyourass big man on youtube gonna teach me a lesson. probably just some fatass
goarmy979 5 months ago
The Communists ARE disgusting...and it IS true that Mao did practically nothing compared to what Chiang did against Japan. I hope that Taiwan can seize power from the Communists soon...
Falamu445 6 months ago
I hope China and Taiwan reunite one day. FUCK communist
from U.S
RatedRockStarr 6 months ago
Taiwan don't stand a chance because they don't have any Western allies. They may as well just bend over to China and subject themselves to the new order of things when the time comes. Fighting China would be suicide for Taiwan.
NBAGOATS 6 months ago
Then in 1895 April 17, China and Japan signed the peace treaty of Shimonoseki. This followed a war over control of the Korean peninsula. Then finally in 1895 China ceded Taiwan to Japan under the Apr 17 Treaty of Shimonoseki. This followed a war over control of the Korean peninsula.
Gwiz1280 6 months ago
In 1643 - 73 Francois Caron was a French Huguenot refugee and became the Governor of Taiwan through the East Asian Trading Company and helped to create smoother production of Taiwanese products such as rice, sugar, indigo moderating with Chinese pirates.
In 1683, things had changed, Taiwan was claimed by China's Manchu dynasty after large-scale immigration from the Chinese mainland to the island.
Gwiz1280 6 months ago
There has been a lot of controversy about "who does Taiwan really belong too?"
In my own understanding these were the events.
Taiwan has never really been part of China as it had been first settled by Aboriginal & Asian people including people from China in 8000 BC.
In 1517 Portuguese sailors name the Island "Formosa" and was later renamed "Taiwan"
In 1661 The Chinese Ming Dynasty occupied Taiwan for about 11 years.
Gwiz1280 6 months ago
Long live the KMT!
cartmanx12 6 months ago
the video is carton.
Alexinmy 7 months ago
i think taiwan and china are absolutely different country
chinese said " taiwan is part of china bcoz taiwan using chinese, same nationality" using same language?? that's funny.... then why don't u guys saying "japan is part of china"?? japanese also use chinese part of their language
nationality also different between chinese and taiwanese
parkedable 7 months ago
If Taiwan belongs to China then china should also claim malaysia becoz the malaccan sultanate married a ming princess and became a vassal state to ming, claim back vietnam becoz vietnam was once a vassal state, claim back korea, claim back iran and half the f**king world which genghis khan had conquered.
alfieyip 7 months ago
self determintation!! taiwan for indepedence.
jigsaw99 7 months ago
china wont attack anyone all of asia hates them and the u.s has two naval fleets in asia
goarmy979 7 months ago
@goarmy979 your a piece of racist shit.
china was the whole reason the americans and the british won the war..we invented gunpowder, paper, and magnetic compasses.
we existed before the idea of america even existed.
show some respect you little faggot.
Arsealan 7 months ago
@Arsealan t get along lol
LexusFman 7 months ago
@Arsealan how am i racist when all i said was all of asia hates china and i dont show little communist kids respect
goarmy979 7 months ago 2
@goarmy979 China and Taiwan run a Democratic system stupid..
Arsealan 7 months ago
@Arsealan thats what you think their people dont even have freedom their forced to work like slaves
goarmy979 7 months ago
@Arsealan china does not run a democratic system. Their economic system is capitalist but their government is communist. Not in the sense that all people receive rations and stuff, but freedoms like religion and free speech are oppressed. In response to your other comment on showing china "respect" perhaps you should owe america and the rest of the democratic world respect for the fact that right now, you can speak freely and even visit websites like this one. I respect your opinion though.
Clasicalnothing 6 months ago
@goarmy979 And why exactly does everyone hates China? Lol I find it hilarious when somebody says that without adequate proof or the ability to think beyond the boundaries of consequences if China wasn't there.
Here's a tip for you in the future mate....when you say hate China as a whole, you offend it's population....if you hate the government...then say the government...do not judge everyone in a particular country solely by the actions of its government!
Ding760 5 months ago
@goarmy979 ur not coz its true
knightsfly5 5 months ago
中国弱，日本强奸你的国家，我们应做一遍
MrTr0llol 7 months ago
中国が弱い、日本ではあなたの国をレイプし、我々は再びそれを行うものとします。
MrTr0llol 7 months ago
Philippines will help Taiwan.... We are committed defending the democracy as what we do in SK..
toybikex 7 months ago
腦殘共匪 萬惡不赦
canadianfrog10 7 months ago
MASTER CHIEF WILL BE THERE TO DEFEND TAIWAN AGAINa china
jjmaxx16 7 months ago
@jjmaxx16 no he wont.
ervin920 7 months ago
China can't invade Taiwan. Taiwan can defend itself by its100 miles of water, known as the Taiwan straits. A Chinese invasion would require an amphibious force larger than the Allied force which landed at Normandy in 1944. China has only 10% of the naval power needed just to attempt a difficult invasion against Taiwan, which has only three practical landing sites, all heavily fortified.
nerdmastermind 7 months ago