Thank you for this video! I subscribe to your channel and felt like going back through your older posts, and I'm glad I did! My Nagant didn't come with the accessories such as the firing pin no-go gauge, but thanks to this video I was able to discover that my pin was set .008 beyond the safe length. Now that I've corrected that I am sure I'll have much safer shooting! Thanks!
I just bought my first mosin at a gun show yesterday and I'm cleaning it today. I agree, this bolt is over-engineered as shit. It's almost like a manual rotating bolt design. Again, all this is ironic given that million were made over the course of 70+ years, most of them is soviet factories
Just got a Mosin Nagant 91/30. The tool that come with it only had 1 notch in it for unscrewing the firing pin from bolt after removing the head piece. No notches for measuring the firing pin protrusion. Thanks for putting the measurement in the caption in the video (not to exceed .095) so can measure with caliber. Another great video by the way.
damn mine was really hard to pull off... then i got a piece of wood and set it on top there, and the bolt came apart super easy... Nothing like a good morning wood to disassemble a m91/30 bolt...
@mathnerdm@ThrowingSpoon help me pleas ei have an issue hwere i can get bolt all assembled perfectly set put it in the decock position the piring pen turns and coumplety out of the cut notches i can fit it perfect again put it in the gun and itll still be slightly off the set notches shood i junk my gun?
those marks on the bolt are because the soviets milled out the parts rather than just stamping them. milled out parts have a lot more integrity than stamped parts.
@hawke917 my bolt cocking peace has ben ground down on the bottem to pit help is my nagant a messup it it was not ground the cocking peace would not fit why is this please help me
The reason the bolt is done somewhat sloppy is because the russians had to mass produce the weapon when WWII started, but other than that good job on the video... my grandpa thought i didnt know what i was doing when i started taking the bolt apart so i showed him this video haha
I just got a 91/30 from the local Fleet Farm ($100), took it home and disassembled/reassembled the bolt about like IV8888 just showed. You need to play with it a bit to make all the parts meet properly. My rifle was imported by CAI, and the disassembly manual they use is somewhat different, particularly with reference to handling firing pin removal/reinstall. As they say, horses for courses; either way will work, but IV8888's version may risk bending the firing pin.
oh, a helpful tip would be drilling a 1/4" hole on a block of wood and stick the firing pin in to it during disassembly. I slipped and belt the tip on my first try. a block of wood in a vice minimizes this and won't ruin the tip if you screw up. And its helpful to take a tungsten punch and punch two dimples on the bolt rear close to each other. one on the center and one on the bolt head. This way its one more confirming indicator on top of the slot... but only if you are anal like me :)
I was following along with my bolt, and when it came to twist it I was watching the video and all the parts fell on the floor. I was a bit surprised haha.
I believe that the machining on the bottom of the mosin's bolt has a purpose. because my saiga sporter has that same machining on its bolt. i think it has something to do with the sliding of the bolt. because of metal against metal.
Seems like you have a few Nagants so you may already be aware, but speaking from the bolt machining quality; it depends very much on which model you have. The war-time ones were particularly rough but most of the Pre-War models (like my 1934 DDR-stamped Mosin) have nice clean, sharp lines with no visible burrs or machining marks.
How do you like your Moisin Nagant ? Accurate ? I was thinking of buying one... Compared to my two K98s, they are kinda clunky and crude, but I'm told they are accurate...
i just got one of these rifles and im wondering what is the head space and i was told that i should have that checked to make sure nothing is bad i understand it is very important to make sure nothing is wrong but what is head space and what can go wrong
You have to get a headspace tool for the mosin nagant (roughly $7). There are two notches. The first notch, when put on the firing pin, should be just too short to fit flush and the second notch, when put on the firing pin, should just clear the firing pin. There's usually a scratched line in the back of the bolt assembly to give you a rough estimate.
If it's too short it doesn't engage the primer and your bullet doesn't shoot. If it's too long it pierces the primer and the hot gases shoot back at you and can send the bolt in your face.
Just the info I needed. I've been trying to turn the screw on back of cocking piece to release the firing pin. DUH! I understand bolt should be fully disassembled and clean after firing surplus ammo. Taking my Mosin to the range today for its first outing.
Hey eric, I just bought my m44 mosin (unissued condition) and picked it up like half an hour ago... mine only came with the gun and sling. Is there anything else i can use to test firing pin pertrusion?
@Sochill247 Callipers... You can find the maximum and minimum measurments on here, or the net. (He gave you the max in the video). Hope that helps, I know you didnt ask me :D
My screw is lined up with the sratch now, the pin is slightly larger than the first grooveBUT it is pretty much as big as the second which scares me a bit, I'm able to slide the tool back and forth over the pin with the second groove but no real daylight coming through, it is JUST there. Is this OK? Also, I disassembbled mine to cvlean it, should I check head space before firing? Or should I be good? Got mine from Aimsurplus.
ok i was awtching this vid. one tip is make dam sure u got a good hold on the bolt when ur taking the firing pin out. mine slipped and went flying across my room at the speed of holy crap and stuck in my wall like a dart.
mine wont twist off i compresed the spring and all but it will not come apart the firering pin is moving with it i do not know if that has anything to do with it but thats what is going on hoping you can help
well if you think about it. they didnt have time to make every thing look all fancy. there country was being invaded and they needed rifles out as fast as possible. so expect little nicks here and there.
Complicated? no it's not. one twist and it 2/3 part. It's design like the Ak. Easy to product and mantain in the field. When a machine shop is set up to product that bolt. Production time is about an hour. The k31 bolt much longer. Besides no one was bombing the Swiss in ww2. So the quialty of production was mush higher.
@Iraqveteran8888 Ok help! I dissasembled the bolt, reassembly went fine, put when I got it back into the gun the action got stuck and the bolt is now down and stuck in the gun. :(
Your comments about the complexity of the firing bolt have set my mind running...why *would* the Russians put such a complicated bolt in a military rifle? I'm not knocking Russian engineering either - those boys can produce some functional but indestructible shit. I remember a line I read about Russian vs. American fighters, comparing them to a Mickey Mouse watch vs. a Rolex. You drop the Rolex and it breaks. Drop the Mickey Mouse watch, shake it , and it starts up again.
Your videos are very good. I just got a Mosin Nagant m91/30 and new nothing about it and seeing your videos helped me a lot. When i get a new gun I like to take it apart and learn about it and i have to use the books but this video made it so quick and easy. so thank you. also i was wondering if you knew of any place/site that sold new stocks for the nagant i have the origional one but i want to modernize it. thanks.
have you ever taken apart a arisaka bolt, because it is so simple and a very good bolt system and i have been thinking about getting one in the future.
hey Iraqveteran, i got a important question to ask. i just bought a 1944 mosin nagant 91/30 and i noticed when i dry fired i have to squeeze the trigger a lil hard and it feels like a long squeeze if you get what i mean is this normal for my gun and other nagants? AND if i take my bolt out the firing pin doesnt show!
hey Iraqveteran, i got a important question to ask. i just bought a 1944 mosin nagant 91/30 and i noticed when i dry fired i have to squeeze the trigger a lil hard and it feels like a long squeeze if you get what i mean is this normal for my gun and other nagants? thanks for your service and time to answer. bout to buy another one i love em!
on the part where im supposed to line up the notches with the firing pin, for some reason its not possible for me to get them to line up. am i doing something wrong or is that just how mine is?
The K31 bolt may be nicer cosmetically and easier to disassemble, but for some reason the bolt on my Mosin M44 works by far more easily and smoothly than does my K31. Don't think it's a question of cleaning or lubrication as I take care with both. Additionally, it's pretty individual as everyone is different, but the M44 rifle itself is slimmer, handier, and for my preferences, better balanced and points more naturally than the thicker, bulkier, seemingly awkward K31.
In the case where you don't have a block of wood there, I'm fairly sure you can take out the firing pin and spring using the initial piece that you took off of the bolt, it acts like a wrench with the small u cut there.
During WW2 they did not take a lot of time to clean up non contact surfaces as they were more interested in production numbers.
You can see the differences in pre 41 as they are much better machined. In some rifles they removed the step that cut a re-leaf on the left side of the bolt area. (left of where you insert the cartridges).
Thanks to your video I can now take my bolt apart !
Earl
The bayonet on most all Mosin rifles will need to be filed or honed
I just got a M91/30 Mosin Nagant at cabela's all of them were unissued and in great shape and thanks to you and your great advice i found a perferct working mosin nagant for $99. THANK YOU
I have a question about "head spacing". I was told, that if I were to buy a bolt, that a new bolt might need to be spaced. Is this true? I also wanted to find out where you purchase a firing pin gauge. I have an M44, looking to sell it, and get an M91/30. The M39s are a little bit out of my price range.
i'm not putting down your knowledge of guns and how to disassemble them but you can pull apart the mosin nagant bolt in your hands without a block of wood
when trying to disassmble my bolt i cant get past unscrewing the "back piece". when applying pressure and turning it the whole firing pin spins in the wood. it would be great to get some help.
Thanks for a very helpful video! I just got a M39 VKT produced in 1941. I got the rifle apart without problem, butI did not dare to experiment with the bolt on my own, so thanks again for a very useful video :)
Great video. I will now be extra careful about not taking the bolt apart. If I ever have to for any reason, I will run you video again and go step by step.
Can you give me some info about fixing the bayonet. I can't seem to get it into place. Its too tight. The ring is not a perfect circle. It has a different serial number then the rest of the rifle. I was going to grind it out a bit. Any advice before I start grinding?
In all honesty, there is really no reason to put the bayonet on other than display purposes.
Out of the 18 or so Mosins I have owned over the years, I have never been able to get a stock bayonet to fit the rifle without making minor adjustments.
You are right though...you will likely need to file off a few areas to get it to fit properly.
Touch up with cold blue afterwards and you are good to go.
@tsafa1 Do you have M44, If you do then don't even try because they had the pin in there, must remove the small pin in order to remove bayonet!!! M44 if you remove the bayonet, then your gun is shooting very loudsy!!! Must have Bayonet up in order to shoot right (Again, Russian engineer!)
@tsafa1 Mine fit when I first got it, it was tight so I tooka dremel to it and it made it much smoother, I have also heard of people polishing them up with a dremel and that was the only way they would work.
@tsafa1 You can grind it down to get it on there if you are just collecting but if you are shooting it then don't do it because even the slightest wabble will disrupt the harmonics of your barrel basically you can't put it on there if you plan on shooting it.
dude thank so much for your videos they helped me alot with the gun most of all the bolt checking every thing and making sure the firing pin is done right thanks again man.
Can anyone please answer this question please? I just bought a 91/30 and heard that they are sighted in the factory with bayonet fixed. The question is, my front sight is about a millimeter or less askewed to the right in it's "seat". Should it be that way or flush seated in the front sight mechanism? Was wondering if I should tap it into place or leave it due to the fixed bayonet pre-sighting. Thanks for anyone's help!
Thank you kindly. I guess I'll have to take it to the range and see if all of my rounds are to the right or left and fix the front sight... also check with and without bayonet fixed.
sounds good. i haven't seen it, so i can't say for sure, but it's possible it's already set right. i've had a few guns that looked like the sights would be waaaaay off. but they weren't. bayonet will make a difference on some. on m44 carbines it can make up to a foot of change at 100 yards. and then on some you can shoot with or without and experience no change.
Can't thank you enough... nice to know we can all help each other. I'll try it at the range. I've been shooting for 17 years and got the trophy at Ft. Knox out of 151 soldiers (hit all 40 with the M-16) so I'll know if it's messed up. Just not so familiar with the 91/30 sighting... Again, thank you very much and best wishes!
Mine came with the front sight slightly off to the right too. The gun shoots straight though. I would go the range and check how it shoots before you start adjusting the sight.
Hey tsafa1, thank you very much, really appreciate it! If your sight is to the right too, it's probably supposed to be. Will be going to the range soon...
I noticed something else while examining the rifle. There is a crude scratch made on the front sight that runs from the top piece to the bottom piece. On mine that scratch lines up perfectly with the sight off to the left. You will also see a similar scratch on firing pin adjusting screw at the rear of the bold. The scratch runs through the screw slot. That is where is firing pin was determined in its optimal position so it hits the primer but not puncture it. Very cool simple adjusting measure.
Mine too. It is only a very small difference for the front sight. If you mean you bolt screw is slightly left of the scratch, use the tool with the circle to check how far the pin sticks out. Use the middle two notches. It should touch the second notch but not the third. You will find videos on You Tube that demonstrates this.
@tsafa1 on my 91/30s (i have 3) there is a stamped line on the muzzle side of the front sight and on the sight base. those stamped lines should line up to make one line. i have heard that on some modles there are not lines, but there ore triangles, ccircles, etc.
good stuff got mine today, cleaned it to the bone, one thing u can comment is for people having problems moving the bolt, I see in your video you it looks like you twisted it easy at 1:33, your spring must not have been as strong as a regular mosin which is a good thing, they are too strong a simple way to ease the bolt movement in the gun is to shorten the spring but cutting off a link
man i am scared to shoot mine. my firing pin is sticking out quite a bit and the last thing i need is for to punture the bullet and send it into my face! i think i need a new bolt cause mine is an original m44
Thanks for posting this video! you do such a great job on all your videos they are all so very helpful i finally got my 1944 Mosin Nagant rifle a few weeks ago and i was having trouble with the bolt and after watching this video and taking it apart it works better! Now all i need to do is clean out the excess cosmoline in the chamber :D
to remove the firing pin. i believe youre supposed to use the long forked piece that comes off the bolt.. believe its called the connector.. the forked piece fits onto the front of the firing pin and it twists right off
hey.. do you how i can replicate the finish on my mosin nagant?.. perhaps how to get the right shade of red? will garnet shellac work or was some sort of stain used prior to the shellac finish?... if so, do you have any recipes for the right shade?.. i have a nagant in need of a complete refinish, and im also considering refinishing my dining room table to look just like the stock of a mosin nagant
well the k31 bolts are made so well because they didnt make nearly as many as the mosin nagants. i think the k31 bolts would have marks and burrs if over 10 million were made.
It's not meant to be a comment bashing the Russians in any wany, it's just to show a point that quality always drops when production numbers ramp up to meet higher demands.
To us it may be common sense, but some people don't get it so thats why I mentioned it.
Would the Swiss turn out anything they consider to be subpar? One can only speculate, but I would say that they would not because it isn't in their character.
the russians had to arm millions of men. the k 31 was made to arm a smaller country with a smaller army. for the money one of the best military rifles u can buy
Hey bro. Good vid but one thing.... Those slots are cut not for firing pin protrusion but to make sure theres proper alignment so the locking lug can slide on. If the screw is not ligned up with the slots then you cant get the guide rod type of thing back on that the lug is onto. You'll see what I mean if its crooked. On my 91/30 the firing pin is backing out about the length of the tip of my index finger nail for proper protrusion. Good vid man.
In the arsenal, the bolt is set to the proper firing pin protrusion then a line is cut across the back for reference. What you are referring to is just a good side bonus of that fact. If the pin is set too deep you will be to tell by looking at the back...same thing if it pokes out too far. Some firing pins will have cut marks on them and some will not...It just depends on protrusion. I'd be willing to bet your 91/30 has a line through the firing pin.
No line through the firing pin, but it is slotted for the multi-tool or screwdriver. I have two mosins, on my m44 my firing pin has to be screwed in deeper, and my 91/30 sticks out a little bit. The cut slot on the back of the firing to kind of turn it into a scew is still lined up with the lines cut on the back of the striker knob. I can get pics if you want.
I believe you for sure. These weapons were produced in war time and you never know what you'll with them. To an extent, I'm sure they pretty much had to come up with things as they went along. If I had to guess, both of our theories have a considerable amount of accuracy.
mine was a exdragoon it also has the name of the guy who used it. he also scraches small swastikas on the butt of the rifle, each time he gets a kill.
"typical swiss quality" well...... the swiss have been fortunate enough to not have had to fight any wars since gunpowder was invented, so...... they have plenty of time to finish their handiwork. on the other hand, the russians beat the sh&t out of the nazis with these nasty guns. i take my hat off to the russians who did what was necessary and nothing more, and as a result pushed the nazi's all the way back to berlin where USA could claim victory in one puny battle.
You took me the wrong way, but if you want to go there, the Finns handed Russia there asses using M91s and M39s that were modified to their standards. The standard Russian M9130 was not good enough to meet their standard so they made improvements but replacing the barrels, stocks, sights, etc.
They were dealing with wartime manufacturing with very little help from anyone else. All the other Countries were too pansy to help the brave Finns!!
My comment was directed towards the stigma Americans have about referring to the Russians like they are some kind of back-woods illiterate barbarians with cold hearts. I'm American but just defending the Russians who we tend to forget had the tenacity to endure the war long enough to hand over to us an easy victory. If it wasn't for their scrappy and base approach to getting the job done, we might all be doing goose steps barking out in german.
If I sounded like a was talking down to Russia engineering I didnt mean to. I love Combloc weaponry!
We're also lucky that the Finns handed Russia their asses so they could learn the harsh lessons they needed to learn to put an ass kickin on the nazis. The Finns taight Russia winter warfare the hard way!
my friend...if it wasn't for the United States creating a Western front in Europe the Russians would have also been doing goose steps...it works both ways my friend....and besides, the united states held 75% of the world's gold reserves, owned the largest manufacturing empire in the world, and was the first to invent the Atomic bomb...no one was going to stop the Americans. But yes the Russians did sacrifice quality for quantity in producing their rifles, but in their defense, it worked!
You could in theory count the number of rotations you make and insure you assemble with the exact same number of turns...and yes its important unless you want a bunch of hot gas blown into your face.
i think i did it right, there's a line as if someone purpose carved it there on the back of the bolt and the screw is a little off but they are pretty much vertical would that mean i did it right? how could i tell if i did something wrong? wear glasses and shoot a round from the hip? lol
Just make sure the firing pin is flush with the rear of the cocking piece and that the line carved into both is generally straight and you should be fine.
great job- i just posted a complete breakdown of an m44 myself- while i didnt go into that much detail, i went thru the same stuff you did. now that you mention it, the bolt is a wonder of its own... ive never bothered to question the reasoning of that massive firing pin or the complicated nature of it. 5 stars though- having a cameraman hepls too!
Thanks for the compliments. Your video is good too...Only thing that surprised me is that you didn't do the obligatory checking of the weapon for rounds. No biggie though...If a person doesn't have that much sense, they don't need to own a weapon. The bolt design is pretty cool, it's typical com bloc...designed to work everytime.
its called hollywood magic- i broke it down and reassembled it several times before the actual filming took place, and i had all 4 rounds on the table in front of me. just a lil fyi- when i removed the magazine box, the spring wouldve ejected all the bullets, if there even was any in there. it would be a shame for me to care so much about my gun but not know the most cardinal rule of gun safety. for future reference- just because you dont see it doesent mean it didnt happen.
I know what you're getting at. I've done the same thing. It's just always a good idea to practice good clearing techniques when dealing with people other than yourself. Some idiot on here could blow a hole in their wall and try to blame you for not "showing them the proper way to clear the weapon"
You don't know what people are capable of!
I still think that if somebody can't properly clear a weapon for cleaning, they don't have any business owning it. I'm not referring to you....
The slot cut alignment you refer to is a good reference point. When they assembled the bolts in the factory, firing pin protrusion was adjusted then a cut was placed over the back of the bolt and firing pin iteself so the solder could have a reference point for reassembly. You CAN assemble it wrong and have either inadequate or excessive protrusion. Common sense has to come into play a little bit. When you take something apart you should always pay attention to everything you are doing
Sako still makes half a dozen designs patterned after the Mosin and yeah, the Finns used Mosin as their sniper of choice until the late 90's.
Also, I think Tula makes a modern repro of the Mosin. It shoots quite well from what I have read. I can't seem to find the article, but to give you an idea of what it looks like; it looks a kin to the Finnish M76 match rifle.(also based on the Mosin)
The are fairly hard to find here in the states, although you may see one on occasion.
I've never understood how anyone can think the Mosin bolt is complicated. Yeah, the physics are a bit complicated and the design looks almost insane, but the assembly process couldn't be simpler.
It is when you consider the designs on others of the era and number of rifles that were produced. How many modern hunting rifles do you see patterned after the Mosin?
I think it would be an interesting idea....BTW...In Finland...one of their current sniper rifles design still incoropates Mosin Recievers made in the late 1800s!
I agree, for whatever weapons that the soldiers have used to fight with, they are priceless. Because to them, the weapon itself are like a pal fighting side by side with them. Thus, whether the weapon is cheap or not, the friendly relationship between the user and weapon can not be measured by money.
Thank you for the video and answering my question, I think I should get one of these models.
Exactly...I look at them as parts of history. While there is a certain monetary factor involved in the different models, every should one one of each and preserve their stories. If they could only talk!
it was made by phesants that were pressed into service for the country against their will. They were made to be used for an undertrained soldiers. beauty was never a consideration. All they wanted was to be able to shoot a bullet. They had a shortage of weapons several times in history and that adds to the sloppy production. Germans had a pride that was not there for the conscript red army. It is like comparing Picasos paintings to colorbooks.
I didnt know birds could build guns.... (Peasants)
I agree.. The mosin was built to be used by the most stupid of villagers and not have to worry about it exploding in their face or having it jam.. despite all the problems they had They still won out in the end.. which kinda goes to show, you can have the most adequately supplied army and most well trained of soldiers..and still get your ass handed to you by Gorillas..
also.. if i remember right.. stalin had a "Super human gorrilla hybrid army" as one of his hair-brained insanity plans..
if that had worked... You really would have fallen to a bunch of gorillas.. how would you tell? The nazis would have had banana peels on their remains.
on a tad easier note:
You can also remove the Firing pin by using the bolt slider to unscrew it.. just place the pin in between the prongs and turn....easier on the ol hands..
just be careful when doing it like this becasue if you get to the end the firing pin will shoot across the room and stick in the wall if your not ready :) not easier in my book
I know, That was one of my main fears.. what ive told friends over and over Never take out the pin unless your absolutely ready otherwise itll turn into a missile and Shoot through the walls.. and it was a pain in the ass to get back together, or rather a pain in the hands.. but eventually it went back together..
Funny made by "birds" Spell check is a requirement for some of us. I have a FFL03 and collect them because my great Grandparents were some of those forced to give up thier land and work in the factories before they escaped and came to the USA
nah, Spell check is something I prefer to just leave be.. Im not big on it, but every once in awhile I come across a funny one and just have to point it out... jokingly anyway..
My great grans were in the service. Although I have problems with certain parts of my grams story of their military career.. I do have 1 piece of evidence.. The pistol that was left behind is a M19 Ruby... other then that I have no real clue on what service they fought in or for..
Thank you for this video! I subscribe to your channel and felt like going back through your older posts, and I'm glad I did! My Nagant didn't come with the accessories such as the firing pin no-go gauge, but thanks to this video I was able to discover that my pin was set .008 beyond the safe length. Now that I've corrected that I am sure I'll have much safer shooting! Thanks!
Kccraft22 19 hours ago
I just bought my first mosin at a gun show yesterday and I'm cleaning it today. I agree, this bolt is over-engineered as shit. It's almost like a manual rotating bolt design. Again, all this is ironic given that million were made over the course of 70+ years, most of them is soviet factories
Cropduster777 3 days ago
Just got a Mosin Nagant 91/30. The tool that come with it only had 1 notch in it for unscrewing the firing pin from bolt after removing the head piece. No notches for measuring the firing pin protrusion. Thanks for putting the measurement in the caption in the video (not to exceed .095) so can measure with caliber. Another great video by the way.
RUNuckinfutz 1 week ago
damn mine was really hard to pull off... then i got a piece of wood and set it on top there, and the bolt came apart super easy... Nothing like a good morning wood to disassemble a m91/30 bolt...
twiggyuno 1 month ago
when I put mine back together, the slot isnt aligned like it was at first, help!
motlencore89 1 month ago
@motlencore89 You figure it out yet or still need help?
mathnerdm 1 month ago
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@mathnerdm @ThrowingSpoon help me pleas ei have an issue hwere i can get bolt all assembled perfectly set put it in the decock position the piring pen turns and coumplety out of the cut notches i can fit it perfect again put it in the gun and itll still be slightly off the set notches shood i junk my gun?
cber8860 1 month ago
those marks on the bolt are because the soviets milled out the parts rather than just stamping them. milled out parts have a lot more integrity than stamped parts.
hawke917 2 months ago
@hawke917 my bolt cocking peace has ben ground down on the bottem to pit help is my nagant a messup it it was not ground the cocking peace would not fit why is this please help me
cber8860 1 month ago
The reason the bolt is done somewhat sloppy is because the russians had to mass produce the weapon when WWII started, but other than that good job on the video... my grandpa thought i didnt know what i was doing when i started taking the bolt apart so i showed him this video haha
BASSPLAYAAA 3 months ago
I just got a 91/30 from the local Fleet Farm ($100), took it home and disassembled/reassembled the bolt about like IV8888 just showed. You need to play with it a bit to make all the parts meet properly. My rifle was imported by CAI, and the disassembly manual they use is somewhat different, particularly with reference to handling firing pin removal/reinstall. As they say, horses for courses; either way will work, but IV8888's version may risk bending the firing pin.
audadvnc 3 months ago
oh, a helpful tip would be drilling a 1/4" hole on a block of wood and stick the firing pin in to it during disassembly. I slipped and belt the tip on my first try. a block of wood in a vice minimizes this and won't ruin the tip if you screw up. And its helpful to take a tungsten punch and punch two dimples on the bolt rear close to each other. one on the center and one on the bolt head. This way its one more confirming indicator on top of the slot... but only if you are anal like me :)
R5H4D0W 4 months ago
I was following along with my bolt, and when it came to twist it I was watching the video and all the parts fell on the floor. I was a bit surprised haha.
theothertoddg 4 months ago
hey man thanks for the vid! it helped me so much thanks again!!
jlovasz3 5 months ago
Thank you so much. I had thought my Vintovka Mosina broken. Thank you so much, sir.
timandbrandi777 5 months ago
"fanangled it together" i don't know if thats a word dude. xD
PopeMouse 7 months ago
I believe that the machining on the bottom of the mosin's bolt has a purpose. because my saiga sporter has that same machining on its bolt. i think it has something to do with the sliding of the bolt. because of metal against metal.
damoleman69 7 months ago
Seems like you have a few Nagants so you may already be aware, but speaking from the bolt machining quality; it depends very much on which model you have. The war-time ones were particularly rough but most of the Pre-War models (like my 1934 DDR-stamped Mosin) have nice clean, sharp lines with no visible burrs or machining marks.
lordkappa 8 months ago
Great video!
cypherx82 8 months ago
I was pretty lost with my bolt till I found this video. Thanks man.
ChefTactical 9 months ago
the mosin nagant clening kit comes with a gauge?
148scalemodeling 10 months ago
How do you like your Moisin Nagant ? Accurate ? I was thinking of buying one... Compared to my two K98s, they are kinda clunky and crude, but I'm told they are accurate...
xzqzq 10 months ago
i just got one of these rifles and im wondering what is the head space and i was told that i should have that checked to make sure nothing is bad i understand it is very important to make sure nothing is wrong but what is head space and what can go wrong
thx
UNIONPACIFIC1 10 months ago
@UNIONPACIFIC1
You have to get a headspace tool for the mosin nagant (roughly $7). There are two notches. The first notch, when put on the firing pin, should be just too short to fit flush and the second notch, when put on the firing pin, should just clear the firing pin. There's usually a scratched line in the back of the bolt assembly to give you a rough estimate.
AdamShumpisxXx 10 months ago
@UNIONPACIFIC1
If it's too short it doesn't engage the primer and your bullet doesn't shoot. If it's too long it pierces the primer and the hot gases shoot back at you and can send the bolt in your face.
Get it checked.
AdamShumpisxXx 10 months ago
Just the info I needed. I've been trying to turn the screw on back of cocking piece to release the firing pin. DUH! I understand bolt should be fully disassembled and clean after firing surplus ammo. Taking my Mosin to the range today for its first outing.
TheBluemailman53 11 months ago
Like your video.It really helped me with mine when I did some cleaning on it.
Thanks
hamer0111 1 year ago
Hey eric, I just bought my m44 mosin (unissued condition) and picked it up like half an hour ago... mine only came with the gun and sling. Is there anything else i can use to test firing pin pertrusion?
Sochill247 1 year ago
@Sochill247 Callipers... You can find the maximum and minimum measurments on here, or the net. (He gave you the max in the video). Hope that helps, I know you didnt ask me :D
vetitoe362 1 year ago
My screw is lined up with the sratch now, the pin is slightly larger than the first grooveBUT it is pretty much as big as the second which scares me a bit, I'm able to slide the tool back and forth over the pin with the second groove but no real daylight coming through, it is JUST there. Is this OK? Also, I disassembbled mine to cvlean it, should I check head space before firing? Or should I be good? Got mine from Aimsurplus.
RightWingCon81 1 year ago
ok i was awtching this vid. one tip is make dam sure u got a good hold on the bolt when ur taking the firing pin out. mine slipped and went flying across my room at the speed of holy crap and stuck in my wall like a dart.
mortum000 1 year ago
Great video brother! I'm glad my buddy recommened it to me.
MrSKSkill 1 year ago
mine wont twist off i compresed the spring and all but it will not come apart the firering pin is moving with it i do not know if that has anything to do with it but thats what is going on hoping you can help
XxjustinendsxX 1 year ago
well if you think about it. they didnt have time to make every thing look all fancy. there country was being invaded and they needed rifles out as fast as possible. so expect little nicks here and there.
mathew0049 1 year ago
so if my mosin has only trace amounts of cosmoline on it what would happen if i didnt clean it
gruntpwnsnubz 1 year ago
Complicated? no it's not. one twist and it 2/3 part. It's design like the Ak. Easy to product and mantain in the field. When a machine shop is set up to product that bolt. Production time is about an hour. The k31 bolt much longer. Besides no one was bombing the Swiss in ww2. So the quialty of production was mush higher.
I be love your videos
pigwigpa 1 year ago
@Iraqveteran8888 Ok help! I dissasembled the bolt, reassembly went fine, put when I got it back into the gun the action got stuck and the bolt is now down and stuck in the gun. :(
linkofblue 1 year ago
If I can save up the money, being 12 years old, I'll get the sniper edition (Bent Bolt) for $104.
gamerfourm217 1 year ago
Your comments about the complexity of the firing bolt have set my mind running...why *would* the Russians put such a complicated bolt in a military rifle? I'm not knocking Russian engineering either - those boys can produce some functional but indestructible shit. I remember a line I read about Russian vs. American fighters, comparing them to a Mickey Mouse watch vs. a Rolex. You drop the Rolex and it breaks. Drop the Mickey Mouse watch, shake it , and it starts up again.
snidelywhiplash 1 year ago
Your videos are very good. I just got a Mosin Nagant m91/30 and new nothing about it and seeing your videos helped me a lot. When i get a new gun I like to take it apart and learn about it and i have to use the books but this video made it so quick and easy. so thank you. also i was wondering if you knew of any place/site that sold new stocks for the nagant i have the origional one but i want to modernize it. thanks.
SpinTheBeat360 1 year ago
have you ever taken apart a arisaka bolt, because it is so simple and a very good bolt system and i have been thinking about getting one in the future.
pzshi 1 year ago
hey Iraqveteran, i got a important question to ask. i just bought a 1944 mosin nagant 91/30 and i noticed when i dry fired i have to squeeze the trigger a lil hard and it feels like a long squeeze if you get what i mean is this normal for my gun and other nagants? AND if i take my bolt out the firing pin doesnt show!
tomfan180 1 year ago
hey Iraqveteran, i got a important question to ask. i just bought a 1944 mosin nagant 91/30 and i noticed when i dry fired i have to squeeze the trigger a lil hard and it feels like a long squeeze if you get what i mean is this normal for my gun and other nagants? thanks for your service and time to answer. bout to buy another one i love em!
tomfan180 1 year ago
on the part where im supposed to line up the notches with the firing pin, for some reason its not possible for me to get them to line up. am i doing something wrong or is that just how mine is?
Ronald3570 1 year ago
I think the sloppyness is from the need to turn out alot of them in a hurry, very nice tutorial! :)
R5H4D0W 1 year ago
Soviet rifle FINISH MACHINE is the HAMMER , DID YOU KNOW THAT?
CharlieDoan 1 year ago
good video, i'm adding the word finangle to my daily usage.
bingeebob 1 year ago
good video, i'm adding the word finangle to my daily usage.
bingeebob 1 year ago
good video, but did you really call the Mosin's bolt complicated?
bingeebob 1 year ago
I don't know if you knew this but the mosin bolt can also act as an impromptu rattle due to the loose tolarances
Zeppelinfaktor 1 year ago
The K31 bolt may be nicer cosmetically and easier to disassemble, but for some reason the bolt on my Mosin M44 works by far more easily and smoothly than does my K31. Don't think it's a question of cleaning or lubrication as I take care with both. Additionally, it's pretty individual as everyone is different, but the M44 rifle itself is slimmer, handier, and for my preferences, better balanced and points more naturally than the thicker, bulkier, seemingly awkward K31.
hobofactory 1 year ago
In the case where you don't have a block of wood there, I'm fairly sure you can take out the firing pin and spring using the initial piece that you took off of the bolt, it acts like a wrench with the small u cut there.
UsNme 1 year ago
would a hex receiver have a smoother action?
tkimcarolinas 1 year ago
Another great video
During WW2 they did not take a lot of time to clean up non contact surfaces as they were more interested in production numbers.
You can see the differences in pre 41 as they are much better machined. In some rifles they removed the step that cut a re-leaf on the left side of the bolt area. (left of where you insert the cartridges).
Thanks to your video I can now take my bolt apart !
Earl
The bayonet on most all Mosin rifles will need to be filed or honed
EarlRausch 1 year ago
yeah but k31's are junk
morbidangelofdeath1 1 year ago
I've been told that Mosin Nagants are the way they are mostly to avoid infringing on the Mauser patent.
AwakeAndDangerous 1 year ago
Thank you for this video! You probally prevented me from blowing my mosin's chamber off.
Mauser2012 1 year ago
would soaking the bolt in alcohol to remove the cosmo be a bad idea?
TheAircobra 1 year ago
I just got a M91/30 Mosin Nagant at cabela's all of them were unissued and in great shape and thanks to you and your great advice i found a perferct working mosin nagant for $99. THANK YOU
TheSuperspudnik 1 year ago
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Kalashboy762 1 year ago
i have a 1939 M91/30 and i cant get the firing pin to unscrew any ideas??
MadsenModel1990 1 year ago
thanks for the videos i was screwing around with my bolt then the fucker fell apart on me and I was having trouble putting it back together again
dylanoeo 1 year ago
Does the firing pin have to protrude?
Mine doesn't at all.
IWorshipMCR 1 year ago
I have a question about "head spacing". I was told, that if I were to buy a bolt, that a new bolt might need to be spaced. Is this true? I also wanted to find out where you purchase a firing pin gauge. I have an M44, looking to sell it, and get an M91/30. The M39s are a little bit out of my price range.
theduke502 1 year ago
life saver! ha i took mine apart (which i'm pretty good at) but i couldn't put it back together haha! thanks
tcrockett0666 1 year ago
i'm not putting down your knowledge of guns and how to disassemble them but you can pull apart the mosin nagant bolt in your hands without a block of wood
Ki11er08 1 year ago
when trying to disassmble my bolt i cant get past unscrewing the "back piece". when applying pressure and turning it the whole firing pin spins in the wood. it would be great to get some help.
FROGCOMMANDER96 1 year ago
Thanks for a very helpful video! I just got a M39 VKT produced in 1941. I got the rifle apart without problem, butI did not dare to experiment with the bolt on my own, so thanks again for a very useful video :)
Landser89 1 year ago
Great video. I will now be extra careful about not taking the bolt apart. If I ever have to for any reason, I will run you video again and go step by step.
tsafa1 1 year ago
Glad it helped you...
Iraqveteran8888 1 year ago
Can you give me some info about fixing the bayonet. I can't seem to get it into place. Its too tight. The ring is not a perfect circle. It has a different serial number then the rest of the rifle. I was going to grind it out a bit. Any advice before I start grinding?
tsafa1 1 year ago
In all honesty, there is really no reason to put the bayonet on other than display purposes.
Out of the 18 or so Mosins I have owned over the years, I have never been able to get a stock bayonet to fit the rifle without making minor adjustments.
You are right though...you will likely need to file off a few areas to get it to fit properly.
Touch up with cold blue afterwards and you are good to go.
Iraqveteran8888 1 year ago
Thanks again.
tsafa1 1 year ago
@Iraqveteran8888 Take some emery cloth to inside of the Bayonet lug.
BrokenRRT 1 year ago
@tsafa1 Do you have M44, If you do then don't even try because they had the pin in there, must remove the small pin in order to remove bayonet!!! M44 if you remove the bayonet, then your gun is shooting very loudsy!!! Must have Bayonet up in order to shoot right (Again, Russian engineer!)
CharlieDoan 1 year ago
@tsafa1 Mine fit when I first got it, it was tight so I tooka dremel to it and it made it much smoother, I have also heard of people polishing them up with a dremel and that was the only way they would work.
tallpaleandugly 1 year ago
@tsafa1 You can grind it down to get it on there if you are just collecting but if you are shooting it then don't do it because even the slightest wabble will disrupt the harmonics of your barrel basically you can't put it on there if you plan on shooting it.
gunsmith93 8 months ago
I thought the bolt on the mosin-nagant was simpler than this.....
pzshi 2 years ago
dude thank so much for your videos they helped me alot with the gun most of all the bolt checking every thing and making sure the firing pin is done right thanks again man.
cBFCs 2 years ago
Can anyone please answer this question please? I just bought a 91/30 and heard that they are sighted in the factory with bayonet fixed. The question is, my front sight is about a millimeter or less askewed to the right in it's "seat". Should it be that way or flush seated in the front sight mechanism? Was wondering if I should tap it into place or leave it due to the fixed bayonet pre-sighting. Thanks for anyone's help!
Deutsche22 2 years ago
the 91/30 is not sighted in with the bayonet fixed. that would be the m44 carbine.
lawlpally 2 years ago
Thank you kindly. I guess I'll have to take it to the range and see if all of my rounds are to the right or left and fix the front sight... also check with and without bayonet fixed.
Deutsche22 2 years ago
sounds good. i haven't seen it, so i can't say for sure, but it's possible it's already set right. i've had a few guns that looked like the sights would be waaaaay off. but they weren't. bayonet will make a difference on some. on m44 carbines it can make up to a foot of change at 100 yards. and then on some you can shoot with or without and experience no change.
lawlpally 2 years ago
Can't thank you enough... nice to know we can all help each other. I'll try it at the range. I've been shooting for 17 years and got the trophy at Ft. Knox out of 151 soldiers (hit all 40 with the M-16) so I'll know if it's messed up. Just not so familiar with the 91/30 sighting... Again, thank you very much and best wishes!
Deutsche22 2 years ago
Mine came with the front sight slightly off to the right too. The gun shoots straight though. I would go the range and check how it shoots before you start adjusting the sight.
tsafa1 1 year ago
I agree....shoot it before you adjust anything.
Iraqveteran8888 1 year ago
Thanks! Great video!!!
Deutsche22 1 year ago
Hey tsafa1, thank you very much, really appreciate it! If your sight is to the right too, it's probably supposed to be. Will be going to the range soon...
Deutsche22 1 year ago
I noticed something else while examining the rifle. There is a crude scratch made on the front sight that runs from the top piece to the bottom piece. On mine that scratch lines up perfectly with the sight off to the left. You will also see a similar scratch on firing pin adjusting screw at the rear of the bold. The scratch runs through the screw slot. That is where is firing pin was determined in its optimal position so it hits the primer but not puncture it. Very cool simple adjusting measure.
tsafa1 1 year ago
Man, you are an analyst! I noticed that scratch line on the firing pin adjusting screw and didn't know if it was a flaw. Thanks a million!
Deutsche22 1 year ago
@tsafa1 mine is slightly to the left
RaziMob 1 year ago
Mine too. It is only a very small difference for the front sight. If you mean you bolt screw is slightly left of the scratch, use the tool with the circle to check how far the pin sticks out. Use the middle two notches. It should touch the second notch but not the third. You will find videos on You Tube that demonstrates this.
tsafa1 1 year ago
@tsafa1 on my 91/30s (i have 3) there is a stamped line on the muzzle side of the front sight and on the sight base. those stamped lines should line up to make one line. i have heard that on some modles there are not lines, but there ore triangles, ccircles, etc.
TheShooter028 1 year ago
good stuff got mine today, cleaned it to the bone, one thing u can comment is for people having problems moving the bolt, I see in your video you it looks like you twisted it easy at 1:33, your spring must not have been as strong as a regular mosin which is a good thing, they are too strong a simple way to ease the bolt movement in the gun is to shorten the spring but cutting off a link
zokizoran 2 years ago
What you are speaking of is covered in my "making your mosin rock:" series.
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
man i am scared to shoot mine. my firing pin is sticking out quite a bit and the last thing i need is for to punture the bullet and send it into my face! i think i need a new bolt cause mine is an original m44
tokorev747777 2 years ago
Just adjust the firing pin....did you get a firing pin protrusion gauge?
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
nope. never got it
tokorev747777 2 years ago
@tokorev747777
Give me a day or two and I can find measure it on the gauge or look it up and see what the optimal protrusion is.
You can always use a digital caliper as well.
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
i don't think i even think i have one of thoughs
tokorev747777 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this video! you do such a great job on all your videos they are all so very helpful i finally got my 1944 Mosin Nagant rifle a few weeks ago and i was having trouble with the bolt and after watching this video and taking it apart it works better! Now all i need to do is clean out the excess cosmoline in the chamber :D
LDXaborg 2 years ago
omg im so glad i found this vid, i was messing around with my m44 and the bolt fell apart, this video save my life haha
AtomicCheesegod 2 years ago
im trying to find the right mix of shellac colors to perfectly duplicate the nagant stocks as they were origionally made
megadeth22885 2 years ago
to remove the firing pin. i believe youre supposed to use the long forked piece that comes off the bolt.. believe its called the connector.. the forked piece fits onto the front of the firing pin and it twists right off
megadeth22885 2 years ago
You can do that. Not really necessary though.
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
hey.. do you how i can replicate the finish on my mosin nagant?.. perhaps how to get the right shade of red? will garnet shellac work or was some sort of stain used prior to the shellac finish?... if so, do you have any recipes for the right shade?.. i have a nagant in need of a complete refinish, and im also considering refinishing my dining room table to look just like the stock of a mosin nagant
megadeth22885 2 years ago
This is a question for my buddy Chad.
I will ask him to get on here and help you with that the next time I talk to him.
He uses some special stock dye to get that color. There is actually a formula that uses Beeswax that works wonderful.
He is working on a Finn M91 stock for me right now that is looking very nice....not to mention very close to the original finish.
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
I agree for everything you say my friend. it's a very helpful for us. thank you and God bless.
ianstpeter 2 years ago
THANKS A BUNCH!!! God bless you for your service!
onthejon55 2 years ago 2
ive taken my bolt apart twice now....no way i could tell you how i got it back together....im def linking to this vid. thanks man
wickedwd5000 2 years ago
ive got to agree with you on the bolt assembly, awkward very awkward.
wesdawg84 2 years ago
well the k31 bolts are made so well because they didnt make nearly as many as the mosin nagants. i think the k31 bolts would have marks and burrs if over 10 million were made.
baconator490 2 years ago
It's not meant to be a comment bashing the Russians in any wany, it's just to show a point that quality always drops when production numbers ramp up to meet higher demands.
To us it may be common sense, but some people don't get it so thats why I mentioned it.
Would the Swiss turn out anything they consider to be subpar? One can only speculate, but I would say that they would not because it isn't in their character.
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
Great video!
+1 on the millions made.
I collect them left and right. One of the funnest things to do is compare the machining of the bolt on pre-war versus wartime guns.
luftwaffles1000 2 years ago
my mauser bolt seems more complicated to me
assaultrecon28 2 years ago
I can see where people might gather that.
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
the m44 also is a gun that was a remade gun out of a 91/30 just shortend they where remade out of the 91/30
awesome100012 2 years ago
the russians had to arm millions of men. the k 31 was made to arm a smaller country with a smaller army. for the money one of the best military rifles u can buy
thebrowncow007 2 years ago
I agree...
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
if i use corrosive ammo should I disassemble the bolt and wipe it down with no, 77 muzzle magic cleaner then dry it than apply oil like wd40 to it?
what would be the stuff I need to clean the bolt using corrosive ammo?
112bread112 2 years ago
use windex with ammonia, it nuetralizes the salts from the corrosive primer.
airman01991 2 years ago
good video this bolt is hard to get disassembled and put back togather
stang0711 2 years ago
They can be a little tricky, but no prolbme once you get the hang of it.
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
Great vid, Thanks.
jones4015 2 years ago
Hey bro. Good vid but one thing.... Those slots are cut not for firing pin protrusion but to make sure theres proper alignment so the locking lug can slide on. If the screw is not ligned up with the slots then you cant get the guide rod type of thing back on that the lug is onto. You'll see what I mean if its crooked. On my 91/30 the firing pin is backing out about the length of the tip of my index finger nail for proper protrusion. Good vid man.
Dp908 2 years ago
In the arsenal, the bolt is set to the proper firing pin protrusion then a line is cut across the back for reference. What you are referring to is just a good side bonus of that fact. If the pin is set too deep you will be to tell by looking at the back...same thing if it pokes out too far. Some firing pins will have cut marks on them and some will not...It just depends on protrusion. I'd be willing to bet your 91/30 has a line through the firing pin.
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
No line through the firing pin, but it is slotted for the multi-tool or screwdriver. I have two mosins, on my m44 my firing pin has to be screwed in deeper, and my 91/30 sticks out a little bit. The cut slot on the back of the firing to kind of turn it into a scew is still lined up with the lines cut on the back of the striker knob. I can get pics if you want.
Dp908 2 years ago
I believe you for sure. These weapons were produced in war time and you never know what you'll with them. To an extent, I'm sure they pretty much had to come up with things as they went along. If I had to guess, both of our theories have a considerable amount of accuracy.
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
mine was a exdragoon it also has the name of the guy who used it. he also scraches small swastikas on the butt of the rifle, each time he gets a kill.
88pie88 2 years ago
"typical swiss quality" well...... the swiss have been fortunate enough to not have had to fight any wars since gunpowder was invented, so...... they have plenty of time to finish their handiwork. on the other hand, the russians beat the sh&t out of the nazis with these nasty guns. i take my hat off to the russians who did what was necessary and nothing more, and as a result pushed the nazi's all the way back to berlin where USA could claim victory in one puny battle.
vutEwa 2 years ago
You took me the wrong way, but if you want to go there, the Finns handed Russia there asses using M91s and M39s that were modified to their standards. The standard Russian M9130 was not good enough to meet their standard so they made improvements but replacing the barrels, stocks, sights, etc.
They were dealing with wartime manufacturing with very little help from anyone else. All the other Countries were too pansy to help the brave Finns!!
The Germans and Americans had well made rifles...
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
My comment was directed towards the stigma Americans have about referring to the Russians like they are some kind of back-woods illiterate barbarians with cold hearts. I'm American but just defending the Russians who we tend to forget had the tenacity to endure the war long enough to hand over to us an easy victory. If it wasn't for their scrappy and base approach to getting the job done, we might all be doing goose steps barking out in german.
vutEwa 2 years ago
If I sounded like a was talking down to Russia engineering I didnt mean to. I love Combloc weaponry!
We're also lucky that the Finns handed Russia their asses so they could learn the harsh lessons they needed to learn to put an ass kickin on the nazis. The Finns taight Russia winter warfare the hard way!
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
my friend...if it wasn't for the United States creating a Western front in Europe the Russians would have also been doing goose steps...it works both ways my friend....and besides, the united states held 75% of the world's gold reserves, owned the largest manufacturing empire in the world, and was the first to invent the Atomic bomb...no one was going to stop the Americans. But yes the Russians did sacrifice quality for quantity in producing their rifles, but in their defense, it worked!
Ytown08 2 years ago
Again...Not knocking their methods...They did what they had to do and bravely I might add...
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
im confused when your talking about the "gauge" and "primer" buisness... for just disassembling it and cleaning it, do i have to worry about that?
4initialD 2 years ago
You could in theory count the number of rotations you make and insure you assemble with the exact same number of turns...and yes its important unless you want a bunch of hot gas blown into your face.
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
i think i did it right, there's a line as if someone purpose carved it there on the back of the bolt and the screw is a little off but they are pretty much vertical would that mean i did it right? how could i tell if i did something wrong? wear glasses and shoot a round from the hip? lol
4initialD 2 years ago
Just make sure the firing pin is flush with the rear of the cocking piece and that the line carved into both is generally straight and you should be fine.
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
great job- i just posted a complete breakdown of an m44 myself- while i didnt go into that much detail, i went thru the same stuff you did. now that you mention it, the bolt is a wonder of its own... ive never bothered to question the reasoning of that massive firing pin or the complicated nature of it. 5 stars though- having a cameraman hepls too!
sweetmacaque 2 years ago
Thanks for the compliments. Your video is good too...Only thing that surprised me is that you didn't do the obligatory checking of the weapon for rounds. No biggie though...If a person doesn't have that much sense, they don't need to own a weapon. The bolt design is pretty cool, it's typical com bloc...designed to work everytime.
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
its called hollywood magic- i broke it down and reassembled it several times before the actual filming took place, and i had all 4 rounds on the table in front of me. just a lil fyi- when i removed the magazine box, the spring wouldve ejected all the bullets, if there even was any in there. it would be a shame for me to care so much about my gun but not know the most cardinal rule of gun safety. for future reference- just because you dont see it doesent mean it didnt happen.
sweetmacaque 2 years ago
I know what you're getting at. I've done the same thing. It's just always a good idea to practice good clearing techniques when dealing with people other than yourself. Some idiot on here could blow a hole in their wall and try to blame you for not "showing them the proper way to clear the weapon"
You don't know what people are capable of!
I still think that if somebody can't properly clear a weapon for cleaning, they don't have any business owning it. I'm not referring to you....
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
EXCELLENT PRESENTATION WELL DONE!
zachau 2 years ago
Thanks...Hopefully these videos will get better and better. Looking to go HD soon or at least upgrade to a better camera. The donations are helping.
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
Incredibly complicated for a monkey!
You also failed to mention the slot cut alignment also requires the screw to be as flush as possible with the back surface!
Good vid though.
DieselBenz 2 years ago
The slot cut alignment you refer to is a good reference point. When they assembled the bolts in the factory, firing pin protrusion was adjusted then a cut was placed over the back of the bolt and firing pin iteself so the solder could have a reference point for reassembly. You CAN assemble it wrong and have either inadequate or excessive protrusion. Common sense has to come into play a little bit. When you take something apart you should always pay attention to everything you are doing
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
Sako still makes half a dozen designs patterned after the Mosin and yeah, the Finns used Mosin as their sniper of choice until the late 90's.
Also, I think Tula makes a modern repro of the Mosin. It shoots quite well from what I have read. I can't seem to find the article, but to give you an idea of what it looks like; it looks a kin to the Finnish M76 match rifle.(also based on the Mosin)
The are fairly hard to find here in the states, although you may see one on occasion.
Elementlmage 2 years ago
I've never understood how anyone can think the Mosin bolt is complicated. Yeah, the physics are a bit complicated and the design looks almost insane, but the assembly process couldn't be simpler.
Elementlmage 2 years ago
It is when you consider the designs on others of the era and number of rifles that were produced. How many modern hunting rifles do you see patterned after the Mosin?
I think it would be an interesting idea....BTW...In Finland...one of their current sniper rifles design still incoropates Mosin Recievers made in the late 1800s!
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
Is it true that the Mosin Nagant bolt is the cheapest to make than of all other rifles used in both world wars?
GHGloomy 2 years ago
Well if you mean cheap in the sense of the labot they had yes...In terms of actual raw resources I'm sure it comes out on top in the "cheap" factor.
When you consider the millions of lives lost holding the weapon, you have to wonder what the word "cheap" means at that point.
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
I agree, for whatever weapons that the soldiers have used to fight with, they are priceless. Because to them, the weapon itself are like a pal fighting side by side with them. Thus, whether the weapon is cheap or not, the friendly relationship between the user and weapon can not be measured by money.
Thank you for the video and answering my question, I think I should get one of these models.
GHGloomy 2 years ago
Exactly...I look at them as parts of history. While there is a certain monetary factor involved in the different models, every should one one of each and preserve their stories. If they could only talk!
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
thanks for the video - I hadn't taken the bolt apart to the firing pin yet but did after watching your video.
bkdurham 2 years ago
Glad it helped...
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
it was made by phesants that were pressed into service for the country against their will. They were made to be used for an undertrained soldiers. beauty was never a consideration. All they wanted was to be able to shoot a bullet. They had a shortage of weapons several times in history and that adds to the sloppy production. Germans had a pride that was not there for the conscript red army. It is like comparing Picasos paintings to colorbooks.
disneyland1980 2 years ago
Those "undertraining" soldiers just happened to give Nazi Germany a swift kick in the ass...
There's your colorbooks....
I agree with you though...I'm just goofing with you.
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
I would like to think that they had help and could not have gotten the job done without us :)
disneyland1980 2 years ago
sure... :)
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
I think they won their side of the war by throwing 23,000,000 bodies at the German War Machine...
Hubscharber 2 years ago
Yeah something about 23,000,000 men (and women) is hard to argue with!
Russia did get their asses handed to them by Finland though, which is how they learned the "hard lessons" to defeat Germany!
If they had not fought with Finland before Germany, the War may have turned out slightly different!
Iraqveteran8888 2 years ago
I didnt know birds could build guns.... (Peasants)
I agree.. The mosin was built to be used by the most stupid of villagers and not have to worry about it exploding in their face or having it jam.. despite all the problems they had They still won out in the end.. which kinda goes to show, you can have the most adequately supplied army and most well trained of soldiers..and still get your ass handed to you by Gorillas..
Kyesukemaru 2 years ago
also.. if i remember right.. stalin had a "Super human gorrilla hybrid army" as one of his hair-brained insanity plans..
if that had worked... You really would have fallen to a bunch of gorillas.. how would you tell? The nazis would have had banana peels on their remains.
on a tad easier note:
You can also remove the Firing pin by using the bolt slider to unscrew it.. just place the pin in between the prongs and turn....easier on the ol hands..
Thanks for the vid ^^ My m91/10 is now cleaner..
Kyesukemaru 2 years ago
just be careful when doing it like this becasue if you get to the end the firing pin will shoot across the room and stick in the wall if your not ready :) not easier in my book
disneyland1980 2 years ago
I know, That was one of my main fears.. what ive told friends over and over Never take out the pin unless your absolutely ready otherwise itll turn into a missile and Shoot through the walls.. and it was a pain in the ass to get back together, or rather a pain in the hands.. but eventually it went back together..
Kyesukemaru 2 years ago
Funny made by "birds" Spell check is a requirement for some of us. I have a FFL03 and collect them because my great Grandparents were some of those forced to give up thier land and work in the factories before they escaped and came to the USA
disneyland1980 2 years ago
nah, Spell check is something I prefer to just leave be.. Im not big on it, but every once in awhile I come across a funny one and just have to point it out... jokingly anyway..
My great grans were in the service. Although I have problems with certain parts of my grams story of their military career.. I do have 1 piece of evidence.. The pistol that was left behind is a M19 Ruby... other then that I have no real clue on what service they fought in or for..
Kyesukemaru 2 years ago
thank you for fighting for our country!!!
gibbonslayer4 3 years ago