JFK Assassination Why Badgeman Is not real In the Mary Moorman photograph

[SUSSTURUCU]

MAYBE SOMEONE HAD FİRED TO PRESiDENT FROM BOOK DEPOSİTORY..

BUT THİS DOES NOT MEAN THAT OSWALD WAS MURDER OF JFK...

MAYBE ANOTHER SECRET GUNMAN WAS İN THE BOOK DEPOSİTORY..

OR SECRET GUNMAN WAS İN THE DAL-TEX BUİLDİNG..

OR MAYBE HE WAS FROM CROWDED AND HE OR SHE USED THE GUN SHAPED PHOTO CAMERA..

WE KNOW NOTHİNG..

THİS ASSASSİNATİON LOOKS LİKE TO FUCKİNG PUZZLE..

AND I ALWAYS WONDER THAT WHERE WERE DAVİD FERRİE and JACK RUBBY AT ASSASSİNATİON DAY ??

[hybridmcgee]

He is standing further back and on a car. Oh yeah, I completely forgot: there was no second shooter, which is why everyone went running over to that spot and all say that is where the shots came from. No effort needed to suck this bad anymore when you can spend 3 minutes producing 4 and-a-half minutes of more B.S. How professional, plus it uses the magic of computers... Retarded.

[jaroncreed]

lol BULL FUCKING SHIT did they go down there and find out more details? The fence is short so who says he wasn't kneeling on something? Does he not think????

[ProjectFlashlight612]

This is all HORSESHIT. Even if people are looking for human images in a blur like this, the chances of that blur producing an image of a COP FIRING A RIFLE FROM BEHIND THE FENCE - an image that is in the exact right place at the exact right moment - by random chance is in the trillions to one. This 'debunking' also ignores Hardhatman AND Gordon Arnold, both again in the right spots. They tried to debunk the Dictabelt evidence, too - a 2003 rescan INCREASED the chances of a knoll shot to *98%*

[cunnidvd]

As a conspiracy believer myself it is amazing to me that others do not accept clear objective analysis of the "evidence". These people can never accept an objective truth. I never saw badgeman anyway. That does not mean there was no shooter behind the fence. Several witnesses saw a shooter and or a puff of smoke. The total evidence strongly suggests more than one shooter. And though he was likely somehow involved Oswald was not a shooter.

[indystang]

he was sanding on a bumper of a car or the base of the fence

[tabletalk33]

We already know that somebody was behind the fence shooting at JFK. Gunsmoke was seen by eye witnesses coming from there. The police went up behind the fence and confronted men who were impersonating Secret Service agents. The police should not have taking their ID at face value and should have taken them in for questioning. Maybe the analyst is looking at the wrong area. What of the others?

[Exiles800]

Don't look at that CIA man in shooter's glasses with police uniform and muzzle flash behind the curtain...

[cruisersism]

This Evil LBJ statement WE believe refers to the murder of JFK

"It is the Melancholy law of human societies to be compeled sometimes to chose a great evil in order to ward off a greater evil"

YOU want to see a guilty MAN? check this out , = LBJ coments on JFK assasination 1969.wmv

LBJ Evil joke about JFK

"I told? him that morning at breakfast...Son, I'm afraid this just ant' your day. Your going to the morgue and I'm going back to the White House"

[scorpio888]

This video really is pseudo-debunking sh!t.

Badgeman is VERY clear in many high-resolution, sufficiently-lightened copies of Moorman's photo -- as are the three men with him, two of whom are looking over his shoulder at the shot he's delivering to JFK.

There is no question of it. Unlike this "gee, I don't think we can really see anything" tone of this LN documentary.

[LiarsNightmare]

5 words: Get the fuck outta here

[myfriendangel1]

i said it for yrs lee oswald did not fire a gun that day a nitrate test proved it and as a gulf war vet .i can tell you if a person fires a gun they will have some residue on there person .

[supportme123]

Also, forgive a stupid question, but would it not have been simpler just to go to Dallas and measure the retaining wall with a tape measure??

[docshrinker]

Lee Bowers did not reveal what he witnessed in it's entirety out of fear. You CAN get it by YouTubeing 'WALTER RISCHEL'. He was Lee and his brothers best friend. This is MUST SEE for any researcher.

[docshrinker]

The shooter was standing on a cars bumper. That's what the footprints found by The Rail yard employees with Holland showed and what the individuals described by Bowers were doing.

[me1570]

anybody got anymore dubunking videos?

[smittysturn]

If badgeman is bent at the waist and using the wall as a platform, which any sniper would do, then this little experiment means nothing.

[smithpm81]

or its a person on their knees??????? jeepers why are all "experts" so lacking in common sense?

[ricotermonen]

at 1:12 I see something to the right of Badgeman that looks like a man with a moustache. exactly one of that same white squares on the screen to the right. I can see that figure better than Badgeman and the length of the person would be more real I think. But it's all guessing here with those leaves in sight.

[ROROSMACHINE]

Polaroid photographs lack detail and frequently display size distortions deep in the still....More CIA money hard at work funding the Posner types.... Imagine that you the tax payer are indirectly funding this continuous stream of disinformation...

[elvisworldwide]

The fact that so-called "badge man" is potentially pictured behind the retaining wall and not behind the picket fence - means that he would have had a hell of a time moving from the wall (shooter's perch) and escaping to an area behind the fence - and onward.

[elvisworldwide]

What's left out is the fact that so-called "badge man" is not standing, leaning, kneeling behind the iconic picket fence, but "possibly pictured" behind the 5-foot retaining wall. This wall is seen in the Zapruder film as Zapruder panned to the right, short seconds after the head shot. Nobody is seen there or running away from there. Also, the 5 foot wall Zapruder stood on made the camera angle almost 10 feet high. He never recounted a rifle shot coming from 20 feet down away to his right.

[Verdelufe]

REPEATING THE VIDEO OF " BADGE MAN AT GRASSY KNOLL"

It's been proved that this so called Badgeman "DOES NOT EXIST"

HE HEAD IS TOO SMALL comparing with human heads in the plaza.

NEW IMAGE IN THE VIDEO OF 2 MEN WITH A RIFLE is being analyzed

right now if you identify these 2 persons please post it.

If we do not have at least 10 comments confirming the 2 men.

I photoghrafy expert will be need. Go to the video mention above

and take your own conclusions. Thanks !

[TrueNovice]

@Verdelufe Most of the belief in the gunman on the knoll is based on the sworn testimony of police officers who rant to the parking lot behind the knoll and met men who falsely identified themselves as Secret Service agents. Who they really were and why they falsely identified themselves has never been told. The cops were led to believe they had actually encountered real Secret Service agents by the WC, and were not awre of the controversy until decades later.

[Verdelufe]

@TrueNovice Did you go to "BADGE MAN AT GRASSY KNOLL"

to identify the 2 men & a rifle.

Put pause at 5:04 you will see a cowboy hat with the

tip of the rifle at his cheek, another man on his left

on a lower position leaning the rifle on the fence.

AT THE TOP RIGHT CORNER on the clip.

If you Identify them please post it.

If we do not get at least 10 positive comments

we might have to refer to a photographic experts.

NO MORE TESTIMONY!!! NOW IS REAL PHOTO PROOF!!!

[TrueNovice]

Doe this really work? Was there a control group? It would be interesting to know if someone was really there and a photo was taken with a BW polaroid camera whether these photo experts would detect evidence of human activity. The HSCA analyzed photos of the TSBD "Oswald's alleged sniper's window, right before the shots, and could find no evidence of human activity. I guess that means the shots didn't come from there?

[Verdelufe]

@TrueNovice  Please go to " BADGE MAN AT GRASSY KNOLL"

[TheParanormalFootage]

Why is he measuring height? Badgeman could be leaning or kneeling! Very likely if he has a rifle. The only thing that this guy has proved is his lack of common sense.

[Verdelufe]

@TheParanormalFootage  Please go to "BADGE MAN AT GRASSY KNOLL"

[pat442389]

@TheParanormalFootage also theres multiple reports of muddy footpints on the fence, on some of the cars bumpers and hoods. so the sniper could have laid across the hood of a car

[LoneNutter1]

@pat442389 What reports are these? Where did you find them? I'd like to read them too.

[pat442389]

@LoneNutter1 well theyve been reported by witnesses. i think one of them is named wesley frazier. all of the railroad workers near the triple underpass who ran over to the knoll said they saw muddy footprints. ill look it up and get back 2 u in a couple hours

[LoneNutter1]

@pat442389 Get back to me on that. Find out who Wesley Frazier is too. I'd like to know the name of the document that gives the information about the muddy prints on the cars parked behind the fence.

[cunnidvd]

@TheParanormalFootage Actually that is all that you have proven of yourself.

[MYERZ08]

An Eye witness saw "badgeman" on that day, he is standing off to the left of the photo as you look at it, also, there is no mention in this "analysis" of "construction man" who is stood of to "badgeman" left......... im just sayin

[Verdelufe]

@MYERZ08 Please go to " BADGE MAN AT GRASSY KNOLL"

[LoneNutter1]

@MYERZ08 who was this eyewitness who saw Badgeman?

[nbkid]

@LoneNutter1 --Gordon Arnold --- his testimony is on utube -- just type it in on the search

[LoneNutter1]

@nbkid Gorden Arnold is the person who said he was on the Grassy Knoll and heard/felt the bullet fired from Badgeman go past his ear. He then claimed that immediately after the shot, Badgeman climbed over the fence and started kicking him and demanding he surrender the film in his camera. Arnold siad he gave him the film and the camera. Look at the famous photo by Mary Moorman which was taken the moment the president was hit by the 3rd bullet. This picture also contains the alleged "Badgeman".

[LoneNutter1]

@nbkid The presence of Badgeman is in serious doubt. He'd have to be either very short (30 inches high) or standing on a step ladder 16 feet high in the middle of the parking lot by the railroad lot. Unfortunately, Gorden Arnold isn't in the shot either. He's not anywhere in the picture. He should be, but he's not.

The credibility of Gorden Arnold is very poor. I would not rely on what he said he saw because I don't believe he was in Dealey Plaza that day.

[nbkid]

@LoneNutter1 --- Nah --- its only in doubt for those who believed JFK was shot with a six dollar rifle with a plastic scope - and who want to stick with the official story. If you google "mary mooreman colorized mary mooreman photo' there is one that comes up where you can even see the two railroad workers -- one standing on each side of him. If you can't see that there are three people there on the photo -- then then there is no need for me to try and convince you --- to each his own.

[LoneNutter1]

@nbkid

It's an amazing bit of strange behavior you and the rest of the conspiracy theorists engage in. You deny the existence of one thing and substitute it with something that didn't happen and call it truth. Then you expect everyone to agree with you and demand they see the same things you do and intrepret it the same way. If the world fails to agree, they're attacked, insulted or accused of being part of the cover-up. If you see Gorden Arnold in the Mooreman photo let me know where he is.

[nbkid]

@LoneNutter1 --- I dont portend to prove to you that Gordon Arnold was there. I dont expect you to agree -- I have not attacked you..........insulted you or accused you of the coverup. I am not saying he is even in the photo. Obviously he is not. However -- there are three people there and the colorized version is hard to argue with -- at least with what I see. Lee Bowers said -- and he was on the other side of the fence --- "something unusual happened there." If you dont think so, fine

[LoneNutter1]

@nbkid Lee Bowers had the best view of the railroad parking lot/picket fence/grassy knoll and he didn't see anybody back there during the shooting. Nine forensic patholigists for the HSCA examined the autopsy report/photos and xrays and all nine of them agreed that there is no medical evidence to support  shots that struck JFK came from the front or right side. Both shots struck him from above and behind. Look at the Zapruder film and you'll see his head get driven forward. The reaction of back

[nbkid]

@LoneNutter1 Whatever you think happened is fine with me. I've viewed the zapruder film more than i care to document. HSCA concluded there was a conspiracy and more than one shooter. I've hunted for many years and have never seen a deer lunge toward me when I shoot. As far as Lee Bowers ---- and others who concluded something happened there; Lee Bowers stuff is on You tube -- says he saw it. Like i said -- i have no need or want to convince you. I'll go with their observations.

[LoneNutter1]

@nbkid I've never seen a deer lunge toward me whaen I shoot either. But I know the exit hole is a much bigger than the entrance hole. The hole we seen in JFK's head on the third shot is an exit hole. The particulate matter covered John and Nellie Connolly as well as the Greer and Kellerman. This is supporting evidence the shot came from behind.

[nbkid]

@LoneNutter1 ---- ok --evidence - then Warren Comm 6H294 says this from cop behind JFK.

Mr. STERN. Did something happen to you, personally in connection with the shot you have just described?

Mr. HARGIS. Yes; when President Kennedy straightened back up in the car the bullet him in the head, the one that killed him and it seemed like his head exploded, and I was splattered with blood and brain, and kind of a bloody water. It wasn't really blood. (6H294

NOW -- show me GREER evidence

[LoneNutter1]

@nbkid and to the left is a result of the trauma inflicted on the brain and a muscular spazam results. The back muscles are much stronger than those of the chest and stomach. This is why he lurches backwards. Hollywood has shown people, when shot, as being propelled away from the direction of the shot. This does not happen in real life.

People have drawn conclusions as to what happend based on what they see. They think he gets shot from the front but he wasn't. But what we see isn't necessarily

[nbkid]

@LoneNutter1 --- I'm fine with your thoughts on the assassination. But I don't agree with yours. Lets leave it at that.

[LoneNutter1]

@nbkid proof or evidence of what happened. That's why we rely on science to examine the particulars of the event to provide an explanation of what happened.

The tiresome conspiratorial obsession some people have about the events in Dallas borders on lunacy. Serious accusations of a crime have been levied against persons where no evidence exists! Plots, killings, cover-ups, conspiracies run rampent through fetile immaginative minds. Scores of different theories involving different groups,

[nbkid]

@LoneNutter1 --- I have all the proof I need for my conclusion. Thanks for your version.

[LoneNutter1]

@nbkid different people with different motives have been paraded about. Yet, how can all of them be right?

They've even gone so far as to fabricate "evidence" in a desparate attempt to prove something happened that didn't and to prove something that didn't happen, did.

The Mooreman photo was taken with a Poloroid. It was a camera that sacrificed the quality of a photo for the benefit of enjoying the picture sooner. After you took the picture, pulled the special tab and pulled the unique

[nbkid]

@LoneNutter1 --- yes, i'm sure that lowly citizens do this all the time -- and the government doesn't.

[LoneNutter1]

@nbkid developing package through the internal rollers that activated the devoping chemicles, waited the minute or so to let the picture develop, it was recommended a specail gel be applied to the picture to help preserve it. The gel was not applied to the Moorman photo. Nineteen years later, Gary Mack gets the idea someone could be on the knoll. Bagdeman is born from a nineteen year old Poloroid that cracked and faded. The resolution of the print is terrible. When enlarged the images fall apart

[nbkid]

@LoneNutter1 --- not on the pics i've seen. They dont fall apart --- they come together.

[LoneNutter1]

@nbkid A colorized picture emerges a few years later and to the surprise of the conspiracy theorists, we see images of people in the picture! How did that happen?

It's called "doctoring the picture" or "fudging the photo". There's nobody there. Bowers said he didn't see anybody. Jean Hill (before she changed he story years later) said she didn't see anybody. Arnold emerges years later and he says not only did he see Badgeman but he heard the bullet wizz by his ear and Badgeman came over the

[nbkid]

@LoneNutter1 Jean Hill Testimony to Warren Commission; /

Mr. SPECTER - Then what happened on the scene?

Mrs. HILL - I ran across the street.

Mr. SPECTER - To the

Mrs. HILL - Other side.

Mr. SPECTER - North side of Elm Street?

Mrs. HILL - That's right. I saw a man up there running, or getting away or walking away or something--I would say he was running.

Mr. SPECTER - Where was that man when you first saw him?

Mrs. HILL - -- right up on the slope at the top of the slope.

[LoneNutter1]

@nbkid You neglected to post her testimony when she was asked if she saw anyone with a gun and she said "No".

Tell the entire story in the future.

[nbkid]

@LoneNutter1 -- i am not saying it was the shooter. Just helping you with the part that she saw someone.

[nbkid]

@LoneNutter1 -- Lee Bowers to Warren Commision - on whether he saw someone at the picked fence.

Mr. BOWERS - No; he left the motorcade and came up the incline on the motorcycle.

Mr. BALL - Was his motorcycle directed toward any particular people?

Mr. BOWERS - He came up into this area where there are some trees, and where I had described the two men were in the general vicinity of this.

Mr. BALL - Were the two men there at the time?

Mr. BOWERS - I--as far as I know, one of them was.

[LoneNutter1]

@nbkid Look at what you posted! Bowers can't say for certain he saw anybody. His testimony was vague.

[nbkid]

@LoneNutter1 == I agree --- just helping you with the part that you said he saw no one.

Union Terminal track supervisor Richard C. Dodd added that “there were tracks and cigarette butts laying where someone had been standing on the bumper looking over the fence.”

[nbkid]

@LoneNutter1 -- on this one -- i will agree with you. There is no evidence that Arnold was there other than his testimony.

[LoneNutter1]

@nbkid Thank you. And your civility is appreciated!

[LoneNutter1]

@nbkid fence, kicked him and demanded the film from his camera. Arnold says he gave Badgeman the film and the camera. Huh?? People really believe this guy??

If you believe there was a conspiracy to kill JFK that's your right to do so. It's a free country.

But I would ask that you apply the same level of scepticism to the "theories" as you do with the Warren Report.

[nbkid]

@LoneNutter1 ---- I have not mentioned what my theory is on the assassination --- just my belief that there were 3 people behind the fence. You don't believe they are there ---- fine with me.

[IllPropaganda]

Excellent clip!

[Obelisk2290]

its about time jack white's delusion is exposed for the bs it is, White even admits he knows nothing about photogrametry

[IrishStorm1]

Lol. Yeah, right. 1. This guy isn't a doctor of any kind. He's just some delusional fool on an ego trip.

2. Remember the cotradictions at the beginning.

3. Umm! Doesn't even bother to take into account that the assassin is kneeling.

However, this film is entertaining.