I installed Gentoo 3 days or so. Luckly I had a friend on tumblr who is an ace at this sort of thing. I didn't know what USE was. It's crazy but it's been fun. I finally found something I like just as much as Arch... maybe more? I don't know yet it's pretty damn stable though.
it gets to be a pain in the ass to maintain config files and searching the kernel for new drivers for new hardware/recompiling, troubleshooting why some software isn't working correctly due to wrong USE flags and good ol emerge compiling errors with some packages/updates.... etc.... I hope you got alot of time on your hands as you will encounter all this after a few weeks haha. I like Gentoo... but I also like having a life instead of maintaining the OS but I do still like Gen
@Linux4UnMe Thats not so bad I guess. I guess that what is does for me on Ubuntu ever time they release a new kernel. How painful is the process on Gentoo? If I had more time I would dive into it.
it is quite time consuming depending on your level of understanding on how gentoo works.... plus there are other time consuming duties that you need to peform manually to keep gentoo running smoothly like manually maintaining config files that appear everytime you install/update.... they appear rapidly and need manual intervention... (there are some scripts which help the process) Plus researching into USE flags for every app you want to install. I cbf these days :)
Gentoo is cool, but if u want a better gentoo try out FunTOO because it git builds building edge, and gentoo is fucking awesome. yes where i learn alot from... done a 10 / 11 part on my channel.. i focusing on arch, gentoo, freebsd and sticking mainly too.. but the compiler is slow compared to AUR arch compiler
@Linux4UnMe looks to me they are elementary icons ;) i know because i use the statler .. but the default are blue instead of gray .. nay elementary icons are better than faenza .. yup !
I might have want to see what is Gentoo policy on the software they use. Is there Gentoo-specific software like system administration? Do they do any modification to the Desktop Environments or have a visual package manager and so on?
@Linux4UnMe - Oh, so it's like dependencies? What about Calculate Linux Scratch? What do you think of it? Is it just Gentoo core per-configured with USE Flags? Or is it completely different?
Using Debian as my main OS...have Gentoo on a VirtualBox. Taking 2 days to compile Gnome. Sucks having an old Pentium 4 with out virtualizing support :/
no, you don't need USE Flags... but it would defeat the purpose of using Gentoo really.... all that will happen is that programs will install with full features instead of picking/choosing what you want and what you don't want per application
I went from Fedora to Gentoo after a few weeks. It's like being thrown into an ocean and learning to swim on your own with vague instructions from the helicopter that threw you in.
@2m42hy that was totally unnecessary dont you think? The more users we gain to our gentoo community the better. It takes one to know one son. Remember that.
@Linux4UnMe lol mormon i not a english , but i have a realy gentoo ... go read the man f*cking noob and stop make ppor gentoo screencast so bad video , gentoo is not for naab like you go to ubuntu thanks
I can use gentoo just fine thankyou... I still don't know what you are blabbering about... If you wanted to get a point across to me you could have written an intelligent comment to me in a respectful manner.... but you chose to be a troll and be rude with childish insults... so you lose mate. If you can't speak english then don't start petty trolling comments to an english speaker.... or learn to speak english properly so i can understand what the fuck your problem is.
@2m42hy You must be bonkers mate!! I BBQ grill, bake, fondue, fry, and steam naab trollers like you!! Stop calling people noob, before I unleash my inner internet warrior on you... and yes I'm both sarcastic and hypocritical!
In Debian and flavors based on it you can also use 'apt-get source' to get the source code. Make sure you commented the 'deb-src' lines our in /etc/apt/sources.list. Then you can compile your package with flags as well. And I guess an amd64 repository for an amd64 architecture is just as well compiled as on Gentoo with amd64. Its the same source code. The compile flags are very interesting maybe I'll try Gentoo again in the coming weeks. But I don't see the real benefit except the learning curve
kubuntu 11.10. just works and is beautiful to look at. I don't believe in "better" distros - they are just different. No grey synaptic or muon screens with kde though.
now running skulltag and all the old doom files with new textures. So awesome.
i tried fedora kde - but it's fragmented and patchy on my system.
@telemetry9 You should definately do LFS and Gentoo if you feel its not "enough" to suit your choice. If Kubuntu is more than enough for you & your environiment, I salute you!
@Films4You Wrong. If you can show me a version of Windows, that can based upon your choice, rebuild itself and whole software stack exactly to your CPU and your feature choice, I will give you right. Right now, Windows is binary based - and binary based Linux install within 3 Minutes. Calculate Linux comes and works as prebuild Gentoo as well, becase Gentoo offers binary support - and installs itself in 3 Minutes as well, offering common Gentoo possibilites as an option.
you should start coding. Check out bash for the start, perl, python, C, C++ - Im sure you'll learn a lot not only about programming and all the topics related with it but about linux itself.also.
hehe I don't have enough time in a day to learn how to program.... and I don't really have the patience for it either.... i've done some bash scripting in the past
puting the installing/compiling speed aside if gentoo realy optimizes exactly for your system - do U feel any difference between it and arch from a performance prospective?
I mean like: transferring files from one partition to another (windows to linux and contrary) or the ability to multitask smoothly through intensive processes
Excellent Gentoo review; how are you getting on now? I use Gentoo on my laptop because it is optimised for my system; Gentoo has THE best community of any distro.
You come across real decent and down to earth, I enjoy watching this video from time to time because I have a similar perspective towards Gentoo, thanks!
I still prefer Arch. Gentoo may run slightly faster, but the hours upon hours needed to compile and update are such a waste. Updating every single package on my Arch box only takes about 10 minutes, and it still runs faster than distros like Ubuntu.
ArchLInux... Because I like to choose all my own defaults from installation/configuration.... And thanx. Will do... waiting for Mandriva 2011 to get released for a review... few issues with it... hoping it gets stable. cheers
Can't be bothered putting in the time and effort to maintain a Gentoo Sytem... I have better things to do ;) but to each their own.. it was a learning curve I wanted to go through, and I did that for a few months
If it's just a revision (r5 r6 r8, etc) I copy my .config file which might be a little naughty? If it's a version update I do it the paiful way with a printout of what it should be checking and unchecking. I always start with one of "Pappys Kernel Seeds" as a base to save time first though.
@Linux4UnMe Recommending Gentoo to new users is masochism. It's best they start at Debian and learn some command line. I started at Debian, still haven't switched to Gentoo yet, but I think Gentoo would be fun to use.
You can also do the same things with Ubuntu Server. Instead of installing the debs, you just compiling the source code for your programs. See? same thing :)
I am not saying you cannot live without it. But it is necessary if you want your system stripped down to only
the bare essentials with only the features you use. Apt-get can simply not do this.... Gentoo is for Fanatical Geeks Who want to Control everything With USE Flags. I don't use Gentoo anymore these days though
@Linux4UnMe USE Flags is an awesome feature. But, computers are getting cheaper in price and more powerful in hardware. They can handle the default OS nicely.
So the only time I would see my self using it is if I plan on making my own Live CD distro.
@Linux4UnMe I'm just messing with you. I started on Ubuntu, then to Fedora. I felt like I'm not learning enough so I'm switching to Gentoo. Currently installing in Virtual Box to see how I like install it.
The features or can enable or disable are only the optional ones. If you don't add them to your use flags you'll just get the full featured application. It might make a little improvement to bloat and speed setting the use flags but I know plenty of people who don't really bother with them too much. Mine are about a mile long lol
You dont have to watch all that crap compiling. Use -q option for emerge. It will warn you about important stuff anyway. This, cfg-update and parallel package compilation are very good. Way better than arch the breakazoid.
I can hardly uninstall people that have used gentoo for some time and get to know it and then leave it for some reason. If you can get over installation, getting to know portage well (and getting to know kernel, your hw and optimizations) then everything will seem slow compared to gentoo and your sw compiled using icc or gcc -03 --march=core2 --as-needed software that won't use unneeded backends, will save third of ram for KDE / gnome and be really fast compared to binary based distros.
@KriegHeil -o3 is discoraged as it breaks most software. Gentoo is not faster than any other distro unless you time EVERY package and find the ideal use flags and ideal compiler. As phoronix tests have shown there is little to no difference running arch vs ubuntu, they were timed SAME. You will have to dig A LOT if you want gentoo and you should WANT to dig a lot to get all those advantages. Arch is barbarian. Ubuntu is marketoid. Fedora is unstable. Debian less customizable. Pick your gift.
@lin545 Sorry for broken english, when I take a look at my comment I'm scared of myself. Truth is that compiler flags won't do much (and can possibly even slow down system) if those are not wisely used (for example compiling firefox with O3 instead of OS is really dumb as effect is minal and application takes half more RAM). However, -O3 can significantly speed things that use databases (mysql..), python or recursive stuff and iterrations. True power lies in USE flags (and weakness aswell..).
Yes, I understand you. I personally absolutely love gentoo. It lacks centralized system overview though. It is stabilized as well(compare to exherbo). However.
The main portage tree is rock solid. Use flags are both easy and smart on migration. The system is predictable most of the time on upgrade.The flexibility is matched only by LFS.
What it lacks is p2p-based smart binary pool. Yet, it may also bring disadvantages in form of traffic. Dunno, my system of choice for 3 years.
@lin545 binaries shared trough p2p would be nice, but that could be possible risk, just like downloading stuff from torrents is. On the other hand, if there were reliable check sums in portage for all possible USE flag combinations, it could work (in theory). And so then it could apply only to main portage tree (and not to be too hard on resources only to stable packages). But, yes that's a nice idea.
@KriegHeil p2p is not risky. It depends on content. You would definitely need a lot of information - g&l use's, profile, kernel version, but it is do-able and do-able via automation. I think something like this is gona eventually unroll. For example, calculate linux has already provided binary pool, but it is not p2p and not that flexible.
@KriegHeil p2p is not risky. It depends on content. You would definitely need a lot of information - g&l use's, profile, kernel version, but it is do-able and do-able via automation. I think something like this is gona eventually unroll. For example, calculate linux has already provided binary pool, but it is not p2p and not that flexible.
@KriegHeil p2p is not risky. It depends on content. You would definitely need a lot of information - global and local use's, profile, kernel version, but it is do-able and do-able via automation. I think something like this is gona eventually unroll. For example, calculate linux has already provided binary pool, but it is not p2p and not that flexible.
@KriegHeil p2p is not risky. It depends on content. You would definitely need a lot of information - global & local uses, profile, kernel version, but it is do-able and do-able via automation. I think something like this is gona eventually unroll. For example, calculate linux has already provided binary pool, but it is not p2p and not that flexible.
@KriegHeil p2p is not risky. It depends on content. You would definitely need a lot of information - global & local uses, profile, kernel version, but it is do-able and do-able via automation. I think something like this is gona eventually unroll. For example, calculate linux has already provided binary pool, but it is not p2p and not that flexible.
@KriegHeil p2p is not risky. It depends on content. You would definitely need a lot of information - global & local uses, profile, kernel version, but it is do-able and do-able via automation. I think something like this is gona eventually unroll. For example, calculate linux has already provided binary pool, but it is not p2p and not that flexible.
@KriegHeil p2p is not risky. It depends on content. You would definitely need a lot of information - global & local uses, profile, kernel version, but it is do-able and do-able via automation. I think something like this is gona eventually unroll. For example, calculate linux has already provided binary pool, but it is not p2p and not that flexible.
@KriegHeil p2p is not risky. It depends on content. You would definitely need a lot of information - global & local uses, profile, kernel version, but it is do-able and do-able via automation. I think something like this is gona eventually unroll. For example, calculate linux has already provided binary pool, but it is not p2p and not that flexible.
@KriegHeil I think risk is not connected with method of distribution, but with actual content though =) If we have a database holding all attributes required for binary package AND its sha, and this database is autocreated based on official (trusted) builds x Num of that builds there would be no problemo.
@KriegHeil I think risk is not connected with method of distribution, but with actual content though =) If we have a database holding all attributes required for binary package AND its crc, and this database is autocreated based on official (trusted) builds x stats from Num of THAT quality builds, there would be no problemo. It will be a superset of say, debian repo. But it may also be dynamic at s.t.
nice. I havn't ever given Debian a long run... I was thinking of installing Debian 6 when it comes out on a spare drive, or I just might install Testing. see how i go
You're not going to learn anything about 'Linux' by installing Gentoo, you're just going to learn how to use portage. I had the same false assumption when I first installed Gentoo too. I'm not saying you can't learn more about Gnu software and the Linux kernel from Gentoo, but it's not going to jump out at you either.
@TheGNUfan Thanx for your comment, But I disagree. While a person obviously would not learn about Linux to the extent that LFS would teach you.... Installing and Configuring Gentoo Does teach you alot about Linux in the form of What Configuration Files does what..... How it effects the System..... How to Manually Setup your Hardware/Configurations without the System holding your hand... You learn alot about the CommandLine and how to troubleshoot/Fix issues... and how Linux is Setup Overall
That's just it, different distributions don't use the same configuration files. Most don't even use the same command line tools. For example, Gentoo comes with the BSD-style (System V) style boot scripts, while Fedora, Debian, and most of their neighbors use a completely different system as their default. Simply installing Gentoo isn't going to teach you what you want to know.
Configuration files across Different Linux Distro's are very Similiar.... If your cluey enough after learning the ins and outs of Gentoo... Then its not that hard to apply your knowledge to "OTHER" Distro's... Ofcoarse sometimes there are differences... Different names of config files, Different Locations, etc.... I'm not saying that merely "INSTALLING GENTOO" Will teach you All there is to know! But it helps, and learning the ins and outs of the system gives u transferable skills
@Linux4UnMe I've maintained and programmed on a number of different distributions, so I know what I'm talking about. My point is that installing and maintaining a Gentoo system will only teach you how to use portage. The knowledge of Use flags doesn't translate over when you compile on other platforms. Even your C/CCflags will be different, since you're most likely compiling a package to run on several machines. You'd probably learn more by learning how GNU make works.
ok.... I know what you are trying to say... But I think you have a different perspective or interpretation of what I mean..... I have said that I have learned alot from Gentoo.... Alot of what I have learned WILL benefit me even when using other Linux distros.....That is not for Debate..... I understand that what I learn from Portage will not be the same on other systems... that is a no brainer... but before Gentoo... I didn't even know much about compiling.... so I'm glad did
What would you like me to say? that I can't possibly learn anything in gentoo and use that skill in other Linux distro's? that is b.s..... maybe I could argue the point of saying that it will teach me more about how BSD works then? Either way... I have a better understanding of alot of configuration setups....even though it may vary... how to use the commandline....and what to use in the cli... How the Kernel works.... how to diagnose/resolve common problems...... I didn't know alot of this B4
So for you to sit there and tell me I am not learning anything useful when it comes to Linux is garbage in my opinion.... I know I have learned alot.... but I am still learning and will even Move on from Gentoo one day.... But for now... I'm enjoying my Gentoo experience
@TheGNUfan Of course you are going to learn about Linux!!!! All the commands for a start that you would not know of when using a graphical or menu based installer like 99% of the other distros out there. Not to mention how the kernel works and is compiled. I used what I learned about this from Gentoo to compile my Arch kernel.
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spark25x 5 days ago
Gentoo scares me, A LOT!!
When I was still on ubuntu, I tried gentoo... Not a good idea, I was stuck at the live CD FOR HOURS!!!
Then gave up, got to ubuntu again and found arch.
I think arch was much easier, then again, it did take a few tries to get it working, but was still much less scarier than gentoo.
chrnoc 1 week ago
I installed Gentoo 3 days or so. Luckly I had a friend on tumblr who is an ace at this sort of thing. I didn't know what USE was. It's crazy but it's been fun. I finally found something I like just as much as Arch... maybe more? I don't know yet it's pretty damn stable though.
joe4ska 1 week ago
@joe4ska
it gets to be a pain in the ass to maintain config files and searching the kernel for new drivers for new hardware/recompiling, troubleshooting why some software isn't working correctly due to wrong USE flags and good ol emerge compiling errors with some packages/updates.... etc.... I hope you got alot of time on your hands as you will encounter all this after a few weeks haha. I like Gentoo... but I also like having a life instead of maintaining the OS but I do still like Gen
Linux4UnMe 1 week ago
Firefox took me at least 30 minutes KDE... well I left that running for hours.
joe4ska 1 week ago
Using Xubuntu 11.10 here.
upallhours9 1 week ago
Looks a bit messy to be honest..
Live4TheGame1 1 week ago
i am scare about gentoo, but it is the fastest distro tradeoff?
zungaloca 1 week ago
@zungaloca
you will not notice any speed increase in using gentoo vs other distros if you have half decent hardware
Linux4UnMe 1 week ago
What if you buy something new for your computer? You gotta recompile your whole kernel?
RyeinGoddard 1 week ago
@RyeinGoddard
you will need to recompile the correct driver into your kernel for that device.... Yes
Linux4UnMe 1 week ago
@Linux4UnMe Thats not so bad I guess. I guess that what is does for me on Ubuntu ever time they release a new kernel. How painful is the process on Gentoo? If I had more time I would dive into it.
RyeinGoddard 1 week ago
@RyeinGoddard
it is quite time consuming depending on your level of understanding on how gentoo works.... plus there are other time consuming duties that you need to peform manually to keep gentoo running smoothly like manually maintaining config files that appear everytime you install/update.... they appear rapidly and need manual intervention... (there are some scripts which help the process) Plus researching into USE flags for every app you want to install. I cbf these days :)
Linux4UnMe 1 week ago
VLC is probably the best movie player and has ALOT of additional features.
RyeinGoddard 1 week ago
What's better?
VLC or Banshee?
I'm deciding which one to keep to save rootfs space ?
jaymitra95 1 week ago
ALSA :]
ipodpunker 1 week ago
Gentoo is cool, but if u want a better gentoo try out FunTOO because it git builds building edge, and gentoo is fucking awesome. yes where i learn alot from... done a 10 / 11 part on my channel.. i focusing on arch, gentoo, freebsd and sticking mainly too.. but the compiler is slow compared to AUR arch compiler
ipodpunker 1 week ago
Arch or Gentoo?
canitoreyes 1 week ago
3rd time's the charm
jmac217x 1 week ago
Hey, what's the cool icon theme called ? Please tell me :)
friendly greets
WhiteHat
WhiteHatProgramming 2 weeks ago
@WhiteHatProgramming
lol I can't remember man.... i think it's faenza icon theme
Linux4UnMe 2 weeks ago
@Linux4UnMe That's not Faenza, that's sure.
bellicjr 1 week ago
@Linux4UnMe
actually it's Meliae
bayrakus 1 week ago
@Linux4UnMe looks to me they are elementary icons ;) i know because i use the statler .. but the default are blue instead of gray .. nay elementary icons are better than faenza .. yup !
ipodpunker 1 week ago
cool video ;) but i can't install Metasploit do you now why?
crossfire423 2 weeks ago
I saw VLC on descop and I stop watching. Obvious troll is obvious
0kezeko 3 weeks ago
@0kezeko
LoL Wut?
Linux4UnMe 2 weeks ago
@Linux4UnMe
Don't you know GNU+Linux doesn't have VLC?
:)
thepoopfactor 1 week ago
@thepoopfactor
No Idea what you are on about mate....
Linux4UnMe 1 week ago
@Linux4UnMe Just imagine if he is Richard Stallman and you'll know what he means :D
Videotubelord 1 week ago
@thepoopfactor Man, VLC is aviable for GNU/Linux in all the distros out there, including Gentoo.
bellicjr 1 week ago
@thepoopfactor you can install VLC, what's the problem? :D
AlavHar 1 week ago
@thepoopfactor VLC is a GNU program moron :P
ipodpunker 1 week ago
@thepoopfactor VLC was first made for Linux until it was ported to windows and mac. So you have no idea what Linux does and doesn't have!
TheLizardGamer 1 week ago
I might have want to see what is Gentoo policy on the software they use. Is there Gentoo-specific software like system administration? Do they do any modification to the Desktop Environments or have a visual package manager and so on?
Jzarecta 3 weeks ago
Can you please tell me the text in your ffmpeg-X11grabcode on your desktop?
I use Desktoprecorder but the results vary to fairly good to tottaly nonsense and stripes.
I've been experimenting with ffmpeg on CLI but cannot seem to find a decent code that works for me.
Love your video's, keep it up!
ikook7 3 weeks ago
Nice one Kaddy!I would love to see more on Gentoo :D
SlaptMan 3 weeks ago
@SlaptMan
haha I don't have Gentoo anymore... might install it again "oneday" :D
Linux4UnMe 3 weeks ago
@Linux4UnMe - Oh, so it's like dependencies? What about Calculate Linux Scratch? What do you think of it? Is it just Gentoo core per-configured with USE Flags? Or is it completely different?
JeremyPassarelli 3 weeks ago
@JeremyPassarelli
I have not tried the Latter
Linux4UnMe 3 weeks ago
Using Debian as my main OS...have Gentoo on a VirtualBox. Taking 2 days to compile Gnome. Sucks having an old Pentium 4 with out virtualizing support :/
ImageJPEG 3 weeks ago
@ImageJPEG
hahahaha
Linux4UnMe 3 weeks ago
Do I need USE flags, or are they just optional?
JeremyPassarelli 3 weeks ago
@JeremyPassarelli
no, you don't need USE Flags... but it would defeat the purpose of using Gentoo really.... all that will happen is that programs will install with full features instead of picking/choosing what you want and what you don't want per application
Linux4UnMe 3 weeks ago
my gentoo experience : WTF i feel like Patric star because of this shit
kjah11 3 weeks ago
@kjah11
LoL. Oookkkkk o_0
Linux4UnMe 3 weeks ago
I went from Fedora to Gentoo after a few weeks. It's like being thrown into an ocean and learning to swim on your own with vague instructions from the helicopter that threw you in.
Levitikai 4 weeks ago
@Levitikai
LoL haha. gentoo is awesome.... but I aint got the time to keep it maintained properly.... archlinux is a happy medium for me :)
Linux4UnMe 4 weeks ago
So lame Oh my god guy you realy need read the man ...emerge without -av without flag loool
Don't use gentoo like a poor Sabayon plz btb if you realy enjoy a great flavor of gentoo switch for funtoo branch
2m42hy 1 month ago
@2m42hy that was totally unnecessary dont you think? The more users we gain to our gentoo community the better. It takes one to know one son. Remember that.
UnrealGeeMan 1 month ago
@UnrealGeeMan arf ..you're right .
2m42hy 1 month ago
@2m42hy
I love it when I get a rude comment by somebody that can't even spell or use basic grammar.... self pwnage at it's best....
Linux4UnMe 1 month ago
@Linux4UnMe lol mormon i not a english , but i have a realy gentoo ... go read the man f*cking noob and stop make ppor gentoo screencast so bad video , gentoo is not for naab like you go to ubuntu thanks
2m42hy 1 month ago
@2m42hy
I can use gentoo just fine thankyou... I still don't know what you are blabbering about... If you wanted to get a point across to me you could have written an intelligent comment to me in a respectful manner.... but you chose to be a troll and be rude with childish insults... so you lose mate. If you can't speak english then don't start petty trolling comments to an english speaker.... or learn to speak english properly so i can understand what the fuck your problem is.
Linux4UnMe 1 month ago 2
@2m42hy You must be bonkers mate!! I BBQ grill, bake, fondue, fry, and steam naab trollers like you!! Stop calling people noob, before I unleash my inner internet warrior on you... and yes I'm both sarcastic and hypocritical!
EdwardSinclair 1 month ago
@2m42hy JUST STFU and grow a brain.
crashbc 1 month ago
@crashbc
i'll second that
Linux4UnMe 1 month ago
@Linux4UnMe I'll 3rd it so its unanimous I guess
BelaFleckFan 1 month ago
I want to become a great linux user like you :( . But its hard.. REally hard
ashkot 1 month ago
@ashkot
i'm not a great linux user man lol. I know enough to get by... bout it. Oh, and I can read wikis hehehe
Linux4UnMe 1 month ago
@ashkot Start with maybe Ubuntu or linux mint and you will be fine :)
BobsAwesomeCannel 1 month ago
In Debian and flavors based on it you can also use 'apt-get source' to get the source code. Make sure you commented the 'deb-src' lines our in /etc/apt/sources.list. Then you can compile your package with flags as well. And I guess an amd64 repository for an amd64 architecture is just as well compiled as on Gentoo with amd64. Its the same source code. The compile flags are very interesting maybe I'll try Gentoo again in the coming weeks. But I don't see the real benefit except the learning curve
Keessince1988 1 month ago
@Keessince1988
indeed... pretty much
Linux4UnMe 1 month ago
kubuntu 11.10. just works and is beautiful to look at. I don't believe in "better" distros - they are just different. No grey synaptic or muon screens with kde though.
now running skulltag and all the old doom files with new textures. So awesome.
i tried fedora kde - but it's fragmented and patchy on my system.
telemetry9 1 month ago
@telemetry9 You should definately do LFS and Gentoo if you feel its not "enough" to suit your choice. If Kubuntu is more than enough for you & your environiment, I salute you!
lin545 1 month ago
0:44 Is the why, (sorry to sware),some people prefare Windows
Films4You 1 month ago
@Films4You Wrong. If you can show me a version of Windows, that can based upon your choice, rebuild itself and whole software stack exactly to your CPU and your feature choice, I will give you right. Right now, Windows is binary based - and binary based Linux install within 3 Minutes. Calculate Linux comes and works as prebuild Gentoo as well, becase Gentoo offers binary support - and installs itself in 3 Minutes as well, offering common Gentoo possibilites as an option.
lin545 1 month ago
Really nice video btw, man! Respect++ :)
lin545 1 month ago
@lin545
cheers dude
Linux4UnMe 1 month ago
1st) Gentoo is pretty much dead. Go Exherbo.
2nd) If you use Gentoo, i´d recommend calculate linux for 3 reasons:
- prebuild binary base
- automatic initram generation
- good communication
lin545 1 month ago
you should start coding. Check out bash for the start, perl, python, C, C++ - Im sure you'll learn a lot not only about programming and all the topics related with it but about linux itself.also.
ClansmanAliasTool 1 month ago
@ClansmanAliasTool
hehe I don't have enough time in a day to learn how to program.... and I don't really have the patience for it either.... i've done some bash scripting in the past
Linux4UnMe 1 month ago
Hi, I have a "little" qusetion if U got time...
puting the installing/compiling speed aside if gentoo realy optimizes exactly for your system - do U feel any difference between it and arch from a performance prospective?
I mean like: transferring files from one partition to another (windows to linux and contrary) or the ability to multitask smoothly through intensive processes
QiryatYam 1 month ago
@QiryatYam
on old hardware, yes... but to be honest... on more modern hardware.... you wouldn't notice a difference in performance
Linux4UnMe 1 month ago
lmfao you crack me up. Good vid.
FearedBliss 1 month ago
@FearedBliss
lol what i do ? :P
cheers
Linux4UnMe 1 month ago
Excellent Gentoo review; how are you getting on now? I use Gentoo on my laptop because it is optimised for my system; Gentoo has THE best community of any distro.
lonewolf42vf 2 months ago
@lonewolf42vf
I ended up going back to ARchLinux after a couple months.... I was thinking about reinstalling Gentoo on my spare harddrive though ;)
Linux4UnMe 1 month ago
@sdperez79 just follow the handbook on the website of the distro, pretty straightforward
shaihuld 2 months ago
@sdperez79
Best place to learn is the Gentoo Wiki
Linux4UnMe 3 months ago 8
I see you enjoy the compiling.
eitrig 3 months ago
@eitrig
lol I use to :)
Linux4UnMe 3 months ago
What gnome theme do you use? it looks cool
51m50n 3 months ago
@51m50n
I think it was moomex gtk2 theme man.
and maybe faenza icon theme
Linux4UnMe 3 months ago
i have a problem..when i install it..and i do the mirrorlist..there is no python 2.7 ...3.1 is in there but not 2.7 is it broken
313hummer 3 months ago
@313hummer
dunno man... try reinstalling python 2.7? ya might need to the gentoo forum otherwise o_0
Linux4UnMe 3 months ago
I think that is harder than installing MacOsx on a lawnmower.
Dante1969 4 months ago
@Dante1969
lol
Linux4UnMe 4 months ago
asentakaa gentoo ja menkää pippelipippelireikään. c O m
zGShiiFT 4 months ago
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zGShiiFT 4 months ago
Asentakaa gentoo!
Feeerio 4 months ago
@MrMakeman its fun :)
rawflsaurusres 4 months ago
I use sabayon, gentoo is more difficult?
rogeriopazduarte 4 months ago
@rogeriopazduarte
to install.... yes
Linux4UnMe 4 months ago
You come across real decent and down to earth, I enjoy watching this video from time to time because I have a similar perspective towards Gentoo, thanks!
dwaynehaught 5 months ago
@dwaynehaught
appreciated. thanx brooo
Linux4UnMe 5 months ago
Personally, just get a simpler distro. What's the point of compiling loads of code if you rarely edit it?
MrMakeman 5 months ago
@MrMakeman
because alot of people want control over every aspect / tweak / feature that gets installed on their system with every package they install
Linux4UnMe 5 months ago
I still prefer Arch. Gentoo may run slightly faster, but the hours upon hours needed to compile and update are such a waste. Updating every single package on my Arch box only takes about 10 minutes, and it still runs faster than distros like Ubuntu.
Deliciousfruit233 5 months ago
@Deliciousfruit233
I agree.
Linux4UnMe 5 months ago
Useless... try to find something interresting to say before making videos, or just work on your dramatic website.
lastzeil 6 months ago
@lastzeil
And how about you LEARN TO SPELL before trying to be a troll you fkn below average IQ half wit Moron
Linux4UnMe 6 months ago
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So, what is your current favorite flavor of Linux? I also find your distro reviews extremely helpful and well done! Keep them coming...
mjzab62 6 months ago
So, what is your current favorite flavor of Linux? I also find your distro reviews extremely helpful and well done! Keep them coming...
mjzab62 6 months ago
@mjzab62
ArchLInux... Because I like to choose all my own defaults from installation/configuration.... And thanx. Will do... waiting for Mandriva 2011 to get released for a review... few issues with it... hoping it gets stable. cheers
Linux4UnMe 6 months ago
Why don't you use gentoo anymore?
Benc1213 6 months ago
@Benc1213
Can't be bothered putting in the time and effort to maintain a Gentoo Sytem... I have better things to do ;) but to each their own.. it was a learning curve I wanted to go through, and I did that for a few months
Linux4UnMe 6 months ago
Is it jenn-two
or
gen-two
andrewyaoauatauabaea 7 months ago
@andrewyaoauatauabaea
nope :P
Linux4UnMe 7 months ago
@Linux4UnMe
How do you pronounce it then?
andrewyaoauatauabaea 7 months ago
@andrewyaoauatauabaea
However I like :)
Linux4UnMe 7 months ago
@Linux4UnMe
Thanks for the help :/
andrewyaoauatauabaea 7 months ago
@andrewyaoauatauabaea
oh sorry. I thought you was telling me how to pronounce it and I was being a smart ass. lol
I think most people say "Jen Two" but I for some reason say gen two :)
Linux4UnMe 7 months ago
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22ness0hayden 7 months ago
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22ness0hayden 7 months ago
If it's just a revision (r5 r6 r8, etc) I copy my .config file which might be a little naughty? If it's a version update I do it the paiful way with a printout of what it should be checking and unchecking. I always start with one of "Pappys Kernel Seeds" as a base to save time first though.
22ness0hayden 8 months ago
Compiling your own kernel is a fun learning experience! haha
I pretty much got it down pat now
22ness0hayden 8 months ago
@22ness0hayden
lol It is :)
Linux4UnMe 8 months ago
What do you think? Should I change from ubuntu to gentoo? Thanks for answer...^^
MeAndLinux 9 months ago
@MeAndLinux
I recommend Gentoo to all New Linux Users :) muhahaha
I dunno man... up to you... if you enjoy pain... then go ahead... install Gentoo :)
Linux4UnMe 9 months ago
@Linux4UnMe Recommending Gentoo to new users is masochism. It's best they start at Debian and learn some command line. I started at Debian, still haven't switched to Gentoo yet, but I think Gentoo would be fun to use.
Akeisson 8 months ago
@Akeisson
I guess your Sarcasm Detector is broken
Linux4UnMe 8 months ago
@Linux4UnMe Guess so, but I'm just saying. The install looks a bit tough :U
Akeisson 8 months ago
@Akeisson
it is fun to install
Linux4UnMe 7 months ago
You can also do the same things with Ubuntu Server. Instead of installing the debs, you just compiling the source code for your programs. See? same thing :)
necopost 10 months ago
@necopost
you don't have USE Flags though on Ubuntu ;)
Linux4UnMe 10 months ago
@Linux4UnMe Flags? lol Now, what don't you explain to us the necessity of the all mighty "Flags" we can't live without. :)
necopost 10 months ago
@necopost
I am not saying you cannot live without it. But it is necessary if you want your system stripped down to only
the bare essentials with only the features you use. Apt-get can simply not do this.... Gentoo is for Fanatical Geeks Who want to Control everything With USE Flags. I don't use Gentoo anymore these days though
Linux4UnMe 10 months ago
@Linux4UnMe USE Flags is an awesome feature. But, computers are getting cheaper in price and more powerful in hardware. They can handle the default OS nicely.
So the only time I would see my self using it is if I plan on making my own Live CD distro.
necopost 10 months ago
Gentoo rocks!!! Like you accent!!!
srikanthhana 10 months ago
@srikanthhana
lol I get a mix opinion of "cool accent" and "annoying accent" bahahah
Linux4UnMe 10 months ago
Crocky
copstryin2takemycrop 11 months ago
@copstryin2takemycrop
I like Yoghurt
Linux4UnMe 11 months ago
@Linux4UnMe I'm just messing with you. I started on Ubuntu, then to Fedora. I felt like I'm not learning enough so I'm switching to Gentoo. Currently installing in Virtual Box to see how I like install it.
copstryin2takemycrop 10 months ago
@copstryin2takemycrop
have ya tried arch linux yet? it rocks ;)
Linux4UnMe 10 months ago
@Linux4UnMe Of course. I've been using Linux for several years now.
copstryin2takemycrop 10 months ago
@copstryin2takemycrop
ah ok. fair enough...... Gentoo is worth the experience....
Linux4UnMe 10 months ago
The features or can enable or disable are only the optional ones. If you don't add them to your use flags you'll just get the full featured application. It might make a little improvement to bloat and speed setting the use flags but I know plenty of people who don't really bother with them too much. Mine are about a mile long lol
22ness0hayden 1 year ago
You dont have to watch all that crap compiling. Use -q option for emerge. It will warn you about important stuff anyway. This, cfg-update and parallel package compilation are very good. Way better than arch the breakazoid.
lin545 1 year ago
I can hardly uninstall people that have used gentoo for some time and get to know it and then leave it for some reason. If you can get over installation, getting to know portage well (and getting to know kernel, your hw and optimizations) then everything will seem slow compared to gentoo and your sw compiled using icc or gcc -03 --march=core2 --as-needed software that won't use unneeded backends, will save third of ram for KDE / gnome and be really fast compared to binary based distros.
KriegHeil 1 year ago
@KriegHeil -o3 is discoraged as it breaks most software. Gentoo is not faster than any other distro unless you time EVERY package and find the ideal use flags and ideal compiler. As phoronix tests have shown there is little to no difference running arch vs ubuntu, they were timed SAME. You will have to dig A LOT if you want gentoo and you should WANT to dig a lot to get all those advantages. Arch is barbarian. Ubuntu is marketoid. Fedora is unstable. Debian less customizable. Pick your gift.
lin545 1 year ago
@lin545 Sorry for broken english, when I take a look at my comment I'm scared of myself. Truth is that compiler flags won't do much (and can possibly even slow down system) if those are not wisely used (for example compiling firefox with O3 instead of OS is really dumb as effect is minal and application takes half more RAM). However, -O3 can significantly speed things that use databases (mysql..), python or recursive stuff and iterrations. True power lies in USE flags (and weakness aswell..).
KriegHeil 1 year ago
@KriegHeil
Yes, I understand you. I personally absolutely love gentoo. It lacks centralized system overview though. It is stabilized as well(compare to exherbo). However.
The main portage tree is rock solid. Use flags are both easy and smart on migration. The system is predictable most of the time on upgrade.The flexibility is matched only by LFS.
What it lacks is p2p-based smart binary pool. Yet, it may also bring disadvantages in form of traffic. Dunno, my system of choice for 3 years.
lin545 1 year ago
@lin545 binaries shared trough p2p would be nice, but that could be possible risk, just like downloading stuff from torrents is. On the other hand, if there were reliable check sums in portage for all possible USE flag combinations, it could work (in theory). And so then it could apply only to main portage tree (and not to be too hard on resources only to stable packages). But, yes that's a nice idea.
KriegHeil 1 year ago
@KriegHeil p2p is not risky. It depends on content. You would definitely need a lot of information - g&l use's, profile, kernel version, but it is do-able and do-able via automation. I think something like this is gona eventually unroll. For example, calculate linux has already provided binary pool, but it is not p2p and not that flexible.
lin545 1 year ago
@KriegHeil p2p is not risky. It depends on content. You would definitely need a lot of information - g&l use's, profile, kernel version, but it is do-able and do-able via automation. I think something like this is gona eventually unroll. For example, calculate linux has already provided binary pool, but it is not p2p and not that flexible.
lin545 1 year ago
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@KriegHeil p2p is not risky. It depends on content. You would definitely need a lot of information - global and local use's, profile, kernel version, but it is do-able and do-able via automation. I think something like this is gona eventually unroll. For example, calculate linux has already provided binary pool, but it is not p2p and not that flexible.
lin545 1 year ago
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@KriegHeil p2p is not risky. It depends on content. You would definitely need a lot of information - global & local uses, profile, kernel version, but it is do-able and do-able via automation. I think something like this is gona eventually unroll. For example, calculate linux has already provided binary pool, but it is not p2p and not that flexible.
lin545 1 year ago
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@KriegHeil p2p is not risky. It depends on content. You would definitely need a lot of information - global & local uses, profile, kernel version, but it is do-able and do-able via automation. I think something like this is gona eventually unroll. For example, calculate linux has already provided binary pool, but it is not p2p and not that flexible.
lin545 1 year ago
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@KriegHeil p2p is not risky. It depends on content. You would definitely need a lot of information - global & local uses, profile, kernel version, but it is do-able and do-able via automation. I think something like this is gona eventually unroll. For example, calculate linux has already provided binary pool, but it is not p2p and not that flexible.
lin545 1 year ago
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@KriegHeil p2p is not risky. It depends on content. You would definitely need a lot of information - global & local uses, profile, kernel version, but it is do-able and do-able via automation. I think something like this is gona eventually unroll. For example, calculate linux has already provided binary pool, but it is not p2p and not that flexible.
lin545 1 year ago
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@KriegHeil p2p is not risky. It depends on content. You would definitely need a lot of information - global & local uses, profile, kernel version, but it is do-able and do-able via automation. I think something like this is gona eventually unroll. For example, calculate linux has already provided binary pool, but it is not p2p and not that flexible.
lin545 1 year ago
@KriegHeil I think risk is not connected with method of distribution, but with actual content though =) If we have a database holding all attributes required for binary package AND its sha, and this database is autocreated based on official (trusted) builds x Num of that builds there would be no problemo.
lin545 1 year ago
@KriegHeil I think risk is not connected with method of distribution, but with actual content though =) If we have a database holding all attributes required for binary package AND its crc, and this database is autocreated based on official (trusted) builds x stats from Num of THAT quality builds, there would be no problemo. It will be a superset of say, debian repo. But it may also be dynamic at s.t.
lin545 1 year ago
install gentoo,use it for year,year and half and hen go back to arch or slackware
lordbythecon 1 year ago
@lordbythecon
LoL pretty much. Well, I used Gentoo for a month or so and decided It wasn't for me. Went back to Arch. But i'm glad I tried it anyways ;)
Linux4UnMe 1 year ago
@Linux4UnMe
after serveral years on debian now im on arch :-)
have tried freebsd bud it dosn`t support my touchpad
lordbythecon 1 year ago
@lordbythecon
nice. I havn't ever given Debian a long run... I was thinking of installing Debian 6 when it comes out on a spare drive, or I just might install Testing. see how i go
Linux4UnMe 1 year ago
I run Mint, Arch, and Gentoo on the duel boot. Gentoo is a big learning curve compared to Arch but well worth it imho
22ness0hayden 1 year ago
i must say it's one of those rare videos that explain use flags in an understandable way for people unfamiliar with the distro. nice work there.
yoshi314 1 year ago
You're not going to learn anything about 'Linux' by installing Gentoo, you're just going to learn how to use portage. I had the same false assumption when I first installed Gentoo too. I'm not saying you can't learn more about Gnu software and the Linux kernel from Gentoo, but it's not going to jump out at you either.
TheGNUfan 1 year ago
@TheGNUfan Thanx for your comment, But I disagree. While a person obviously would not learn about Linux to the extent that LFS would teach you.... Installing and Configuring Gentoo Does teach you alot about Linux in the form of What Configuration Files does what..... How it effects the System..... How to Manually Setup your Hardware/Configurations without the System holding your hand... You learn alot about the CommandLine and how to troubleshoot/Fix issues... and how Linux is Setup Overall
Linux4UnMe 1 year ago
@Linux4UnMe
>What Configuration Files does what
That's just it, different distributions don't use the same configuration files. Most don't even use the same command line tools. For example, Gentoo comes with the BSD-style (System V) style boot scripts, while Fedora, Debian, and most of their neighbors use a completely different system as their default. Simply installing Gentoo isn't going to teach you what you want to know.
TheGNUfan 1 year ago
@TheGNUfan
Configuration files across Different Linux Distro's are very Similiar.... If your cluey enough after learning the ins and outs of Gentoo... Then its not that hard to apply your knowledge to "OTHER" Distro's... Ofcoarse sometimes there are differences... Different names of config files, Different Locations, etc.... I'm not saying that merely "INSTALLING GENTOO" Will teach you All there is to know! But it helps, and learning the ins and outs of the system gives u transferable skills
Linux4UnMe 1 year ago
@Linux4UnMe I've maintained and programmed on a number of different distributions, so I know what I'm talking about. My point is that installing and maintaining a Gentoo system will only teach you how to use portage. The knowledge of Use flags doesn't translate over when you compile on other platforms. Even your C/CCflags will be different, since you're most likely compiling a package to run on several machines. You'd probably learn more by learning how GNU make works.
TheGNUfan 1 year ago
@TheGNUfan
ok.... I know what you are trying to say... But I think you have a different perspective or interpretation of what I mean..... I have said that I have learned alot from Gentoo.... Alot of what I have learned WILL benefit me even when using other Linux distros.....That is not for Debate..... I understand that what I learn from Portage will not be the same on other systems... that is a no brainer... but before Gentoo... I didn't even know much about compiling.... so I'm glad did
Linux4UnMe 1 year ago
What would you like me to say? that I can't possibly learn anything in gentoo and use that skill in other Linux distro's? that is b.s..... maybe I could argue the point of saying that it will teach me more about how BSD works then? Either way... I have a better understanding of alot of configuration setups....even though it may vary... how to use the commandline....and what to use in the cli... How the Kernel works.... how to diagnose/resolve common problems...... I didn't know alot of this B4
Linux4UnMe 1 year ago
So for you to sit there and tell me I am not learning anything useful when it comes to Linux is garbage in my opinion.... I know I have learned alot.... but I am still learning and will even Move on from Gentoo one day.... But for now... I'm enjoying my Gentoo experience
Linux4UnMe 1 year ago
@TheGNUfan Of course you are going to learn about Linux!!!! All the commands for a start that you would not know of when using a graphical or menu based installer like 99% of the other distros out there. Not to mention how the kernel works and is compiled. I used what I learned about this from Gentoo to compile my Arch kernel.
22ness0hayden 1 year ago