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  • pagkadali ra sa panahun nga moabut nga kaniadto apil ko niini first time nako ma met si mayor soc fernandez.......

  • sunda ninyo tnan nga nahisulat sa bibliya sama sa paglatos sa suluguon kay mao kna ang mkahimuot sa inyong ginoo Exodus 21:20-21

  • mga friends ayaw namo pag-away... hehehe. oi budots kung naa naka makit-an ibutang diri bi para makakita pod ko, ikaw pod renejohn naa man kaya ka copy pakiupload pls. gusto jud ko motan-aw ani para masabtan nako ilang tema kay dili man gud masabtan diri kung unsa ilang gidebatehan. sige na mga friends ha. daghang salamat :)

  • @2182421 mas maau ana pghulat2x lang dra ug unsay ikatubag nila anang question nimo pra makbalo ka unsay explanation nila about anang pagsimba nila sa sunday. nindot man ng sa ilaha gikan ang tubag! daghan man gud na sila ug mga practices nga wala nagsubay sa bible... ambot asa nila na gipanguha. hehe. silip2x lang diri basig matubag na ni renejohn or uban pa nga catholic.

  • hi mga friends! hehe. pati ako wla nkasabot ani.. hehe. ask lang ko sa mga catholic ha kay naa ko gusto mahibal-an sa inyoha. ngano sunday ang adlaw nga tingsimba ninyo diba ang sugo sa ginoo kay sa adlawng ikapito man? diri lang ko mangutana kay akoa mga friends nga catholic wala man gud sila kabalo.. wait nako inyong tubag para maliwanagan ko. daghang salamat mga friends.. hehe. :)

  • @2182421 dili ko catholic pero ingnan taka nga wala jud nagtudlo ang bible or nag-ingon nga ang sunday mao ang sabbath day or adlaw nga ipagpahulay. pangita ug catholic bible nga "LATINA VULGATA" basaha ang lucas 4 verse 16 ug lucas 23 verse 56 maklaro nimo dira ug mabasa nga ang sabado ikapitong adlaw nga mao ang sabbath day kay ang word nga sabado kinastila na, gamay nalang nagunit ana nga bible karon pero naa pa gihapon kay sa mga bible karon nila giwala na ang word nga sabado.

  • keep whining people! parang mga kabute, pumupunta dito at biglang nawawala. si bro sdamaican nasaan na? inayawan mo si bro dodge? peace

  • cge budots ayaw na sige mama tagai nalang kog copy ang videoha kay kung wala kay ikahatag ako nalay hatag nimo hehehe.. Fanatic jud kang villaver dah nga katikasan ana, gitikasan gani niya si libot nga kauban rato ninyo hahaha pagkawalay klaro oi... Nag unay ang mga pastor sa sda nag ilog kinsa tinuod.. Asikasoha sa na inyo problema oi bago ang uban.. Kaulaw ra mga walay pulos na mga pastor..may pag mangundang mo.. Kaulaw oi!

  • @renejohnl usa ka moingon sa mga pastor sa uban iglesia nga walay pulos ug nagpakaulaw.. isuggest nko sa imoha nga tan-awa usa ug una ang inyong mga pari sa simbahan ug ihapa kung pila na kabuok ang nakapabuntis. hahaha. wala man gani nangundang bisag nakaanak na! unya asa ang kaulaw ana?

  • budot malibog ang motanaw ana alang lang sa mga libog na hehehe sama nimo.. Ang topic? Murag pamatudan man ni john diona nga ang katoliko mao ang gitokod ni kristo.. Unya wla man gisabotan kung unsang klase nga biblia ang gamiton, nganga gud ang baba ni villaver hehehe.. Basig ikaw wla kabalo or tuison jud nimo para likay mo sa kaulaw hehehe.. Dili naman na katingadan kay perme man na mapildi c villaver, pildi gani na syang libot.. Nanikas pa jud si villaver.. Pwede maulaw?

  • @renejohnl lagyoa na nimo ug naabtan oi.. naa ra gani ta diri nga video naabot nasad ka sa pikas debate. hahaha. kabalo ka rene ang nakadaut man gud anang mga bible ninyo daghan na ug nadungag. gipangsumpayan na sa mga catholic translator.. kung dili ka motoo ana pwede man nimo pangtan-awon ang mga bible kung unsay kalahian. ana ra kasayon.. pakiupload sa imong video naa man diay ka dra padugay2x pa ka.. salamat daan.

  • @bud0ts budots naulaw naka? hehehe kaluoy gud nimo, pamatud-i sa nga sayop ug tamperd lang tong biblia na gigamit ni john diona para motuo ko.. unsay kalainan? ikaw kabalog paraphrase na hubad na biblia? hehehe pagtuon dong budots

  • @renejohnl nganong maulaw man ko ug unsa akong ikaulaw? basig ikaw naulaw sa imong mga gipanulti nga walay pulos ug nagpakaulaw among pastor unya wala ka nagtan-aw sa inyong pari kung pila na kabuok ang naay napaangkan. mao na akong ingon nga b4 ka manaway sa lain icheck sa ug una ang inyoha arun dili ka maulawan kay mobalik ra sa imoha angi mong mga gipanulti nga dili maayo sa uban. pakipost nalang sa full video palihog, naa man kaha kay copy dira matod pa nimo nga hatagan pa gani ko nimo.

  • @renejohnl salamat sa imong kaluoy brother renejohn... luoy man jud ko kaayo busa tumani nalang ko sa akong hangyo nga iupload ang full video kay nanghambog man jud ka nga naa kay copy dra. paminawa ug tarung nya kng nabasa ba ni jun2x ang iyang pamatud-an ug icheck pod sa lain bible. karon ra man gud ko nakakita ug magdebate nga ang iyang gibasa dili ipakita. salamat daan renejohn ha kung imong iupload ky idownload pod nako. i hope wala ka namutbot nga tagaan ko nimo ug copy sa video.

  • @bud0ts thank u sa pagtubag fren dots tinuod bitaw nga sabado ang gitudlo sa bible natingala lang ko nganong domingo ilang ginasimba bisag klaro kaayo sa bible nga sabado ang sabbath day ug ipost nalang na ninyo diri inyo gilalisan para mahuman nako ana. :)

  • @2182421 EXPLAIN NAKO HA PRA DLI KA MATINGALA NGANONG SUNDAY ILANG TINGSIMBA BISAG SATURDAY ANG GITUDLO SA BIBLE NGA IKAPITONG ADLAW SA SEMANA. KABALO MAN NA SILA NGA SATURDAY ANG SABBATH DAY PERO GIUSAB NA SA ILANG SANTO PAPA GIKAN SA SATURDAY GIBALHIN SA SUNDAY! ANG ILANG SANTO PAPA NGA ILANG GIILANG PULI NI GINOONG JESUS DRI SA KALIBUTAN! UG NAAY AUTHORITY SA PAG-USAB SA BIBLE! MAO NA NGA NAUSAB NA ANG NAPULO KASUGO SA ILAHA UG ANG BIBLE SA ILAHA SECONDARY NALANG SA ILANG PAGTOO.

  • @2182421 ANG IMPORTATE SA ILAHA ANG MGA TRADISYON NILA UG MGA BALAOD SA SIMBAHAN NGA BINUHAT NILA.. EX. PAMBUNYAG SA BATA, DLI PAGMINGYO SA PARI UG DAGHAN PA.. DIBA WALA NA SA BIBLE? UG KUNG MAG SKWELA KA UG PARI ANG ILANG TRADISYON SA SIMBAHAN UG MGA BALAOD NILA. MAO NA IMONG IMASTERAL DLI ANG NAHASULAT SA BIBLE KY SECONDARY RA NA SA ILAHA. PAGBASA2X POD UG MGA TESTIMONY NILA OR MAGAZINE SA SIMBAHAN PARA IKAW MISMO MASAYOD. DAGHAN MAN POD NA SILA UG MGA SINULAT GIKAN SA VATICAN.

  • @2182421 BUSA IKW HUNA-HUNAA UG TARUNG UG ASA IMONG SUNDON.. ANG PULONG BA SA GINOO NGA NAHASULAT SA BIBLE O ANG MGA TRADISYON UG BALAOD SA SIMBAHAN NGA BINUHAT NILA.. TAMA BA KO RENEJOHN? INGNA LANG KO HA KNG DLI TINUOD.. MR. 2182421 C RENEJOHN PANGUTAN-A KNG NAA PA KA MGA KALIBOGAN SA SUNOD OR DILI MASABTAN KAY NASAYOD MAN POD SIGURO SYA ANA BA KAY MAO GUD NA IYANG RELIGION.. IM SURE MAS DAGHAN NA SYA UG IKASHARE SA IMOHA ABOUT SA MGA PRACTICES SA CATHOLIC NGA DILI MAKITA SA BIBLE.

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  • kabalo ka unsay topic s SDA ug CFD ana nga debate nila rene? ug unsay pamatud-an ni jun2x nga tga CFD? basig nagyaw2x ra ka dra nga wla ka nkabalo. hehehe. kng kanang videoha ra imong basihan wla man kay masabtan ana kng unsa ang mga panghitabo :)) makalibog ra sa mga motan-aw kng naunsa na cla :)) Asa man ng giingon nimo nga debate nila? klaroha daw na hehehe.

  • SAMOKA NINYO UI KA.ULAW RAH MO!!!

  • little time jud mao man na rason ninyo permi kung pangitaan pud mo ug copy sa debate sige rag rason i upload na nah para para mapmatudan inyong pasangil..

  • wla nag unay nag debaye ang ilang pastor na sda si libut ug villaver nag lalis kinsay tinuod na sda hehehe pildi si villaver kay nanikas nasakpan gi dcleared pa jud. asa man ang inyong giingon na kamoy tinuod nga mismo sda naglibog? hehehe

  • walay challenge ang sda

    

  • @Itnayr: Tama ka bro marami nga kayo pro di naman importante yan buti sana kung nakalagay sa bible n ang iglesiang maraming member ang maliligtas at ano ba masama kung mag-invite ang sda sa mga gusto makasaksi sa debate n yan di nman nila pinilit, kusang loob n ngpunta ang mga yan. last question bro yan lang ba talaga ang video n meron kayo? dyan n part lang ba talaga ang narecord nyo? :)

  • @itnayr:Hala anong hindi nakatampered? hehehe. So kng nandyan ka eh di alam mo kng ano ang topic nila d2, ask lang ko bro ha nabasa ba ni jun2x yung sinasabi nyang 30AD? na papatunayan nya raw. :)) Ganito lang kasi yan kasimple bro kng mag-upload lang din ng video dapat lubos lubosin na pra wlang masabi ang iba.. Imposible nman din kng wala kayong kabuohan nito dba? ang maganda na part d2 yung navideohan ang hawak n bible ni jun2x mula s likuran. hehe.

  • @gejel09051527994: anong panalo sa audience? Sino ba ang humakot ng sang katutak na followers sa plaza that time? Diba ang mga SDA? kasi kahit sa larangan ng populasyon, alam niyo na talo talaga kayo. Patunay na sa DIYOS ANG IGLESIYA CATOLICA kasi kahit hindi kami mag imbita ng audience, dadalo at dadalo rin ang mga tao. @budots: e post mo na ang sa tingin mo ay full lenght ng video na ito.

  • HAHAHAY!panalo lang sa audience ang catholic false defender!!panalo sa ingay!di sa versekulo!!ang panalo talaga dito S.D.A!!

  • @budots: Actually hindi tampered ang bible. I've seen it. Nasa harapan ako that time ng debate. (",). Hindi naman ang CFD ang nagmamadali na tapusin ang debate diba. Si Villaver ang nag draw lot based sa video nating dalawa. Kunyari kapang na cut ko ang video. Kung ako sayo, yang sinasabi mong full-length video epost mo sa youtube para makita naman sa cyberspace. Kaya napilitan ang CFD na tumugon sa nauuhaw na pagnanasang matalo ng SDA rep ang Catholic Church. Viva el nombre hesus.

  • Hahaha. nakakatawa naman tong si Jun2x ng CFD (Catholic False Defender) aka boy tampered. hehehe. at tsaka ikaw ITNAYR hindi mo ba nakita ang buong video nito? or sinadya mong icut at yan lang ang pinalabas bakit di mo sinali yung nakita sa video ang bible na binabasa ni jun2x. si Jun2x ng CFD sa davao yan eh. aka Boy Tampered! Nakita ko live ang debate nila kawawang Jun2x napahiya lang di nya namalayan na nakukunan n ng cameraman ang bible nyang hawak mula s likuran nya. daya kc pahiya 2loy!

  • AI NAKU MALIWANAG NA PANDARAYA NA NAMAN. TSK2X! BAKIT KAILANGAN PA MAGTAMPERED SA BIBLE KUNG WALA NAMANG NAKASULAT NA GANUN? AYAN TULOY TODO IWAS PARA DI MAKITA ANG LAMAN NG BIBLE MONG DALA =)) HINDI BOBO YANG KADEBATE MO NA C PASTOR VILLAVER AT ALAM NYA NA WALA SA HOLY BIBLE ANG PINAGSASABI MO! LOLS.. ANO BA MASAMA KUNG GUSTO MAKITA ANG BINABASA MO KUNG WALA KA NAMANG TINATAGO =)) AT SA NAG UPLOAD NITO SABI MO DI ABOT SA 20 MINS ANG VIDEO NITO EH BAKIT YAN LANG ANG NILAGAY MO? PEACE!!! =))

  • to itnayr: ipakita mo ang whole video nito bro pra malaman natin at ng makita ng lahat, mahirap kc kung tayo2x lang ang magsabi tapos wala tayong maipakita, bakit yan lang ang nilagay mo wla kang whole video nyan? meron sila copy nyan s lcm bro. Para nman kcing unfair yung pgka-upload mo s video nato ang pinakita mo ay yung eksena n prang nkalamang ang CFD. whole video den tsaka tayo magcomment. :) god bless!

  • to:b3t4ns: ako ang nag post ng videong ito bro. Hindi totoo na sinuhulan ng 500 ang moderator. in fact, hindi katoliko ang moderator. Hindi rin totoo na pinaalis sa CFD ang nag debate. The video is sufficient enough to tell us that Pastor Villaber had made a very compromising agreement. The whole debate was a short one. It did not even reach to 20 minutes.

    You said that you have the complete video allegedly. Well, I invite you to post it here in you tube you that the people may know. God bles

  • Ok bro just give me a little tym kukuha ako ng copy nito s lcm meron kc cla pra makta ng lahat at tsaka tau mgcomment. unfair nman kc s kbilang side yan lang ang pinakta mo. god bless!

  • may copy ang LCM s full video nato pra makita nyo ang kabuohan ng debate nato, CFD ang nag-upload nito at ang pinakita lang ay ang parteng parang nanalo ang CFD s debate pro sa kalagit-naan nito nabisto n nakatampered lang yung binasa nya at wala talagang nakasulat n ganun s bible. LCM fm 99.3 makinig kayo dyan at mgtanong kung pano makakuha ng copy s video na ito pra kayo na mismo ang humusga sa kinalabasan ng debateng ito.

  • kng may mga katanongan kayo makinig nlang sa 99.3 lcm fm pwede kayo magtxt dun at mgtanong s mga gs2 nyong malaman. sasagotin kayo ni pastor villaver. god bless! :)

  • kaya ganun kc marami naninira s sda kya nilalabanan nlang ng sda s debate pra magkaalaman at mapatunayan ang mga pinagsasabi sa kanila, nandaya ang catholic d2 wla nman sa bible yung binabasa nya nakatampered lang yun kaya ayaw nya ipabasa at ipakita sa iba, umamin din ang coordinator n sinuholan xa ng 500. :)) mas maganda kng whole video ang ipakita. tinanggalan n ng posisyon s san pedro cathedral ang taong ito dahil sa kahihiyang ginawa nya.

  • jm3guy subrang galing mo talaga sa satsatan, tsk tsk nasa inyo pala ang katotohanan eh bakit puro sda ngayon nag dedebate na? Hahaha.. Paki post mo nga yong talata mo, bakit di mo basahan yon ng buo para malaman mo na hindi sumamba ang mga apostoles sa araw ng saturday kundi para makipag debate sa mga sabadista.. Tsk tsk

  • @jmguy3

    ang dami mong satsat bro puro ka lang yabang.

    ilang beses ka ng sinagot, ikaw ang hindi makasagot sa mga tanong ang ginawa mo lang kuha ka ng references galing sa iba na hindi naman NAGPAPATUNAY sa DOKTRINA nyo sa SDA. patotoo galing sa SDA ang ibigay mo sana.

    nasaan na yong pinagyayabang mong MARAMI KANG TALATANG ibigay sa amin? ibigay mo na bro.

    hehe sinabi mo pa dati na MABABAW lang sa amin...eh nasaan yung MALALIM galing sa inyo? post mo na.

    peace

  • tampered Bible ung gamit ng CFD..

    bakit di nyo ipapakita yong whole video?

    talo ang CFD d2, be honest bro..

  • @lloyd21wafu : correct ka brod loyd! hindi lang ang debate nayan, meron din sa ibang sect na ka debate nila, tampered din.. akala nila mga inusente kalaban nila, hahaha! hindi nga nakasagot ng diritso sa mga tinatanong ko sa kanila at ngayon hinahanap nila ako.. almost 2 months na ata hindi ako naka pag log in... walang exact na sagot sa tinatanong ko sa kanila, ang dami kong pino post na katutuhanan, hindi ma sagot2 at marami pang alibi.. jeje! tingnan mo brod ung mga prev. post ko....

  • cont.

    walang maibigai na talata sa Biblia... pro hinahanap nila ako, namimis yata ako.. haha! kaya, babalikan ko ang mga kaibigan natin na gustong malaman ang katotohanan... Praise The LORD!

  • @jmguy3 invited kayo para sa grand debate this year plz contact me at my via cp no.: 09239050233 to be formalize tnxxxxxxxxxxxxxx....

  • @lloyd21wafu : minsan nakaka-inis din kc hindi ako makapasok sa account ko pati ung kasama natin na kasama talaga ni Ptr. Villaver na ka debate sa CFD dito, hindi na talaga nakapasok dito sa youtube account nya, sabagai napaka galing din yon kaya seguro takut sila.. hahaha!

    ito na ako mga kaibigan, ang nasa " KATOTOHANAN " ay kilan man ay hindi matatakot ! tandaan nyo yan!

    hindi na sana ako mag cocomment sa kanila brod, kasi wala namang tamang sagot sa pino-post ko eh, puro napaka babaw at

  • binablock? hmmm. hehe

  • wala na mga umaataking putakti, suko na ata..

  • wala na mga umaataking putakti, suko na ata..

  • unprofesional? Hehehe.. Baka ikaw?!

  • saan yung formality nito? puro mga unprofessional naman andito eh... walang tamang moderator, speakers at wala ngang crowd control eh

  • namamaalam xa sa akin bro sabi nya para bina block xa ng youtube hindi raw xa makapag comment hehehe... Hndi na raw xa popost ng comment tungkol sa doctrne..

  • nasaan na ang kausap natin dito? biglang naglaho parang bula hehe.

  • tnx sir dodge..

  • @renejohnl

    My pleasure, brother.

  • (The expanded Pseudo-Ignatian version of Magnesians, from the middle of the third century, rewrites this passage to make "Lord's Day" a clear reference to Sunday

  • @renejohnl

    Yes, the Sunday celebration of the Lord's Day and His Eucharist is at the heart of the Church's life.

    Sunday is the day on which the paschal mystery is celebrated in light of the apostolic tradition and is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church. We can also read in CIC, can. 1246.

    God bless you and pace e' bene!

  • A medieval Latin translation indicates an original textual reading of kata kyriaken zontes: "no longer observing Sabbath, but living according to the Lord's [Day]".

  • Around 110 AD, St. Ignatius of Antioch used kyriake in a passage of his letter to the Magnesians. Ambiguity arises due to textual variants. The only extant Greek manuscript of the letter, the Codex Mediceo-Laurentianus, reads, "If, then, those who had walked in ancient practices attained unto newness of hope, no longer observing Sabbath, but living according to the Lord’s life ..." (kata kyriaken zoen zontes).

  • Didache 14 was apparently understood by the writers of the Didascalia and Apostolic Constitutions as a reference to Sunday worship.

  • ,[2] a unique and unexplained double possessive, and translators supply the elided noun (e.g., "day", "commandment" (from the immediately prior verse 13:7), or "doctrine").[3] This is the first of two extrabiblical Christian uses of "κυριακήν" where it does not clearly refer to Sunday.[4] Breaking bread may refer to Christian fellowship, agape feasts, or Eucharist (cf. Ac. 2:42, 20:7).

  • sir jmguy3 baka yang pino postd mo na umanoy may libro ka na ccc na sulat umano ni ca' Gibbon ay kinupya mo lang sa ibang furom mula sa catholic answer furom, kaya kung hndi mo sasamain pwde mo ipakita ang libro pupunta ako sa inyo.

  • @renejohnl

    kinopya nga niya bro ang mga pinost niya dito. sabi nga ni bro dodge> thank you for the PUBLICATIONS. at POSTING FROM OTHER SOURCES, HIS ARGUMENTS ARE WEAK.

    kasi basehan niya ng kanyang pananampalataya ay pinulot sa HINDI NIYA KAPANALIG. WE'RE LOOKING FOR HIS ASSERTIONS FROM THEIR (SDA) TEACHINGS AND PRACTICES ITSELF.

    tapos na tayong nagbigay ng mga patotoo at diskusyon. ang kanyang side ang gusto nating makita.

  • Second century writers

    such as Justin Martyr attest to the

    widespread practice of Sunday

    worship, and by 361 AD it had

    become a mandated weekly

    occurrence. During the Middle

    Ages, Sunday worship became

    associated with Sabbatarian

    (rest) practices.

  • pero bakit sinabing doon sunday the lord's day? Lord's Day is a Christian name for Sunday, the day of communal worship. It is observed by most Christians as the weekly memorial of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who is said in the four canonical Gospels of the New Testament to have been witnessed alive from the dead early on the first day of the week. According to the New Testament, some Christians held corporate worship on Sunday in the first century.
  • dahil ang totoo ang council of laodicia tungkol sa sabbath ay mababasa sa conon 29 at ito ang nakasulat, council of laodicia "Outlawing the keeping of the

    sabbath and encouraging rest

    on Sunday (the Lord's Day)

    (canon 29)"

  • but regardless the council of laodicia, hindi sinabi doon na " we invented the sunday keeping and change the sabbath from saturday to sunday" gaya ng sinabi mo na ininbento lang sa council of laodicia ang sunday sabbath..

  • The Council of Laodicea was a

    regional synod of approximately

    thirty clerics from Asia Minor, that

    assembled about 363-364 AD in

    Laodicea, Phrygia Pacatiana. But prior of the council of laodicia was hve alraidy a council conductd regarding sabbath which is the councel of nicea in 312 ad.

  • Tertullian (early 3rd century),

    writing against Christians who

    participated in pagan festivals

    (Saturnalia and New-year),

    defends the Christian celebration

    of Sunday against the accusation

    of sun-worship.

  • kaya kung pagbabasihan natin ang mga document and reference, care to answer which the most relevant, your book or the wretten of church father? Itininanong ito sa iyo ni bro rizalbalagtas, please care to answer.

  • Sunday worship: Early observance of Sunday is attested in patristic writings of the second century.[8] These writers and approximate dates include Ignatius of Antioch (107), Bardaisan (154), Irenaeus (178), Cyprian (200), Victorinus of Petovio (280), and Eusebius of Caesarea (324)[dubious -- discuss] [citation needed].
  • biblecal tradistion: In the New Testament, Jesus debates the Jews about the topic of Sabbath observance and declares himself Lord of Sabbath (e.g., Mk. 2:21-28). Early Jewish Christians such as Paul of Tarsus visit the synagogue on Sabbath. ( Acts 13:13-14). The New Testament epistles contain Sabbath teachings interpreted variously by Christians as affirming seventh-day rest, first- day worship, and/or freedom from legalistic requirements to observe days.
  • Also, since shortly after the church's founding, the majority of Christians have observed the first day for weekly corporate worship ( Sunday, now also known as the Lord's Day). From the fourth century onwards, Sunday worship has largely also taken on the observance of Sunday rest ( first-day Sabbatarianism). Among these Christians, Sunday worship and/ or rest eventually became synonymous with a first-day " Christian Sabbath".
  • wala pa ang konselyo sa laodicia ang sabbath ng mga cristiano ay unang araw or sunday sa ating kalendaryo bilang pagunita sa muling pagkabuhay ni Cristo dahil din ayon sa kanya sya ang panginoon ng sabbath.. Since ang sunday xa muling nabuhay kaya ito ang lord's day, sunday.

  • kaya baka yang gamit mong libro ay sulat ni froom na isang sda scholar bilang sagot nya sa libro ni Ca' Gibon na kinupya ni faber.. Si Ca'Gibon ay isa magaling na debater sa aming doctrne lalo na sa sabbath.

  • The Prophetic Faith of Our

    Fathers consists of four volumes by Le Roy Edwin Froom (1890--

    1974) was a Seventh-day

    Adventist minister and historian, and aslo he wrote the question on doctrine

  • Post # 7

    Now you know why "Catholics worship on Sundays."

    Posting from other sources, I see your arguments are weak.

    Anyway, I don't see the answer to any question that you have been asked anywhere. Do us the courtesy of answering it. Thank you.

    Pax et bonum!

  • Post # 6

    These early Christians believed that the "resurrection and ascension of Christ" signals the renewal of creation, making the day on which God accomplished it a day analogous to the first day of creation when God made the light. Some of these writers referred to Sunday as the "eighth day".

  • Post # 5 Early observance of Sunday is attested in patristic writings of the early first and second century. These writers include Pseudo-Barnabas (AD 100), Ignatius of Antioch (107), Justin Martyr (145), Bardaisan (154), Irenaeus (178), Tertullian (180), Cyprian (200), Victorinus of Petovio (280), and Eusebius of Caesarea (324).

  • Post # 4

    Did you know that the origin of the Church collection on Sunday is in the Holy Bible? “Now concerning the collection for the saints: you should follow the directions I gave to the churches of Galatia. On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save whatever extra you earn, so that collections need not be taken when I come.” (see 1 Cor. 16:1-2)

  • Post # 3

    As we discussed to you in our previous posts, Jesus resurrected on the Sunday, not on the Saturday. Through the glorious Resurrection, Jesus elevated the Sunday as a day of importance, it having become “the Day of the Lord.” Jesus could have resurrected on the Saturday, but He chose the Sunday. Surely, this was a sign to the Apostles during the early days of the Church.

    You have more verses to prove?, then show us then.

  • Post # 2

    Like, St. Ignatius of Antioch wrote in the early 100's A.D., describing Christians with a Jewish background as those who “have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death” (Magnesians 9 ) [Editor's note: Magnesians is a letter written to the church at Magnesia by Ignatius, a church father, also called Theophorus.]

  • DON'T debate the word of GOD!

  • ikorek ko lang> marami kang masasaktan? NOT REALLY.

  • @dodge0808 :

    @renejohnl:

    @rizalbalagtas and etc...

    Pls read carefully and be open-minded of ths evidence talk about, we caught ths from RCC official publication and by these, thousands of people see the truth.. pariho naman tayo ng pinanggalingan e, naging open-minded lang kame...

    There are still a lot of truth, ang hirap lang mag post ng mahaba ditto sa youtube…

    Peace...

  • @jmguy3

    alam mo bro halatang nagkandarapa ka sa kahahanap ng dahilan upang matutulan mo ang THE LORD"S DAY.

    tinatanong ka ng kasamahan namin > KUNG MALI BA SI PAUL sa mga TALATANG IYON?

    yon sana ang tutolan mo.

  • @jmguy3

    at saka yang mga writings na pinost mo dito ay OPINYON lang ng ilang tao like 1857, 1997 etc. KOMPARA sa WRITINGS NG ACTS OF THE APOSTLES kung saan GINUGUNITA nila ang ARAW NG PAGKABUHAY ang 8th day or 1st of the week.

    AT ANG EARLY CHRISTIAN writer na si BARNABAS talagang isinulat sa LETTER niya WORSHIP nila ay ang SUNDAY 74 A.D.

    which one is relevant your sources in 1857,1977 or 1st century like 74 A.D.?

    i'm waiting for your answer. peace

  • @rizalbalagtas : ayaw ko ng mag co-comment brod.. marame lang akung masasaktan kase ang katotohan minsan ay masakit talaga... ang mga Biblical references nyo kc ay napaka baba, kung meron karyong isa, ang samin sampo and more... pacensya pro ganun talaga ang totoo... alam kung mahirap tanggapin ang katotohanang pino-post ko kc matatas na leader na yan sa church ninyo ang nag salita at hindi klan man tinutulan yan sa vatican bago ilabas o nae publish at marame pang re-print ang kasunod nyan...

  • @jmguy3

    mara kang masasaktan?

    sa paanong PARAAN? huwag kang mag-alala bro nandito tayo sa diskusyon. kapag tinatanong ka sumagot ka sana.

    BIBLICAL REFERENCES NAMIN NAPAKABABA? ganun ba? tinatanong ka ng simpleng tanong> MALI BA SI PAUL NA GINUNITA NILA ANG BREAKING BREAD AT OFFERING SA 8th day of the week?

    sabi mo pa> kung meron kayong isa, ang samin sampo and more.

    talaga? NASAAN YANG MGA TALATANG PINAGMALAKI MO NOON NA MARAMI KAYONG PATOTOO? ipost mo na bro.

  • @rizalbalagtas : hindi nga masagot-sagot sa forum nyo yan e sa matataas na leader nyo noong tinatanong yan! dahil kung against ang church sa mga sinusulat sa librong yan e de, tinutulan na agad yan... think about it !!!

    at bakit ko naman sasagotin ang talatang yon na wala nga kayong naibigai na talata na nag uutos na sa panahung Kristiano ay linggo na ang pahinga.. hahaha! sinagut na yan sa post ko, hindi mo ba naintindihan??? ang dami ng naka intindi nyn, kw lng yata ang hindi..read it again!

  • @jmguy3

    matataas na leader?

    YOU'RE OUT OF CONTEXT. we don't really care. you're talking with us so >CARE TO ANSWER as bro dodge said.

  • @rizalbalagtas

    BUT YOU MAY READ THE BIBLE FROM GENESIS TO REVELATION, AND YOU WILL NOT FIND A SINGLE LINE AUTHORIZING THE SANCTIFICATION OF SUNDAY.THE SCRIPTURES ENFORCE THE RELIGIOUS OBSERVANCE OF SATURDAY, A DAY WHICH WE NEVER SANCTIFY." JAMES CARDINAL GIBBONS, THE FAITH OF OUR FATHERS(1917 EDITION)PG.72-73 (16TH EDITION)PG.111 (88TH EDITION) PG. 89.

  • @rizalbalagtas

    1. "QUESTION: WHICH IS THE SABBATH DAY? "ANSWER: SATURDAY IS THE SABBATH DAY.

    2. "QUESTION: WHY DO WE OBSERVE SUNDAY INSTEAD OF SATURDAY?"ANSWER. "WE OBSERVE SUNDAY INSTEAD OF SATURDAY BECAUSE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THE COUNCIL OF LAODICEA, TRANSFERRED THE SOLEMNITY FROM SATURDAY TO SUNDAY."

    PETER GEIERMANN, CSSR, A DOCTRINAL CATECHISM, 1957 EDITION, P. 50.

    A Doctrinal Catechism, tutulan mo??? hindi nga tinutulan yan ng nakakataas pa sa inyo, kw Pa??? open ur mind......

  • cont.

    COUNCIL OF LAODICEA, tinututulan mo? hahaha!

  • @jmguy3

    oops! i forgot something. you asked> COUNCIL OF LAODICEA tinututulan mo? hahaha!

    YOU'RE in a BIG LAUGHED MODE, hehe.

    we had given you a TOTAL DISCUSSION since Sabbath being on a Saturday was a "custom" (not an issue of faith or morals), it was something subject to the authority of the apostles and their successors.

    it also shows why the Gibbons and Council quotes you have are in line with the truth about Catholic teaching when considered in context.

  • @jmguy3 again bro i see you mention that the Council of Laodecia was when the custom was changed.

    we'll explain to you & refer to Karl Keating's book which explains that when something became OFFICIAL it was often practiced for decades or centuries earlier, and formally declared later.

    like I SAID> AFTER RESURRECTION worship became the liturgy.

    and the LITURGY is a re-presentation of the Resurrection (as instructed by Christ at the Last Supper).

  • @jmguy3

    AND THE RESURRECTION occured on A SUNDAY.

    again & again> the development of this custom happened not overnight, but over some years as the links I previously posted describe in the writings of early Church fathers, etc.

  • @jmguy3

    you HAVE ASKED> which one is relevant the 1857, 1997 and etc writngs or the 74 A.D. (1st century) writings?

    i didn't see your answer.

  • @jmguy3

    Welcome back my friend and thank you for your suggestion and publications.

    But I would rather believe our CCC or RCC books because those are reserved all rights to itself than to listen what you believe.

    I'll give you some writings, our references and documented books from our early church fathers

     The early church fathers generally viewed sabbath as a Jewish observance, and the Lord's Day as the proper Christian observance.

  • @jmguy3 yong sinabi mo na inamin ng mga katoliko na ang the sabbath on 7th day of the week ay pinalitan na sabbath on every 1st or 8th days of th week SUnday, hindi ang katoliko ang nagsabi nyan kundi ang membro nyo sa sda si Samuele R. Bacchiocchi

  • @rizalbalagtas

    research mo kung ano ang value sa RCC ang librong ito:

    THE FAITH OF OUR FATHERS

    A DOCTRINAL CATECHISM

    Na tinututulan mo....

    Alam mo, Mahahalagang publication yan sa church mo, alam ko yan dahil buong angkan namin ay galing naman jan bro.. hindi mo maitatago yan.... peace !

  • @jmguy3

    do not give me a reference because I DO HAVE MY CCC BOOK.

    otherwise, i will give you more presentation with regard SUNDAY WORSHIP.

    but that is not the point,, YOU SHOULD GIVE YOUR AFFIRMATION FROM SDA SOURCES AND REFERENCES. not collecting from different people outside your church.

    peace

  • @jmguy3

    now bro> we're looking forward for your refute from SDA books and teachings with regard the SUNDAY & SABBATH WORSHIP.

  • @jmguy3 Samuele R. Bacchiocchi (29 January 1938,[1] Rome, Italy – 20 December 2008[2]) was a Seventh-day Adventist author and theologian, best known for his work on the Sabbath in Christianity, particularly in the historical work From Sabbath to Sunday, based on his doctoral thesis from the Pontifical Gregorian University

  • @renejohnl hindi ang katoliko ang nagsabi na ang saturday sabbath ay pinalitan ng mga katoliko ng saunday rest kundi si Samuele R. Bacchiocchi isang SDA

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  • @jmguy3 The author of Rev. 1:10 ("I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day") uses kyriake hemera in a way apparently familiar to his readers. First-day Sabbatarians hold that this means he was worshipping on Sunday, resurrection day (cf. Ac. 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:2).

  • @renejohnl The next ambiguous appearance of kyriake is in the The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles or Didache, a document dated to the end of the first century or the beginning of the second. Didache 14:1a (AD 70-120?) is translated by Roberts as, "But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving";[1] the first clause in Greek, "κατά κυριακήν δέ κυρίου", literally means "On the Lord's of the Lord",

  • Post 3 cont. E

    Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

    A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority. Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

  • Post 3 cont. F1

    Q. In what manner can we show a Protestant, that he speaks unreasonably against fasts and abstinences?

    A. Ask him why he keeps Sunday, and not Saturday, as his day of rest, since he is unwilling either to fast or to abstain. If he reply, that the Scripture orders him to keep the Sunday, but says nothing as to fasting and abstinence, tell him the Scripture speaks of Saturday or the Sabbath, but gives no command anywhere regarding Sunday or the first day of the week. If,

  • Post 3 cont. F2

    If, then he neglects Saturday as a day of rest and holiness, and substitutes Sunday in its place, and this merely because such was the usage of the ancient Church, should he not, if he wishes to act consistently, observe fasting and abstinence, because the ancient Church so ordained? Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 181

  • Post 3 cont. D

    Q. Give some examples of both?

    A. They should, if the Scripture were their only rule, wash the feet of one another, according to the command of Christ, in the 13th chap. of St. John; —they should keep, not the Sunday, but the Saturday, according to the commandment, "Remember thou keep holy the SABBATH-day;" for this commandment has not, in Scripture, been changed or abrogated;... Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 101 Imprimatuer

  • Post 3 cont. C

    Q. Have you any other proofs that they(Protestants) are not guided by the Scripture?

    A. Yes; so many, that we cannot admit more than a mere specimen into this small work. They reject much that is clearly contained in Scripture, and profess more that is nowhere discoverable in that Divine Book.

  • Post 3 cont. B

    “Of course these two old quotations are exactly correct. The Catholic Church designated Sunday as the day for corporate worship and gets full credit – or blame – for the change.” This Rock, The Magazine of Catholic Apologetics and Evangelization, p.8, June 1997

    Q. Have you any other proofs that they(Protestants) are not guided by the Scripture?

  • Post 3 cont.

    "Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope." Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950.

  • Post 3

    I found this doing research on the sabbath:

    Historic Denominational Statements on the Sabbath

    Catholic

    “It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.” Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

  • cont.

    "Question: Which is the Sabbath day? "Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day. 2). "Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?"Answer. "We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea, transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."

    Peter Geiermann, CSSR, A Doctrinal Catechism, 1957 edition, p. 50.

  • cont.

    The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify." James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of our Fathers(1917 edition)pg.72-73 (16th edition)pg.111 (88th edition) pg. 89.

  • The Faith of Our Fathers

    Being a Plain Exposition and Vindication of the Church Founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ

    by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore

    "Is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and to abstain on that day from any unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most prominent of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday.

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  • nganong napilde man ang sabadista ana.. .nga mao man kaha nah ang tinuod

  • @punkerbluhd : hintayin mo ang videong epo-post namin brod na walang cut at makikita mo... obvious namang edited tong video nato e.... hayaan nyo, malapit na dahil na communicate ko na ang may hawak non... hinihintay din yon ni mr. renejohn, rizalbalagtas at dodge... magkasama naman kayo diba???

  • at ano nga ba ang pagkakaiba ng paniniwala ng mga judeo under roman empire at mga kristiyano noon?

    ang mga judeo HINDI naniniwala sa RESURRECTION at mga Kristiyano at mga apostoles saksi sa RESURRECTION OF THE LORD.

    in what day nila ginugunita? first day or 8th day of the week. sa ngayon, ano ba sa ating calendar ang tumugma sa sinasabing yan? yan ang pag-iisipan mo bro. peace

  • @rizalbalagtas : tanong, ipinag utos ba na sa RESURRECTION OF THE LORD or Sunday, magpahinga at sasamba sa DIOS ang mga tao? Basa??? ang tagal nang tanong yan, wala pa kayung naibigai na talata dahil wala naman talaga kayong mababasa... official publication nyo na ang nagsasabi nyan !!! tingnan nyo post ko...

  • @jmguy3

    alam mo bro tulad ng sinabi ko sa nakaraang araw na kami ay gumugunita at sumasamba sa tinatawag na THE LORD"S DAY na ito di n ginawa ng mga apostoles at unang kristiyano.

    saan nga ba tayo ngayon? WE ARE ON:

    CHRISTIAN ERA> the period beginning with the year of Christ's birth.

  • kaya yang ang ibigsabhin ng author sa pagkasabing no authority to sanctfyng sunday dahil walang mababasa word for word na salitang sunday, monday, tuesday, wensday, thursday, friday, and even saturday. But to santify the first day yer meron tayong mababasa na may authority num 23:2,18.

  • sir jmguy3, sabi mo si Cardinal Gibbon ang sumulat sa librong "the faith of our father", correction lang hindi si cardinal Gibbon ang sumulat sa libro kundi si  bora. At ang tinutukoy nya jan na kahit sa gen-rev ay walang mababasa na authority to sanctify the day, sunday. dahil wala naman talagang mababasa na word sunday and saturday sa biblia kung balikan ang unang siglo dahil hindi pa na inbento ang roman calendar.

  • ang heb 4:9 gnbv tapos ko na tong sinagot na walang they rest like Gods' resting on the 7th day.. Isa itong nonsequator, mali ang pagkasalin nito.. May dalawang saling ang gnb una ang gnb na walang authority sa paghubad at maraming maling salin at ang pangalawa ay ang gnb na may authority sa katoliko sa paghubad. Kaya nga may gnb na may deutirocanhon at meron ding wala.

  • nagmamayabang ka nanaman na marami kang alam na salitang sabath pero ano ngayon eh hindi mo naman naiintindihan kung ano ang sabbath.. Talagang maraming sabbath kaya wag mo akalain pag sinabing sabbath eh saturday na yon.hehehe.. Kaya wag ka na magmayabang tila marami kang alam, aanhin pa ang kaalaman kung mali naman.

  • ah kaya so sa tingin mo kaano ano mo ang mga judiong hindi nakakaimtindi sa salitang sabbath na ikaw din naman hindi ka nakakaintindi jan, parang napansin ko ma ngayon mo lang nalaman na ang sabbath ay rest sa english hndi saturday.. Hehehe

  • hehehe no authority of santicfyng! Sige tatanunging kita ng isa lamang katanungan. Ayon sa mababasa sa numeros 28:18 ng sinabing " may banal na pagtitipon sa unang araw; huwag kayong gagawa ng anumang trabaho ng mangagawa" utos ba to o hndi? Kung ang sagot mo hindi ito ang mababasa sa numeros 28:2 "ituro mo sa mga isaraelita ang kautusang ito".. Kaya ang num 28:18 utos pa to o hndi? Pakisagot..

  • Post #5: Hindi lang kasi naintindiahan sa karamihan ang sinabi sa Bible na : It is Lawfull " to do good on the Sabbath Day ". pati mga Jew hindi nila naintindihan ang tunay na ibig sabihin nyan kaya, pinapako nila si Christ.. therefore, those against sa mga ginagawa ni Kristo, sila ay mga Anti-Christ....

  • Post #4: Biblical Support

    THE WOMEN KEEP THE SABBATH AFTER DEATH ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT.

    Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.

    Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

    And theres a lot more references my dear brothers...

    Hindi pa ito ang sinabi kong Evidence written by some of your Cardinals...

    To be Con

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  • Post # 3: Biblical Support:

    JESUS CHRIST KEEP THE SABBATH. Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

    DISCIPLES KEEP THE SABBATH

    Act 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

  • Post #2: The Bible tells that " SABBATH " will be observe in New Heavens n New Earth.Isa.66:22-23. Now, maybe you want reference from the New Testament??

    Heb 4:9 : (GNB) As it is, however, there still remains for God's people a rest like God's resting on the seventh day.

    Argument close.... anyone cannot contradict to any Biblical Prophecy and future event like of the one writen in Isa. 66:22-23.

  • Post #1:Faith of Our Fathers,Ed of 1917, pages 72,73 says: “You may read the Bible fr Gen. to Rev., and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify. “ by Cardinal Gibbons. Research nyo kung sino yan si Cardinal Gibbons (Highest authority for the Catholic Church n America. The Bible tells that " SABBATH " will be observe in New Heavens n New Earth.Isa.66:22-23. 

  • Hindi nyo kc alam ang detalye kung paano talaga nagsimula ang sunday keeping... at hindi nyo alam na pinalitan ang Saturday-Sabbath sa sinabi nyong Sunday-Sabbath without Biblical authority, at ang pinaka malala, hindi nyo alam kung sino ang may gawa ng pagbabagong ito, it unfortunately done by a Religious System na " INAAMIN NAMAN ".. Hintayin nyo ang post ko, medyo marami ito at hindi kakasya sa youtube posting kaya bigay mo ang email mo upang ma e send ko sayo lahat ng evidence..

  • salamat Sir dodge sa idinagdag mong kaalaman tungkol sa SABBATH... God bless us..

  • Post # 5

    Recognize this:

    "We keep the eight day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose from the dead." (Letter of Barnabas 15:6-8 [A.D. 74]).

  • @dodge0808 : Sunday keeping has NO BIBLICAL AUTHORITY / WALANG UTOS, ilang besis ko ng pino-post yan... Cardinal nyo na nga ang nag sulat nyan sa mismong libro nya.. hintayin nyo lang ang post ko... pro bigyan ko kayo ng patikim sa sulat nya: Faith of Our Fathers,Ed of 1917, pages 72,73 says:

    cont.

  • @jmguy3

    You said:" Sunday keeping has NO BIBLICAL AUTHORITY/WALANG UTOS."

    Then tell me, Paul was wrong in 1 Cor. 16:1-2 and in Acts 20:7?

    Please care to answer.

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  • @dodge0808 : Faith of Our Fathers,Ed of 1917, pages 72,73 says: “ You may read the Bible from Genesis to REvelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify. “ by Cardinal Gibbons.

    Research nyo kung sino yan si Cardinal Gibbons ( The highest authority for the Catholic Church in America.

  • Post # 4

    "These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ."

    So, by requiring Sunday worship the Church is simply following the lead of the Apostles. There was clearly a day which the early Church considered especially consecrated to the Lord.

    John tells us that he wrote the book of Revelations because of the vision he saw "on the Lord's day." (see Rev. 1:10)

    Continued.

  • Post # 3

    Paul thus worries about the Galatians keeping the Jewish festal calendar (including the Sabbath), which would render his labor to save them in vain (see also Gal. 5:2-5)

    In Col. 2:14-16, Paul mentions the Sabbath by name, stating that Christ has canceled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands... Therefore let no one pass on you in question of food and drink or with regard to festival or a new moon or a sabbath.

    Continued...

  • Post # 2

    Christ both possessed and exercised the authority to change the Sabbath. But was this change a permanent thing-something that extended beyond Christ's own time? Yes.

    We see in Galatians 4:10; Paul says,"You have come to know God...how can you turn back again to the weak and beggarly elements, whose slaves you want to be once more? You observe days, and months, and seasons, and years! I am afraid I have labored you in vain!

    Continued...

  • @jmguy3

    Well, since Jesus was the Son of Man, He had authority to change the Sabbath if He wished. When His disciples "were chastised" for plucking grain on the Sabbath. Please see Mark 2:23-28

    Christ tells us the Sabbath exists to meet the needs of man (for a day of worship and rest), that the Sabbath can be altered by human need (such as the disciples' hunger), and that the Son of Man has the authority to alter (as He died for His people.)

    Continued.

  • qout from jmguy txt

    "kaya nga ang dami

    ng conversion from Sunday

    Keeping belief to Sabbath keeping

    at dadami pa yan pag dating ng "

    BOLD REVELATION OF TRUTH " sunday keeping? We are not sunday keeper but sabbath keeper held every sunday.. Talagang hndi mo alam ibig sabihin ng Sabbath..

  • @renejohnl : Hindi nyo kc alam ang detalye kung paano talaga nagsimula ang sunday keeping... at hindi nyo alam na pinalitan ang Saturday-Sabbath sa sinabi nyong Sunday-Sabbath without Biblical authority, at ang pinaka malala, hindi nyo alam kung sino ang may gawa ng pagbabagong ito, unfortunately done by a Religious System na " INAAMIN NAMAN ".. Hintayin nyo ang post ko, medyo marami ito at hindi kakasya sa youtube posting kaya bigay mo ang email mo upang ma e send ko sayo lahat ng evidence..

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  • sir masaya ako kung may mga taong nagtatanong at nagsasaliksik sa aming doctrina.. Hindi ako tagapagturo at hndi man ako karapatdapat pero sana may makukuha kang aral mula sa akin, at ipagkaloob sana ng Dios Ama ang espiritu santo sa pamamagitan ng kanyang Anak na ating Panginoong Jesucristo. Amen..

  • kaya sir jmguy3 muli ay sisingilin kita hndi mo sinasagot ng tama ang katanungan ko,

    1. SAN MABABASA SA BIBLIA NA ANG SABBATH DAY O REST DAY NG MGA APOSTOLES PARA SUMAMBA SA DIOS AY SA ARAW NG SABADO? YAN HA KLARO NA YAN TANONG KO.. WAG MO AKO SAGOTIN NG SABBATH LANG KASI REST YAN SA ENGLISH HNDI SATURDAY.

    2. San mababasa na hindi binago ni kristo ang kaugalian ni Moises hinabilin nya sa mga Judio? Kasi sabi mo hndi binago.

  • correction lang sir jmguy3 ang good news bible ay hindi totaly hubad ng romano katoliko kundi ng mga protestante na may authority sa paghubad ng biblia mula sa romano katoliko at may mga parti sa biblia na mahirap unawain at sa katoliko nila idinudulog.

  • at pinatunayan din iyan ng mga standard historical books tulad ng world history by obrien, page 143 " sunday was kept holy from the time of the apostoles" at ng webster's new ideal dictionary by a merriam webster "sunday: the 1st day of the week: the Christian SABBATH".

  • pero kung sasabihin mo na dapat 7th day of the week dahil sa ikapitong araw ay nagpapahinga ang Dios at ito binanal ng Dios, mali ka dahil sa totoo hndi naman sa loob ng pitong araw nilikha ng Dios ang lahat kundi sa pamamagitan ni kristo o salita, at ang isang araw ng Dios ay katumbas ng 10,000 at ang 10,000 ay 1. At hindi mapapagud ang Dios Isa 40:28, kaya 'ndi hihinto sa paggawa ang Dios Mat 6:33 at lahat ng araw ay banal Rom 14:5-6.

  • kaya tungkol naman sa sinabi mo na nakasulat sa biblia na "they rested on the sabbath day according to the commandment" wala naman tayong argumento jan dahil kami din ay may sabbath or rest day para makasamba sa Dios pero hndi saturday kundi sunday. Dahil ang unang sabbath ay ipinahinto ng Dios at may ibang sabbath na inilaan para makapagpahinga kasama ng Dios yon ang unang araw. Oseas 2:11- act 6:14, heb 4:8-lev 23:7- num 28:18, luk 24:1, mat 28:1-9.

  • since ipinaliwanag ko na kung ano ibig sabihin ng SABBATH, SABBATISMOS, SABBATA ay may katumbas na REST sa english at PAHINGA sa tagalog, kaya maling salin ang biblia na gamit mo at mali din ang inyong interpretation sa SABBATH..

  • ano sir jmguy3 napakalayo naman sa ipinopostd mo na talatang heb 4:9 sa orihinal na salitang greego na biblia.. Ano po ba ang ibig sabihin ng ARA APOLEIPETAI SABBATISMOS TÕ LAÕ TOU THEOU kung isasalin sa english? Ara- So

    Apoleipetai- there remains

    Sabbatismos- rest

    Tõ- for

    Laõ- people

    Tou- of

    Theou- God.

  • at alam din naman natin ng ang hebrew ay nakasulat sa salitang greego.. Kaya gagamit tayo ng greego at sa greego ba ay may "rest like God's resting on the seventh day"? Ang sagot WALA. Ito po " ARA APOLEIPETAI SABBATISMOS TÕ LAÕ TOU THEOU"

  • Tungkol naman sa Heb 4:9. Marami ako deferent bible version pero wala namang nakasulat na "like God's resting on the seventh day" pero sige pagbibigyan kita. May GNB ako na bisiya version siguro naman hindi lalayo ang kanilang salin, ito po ang sabi " BUSA DUNAY ADLAW SA PAHULAY ALANG SA KATAWHAN SA DIOS" wala pong nakasulat na "PAHULAY PARIHO SA PAHULAY SA DIOS SA ADLAWNG SABADO"