John McCain voted against having a heavy handed government force private insurance companies from being forced to cover medical procedures they choose not to cover?
@TheRealMidori You are the one who has no argument at all. I have stated facts, you just bitch about men and shame talk. My comments are all justified because they are all true and you have done nothing to disprove any of them. Are you fucking nuts? You are jumping all over the place and its all bullshit. If you cant debate like an adult then just dont even bother.
@TheRealMidori Arguing with a feminist or any other type of woman is an exercise in frustration, because women feel. Rationality does not work. The subject will be changed. She is never at fault, and if she is it is because of something a man did. Do not try to use logic or rationality, the only thing that can sway them is their feelings
@TheRealMidori Who cares if you get fake sperm. Why do you keep changing the subject? You cant concentrate on facts? You keep spewing stupid irrational opinions in attempt to shame talk men. The laws are not fair or equal in any way, you know this. All you do is shit talk men to avoid the fact that you get special treatment. More and more guys are option out of marriage than ever before in history. Guys are starting to wake up. Its just not worth it for us and you are proving it right hear.
@TheRealMidori A woman is worth no more than a man, ever. What about all that equality bullshit? Its never been about TRUE equality. Its been about getting special treatment. This is exactly why men need to opt out of marriage till the system corrects itself. If men stay legally detached from women long enough all the child support and welfare for dead beat moms will eventually dry up. Then women will actually have to take care of themselves. Which should be fine because men arent needed right.
@TheRealMidori War reduces the population genius. We dont draft women because a womans life is believed to have more value. Men and boys are throw away people. No one cares about dead men in combat but if they see a dead woman everyone freaks out. Children dont need their fathers any less than their mothers. That is complete fucking bullshit. There are a lot of fucked up kids out there growing up with single mothers who would be a hell of a lot better of with their dads and EVERYONE KNOWS THIS!
@TheRealMidori This is redundant. logic & reason are things you dont understand. The fact is men get the shaft in this countrys legal system. Women have enjoyed privilage and special treatment in our kangaroo court system and laugh at all the guys getting utterly destroyed in the process. Sex and children are used as weapons against men and everyone knows it. Women even joke about. Hell many women even call their first born the insurance policy. Your shame talk doesnt work on me. Fuck yourself.
@TheRealMidori Since you seem to think men dont carry enough of a burden lets see girls forced to enlist with the selective service on their 18th birthday. Lets see fair & honest divorce and child custody laws in place. Lets see women prosecuted and executed at the same rate as men for the same crimes that women get lighter sentencing for. Lets see children awarded to fathers who can give a better home to their children than the mother can and end child support and welfare for dead beat mothers.
@TheRealMidori Sounds like you really hate men. Your always a victim arent you. You blame everything that happens to you on men so you dont have to take responsibility for your own bad decisions in life. You just proved my whole point that women dont want to act like adults. Maby you should "man up" and take responsibility for your own fucked choices in life. I live a very good life and I take responsibility for all my actions, lets see just one woman with that level of maturity just one!
@TheRealMidori You need to get back on your meds. You are delusional. Women are the ones who fuck everything in sight with ill intentions of getting pregnant and landing child support and welfare. Men never get this free ride. We are FORCED to pay or be imprisoned. Women can opt out of a pregnancy and any responsibility life throws at them any time they want. Women have an opt out option for everything in the adult world so they never have to act like adults, only men carry this burden.
The problem is, McCain didnt vote to illegalize birth control, just to not force insurance companies to provide it if they have moral objections. That is their right to object on moral grounds. It is their freedom of religion. If a woman wants birth control she can still buy it. It just won't be free.
I wish this video were reality. Then equality would finally be realized. Men have NO reproductive rights at all, neither should women if true equality is to be established. But women dont really want equality do they, its about privilege & special treatment isnt it girls. Fuck you bitches, man up like you all say. Women get choice, men have responsibility. Lets see the playing field even for a change. The idea of being responsible for your actions is just terrifying isnt it whore.
getting rid of birth control would probably be the dumbest thing to ever do. ever hear of coat hangers being used to abort a baby? better to keep the birth control and pro-choice techniques to avoid that mess altogether.
There's a big difference between supporting birth control and government-funded birth control. I don't want the government using my money to kill people, whether they are soldiers in Iraq or innocent children in the United States.
@spinemelter2000 Yeah, just like germs on your hands equals life and washing them away equals death.
And no, contraceptives are not "abortifacient." Damn, you antis are so prolific in your lies you even forget you're the ones who make them up and fool yourselves. Pathetic really.
Germs on your hands do not have the potential to grow into a human being. That's not a very valid comparison. Many pro-choicers say a fetus is not a living human being 7 months into a pregnancy. I do believe political and religious leaders need to have a realistic, intellectual honest discussion about sex and birth control. I'm certain republicans don't have a solution. I've never voted for a republican in my life.
For a non-human life form, a fetus sure has a lot of human features. It has hands, feet, a heartbeat and a nervous system. That's why it feels pain when its body is torn apart one limb at a time. If a fetus isn't a human, what kind of an animal is it?
@spinemelter2000 so if your mother or gf was brutally raped and got pregnant with the rapists baby you would keep it and raise it as your son or little brother? doubt it
Our constitution has guided us throughout our journey and now few people are questioning the good standing of our constitution on the basis of which race or religion is more American than others. My fellow Americans, we must not give into these radicals misguided views. Let’s not be ruled by fear, distrust and blood shed.
Why would he require insurance companies to cover birth control? Insurance companies are private organizations, and the government should not be telling them what to do!
Well, if you weight it out, I would think birth control is much cheaper than a medical procedure, possible operations, and (depending on the amout of complications if there are any and of course after the birth) hospital stays. Then you have the possibilities of if the baby is born with birth defects and have to consider those as well. Birth control seems a lot cheaper to cover than all of that.
bodies-whether it is wrong/justified or not. But I guess that is too much to understand coming from a person (I’m guessing male who doesn’t know how it feels to be a woman) who blames the victim that gets raped by their attacker. And as far as S.R. (again male) goes, I couldn’t give a fuck because women all over the world will always have their right to decide.
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Pro-choice? HAHAHA That is hilarious. She made her choice when she opened her legs. As for someone being raped, if you are raped, you made the choice to go wherever you were at the time you went there, thereby exposing yourself to that situation. The child that was conceived as a result of your lack of situational awareness and caution shouldn't be killed because it's mother didn't pay attention to her surroundings and make sure that she was safe. The world is not safe, so don't act like it is.
@iktomi22 Wow you are a total fuck-head. How can you say that it's a women's fault that she is raped b/c she happens to be in a rough place?! You are retarded. What about the 11-year-old girl who gets raped and impregnated by her father? Or the young woman who had the sense to use a condom but it tore resulting in her unwanted pregnancy? Wow....I bet you're male.
@iktomi22 Well actually I'm a premed student at one of the best universities in the world.Second it is not a baby that is being aborted:it is an embryo or a fetus not a baby that has been born.A woman has the right to make the decision for herself whether to abort or not. Last time I checked this was a free country. And by the way,the Bible itself says that it is only wrong to kill a person that has already been born (they are not considered to be human).I forgot the exact verse but it's there.
@iktomi22 OK that is stupid. I DO have a soul. It is a women's right to do what ever she wants with her body. Why should a living, BREATHING human-being, with a birthday (that has been born),have to kill themselves just because they want an abortion. That doesn't make sense at all. The day unborn embryos/fetuses all over the world are counted as part of the human population is when abortion can be considered wrong. Yes they aren't, then technically they don't exist as humans on this planet.
@iktomi22 Wow you are seriously close-minded and can't seem to be able 2 make any justifiable sense.Pro-choice DOES NOT = "ant-life". 'Choice' is the key word. A woman in this supposed free country has all the right to chose how 2 run her life.God-forbid you (serioisly doubt b/c I'm pretty sure you're male:Hence your ignorance),or sister or wife/girlfriend,or mother(if you even have any of those)is raped while out running errands,and impregnated by their attacker.I wonder how you'd take it then.
@iktomi22 Seriously? I do have a heart and I care about people and their rights. YOU on the other hand blame an innocent woman for getting raped; saying that it's all her fault it happened to her, and you're calling me heartless? Soooo...you go on and on about how abortion is wrong-which it isn't, givin' CERTAIN circumstances-but yet you wish my mom aborted me? Hypocriical , no? Maybe YOUR mother should've aborted you! Dumb-ass!
@iktomi22 Well u stupid,horse-fucking jack-ass(is that2much name-calling4ya?)maybe ur mother should've aborted U!Actually,she should've probably killed u when you where a child!*Gasps!*Is that wrong?By attempting2belittle me by saying my mother should've aborted me,u AGREE with the fact that a woman has the right2do WHATEVER she wants with her body.Having the "option"2do what you want2do IS a "right". It's not fair fare 4 a woman 2 go through the pain of giving birth 2 a child she didn't want.
@iktomi22 Well actually I am going to get the last word because I don't give up so easily. I am a smart person that knows that people deserve the right to control their own body. And you know what? I could give a shit if I change your mind or not, because what I know is: THERE WILL ALWAYS BE WOMEN IN THE WORLD THAT WILL EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO BIRTH CONTROL AND ABORTIONS. That won't change. ( :
@iktomi22 Troll I am smart person. You must not have the full brain capacity to understand what Pro-CHOICE means. A woman has the RIGHT-the decision whether she wants to or not-to get an abortion. It's not really murdering if the fetus wasn't born. It can be called "murder" when embryos/fetuses are counted as part of the world POPLULATION (which they aren’t) and/or given a SS no. (i.e. as far as the U.S. goes)-which they aren’t. Women can decide for themselves what they want to do with their
@iktomi22 OK I know that some women are pro-life.Again,babies aren't being killed:it's fertilized eggs, embryos and fetuses that are being aborted.Not breathing babies that have been born.I don't hate men, as I am a straight woman.I HATE men that think that they know what a woman can or cannot do with their bodies.if I'm projecting MY opinions, then what are you doing?The same thing.As for those women,they are most likely Christians who think that this un-Godly nation should rule by the Bible.
@iktomi22 What the hell are you on about? I've been on vacation. Honestly are you Christian, because Christians are the main ones who are so against abortion. If you and your little friends decide to keep an unwanted embryo/fetus, then that's fine. But there are plenty of women out there who have and exercise the right to get an abortion. Free will. You don't have to. But others can.
@iktomi22 (Long sigh) EMBRYOS/FETUSES are NOT BABIES! Like I said before, e/f aren't even born. Babies who are born, are the ones that have rights. As well as birth certificates, SS#'s, etc. Women who have been defiled by getting raped SHOULD NOT be able to wait agonizing months to give birth to a baby that they didn't even consent to the intercourse in the first place. If the emb./fet.'s do supposedly have rights then they need to be counted as part of the human population-which they aren't.
@iktomi22 Wow.I am stating the fact that people BORN in2 this country are given SS#'s b/c it's used4a multitude of purposes including population count.U are confusing yourself.U can't abort ppl who are already born and embryos&fetuses ARE NOT counted as part of the human population b/c pop. only accounts 4 people that have been born.Of course they are human u twat.As 4 'people like [me]" I hope that I never will come 2 the chance 2 even think about aborting but women of course have the right 2.
@iktomi22 There aren't any "real" rights? Then abortion shouldn't matter to you because embryos don't have rights which means that it's fine for a woman to chose to have an abortion or not. You're getting old. All I know s that women DO HAVE THE RIGHT/CHOICE/OPTION of getting an abortion if they want to. Whether you think so or not.
@iktomi22 Whew!That was a nice break from trolls like you. I'm not an idiot, asswipe. YOU are the 1 who thinks that things should be run your way. Because I believe that women can get an abortion does not make me heartless. Believe in me I AM GETTING THE LAST WORD!! YOU just need to give up bc women will still be able to abort.Why do you even care about abortion?Since as you say ppl don't have rights, then a fertilized egg,embryo,fetus don't have the right to live. Please do get over yourself.
@iktomi22 Ugh you again? You're contradicting yourself. If,as you said before, people don't have rights then why does it matter what a women does with her body? I'm not heartless you Dumb Cunt! You do know the difference between someone who has been BORN-has breathed oxygen. As opposed to embryos that don't even count as part of the population. Killing the mother makes no sense. Funny how you call me heartless when you're the one who blames the victim for getting raped.
@iktomi22 No you fucktard. I mean breathing oxygen by themselves. Well obviously their receiving oxygen; primarily from the mother. Their using the mother's respiratory system among others to survive. But they can't or have not taken a breath on their own unlike people that have been born.
@iktomi22 Man are you getting stupider? Or is your brain just not comprehending what i'm trying to get at you? Dude the prospect of already being BORN is that you're out of the womb. How the hell would you abort a person that has already been born? Gosh you're slow. Any medical mishaps a person as a once they've been born is just a process people go through in life. Including, sometimes, the RIGHT/OPTION a woman uses to abort whether it be for health reasons or personal.
@iktomi22 Oh did ya miss me? I've been far too busy. Well then if "abort" means 'terminating prematurely" then that's that! Most abortions are aborted w/in the first trimester. FETUSES at that stage can't survive on their own.
Please just move on because women will still have them.
And don't try to teach me about grammar; I am a medical student.
@iktomi22 Well u obviously aren't serious if u think being a med school student means that u are an idiot an that anyone can be one. Wow your just not a very good human being aren't you? You have no respect for women's rights,you blame rape victims for the violence that gets branded on them, and you're contradicting in hoping that a living, breathing human being dies.Not a good look mate. You know what? What comes around comes around: make sure you look both ways before crossing the street, eh.
@iktomi22 Seriously? Common sense and an intellectual thought processes, amongst other positive attributes, is what got me into med school. It's like you're implying that Snooki, of all people, could get into Johns Hopkins.You are very confused in thinking that it's OK for many living, breathing human beings to die in place of a blastocyst/zygote/embryo/fetus that no one will miss. You have no heart and no respect for women's rights. "I respect...rights" my ass. No you do not.
@iktomi22 Oh boy. Missed me much? Far too busy as may know (don't care if you do or not since you don't). So because I believe that women have the right to give birth or not and I unlike your dumbass don't blame a rape victim from being abused means I was molested? Your reasoning of life is one of the most absurd...YOU'RE JUST CRAZY! As someone who is well educated I can tell you AGAIN that babies don't get aborted. Embryo's and fetuses do. Open a text book.
I am a woman. I beleive abortion is wrong. iam not going to the best university in the world, but i have enough common sence to know murder is murder. It is not the fault of a woman who got raped, but nor is it the child's, so why should the child be killed. I was sexually abused as a child, it left me broken for many years, and it did turn me into quiet a feminist. but i realized feminism doesnt lie in destroying motherhood, but in its reverence and respect.
@FallaNight Well I am sorry you where raped but part of feminism is th choice for a woman to do whatever she wants with her reproductive organs. Secondly, the embryo or fetus that is in the womb is just that. It hasn't taken a breath of air or anything. I hope I never get an abortion, but women have the right to have one or not. Pro-life activists are also pro-choice, because they choose to not have or want an abortion. I'd rather a woman terminate a pregnancy at 1 month than at 8.
@Onihtown Furthermore, virtually none of the abortions performed are on rape victims or abnormal children. Stop lying to people. You won't put such foul business past me.
@Lachdenan You are not serious. Are you saying that rape victims don't get abortions? Never? Wow you seriously need to do some further research because you obviously need to be further educated about this issue. Women have abortions for many different reasons. Some reasonable, some not. You talk about the "freedom of the father" when the fact is many women don't know the fathers that impregnated them, or they simply runaway-which many of them do. (Sighing at your simple-mindedness.)
@Onihtown Do you think this is boot camp? In no way is it acceptable to use a declaration of simple-mindedness as proof of such. Here's some simple-mindedness for you: if women didn't have such ridiculous abuses of power in play, then perhaps they would know whose dick was in their vagina recently. I can't think of a greater example of irresponsibility that children don't deserve to suffer for. And rape victims are NOT a statistically significant percentage. Nice try on the re-framing.
@Onihtown You are lying about the bible. You are also quoting the doctors that came from Nazi Germany who revamped abortion into a "medical procedure." They call babies diseases to be cured, just like they did the Jews. They also have the same companies that started them--the new Abortion Pill is descended from the Zyklon-B makers. "Fetus" is a word, made up by a Nazi doctor, to enable him to cut up a child. Where is the freedom for the father or child? They have the freedom to be slaves.
@Onihtown so i guess the thing thats moving away from the suction tube to avoid being sucked out of its mother alive isnt a person right? and how about partial birth? that thing thats coming out of a woman isnt a person?
@sk8erfreak9242 No. It's an embryo or a fetus. People's lives don't start on the date of fertilization, rather on the DAY A PERSON IS BORN. It's not too difficult to understand. Look at a gravestone: it has the DATE OF BIRTH to the date of death.
because as we all know, married women have never sought birth control or abortions. and no one has EVER gotten pregnant with only one partner. and we can't forget the most important: pregnancy, birth control, abortion, etc are issues that only raging whore will ever have to deal with.
Abortinist Martin Haskell describes how the human unborn baby is alive when the dismembering begins in a pro-choice D&E abortion: "And typically when the abortion is started we...know that the fetus is still alive because either we can feel it move as we're making our initial grasps or if we're using some...ultrasound (and) we actually see a heartbeat as we're starting the procedure."
"There's no crushing, no slicing, no dismembering involved (with abortion)."
With a pro-choice suction-aspiration abortion, the abortionist inserts (into the womb) a hollow plastic tube, which has a knife-like edge on the tip. The force of the machine's suction (pulling through the tube) tears the baby's unanesthesized body into pieces. The abortionist then cuts the placenta from the wall of the mother's womb.
@kweer58 Why would it need to be anesthetized? At that early a stage the fetus does not have a nervous system developed enough to feel pain anyway. And there isn't a knife edge in a vacuum aspiration abortion, I think you've mistaken it for dilation and cutterage.
By 8 weeks after conception, the preborn child has the physical structures needed to feel pain: (1) a sensory nerve to feel the pain and send a message to (2) the developing thalamus, part of the base of the brain, and (3) motor nerves that send a message to that area.
Anesthesizing the baby before killing her does not make the killing "right". But if you or I were the one scheduled to be killed by "choice", we would want the same mercy.
@kweer58 Actually most researchers find it unlikely that a fetus can feel pain prior to 7 months. Thalamocortical connections, which are required for the perception of pain, aren't even present until about 26 weeks.
The cerebral cortex deals more with the "psychological" aspects of pain.
However, the structures to experience "physiological" pain are in place at 8 weeks after conception.
It is correct to say that no one reading this knows exactly how much pain the baby feels while the abortionist is killing her...because none of us were, personally aborted. But let's not advocate the violent "choice" to (often painfully) one who, unlike us, is unable to defend herself.
About whether the preborn baby feels the abortionist killing her...Watch how the baby reacts while she is being killed. You can see an ultrasound of this on YouTube (The 1985 film "The Silent Scream Part 3 High Resolution").
The phony criticisms of the ultrasound (manufactured by pro-choice groups) are addressed in the "Text Comments".
"Edit", "Find on this page". Look for "Criticism of Silent Scream" by "kweer58". There are 8 of those "Text Comments".
@kweer58 Oh please, that 'Silent Scream' video was debunked long ago.
Studies is electroencephalography assert that withdrawal reflexes and changes in heart rate and hormone levels are reflexive actions to invasive procedures and not indicative of a pain response. Again, pain perception in fetuses is unlikely to exist until late in pregnancy and even then is unlikely to be anywhere near the same level that we feel or what a woman feels in childbirth.
@ juliewashere88: "Oh please, that 'Silent Scream' video was debunked long ago."
Go to the YouTube site "The Silent Scream part 3 High Resolution". You will read where the phony criticisms of that authentic ultrasound are addressed...and then effectively debunked.
Read in the "Text Comments", look for "kweer58", and find key word "criticism".
The other "The Silent Scream" sites on YouTube also contain the effective debunking of Planned Parenthood's misleading propaganda brochure.
@ juliewashere88: No "knife edge in a vacuum aspiration abortion..."
I believe the suction aspiration abortion instruments to which I refer was correct: "hollow plastic tube, which has a knife-like edge on the tip".
But it is true that the killing instruments may vary among abortionists. E.g., some abortionists may first use a instrument (a hollow tube) to crush up the baby. Then they may use a second instrument (a knife-like instrument) to cut the placenta out of the mother's womb.
@ juliewashere88: "(Y)ou've mistaken (suction aspiration abortion) for dilation and cutterage..."
The suction aspiration method is described in my other post.
The D&C abortion is similar, but some different. The abortionist inserts a knife-like object into the uterus. With it, he cuts the placenta and the baby into pieces. He then scrapes the pieces out.
There is often a lot of blood. That would include the baby's blood, which is often different from the mother's blood type.
@kweer58@kweer58 Actually in Dr. Haskell's paper Dilation and Extraction for Late Second Trimester Abortion, he writes "Two techniques of late second trimester D&E's have been described at previous NAF meetings. The first relies on sterile urea intra-amniotic infusion to cause fetal demise and lysis (or softening) of fetal tissues prior to surgery."
The one from which I quoted came from a court hearing (in Wisconsin, I believe). As you see by the quote, the baby is alive when the pro-choice D&E abortion begins dismembering the baby.
Pro-abortion rights group try to explain away the violence of killing the baby. This is done to shield their own conscience. It makes it easier for them to continue to advocate the "choice" to kill the unborn baby.
@kweer58 cont. "The second technique is to rupture the membranes 24 hours prior to surgery and cut the umbilical cord. Fetal death and ensuing autolysis soften the tissues. There are attendant risks of infection with this method.
In summary, approaches to late second trimester D&E's rely upon some means to induce early fetal demise to soften the fetal tissues making dismemberment easier. "
The pro-choice D&E abortion involves the dismemberment of the unanesthesized preborn baby.
The abortionist inserts a pliers-like instrument into the womb, seizes a leg or other part of the baby's body, and, with a twisting motion, tears it from the baby's body. This is repeated again and again until the pro-choice procedure is completed. The skull is crushed for easy removal.
@kweer58 Well, actually the fetal death occurs hours before the D&E surgery begins, often by injection or severance of the umbilical chord and puncture of the placenta. It is not in fact killed by skull puncture as many pro-lifers like to claim.
@ juliewashere88: "(F)etal death occurs...before the D&E surgery.."
As with the Partial Birth Abortion, this isn't always true.
"In a standard D&E abortion" the baby "dies because it is torn apart". (Gonzales v Carhart).
And always remember the 1991 Ana Rodriguez case. While she was in-utero, the abortionist did an "incomplete" D&E abortion. He only managed to rip off one of her arms. Ana (who'd been the fetus the abortionist tried to kill) was born, alive, with her right arm missing.
And I remember the draft in Vietnam. The rich white kids--daddy sent them to school. Us po' white trash, and minorities, we go a ticket to the jungle in one hand and a gun in the other. Sometimes we came back, some times we came back in chunks, and sometimes we didn't come back at all.
"Pro-choice" and "Anti-choice". Take responsibility for the words that are used. Acknowledge what they mean. When one says "I am pro-choice", finish the sentence truthfully. To do so would be to say "I am pro-choice to kill" the unborn baby for any socio-economic reason. It is the "choice" to crush (slice or otherwise dismember) an unanesthesized human unborn baby to death. When the conversation focuses on what the "choice" is in "pro-choice", it makes "anti-choice" sound like a compliment.
You know, those really aren't the methods of abortion. There are some injections used, and vacuums (manual or electrical) may be used. D&C or D&E may be used, as may induced miscarriage or a hysterectomy, but partial-birth abortions are federally banned in the U.S.
There's no crushing, no slicing, no dismembering involved.
@hitheresunshine Partial-birth abortion isn't actually the name of any abortion procedure. It's a political term, not a medical one. It is probably meant to refer to D&E but represent it in a misleading way.
@ juliewashere88: Partial birth abortion as "misleading".
During this now-banned procedure, the abortionist pulls the baby out of the mother, except for the head ("partial birth"). The abortionist then jabs an instrument into the baby's skull and kills her ("abortion"). The term "partial birth abortion" was accurate.
In 7/93, abortionist apologists claimed the baby was dead "24 hrs" before the PBA. My reference to abortionists like Martin Haskell shows how that was usually not the case.
@ juliewashere88: "'Abortion apologist'? You mean abortion doctor."
No, I referred to the abortion apologists as those who made up excuses to justify the killing done in a pro-choice PBA. (E.g. Morrisville, VT "Transcript" editorial, also from '93. It, incorrectly, claimed the baby was "dead 24 hours before" the pro-choice PBA procedure began.)
Abortionists who did the PBAs (like Martin Haskell) acknowledged that the baby was usually alive until the end of the (now banned) procedure.
Request for sources about the now-banned partial birth abortion (PBA).
See the American Medical News, 7/5/93. Article posted @: dubya dubya dubya . nrlc . org/abortion/pba/AmericanMedicalNews1993.pdf
It is correct that, in some cases, the abortionist would kill the baby prior to suctioning her brains out of her skull. More often, the baby was alive while the PBA procedure began. (That's in the article.)
In both circumstances, the abortionist would kill the baby.
@kweer58 Thanks for the source. The article states that Dr. Haskel said this, but it isn't known if it's true. That same articles says elsewhere that the fetus is dead 24 hrs prior.
As long as we're only quoting one doctor, I'll stick to the report which he wrote himself.
human rigts? and what about the babies rights? o i forgot an unborn is not a human being.. right? who will protect babies from this silent painfull war against them? if you dont want a baby use a condom take pills put a diafragm do something!!! we live in civilized countries and "i didnt knew how to protect my self from a pregnency" is not an excuse...
Lord God, I thank you today for the gift of my life. I know there is nothing that destroys more life than abortion. Today I commit myself Never to be silent, Never to be passive, Never to be forgetful of the unborn. I commit myself to be active in the pro-life movement, And never to stop defending life Until all my brothers and sisters are protected, And our nation once again becomes A nation with liberty and justice Not just for some, but for all, Through Christ our Lord. Amen!
Abortion can help so many lives too, havent thought about that? If a woman gets raped and then pregnant, she shouldnt do abortion? Even worse, what if she's 14?
"Killing the Jews and mentally ill can help so many lives. If the Jews and those who are mentally/physically disabled inconvenience people shouldn't we kill them? Shouldn't we kill them because their fathers committed a crime? What if the Jews inconvenience young people. Shouldn't we kill them?"
Make sure you are not on the wrong side of this issue. Abortion murders a human being.
Of course I think that is wrong but there is nothing wrong in the ABORTION, the wrong lies in the sexual education. Im from sweden so I dont know what you got in the US, but girls dont use abortion cause they're to lazy to use condoms in Sweden
We have had sex education in our schools for over 40 years now. IT HAS FAILED. Today half the teenagers are sexually active before they are out of highschool . In my day it was like 15%.
Abortion is murdering an innocent. Half the people teaching sex education are unqualified to do so. ONLY YOUR parents are qualified, because they are the only ones who love you enough to tell you the truth
I dont think you understand, if a woman gets raped, she shouldnt have the option to do an abortion and go on with her life? she should just stay with someone else's kid?
Abortion is murdering, yes. But you cannot force, lets say, a 13 year old girl who got raped to keep the child.
Yeah, she should go to the 'meat shop' and let them hack up the fetus into lieces and then extract them from her. You really believe this won't be worse on her than taking the child to term and then ADOPTING OUT???
Are you a dude? Cause if you were a 14 year old girl, I think you'd understand. Im not a female nor am I 14, but I still think its worse to destroy her life. I'd rather do an abortion but I know what you mean too, its not right that they use abortion as a condom. Thats the parents and the childrens morale's fault.
click n profile. I am over 60, male. She is going to have trouble whether she careis to term ornot. I firmly believe there is a chance for resurring nightmares if a young girl opts for abortion AND VERY often they get an abortion because they are PRESSURED to do so
I guess you are right. One can put anything on their profile. HOWEVER, if someone is claiming to be 55 or more; I can soon know if they are fudgng the numbers. Just need to chat a while, about the old days, and they will give themselves away.
For eg, very few can tell me when and where Kennedy was shot... but every boomer remembers what they were doing when they first heard the news
It's a day I will never forget,a dn believe it or not, it shook me a lot more than 9-11
Also, no one is forcing the kid to keep the child. Adoption is a great example. There are thousands of people willing to adopt a child because they cannot have some on their own. In addition, there are many no questions asked situations where teens or adults can simply leave a child at a hospital or church obviously resulting in an orphan situation where adoption is once again an option. Abortion should be seen as the last resort for any circumstance!
crazy: There are thousands of people willing to adopt a child Then why are there 240,000 in foster care up for adoption today? Why are the 300 new babies living in NY hospitals because there is not one available to adopt them AND not enough foster care providers? And if abortion stopped that could mean a MILLION parentless kids born EVERY year!! 10 MILLION in 10 yrs. Come out of your cave & see whats REALLY going on "out there"!! Knowledge is power!
I can give you the number of about 10 couples gay and straight that would be happy to take that baby of that ladies hands... we dont have to kill the embryo or the baby. and I;m not gonna post a prayer or anything like that other dude, but look up the words MORTAL SIN. that should give you some insight. On why we shouldnt kill anything that doesnt have a say in it.
Yea that is totally right. In the same sense a coke addict or meth head should totally be able to shoot up and snort because its their body, its their choice. Also people should be able to walk the streets naked because they don't like the feel of clothes, you know, its their choice because its their body. I'm not trying to sound like a dick, I'm just trying to show how that pro-choice argument really is worth jack shit. Come up with a better answer for abortion
@crazzyguy89 errr... what's wrong with nudists? They didnt do anything to you. North America is so stuck up. go to Europe. they are much more relaxed about nudity.
crazy: In the same sense a coke addict or meth head should totally be able to shoot up There is NO law against taking drugs! You think people are imprisoned for being high??? No, they are not,. get smarter crazy!
Our society is selfish. It is really sad that a child must die so that we can live the way we want to. The solution to unwanted pregnancy is NOT HAVING SEX! Unless you are willing to be responsible and accept the consequences of sex then you shouldn't be having it! It is as simple as that! Unfortunately we have a society filled with people who don't believe in selflessness. Also, "If we can accept that a mother can kill her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?"
Men can go from woman to woman not caring anything about the individual other than that they can satisfy their own selfish desires. The ability to carry a child and give birth makes the woman unique among men but when women allow men to pervert this gift for pleasure how can women say they made themselves better through "the right to their own body"?
The right to abortion came about in the fight for women's rights. So they can have as many rights as men have and not be belittled by men. But if you ask me the right of abortion hasn't boosted women as a whole but has allowed men to degrade them even more than ever before. Men treat women more like objects of desire as a result, rather than human beings because they know that the consequences of sex are null and void with contraceptives and abortion.
democratic propoganda? that is laughable, and republicans bashing democrats is any better than propoganda? pffft. Im pro choice because people deserve to decide for themselves. Babies don't even get consciousness until 4 months into pregnancy. so i say anytime before that is ok by my books. As for people not allowed to have sex, yeah right like that will ever happen, thats the beauty of democracy, we can choose.
I know McCain hates fat chick, I know he hates 'the gooks', as well. Is it the ugly jokes he made about Chelsea? I don't know. I'm not watching the video, let me try that. Oh, the gook thing and the fat chicks wern't enough, they had to throw birth control in there as well. "I hate the gooks, I'll hate them until the day I die", simply wouldn't do, eh?
pssst.... I did. Have a pro-choice music video in the making right now.
It's called "Small Town Boy" on my new channel right here.
Barendwoods 3 months ago
John McCain voted against having a heavy handed government force private insurance companies from being forced to cover medical procedures they choose not to cover?
So in other words John McCain is for freedom.
quarterxchange 5 months ago
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@TheRealMidori You are the one who has no argument at all. I have stated facts, you just bitch about men and shame talk. My comments are all justified because they are all true and you have done nothing to disprove any of them. Are you fucking nuts? You are jumping all over the place and its all bullshit. If you cant debate like an adult then just dont even bother.
onemansrage 8 months ago
@TheRealMidori Arguing with a feminist or any other type of woman is an exercise in frustration, because women feel. Rationality does not work. The subject will be changed. She is never at fault, and if she is it is because of something a man did. Do not try to use logic or rationality, the only thing that can sway them is their feelings
onemansrage 8 months ago
@TheRealMidori Who cares if you get fake sperm. Why do you keep changing the subject? You cant concentrate on facts? You keep spewing stupid irrational opinions in attempt to shame talk men. The laws are not fair or equal in any way, you know this. All you do is shit talk men to avoid the fact that you get special treatment. More and more guys are option out of marriage than ever before in history. Guys are starting to wake up. Its just not worth it for us and you are proving it right hear.
onemansrage 8 months ago
@TheRealMidori A woman is worth no more than a man, ever. What about all that equality bullshit? Its never been about TRUE equality. Its been about getting special treatment. This is exactly why men need to opt out of marriage till the system corrects itself. If men stay legally detached from women long enough all the child support and welfare for dead beat moms will eventually dry up. Then women will actually have to take care of themselves. Which should be fine because men arent needed right.
onemansrage 8 months ago
@TheRealMidori War reduces the population genius. We dont draft women because a womans life is believed to have more value. Men and boys are throw away people. No one cares about dead men in combat but if they see a dead woman everyone freaks out. Children dont need their fathers any less than their mothers. That is complete fucking bullshit. There are a lot of fucked up kids out there growing up with single mothers who would be a hell of a lot better of with their dads and EVERYONE KNOWS THIS!
onemansrage 8 months ago
@TheRealMidori This is redundant. logic & reason are things you dont understand. The fact is men get the shaft in this countrys legal system. Women have enjoyed privilage and special treatment in our kangaroo court system and laugh at all the guys getting utterly destroyed in the process. Sex and children are used as weapons against men and everyone knows it. Women even joke about. Hell many women even call their first born the insurance policy. Your shame talk doesnt work on me. Fuck yourself.
onemansrage 8 months ago
@TheRealMidori Since you seem to think men dont carry enough of a burden lets see girls forced to enlist with the selective service on their 18th birthday. Lets see fair & honest divorce and child custody laws in place. Lets see women prosecuted and executed at the same rate as men for the same crimes that women get lighter sentencing for. Lets see children awarded to fathers who can give a better home to their children than the mother can and end child support and welfare for dead beat mothers.
onemansrage 8 months ago
@TheRealMidori Sounds like you really hate men. Your always a victim arent you. You blame everything that happens to you on men so you dont have to take responsibility for your own bad decisions in life. You just proved my whole point that women dont want to act like adults. Maby you should "man up" and take responsibility for your own fucked choices in life. I live a very good life and I take responsibility for all my actions, lets see just one woman with that level of maturity just one!
onemansrage 8 months ago
@TheRealMidori You need to get back on your meds. You are delusional. Women are the ones who fuck everything in sight with ill intentions of getting pregnant and landing child support and welfare. Men never get this free ride. We are FORCED to pay or be imprisoned. Women can opt out of a pregnancy and any responsibility life throws at them any time they want. Women have an opt out option for everything in the adult world so they never have to act like adults, only men carry this burden.
onemansrage 8 months ago
The problem is, McCain didnt vote to illegalize birth control, just to not force insurance companies to provide it if they have moral objections. That is their right to object on moral grounds. It is their freedom of religion. If a woman wants birth control she can still buy it. It just won't be free.
GracieLacie333 8 months ago
I wish this video were reality. Then equality would finally be realized. Men have NO reproductive rights at all, neither should women if true equality is to be established. But women dont really want equality do they, its about privilege & special treatment isnt it girls. Fuck you bitches, man up like you all say. Women get choice, men have responsibility. Lets see the playing field even for a change. The idea of being responsible for your actions is just terrifying isnt it whore.
onemansrage 10 months ago
Lol bullshit american political propaganda is hilarious
swolf816 1 year ago
getting rid of birth control would probably be the dumbest thing to ever do. ever hear of coat hangers being used to abort a baby? better to keep the birth control and pro-choice techniques to avoid that mess altogether.
3388stph 1 year ago
There's a big difference between supporting birth control and government-funded birth control. I don't want the government using my money to kill people, whether they are soldiers in Iraq or innocent children in the United States.
spinemelter2000 1 year ago
@spinemelter2000 Birth control doesn't kill people. It saves people.
And this video was about insurance companies being required to cover birth control, just like they do all other prescription medications.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
Some kinds of birth control are an abortifacient. Conception = life. Destroying a conceived embryo = death.
spinemelter2000 1 year ago
@spinemelter2000 Yeah, just like germs on your hands equals life and washing them away equals death.
And no, contraceptives are not "abortifacient." Damn, you antis are so prolific in your lies you even forget you're the ones who make them up and fool yourselves. Pathetic really.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
Germs on your hands do not have the potential to grow into a human being. That's not a very valid comparison. Many pro-choicers say a fetus is not a living human being 7 months into a pregnancy. I do believe political and religious leaders need to have a realistic, intellectual honest discussion about sex and birth control. I'm certain republicans don't have a solution. I've never voted for a republican in my life.
spinemelter2000 1 year ago
@spinemelter2000 That's right, germs aren't human beings. Neither are fetuses.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@juliewashere88 if germs can turn into a human being, i'll give you some credit on it but so far, this really none sense and yeah, i'm bad baby
ThePinoyEagle 1 year ago
For a non-human life form, a fetus sure has a lot of human features. It has hands, feet, a heartbeat and a nervous system. That's why it feels pain when its body is torn apart one limb at a time. If a fetus isn't a human, what kind of an animal is it?
spinemelter2000 1 year ago
@spinemelter2000 so if your mother or gf was brutally raped and got pregnant with the rapists baby you would keep it and raise it as your son or little brother? doubt it
pat442389 11 months ago
its all good ill fuck my wife in the ass !!! natures condom !!
NO LUBE For her im diving straight in !
Wanderlei420 1 year ago
Our constitution has guided us throughout our journey and now few people are questioning the good standing of our constitution on the basis of which race or religion is more American than others. My fellow Americans, we must not give into these radicals misguided views. Let’s not be ruled by fear, distrust and blood shed.
aasisiddique 1 year ago
Because women are natzis.
omega4chimp 1 year ago
Why would he require insurance companies to cover birth control? Insurance companies are private organizations, and the government should not be telling them what to do!
aaa333ify 1 year ago
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Why not? That helps them when they dont have to pay for maternity stays.
Kitsune1414 1 year ago
@Kitsune1414 what do you mean?
aaa333ify 1 year ago
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Well, if you weight it out, I would think birth control is much cheaper than a medical procedure, possible operations, and (depending on the amout of complications if there are any and of course after the birth) hospital stays. Then you have the possibilities of if the baby is born with birth defects and have to consider those as well. Birth control seems a lot cheaper to cover than all of that.
Kitsune1414 1 year ago
Brutally clear and direct. I like it.
doctorpsycho1960 1 year ago
you are a true anti-abotionist if you have at least 3 adopted children that some mothers put up for adoption because they didn't want to abort them
goodlookingish 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
bodies-whether it is wrong/justified or not. But I guess that is too much to understand coming from a person (I’m guessing male who doesn’t know how it feels to be a woman) who blames the victim that gets raped by their attacker. And as far as S.R. (again male) goes, I couldn’t give a fuck because women all over the world will always have their right to decide.
Onihtown 1 year ago 2
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Pro-choice? HAHAHA That is hilarious. She made her choice when she opened her legs. As for someone being raped, if you are raped, you made the choice to go wherever you were at the time you went there, thereby exposing yourself to that situation. The child that was conceived as a result of your lack of situational awareness and caution shouldn't be killed because it's mother didn't pay attention to her surroundings and make sure that she was safe. The world is not safe, so don't act like it is.
iktomi22 1 year ago
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@iktomi22 Wow you are a total fuck-head. How can you say that it's a women's fault that she is raped b/c she happens to be in a rough place?! You are retarded. What about the 11-year-old girl who gets raped and impregnated by her father? Or the young woman who had the sense to use a condom but it tore resulting in her unwanted pregnancy? Wow....I bet you're male.
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 Well actually I'm a premed student at one of the best universities in the world.Second it is not a baby that is being aborted:it is an embryo or a fetus not a baby that has been born.A woman has the right to make the decision for herself whether to abort or not. Last time I checked this was a free country. And by the way,the Bible itself says that it is only wrong to kill a person that has already been born (they are not considered to be human).I forgot the exact verse but it's there.
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 OK that is stupid. I DO have a soul. It is a women's right to do what ever she wants with her body. Why should a living, BREATHING human-being, with a birthday (that has been born),have to kill themselves just because they want an abortion. That doesn't make sense at all. The day unborn embryos/fetuses all over the world are counted as part of the human population is when abortion can be considered wrong. Yes they aren't, then technically they don't exist as humans on this planet.
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 Wow you are seriously close-minded and can't seem to be able 2 make any justifiable sense.Pro-choice DOES NOT = "ant-life". 'Choice' is the key word. A woman in this supposed free country has all the right to chose how 2 run her life.God-forbid you (serioisly doubt b/c I'm pretty sure you're male:Hence your ignorance),or sister or wife/girlfriend,or mother(if you even have any of those)is raped while out running errands,and impregnated by their attacker.I wonder how you'd take it then.
Onihtown 1 year ago 2
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 Seriously? I do have a heart and I care about people and their rights. YOU on the other hand blame an innocent woman for getting raped; saying that it's all her fault it happened to her, and you're calling me heartless? Soooo...you go on and on about how abortion is wrong-which it isn't, givin' CERTAIN circumstances-but yet you wish my mom aborted me? Hypocriical , no? Maybe YOUR mother should've aborted you! Dumb-ass!
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 Well u stupid,horse-fucking jack-ass(is that2much name-calling4ya?)maybe ur mother should've aborted U!Actually,she should've probably killed u when you where a child!*Gasps!*Is that wrong?By attempting2belittle me by saying my mother should've aborted me,u AGREE with the fact that a woman has the right2do WHATEVER she wants with her body.Having the "option"2do what you want2do IS a "right". It's not fair fare 4 a woman 2 go through the pain of giving birth 2 a child she didn't want.
Onihtown 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 Well actually I am going to get the last word because I don't give up so easily. I am a smart person that knows that people deserve the right to control their own body. And you know what? I could give a shit if I change your mind or not, because what I know is: THERE WILL ALWAYS BE WOMEN IN THE WORLD THAT WILL EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT TO BIRTH CONTROL AND ABORTIONS. That won't change. ( :
Onihtown 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 Troll I am smart person. You must not have the full brain capacity to understand what Pro-CHOICE means. A woman has the RIGHT-the decision whether she wants to or not-to get an abortion. It's not really murdering if the fetus wasn't born. It can be called "murder" when embryos/fetuses are counted as part of the world POPLULATION (which they aren’t) and/or given a SS no. (i.e. as far as the U.S. goes)-which they aren’t. Women can decide for themselves what they want to do with their
Onihtown 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 OK I know that some women are pro-life.Again,babies aren't being killed:it's fertilized eggs, embryos and fetuses that are being aborted.Not breathing babies that have been born.I don't hate men, as I am a straight woman.I HATE men that think that they know what a woman can or cannot do with their bodies.if I'm projecting MY opinions, then what are you doing?The same thing.As for those women,they are most likely Christians who think that this un-Godly nation should rule by the Bible.
Onihtown 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 What the hell are you on about? I've been on vacation. Honestly are you Christian, because Christians are the main ones who are so against abortion. If you and your little friends decide to keep an unwanted embryo/fetus, then that's fine. But there are plenty of women out there who have and exercise the right to get an abortion. Free will. You don't have to. But others can.
Onihtown 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 (Long sigh) EMBRYOS/FETUSES are NOT BABIES! Like I said before, e/f aren't even born. Babies who are born, are the ones that have rights. As well as birth certificates, SS#'s, etc. Women who have been defiled by getting raped SHOULD NOT be able to wait agonizing months to give birth to a baby that they didn't even consent to the intercourse in the first place. If the emb./fet.'s do supposedly have rights then they need to be counted as part of the human population-which they aren't.
Onihtown 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 Wow.I am stating the fact that people BORN in2 this country are given SS#'s b/c it's used4a multitude of purposes including population count.U are confusing yourself.U can't abort ppl who are already born and embryos&fetuses ARE NOT counted as part of the human population b/c pop. only accounts 4 people that have been born.Of course they are human u twat.As 4 'people like [me]" I hope that I never will come 2 the chance 2 even think about aborting but women of course have the right 2.
Onihtown 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 There aren't any "real" rights? Then abortion shouldn't matter to you because embryos don't have rights which means that it's fine for a woman to chose to have an abortion or not. You're getting old. All I know s that women DO HAVE THE RIGHT/CHOICE/OPTION of getting an abortion if they want to. Whether you think so or not.
Onihtown 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 Whew!That was a nice break from trolls like you. I'm not an idiot, asswipe. YOU are the 1 who thinks that things should be run your way. Because I believe that women can get an abortion does not make me heartless. Believe in me I AM GETTING THE LAST WORD!! YOU just need to give up bc women will still be able to abort.Why do you even care about abortion?Since as you say ppl don't have rights, then a fertilized egg,embryo,fetus don't have the right to live. Please do get over yourself.
Onihtown 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 Ugh you again? You're contradicting yourself. If,as you said before, people don't have rights then why does it matter what a women does with her body? I'm not heartless you Dumb Cunt! You do know the difference between someone who has been BORN-has breathed oxygen. As opposed to embryos that don't even count as part of the population. Killing the mother makes no sense. Funny how you call me heartless when you're the one who blames the victim for getting raped.
Onihtown 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 No you fucktard. I mean breathing oxygen by themselves. Well obviously their receiving oxygen; primarily from the mother. Their using the mother's respiratory system among others to survive. But they can't or have not taken a breath on their own unlike people that have been born.
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 Man are you getting stupider? Or is your brain just not comprehending what i'm trying to get at you? Dude the prospect of already being BORN is that you're out of the womb. How the hell would you abort a person that has already been born? Gosh you're slow. Any medical mishaps a person as a once they've been born is just a process people go through in life. Including, sometimes, the RIGHT/OPTION a woman uses to abort whether it be for health reasons or personal.
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 Oh did ya miss me? I've been far too busy. Well then if "abort" means 'terminating prematurely" then that's that! Most abortions are aborted w/in the first trimester. FETUSES at that stage can't survive on their own.
Please just move on because women will still have them.
And don't try to teach me about grammar; I am a medical student.
Onihtown 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 Well u obviously aren't serious if u think being a med school student means that u are an idiot an that anyone can be one. Wow your just not a very good human being aren't you? You have no respect for women's rights,you blame rape victims for the violence that gets branded on them, and you're contradicting in hoping that a living, breathing human being dies.Not a good look mate. You know what? What comes around comes around: make sure you look both ways before crossing the street, eh.
Onihtown 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 Seriously? Common sense and an intellectual thought processes, amongst other positive attributes, is what got me into med school. It's like you're implying that Snooki, of all people, could get into Johns Hopkins.You are very confused in thinking that it's OK for many living, breathing human beings to die in place of a blastocyst/zygote/embryo/fetus that no one will miss. You have no heart and no respect for women's rights. "I respect...rights" my ass. No you do not.
Onihtown 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
@iktomi22 Oh boy. Missed me much? Far too busy as may know (don't care if you do or not since you don't). So because I believe that women have the right to give birth or not and I unlike your dumbass don't blame a rape victim from being abused means I was molested? Your reasoning of life is one of the most absurd...YOU'RE JUST CRAZY! As someone who is well educated I can tell you AGAIN that babies don't get aborted. Embryo's and fetuses do. Open a text book.
Onihtown 1 year ago
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iktomi22 1 year ago
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I am a woman. I beleive abortion is wrong. iam not going to the best university in the world, but i have enough common sence to know murder is murder. It is not the fault of a woman who got raped, but nor is it the child's, so why should the child be killed. I was sexually abused as a child, it left me broken for many years, and it did turn me into quiet a feminist. but i realized feminism doesnt lie in destroying motherhood, but in its reverence and respect.
FallaNight 1 year ago
@FallaNight Well I am sorry you where raped but part of feminism is th choice for a woman to do whatever she wants with her reproductive organs. Secondly, the embryo or fetus that is in the womb is just that. It hasn't taken a breath of air or anything. I hope I never get an abortion, but women have the right to have one or not. Pro-life activists are also pro-choice, because they choose to not have or want an abortion. I'd rather a woman terminate a pregnancy at 1 month than at 8.
Onihtown 1 year ago
@Onihtown Furthermore, virtually none of the abortions performed are on rape victims or abnormal children. Stop lying to people. You won't put such foul business past me.
Lachdenan 1 year ago
@Lachdenan You are not serious. Are you saying that rape victims don't get abortions? Never? Wow you seriously need to do some further research because you obviously need to be further educated about this issue. Women have abortions for many different reasons. Some reasonable, some not. You talk about the "freedom of the father" when the fact is many women don't know the fathers that impregnated them, or they simply runaway-which many of them do. (Sighing at your simple-mindedness.)
Onihtown 1 year ago
@Onihtown Do you think this is boot camp? In no way is it acceptable to use a declaration of simple-mindedness as proof of such. Here's some simple-mindedness for you: if women didn't have such ridiculous abuses of power in play, then perhaps they would know whose dick was in their vagina recently. I can't think of a greater example of irresponsibility that children don't deserve to suffer for. And rape victims are NOT a statistically significant percentage. Nice try on the re-framing.
Lachdenan 1 year ago
@Lachdenan You aren't serious in life.
Onihtown 1 year ago
@Onihtown You are lying about the bible. You are also quoting the doctors that came from Nazi Germany who revamped abortion into a "medical procedure." They call babies diseases to be cured, just like they did the Jews. They also have the same companies that started them--the new Abortion Pill is descended from the Zyklon-B makers. "Fetus" is a word, made up by a Nazi doctor, to enable him to cut up a child. Where is the freedom for the father or child? They have the freedom to be slaves.
Lachdenan 1 year ago
@Onihtown so i guess the thing thats moving away from the suction tube to avoid being sucked out of its mother alive isnt a person right? and how about partial birth? that thing thats coming out of a woman isnt a person?
sk8erfreak9242 10 months ago
@sk8erfreak9242 No. It's an embryo or a fetus. People's lives don't start on the date of fertilization, rather on the DAY A PERSON IS BORN. It's not too difficult to understand. Look at a gravestone: it has the DATE OF BIRTH to the date of death.
Onihtown 10 months ago
Why would an insurance company cover prescription birth control? Isn't that up to health care/individual citizens?
Pomme843 1 year ago
ohmy cam is running abd i am really bored with all that stuff
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lender420 1 year ago
because as we all know, married women have never sought birth control or abortions. and no one has EVER gotten pregnant with only one partner. and we can't forget the most important: pregnancy, birth control, abortion, etc are issues that only raging whore will ever have to deal with.
right?
girlevolving 1 year ago
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Abortinist Martin Haskell describes how the human unborn baby is alive when the dismembering begins in a pro-choice D&E abortion: "And typically when the abortion is started we...know that the fetus is still alive because either we can feel it move as we're making our initial grasps or if we're using some...ultrasound (and) we actually see a heartbeat as we're starting the procedure."
kweer58 1 year ago
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"There's no crushing, no slicing, no dismembering involved (with abortion)."
With a pro-choice suction-aspiration abortion, the abortionist inserts (into the womb) a hollow plastic tube, which has a knife-like edge on the tip. The force of the machine's suction (pulling through the tube) tears the baby's unanesthesized body into pieces. The abortionist then cuts the placenta from the wall of the mother's womb.
Continued at "Part 2 of 2" below...
kweer58 1 year ago
@kweer58 Why would it need to be anesthetized? At that early a stage the fetus does not have a nervous system developed enough to feel pain anyway. And there isn't a knife edge in a vacuum aspiration abortion, I think you've mistaken it for dilation and cutterage.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
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By 8 weeks after conception, the preborn child has the physical structures needed to feel pain: (1) a sensory nerve to feel the pain and send a message to (2) the developing thalamus, part of the base of the brain, and (3) motor nerves that send a message to that area.
Anesthesizing the baby before killing her does not make the killing "right". But if you or I were the one scheduled to be killed by "choice", we would want the same mercy.
kweer58 1 year ago
@kweer58 Actually most researchers find it unlikely that a fetus can feel pain prior to 7 months. Thalamocortical connections, which are required for the perception of pain, aren't even present until about 26 weeks.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
To juliewashere88:
The cerebral cortex deals more with the "psychological" aspects of pain.
However, the structures to experience "physiological" pain are in place at 8 weeks after conception.
It is correct to say that no one reading this knows exactly how much pain the baby feels while the abortionist is killing her...because none of us were, personally aborted. But let's not advocate the violent "choice" to (often painfully) one who, unlike us, is unable to defend herself.
kweer58 1 year ago
To juliewashere88:
About whether the preborn baby feels the abortionist killing her...Watch how the baby reacts while she is being killed. You can see an ultrasound of this on YouTube (The 1985 film "The Silent Scream Part 3 High Resolution").
The phony criticisms of the ultrasound (manufactured by pro-choice groups) are addressed in the "Text Comments".
"Edit", "Find on this page". Look for "Criticism of Silent Scream" by "kweer58". There are 8 of those "Text Comments".
kweer58 1 year ago
@kweer58 Oh please, that 'Silent Scream' video was debunked long ago.
Studies is electroencephalography assert that withdrawal reflexes and changes in heart rate and hormone levels are reflexive actions to invasive procedures and not indicative of a pain response. Again, pain perception in fetuses is unlikely to exist until late in pregnancy and even then is unlikely to be anywhere near the same level that we feel or what a woman feels in childbirth.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@ juliewashere88: "Oh please, that 'Silent Scream' video was debunked long ago."
Go to the YouTube site "The Silent Scream part 3 High Resolution". You will read where the phony criticisms of that authentic ultrasound are addressed...and then effectively debunked.
Read in the "Text Comments", look for "kweer58", and find key word "criticism".
The other "The Silent Scream" sites on YouTube also contain the effective debunking of Planned Parenthood's misleading propaganda brochure.
kweer58 1 year ago
@ juliewashere88: No "knife edge in a vacuum aspiration abortion..."
I believe the suction aspiration abortion instruments to which I refer was correct: "hollow plastic tube, which has a knife-like edge on the tip".
But it is true that the killing instruments may vary among abortionists. E.g., some abortionists may first use a instrument (a hollow tube) to crush up the baby. Then they may use a second instrument (a knife-like instrument) to cut the placenta out of the mother's womb.
kweer58 1 year ago
@ juliewashere88: "(Y)ou've mistaken (suction aspiration abortion) for dilation and cutterage..."
The suction aspiration method is described in my other post.
The D&C abortion is similar, but some different. The abortionist inserts a knife-like object into the uterus. With it, he cuts the placenta and the baby into pieces. He then scrapes the pieces out.
There is often a lot of blood. That would include the baby's blood, which is often different from the mother's blood type.
kweer58 1 year ago
@kweer58 @kweer58 Actually in Dr. Haskell's paper Dilation and Extraction for Late Second Trimester Abortion, he writes "Two techniques of late second trimester D&E's have been described at previous NAF meetings. The first relies on sterile urea intra-amniotic infusion to cause fetal demise and lysis (or softening) of fetal tissues prior to surgery."
juliewashere88 1 year ago
To juliewashere88:
The one from which I quoted came from a court hearing (in Wisconsin, I believe). As you see by the quote, the baby is alive when the pro-choice D&E abortion begins dismembering the baby.
Pro-abortion rights group try to explain away the violence of killing the baby. This is done to shield their own conscience. It makes it easier for them to continue to advocate the "choice" to kill the unborn baby.
kweer58 1 year ago
@kweer58 cont. "The second technique is to rupture the membranes 24 hours prior to surgery and cut the umbilical cord. Fetal death and ensuing autolysis soften the tissues. There are attendant risks of infection with this method.
In summary, approaches to late second trimester D&E's rely upon some means to induce early fetal demise to soften the fetal tissues making dismemberment easier. "
juliewashere88 1 year ago
For "hitheresunshine" (Part 2 of 2):
The pro-choice D&E abortion involves the dismemberment of the unanesthesized preborn baby.
The abortionist inserts a pliers-like instrument into the womb, seizes a leg or other part of the baby's body, and, with a twisting motion, tears it from the baby's body. This is repeated again and again until the pro-choice procedure is completed. The skull is crushed for easy removal.
kweer58 1 year ago
@kweer58 Well, actually the fetal death occurs hours before the D&E surgery begins, often by injection or severance of the umbilical chord and puncture of the placenta. It is not in fact killed by skull puncture as many pro-lifers like to claim.
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@ juliewashere88: "(F)etal death occurs...before the D&E surgery.."
As with the Partial Birth Abortion, this isn't always true.
"In a standard D&E abortion" the baby "dies because it is torn apart". (Gonzales v Carhart).
And always remember the 1991 Ana Rodriguez case. While she was in-utero, the abortionist did an "incomplete" D&E abortion. He only managed to rip off one of her arms. Ana (who'd been the fetus the abortionist tried to kill) was born, alive, with her right arm missing.
kweer58 1 year ago
Yeah that's right you little slut
smearnoff5100 1 year ago
Yeah, need those kids so we can send them to war and get them killed there, right?
Jigs1girl 2 years ago 19
And I remember the draft in Vietnam. The rich white kids--daddy sent them to school. Us po' white trash, and minorities, we go a ticket to the jungle in one hand and a gun in the other. Sometimes we came back, some times we came back in chunks, and sometimes we didn't come back at all.
gotch09 1 year ago
"Pro-choice" and "Anti-choice". Take responsibility for the words that are used. Acknowledge what they mean. When one says "I am pro-choice", finish the sentence truthfully. To do so would be to say "I am pro-choice to kill" the unborn baby for any socio-economic reason. It is the "choice" to crush (slice or otherwise dismember) an unanesthesized human unborn baby to death. When the conversation focuses on what the "choice" is in "pro-choice", it makes "anti-choice" sound like a compliment.
kweer58 2 years ago
@kweer58
You know, those really aren't the methods of abortion. There are some injections used, and vacuums (manual or electrical) may be used. D&C or D&E may be used, as may induced miscarriage or a hysterectomy, but partial-birth abortions are federally banned in the U.S.
There's no crushing, no slicing, no dismembering involved.
hitheresunshine 1 year ago
@hitheresunshine Partial-birth abortion isn't actually the name of any abortion procedure. It's a political term, not a medical one. It is probably meant to refer to D&E but represent it in a misleading way.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@ juliewashere88: Partial birth abortion as "misleading".
During this now-banned procedure, the abortionist pulls the baby out of the mother, except for the head ("partial birth"). The abortionist then jabs an instrument into the baby's skull and kills her ("abortion"). The term "partial birth abortion" was accurate.
In 7/93, abortionist apologists claimed the baby was dead "24 hrs" before the PBA. My reference to abortionists like Martin Haskell shows how that was usually not the case.
kweer58 1 year ago
@kweer58 'Abortion apologist'? You mean abortion doctor.
Yeah, and MY reference to that same doctor shows yours is not the case.
I provided you a like to the report I cited. Where's yours? PM me.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@ juliewashere88: "'Abortion apologist'? You mean abortion doctor."
No, I referred to the abortion apologists as those who made up excuses to justify the killing done in a pro-choice PBA. (E.g. Morrisville, VT "Transcript" editorial, also from '93. It, incorrectly, claimed the baby was "dead 24 hours before" the pro-choice PBA procedure began.)
Abortionists who did the PBAs (like Martin Haskell) acknowledged that the baby was usually alive until the end of the (now banned) procedure.
kweer58 1 year ago
@kweer58 Made up excuses? What excuses? We weren't talking about explainations of why, but what.
By the way, you still haven't cited your source. I gave you mine.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
@ juliewashere88:
Request for sources about the now-banned partial birth abortion (PBA).
See the American Medical News, 7/5/93. Article posted @: dubya dubya dubya . nrlc . org/abortion/pba/AmericanMedicalNews1993.pdf
It is correct that, in some cases, the abortionist would kill the baby prior to suctioning her brains out of her skull. More often, the baby was alive while the PBA procedure began. (That's in the article.)
In both circumstances, the abortionist would kill the baby.
kweer58 1 year ago
@kweer58 Thanks for the source. The article states that Dr. Haskel said this, but it isn't known if it's true. That same articles says elsewhere that the fetus is dead 24 hrs prior.
As long as we're only quoting one doctor, I'll stick to the report which he wrote himself.
juliewashere88 1 year ago
No I got to go check my flames mail
sparwood8 2 years ago
human rigts? and what about the babies rights? o i forgot an unborn is not a human being.. right? who will protect babies from this silent painfull war against them? if you dont want a baby use a condom take pills put a diafragm do something!!! we live in civilized countries and "i didnt knew how to protect my self from a pregnency" is not an excuse...
mariampoyf 2 years ago
I'm not sure why companies should have to give you birth control pills. Sex isn't life threatening.
GoldenPendulum 2 years ago
Lord God, I thank you today for the gift of my life. I know there is nothing that destroys more life than abortion. Today I commit myself Never to be silent, Never to be passive, Never to be forgetful of the unborn. I commit myself to be active in the pro-life movement, And never to stop defending life Until all my brothers and sisters are protected, And our nation once again becomes A nation with liberty and justice Not just for some, but for all, Through Christ our Lord. Amen!
croissantanyone 2 years ago
Abortion can help so many lives too, havent thought about that? If a woman gets raped and then pregnant, she shouldnt do abortion? Even worse, what if she's 14?
DXTC4real 2 years ago 3
Your statement put another way:
"Killing the Jews and mentally ill can help so many lives. If the Jews and those who are mentally/physically disabled inconvenience people shouldn't we kill them? Shouldn't we kill them because their fathers committed a crime? What if the Jews inconvenience young people. Shouldn't we kill them?"
Make sure you are not on the wrong side of this issue. Abortion murders a human being.
stgianna 2 years ago
Read what I read and then answer it. You cannot compare someone who has been forced to sex with jews or disabled people. Doesnt make sense...
DXTC4real 2 years ago 2
Give us a break Teenage girls don't get abortions because they were raped. They get abortions for BIRTH CONTROL!! WAKE UP!
sparwood8 2 years ago
Of course I think that is wrong but there is nothing wrong in the ABORTION, the wrong lies in the sexual education. Im from sweden so I dont know what you got in the US, but girls dont use abortion cause they're to lazy to use condoms in Sweden
DXTC4real 2 years ago
We have had sex education in our schools for over 40 years now. IT HAS FAILED. Today half the teenagers are sexually active before they are out of highschool . In my day it was like 15%.
Abortion is murdering an innocent. Half the people teaching sex education are unqualified to do so. ONLY YOUR parents are qualified, because they are the only ones who love you enough to tell you the truth
sparwood8 2 years ago
I dont think you understand, if a woman gets raped, she shouldnt have the option to do an abortion and go on with her life? she should just stay with someone else's kid?
Abortion is murdering, yes. But you cannot force, lets say, a 13 year old girl who got raped to keep the child.
DXTC4real 2 years ago
Yeah, she should go to the 'meat shop' and let them hack up the fetus into lieces and then extract them from her. You really believe this won't be worse on her than taking the child to term and then ADOPTING OUT???
sparwood8 2 years ago
Are you a dude? Cause if you were a 14 year old girl, I think you'd understand. Im not a female nor am I 14, but I still think its worse to destroy her life. I'd rather do an abortion but I know what you mean too, its not right that they use abortion as a condom. Thats the parents and the childrens morale's fault.
DXTC4real 2 years ago 11
click n profile. I am over 60, male. She is going to have trouble whether she careis to term ornot. I firmly believe there is a chance for resurring nightmares if a young girl opts for abortion AND VERY often they get an abortion because they are PRESSURED to do so
sparwood8 2 years ago
anyone can fake it just to get passed the 18+ limit thing.
I think its hard for me to convince you, but have it your way. Good luck
DXTC4real 2 years ago
I guess you are right. One can put anything on their profile. HOWEVER, if someone is claiming to be 55 or more; I can soon know if they are fudgng the numbers. Just need to chat a while, about the old days, and they will give themselves away.
For eg, very few can tell me when and where Kennedy was shot... but every boomer remembers what they were doing when they first heard the news
It's a day I will never forget,a dn believe it or not, it shook me a lot more than 9-11
sparwood8 2 years ago
The rapists IMO should be executed. Assume there was no consent, otherwise 10 years in jail
sparwood8 2 years ago
I believe you, thats not the point tho.
I also agree about the rapist thing.
Good luck in the future, mate :)
DXTC4real 2 years ago
Also, no one is forcing the kid to keep the child. Adoption is a great example. There are thousands of people willing to adopt a child because they cannot have some on their own. In addition, there are many no questions asked situations where teens or adults can simply leave a child at a hospital or church obviously resulting in an orphan situation where adoption is once again an option. Abortion should be seen as the last resort for any circumstance!
crazzyguy89 2 years ago
crazy: There are thousands of people willing to adopt a child Then why are there 240,000 in foster care up for adoption today? Why are the 300 new babies living in NY hospitals because there is not one available to adopt them AND not enough foster care providers? And if abortion stopped that could mean a MILLION parentless kids born EVERY year!! 10 MILLION in 10 yrs. Come out of your cave & see whats REALLY going on "out there"!! Knowledge is power!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
I can give you the number of about 10 couples gay and straight that would be happy to take that baby of that ladies hands... we dont have to kill the embryo or the baby. and I;m not gonna post a prayer or anything like that other dude, but look up the words MORTAL SIN. that should give you some insight. On why we shouldnt kill anything that doesnt have a say in it.
Neonchronik 2 years ago
Its still the womans choice if she wants to do an abortion, its her body and she should have the option to decide. Its called human rights.
DXTC4real 2 years ago 3
Yea that is totally right. In the same sense a coke addict or meth head should totally be able to shoot up and snort because its their body, its their choice. Also people should be able to walk the streets naked because they don't like the feel of clothes, you know, its their choice because its their body. I'm not trying to sound like a dick, I'm just trying to show how that pro-choice argument really is worth jack shit. Come up with a better answer for abortion
crazzyguy89 2 years ago
@crazzyguy89 errr... what's wrong with nudists? They didnt do anything to you. North America is so stuck up. go to Europe. they are much more relaxed about nudity.
HockeyDiane 1 year ago
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crazy: In the same sense a coke addict or meth head should totally be able to shoot up There is NO law against taking drugs! You think people are imprisoned for being high??? No, they are not,. get smarter crazy!
Sueezee1 1 year ago
Our society is selfish. It is really sad that a child must die so that we can live the way we want to. The solution to unwanted pregnancy is NOT HAVING SEX! Unless you are willing to be responsible and accept the consequences of sex then you shouldn't be having it! It is as simple as that! Unfortunately we have a society filled with people who don't believe in selflessness. Also, "If we can accept that a mother can kill her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?"
rozlin88 2 years ago
AMEN
besides...what rights do the unborn 'women' have?
bRadicalmagic1 2 years ago
Men can go from woman to woman not caring anything about the individual other than that they can satisfy their own selfish desires. The ability to carry a child and give birth makes the woman unique among men but when women allow men to pervert this gift for pleasure how can women say they made themselves better through "the right to their own body"?
rozlin88 2 years ago
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The right to abortion came about in the fight for women's rights. So they can have as many rights as men have and not be belittled by men. But if you ask me the right of abortion hasn't boosted women as a whole but has allowed men to degrade them even more than ever before. Men treat women more like objects of desire as a result, rather than human beings because they know that the consequences of sex are null and void with contraceptives and abortion.
rozlin88 2 years ago
Ummm...could it be because they WANT to take the LIFE of their unborn human beings and McCain doesn't?
There, I DID something.
bRadicalmagic1 2 years ago
See YTube: Muslim Demographics
Xcesschick 2 years ago
my girlfriend uses the pill to regulate her period, not just to prevent unwanted pregnancies. This proves that birth control should be covered!
el3m3ntsk8s 2 years ago 3
democratic propoganda? that is laughable, and republicans bashing democrats is any better than propoganda? pffft. Im pro choice because people deserve to decide for themselves. Babies don't even get consciousness until 4 months into pregnancy. so i say anytime before that is ok by my books. As for people not allowed to have sex, yeah right like that will ever happen, thats the beauty of democracy, we can choose.
DarkTemplarKain 2 years ago
obama used the latest technology to win the election while mcain had no idea abt them... obama was campaing was more like affiliate marketing...
vanmaarwijk 2 years ago
theres always options...work it out with a wrench!
c64c64c64 2 years ago
if you dont want to become pregnant, then dont have sex!
Rosenslip 2 years ago
WARNING - DEMOCRATIC PROPAGANDA !!
q8turkey 2 years ago
I know McCain hates fat chick, I know he hates 'the gooks', as well. Is it the ugly jokes he made about Chelsea? I don't know. I'm not watching the video, let me try that. Oh, the gook thing and the fat chicks wern't enough, they had to throw birth control in there as well. "I hate the gooks, I'll hate them until the day I die", simply wouldn't do, eh?
skoookum 2 years ago
Braven...this vid is utterly amazing!!
sueezee 3 years ago
Because McCain hates Jewish feminist sluts?
TheMadStrangler 3 years ago
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why shoud they get birth control free ? and why can't men get condoms for free ?
still feminists whine over equalit ?
please explain why should they allways get off easy ?
HerraIce 3 years ago
comdoms are given out free in New Zealand, you can go to the support center or the nurse at school and ask for them.
MidnightCardinal 3 years ago 3
well what if someone doesnt attend school ?
HerraIce 3 years ago