well crabtree should just shut up and play sign the contract no one cares about ur first contract just ask ryan leaf just ask charles rodgers everyone cares about ur second contract that is what makes a great player not ur first just shut up get ur 25 catches and play football that 25 catches is this season
Just because Mel Kiper drooled all over this clown, he thinks he should be paid like a top 5 pick What Kiper didn't take into account was that he played in a gimmick offense in a conference where the defenses sucked balls.
how come with crabtree he "just" played in a conference that sucked ass but Sam Bradford is the goddamn next coming of the Messiah while hes playing in the same conference
Yeah the defenses sucked balls but the following year the conference 3 of the top defenses in all of college football are in the Big 12. Doesn't make much sense does it? Nope. Didn't think so. You obviously don't know much about this game.
Im going to say this as a Steelers fan. Crabtree is a fucking idiot for even thinking of sitting out and waiting for the draft next year. No one is gonna want to deal with him if all he is after is money, since that appears to be the issue. Its gonna take him a little while to get adjusted to the NFL's speed anyhow...
And your gonna pass up the Niners with Singletary coaching and for what? Does he wanna be a Lion or something and be extremely screwed but overpaid?
people are still stayin dat he is slow he is not slow only reason he couldnt run in the 40 yard dash a knee injury AND HE WILL BE ONE OF THE BEST AND HE WILL HELP 49ERS TRY AND WIN THE WEST
HE aint gonna play for the 9ers. he knows better. they dont even have anyone to throw him the ball. they have 3 third string QBs battling for the #1 spot.
hahah yeaaaaa booiiiiii thts wht im talkin about right there. Crabtree will be a beast in the NFL no doubt. i love how people say hes slow when he runs a 4.52 but Maclin is supposedly ridiculosly fast at 4.40 tht 1/100 of a second wont even matter beacuse the speration between those two times can be made up by just sticking ur hand out haha. Id rather have a strong big receiver with good hands and runs good routs. look at Oak all their guys r 4.3 speed and they still fuckin blow. Go 9ers!!!!!!!!
What bullshit, there at at least 4-5 receivers at one time when Crabtree is out there. Good look trying to get open in the NFL when you're going to get double or tripled team while in an run heavy offense.
He will look good in that Browns uniform. It will be Edwards and Crabtree, replacing Stallworth. I don't know if Stallworth is getting jail time or not.
Yeah but what wideout is any good on the market? T.O was the best one but not worth the risk. This year was a horrible year for W.R.s in FA. I mean T.J was the best one who isn't a number 1. I believe Raiders get a shot at Crabtree or Maclin which we need either one. I don't know after Gallery I don't feel comfortable going after a lineman.
Ok so if i go outside now and run a 4.6 will i be considered the next Larry Fitzgerald??? that a dumb comparison he isnt larry so u cant compare based on 40 times
he is an extraordinary talent, and i think that he will be going top 10. i could see him going as high as 3 to the chiefs. if he gets past 5, color me surprised. no way he gets out of the top 10.
Tool huh, U know what ur talking about??? nothing is certain before the combine, boldin was said to bea first round pick before the combine also... anything can happen if u think n e player is a top 5 lock your pretty stupid (Matt leinart or Aaron Rodgers rings n e bells).
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Crabtree is the most overrated player in the country. Manny Hazard caught more passes for more yards at UH in the 80s and was an NFL flop. It's the system.
Your an idiot and clearly have never watched him play. If he is so overrated and it's the system, why haven't other Tech receivers put up these kind of numbers? Go watch some football you ridiculous moron.
i think the teams with the best chance of gettin him is the eagles and the raiders, we all know the riders will have a high pick but where at in the top 10, i think if the panthers have a bad season like everyone expects then the eagles for sure will have him, what team would turn down a top 10 pick and a 2nd or 3rd round pick when the player u want will still be on the board and u could get em for cheaper?
Bossrah, I think ANY team in the entire NFL would consider Michael Crabtree. Hes rare and too amazing to pass up. Whoever gets the #1 overall pick next year shouldnt be too bummed out if Crabtree declares for the draft.
NOPE!!! not every team there is no such thing as a promised player, number wont be crabtree simply becuz if u are number 1 your problem wont be at the WR position, the runnigs for number 1 next year are the Chiefs, Falcons and Dolpins all of those teams need defense or Michael Oher
if u think or hope crabtree is a raider then u r buggin, the raiders need defense before they make any futher moves. the raiders should pick up micheal oher the best defensive player in the draft next year, y get crabtree when u can get oher and have a pick at haywood bey,percy harvin,jeremy maclin or brandon lafell. Crabtree is the best WR in the class but oher is the best d player and what the raiders need he would help u guys out dramatically...
For those who don't know crabtree played QB in highschool, go 2 myspace and type in his name 2 see his highschool highlights, dude was a breast!!!Oh yeah he also played basketball and lead the dallas highschool area in points per game as shooting guard with 22 points a game, Tech needs him on the court too!
Yea he frm dallas carter high school yea carter produces some good football players jessey armstead johnathan scott and crabtree yea we dont play no games when it comes to football at carter
We lost the 2007 Texas game because we reverted back to the Red Carpet Defense. We lost the 2006 Texas game because we scored zero points in the second half.
A receiver is never a product of the system, especially at Tech. We play 8 receivers per game. The fact that we play so many receivers makes his stats even more insane. Sure we pass a lot, but since we play 8 other WR's he isn't a product. Harrell is, but a WR IS NEVER ONE!!!!!
Just look how he cuts up the secondary. It like watching a pro against high school kids. And he does it to every one including OSU's big 12 secondary. No matter, after we play AnM he will get the attention he deserves.
Crabtree is a beast. 17 receiving td's in the first six games of his freshman year. He's definately going to get some heisman consideration, since he's on pace to break almost every single receiving stat in a season.
Crabtree for heisman...he gets double teamed and still gets open...if tech d gets better....watch out LSU...yah i said it Crabtree is the real deal (pinch! pinch! pinch!) Thats a crab noise and oh does he make some noise
STFU with this system crap, theres been a system with techs recievers ever since leach has been there but none with the raw talent or stats and ability of this guy. Sweed cant get open so he dosent get the ball, that or mccoy licks balls
tbizzle.....some food for thought......UT's leading reciever (before he got hurt) is Limas Sweed. He has a whopping 3 TDs this year. Crabtree, as a freshman, is averaging that PER GAME this year. Crabtree alone has more TDs than all of UT's recievers COMBINED!!!! Can't wait to see them in November.
Im glad I made it to this game... Tech looks great this year. Crabtree makes us look ten times better and I hope some even bigger recruits will pour into our pass happy system.
i love crabtree but he has to get his attitude right if he wants to be a great nfl reciever. and better quarter back play would help too.
bigmoney4635 7 months ago
that Official is right in front of Crabtree, closer than the opponent and still didnt see a TD.... wow...
JeePnoY1 1 year ago
Go niners!
soulbrother16 2 years ago
Too bad Crabtree turned out to be an ignorant fuck.
No surprise, he got accepted into Texas Tech.
mbm13213 2 years ago
Guess you have no idea about what schools tried to recruit him and at what position, do you?
CBRaider182 2 years ago
Dude, do you even know who Michael Crabtree is?
He's not even in college anymore dumbass.
He plays for San Fagsisco.
mbm13213 2 years ago
Uhhh...that doesn't even make sense.
lChupacabra 2 years ago
well crabtree should just shut up and play sign the contract no one cares about ur first contract just ask ryan leaf just ask charles rodgers everyone cares about ur second contract that is what makes a great player not ur first just shut up get ur 25 catches and play football that 25 catches is this season
aokoebor2k7 2 years ago
man F Crabtree, he's selfish n greedy, god i hope no one drafts him if he does re enter next year. f-in idiot
ANCISO15 2 years ago
ive lost all respect for crabtree...holding out this long means you put yourself over the team...
randomgsustudent11 2 years ago 2
Just because Mel Kiper drooled all over this clown, he thinks he should be paid like a top 5 pick What Kiper didn't take into account was that he played in a gimmick offense in a conference where the defenses sucked balls.
F5M04 2 years ago
how come with crabtree he "just" played in a conference that sucked ass but Sam Bradford is the goddamn next coming of the Messiah while hes playing in the same conference
hondadealer15 2 years ago
Yeah the defenses sucked balls but the following year the conference 3 of the top defenses in all of college football are in the Big 12. Doesn't make much sense does it? Nope. Didn't think so. You obviously don't know much about this game.
lChupacabra 2 years ago
Im going to say this as a Steelers fan. Crabtree is a fucking idiot for even thinking of sitting out and waiting for the draft next year. No one is gonna want to deal with him if all he is after is money, since that appears to be the issue. Its gonna take him a little while to get adjusted to the NFL's speed anyhow...
And your gonna pass up the Niners with Singletary coaching and for what? Does he wanna be a Lion or something and be extremely screwed but overpaid?
AnubisRising667 2 years ago
people are still stayin dat he is slow he is not slow only reason he couldnt run in the 40 yard dash a knee injury AND HE WILL BE ONE OF THE BEST AND HE WILL HELP 49ERS TRY AND WIN THE WEST
3BaBYCp3 2 years ago
HE aint gonna play for the 9ers. he knows better. they dont even have anyone to throw him the ball. they have 3 third string QBs battling for the #1 spot.
the49ersuck 2 years ago
He is on the team . Just wait until Mike Singletary gets to him, he will make him a BEAST!
TeeEye84Plus 2 years ago
hahah yeaaaaa booiiiiii thts wht im talkin about right there. Crabtree will be a beast in the NFL no doubt. i love how people say hes slow when he runs a 4.52 but Maclin is supposedly ridiculosly fast at 4.40 tht 1/100 of a second wont even matter beacuse the speration between those two times can be made up by just sticking ur hand out haha. Id rather have a strong big receiver with good hands and runs good routs. look at Oak all their guys r 4.3 speed and they still fuckin blow. Go 9ers!!!!!!!!
hondadealer15 2 years ago
crabtree was a monster in college...i doubt he'll be as dominating in the NFL though
reliablethreat23 2 years ago
listen to the raider power chant from the visiting fans from like 1:30 on haha its awesome
fightclb05 2 years ago
uhmmmm y didnt the raiders draft him?? stupid al davis!!
herreson 2 years ago 3
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What bullshit, there at at least 4-5 receivers at one time when Crabtree is out there. Good look trying to get open in the NFL when you're going to get double or tripled team while in an run heavy offense.
SHES gonna bust.
heroinandmoreheroin 2 years ago
And who better to mentor the guy. Issac Bruce and Jerry Rice. Rice will visit training camp for sure. Two of the best class act WR.
stockjonebills 2 years ago 6
welcome to the Niner's Crabtree
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This guy is a prick, whoever picks this turd is in store for a Terrell Owens type personality; minus the talent.
heroinandmoreheroin 2 years ago
god! poor SMU, no matter what they do they always get trampled and never have a winning season, poor bastards.
lurchipoo 2 years ago
To seattle
MsTuneUp 2 years ago
He will look good in that Browns uniform. It will be Edwards and Crabtree, replacing Stallworth. I don't know if Stallworth is getting jail time or not.
nickma71 2 years ago
hey eagleschamp,what are u talking about no speed,did u not see him out run those defenders?!?
2coolTECH 3 years ago
mike crabtree played for the wrong school...he shoulda been wearing burnt orange the past couple of years
teabagger34 3 years ago
no, cause then he would have been a cornerback
babyphil 3 years ago
if Crabtree has better speed he would be a complete package. Great size, Route running, and Great hand but a 4.40-4.50 speed hurts him.
EaglesChamps2009 3 years ago
If he runs a 4.4 he is gonna be okay. People dig too much into the 40-time. Jerry Rice the best WR ever ran a 4.7.
ramzie4718 3 years ago
Crabtree runs a 4.52 or so,
his speed isn't perfect or ideal but
he's a larry fitzgerald type of wr
iLeftRight 3 years ago
Fitzgerald Ran a 4.6....
Crabtree is project to run between 4.5-4.5
SmashBrosBrawl 3 years ago
nobody cares if crabtree can run 4.5 fitzgerald is a probowler and his way better than crabtree so shut the fuck up
astristar 3 years ago
apparently oakland cares because they want him :O
Hes going to seattle.
SmashBrosBrawl 2 years ago
lol i will still choose a good lb and ol line thats what we need and i will still choose d-mac over this guy and we have johnie lee higgins
astristar 2 years ago
raiders have potential as a team.
id just fuck it fire the whole staff and hire a new one.
i have a feeling crabtree might be an offensive "ray lewis" that gets the team fired up.
SmashBrosBrawl 2 years ago
we just resign nnaman asomugha we need a good o-line we can sign a good wideout in the market...
astristar 2 years ago
Johnnie Lee Higgins? Ok great we have our kick/punt returner how bout we get a receiver?
Conner2029 2 years ago
what if we dont get crabtree.........al davis needs to sign a wideout in the market
astristar 2 years ago
Yeah but what wideout is any good on the market? T.O was the best one but not worth the risk. This year was a horrible year for W.R.s in FA. I mean T.J was the best one who isn't a number 1. I believe Raiders get a shot at Crabtree or Maclin which we need either one. I don't know after Gallery I don't feel comfortable going after a lineman.
Conner2029 2 years ago
Ok so if i go outside now and run a 4.6 will i be considered the next Larry Fitzgerald??? that a dumb comparison he isnt larry so u cant compare based on 40 times
Bossrah 2 years ago
nigga said something about his speed then fritzgeralds and i just compared.
and since crabtree is not going to work at the combine that was what he was suppose to run around.
and i didnt say you have to be fast to catch good.
its just nice to have a wide that can catch good and run fast.
SmashBrosBrawl 2 years ago
No doubt... i hear what ur saying
Bossrah 2 years ago
Watch him go to Detroit. I would be so pissed.
ProsaicProzacAgain 3 years ago 4
i hope the seahawks draft him since they have the #4 pick in the draft.
seahawkfan99 3 years ago
lazychips17 ur right 1st round top 5 i put that last commeny 4 fun
Wii4kings 3 years ago
would look good in the sliver and black.
GO RAAAAAAAIIDERSS!!!!!!!!
tljamesfan 3 years ago 2
it just said on ESPN that he will go eighth to the raiders in round 1
dandridge3 3 years ago
ESPN finally got their crystal ball working, then?
Laconic913 3 years ago
@dandridge3 he went to thee 49ers right and then raiders picked darrius heywardbey
spartan11036 1 year ago
hahahahahhaa redskins? hahahahahahahaha 4th round your crazy
layzchips71 3 years ago
wow!!!!!!!!!!! the future redskins goood i say we will get him in the 4th round
Wii4kings 3 years ago
crabtree is staying and next year he'll go in the first round (top 5-10)
TTURedRaider32 3 years ago
go michael crabtree!!
thingamajig234 3 years ago
hes going to the colts
well hopefully any ways we would be murderin everybody if he did
goofyda97845847589 3 years ago
lol no he wouldnt he would just make u the laughing stock of the league for going with a receiver when u clearly dont need one
Bossrah 3 years ago
whos drafting him?
BGBOY16 3 years ago
the people i think might draft him are
Seahawks
Raiders
9ers
Bears
jaguars
or the Eagles if they trade down
Bossrah 3 years ago
he is an extraordinary talent, and i think that he will be going top 10. i could see him going as high as 3 to the chiefs. if he gets past 5, color me surprised. no way he gets out of the top 10.
furiousdan 3 years ago
Crab is a BEAST but im wouldnt say he is a definate top 10 pick i still c him as a top 15
Bossrah 3 years ago
if he gets past the raiders, another team will trade up to make sure they get him. then again, he won't go past the raiders. guaranteed.
furiousdan 3 years ago
idk if he runs a 4.6 40 he might kjust get past the raiders i dont think it is a guaranty that he is a top 10 pick just yet....
Bossrah 3 years ago
Bossrah, you're such a tool. You have no idea what you're talking about.
canstusdis 3 years ago
Tool huh, U know what ur talking about??? nothing is certain before the combine, boldin was said to bea first round pick before the combine also... anything can happen if u think n e player is a top 5 lock your pretty stupid (Matt leinart or Aaron Rodgers rings n e bells).
Bossrah 3 years ago
NFL scouts think he's a top 5 lock. You think you're a better judge of talent than them? XD
canstusdis 2 years ago
well we all no mike is
gonne be round 1 but i think
hes gonna be pick 1-6 hes already
freshman with over 1000 yards in
the first season thats a freak of nature
if he keeps this up....he miight
get hiesman....
kingoflamez 3 years ago
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Crabtree is the most overrated player in the country. Manny Hazard caught more passes for more yards at UH in the 80s and was an NFL flop. It's the system.
Sierra688 3 years ago
How is he overrated???? He does what a Receiver is suppose to do..Catch and Score consistently.
XSolBadguyX21 3 years ago 2
Your an idiot and clearly have never watched him play. If he is so overrated and it's the system, why haven't other Tech receivers put up these kind of numbers? Go watch some football you ridiculous moron.
ad1199 3 years ago
i think the teams with the best chance of gettin him is the eagles and the raiders, we all know the riders will have a high pick but where at in the top 10, i think if the panthers have a bad season like everyone expects then the eagles for sure will have him, what team would turn down a top 10 pick and a 2nd or 3rd round pick when the player u want will still be on the board and u could get em for cheaper?
rakeem04 3 years ago
Bossrah, I think ANY team in the entire NFL would consider Michael Crabtree. Hes rare and too amazing to pass up. Whoever gets the #1 overall pick next year shouldnt be too bummed out if Crabtree declares for the draft.
Raiders1282 3 years ago
crabtree wont be first overall trust me
Bossrah 3 years ago
NOPE!!! not every team there is no such thing as a promised player, number wont be crabtree simply becuz if u are number 1 your problem wont be at the WR position, the runnigs for number 1 next year are the Chiefs, Falcons and Dolpins all of those teams need defense or Michael Oher
Bossrah 3 years ago
RAIDER!!! POWER!!! LOVE IT!!
langhamcreekboy 3 years ago
if u think or hope crabtree is a raider then u r buggin, the raiders need defense before they make any futher moves. the raiders should pick up micheal oher the best defensive player in the draft next year, y get crabtree when u can get oher and have a pick at haywood bey,percy harvin,jeremy maclin or brandon lafell. Crabtree is the best WR in the class but oher is the best d player and what the raiders need he would help u guys out dramatically...
plus crabtree should be an EAGLE lol
Bossrah 3 years ago
Dude his talking about red raider power. not the NFL team
coollmmann123 3 years ago 2
lol damn i am bugging lol, my bad LANGHAMCREEKBOY i feel like a ass for not realizing that lol.
Bossrah 3 years ago
Michael Oher is an offensive tackle... I don't know where your getting that he's best defensive player from.
topraider58 3 years ago
are you joking? Tech might have lost, but Crabtree ANNIHILATED UT's pass defense.
civicexcoupe94 4 years ago
he's so good
ttechnumberone 4 years ago
Go HOOS!
wahoofan07 4 years ago
um...what?
raiiders 4 years ago
For those who don't know crabtree played QB in highschool, go 2 myspace and type in his name 2 see his highschool highlights, dude was a breast!!!Oh yeah he also played basketball and lead the dallas highschool area in points per game as shooting guard with 22 points a game, Tech needs him on the court too!
9722249651 4 years ago
lmao!! you said dude was a breast? wow he must have been that good if you call him a breast lol.
jimmytwotimez 4 years ago 2
Yea he frm dallas carter high school yea carter produces some good football players jessey armstead johnathan scott and crabtree yea we dont play no games when it comes to football at carter
oakcliffsupastar 4 years ago
no tech beat texas but the officals made it the other way
maskedraider8 4 years ago
this was a good reviewed play and good called game, and fair caled game
UNFORTUNETLY texas can't do that or they might lose to texas tech
maskedraider8 4 years ago
We lost the 2007 Texas game because we reverted back to the Red Carpet Defense. We lost the 2006 Texas game because we scored zero points in the second half.
Blaming the officials is for Sooners.
Laconic913 4 years ago
he aint D-Jax thats for sure! plus hes in a system
bananaman8in 4 years ago
A receiver is never a product of the system, especially at Tech. We play 8 receivers per game. The fact that we play so many receivers makes his stats even more insane. Sure we pass a lot, but since we play 8 other WR's he isn't a product. Harrell is, but a WR IS NEVER ONE!!!!!
techfan5730 3 years ago
Joysub1, that was last year..I believe Texas Tech beat Texas this year.
Explodingfork 4 years ago
Tech beat Texas? Uh...
Laconic913 4 years ago
man he from oakcliff he went to carter hs wit us
OriginalMosThaTyme 4 years ago
Braylon Edwards is having a great year so it wouldn't be bad to compare him to Braylon.
86pimp3 4 years ago
Michael "Grabtree" is the shit! Wreck 'em Tech!
KingBoyd8 4 years ago
Braylon Edwards?! wtf! this guy's bigger, faster, and more agile. think Bigger Reggie Bush!
ndphan8 4 years ago
your and idiot this guys good but he's no reggie bush
thenextreggie 4 years ago
Guy is a freak. There just now starting to push him for heisman.
Suavesky 4 years ago
Crabtree's a freak. He's good in basketball too
boomster 4 years ago
Michael Crabtree reminds me of a Braylon Edwards
juwo 4 years ago
Just look how he cuts up the secondary. It like watching a pro against high school kids. And he does it to every one including OSU's big 12 secondary. No matter, after we play AnM he will get the attention he deserves.
clownshoezez 4 years ago
He been like this... cocky but can back his shit up. Tru Carter Cowboy at heart
cautionhot23 4 years ago
Crabtree is a beast. 17 receiving td's in the first six games of his freshman year. He's definately going to get some heisman consideration, since he's on pace to break almost every single receiving stat in a season.
NEPatriotsfan81 4 years ago
mccoy aint evan dat fucking good dats exactly why texas fucking loss to oklahoma....n sweed suck...he just tall
stevenjmajors 4 years ago
Not a UT fan, but in his defense, Sweed has been injured all season and is out for the season.
Crabtree has been outstanding this season. He is on pace to catch 36 TD passes!
dabbott14 4 years ago
Crabtree for heisman...he gets double teamed and still gets open...if tech d gets better....watch out LSU...yah i said it Crabtree is the real deal (pinch! pinch! pinch!) Thats a crab noise and oh does he make some noise
limishowman3 4 years ago
Put down the kool-aid.
Laconic913 4 years ago
STFU with this system crap, theres been a system with techs recievers ever since leach has been there but none with the raw talent or stats and ability of this guy. Sweed cant get open so he dosent get the ball, that or mccoy licks balls
clownshoezez 4 years ago
texas tech runs a spread offense big guy...
tbizzle1221 4 years ago
Will be one of the greatest WR's in NCAA history when hes done toying with college football players.
clownshoezez 4 years ago
yeah smu's backfield....sheesh....props on tearin up the posterboys for america's dbs
tbizzle1221 4 years ago
closest thing I've seen to Reggie Bush since...Reggie Bush.
ndphan8 4 years ago
why are you comparing a wr whos not nearly as good at receiving to a tb whos a multitude better at tailbackin?
tbizzle1221 4 years ago
tbizzle.....some food for thought......UT's leading reciever (before he got hurt) is Limas Sweed. He has a whopping 3 TDs this year. Crabtree, as a freshman, is averaging that PER GAME this year. Crabtree alone has more TDs than all of UT's recievers COMBINED!!!! Can't wait to see them in November.
naikapurva 4 years ago
michael crabtree can tear up any d...texas d aint nothing
chssg74 4 years ago
hasnt seen a def. yet...give him two weeks...he'll have fun with a longhorn def.
tbizzle1221 4 years ago
Except we don't play the longhorns until November. Learn to talk smack better. kthxbye =)
mthompson176 4 years ago
i was talkin bout oklahoma state...yall have fun with them? "kthxbye"
tbizzle1221 4 years ago
A freshman for Heisman? I think so...
revo903 4 years ago
he should be in the heisman race
tatertots00 4 years ago
I think he's going to prove to be one of the best players Tech's ever had.
topraider58 4 years ago
238 and 3 TDs today vs Rice
TexasTechFan 4 years ago
Crabtree is god
Hitlerific 4 years ago
His cousin was even better
webby75216 4 years ago
Im glad I made it to this game... Tech looks great this year. Crabtree makes us look ten times better and I hope some even bigger recruits will pour into our pass happy system.
FBCretro 4 years ago
RAIDER POWER!
texasbelle19 4 years ago
I love the Raider Power in the background! i was there to watch SMU get their ass kicked!
fanaticasian257 4 years ago
Crabtree won't see his Senior season.
teamhardline 4 years ago
Tell that to him after last night's game.
spartanmina 4 years ago
RAIDER! POWER!
atechsan 4 years ago
HAHAHA Leach running down the sideline!!!
menathradon 4 years ago