they know way more then you. (i would put more but I'm using my phone to do this and my wrists are hurting so I gotta stop :\) this so much morw I want to say (i actually have a few times but every time they comment was too long so it adamaticly deleted them.) but anyways spanking is degrading and wrong. I'm glad their are videos like this to show people what their doing to their beautiful children.
I completely agree with you. Spanking is wrong, and could be stopped. to those who are arguing with rzenrage, why don't you get some soid facts and proof like that person who made this video, instead of saying things like "i wooped my kids and they turned out fine!" prove it. Bc we (those who disaprove in violence as a punishment) have proof. And say all you want about how trained, and schooled pychologists don't know what their talkking about
@SpArK4GrL "He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24) and "Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14)..
My nephew's daughter was a brat. When she was 7 years old she disrespected every one. Her mom did not believed in spanking, and whenever her mom told her to do something she would say, NO! She used to hit people to see what they would do. She came up to me and hit me really hard. I grabbed her and slapped her arm and told her she better not do that again. She started crying and never touched me again. As a matter of fact, she respected me more than she did her own mother.
@rkzenrage Oh, yeah, just let the little brat smack you across your face and talk to you in a disrespectful manner and do nothing about it, right? No wonder kids are the way they are today. Too many parents will not spank their child when they need to. I've seen little kids slap and kick their mother and all she says is "don't do that! Then they go to school and disrespect the teachers as well. No discipline = future criminals.
@rkzenrage Fear is not respect? I'm showing the kid that I will NOT tolerate her crap. I've seen her do it to other adults that let her get away with it. When her dad comes home from work, that's when she's on her best behavior because she knows better. She tests her mom and mom doesn't do a thing to discipline her. What would you have done if she repeatedly slapped and kicked you? Can you answer that please.
@rkzenrage Violence? You want to talk about violence? Ever see the show Super Nanny? Those kids never got spanked and they are the most violent little brats I've ever seen, and they need a good whoppin. You say I am capable of neither? I raised my children and they turned out to be respectable, good adults. So don't tell me I'm not capable. Child abuse and spanking are 2 different things. People are too stupid to tell the difference. Then you wonder why kids are the they are today.
@rkzenrage Like I said in my previous post, I NEVER told you that Super Nanny advocates hitting kids. Go back to my comment and read it AGAIN. This is my second time asking you but you're not doing.
@rkzenrage I have seen parents who allow their little kids slap and kick them, and all they do is tell them to stop or they won't have a Happy Meal. The kid continues to hit them and even spit at them, and the parent does nothing but walks away until the brat calms down. I guarantee you that that kid will beat his mother and disrespect her by the time he turns 10. I have seen this way too many times. If a child hits his parent, then his parents need to whoop his behind. Case closed!
@rkzenrage I lose? No, I raise my kids and they're out on their own. None of them are violent and are very respectful adults. I have a grandchild who is being raised the same way. So I am not a loser. Just hope that when your little boy becomes a teenager you would know how to handle it when he starts with his rebellious streak. I didn't allow my children to disrespectfully talk back at me. They expressed how they felt in a respectful manner, not screaming. I would pop them if they did.
@rkzenrage Well, if you don't discipline your child when needed, then you are letting him do whatever he wants. What would you do if your child slaps you acorss the face because he's not getting what he wants? Have you looked at 'fat boy slaps his mom' on YouTube? He argues with his mother, points his finger at her face and tells her to shut up and let him talk. Then he slaps her across the face. That's the ways kids are nowadays.
I have kids of my own who were spanked when needed and none of them were aggressive. They're now hardworking, respectful adults with no criminals background or aggressive behavior. That research is a lot of bull. As a child I got spanked and so did most people. None of them end up killing their parents or beating them up like the kids nowadays with no corporate punishment. I've seen kids hitting their parents, but they just sit there and tell them it's not nice to hit mommy that way. Idiots!!
@rkzenrage How can you compare spanking and molestation? They are two completely different issues. Molesting a child is one of the worst crimes a person can commitl it stays with them for the rest of his/her life. Spanking is just a spanking when needed. If a child disrespects his parents by hitting them or refusing to obey a rule he needs a good old-fashioned spanking. You see, I raised my kids and turned out successful. You haven't even gotten started yet.
@rkzenrage I wasn't talking about molestation so stop putting words in my mouth. I was talking about spanking and you know that. People like you make me laugh because you have not raised your child yet, but are telling others how wrong it is to spank theirs..blah blah blah. The majority of parents I know, and I know lots of them, have been spanked as a child and spanked their own. They turned out just fine. Spanking and abuse are totally different. People are so dumb not to see the difference.
These same professionals don't have kids of their own. I've got spanked when I was a kid and so were many of my friends, but none turned out aggressive. Ever watched the show Super Nanny? Most of those kids never got spanked, and yet, they're being very aggressive with their parents and siblings. Today's generation of kids are rarely spanked, but go into the school system and see how aggressive they get with the teachers and each other.
@mrql123 I am friends with a psychologist who has 5 brilliant kids, none have been hit and all are disciplined successful people. I promise you, do a poll of psychologists, therapists and psychiatrists and those that hit their kids will be in the VAST minority and of those who are successful you will see even fewer who practice battery on their kids.
@rkzenrage Not all kids need to be spanked but many do. I couldn't care less what those stupid psychiatrist and therapist think. Those idiots need more psychiatric help than the every day Joe. I don't believe in most of the garbage they teach because most of them know nothing about raising kids. Some even turn children against their parents, putting all kinds crap in their mind and later finding out it wasn't true.
@mrql123 Man, you crack me up. The Super/911 nannys take truly extreme behaviorally challenged kid and gets them to be happier, better behaved and more well adjusted not only without striking them but without even yelling at them and getting the parents to stop yelling at them as well. Yes, I agree JUST LOOK at those kids and how extreme they are and how well NOT HITTING WORKS!
@mrql123 Have you EVER seen Super Nanny tell anyone to hit their kids?
As for today's kids vs the past, violence is WAY down in the schools and in society. Don't trust 24hr news, their currency is fear. Look at the national statistics from the Bureau of Justice.
@rkzenrage I never said that; go back and read my comment again. I said those kids never got spanked and yet they hit their parents. In other words, spanking has nothing to do with violence. Violence is way down in the schools and in society? Are you for real? You must live in a small little bubble where reality never sets in. My niece is a school teacher and she teaches first grade. She's extremely stressed out because of the kid's behavior. CONTINUED
@rkzenrage Well, explain to me of kids who never got spanked but are still violent anyway. I have watch Super Nanny where children never got spanked by their parents and yet, they slap, kick and spit their parents and they don't do a thing. Where did they learn to hit and disrespect their parents? Now if they got a whoppin when they needed one this would not have happened. A lot of those brats need their behinds popped with a wood spoon.
@rkzenrage These kids throw chairs, disrespects the teacher, hit each other, and use foul language. They have a special staff for unruly children. All teachers have a walkie talkie and a code in case one of the kids threaten their lives. Once they shout the code the staff will quickly come in and take the brat away. If it gets really bad, they transfer them to a special school for violent kids, starting at age 5. They have padded rooms and special teacher unit for these kids. CONT. 2
@rkzenrage When I was a kid, we never had metal detectors. Little kids bringing guns to school is not uncommon anymore. All my friends who have children in school are stressed out because of the violence that goes on in those schools, like teachers getting beat up, and students being bullied and beaten everyday. I've been to those schools and it feels like I'm walking into a prison full of mean inmates. CONT. 3
@rkzenrage I couldn't care less what the Departmen of Justice says. They lie just as much as the media. None of those morons don't have their children in public schools. I have been there many times and seen how wild and violent kids act. My niece teaches 1st grade she's about to go insane because of their terrible behavior. They throw chairs, pencils, and anything they can get their hands on to hurt another student, and they are only 6 YEAR OLD KIDS!!
@rkzenrage I have a friend who's daughter was beaten unconscious by a male student and nothing done about it. She has anxiety attacks because of the stress she's going through in school. Students are constantly threatening and beating on teachers and students but you never see it on the News. This kid saw a psychiatrist who didn't believe that this was happening in the schools. She needs to visit these schools for a whole day and see it for herself.
@mrql123 Nothing was done about it... then the parents, the friends, ALL teachers and administrators that knew about it did nothing. If that is so, that kid needs to get away from their family and community ASAP.
BTW, I was a teacher.... try again.
This is great, thanks for showing us the "other side" of this argument.
saloman was not a prophet or was proverbs part of the :law: it was a collection of advice saloman thought to be wisdom. The bible itself goes on to record salomans failure as a parent by telling how horrible his son turned out. Dont blame God for idiotic churches not understanding the bible enough to see that the bible is against hitting children.
@rkzenrage If you would read the whole Bible you would see that it is not under one train of thought but rather a progression in thought leading up to a conclusion. that conclusion is love.
Compared to the 50s? There's not much of a difference. In the 1950s, there was a RISE in juvenile delinquency. There was a whole section in my history textbook talking about it. Young people just look worse today because of the media- think about it, 50 years ago we didn't have the news 24/7, with people constantly talking about it and focusing on the negative things.
That doesn't have to do with not spanking though. There's a whole lot more influencing children today than in 1950,s. There were no movies and TV shows and video games influencing kids in the 50's like there are today. The whole family structure was different where mothers stayed at home and the fathers worked, there were fewer single parent homes and fewer divorces, there were more extended families in the same home, the list goes on and on. It has noithing to do with not spanking.
people are always gonna disagree with others views but no need to insult people for it thats not mature how you gonna teach kids be tolerent,treat people how they want be treated if theyre hit you cant say to kid dont hit but hit that kid hitting is wrong no matter what age it is they have feelings and rights too theyre human like adults feel pain get emotional tired moody just like adults do but they dont know how express it up act up cry etc a kid shouldnt be hit for every mistake accident
I have learning disabilties aspegers, dispraxia, hyperactive and emotional problems went to speical school from aged 5 well when my mother died when I 7 years old I would get overactive cos I nerious couldnt cope with my dads drinking problems my parents never once hit me they talked to me showed me how to be kind to our cats and have table manners being polite to people I dont like touch feeling even a hug as a child apart of aspergers though would never hurt anyone even a kid love them
its much worse to hit a child when not in anger when they lose it for moment and sorry for it after then planned and thought out to hit a child even after a hug or explained before the child is too overwhelmed with emotion and fear too actaully understand why most adults remember being spanked but forget why its soo cruel for a parent to hit a child its suppossed be able trust its parents not gonna hurt him,her looking at your beatuiful baby but in yrs come will hit it beat it ruin and the bond
okay time outs don't work groundings dont work my parents tried that and I would just do what I wanted anyway. I knew they would never spank me so I could to whatever i wanted and did and still do. how do you make a time out work you cant force my to sit there I'll just get up. restraints outside the hospital is illegal and even more traumatizing the spanking so basically no consequences because of that as an adult I struggle with setting limits and doing what ever I want.
I agree completely . All hitting is always wrong atleast when it aplies to any form of corporeal punishment and doing something anything to any individual against thier will for whatever reason.
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I spank my children. When i do, #1- it is never in anger #2- i explain to my children why they are getting a spanking #3- before and afterwards i tell them i love them regardless what they had done (i give a hug and a kiss and in return receive the same thing)however there are concequences to their actions. My wife has tried "time out" and other recommended alternitives and you what- my kids prefer the spanking. I haven't spanked my kids in a long time because they are good kids that know better
I was spanked, but not often because I learned to behave. I went on to get a doctorate. As a gay man who has not adopted, I do not have my own children --- but this kind of self rightousness by the video makes me sick, spanking is fine as long as done properly as Blueeyes obviously does.
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There is nothing wrong with spanking provided it is done correctly. I was spanked when i was a child and there is nothing wrong with me. I have a masters degree, never did drugs, never drank alcohol until i was of legal age-because my parents would beat the wrong out of me. Parents are not there to be their childs best friends, they are there to care for and raise their child to be a solid well rounded citizen in their community.
Sorry. I disagree. I was spanked as a child, and I was able to determine right from wrong, and knew better than to do what I did, again. These "professionals" are usually these liberals who have never spent a moment reading what the Bible says about spanking.
Do you *REALLY* believe that if God thought that spanking( sparing the rod) was going to cause "problems" in life for all of us, that He would have made that statement? I don't. I think God knew/knows exactly what He is doing.
And that is your priveldge, of course. But,the majority of the world *do* believe in God, and, therefore,are willing to follow what it says about spanking.
Do they also follow what it says to get rid of illness in their homes, refrain from eating shrimp, hate their mother and father as a follower of jesus? No, they pick and choose. That the majority believes something, if anything, is a reason to suspect it.
The bible says a load of shit. So do all the holy books. It talks about not eating sea food, not growing two crops in the same field.....ridiculous. The bible, as far as we know could very well of been written for money. It is not 'Gods word'. Besides, the rod has been interpreted differently by many people. Religous types are like children, taking some things and leaving others and when this is pointed out sticking there fingers in there ears and yelling. Great video, I completely agree.
It's true that I don't know everyone who has ever been spanked, but I can say that those I do know who were spanked as a child, and who knew that the consequence of a certain action would be a spanking, are much better adjusted as adults than ALL the people I know who weren't ever spanked. I'm not saying it's necessary to spank. I'm just saying that the studies do not reflect 100% of the population. Perhaps they only study those people who are violent as adults. Cheers!
True; I have not read ANY of the studies. I stated that of the people I personally know in my life, those who were spanked are SIGNIFICANTLY better adjusted as adults than those of us who were not. True also is the fact that THE STUDIES DO NOT REFLECT 100% OF THE POPULATION. Maybe they did interview some violent people and some non-violent people who, spanked as children, turned out to be mental and emotional train wrecks, but they did not interview me or any of my acquaintances.
Your vids are seriously cool. I needed YOU way back WHEN. 7 year olds don't know how to EXPLAIN to the shrink WTF is REALLY going on- so it's always the( step)kid's fault. I could say a million things right now- but I won't.
How about just THANK YOOO.
Is that good?
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Oh no- I decided NOT to have children- in case something happened to me- I couldn't handle the thought of what would happen to THEM-it seemed no one could stop the woman from beating up a kid- I wouldn't put one of mine with her.
lol they must of been studying the wrong kids lets do my brand of studying back in the days when spanking was in schools how many shootings did u hear in schools? now that schools took away spanking how many shooting have u heard in school? and data aint always right
of course in the 80's thats when gang vilionce was at it highest and that when crack started i remember goin to school and having to miss pe and all of that because of drive by's, what about A.D.D a whole lot more kid have A.D.D now back in my days the belt cleared A.D.D right up
If it was not so sad, it would be comical that many people look at inmates and say "Well if somebody just spanked 'em." We have a huge survey of inmates that shows that most of them were spanked and more. This makes sense because most people have been spanked, so the odds predict most inmates were too (which is the case). Also, the overwhelming majority of city kids in jail are black; the general consensus is spanking is much more prevalent in the black community, especially the lower income.
In the same vein, people say that "oh, if Hitler or Stalin had just been spanked more or Saddam/Uday, then they wouldn't have turned out spoiled, violent dictators." However, a few minutes on google will reveal that Hitler's childhood was abusive, Stalin's was possibly one of the most abusive, and Saddam had been beaten as a kid, then and made his son watch torture sessions as a kid. If Uday looked away, he was beaten with a rod. People don't want to dig to find the truth though.
You are such an idiot, so wrong on the issue, it's not even worth wasting the effort of teaching you. You will have to discover for yourself, in fact, it will work better that way.
Wow. Insulting someone and calling them names because they have a concern for the well-being of children and they happen to have a different opinion than you. Very mature, indeed.
Yeah, I just meant your opinion on spanking. But I agree, people who spank their kids are either not concerned for the well-being of children or are convinced that it can't possibly be harmful just because they were hit and they "turned out fine."
i agrea with your point about hitting but i dont agrea that necesarilly profesionals know more. i am a profesional and many of the people who qualified in my field which by the way is involved with child care,i would not let anywhere near my children. i consider some of them to be dangerously delusional and and the fact that they are a product of a system which can not aford to elimenate to many candidates does not fill me with confidense. you are right on your main point however.
I guess it depends on where you live, if YOU lived in Dorchester, roxbury, grove hall, around in massachusetts, you would be singing a different tune, believe that
Furthermore, they state that "The more children are spanked, the more anger they report as adults, the more likely they are to spank their own children, the more likely they are to approve of hitting a spouse, and the more marital conflict they experience as adults[15] Spanking has been associated with higher rates of physical aggression, more substance abuse, and increased risk of crime and violence when used with older children and adolescents."
The AAP states that any corporal punishment methods other than open-hand spanking on the buttocks or extremities "are unacceptable" and "should never be used".
The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) official policy statement states that "Corporal punishment is of limited effectiveness and has potentially deleterious side effects." The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that parents be encouraged and assisted in the development of methods other than spanking for managing undesired behavior."
Let me ask you, I saw this happen, my friend is 15, 6 feet tall and smack his dad in the face, because he wouldn't give him 30 dollars, what do you do? let the kid rule? i am 17, I got hit once, that did it for me, never got in trouble again
my friend's dad defended himself before , didn't hurt my friend but my friend pretended he did, and the dad got arrested.. but , to each their own My uncle works for the dept of youth services, a lock up, and he thinks, if someof these kids got a "spanking" maybe some of them wouldn't be locked up for,in a few cases, murder, 14 year old murderers
Now the native americans peoples are a very small minority. Now I know this is not a perfect example and only very loose but still I think it still says alot to some degree. aftyer all Crazy Horse was a much kinder and humble selfless man then custer and the lakota never struck their children. While I wonder if Custer ever got hit when he was a kid or hit his own. Maybe not. But Crazy Horse was still the better man by far.
Chief Luther Standing Bear, Astrid Lindgren, majority of japanese new zealanders,greeks more recently and portuguese, croats bulgarian ukraineians romanians. And tolkien elves even though they are fictional but i doubt they would have done it as well.
you know how many people have sucesfully raised good well behaving children without ever hitting. The majority of most native americans and aboriginal peoples, the swedes norwegians danes austrians and many others even the old norse.
ah bull shit if ur kid is runnin off at da mouth tat that ass up...IM A TEEN!!..a spanken iz da best way to teach a kid not to do something...spanking is not a crime abuse is two different things here in north carolina...spanking are disiplen
People can hit their children with no fear to get in trouble for it. That's sick and I don't know if I can immigrant to a country with such spanking laws. I hope that some states will change that soon.
rkzenrage, I respect you so much for your work, but I don't understand why you are even talking to these people. They will NEVER admit that they are wrong. We can have the best arguments and they will still not listen to us. That's sad, but the only way is to banish spanking. Though I like the USA much, these laws about spanking hurt me a lot.
If the infraction is illegal, immoral, or life threatening, we will still paddle our kids for it. But only after giving them time to present their entire side of the story with any and all evidence that they might have. There is no such thing, as you refer to it as, "grab and paddle" in our home. It comes only "after" the child has had a fair chance to defend themself against any false accusations or circumstances.
So they get a chance to know why you are hitting them, how lovely for them... they are fortunate. They will have a clear idea of why they are screwed.
So if I tell you why I am going to hit you it is ok?... cool.
It's me once again...I don't understand how you can stay that calm. Tell me how you do it. When I saw that this...this...subject actually hits her children with a paddle, I was about to answer her and use some really bad words...that's why I didn't respond to her at all
Well, I think that THIS is a large part of the problem. Many people don't hit their children because they can not control themselves. They actually say that they just hit them when they are not angry at them anymore in order to say how good their spanking is. But I think that hitting a child when you're not angry and totally in control is even worse than hitting a child when you totally lost it and give them a light smack.
It's not okay neither, but when you actually choose spanking over things like time-outs or grounding, it's the worst to me. I don't know how you think about that, but this is how I see it.
(Continued) There again the threat of force is needed in conjunction with an understanding of self respect and values. One is useless without the other. Perfect? No, but neither is human nature. Alas, love without discipline is pointless, and you may as well hate the child for all the good you'd be doing them.
It is a painful thing for a parent to do, but necessary in many cases. So many parents think love means giving their kids what they want, when they want it. I work with young adults, many of whom were never disciplined as children. They behave like violent criminals. Worse. Work with this youths for a day, and tell me you're glad they were never spanked as children.
I reject that "Since You don't hit people, therefore you shouldn't hit kids". If a grown person came into your house, hit you, peed on your floor, and destroyed all your furniture would you not hit him, or call the Police who would subsequently hit him for you? (To be continued..)
Missing the point entirely. Your child can get hurt by someone if he/she tries to act that way as a grown up, and will be treated like an aberrant. I don't know where you got "Self Defense" from. The point is to show your kid This is wrong. There are consequences for this behavior and they are bad.
if a grown person hit you that would be self defense of youself and others and of course you shouldcall the police if someone comes in and violates you in such a manner. But that is completely different from hiitting as disispline.
"If a grown person came into your house, hit you, peed on your floor, and destroyed all your furniture would you not hit him, or call the Police who would subsequently hit him for you?"
Was off-topic and a ridiculous strawman and ad hominem.
No, it is not off topic. You would try to reason with children as though they were fully functioning adults. I am saying if an adult acted that way, that is what would happen to them. God forbid they get a small dose of reality.
children are not fully functional adults yet and that is why you need to be extra carefull how to raise them. There is always a beter way to raise children without ever hitting them. Espeically on the buttocks or head. But in genreral as well even. Many peoples have shown this to be true. And yet some many Wasuchus as the lakota call them have raised children with hitting and look how the majority of them turned out.
I am not talking about self defense, if an adult exhibited the same type of behavior as an undisciplined child, he/she would most likely be physically harmed. Its a real world consequence.
Only if they presented a direct/immediate threat of harm and only then.
Actually, they would get help using BEHAVIORAL MODIFICATION therapy and be taken care of by professionals who know how to change people's behavior through positive reinforcement... not acting like animals.
Our entire civilization is predicated on the threat of force. That is why you are able to have a house, work for pay and raise a family. Are you people so naive and sheltered that you don't see that? The sooner kids recognize this axiom the better. Better they learn it from a loving parent than a Policeman or Corrections Officer. There are consequences to our actions. If we act wrong we can get hurt.
Where do you live in sir? Because here in Atlantic City, unless the assault was caught on camera and shown on the nightly news your complaint wouldn't even make it to a prosecutor's desk. And in the county jail? Forget it. They'd probably charge you with filing a false grievance if you tried.
Full of bull I was never spanked as a child and wish I was. There is nothing wrong with spanking on the bottom where it belongs! And people wonder why the kids are out of control now a days! The parents have no rights but yet get blamed for kids bissbehaving! This world is not right! I am more of a brat with no spanking than most of my friends who were spanked as kids! Does anyone ever count those in surveys? No they count what they want to tell the world to control everyone!!
What's worse is when you hear someone say, "My Dad (Mom/Grandma) swatted Hell out of me, and I know she loved me." When I was teaching in a prison, I heard that one a lot.
You don't have children do you. If so how old are they? I agree that not all children need to be spank, but with some children it works well. BTW spanking sould not be a everyday thing if used. It should be used for serious or repeated offences. It should not leave bruses.
What a GREAT topic! I watched your mini-series on this matter and I share your views on this 100%. My 6-year old has never and will never get spanked. It just teaches children bad behaviour, PERIOD. They'll most likely hit someone else thinking that it's the proper way to address a bad situation.
What I do: Remove child from situation. At eye level (less intimidating) explain to them what they did wrong. TIME OUT alone (not in their bedroom), use their age as a guideline. Then, discuss the situation AGAIN, be sure they understand and request a sincere apology (at this point it should be easy). I've had great success with this method of discipline.
I used to get beat with a leather belt, a slipper, a wooden spoon and a fly swatter (nasty!) and the open hand. OH, and I used to get pinched in church for not paying attention with my mother's freakin' Sally Hansen super nails! I KNOW what it feels like to be spank and I know how fucking horrible it is. It needs to STOP. Fucking lazy, impatient people shouldn't procreate.
1) Spanking is violence. Perhaps necessary violence, but violence nontheless. You can justify it, but you can't deny it, it's violence by the definition of the word.
2) The burden of proof is always on those advocating the use of violence, even when it's necessary. Sometimes it's necessary, but the burden of proof is always on those advocating it.
I hear ya- doesn't common sense say that violence & the threat of violence is the lowest common denominator in behaviour modification- even dog trainers don't have to use corporal techniques (assault & battery) it stuns me too when folk will argue in favour of it- amazing how negative traits just get passed on down the line & mindlessy justified.
You are not giving children nearly enough credit. My children know the difference between spanking and hitting. Thinking that that concept is impossible shows that you think children are stupid and the exact opposite is true.
The fact of the matter is more than 90% of parents believe in using spanking. What you are telling me is that you are smarter than the overwhelming majority of the population. Now I don't believe that for a second or you would be rich and you would just tell your nanny not to spank. Of course she would just look at you like you didn't know what you were talking about because she, no doubt being one of the 90%, believes in spanking.
Yeah, you probably didn't know... but I have a phd in Spanking and Child psychology. They call me Dr.Spanks.
Ytremz 3 weeks ago
So are you saying it's o.k. to spank my dog but not my kid?
coreteashna 6 months ago
@coreteashna Nope, don't hit my dog or kid.
rkzenrage 6 months ago
do you spank your kids?
sharinngth 1 year ago
@sharinngth Seriously?
Of course not and he is extremely well behaved and polite.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
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@rkzenrage he look like he beat ass
sharinngth 1 year ago
they know way more then you. (i would put more but I'm using my phone to do this and my wrists are hurting so I gotta stop :\) this so much morw I want to say (i actually have a few times but every time they comment was too long so it adamaticly deleted them.) but anyways spanking is degrading and wrong. I'm glad their are videos like this to show people what their doing to their beautiful children.
SpArK4GrL 1 year ago 2
I completely agree with you. Spanking is wrong, and could be stopped. to those who are arguing with rzenrage, why don't you get some soid facts and proof like that person who made this video, instead of saying things like "i wooped my kids and they turned out fine!" prove it. Bc we (those who disaprove in violence as a punishment) have proof. And say all you want about how trained, and schooled pychologists don't know what their talkking about
SpArK4GrL 1 year ago 2
@SpArK4GrL "He who spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes" (Proverbs 13:24) and "Withhold not correction from a child: for if thou strike him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and deliver his soul from hell." (Proverbs 23:13-14)..
Jermaine7144 3 months ago
My nephew's daughter was a brat. When she was 7 years old she disrespected every one. Her mom did not believed in spanking, and whenever her mom told her to do something she would say, NO! She used to hit people to see what they would do. She came up to me and hit me really hard. I grabbed her and slapped her arm and told her she better not do that again. She started crying and never touched me again. As a matter of fact, she respected me more than she did her own mother.
mrql123 1 year ago
@mrql123 Fear is not respect.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage Oh, yeah, just let the little brat smack you across your face and talk to you in a disrespectful manner and do nothing about it, right? No wonder kids are the way they are today. Too many parents will not spank their child when they need to. I've seen little kids slap and kick their mother and all she says is "don't do that! Then they go to school and disrespect the teachers as well. No discipline = future criminals.
mrql123 1 year ago
@mrql123 When did I state that I do nothing?
This stawman shows clearly the level of your argument.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage Fear is not respect? I'm showing the kid that I will NOT tolerate her crap. I've seen her do it to other adults that let her get away with it. When her dad comes home from work, that's when she's on her best behavior because she knows better. She tests her mom and mom doesn't do a thing to discipline her. What would you have done if she repeatedly slapped and kicked you? Can you answer that please.
mrql123 1 year ago
@mrql123 No. You are showing a young person that when someone is bigger than you they get what they want through violence, and nothing else.
If you want to teach someone right from wrong you teach them through logic and by setting an example. Seems you are capable of neither.
I have never implied that discipline should not happen. Hitting is battery, not discipline.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage Violence? You want to talk about violence? Ever see the show Super Nanny? Those kids never got spanked and they are the most violent little brats I've ever seen, and they need a good whoppin. You say I am capable of neither? I raised my children and they turned out to be respectable, good adults. So don't tell me I'm not capable. Child abuse and spanking are 2 different things. People are too stupid to tell the difference. Then you wonder why kids are the they are today.
mrql123 1 year ago
@mrql123 Show us one Super Nanny episode where the nanny advocates hitting the kids.
Wow, you are really digging a hole... keep going this is hilarious and you are making my point more with each post.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage Like I said in my previous post, I NEVER told you that Super Nanny advocates hitting kids. Go back to my comment and read it AGAIN. This is my second time asking you but you're not doing.
mrql123 1 year ago
@rkzenrage I have seen parents who allow their little kids slap and kick them, and all they do is tell them to stop or they won't have a Happy Meal. The kid continues to hit them and even spit at them, and the parent does nothing but walks away until the brat calms down. I guarantee you that that kid will beat his mother and disrespect her by the time he turns 10. I have seen this way too many times. If a child hits his parent, then his parents need to whoop his behind. Case closed!
mrql123 1 year ago
@mrql123 Oh yeah... the case is closed, you lose.
Still the strawman of either hitting or doing nothing... thanks, this is too good.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage I lose? No, I raise my kids and they're out on their own. None of them are violent and are very respectful adults. I have a grandchild who is being raised the same way. So I am not a loser. Just hope that when your little boy becomes a teenager you would know how to handle it when he starts with his rebellious streak. I didn't allow my children to disrespectfully talk back at me. They expressed how they felt in a respectful manner, not screaming. I would pop them if they did.
mrql123 1 year ago
@mrql123 Again, no one here advocates letting kids do anything wrong.
Another strawman and another fail.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage Well, if you don't discipline your child when needed, then you are letting him do whatever he wants. What would you do if your child slaps you acorss the face because he's not getting what he wants? Have you looked at 'fat boy slaps his mom' on YouTube? He argues with his mother, points his finger at her face and tells her to shut up and let him talk. Then he slaps her across the face. That's the ways kids are nowadays.
mrql123 1 year ago
I have kids of my own who were spanked when needed and none of them were aggressive. They're now hardworking, respectful adults with no criminals background or aggressive behavior. That research is a lot of bull. As a child I got spanked and so did most people. None of them end up killing their parents or beating them up like the kids nowadays with no corporate punishment. I've seen kids hitting their parents, but they just sit there and tell them it's not nice to hit mommy that way. Idiots!!
mrql123 1 year ago
@mrql123 Just because they made it through it all right does not make it right.
I know an awesome person who was molested by their parents, guess that makes it good for them.
Correlation is not causation.
Another of your pathetic strawmen.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage How can you compare spanking and molestation? They are two completely different issues. Molesting a child is one of the worst crimes a person can commitl it stays with them for the rest of his/her life. Spanking is just a spanking when needed. If a child disrespects his parents by hitting them or refusing to obey a rule he needs a good old-fashioned spanking. You see, I raised my kids and turned out successful. You haven't even gotten started yet.
mrql123 1 year ago
@mrql123 You are the one who made the statement that since someone is OK what they went through did not harm them and was OK.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage I wasn't talking about molestation so stop putting words in my mouth. I was talking about spanking and you know that. People like you make me laugh because you have not raised your child yet, but are telling others how wrong it is to spank theirs..blah blah blah. The majority of parents I know, and I know lots of them, have been spanked as a child and spanked their own. They turned out just fine. Spanking and abuse are totally different. People are so dumb not to see the difference.
mrql123 1 year ago
These same professionals don't have kids of their own. I've got spanked when I was a kid and so were many of my friends, but none turned out aggressive. Ever watched the show Super Nanny? Most of those kids never got spanked, and yet, they're being very aggressive with their parents and siblings. Today's generation of kids are rarely spanked, but go into the school system and see how aggressive they get with the teachers and each other.
mrql123 1 year ago
@mrql123 I am friends with a psychologist who has 5 brilliant kids, none have been hit and all are disciplined successful people. I promise you, do a poll of psychologists, therapists and psychiatrists and those that hit their kids will be in the VAST minority and of those who are successful you will see even fewer who practice battery on their kids.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage Not all kids need to be spanked but many do. I couldn't care less what those stupid psychiatrist and therapist think. Those idiots need more psychiatric help than the every day Joe. I don't believe in most of the garbage they teach because most of them know nothing about raising kids. Some even turn children against their parents, putting all kinds crap in their mind and later finding out it wasn't true.
mrql123 1 year ago
@mrql123 Man, you crack me up. The Super/911 nannys take truly extreme behaviorally challenged kid and gets them to be happier, better behaved and more well adjusted not only without striking them but without even yelling at them and getting the parents to stop yelling at them as well. Yes, I agree JUST LOOK at those kids and how extreme they are and how well NOT HITTING WORKS!
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@mrql123 Have you EVER seen Super Nanny tell anyone to hit their kids?
As for today's kids vs the past, violence is WAY down in the schools and in society. Don't trust 24hr news, their currency is fear. Look at the national statistics from the Bureau of Justice.
Try again.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage I never said that; go back and read my comment again. I said those kids never got spanked and yet they hit their parents. In other words, spanking has nothing to do with violence. Violence is way down in the schools and in society? Are you for real? You must live in a small little bubble where reality never sets in. My niece is a school teacher and she teaches first grade. She's extremely stressed out because of the kid's behavior. CONTINUED
mrql123 1 year ago
@mrql123 Hitting has nothing to do with violence? LOLOLOLOL!!!!!
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage Well, explain to me of kids who never got spanked but are still violent anyway. I have watch Super Nanny where children never got spanked by their parents and yet, they slap, kick and spit their parents and they don't do a thing. Where did they learn to hit and disrespect their parents? Now if they got a whoppin when they needed one this would not have happened. A lot of those brats need their behinds popped with a wood spoon.
mrql123 1 year ago
@rkzenrage These kids throw chairs, disrespects the teacher, hit each other, and use foul language. They have a special staff for unruly children. All teachers have a walkie talkie and a code in case one of the kids threaten their lives. Once they shout the code the staff will quickly come in and take the brat away. If it gets really bad, they transfer them to a special school for violent kids, starting at age 5. They have padded rooms and special teacher unit for these kids. CONT. 2
mrql123 1 year ago
@rkzenrage When I was a kid, we never had metal detectors. Little kids bringing guns to school is not uncommon anymore. All my friends who have children in school are stressed out because of the violence that goes on in those schools, like teachers getting beat up, and students being bullied and beaten everyday. I've been to those schools and it feels like I'm walking into a prison full of mean inmates. CONT. 3
mrql123 1 year ago
@mrql123 Again, look at the department of justice stats, violence is down 30% over the last 20 years and far more than that in schools.
Cable news just lets you see isolated incidents in areas you would never have heard of when most news was local.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage I couldn't care less what the Departmen of Justice says. They lie just as much as the media. None of those morons don't have their children in public schools. I have been there many times and seen how wild and violent kids act. My niece teaches 1st grade she's about to go insane because of their terrible behavior. They throw chairs, pencils, and anything they can get their hands on to hurt another student, and they are only 6 YEAR OLD KIDS!!
mrql123 1 year ago
@rkzenrage I have a friend who's daughter was beaten unconscious by a male student and nothing done about it. She has anxiety attacks because of the stress she's going through in school. Students are constantly threatening and beating on teachers and students but you never see it on the News. This kid saw a psychiatrist who didn't believe that this was happening in the schools. She needs to visit these schools for a whole day and see it for herself.
mrql123 1 year ago
@mrql123 Nothing was done about it... then the parents, the friends, ALL teachers and administrators that knew about it did nothing. If that is so, that kid needs to get away from their family and community ASAP.
BTW, I was a teacher.... try again.
This is great, thanks for showing us the "other side" of this argument.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
Very good video! I totally agree!
PaperMoon2010 2 years ago
Great video, a lot of wisdom here, more than in the whole Bible haha
UnschoolingEagle 2 years ago
well done
SexCyberGuideCom 2 years ago
Thanks.
rkzenrage 2 years ago
saloman was not a prophet or was proverbs part of the :law: it was a collection of advice saloman thought to be wisdom. The bible itself goes on to record salomans failure as a parent by telling how horrible his son turned out. Dont blame God for idiotic churches not understanding the bible enough to see that the bible is against hitting children.
guidav123 2 years ago
@guidav123 The bible advocates killing disobedient kids. I don't know which bible you are reading.
rkzenrage 1 year ago
@rkzenrage If you would read the whole Bible you would see that it is not under one train of thought but rather a progression in thought leading up to a conclusion. that conclusion is love.
atterolevad 1 year ago
"Abusive spanking" is redundant. Hitting children is abusive, period.
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Kalen1457 3 years ago
Compared to the 50s? There's not much of a difference. In the 1950s, there was a RISE in juvenile delinquency. There was a whole section in my history textbook talking about it. Young people just look worse today because of the media- think about it, 50 years ago we didn't have the news 24/7, with people constantly talking about it and focusing on the negative things.
CherryFrog321 2 years ago
That doesn't have to do with not spanking though. There's a whole lot more influencing children today than in 1950,s. There were no movies and TV shows and video games influencing kids in the 50's like there are today. The whole family structure was different where mothers stayed at home and the fathers worked, there were fewer single parent homes and fewer divorces, there were more extended families in the same home, the list goes on and on. It has noithing to do with not spanking.
PaperMoon2010 2 years ago
people are always gonna disagree with others views but no need to insult people for it thats not mature how you gonna teach kids be tolerent,treat people how they want be treated if theyre hit you cant say to kid dont hit but hit that kid hitting is wrong no matter what age it is they have feelings and rights too theyre human like adults feel pain get emotional tired moody just like adults do but they dont know how express it up act up cry etc a kid shouldnt be hit for every mistake accident
punkyiie 3 years ago
I have learning disabilties aspegers, dispraxia, hyperactive and emotional problems went to speical school from aged 5 well when my mother died when I 7 years old I would get overactive cos I nerious couldnt cope with my dads drinking problems my parents never once hit me they talked to me showed me how to be kind to our cats and have table manners being polite to people I dont like touch feeling even a hug as a child apart of aspergers though would never hurt anyone even a kid love them
punkyiie 3 years ago
its much worse to hit a child when not in anger when they lose it for moment and sorry for it after then planned and thought out to hit a child even after a hug or explained before the child is too overwhelmed with emotion and fear too actaully understand why most adults remember being spanked but forget why its soo cruel for a parent to hit a child its suppossed be able trust its parents not gonna hurt him,her looking at your beatuiful baby but in yrs come will hit it beat it ruin and the bond
punkyiie 3 years ago
okay time outs don't work groundings dont work my parents tried that and I would just do what I wanted anyway. I knew they would never spank me so I could to whatever i wanted and did and still do. how do you make a time out work you cant force my to sit there I'll just get up. restraints outside the hospital is illegal and even more traumatizing the spanking so basically no consequences because of that as an adult I struggle with setting limits and doing what ever I want.
10021981scl 3 years ago
I agree. Spanking is wrong at any situation
MrsBlueLove 3 years ago
I agree completely . All hitting is always wrong atleast when it aplies to any form of corporeal punishment and doing something anything to any individual against thier will for whatever reason.
cuchulain55 3 years ago
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I spank my children. When i do, #1- it is never in anger #2- i explain to my children why they are getting a spanking #3- before and afterwards i tell them i love them regardless what they had done (i give a hug and a kiss and in return receive the same thing)however there are concequences to their actions. My wife has tried "time out" and other recommended alternitives and you what- my kids prefer the spanking. I haven't spanked my kids in a long time because they are good kids that know better
2008Blueyes 3 years ago
I was spanked, but not often because I learned to behave. I went on to get a doctorate. As a gay man who has not adopted, I do not have my own children --- but this kind of self rightousness by the video makes me sick, spanking is fine as long as done properly as Blueeyes obviously does.
georgekibeey 3 years ago
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There is nothing wrong with spanking provided it is done correctly. I was spanked when i was a child and there is nothing wrong with me. I have a masters degree, never did drugs, never drank alcohol until i was of legal age-because my parents would beat the wrong out of me. Parents are not there to be their childs best friends, they are there to care for and raise their child to be a solid well rounded citizen in their community.
2008Blueyes 3 years ago
When i did wrong, my parents let me and my brothers know about it. What is interesting is that me and my brothers never made the same mistake twice.
2008Blueyes 3 years ago
B. S.
balladsalad 3 years ago
Sorry. I disagree. I was spanked as a child, and I was able to determine right from wrong, and knew better than to do what I did, again. These "professionals" are usually these liberals who have never spent a moment reading what the Bible says about spanking.
Do you *REALLY* believe that if God thought that spanking( sparing the rod) was going to cause "problems" in life for all of us, that He would have made that statement? I don't. I think God knew/knows exactly what He is doing.
audiophile55 3 years ago
I "REALLY" believe there is no god and that the bible is an ancient corrupt document created to control people and retard civilization.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
And that is your priveldge, of course. But,the majority of the world *do* believe in God, and, therefore,are willing to follow what it says about spanking.
audiophile55 3 years ago
Do they also follow what it says to get rid of illness in their homes, refrain from eating shrimp, hate their mother and father as a follower of jesus? No, they pick and choose. That the majority believes something, if anything, is a reason to suspect it.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
The bible says a load of shit. So do all the holy books. It talks about not eating sea food, not growing two crops in the same field.....ridiculous. The bible, as far as we know could very well of been written for money. It is not 'Gods word'. Besides, the rod has been interpreted differently by many people. Religous types are like children, taking some things and leaving others and when this is pointed out sticking there fingers in there ears and yelling. Great video, I completely agree.
CalvinRive 3 years ago
Thanks.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
you always talk about "studies". Where do these "studies" come from? Give some references if you are going to base your opinions on them.
1wayflight 3 years ago
In the text areas of all of these I list many of the studies and they list their sources and how they were conducted.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
It's true that I don't know everyone who has ever been spanked, but I can say that those I do know who were spanked as a child, and who knew that the consequence of a certain action would be a spanking, are much better adjusted as adults than ALL the people I know who weren't ever spanked. I'm not saying it's necessary to spank. I'm just saying that the studies do not reflect 100% of the population. Perhaps they only study those people who are violent as adults. Cheers!
XdontXbeXanXassX 3 years ago
"Perhaps they only study those people who are violent as adults."
You clearly have not read ANY of the studies.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
True; I have not read ANY of the studies. I stated that of the people I personally know in my life, those who were spanked are SIGNIFICANTLY better adjusted as adults than those of us who were not. True also is the fact that THE STUDIES DO NOT REFLECT 100% OF THE POPULATION. Maybe they did interview some violent people and some non-violent people who, spanked as children, turned out to be mental and emotional train wrecks, but they did not interview me or any of my acquaintances.
XdontXbeXanXassX 3 years ago
LOL... I love how you comment and speculate on studies you refuse to read.
Look people... this is who I am talking about!
rkzenrage 3 years ago
Your vids are seriously cool. I needed YOU way back WHEN. 7 year olds don't know how to EXPLAIN to the shrink WTF is REALLY going on- so it's always the( step)kid's fault. I could say a million things right now- but I won't.
How about just THANK YOOO.
Is that good?
:)
Oh no- I decided NOT to have children- in case something happened to me- I couldn't handle the thought of what would happen to THEM-it seemed no one could stop the woman from beating up a kid- I wouldn't put one of mine with her.
AlabasterDog 3 years ago 2
lol they must of been studying the wrong kids lets do my brand of studying back in the days when spanking was in schools how many shootings did u hear in schools? now that schools took away spanking how many shooting have u heard in school? and data aint always right
jaws5204 3 years ago
You did not hear about it because we did not have 24hr cable.
We are now having far fewer school shootings than we did 20 years ago and the trend continues as you go back in time.
Try again.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
of course in the 80's thats when gang vilionce was at it highest and that when crack started i remember goin to school and having to miss pe and all of that because of drive by's, what about A.D.D a whole lot more kid have A.D.D now back in my days the belt cleared A.D.D right up
jaws5204 3 years ago
"the belt cleared A.D.D right up"
Hardly.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
Not a problem at all.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
If it was not so sad, it would be comical that many people look at inmates and say "Well if somebody just spanked 'em." We have a huge survey of inmates that shows that most of them were spanked and more. This makes sense because most people have been spanked, so the odds predict most inmates were too (which is the case). Also, the overwhelming majority of city kids in jail are black; the general consensus is spanking is much more prevalent in the black community, especially the lower income.
Assassi1n 3 years ago 3
In the same vein, people say that "oh, if Hitler or Stalin had just been spanked more or Saddam/Uday, then they wouldn't have turned out spoiled, violent dictators." However, a few minutes on google will reveal that Hitler's childhood was abusive, Stalin's was possibly one of the most abusive, and Saddam had been beaten as a kid, then and made his son watch torture sessions as a kid. If Uday looked away, he was beaten with a rod. People don't want to dig to find the truth though.
Assassi1n 3 years ago 3
GREAT comments... thank you.
rkzenrage 3 years ago
You are such an idiot, so wrong on the issue, it's not even worth wasting the effort of teaching you. You will have to discover for yourself, in fact, it will work better that way.
WarDogs42 3 years ago
As ever, the spankers begin with an insult.
Impulse control issues. My case is made with every one of these.
Viddy well my brothers....
rkzenrage 3 years ago
You are a fool.
WarDogs42 3 years ago
Wow, your concise, pointed, logical, illuminating, fascinating rebuttal I am now enlightened to what is wrong with my argument!
rkzenrage 3 years ago
Wow. Insulting someone and calling them names because they have a concern for the well-being of children and they happen to have a different opinion than you. Very mature, indeed.
CherryFrog321 3 years ago
Actually, it is not an opinion, the fact is that you cannot be concerned for the well being of children while hitting them.
though I agree with your assessment of their comment. Thank you!
rkzenrage 3 years ago
Yeah, I just meant your opinion on spanking. But I agree, people who spank their kids are either not concerned for the well-being of children or are convinced that it can't possibly be harmful just because they were hit and they "turned out fine."
CherryFrog321 3 years ago 2
I was talking to WarDogs42, by the way.
CherryFrog321 3 years ago
i agrea with your point about hitting but i dont agrea that necesarilly profesionals know more. i am a profesional and many of the people who qualified in my field which by the way is involved with child care,i would not let anywhere near my children. i consider some of them to be dangerously delusional and and the fact that they are a product of a system which can not aford to elimenate to many candidates does not fill me with confidense. you are right on your main point however.
ooglebydoogleby 3 years ago
kk, if you say so, I am only 17, but, nevermind,, it is just adding fuel to your , almost, fire.. peace out..
Chubasco617 4 years ago
I guess it depends on where you live, if YOU lived in Dorchester, roxbury, grove hall, around in massachusetts, you would be singing a different tune, believe that
Chubasco617 4 years ago
I live in the heart of the South... I am still not "singing" anything.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
Furthermore, they state that "The more children are spanked, the more anger they report as adults, the more likely they are to spank their own children, the more likely they are to approve of hitting a spouse, and the more marital conflict they experience as adults[15] Spanking has been associated with higher rates of physical aggression, more substance abuse, and increased risk of crime and violence when used with older children and adolescents."
cato8383 4 years ago
Great replies and in the text portion of this, and the other, video(s) I included some of that information from several sources.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
The AAP states that any corporal punishment methods other than open-hand spanking on the buttocks or extremities "are unacceptable" and "should never be used".
cato8383 4 years ago
The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) official policy statement states that "Corporal punishment is of limited effectiveness and has potentially deleterious side effects." The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that parents be encouraged and assisted in the development of methods other than spanking for managing undesired behavior."
cato8383 4 years ago
you r a fucking idiot.
afriamerikan 4 years ago
Thank you for watching and posting raising the count and commented numbers for this video.
I am now clearly enlightened by your logical, intelligent, brilliantly worded, point-by-point rebuttal.
How could I have been so wrong!?
rkzenrage 4 years ago
Let me ask you, I saw this happen, my friend is 15, 6 feet tall and smack his dad in the face, because he wouldn't give him 30 dollars, what do you do? let the kid rule? i am 17, I got hit once, that did it for me, never got in trouble again
Chubasco617 4 years ago
I would call the cops and teach the kid what really happens when you assault and batter someone.
Show him the reality.
At the same time, if he tries to smack you and you can defend against it (not retaliate) do it.
I never stated one should not defend themselves, kid or parent, you have a right to.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
my friend's dad defended himself before , didn't hurt my friend but my friend pretended he did, and the dad got arrested.. but , to each their own My uncle works for the dept of youth services, a lock up, and he thinks, if someof these kids got a "spanking" maybe some of them wouldn't be locked up for,in a few cases, murder, 14 year old murderers
Chubasco617 4 years ago
When I see scientific evidence that supports his opinion, insead of the mountain of evidence that refutes it, then I will listen to it.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
good show buddy.
mgginn 4 years ago
Now the native americans peoples are a very small minority. Now I know this is not a perfect example and only very loose but still I think it still says alot to some degree. aftyer all Crazy Horse was a much kinder and humble selfless man then custer and the lakota never struck their children. While I wonder if Custer ever got hit when he was a kid or hit his own. Maybe not. But Crazy Horse was still the better man by far.
cuchulain55 4 years ago
Chief Luther Standing Bear, Astrid Lindgren, majority of japanese new zealanders,greeks more recently and portuguese, croats bulgarian ukraineians romanians. And tolkien elves even though they are fictional but i doubt they would have done it as well.
cuchulain55 4 years ago
you know how many people have sucesfully raised good well behaving children without ever hitting. The majority of most native americans and aboriginal peoples, the swedes norwegians danes austrians and many others even the old norse.
cuchulain55 4 years ago 2
ah bull shit if ur kid is runnin off at da mouth tat that ass up...IM A TEEN!!..a spanken iz da best way to teach a kid not to do something...spanking is not a crime abuse is two different things here in north carolina...spanking are disiplen
KOCORANGE 4 years ago
Again... viddy well my brothers, viddy well.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
People can hit their children with no fear to get in trouble for it. That's sick and I don't know if I can immigrant to a country with such spanking laws. I hope that some states will change that soon.
ShadyLady91 4 years ago
It's more of a lack of laws than active laws.
I agree about the change, and it IS happening, and quite quickly.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
rkzenrage, I respect you so much for your work, but I don't understand why you are even talking to these people. They will NEVER admit that they are wrong. We can have the best arguments and they will still not listen to us. That's sad, but the only way is to banish spanking. Though I like the USA much, these laws about spanking hurt me a lot.
ShadyLady91 4 years ago
I have changed my mind on MANY topics throughout my life. Several times from a simple comment or conversation.
You never know.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
Really optimistic person:-)
ShadyLady91 4 years ago
Not optimism. I have done it and have seen others do it. I know it happens.
So, I have no reason to doubt it is still happening and will continue to do so.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
If the infraction is illegal, immoral, or life threatening, we will still paddle our kids for it. But only after giving them time to present their entire side of the story with any and all evidence that they might have. There is no such thing, as you refer to it as, "grab and paddle" in our home. It comes only "after" the child has had a fair chance to defend themself against any false accusations or circumstances.
Tinapdlady 4 years ago
So they get a chance to know why you are hitting them, how lovely for them... they are fortunate. They will have a clear idea of why they are screwed.
So if I tell you why I am going to hit you it is ok?... cool.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
It's me once again...I don't understand how you can stay that calm. Tell me how you do it. When I saw that this...this...subject actually hits her children with a paddle, I was about to answer her and use some really bad words...that's why I didn't respond to her at all
ShadyLady91 4 years ago
I try to adopt the most effective attitude for the situation.
Controlling one's emotions is a large part of this topic. One does not hit if they are in control of themselves.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
Well, I think that THIS is a large part of the problem. Many people don't hit their children because they can not control themselves. They actually say that they just hit them when they are not angry at them anymore in order to say how good their spanking is. But I think that hitting a child when you're not angry and totally in control is even worse than hitting a child when you totally lost it and give them a light smack.
ShadyLady91 4 years ago
It's not okay neither, but when you actually choose spanking over things like time-outs or grounding, it's the worst to me. I don't know how you think about that, but this is how I see it.
ShadyLady91 4 years ago
I agree.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
(Continued) There again the threat of force is needed in conjunction with an understanding of self respect and values. One is useless without the other. Perfect? No, but neither is human nature. Alas, love without discipline is pointless, and you may as well hate the child for all the good you'd be doing them.
AlexMarkey 4 years ago 2
No one ever mentioned a lack of discipline.
There is NO self-respect when hitting a child.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
It is a painful thing for a parent to do, but necessary in many cases. So many parents think love means giving their kids what they want, when they want it. I work with young adults, many of whom were never disciplined as children. They behave like violent criminals. Worse. Work with this youths for a day, and tell me you're glad they were never spanked as children.
AlexMarkey 4 years ago
AGAIN, no one ever mentioned a lack of discipline.
Learn to listen and read.
Science clearly shows that self-motivative behavioral modification is FAR more effective than hitting and I see this in my own child.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
I reject that "Since You don't hit people, therefore you shouldn't hit kids". If a grown person came into your house, hit you, peed on your floor, and destroyed all your furniture would you not hit him, or call the Police who would subsequently hit him for you? (To be continued..)
AlexMarkey 4 years ago
You need to practice self-defense against your toddler? How sad for you.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
Missing the point entirely. Your child can get hurt by someone if he/she tries to act that way as a grown up, and will be treated like an aberrant. I don't know where you got "Self Defense" from. The point is to show your kid This is wrong. There are consequences for this behavior and they are bad.
AlexMarkey 4 years ago
I got it from your strawman "grown person came into your house, hit you". Immediate self-defense is the ONLY time violence is acceptable. I agree.
I clearly advocated in the videos and my comments consequences, both good and bad depending on the situation, for ALL actions.
Hitting does not teach "this is a consequence" and is not situation specific.
It is battery by a loved one and only battery, nothing more, nothing less.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
if a grown person hit you that would be self defense of youself and others and of course you shouldcall the police if someone comes in and violates you in such a manner. But that is completely different from hiitting as disispline.
cuchulain55 4 years ago
Thanks, now we both agree that:
"If a grown person came into your house, hit you, peed on your floor, and destroyed all your furniture would you not hit him, or call the Police who would subsequently hit him for you?"
Was off-topic and a ridiculous strawman and ad hominem.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
No, it is not off topic. You would try to reason with children as though they were fully functioning adults. I am saying if an adult acted that way, that is what would happen to them. God forbid they get a small dose of reality.
AlexMarkey 4 years ago
"You would try to reason with children as though they were fully functioning adults"
I neither stated nor implied that in any way.
Again Ad hominem.
Sure, if the reality is that their parents are unable to control themselves and are violent.
In no way is it social reality, if you get pulled-over for speeding or are late on a payment no one comes over to your home and hits you.
Another strawman and hilarious.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
I am beginning to doubt you understand what is generally meant by the term "Strawman".
AlexMarkey 4 years ago
children are not fully functional adults yet and that is why you need to be extra carefull how to raise them. There is always a beter way to raise children without ever hitting them. Espeically on the buttocks or head. But in genreral as well even. Many peoples have shown this to be true. And yet some many Wasuchus as the lakota call them have raised children with hitting and look how the majority of them turned out.
cuchulain55 4 years ago
I agree.
cuchulain55 4 years ago
I am not talking about self defense, if an adult exhibited the same type of behavior as an undisciplined child, he/she would most likely be physically harmed. Its a real world consequence.
AlexMarkey 4 years ago
Only if they presented a direct/immediate threat of harm and only then.
Actually, they would get help using BEHAVIORAL MODIFICATION therapy and be taken care of by professionals who know how to change people's behavior through positive reinforcement... not acting like animals.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
Our entire civilization is predicated on the threat of force. That is why you are able to have a house, work for pay and raise a family. Are you people so naive and sheltered that you don't see that? The sooner kids recognize this axiom the better. Better they learn it from a loving parent than a Policeman or Corrections Officer. There are consequences to our actions. If we act wrong we can get hurt.
AlexMarkey 4 years ago
If a police man hits me out of anything but self-defense I OWN HIM, his home, his pension, his paycheck, his job and a good chunk of the city...
Thanks for the help.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
Where do you live in sir? Because here in Atlantic City, unless the assault was caught on camera and shown on the nightly news your complaint wouldn't even make it to a prosecutor's desk. And in the county jail? Forget it. They'd probably charge you with filing a false grievance if you tried.
AlexMarkey 4 years ago 3
I live in Central FL (you can look at people's profiles ya' know).
Cop cars here have cameras.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
Full of bull I was never spanked as a child and wish I was. There is nothing wrong with spanking on the bottom where it belongs! And people wonder why the kids are out of control now a days! The parents have no rights but yet get blamed for kids bissbehaving! This world is not right! I am more of a brat with no spanking than most of my friends who were spanked as kids! Does anyone ever count those in surveys? No they count what they want to tell the world to control everyone!!
RedHotSpankSassy 4 years ago
Wow... write much?
rkzenrage 4 years ago
Wow...only about what I believe. Just like you...Wow...talk much?
RedHotSpankSassy 4 years ago
Quite a bit actually, count my posts punk.
At least I am not afraid to do so publicly like you.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
What's worse is when you hear someone say, "My Dad (Mom/Grandma) swatted Hell out of me, and I know she loved me." When I was teaching in a prison, I heard that one a lot.
abbnormalfunctions 4 years ago
Probably because it was the only real attention many got, so they associated it with love.
Battered wife syndrome.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
You don't have children do you. If so how old are they? I agree that not all children need to be spank, but with some children it works well. BTW spanking sould not be a everyday thing if used. It should be used for serious or repeated offences. It should not leave bruses.
billybassman21 4 years ago
So if I punch you in the stomach and it does not leave a mark its not battery, right?
I have a son, an intelligent, polite, well behaved, exceptional one who has not been battered by his parents.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
Sorry i din't add these vids sooner. I had youtube set to automatically add responses, but it changed somehow. peace, RK.
sinroe 4 years ago
Thanks sin, I am a fan of yours as well.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
What a GREAT topic! I watched your mini-series on this matter and I share your views on this 100%. My 6-year old has never and will never get spanked. It just teaches children bad behaviour, PERIOD. They'll most likely hit someone else thinking that it's the proper way to address a bad situation.
munkoloid 4 years ago
What I do: Remove child from situation. At eye level (less intimidating) explain to them what they did wrong. TIME OUT alone (not in their bedroom), use their age as a guideline. Then, discuss the situation AGAIN, be sure they understand and request a sincere apology (at this point it should be easy). I've had great success with this method of discipline.
munkoloid 4 years ago
I used to get beat with a leather belt, a slipper, a wooden spoon and a fly swatter (nasty!) and the open hand. OH, and I used to get pinched in church for not paying attention with my mother's freakin' Sally Hansen super nails! I KNOW what it feels like to be spank and I know how fucking horrible it is. It needs to STOP. Fucking lazy, impatient people shouldn't procreate.
munkoloid 4 years ago 3
I am so sorry you went through that...
What is more is how much I admire you for becoming who you are DESPITE it and now being the great parent you are who does not batter your child!
Breaking the cycle, such a great thing you have done for your family, society and the world!
*Gassho*
rkzenrage 4 years ago
1) Spanking is violence. Perhaps necessary violence, but violence nontheless. You can justify it, but you can't deny it, it's violence by the definition of the word.
2) The burden of proof is always on those advocating the use of violence, even when it's necessary. Sometimes it's necessary, but the burden of proof is always on those advocating it.
I rest my case.
helgihg 4 years ago 2
I hear ya- doesn't common sense say that violence & the threat of violence is the lowest common denominator in behaviour modification- even dog trainers don't have to use corporal techniques (assault & battery) it stuns me too when folk will argue in favour of it- amazing how negative traits just get passed on down the line & mindlessy justified.
docrufus 4 years ago
You are not giving children nearly enough credit. My children know the difference between spanking and hitting. Thinking that that concept is impossible shows that you think children are stupid and the exact opposite is true.
dmoe0911 4 years ago
Hitting is hitting, no matter what you call it or have tricked your kids into believing.
If I forced you over my knee and spanked you it would be battery, just battery and only battery.
rkzenrage 4 years ago
The fact of the matter is more than 90% of parents believe in using spanking. What you are telling me is that you are smarter than the overwhelming majority of the population. Now I don't believe that for a second or you would be rich and you would just tell your nanny not to spank. Of course she would just look at you like you didn't know what you were talking about because she, no doubt being one of the 90%, believes in spanking.
dmoe0911 4 years ago