The worst thing about this is that its perfect material for the Daily Mail to tell us how corrupt Brussels is, but their audience isn't tech savvy enough to care.
@silktide just thought I'd update you on this - take a look at how the Prime Minister's website deals with it. Now, my understanding of the directive was that you couldnt do this but hey, if it's good enough for them then it should be good enough for the rest of us... No?
Or is it further proof that they are just useless?
Actually 'moving to another country' (as a webmaster) won't do you any good. The law is also applicable for US websites. Websites from outside the EU place a cookie on the computer of the user, which is in the EU, resulting in the EU law being effective on that cookie.
So it basically will bann us from the internet I guess ;)
ok so i just went to ico.gov.uk - i see the message at the top. i then look at my cookies list in privacy settings - and they've already recorded one!!
@se7ven6ix Actually, sometimes two. If you look at their privacy statement they admit there are two cookies they are currently powerless to remove. Their message seems to be OBEY THE LAW (unless that's too hard).
@silktide this whole thing is so stupid and it shouldn't be targeting webmasters and designers - i seems this all happened because of the big advertisers taking it to a whole new level... browsers *are* starting to educate users on what cookies do - they need to be educating the end users about cookies and how they're used, instead of penalising the creators and developers
Actually all joking aside that's exactly what the ICO does on their own website, and they kind of are allowed by their own laws. That cookie was opted into - they don't set it until you agree to all cookies. The bigger problem is you can't set a cookie to remember that they haven't opted in, so you have to display the irritating stupid message on every page until they give in.
@silktide Bullshit. You set an option in their user preferences asking whether they want to allow cookies. You store their option server side. Problem solved.
The only reason you're whining about it is because you're a company that profits from tracking cookies, and you know the vast majority of users will opt for "No".
Hi, great video. I'm as baffled as the people creating the law. I have my site hosted in the US though I live in the UK. Some of my sites are .com others .co.uk but all hosted in the US. Will i have to adapt to this law?
@barryAwells It's nothing to do with where you site is hosted, and everything to do with what laws you subscribe to as a business - if you're based in the UK, it'll be the UK laws. Unless you're a massive multinational corporation, where it can get more complex, you should just worry about the laws for the country the site owner is based in.
@silktide I'm inclined to suggest that businesses primarily based on the Web reincorporate somewhere less silly and with a much friendlier and less hostile approach to online businesses - like the Isle of Man. As a small startup without the technical clout that larger competitors have, this law will kill us. We're looking at the IoM as an alternative for incorporation because it seems to be the only feasible way forward for us.
Excellent Video! But surely you can get around it by having your systems hosted outside the EU? which is a GREAT move for the financial prospect of the many EU based hosting companies!
@CaptinFonz It's not your hosting which matters, it's where you do business. Is there any legal entity in the EU which a case could be made against (e.g. do you have offices there?) If so, it doesn't matter where you host.
Of course even that isn't clear - what if say Facebook has an office for tax purposes in the EU (which I think they do). Can that tax office be prosecuted for use of cookies? That'll be for lawyers to figure out.
@silktide Thx, stupidly thought about what I posted AFTER posting it and realised that it must be down to your business and not hosting - certainly will be interesting seeing the first few prosecutions going through!
Absolutely stunning short sightedness and stupidity from the EU. So I go to a site and I want to buy something but need to get my card so I click off and go back later. When I return there I need to find the product again. I set preferences on a page and when I go back they are all gone. I want the page to load faster but each time I go I am a new user... Starting to look a mess isn't it!
@Valprop No. You sign up to the website, go to your user profile, check the box next to "Allow cookies", then go find your credit card, have a little cry, perhaps eat some Tofu... whatever.
sry, i haven't quite understand everything about this law. probably because english isn't my mother tongue. But does the law just prohibits the use of cookies (information which is stored on the computer of the user) or does it prohibit all methods of tracking visitors on you website? I mean is it still allowed to create a selfmade analytics tool which isnt using cookies??
oh and also i subed and expect more great videos from you^^
@Dectois You'll be able to track visitors by looking at server logs, but nearly all analytics software currently relies on cookies because they provide far more information, and allow you to do things like count people, not downloads.
Without cookies, it's almost impossible to tell whether a visitor is a real person; you certainly can't tell if they've visited your site before, and it's far harder to measure things like what journey they took around your site.
Nice clear and concise explanantion of a confusing topic. Thanks
jonoxford1 3 hours ago
Such a great video! Thank you for putting this together!
bruthaagency 1 day ago
okcookie.org
iwantfilmsfree 5 days ago
I found that the cookie compliance solutions by OKcookie org was easy and simple and allowed me to comply to the EU cookie law in minutes
iwantfilmsfree 5 days ago
i agree, i also think the website should summerise the applications of that cookie
rollingcube 3 weeks ago
Gov needs to keep its backside off the internet.
lSaif 1 month ago
The worst thing about this is that its perfect material for the Daily Mail to tell us how corrupt Brussels is, but their audience isn't tech savvy enough to care.
isJonneh 2 months ago
I'm sick and tired of how Denmark is kissing the EU in the ass all the time...
BlueBoden 2 months ago
@silktide just thought I'd update you on this - take a look at how the Prime Minister's website deals with it. Now, my understanding of the directive was that you couldnt do this but hey, if it's good enough for them then it should be good enough for the rest of us... No?
Or is it further proof that they are just useless?
CaptinFonz 3 months ago
Is it really worth collecting Analytics data if all you are getting is the people who are actively clicking the accept button on your site?
I wonder if Google will offer an analytics solutions for people in Europe who are affected by the EU Cookie Directive?
sthelenscouncil 3 months ago
a good video very easy to understand.
jamiebridges123 4 months ago
I enjoyed this immensely.
harjny62 4 months ago
I once went to a page and a message slid in from the side saying:
"This site uses cookies! Some have already been set."
This frightened the ^$^*% out of me because I didn't know what a 'cookie' was.
Also, they might as well had said:
"This site breaks the law! It been broken twice already."
BenedictStar 5 months ago
Government in action....
ClarksonsinUSA 6 months ago
Actually 'moving to another country' (as a webmaster) won't do you any good. The law is also applicable for US websites. Websites from outside the EU place a cookie on the computer of the user, which is in the EU, resulting in the EU law being effective on that cookie.
So it basically will bann us from the internet I guess ;)
If IP = European --> Acces is denied :p
plaunl 6 months ago
stupid law is well, stupid.
webmastertool 6 months ago
Well done bureaucrats - great to see you earning your salaries! (Great video by the way)
utuber2 6 months ago
Can't they simply pay for hosting servers outside of the EU and circumvent the law this way?
potemkinhr 7 months ago
sometimes I have the feeling that politicians have no idea what we are doing - and they have no backbone to ask us what is good and what bad.
holgermaasen 7 months ago
what will cookie monster eat now?
batwingwashere 7 months ago
ok so i just went to ico.gov.uk - i see the message at the top. i then look at my cookies list in privacy settings - and they've already recorded one!!
se7ven6ix 8 months ago 8
@se7ven6ix Actually, sometimes two. If you look at their privacy statement they admit there are two cookies they are currently powerless to remove. Their message seems to be OBEY THE LAW (unless that's too hard).
silktide 8 months ago 2
@silktide this whole thing is so stupid and it shouldn't be targeting webmasters and designers - i seems this all happened because of the big advertisers taking it to a whole new level... browsers *are* starting to educate users on what cookies do - they need to be educating the end users about cookies and how they're used, instead of penalising the creators and developers
se7ven6ix 8 months ago
Awesome!
westparkmedia 9 months ago
Now I want cookies..
SaxitDevil 9 months ago
If you thought this law was crazy, just check out the new one that bans you from saying "Facebook" or "Twitter" on TV in France. Seriously.
(Can't post a link here but check TechCrunch or any other tech news website and weep).
silktide 9 months ago
if your user choose not to allow cookies, how to you remember their choice?
brevaelc 9 months ago 31
@brevaelc Why with a ... ah. Hmm.
Actually all joking aside that's exactly what the ICO does on their own website, and they kind of are allowed by their own laws. That cookie was opted into - they don't set it until you agree to all cookies. The bigger problem is you can't set a cookie to remember that they haven't opted in, so you have to display the irritating stupid message on every page until they give in.
silktide 9 months ago 3
@silktide Bullshit. You set an option in their user preferences asking whether they want to allow cookies. You store their option server side. Problem solved.
The only reason you're whining about it is because you're a company that profits from tracking cookies, and you know the vast majority of users will opt for "No".
Boo fucking hoo!
MisterDogshit 9 months ago
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wsimarketingstrategy 8 months ago
Hi, great video. I'm as baffled as the people creating the law. I have my site hosted in the US though I live in the UK. Some of my sites are .com others .co.uk but all hosted in the US. Will i have to adapt to this law?
barryAwells 9 months ago
@barryAwells It's nothing to do with where you site is hosted, and everything to do with what laws you subscribe to as a business - if you're based in the UK, it'll be the UK laws. Unless you're a massive multinational corporation, where it can get more complex, you should just worry about the laws for the country the site owner is based in.
silktide 9 months ago 2
@silktide I'm inclined to suggest that businesses primarily based on the Web reincorporate somewhere less silly and with a much friendlier and less hostile approach to online businesses - like the Isle of Man. As a small startup without the technical clout that larger competitors have, this law will kill us. We're looking at the IoM as an alternative for incorporation because it seems to be the only feasible way forward for us.
jsp1983 2 months ago
Excellent Video! But surely you can get around it by having your systems hosted outside the EU? which is a GREAT move for the financial prospect of the many EU based hosting companies!
CaptinFonz 9 months ago
@CaptinFonz It's not your hosting which matters, it's where you do business. Is there any legal entity in the EU which a case could be made against (e.g. do you have offices there?) If so, it doesn't matter where you host.
Of course even that isn't clear - what if say Facebook has an office for tax purposes in the EU (which I think they do). Can that tax office be prosecuted for use of cookies? That'll be for lawyers to figure out.
silktide 9 months ago 2
@silktide Thx, stupidly thought about what I posted AFTER posting it and realised that it must be down to your business and not hosting - certainly will be interesting seeing the first few prosecutions going through!
CaptinFonz 9 months ago
@CaptinFonz You can say goodbye to decent rankings in search engines if your website is hosted outside the coutnry you intend to do business in.
ob1kenobi3000 8 months ago
The world is crazy. Thanks for the video! Will share it.
IncomeDiary 9 months ago
Absolutely stunning short sightedness and stupidity from the EU. So I go to a site and I want to buy something but need to get my card so I click off and go back later. When I return there I need to find the product again. I set preferences on a page and when I go back they are all gone. I want the page to load faster but each time I go I am a new user... Starting to look a mess isn't it!
Valprop 9 months ago
@Valprop No. You sign up to the website, go to your user profile, check the box next to "Allow cookies", then go find your credit card, have a little cry, perhaps eat some Tofu... whatever.
MisterDogshit 9 months ago
sry, i haven't quite understand everything about this law. probably because english isn't my mother tongue. But does the law just prohibits the use of cookies (information which is stored on the computer of the user) or does it prohibit all methods of tracking visitors on you website? I mean is it still allowed to create a selfmade analytics tool which isnt using cookies??
oh and also i subed and expect more great videos from you^^
Dectois 9 months ago
@Dectois Thanks! The law refers to all "similar technologies" to cookies. This is what the ICO wrote:
"These changes apply to storage or gaining access to information
stored, in the device of a subscriber or user. This means the use of
cookies and similar technologies for storing information."
"The Regulations also apply to similar technologies for storing
information. This could include, for example, Locally Stored Objects
(commonly referred to as “Flash Cookies”)."
silktide 9 months ago
@Dectois You'll be able to track visitors by looking at server logs, but nearly all analytics software currently relies on cookies because they provide far more information, and allow you to do things like count people, not downloads.
Without cookies, it's almost impossible to tell whether a visitor is a real person; you certainly can't tell if they've visited your site before, and it's far harder to measure things like what journey they took around your site.
oliveremberton 9 months ago
Join in the new game that's sweeping the EU. It's called "Bureaucracy". Everybody stands in a circle. The first person to do anything loses.
silktide 9 months ago 4
There is just two things that are infinite. The stupidity of this cookie law, and the universe, even though I am not sure about the universe.
andreasfmpro 9 months ago 12