Cinematographer vs. Producer

[JEUBEDA]

Seeing as 7Ds, 5Ds, etc. are used in professional movies and TV productions, this video sounds like it’s coming from a filmmaker who is behind the times. Either that, or they don’t that it’s about the person behind the camera, not the camera itself. If you have work hard and hone your skill, you will make something good with no matter what camera you use.

[jadethefilo]

this sound like the assholes in my film class who end up getting the worst grade shooting on their dv monstrosities while I'm getting "A"s with a 5D and my film prof is giving me huge praise

[BradmBallew]

4 stop range? More like 11 stops and if you get a 5D or 60D with magic lantern you can shoot HDR and pretty much give yourself as much dynamic range as you want, with some limitations. I think the people who outright trash DSLRs are just as silly as the people who think that a DSLR will make them David Fincher. It has a ton of potential in the right hands. It has already proven itself to be a worthy tool for professional filmmaking. Of course, we would all love to have an Alexia. :)

[NitsanPictures]

**FACEPALM**

Whoever made this refuses to accept that DSLRs are VERY OFTEN used in Hollywood (most recently I recall it was used on Iron Man 2) and even entire feature films shot on the 7D/5D.

and the 'Producer' is just a character with overemphasized stubbornness rather than a real example of a person.

I've NEVER met a producer or client who insisted anything be shot on a particular camera.

But yes, DSLRs have issues.. We know this.... They are still amazing tools..

[frametheory]

I think the job of a producer is to find the financing and leave the cinematography to the cinematographer.

[Serouisly]

What is a dslr?

[bluebettle]

Fuck, the 2nd best film I saw in 2011 was a little indie film shot on DSLRs, it's called "Without" find it and see it.

The guy thinks that maintaining the ridiculous bloat of modern Hollywood films is more important than some small technical shortcomings. But with a DSRL, I could sneak into something even as well-guarded as Disney World and shoot a HD narrative without even having to get a permit or even permission....to me, that freedom beats any type of issues the rolling shutter woud bring.

[xxbluejay21]

bs. "Act of Valor" was made 85% on DSLR's.

[MacWarMedia]

@xxbluejay21 100% *

[xxbluejay21]

@MacWarMedia nope. 85%. From the mouth of the cinematographer himself. They used film cameras for some parts too.

[OfficerYelton]

hahaha. 4 stop range.

[tristan1555]

"its magic" lolzzz

[habde]

Sure the producer in this is a total dumbass. But not because she got a 7D. Sure it would look better if it was shot on a RED, but what if you don't have the money? The money you save on the camera can go towards lights, sound, post, etc.

[Chrisser1976]

@habde There is a limit to how cheaply you can shoot a film for. It's an expensive exercise because of the skilled labour you need not just the kit. In my experience RED brings far more problems to the real process of making films than a 'proper' camera like the Alexa. In my opinion much of the misunderstanding and sometimes stupid comments are made by people who class themselves as DOPs far too early. I was an assistant for six years before anyone let me shoot anything.

[ridin1550]

Irony wrapped in a conundrum, spackled with reality. Welcome to the future. Who lit this short?

[NewAgeDirector]

Great video keep up the good work.

[MacWarMedia]

These are hilarious, but I have to disagree. DSLR's like the 5D Mark II are great for people on extremely low budget. Interchangeable lenses, Variable frame rates, 60 for some decent slow motion, compact, light, and good sizing. I am 16, so for me, its perfect, and a good training ground for future more advanced cameras where you do have to worry about aperature, focal lengths, etc.

[Chrisser1976]

@MacWarMedia you would be better off assisting for a few years.

[MacWarMedia]

@Chrisser1976 Why assist when I can take complete creative control and get way better skills? Plus, theres no time to go out assisting people, I have school work and other commitments, not to mention film making as a 2nd job. Assisting would suck, and yes, it would teach you a lot, but also, not everyone lives in hollywood, theres no one around here filming anything on pro equipment! I'm the best cinematographer according to some people on the island! :(

[Rogeramirez]

I laughed harder because I've been working with both cameras... and yes... there's a noticeably difference.

[Alvinwhatup2]

Well no crap the Alexa is better than the 7D. It's like 65k$ more! You get what you pay for. But the fact that the 7D's images can even compare at all to that of high end cinema camera's impresses me. Why not shoot a feature film on the 7D, it gets great images, and most all the people that view the final project aren't going to be able to tell the difference. Plus it gives low income people like me the chance to make something that looks great and doesn't look like HDV. The talent is key.

[bluefishswims]

@Alvinwhatup2 amen!

[mx6driven]

@Alvinwhatup2 you clearly have not worked with any other camera beside the DSLR.  You can clearly see the difference. Even my cousin who i went to see black swan asked me why the subway scene looked like crap

[Alvinwhatup2]

@mx6driven Well obviously I haven't worked with an Arri Alexa. I'm 17 years old. You are lucky to work with a handycam at my age. The main point is that going as far as to say that DSLRS are nothing more than a $1,300.00 doorstop is a lie, considering the fact that they can be compared in some ways. They give you professional options at a low price and capture at full 1080p, and like I said before, sure you can see a diff, the Alexa is going to be better because you are paying 60k more.

[Scion142]

I have been shooting amateur video on a t2i for a year now, and can't get the footage to match some of the good stuff posted on Vimeo and elsewhere. There are inherent issues with shooting video on a DSLR and its showed up on sooo many occasions - rolling shutter, antialiasing, grain etc. I try to remove these issues in post, but am not successful.

[tylerfrankling]

Redtails, latest LucasArts film is also being shot with the 5D (partly).

They are great cameras, you just have to be clever and film in a different way, don't shoot agaisnt a brick wall, and don't do whip pans.

[bluefishswims]

I guess the fact that the 7D was used on Black Swan for some shots means nothing to the people who are saying it should never be used on a feature film.

You think an audience cares about some low light noise? or other miniscule image issues? Shaggy Dog & Last Airbender were shot on high end equipment and it didn't save those films.

A real film maker can tell a good story and make a good film with the tools at hand. Bottom line. Whether it's a webcam or a Red Cam.

[sihooyin1]

@bluefishswims that was one of the worst films ive ever seen... and ugliest

[bluefishswims]

@sihooyin1 you forgot to add "in my opinion" to the end of that statement. it's ok though.

[rockinyou2001]

@bluefishswims Black Swan was shot on 16mm. Few shots on DSLR.

[bluefishswims]

@rockinyou2001 Yup! Shot on a variety of cameras. 7D being one of them that it shows in behind the scenes using a 7D and just one tiny external light. Referring again to my quote from my original comment "7D was used on Black Swan for some shots". Thanks!

[rockinyou2001]

@bluefishswims So if it's few shots, it means nothing to me. Saw the picture, it's in the underground scene. The small light is a portable LED, which I use as well, very handy.

[Alvinwhatup2]

@rockinyou2001 What is the standard color temp of those small LED panels?

[rockinyou2001]

@Alvinwhatup2 Cool. Around daylight temp. But can get also with temp dimmer.

[bluefishswims]

@rockinyou2001 Yup...portable LEDs are typically the tiny external lights used with 7Ds...and most people who own 7Ds own an LED too...I have one also. Great stuff.

...but, the fact that it meant something to the director when he had to put together an equipment list of which cameras he wanted to use on his film, sorta has a larger "punch" than your statement. And holds more credibility as well...sorry. Can't really changed what's already happened. :)

[Alvinwhatup2]

@rockinyou2001 They actually used 3 DSLR's numerous times, and not just the 7D. They used the 1D MkIV and 5D MkII as well. 

[YababaVideo]

@bluefishswims I agree! Best comments about cameras! Little minor things are whatever! Use them as expressions of art!

[planOrama]

Video = MagneticElectric=COLD , Film = Chemical C41 =WARM

The PixelSize has a physically small range.

I´m shure the Audience of Future didn´t want blue coffee or green ketchup.

Plz learn Filmmaking from Internet or lousy Workshops - so is enough Work left for the Pro´s - muahahaha (freaky lol)

[hermmermferm]

I guess all those TV shows, commercials and features shot on DSLRs are "horseshit." 

[billoberstjr]

Brilliantly funny. I've been in front of a 7D on skid row at 2am with a skeletal G&E package. Available light my ass.

[AhickmanProd]

I JUST HAD THIS EXACT CONVERSATION ON SUNDAY!!

I could not believe the flat out ignorance, I mean you would think they would do some research as how to shoot a proper film. Also IF THEY MAKE THESE DECISIONS WHY HIRE A CINEMATOGRAPHER IF YOU WONT TAKE THEIR PROFESSIONAL INSIGHT?

[donibelle]

Hm. I'm not in the biz, but it looks to me like the tech geeks have done much the same thing to film-making as they did to layout design. And music production. You don't have to have a good eye (or ear) to type shit. Lucky us!

[Janis0507]

Superb video!!!! it is so true!!!! :DDDDDDDDD

[rainerfilm]

What is a stop over P?

[lamiaoccisor]

The Canon 7D is not 35MM and should never be used for any film work, the 5D is much better since its 35mm, the 5D is almost as expensive as RED when you go and use it on a professional level so is Alexa, so in theory the only dif between Alexa and Red is 20k, and 5D which work great is 40k less than Alexa. Lenses for Canon 5D are the EXACT SAME LENSES on ALEXA and RED, if you know what you are doing you can do amazing work with the 5D, i Know their are limitations but depending on the project.

[mischivo]

@lamiaoccisor The sensor in the 5D is equivalent to the size of a 35mm STILLS frame, having a negative size of 24mm by 36mm. The 7D, with an APS-C sensor (which is approximately 18mm by 23mm), is almost the same size as a 35mm CINEMA frame. If you compare the Red One to the 7D, you'll notice that the latter is slightly taller, and the former is slightly wider. n00b =)

[sageofgame]

@lamiaoccisor but the pixel compilation on the 5d is horrible compared to the Alexa or the sony f23. you can see a huge difference when looking at it on a broadcast monitor or a nice hd screen laptop

[dylnvcufilm]

So well written, and it shows you know what you're talking about. I think this is my favorite one of this film crew series.

"Wow... I'm totally fucked..."

[Capesports4]

7D's and 5D Mark II's can be used for features. Just not the best idea yet.

[TVKalmes]

funny...

[santanamedia]

love it! 5D MII!

[soulscion]

haha love it! 'I can't believe I'm going to say this but why can't use a Red?' brilliant! I am having this debate with my co workers as well - from my filmmaking uni course I still prefer film but I also have a 7D :D

[superiordirk]

Well written. And great writing makes a decent film. When they start talking about security... ya, we always laugh the dark humour laugh when we call needle check before shooting the alley scenes... PA's are handy ;-)

[Beardnor]

On a feature film intended for theatrical release, I would agree with the DP. But in the indy world the t2i, 5d, and 7d can be good closeup cameras in a pinch. The red is nice to use if you have the money to rent it and its support gear. But if you don't a DSLR can get you through a project with fairly good results. I would combine a t2i or 7d (close ups and DOF shots) with a prosumer HD camera like the Canon XHA1 (for wides and motion heavy shots) if you're short on cash.

[imageminister]

HaHaHa right on

[TheRollingartdept]

Missing the point guys

Let's look at the tech side 10 years ago it was HI-8 then Mini DV. Nobody even talked about replacing film except in still photography. In 2004 the 1ds was born for professional photographer. The argument was similar Digital Vs. Film. The solution medium format digital. (Digital Won the battle)

Now there is a cheap 35mm digital format Canon Mk2&Red (Red is still a good budget camera) The battle will go on until medium format digital sensors replace film for good.

[nomadtv]

Clerks Sucked...

[BrekanArts]

haha, the RED is too expensive. Man, we're screwed!

[347UMOM]

I believe that the real (or at least, most interesting) point in this film is the fact that the Canon 7d is not suited for feature films, and is way overrated. It's great for filmschools and minor productions, but people (at least DPs) should appreciate 35mm, since video (with only a handful exeptions) always looks strange

[jiayunlim]

i guess moral of story is no one likes their field of work to go unappreciated. writer or producer or dop. story is just as important as quality of the look. the look of the project determines the dop's reputation too.

[BagCollector]

hahahahahaha...so true, goddamn producers suck!!!!

[Solarigirl]

this is hilarious!

[OfficerYelton]

i hope film students see this and actually pay attention.

[fourtheye246]

@OfficerYelton and what? Go use RED cameras instead? We have to make do with what we've got.

[mabusfe]

AMAZING!

[hogwashsentinel]

Whatever. It meets my needs and the price was right.

[iandouart]

I just shot a feature two months ago using the 7d with no g&e other than a still photography light kit, some guts with bare bulbs, and extension cords. For what we needed on a low budget shoot it worked wonders. It's not what you'd want to use on a big hollywood feature, naturally, but then again no one on this thread has probably ever shot a big hollywood feature, so why so many complaints? If you're on a tight budget it's a great camera to use.

[greatgosta]

ARG! You people that say it only comes down to story are short sighted. Yes, a great story makes a film great. The examples of good stories being made with non traditional equipment are rare. .

Think about all the films with BAD stories that are made with great equipment. With Hollywood production value you can at least make a great trailer that makes it seem like the movie is better than it is. These films still far too often sucker people in to the theater.

[Realitytourist]

Haha "it has great depth of field." One of the reasons people shoot video on DSLRs is to get shallow DOF. Of course "the Producer" probably doesn't know the difference, just the buzz phrase.

[eyepatchentertainmen]

this is amazing

[newmantopia]

Anybody who feels the impact of this video needs to realize how IT was made.

[GranpaJustice]

amazing!



[codebreaker2001]

Another thing that people should keep in mind: It's not about the camera you have, its about how you tell the story. Don't believe me? Think of it like this: "The Blair Witch Project" was partially shot on a consumer grade video camera, as was "Bamboozled." "28 Days Later" was shot on a prosumer MiniDV camera. And, from my producing class, our instructor told us about how a student made a short film using the built-in camera of a MacBook Pro, telling it from the POV of the laptop.

[codebreaker2001]

In the 1990s, a toy camera called the PXL-2000 was used in the making of several movies. One scene in the movie "Slacker" (1991) and some parts of "Nadja" (1993) are examples of them. The camera, though a toy not to be taken seriously, was used primarily for its abstract visual of "pixelvision." It doesn't matter what camera you use, as long as you've got a good story. To quote George Clooney, "You can make a bad movie from a good script. But you can't make a good movie from a bad script."

[Ogoshopping]

the forgot to mention it overheating after 6 minutes of recording...or breaking the hdmi cables every other day

[feshberd]

@Ogoshopping I've never had any overheating problems with my 7D, aside from some days where the sun was beating right onto it, but even then a whole day of shooting in the situation I had no problems at all.

Maybe some models are worse than others.

[TheMattKehoe]

I love that it's a cartoon about film making made on a website where you just type dialog...

congratulations on your amazing masterpiece.

[woppinbob]

@TheMattKehoe Yeah the irony is pretty stark and unforgettable. Best comment ever!

[Dittent420]

Anyone who has anything bad to say about this piece lives in the low-budget world of production. Put in the time it takes to join the unions. Play with the big kids. You non-union hacks make us all laugh.

[pablovanwetten]

@Dittent420

"You non-union hacks make us all laugh."

Us meaning industry NERDS?

Laugh as in sarcastically sniggering?

I feel sorry for you, I have met you so many times, and I feel sorry for you.

[jacenK]

best video ever

[cbifilms]

All I can say when someone wants to shoot on a 7D is "Why?" What's the advantage? Why struggle to make a camera that's designed for stills to make motion pictures. It makes no sense at all.  Do I use a lawn tractor when I want to drive on the highway?

[berisky]

youtube.com/watch?v=v6yuLsoXYi­o&feature=channel

[SpacePopePro]

House was shot on the 5D Mark II. Know wtf you're talking about, morons.

[tikiedit]

@SpacePopePro Once. Then they went back to being grown ups.

[darrentv001]

This is funny well done, but I still love what you can get out of a 7D and what its done for the independent film-maker.

[ben2zehn]

Funny funny funny and true!

[mmo441]

This is just a hater!!! The noise in the blacks are just until you convert it to apple pro-res, that cleans it up.!!!H.264 is not a format you want to work with. It is compressed!!!!!! That just tells me this man hasn't done his homework!!!!!!!!!!!!! But of course you need lights with the 7D, the image that you get using professional lights and that camera is amazing!

[mmo441]

This is just a hater!!! The noise in the blacks are just until you convert it to apple pro res, that cleans it up.!!!H264 is not a format you want to work with. It is compressed!!!!!! That just tells me this man hasn't done his homework!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jasoneugeneflynn]

Great stuff!

[fuentesd21]

I can fit a 7D into a 400' foot mag and make my movies look like film! I mean it doesn't get any better than this!

[salikabbasi]

"skintones that clip over ______ (?)." basically the entire bit from 1.07 to 1.26, did anyone else get that? could anyone clarify what he's saying? or maybe give me a link for like the "four stop range", having to use bigger lights, etc. i haven't seen anything online saying that yet, and i'd appreciate the perspective.

[salikabbasi]

i think he's saying "skin tones that clip a stop over key". is this true? or exaggerated for effect?

[manojmaj]

well why spoil it by using abusive language ...

[xxDreakins]

everyone's running around with the stupid 7D and thinks they're the best ever! And it's really not. ughhhhhhh its for PHOTOS. plus the nikon is better for photos in my opinion.

But still, I would choose a RED camera over a 7D anyday

[ncfom]

These are the funniest most truthful videos out there. In your fucking face Producers. About time you start to hear how stupid you sound.

[hasten47]

If you really think the cinematographer character is wrong then you should totally get into the film business. You'll be a rich, hack-ass producer who fucks over their crews in no time! Good for you! You'll be another in a long line of cunts helping to kill the entire craft of filmmaking. Good thing you went to film school...

[02Alan93]

Joe Hahn from Linkin Park directed me to this video! :D

[xXxTayRex13]

they should make one for casting lol

[girlonlaptop]

lol

[apardor]

jajajaja, this is amazing, but I am stll shooting a feature on the 5D and have been doing a lot of tests on Film screen, compared shots with the current Red, and will keep shooting on the 5D, As a DP I really don't recommend to shoot on a 7D just like in this video (don't fall for that 60fps feature) the 7D doesn't look good in big screen, like the 5D, I just can say that the 5D is impressive.

[StoFelipe]

Can't believe someone is actually comparing a 5D MKII or even the 7D to a RED. Apparently they don't know much about camcorders or their sensors.

A decent script is important too. Shooting a crappy story on a RED and shooting a great story on a 7D are definitely not worth comparing.

[theautisticstitch]

KEEP EM COMING!!!!!!!!!

[waterlily27]

5d mk2, just for the fact that its sensor isn't cropped like the current RED and the 7d, is my favorite to shoot shorts.

[vipermesh]

I think i will camouflage my 7D from now on.

[baloo845]

as a fellow cinematographer this is hilarious... 

[condor74]

excellent!!

[GregWatermann]

Beautiful.

[TheshoWmsu]

this is hilarious... but i still love that 7D.

[FromTheHead]

19K+ views and counting. That is amazing. I love this piece. Saw this video recognized by the American Society of Cinematographers on their site.

[FromTheHead]

64K+ on xtranormal site - incredible.

[johnnyfitzo]

haha this is so funny. 

[sdidi666]

Watch out Steven Spielberg.

[headcage]

I agree with Mr utubevideomonkey.. it's funny and hey sometimes the truth hits a nerve - ffs lighten up - lol

[utubevideomonkey]

Wow! Lighten up folks. I found this really funny. I have been a DP for nearly 20 years, I shoot on film, HD and yes god forbid the 7D and 5D. I have been sending this to all my friends, why? Because it is F*c#ing funny. Not because it is going to change production.

[bronkomeister]

The last few comments are facile. They aren't mutually exclusive, you can have both. A great script and great photography. Just like you can have great sound, great production design, great editing, great acting, great wardrobe, etc. They all complement each other. Film making is not a devisive act, it is a collaboration. I'm struggling to understand the mindset of people who make such comments, I can only assume that they are either ignorant of the process or have had bad experiences.

[otukel]

great script, great acting and great SOUND are far more important than photography! In other words, I'd rather watch Richard Linklater's TAPE before Jon Turteltaub's NATIONAL TREASURE any day of the week!

[bronkomeister]

Well you don't NEED lights if your entire script takes place in front lit daytime exteriors. It might limit your subject matter though. I could write a list of films that DID need lights, it might be quite a long list though. Lighting is not about balancing contrast to fall within the sensitometric parameters of your recording medium, it is about story telling and creating a mood to set you story in. The point of the film is to satirise the opportunistic attitude to cost cutting. It is a joke.

[RawPower]

This is so stupid.

You DON'T need lights. So many films have been made using video or 35mm without lights - Kiarostami, Hong, Costa, Godard, Akerman; are just some examples.

Also see the above for filmmakers who have made feature films using prosumer DV cameras, or even old video cams.

Of course you can make a feature film using a 7D, it may have more noise, and aliasing; but who gives a shit, this is filmmaking, the technical stuff will never matter as much as the subject.

[bL4ckg4dg3t]

both of these people are idiots.

[NoHuddleProductions]

I think that the gripe in this video is really less about the DSLR camera and more about the battle that is often fought with the producer over cutting corners, and how penny pinching limits the creativity of the artist, and can in a lot of cases diminish the quality of the fim. Look at a little film called SUPERMAN IV THE QUEST FOR PEACE.

[cannoir]

@NoHuddleProductions they want to have a cake and eat it too. when you disagree they make it sound like " oh well any film student can do shoot it and spend 95 hours on post for free" lol!

[hpakl]

I agree to a point. I am in high school, looking to get into film school. I love shooting as the DP, however, i find it the opposite situation. I am in a Mass Media group with my friends who are all in theater productions and me not so much. working with them is tough, as they are the ones who ultimately try to cut corners. I tell them that im willing to pay the costs that they cant afford but in the end they seem to win and me as the DP left in the back to suffer when i try to get the job done.

[hpakl]

@NoHuddleProductions I agree to a point I am in high school looking into film school I love shooting as the DP however i find it the opposite situation I am in a Mass Media group with my friends who are all in theater productions and me not so much working with them is tough as they are the ones who ultimately try to cut corners I tell them that im willing to pay the costs that they cant afford but in the end they seem to win and me as the DP left to suffer when i try to get the job done

[aquiestamosentv]

jajajajajajjajajajajajajjajaja­!!!!!

[NoHuddleProductions]

I've had a low budget producer say, "hey we don't need lights for this" twice in the past week. I took them anyway, and it turned out that we desprately needed them both times.

[benchows]

hilarious!!!

[danielbeanfilms]

I find it awesome that the person who made this movie had to use a web site that says "anyone who can type can make a movie." That says it all.

[bronkomeister]

for the cinematographer the choice of format is paramount. with the extended latitude, choice of filmstocks and processing techniques he or she can author the image in far stronger way, pushing a look much further in camera. can you imagine 'the godfather' looking like it does if it was shot on hd and then graded with a committee of producers. they would have kittens. any good cinematographer will be an expert on new technology, own a dslr a know exactly what it can and cant do.

[bronkomeister]

in point of fact this is exactly the sort of thing a certain type of producer would say. Ive heard this argument several times. that is what makes this so funny. 7d's 5d's 1d's red's all great value for money, great budget tools, great for access level film making. And the audience do notice what things are shot on, maybe not on youtube with huge compression, but on tv, more so in hdtv's and certainly at the cinema.

[musclpix]

"Just look at a little film called CLERKS" is the same argument as "anyone born in a little log cabin can become President of these United States."

May be, but, to date, exactly ONE person has done this, and he was Abraham Lincoln.

For every CLERKS, there are something like 844,912,736 pieces of crap made with similar equipment/on similar budgets/whatever. Funny how no one ever gets around to talking about THEM.

The PROCESS of storytelling should be transparent, or it's a demo reel.

[2wenty4frames]

It's funny cause i am regrettably in film school at the moment and i was talking to a few DP students who were going on a 35mm shoot the following day, me being a writer and Director, asked what the story was, the response... "who cares?" and when i get into heated arguments about movies people say "but it looked good" you can polish a turd, it's still a turd.

Some of us don't have sugar parents to buy us REDs and we get along fine with decent scripts... look at a little film called CLERKS.

[MrWithacee]

@2wenty4frames Maybe those cinematography student friends of yours were just pulling your chain, either that or they may have missed a couple of important lessons. Cinematography is about telling the story in images in the most appropriate way. Rather than being an element of a movie that can be taken in isolation it should be in fact an intrinsic part of the film and the story. The camera imparts so much more than just pictures.

[bovinicide]

@2wenty4frames

good point!

[smerk]

@2wenty4frames

CLERKS ??

what year is this??

have you watched it lately?

lol

[StuartHaight]

@2wenty4frames

I'm full of those at my school. Makes me want to yell silently to myself while not being able to convince them that they are stupid through clearly explained reasoning.

[hpakl]

@2wenty4frames @NoHuddleProductions I agree to a point I am in high school looking into film school I love shooting as the DP however i find it the opposite situation I am in a Mass Media group with my friends who are all in theater productions and me not so much working with them tough as they are the ones who ultimately try to cut corners I tell them im willing to pay the costs that they cant afford but in the end they seem to win and me as the DP left to suffer when i try to get the job done

[AnimatedCritics]

Pretty funny stuff! I just got more information about why this camera isn't good in this video than from anywhere else. --- Be sure and check out AnimatedCritics for movie news and more.

[sitrucm]

What was this shot on?

[pughga]

@sitrucm rostrum!!

[aminoussar]

haha LOL

[creaturemaker007]

Sounds like the same voices used for Verizon animated messages! You're a trip man.

[bellajj75]

This is the best! This is the best! OMG! I LOVE IT! I LOVE IT! 35mm or DIE.

[twocom]

wow. this is so genius. AHHHH SO TRUE!!! AHHHHH AHHHH

[Sinderella1113]

But does it print money?

[fireex31]

producers need to learn to sit down and shut up an let the cinematographers do what they do best. the problem with DLSR's and Digital in general is that they all have a certain look. i can tell what is shot on a red and also what is shot in a 7d. i participated in a 24 hour film festival and sad to say i used a 7d and so did every one els. the winers used a HVX 200 witch won best cinematography. in general does not matter what the DP should have the final say on what they should shoot on

[Dernage]

@fireex31 Of course they won Best Cinetography. I don't think anyone would keep a straight face saying a 7D is better than a RED camera. The debate is whether the upgrade means anything to anyone other than cinematographers. I bet the audience of House's season finale didn't even notice there was an aesthetic change, that's how much it matters to your average audience. People tuned in to work out whether it was lupus or whatever, not because they're fans of colour grading.

[errollaurie]

Seems to me that this was made by someone fresh out of film school who doesn't really know what they're talking about when it comes to cinematographers or producers but felt they should vent because they heard this argument from two friends who are equal idiots with just as little experience in the field. Stop acting like you know what you're talking about. Technical knowledge isn't all you need to make a movie. And a producer wouldn't act like that.

[Yvgeniy]

@errollaurie I think the point you're missing here is that this is clearly a joke, and does not necessarily and in any way reflect the actual views of the author of this video. And second off, if you've worked on enough sets you know these kinds of arguments do crop up. Maybe not to the extent of the stupidity you see here, but it happens. Again, this is clearly a caricature of the actual, and that obviously means exaggerated and not serious.

[Chaos411vm]

This is where I laugh at those cinematographers that have a one track mind and think negatively. There has been some beautiful stuff shot with those DSLR's. Itzawrap is spot on what he said. When it comes down to it, it's a tool. What most DP's don't get is that 90% of the population doesn't know and doesn't care what it was shot on.If the story is great, they won't notice possible shortcomings. If the story is horrible no matter what it was shot on, it's still going to suck.

[jeddysea]

@Chaos411vm

Most people don't know or care if a painting is oil or acrylic but we still preserve the art they are. We DP's want to maintain the strictest quality of our craft. Christopher Nolan has a good take on this. All DP's know that most people can't tell the difference- this is not the point. Film is a visual medium, not just about capturing narrative (i.e. Terrance Malik). Film is more like music. BTW, I have a DSLR too.

[itzawrap]

it does not matter what one shoots with if the writing is poor. Most writing IS poor so why waste more money than necessary to 'capture' crap?

For me the bottom line is this: Filmmaking is not as much about the tools we use to carve with as it is the stories we are trying to carve.

If and when film stock ever goes away completely it will be a sad day for sure. But there will be angels rejoicing in heaven when stupid producers stop making stupid films (shot on film or otherwise).

[aquiestamosentv]

@itzawrap

maybe the third or fourth best comments i ve read on the internet ever!

congratulations!

[ItsNotFlare]

HA! Pretty funny. I hate Canon, but I think shooting on HDSLR cameras is fairly useful sometimes. I have mine modified with a PL mount. It's on consignment over at Sim Video in Los Angeles if anyone wants to rent it and try it out. The phone number is three two three nine seven eight nine thousand.

[timonicmusic]

please do one between composers and producers.

[Muttboom27]

Good bye Panavision, Arri, Claremont, Otto.....

[wananurious]

This Rocks!!! I'm about to shoot a whole project with one of these f'n things, and I'm the only one thinking everyone has lost their minds.

[mvunit3]

Oh Hell! my budding Director, Cameramen, and Cinematography friends will LOVE this! :D "Is this the shit you learned in Film School?" :P

[norec]

"we bought final cut pro and a laptop".... hahahahaha