I read the best answer a while ago on youtube. Don't remember where, though.
Basically - it doesn't matter anymore. He sees his children and he abandons the spinning top because it doesn't matter anymore. He just wants to be with his children and move on with his life. Whether he's still dreaming or awake is no longer relevant.
Watch a Pre-January 8th copy of Inception. Listen closely when the actors say imagine, reality, safe, and envelope, or point pistols. You'll hear the words, Loughner, offin' her, part of the word Giffords, and much more. Some even say they hear, do it.
Michael Caine recently commented that the end of Inception was, in fact, reality. He said you could tell by the presence of his character, who never enters the dreams.
Seriously overrated film... Good cinematography, nice effects, good acting, but the story is nothing special. The whole is he dreaming at the end doesn't add much.
@JolandaCeplak I love hopw you try to undermine this fantastic script and yet you yourself just proved that you dont understand the ending. So how is anyone supposed to take you seriously? First step in forming an argument: ELIMINATE ALL BIAS!
Seriously people, the top only means that he isn't in someone else's dream. He could be dreaming for all we know. Heck, he could be in a dream created by an architect (like that girl, i forgot her name, but she was a dream architect). Then he would still be in his own dream, but it would've been created to fully suit him and his needs. Really, it's only REAL if you make it real. We all could be in a 'dream' ourselves right now, but not know it because we think it is real. Ever seen the Matrix?
Cobb literally MADE the top significant when he was in limbo with Mal. She didn't tell him if it should spin forever, he just spun it and planted the idea. NOTICE Cobb only spins the top after he's recently seen Mal in a dream.
At the end, he looks away from the top, once again prove it isn't significant, as he believes he is in reality.
@davisstdude She has forgotten what is reality so he goes into her mind and finds the top which is not spinning and spins it. And because the world they are in isn't reality it spins forever which plants the idea that the world she is in isn't real. And this is how he knows inception is possible, but you have to 'plant the simplest form of the idea'. I have no idea what you're talking about, he spins the top after every dream to test if he is in reality.
@K0WNAGE Watch again closely. The top is used consistently to prove Mal is dead (used every time he sees her in a dream), and the wedding ring represents her existence in his mind. The children's faces are Cobb's true totem for "reality".
@davisstdude Why would they need to prove she's dead we are told she is dead, he uses the top after every dream not just the ones where he sees his wife. And there isn't even a mention of a wedding ring in the film. I don't know what your smoking, how are the children a totem to prove he's not dreaming when the cliff hanger ending is saying, He could still be dreaming. I think you need to go watch it again :s
@K0WNAGE In order to understand the movie to the full extent you need to think on different levels. If you actually watched closely, you might catch, hang on, shocker... Mal is like an infection in Cobb's subconscious, just because we are told she is dead obviously does not erase her from his memory.
As per the children, they are the only thing Cobb truly recognizes as reality, their faces. In fact, he refuses to look at them in limbo (near the end of the movie).
@K0WNAGE That is a point, however, there are various motivations for casting changes. I doubt Nolan wanted us to base our interpretation of the movie based on the credits.
so here is what I deciphered from watching Inception: If you notice when Cobb is in the dream he is wearing his wedding ring. And all the times he is in realtiy he is not wearing the ring. And if anyone was still confused about what happened in the end, well he is back in reality because at the airport, he did not have his wedding ring on. Anyone agree or disagree?
Nolan decided to leave it up to the audience. Heck, none of us would be here if the totem had wobbled and not fell... i bet he has no definitive answer himself... ???
What everybody seems to forget is that the top is Mal's totem, not Leos. Leo's totem is his wedding ring. If you follow the entire movie you will see that the wedding ring only appears on his hand in the dream world. In the last scene of the movie there is no ring on his finger, leading us to conclude that he is in reality and not stuck in limbo.
Besides the fact that Nolan perhaps wanted the audience to think and decide for themselves, or that Cobb didn't care if things were real or not after he got back to his kids...
1. Cobb is not wearing a ring in "reality", but does during the dreams, because his dreams contain his memories of being married.
2. Cobb has to explain certain concepts to Ariadne; if everything was a dream, then she would already know the concepts, being in his subconscious.
It's amazing how many people are saying that they "know" the answer and that everyone else are stupid because they couldn't see that "It's a dream/it isn't a dream/is deliberately ambiguous". I guess you all can't be right.
Nolan has performed Inception on his audience, to make them question what they've just been shown. With that one little seed, the idea that it might be a dream takes hold, just like Cobb said at the start.
Knockout movie in my opinion, deserves all the praise it's getting.
Cob spins the totem to see if he is in reality but then sees his kids face, HE then moves away from the totem to see his kids. This means that he decides in his mind that he doesnt care if this is reality or a dream , he is happy that he has finally with his kids (the whole point he did inception) and he doesnt care if he is dreaming ... he does not want to know!
You all do realize that Michael Caine came out and stated that the top falls over and that the ending was NOT a dream.
It's not ambiguous, it's that he didn't NEED to see the top topple in order to know it wasn't a dream-- There were other signs already, the children's faces actually being visible, for one. The ring on his finger not being there (notice all scenes taking place in reality he does NOT have a ring on his finger. In the dream world he does. In the ending, he does not).
There absolutely is an answer. See my last comment. The ending is only that way because the director didn't feel the need to spoon feed us the ending. He figured we'd be smart enough to figure it out on our own. Apparently not.
So surprised that even after they've come out and said it wasn't a dream at the end, the top falls, people still think there's no actual answer. Sorry, but this is one of those situations that is black and white.
@BrentonSteinhilber Of course the top falls, but Cobb is still dreaming. There are two separate interpretations. There's your interpretation which is take the film at face value which is Cobb's view. Or you take Mal's view in that they never actually left limbo when the train "kicked" them. If you believe Mal's view then Cobb has deluded himself into think the dream world is reality ergo the top will behave however he expects it to, even if he IS dreaming.
Any writer will tell you that ending a story with 'it was all a dream' is fucking retarded. The sort of stuff handed back to you with an 'E' at the age of 8. I can honestly vouch for that.
Also, if a movie needs to stop every 20 mins or so to explain a plot it's not a good sign. It's called 'making shit up as you go along'. They run out of ideas and turn it into a boring slow mo matrix style shoot out.
i really wonder now if he really did wake up... the totum wasnt really his to begin with, & he said at the start that u never let anyone touch ur totum... so wot was his totum before he got that one from his wife?
@mnomic someone cannot use the same totum as another has used. Therefore, the spinning top isnt his totum, its his wifes!! HIS IS HIS WEDDING RING. In his dream, he is married to his wife, therefore, he wears his wedding ring. In reality, he is not married her, she is dead, so he does not wear the ring. In the end, he is not wearing his ring, therefore its REALITY. WOOPPP!
@mnomic It's explained clearly in the film that you never let someone touch your totem because then they'll know what's unique about it (ie. they'll be able to trick you into thinking you're awake).
The only people who knew what Mal's totem's unique thing was (spinning forever in a dream), were Mal and Cobb. And Mal's dead, so Cobb can use her totem all he wants.
Some people missed that part of the film, judging by some of the other comments replying to yours :P
@mnomic i dont wanna ruin it for you but ill give you a hint. Remember the fact that Cobb can't dream naturally anymore. Also you find out that he lives off his memories. What was the main difference between his memories and his present reality? after you figure that out. Look of the object that represents a clear difference between the two. THAT, my friend, is his totem and the answer to this film.
@mnomic it doesnt matter if it was hers, because she's dead. no one alive knows the feel of/ the weight of the spinning top besides him. and it doesn't matter if he woke up or not, chris nolan didn't want you to care about that. the significance of the ending is that he ignored the totum, and went to his kids. that's all he wanted. (btw if you really want an answer, he was awake, because he didn't have his wedding ring on. throughout the film cobb only wears it in dreams)
@MauCho182 But still if he was dreaming, his subconscious could have made them older and made the other changes as well. He may be in a dream. It is left for interpretation for a reason. That's the beauty of Nolan's creation (maybe even he doesn't really know, hasn't maybe event thought of it). It is just like waking up from a dream right before it ends. Incredible movie
Here's your answer: He awakes because all we have seen is his dream. We are taken into that dream. Dreams usually end when right as we reach something unbearably conclusive, before we can get the answer we have journeyed for, when we get to the best part, him seeing his children's faces.
Ok... He's dreaming. first Look At The Kids That Keep Showing up Through The Movie, They Wear The Same Clothes, And Are Doing The Same Thing ( Playing In Dirt, Kid Throws Dirt, Blah Blah Blah) Even Throughout The End Because That's The Last Thing He Seen Them Doing, Yes, look And The Ending Scene With kids Playing In The Back Yard, Then Remember When He talks about His Kids (Showing Them In The Same Spot doing The Same Thing... Throughout The Movie.) Obvious... He He Got Stuck In Limbo Again...
Guys guys guys...what was the key theme of the film? How an idea is like a parasite, plant one little seed and watch it grow and grow and grow. That's what the ending was, planting the smallest seed of the idea he was still dreaming in our heads and boy...look how much it's grown through discussion. All you that say 'oh he obviously is in reality end of' or vice versa...I believe there is no right or wrong answer, it's open to interpret as we see fit.
He was in reality. Period. His kids were wearing different outfits than they did in his dreams. They were similar, which Nolan undoubtedly did intentionally to create debate. He also wasn't wearing his wedding ring, which he always wore in dreams but never in reality. Plus, the top made noises near the end which it never made during dreams. But god, this is a funny video.
cobb is not dreaming! if that was just a dream he would propably wake up somewhere else but he is in the plane and everyone is waking up..they look at him meaningfuly like they tell him " good job" during the film he said that he tries to call he's children but they run away from him...at the end they turn around and look at him..also the spinning thing starts to slow down which means it will eventually stop spinning! in my opinion the ending is clear but nolan wanted to make us question it..
I think the ending was left the way it was because they wanted people to talk about it. I really doubt that the writers wanted people to leave with a definitive answer. The more people get into a movie and talk about it the more people will want to see it. As far as the story goes, i would much rather it be open to interpretation.
It doesn't matter if the it totem was Mal's because she is dead. The only point of a totem is so that you can know when your in a dream created by someone else. This way when they try to pull you into a dream you can know the difference because they won't know how to correctly make your totem. That's why you can't let someone else hold it because then they would know how it feels.
if he was in a dream at the very end you realize that his wife was right then. that cobb shudve killed himself too. cuz that wud make his wife the smart one and cobb the crazy one.
I think that every time one level or layer was about to fall, the next layer would vibrate, shake or loud noise would appear. It meant that they were being pulled out of that level. So what if, in the final scene, the slight shaking of the top was the beginning of the collapse of this level, and they would awaken in another level. Remember how Cobb always went there by himself? Maybe this was one of his multi-evalator dreams? I love this movie cause I can totally understand it the other way.
this movie was great...i think with that spinning totem at the end, people would have to watch again for a better understanding. Its a smart move by Nolan
the only thing the totem does is let you know if you're in your own dream or someone elses. in cob and mals shared dreams it kept spinning, if it fell that would just mean that he wasn't in cob and mals dream world if even that.
the very first scene of the movie is cob washing up on the shore of limbo and meeting the elderly satai or whatever his name is that he rescues from limbo at the end. right after that he meets the young satai
this isn't one of those movies where you just have to decide
People forget that the totem had two indicators of reality. One was that it keeps spinning in the dream world, and the other (as is common with all totems) is that it's only the correct WEIGHT in the real world. Since Cobb didn't comment on it being the wrong weight, we have to assume that it felt right to him, meaning that it has to have been in the real world.
@Flophole Not necessarily. You have to remember what his totem was previously. It was his wifes. This means that he could still be in limbo with his wife, perhaps she isn't dead. Maybe he never knew what it really felt like, and sometimes it dropped, sometimes it didn't.
Another option is that he is still in limbo on the plane. Saiko kills himself to get back to reality, but Cobb stays behind and makes the projection of getting off the plane, going through security, and getting back to his kids.
@Flophole This idea that he is still in limbo is supported by the fact that Cobb may just be happy with seeing his children. He doesn't care if he is in reality anymore, he just wants to be happy. Maybe that is why he walked away from the totem and the audience doesn't get to see if it stays up or not. Cobb doesn't care what is really going on.
it may seem so, but still at the end the totem is losing balance, if it was a dream it would just keep spinning perfectly. So really, the intention was to fool around with us. and it worked.
Apparently after the credits you hear the totem fall over, i don't know for sure but if it did you have your answer... but otherwise i think he was in Limbo from the start of the movie.
I think seeing the totem wobble has to mean it's reality ... and I have read about the points that say otherwise but you it's much more clear cut and powerful that the top for the first time shows it's slowing down coupled with seeing his kids faces (which is argued that it has become his totem of toems basically). These are more direct pointers rather than subtle lines and minor triggers pointing to it being limbo or another dream.
After watching this movie i wuz pretty pissed...The movie itself is absolutely amazing..stunning, great effects, everything...but that ending is a big cliff hanger...The truth about the ending is?? We will never know!!!...Unless the director tells us what realy happened...Which will not happen...& if he does in lightin us...It wont be for a while...This is givivg the movie a huge buzz...& the director is genius for this...But for the movie...It is a must see...Truly Amazing..A real mind fucker!
Totally agree. I think Nolan's intention was not to give any definitive answer either way. There is no answer so there's nothing for Nolan to tell. It's whatever you want, a happy ending or a sad ending.
The brilliant part is that the whole movie Dicaprio's character is questioning his reality(which is why he has the totem), and Nolan is able to end the film by making the audience question is this reality or is it a dream?
@NEdelbach thats not true because during the end you see that its in fact reality because you see the totem losing balence and slowing down so it was relality
@NEdelbach It's all in the wedding ring. In reality he's never wearing it. The true secret of this movie is that Cobb never remembers anything before he wakes up when the plane is about to land because he's coming out of limbo. It's all a dream even though everyone else is joyed to have done the job, Cobb doesn't know where he is.
@NEdelbach Cobb's not dreaming in the end. The top is Nolan's last mindfuck for you, but nothing else. You see, when Cobb rescues Saito from Limbo, he wakes up on the plane, after everyone else. Looks around, Saito wakes up after him (because in Limbo, after Cobb reminded him he was sleeping, Saito reached for the gun, which tells me he shot Cobb and then himself to exit Limbo). Now, if he was still dreaming, he'd wake up in the middle of the way home, or straight at home.
If that was Nolan's intention he would of let the Top fall giving you a definitive answer. The fact that you think its real at the end isn't wrong. You're allowed to chose that. But you can't argue that it wasn't intentionally left open to interpretation.
"Now, if he was still dreaming, he'd wake up in the middle of the way home, or straight at home." Maybe. Unless he's in a coma from the first time he entered Limbo with Mal and never woke up. There are many interpretations
@EMPIREofPUPPETS I know it's Mal's top. Matters nothing, the top spins in Limbo which together with Cobb's words reminds Saito he's still dreaming. Saito looks messed up waking up on the plane, since he spent ages in Limbo. Cobb looks at his team, they look at him, Arthur even giggles as if "good, you made it out".
Nothing "magical" about a phone call from a powerful private corporation billonaire owner that can drop charges. Don't be naive.
@SmokiSounds Cobb looks more messed up when he wakes on...Saito's Plane. Saito tells the whole story in a flashback. Saito's plan for Fischer. Saito beats Cobb in the beginning Saito demands to be on the team, although he has no Dream talents Saito's plane and flight attendant administering the Sedatives Saito takes Cobb's Totem Saito is credited for getting them out of Limbo Saito makes the Miracle phone call, that allows Cobb to go home You fail.
ah lol this guy again. take a look at the credits, you can google it. taylor geare plays the older phillipa. she looks just like the phillipa you see at the end of the film. can't say for james because i can't find magnus nolan's pic (20 month old james) but jonathon geare looks like the ending james
If you see the movie again, pay attention to the voices of Cobbs kids at the start of the movie. It's easy to hear the older age of the voices on the phone call, when compared to the younger kids at the end.
empire, i do need one thing answered though. how do you explain the kids at the end of the film being the older versions of phillipa and james?
i accept that the film is meant to remain ambiguous, but you aren't explaining who you think actors are as the kids on the phone. we'd need names of those actors. taylor geare, who you can look up here on youtube, sounds like the girl on the phone. jonathon geare sounds like a 3 year old. it matches up. i don't get it man =\
yes, you've said that twice already. i'm just asking WHY you think that.
i think its the older set because we're explicitly given two different ages for the kids in the credits(3 and 5 for phillpa, 20 months and 3 for james) and the actor for older phillipa is in the ending. that and supposively the clothing IS slightly different, though i'd have to see the ending again to confirm that bit.
Can you explain when Cobb reaches Saito in the temple, why do they not go back to the previous dream level after the shooting, instead they come straight out of sleep on to the plane - and how come Cobb has retained his youth and Saito is old. Something to do with whose dream it is ?
@JonHoggy Because by the time they shoot themselves in Limbo, ALL PREVIOUS DREAMS HAVE ENDED, hence they wake straight up. Notice how deranged they look when they wake up - it's because, as it's mentioned in the film, waking up from Limbo can "melt your brains" if you didn't realize you were dreaming. They did, luckily.
Saito went to Limbo before Cobb and has spent decades there. By the time Cobb got there, Saito was "an old man, waiting to die alone....." etc etc.
@SmokiSounds It's not definitive unless you saw the top actually fall then it's not 100% at all. And why would his kids be in exactly the same position wearing the same clothes doing the exact same thing he remembers them doing? And the top isn't Leo's top to begin with, it's Mals. Think about it.
@NEdelbach Yes, it is very defintive. You can clearly see it faltering about to tip over, and even though you don't see it tip over, you know it's going to happen. Think about it, every other time he spins it in a dream it spins perfectly with no faltering, for example when he opens Mol's safe in limbo it is spinning perfectly, and it's been there for decades. I don't see how people don't undersatnd this.
Because the fact that it falters and doesn't stop spinning can signify he accepts the dream world as reality, not that it truly is reality. You can chose whatever you want. To say its definitive is 100% wrong. The top didn't fall. You just assuming it did. it's done intentionally. They could of filmed the top falling and it would be definitive. They had that option. get it??
@NEdelbach it spins perfectly even when they believe their dream is their reality. for example when it flashbacked into limbo when cobb took it out of her safe, it was spinning perfectly. the only way to truly believe you're dream is reality is to do what mol did, choose to forget about it.
The top falling wouldn't mean he isn't dreaming. It means he isn't in someone else's dream. That's how the totem is explained. You can chose whatever you want. To say its definitive is 100% wrong. And the top didn't fall. The fact that you assume it did doesn't make that a fact. A gravity shift in a dream can cause it to wobble and not fall. It's intentionally shown NOT falling by Nolan. that is a fact. Its not hard to understand.
@NEdelbach okay, well i just see the top falling to make a cool and ironic last scene, nothing more. but of course, that's just my opinion. i don't really have another argument, lol. iif he was still in a dream that would be 4 layers which they believe to be impossible, no?
@NEdelbach it's not even his totem anyways, it was his wife's, therefore whether it keeps spinning or falls over doesn't prove or disprove that he's dreaming
well now, this raises an interesting theory. the top DOES wobble at the end and
if that's the case it more than likely fell, meaning its not his dream.
However, whose mind did they go into on the plane, it wasn't Cobb's. If the top is wobbling, and Cobb isn't in his own dream, it would imply the ending is reality
He could technically be limbo still, but I don't believe he is. That's the real debate there. Can he still be in limbo in the mark's dream without being connected?
This means Saito the miracle man that can buy Airlines, and erase Murder charges with a single phone call, could have put Cobb into another Dream, and honor their arrangement.
@sapnyosentry I think that the airport scene + the last bit, is Miles dream. Cobb is the one who's being incepted. Miles: "Come back to reality, Dom. Please?"
Remember that when Cobb went looking for another architect? and what did the kids say? Cobb's son: "We build a house on a cliff!" how could the kids build a house? it was a dream but it was not Cobb's
the son could be talking about a sandcastle, it did show them playing with sand numerous times throughout the film. i'd have to see that part again, but i'm going to say that since the kid is 3, he could be talking about literally anything. kids are known for having vivid imaginations ;D
as for miles, he could be saying come back to reality simply because of cobb's "job". he wants him to come back to reality, to put away this life style of stealing from others' dreams
@mrwhatever213 I do like your emphasis on Miles as the "father archetype", as well as that pivotal scene where Cobb does refuse to go back to "reality" and instead enter the dream world to get back to his own "reality". Just like in the Matrix choosing the pills. Sort of.
@NEdelbach I dont think that the state of the top is significant in that, the dreamer controls weither they believe there in reality or not. The top then follows suit and does what your currently believing. This is demonstrated when his wife is in limbo and hides her to which isnt spining in her old house where he has to then go and spin it in order to trick her into believing him.
@NEdelbach I dont think that the state of the top is significant in that, the dreamer controls weither they believe there in reality or not. The top then follows suit and does what your currently believing. This is demonstrated when his wife is in limbo and she hides her spining top in her old house, where he then has to go and spin it in order to trick her into believing him.
@NEdelbach Well, I agree that they didn't show it to make you and everyone in the theatre go "AAWWWWWWW" at the end. I know that happened in the theatre I was in. However, it's been pointed out that the top isn't Cobb's totem, his wedding ring is. Whenever he is in a dream he is wearing it, and when he isn't he isn't wearing it. He's not wearing his ring at the end of the film, hence it's reality.
Yes, but the fact that Michael Caine, a person very close to Nolan, came out and stated the top DID fall and it was a dream, does make it pretty definitive, and yup, a fact. It's up to you whether you want to accept that fact or not, but that's the fact.
The top was hardly the only indicator that he was indeed in reality at the end. Maybe some of you should consider another viewing...
@Soraphyll It's not definitive unless you saw the top actually fall then it's not 100% at all. And why would his kids be in exactly the same position wearing the same clothes doing the exact same thing he remembers them doing? And the top isn't Leo's top to begin with, it's Mals. Think about it.
@Soraphyll you are like the dumbest person in the fucking planet... the toppling of the totem is a cinematographic effect, if it had ended with it just spinning flawlessly it would have been inferred that it wouldn't fall... so if he wanted to create uncertainty he had to make it topple.. by the way HE never spins it in the dream without it falling.. thats mAl... so the imbecile who made this video is correct even if it fell it doesn't mean he's awake
@Scratch912 don't insult me when you don't know what you're talking about please. Yes, it does spin in the dream multiple times without falling. The best example is when Mol locks it up and he goes to steal it. It was there for decades without even wobbling. What people can conclude from it falling at the end is up to them, but we know for a FACT that it topples at the end of the movie. He is in the same state when he was in the hotel room earlier in the movie and we saw it fall.
@Soraphyll it's not that people don't understand this, just that you are simple minded. And there is nothing wrong with that.
I say watch the movie again, then when you have. WATCH THE VERY FIRST SCENE. Cobb is on a shore... and falls a sleep. Cobb is desperatly lost in limbo, even as he falls a sleep in that first scene.
@Soraphyll I really doubt the whole mystery of whether the totem falls or not will be based on comparing it spin on other parts in the movie. In my opinion i think that Nolan created no ending for the reason of what we are doing now, debating.
@Soraphyll he was able to controll the limbo at the end when he figered out he was in it, then made his own world i guess. where he was on the plane and every thing was fine, the mission was a win and saw his children. the wobbleing of the totem, could have been turblance in the place? or plane landing, what ever. but hey i dont care its still a great movie . just a nother idea ^^
@Soraphyll Yeah, you can see a few times where it wobbles, plus you can apparently hear it falling over the table after it cuts to black. Furthermore, one of the actors said, with regards to the end scene, "use your ears, not your eyes". But, hey, people ignore evidence and seem to believe in what they want to...
@delta2ish yer a real idiot dude. you didnt pay attention to any of the movie obviously, 1.) the kids were still wearing the same clothes, not good enough holmes? did you happen to notice that he never got kicked from his dream? he died drowing in that vehicle..and was stuck in his own limbo forever, your supposed to "think" i know..its tough for you.
@norjak71 /watch?v=0gruu-ll3gc This video will prove you wrong. And to quickly take one of the reasons from the video *aham* The kids were older and there were slight differences with there outfits, not good enough holmes?
Nothing is for certain with this film, that's for certain.
IsaacDeanMusic 2 months ago
It's his freaking wedding ring
deltadak 4 months ago
ha ha ha ha "GIVE ME A FUCKING ANSWER!!!"
sponkus69 6 months ago
hahahahahahahaha xD
CaptainSkaj 7 months ago
i laughed
prsguitarsr4me 8 months ago
I read the best answer a while ago on youtube. Don't remember where, though.
Basically - it doesn't matter anymore. He sees his children and he abandons the spinning top because it doesn't matter anymore. He just wants to be with his children and move on with his life. Whether he's still dreaming or awake is no longer relevant.
WestBuiltAMountain 8 months ago
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Watch a Pre-January 8th copy of Inception. Listen closely when the actors say imagine, reality, safe, and envelope, or point pistols. You'll hear the words, Loughner, offin' her, part of the word Giffords, and much more. Some even say they hear, do it.
jamestargetedindiv 11 months ago
OMG NONE OF YOU WAITED TILL AFTER THE CREDITS?!
obadets3 11 months ago
@obadets3 i didn't hear anything at the end of the credits
Cardzer 10 months ago 6
despite the f-bomb i can't help but laugh because of how surprising and unexpected it was xD but yeah that pretty much just sums all the debate xD
amichan500 11 months ago
Michael Caine recently commented that the end of Inception was, in fact, reality. He said you could tell by the presence of his character, who never enters the dreams.
sodisarmingdarling 1 year ago
Seriously overrated film... Good cinematography, nice effects, good acting, but the story is nothing special. The whole is he dreaming at the end doesn't add much.
JolandaCeplak 1 year ago
@JolandaCeplak It adds everything.
K0WNAGE 11 months ago
@JolandaCeplak I love hopw you try to undermine this fantastic script and yet you yourself just proved that you dont understand the ending. So how is anyone supposed to take you seriously? First step in forming an argument: ELIMINATE ALL BIAS!
regulator619 9 months ago
the ending was sooo obviuos!
most overrated movie ever.
dream in a dream in a dream in a dream , some james bond scenes and... the stolen from shutter island ending
sigimaster14 1 year ago
Seriously people, the top only means that he isn't in someone else's dream. He could be dreaming for all we know. Heck, he could be in a dream created by an architect (like that girl, i forgot her name, but she was a dream architect). Then he would still be in his own dream, but it would've been created to fully suit him and his needs. Really, it's only REAL if you make it real. We all could be in a 'dream' ourselves right now, but not know it because we think it is real. Ever seen the Matrix?
jo2305 1 year ago
@jo2305
technically he could be in ariadne's dream, as he told her the specific details of the totem, which they stated you are not to do ever
deathscytheduo2 1 year ago
@jo2305 Go kill yourself. Your looking too much into it.
K0WNAGE 11 months ago
Hahhahahaha!
Totally expected something like that, but still funny!
Minder666 1 year ago
brilliant.
johnnyamok 1 year ago
THE TOP DOESN'T MATTER!
Cobb literally MADE the top significant when he was in limbo with Mal. She didn't tell him if it should spin forever, he just spun it and planted the idea. NOTICE Cobb only spins the top after he's recently seen Mal in a dream.
At the end, he looks away from the top, once again prove it isn't significant, as he believes he is in reality.
davisstdude 1 year ago
@davisstdude You chat some shit.
K0WNAGE 11 months ago
@K0WNAGE Look at my homemade website and you can read some of it. Unless you don't like the truth.
davisstdude 11 months ago
@davisstdude She has forgotten what is reality so he goes into her mind and finds the top which is not spinning and spins it. And because the world they are in isn't reality it spins forever which plants the idea that the world she is in isn't real. And this is how he knows inception is possible, but you have to 'plant the simplest form of the idea'. I have no idea what you're talking about, he spins the top after every dream to test if he is in reality.
K0WNAGE 11 months ago
@K0WNAGE Watch again closely. The top is used consistently to prove Mal is dead (used every time he sees her in a dream), and the wedding ring represents her existence in his mind. The children's faces are Cobb's true totem for "reality".
davisstdude 11 months ago
@davisstdude Why would they need to prove she's dead we are told she is dead, he uses the top after every dream not just the ones where he sees his wife. And there isn't even a mention of a wedding ring in the film. I don't know what your smoking, how are the children a totem to prove he's not dreaming when the cliff hanger ending is saying, He could still be dreaming. I think you need to go watch it again :s
K0WNAGE 11 months ago
@K0WNAGE In order to understand the movie to the full extent you need to think on different levels. If you actually watched closely, you might catch, hang on, shocker... Mal is like an infection in Cobb's subconscious, just because we are told she is dead obviously does not erase her from his memory.
As per the children, they are the only thing Cobb truly recognizes as reality, their faces. In fact, he refuses to look at them in limbo (near the end of the movie).
davisstdude 11 months ago
@davisstdude The children are actually played by different actors at the end of the film than the rest of it :)
K0WNAGE 11 months ago
@K0WNAGE That is a point, however, there are various motivations for casting changes. I doubt Nolan wanted us to base our interpretation of the movie based on the credits.
davisstdude 11 months ago
michael caine said it was real bc he made it real. he wasnt there before and then he was at the end its real
NightmareSein 1 year ago
so here is what I deciphered from watching Inception: If you notice when Cobb is in the dream he is wearing his wedding ring. And all the times he is in realtiy he is not wearing the ring. And if anyone was still confused about what happened in the end, well he is back in reality because at the airport, he did not have his wedding ring on. Anyone agree or disagree?
nickcarterroxs 1 year ago
yeah he dreamed his dream was dreaming... blah blah blah gibberish
fleamarket3000 1 year ago
Nolan decided to leave it up to the audience. Heck, none of us would be here if the totem had wobbled and not fell... i bet he has no definitive answer himself... ???
TheBeBeCaCa 1 year ago
What everybody seems to forget is that the top is Mal's totem, not Leos. Leo's totem is his wedding ring. If you follow the entire movie you will see that the wedding ring only appears on his hand in the dream world. In the last scene of the movie there is no ring on his finger, leading us to conclude that he is in reality and not stuck in limbo.
akcoldbliss 1 year ago
Besides the fact that Nolan perhaps wanted the audience to think and decide for themselves, or that Cobb didn't care if things were real or not after he got back to his kids...
1. Cobb is not wearing a ring in "reality", but does during the dreams, because his dreams contain his memories of being married.
2. Cobb has to explain certain concepts to Ariadne; if everything was a dream, then she would already know the concepts, being in his subconscious.
Psychonaut1992 1 year ago
It's amazing how many people are saying that they "know" the answer and that everyone else are stupid because they couldn't see that "It's a dream/it isn't a dream/is deliberately ambiguous". I guess you all can't be right.
Nolan has performed Inception on his audience, to make them question what they've just been shown. With that one little seed, the idea that it might be a dream takes hold, just like Cobb said at the start.
Knockout movie in my opinion, deserves all the praise it's getting.
jmckendry84 1 year ago
chris nolan said Cobb didnt care abt whether or not the totem stopped spinning or kept going...
ArmourExe 1 year ago
just watch this :
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shahgee911 1 year ago
SPOILER ALERT!
the ending is suppose to mean this and this only:
Cob spins the totem to see if he is in reality but then sees his kids face, HE then moves away from the totem to see his kids. This means that he decides in his mind that he doesnt care if this is reality or a dream , he is happy that he has finally with his kids (the whole point he did inception) and he doesnt care if he is dreaming ... he does not want to know!
hen555 1 year ago
You all do realize that Michael Caine came out and stated that the top falls over and that the ending was NOT a dream.
It's not ambiguous, it's that he didn't NEED to see the top topple in order to know it wasn't a dream-- There were other signs already, the children's faces actually being visible, for one. The ring on his finger not being there (notice all scenes taking place in reality he does NOT have a ring on his finger. In the dream world he does. In the ending, he does not).
BrentonSteinhilber 1 year ago
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shahgee911 1 year ago
i cant believe people think there is an answer. Inception's ending is purposely ambiguous.
MikSevilla 1 year ago
@MikSevilla
There absolutely is an answer. See my last comment. The ending is only that way because the director didn't feel the need to spoon feed us the ending. He figured we'd be smart enough to figure it out on our own. Apparently not.
So surprised that even after they've come out and said it wasn't a dream at the end, the top falls, people still think there's no actual answer. Sorry, but this is one of those situations that is black and white.
BrentonSteinhilber 1 year ago
@BrentonSteinhilber
THats what i thought at first. both times i saw it i noticed the totem was losing circular motion. but then i changed me mind about it.
anyway, you are probably right. I mean thats what i want to believe.
MikSevilla 1 year ago
@BrentonSteinhilber Of course the top falls, but Cobb is still dreaming. There are two separate interpretations. There's your interpretation which is take the film at face value which is Cobb's view. Or you take Mal's view in that they never actually left limbo when the train "kicked" them. If you believe Mal's view then Cobb has deluded himself into think the dream world is reality ergo the top will behave however he expects it to, even if he IS dreaming.
vicavox 1 year ago
lol, funny how everyone desperately wants an answer, but there isn't one.
Trinivalts 1 year ago
Botton line is this.
The whole movie 'may' have been a dream.
Any writer will tell you that ending a story with 'it was all a dream' is fucking retarded. The sort of stuff handed back to you with an 'E' at the age of 8. I can honestly vouch for that.
Also, if a movie needs to stop every 20 mins or so to explain a plot it's not a good sign. It's called 'making shit up as you go along'. They run out of ideas and turn it into a boring slow mo matrix style shoot out.
Shit movie.
Furiouswindbottom 1 year ago
i really wonder now if he really did wake up... the totum wasnt really his to begin with, & he said at the start that u never let anyone touch ur totum... so wot was his totum before he got that one from his wife?
mnomic 1 year ago 10
@mnomic His wedding ring, he wears it in his dreams but in reality he has no ring. I have the movie and checked.
seij555 1 year ago
@mnomic his ring.
ThatGuyMelak 1 year ago
@mnomic someone cannot use the same totum as another has used. Therefore, the spinning top isnt his totum, its his wifes!! HIS IS HIS WEDDING RING. In his dream, he is married to his wife, therefore, he wears his wedding ring. In reality, he is not married her, she is dead, so he does not wear the ring. In the end, he is not wearing his ring, therefore its REALITY. WOOPPP!
singer10157 11 months ago
@singer10157 youre a retard, a totem has to do something! and you can use someone elses if they're DEAD!
obadets3 11 months ago
@mnomic his wedding ring. He is only found to be wearing it when he's dreaming and in flashbacks.
Cheeseparing 10 months ago
@mnomic It's explained clearly in the film that you never let someone touch your totem because then they'll know what's unique about it (ie. they'll be able to trick you into thinking you're awake).
The only people who knew what Mal's totem's unique thing was (spinning forever in a dream), were Mal and Cobb. And Mal's dead, so Cobb can use her totem all he wants.
Some people missed that part of the film, judging by some of the other comments replying to yours :P
JamieHowitt 9 months ago
@mnomic i dont wanna ruin it for you but ill give you a hint. Remember the fact that Cobb can't dream naturally anymore. Also you find out that he lives off his memories. What was the main difference between his memories and his present reality? after you figure that out. Look of the object that represents a clear difference between the two. THAT, my friend, is his totem and the answer to this film.
regulator619 8 months ago
@mnomic it doesnt matter if it was hers, because she's dead. no one alive knows the feel of/ the weight of the spinning top besides him. and it doesn't matter if he woke up or not, chris nolan didn't want you to care about that. the significance of the ending is that he ignored the totum, and went to his kids. that's all he wanted. (btw if you really want an answer, he was awake, because he didn't have his wedding ring on. throughout the film cobb only wears it in dreams)
cr33pyGamer 7 months ago
@mnomic his totum is his ring, his wife's totum is a distraction
19Wylds95 5 months ago
@mnomic Its his wedding ring. Notice how he has it on in the dream world.
pacotaco1246 3 months ago
lol
BestPete8 1 year ago
Cobb woke up in the plane after he got Saito back. Wanna how i found out??
'Cause his father in law never appear in any of their dreams only in reality.
Michael Caine even said it himself.
Nhia89 1 year ago
@Nhia89 what if that reality you speak of is a dream to begin with.
rascalz819 1 year ago
Maybe he never had a wife.
starcrafter13terran 1 year ago
@starcrafter13terran I have to say that's the first time I've heard anyone suggest that!
hazahaxa 1 year ago
@MauCho182 But still if he was dreaming, his subconscious could have made them older and made the other changes as well. He may be in a dream. It is left for interpretation for a reason. That's the beauty of Nolan's creation (maybe even he doesn't really know, hasn't maybe event thought of it). It is just like waking up from a dream right before it ends. Incredible movie
mgcristi 1 year ago
Here's your answer: He awakes because all we have seen is his dream. We are taken into that dream. Dreams usually end when right as we reach something unbearably conclusive, before we can get the answer we have journeyed for, when we get to the best part, him seeing his children's faces.
Xyberfaust 1 year ago
He took that "leap of faith". Thats all there is to it.
jk94111 1 year ago
Ok... He's dreaming. first Look At The Kids That Keep Showing up Through The Movie, They Wear The Same Clothes, And Are Doing The Same Thing ( Playing In Dirt, Kid Throws Dirt, Blah Blah Blah) Even Throughout The End Because That's The Last Thing He Seen Them Doing, Yes, look And The Ending Scene With kids Playing In The Back Yard, Then Remember When He talks about His Kids (Showing Them In The Same Spot doing The Same Thing... Throughout The Movie.) Obvious... He He Got Stuck In Limbo Again...
DownHavenFilms 1 year ago
horrible ending
sirutis 1 year ago
the end: the top spun forever, but it also wobbled and fell: paradox
0180917 1 year ago
Guys guys guys...what was the key theme of the film? How an idea is like a parasite, plant one little seed and watch it grow and grow and grow. That's what the ending was, planting the smallest seed of the idea he was still dreaming in our heads and boy...look how much it's grown through discussion. All you that say 'oh he obviously is in reality end of' or vice versa...I believe there is no right or wrong answer, it's open to interpret as we see fit.
mrbrightside239 1 year ago
If he was dreaming, he wouldn't have seen his kids' faces.
lmaIia 1 year ago
Hahaha! This video is hilarious.
But yeah he definitely was in reality.
bubbles0tuti 1 year ago
He was in reality. Period. His kids were wearing different outfits than they did in his dreams. They were similar, which Nolan undoubtedly did intentionally to create debate. He also wasn't wearing his wedding ring, which he always wore in dreams but never in reality. Plus, the top made noises near the end which it never made during dreams. But god, this is a funny video.
Insanekid95 1 year ago
@Insanekid95 I didn't notice the different outfits. That's very interesting.
ShakeAndBakeGuy 1 year ago
cobb is not dreaming! if that was just a dream he would propably wake up somewhere else but he is in the plane and everyone is waking up..they look at him meaningfuly like they tell him " good job" during the film he said that he tries to call he's children but they run away from him...at the end they turn around and look at him..also the spinning thing starts to slow down which means it will eventually stop spinning! in my opinion the ending is clear but nolan wanted to make us question it..
anipotani 1 year ago
That was sooo funny!
conrad152 1 year ago
I think the ending was left the way it was because they wanted people to talk about it. I really doubt that the writers wanted people to leave with a definitive answer. The more people get into a movie and talk about it the more people will want to see it. As far as the story goes, i would much rather it be open to interpretation.
OBEYtheMUSIKK 1 year ago
It doesn't matter if the it totem was Mal's because she is dead. The only point of a totem is so that you can know when your in a dream created by someone else. This way when they try to pull you into a dream you can know the difference because they won't know how to correctly make your totem. That's why you can't let someone else hold it because then they would know how it feels.
uslittlefairy 1 year ago
The problem with it in your own dreams is you can spin it endlessly or stop it. That's why the totem is useless in the end.
uslittlefairy 1 year ago
I love nolan films. They always make you think. Memento is by far my favorite.
nhenry87 1 year ago
if he was in a dream at the very end you realize that his wife was right then. that cobb shudve killed himself too. cuz that wud make his wife the smart one and cobb the crazy one.
raisebarhere 1 year ago
I think that every time one level or layer was about to fall, the next layer would vibrate, shake or loud noise would appear. It meant that they were being pulled out of that level. So what if, in the final scene, the slight shaking of the top was the beginning of the collapse of this level, and they would awaken in another level. Remember how Cobb always went there by himself? Maybe this was one of his multi-evalator dreams? I love this movie cause I can totally understand it the other way.
gunslingero815 1 year ago
Cobb's not dreaming, in dreams, he has his wedding band on. At the end, he doesn't.
SwimFellow 1 year ago
All this debate makes me want a sequel SO DAMN MUCH.
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1980eastman 1 year ago
this movie was great...i think with that spinning totem at the end, people would have to watch again for a better understanding. Its a smart move by Nolan
odez982 1 year ago
the only thing the totem does is let you know if you're in your own dream or someone elses. in cob and mals shared dreams it kept spinning, if it fell that would just mean that he wasn't in cob and mals dream world if even that.
the very first scene of the movie is cob washing up on the shore of limbo and meeting the elderly satai or whatever his name is that he rescues from limbo at the end. right after that he meets the young satai
this isn't one of those movies where you just have to decide
d3p3ch3mod3 1 year ago
The movie made me feel like Nolan just skimmed over a Rene Decate philosophy book. You'd think he'd never have seen the Matrix before.
pliskin100 1 year ago
People forget that the totem had two indicators of reality. One was that it keeps spinning in the dream world, and the other (as is common with all totems) is that it's only the correct WEIGHT in the real world. Since Cobb didn't comment on it being the wrong weight, we have to assume that it felt right to him, meaning that it has to have been in the real world.
Flophole 1 year ago
@Flophole Not necessarily. You have to remember what his totem was previously. It was his wifes. This means that he could still be in limbo with his wife, perhaps she isn't dead. Maybe he never knew what it really felt like, and sometimes it dropped, sometimes it didn't.
Another option is that he is still in limbo on the plane. Saiko kills himself to get back to reality, but Cobb stays behind and makes the projection of getting off the plane, going through security, and getting back to his kids.
JeremyMcElhone 1 year ago
@Flophole This idea that he is still in limbo is supported by the fact that Cobb may just be happy with seeing his children. He doesn't care if he is in reality anymore, he just wants to be happy. Maybe that is why he walked away from the totem and the audience doesn't get to see if it stays up or not. Cobb doesn't care what is really going on.
JeremyMcElhone 1 year ago
it may seem so, but still at the end the totem is losing balance, if it was a dream it would just keep spinning perfectly. So really, the intention was to fool around with us. and it worked.
SilentHillmaniac 1 year ago
Apparently after the credits you hear the totem fall over, i don't know for sure but if it did you have your answer... but otherwise i think he was in Limbo from the start of the movie.
outPhazed 1 year ago
@outPhazed
yeah that's a rumor. I think MTV.com started it. Its not true. You don't hear anything.
NEdelbach 1 year ago 10
@NEdelbach
ken watanabe confirmed it
jameslelovic 1 year ago
@outPhazed no you don't I've stayed during the whole credit sequence the 3 times I went to see this movie, there is no such a thing.
kurono1999 1 year ago
@outPhazed nah..........he was back into reality at the end of the movie..........im pretty sure
BOER1717 1 year ago
LOL
dtanktdtank 1 year ago
Maybe he was in 'Limbo' all the time??
MeLikeGeiter 1 year ago
I think seeing the totem wobble has to mean it's reality ... and I have read about the points that say otherwise but you it's much more clear cut and powerful that the top for the first time shows it's slowing down coupled with seeing his kids faces (which is argued that it has become his totem of toems basically). These are more direct pointers rather than subtle lines and minor triggers pointing to it being limbo or another dream.
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Debby82933 1 year ago
His comment is basically the same as mine...
TheOpinionatedPerson 1 year ago
After watching this movie i wuz pretty pissed...The movie itself is absolutely amazing..stunning, great effects, everything...but that ending is a big cliff hanger...The truth about the ending is?? We will never know!!!...Unless the director tells us what realy happened...Which will not happen...& if he does in lightin us...It wont be for a while...This is givivg the movie a huge buzz...& the director is genius for this...But for the movie...It is a must see...Truly Amazing..A real mind fucker!
ForkZupJuggalo 1 year ago
@ForkZupJuggalo
Totally agree. I think Nolan's intention was not to give any definitive answer either way. There is no answer so there's nothing for Nolan to tell. It's whatever you want, a happy ending or a sad ending.
The brilliant part is that the whole movie Dicaprio's character is questioning his reality(which is why he has the totem), and Nolan is able to end the film by making the audience question is this reality or is it a dream?
NEdelbach 1 year ago
@NEdelbach thats not true because during the end you see that its in fact reality because you see the totem losing balence and slowing down so it was relality
delta2ish 1 year ago
@delta2ish
That's maybe how you see it. The film itself doesn't give a clear answer if it is reality or not. The top faltering isn't definitive of anything.
NEdelbach 1 year ago
@NEdelbach It's all in the wedding ring. In reality he's never wearing it. The true secret of this movie is that Cobb never remembers anything before he wakes up when the plane is about to land because he's coming out of limbo. It's all a dream even though everyone else is joyed to have done the job, Cobb doesn't know where he is.
Herv3 1 year ago
@NEdelbach Cobb's not dreaming in the end. The top is Nolan's last mindfuck for you, but nothing else. You see, when Cobb rescues Saito from Limbo, he wakes up on the plane, after everyone else. Looks around, Saito wakes up after him (because in Limbo, after Cobb reminded him he was sleeping, Saito reached for the gun, which tells me he shot Cobb and then himself to exit Limbo). Now, if he was still dreaming, he'd wake up in the middle of the way home, or straight at home.
SmokiSounds 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds
If that was Nolan's intention he would of let the Top fall giving you a definitive answer. The fact that you think its real at the end isn't wrong. You're allowed to chose that. But you can't argue that it wasn't intentionally left open to interpretation.
"Now, if he was still dreaming, he'd wake up in the middle of the way home, or straight at home." Maybe. Unless he's in a coma from the first time he entered Limbo with Mal and never woke up. There are many interpretations
NEdelbach 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds
Cobb is dreaming, it's Mal's top to begin with, and Saito takes it in Limbo.
The kids are older in the phone call, and younger again in Dreams, and at the End.
Inception is that a magical phone call from Saito, can free Cobb from the Murder charges he faces in his wife's death.
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
@EMPIREofPUPPETS I know it's Mal's top. Matters nothing, the top spins in Limbo which together with Cobb's words reminds Saito he's still dreaming. Saito looks messed up waking up on the plane, since he spent ages in Limbo. Cobb looks at his team, they look at him, Arthur even giggles as if "good, you made it out".
Nothing "magical" about a phone call from a powerful private corporation billonaire owner that can drop charges. Don't be naive.
Kids are older, played by older actors. Fail.
SmokiSounds 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds
Cobb goes to Limbo twice, but a gunshot we never see fired by Saito, instantly gets them out?
Whats the point of having Dream and Reality, if reality can be bent in unrealistic ways?
Nolan doesn't play like that.
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds
It is a Magical Phone Call. Japanese Businessmen can't clear an American who's an International Fugitive, of Murder charges, with a simple phone call.
Not in the real world.
Saito also make Cobb's neighbors forget Cobb was wanted for Killing his wife?
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds
The kids are only older in the phone call at the beginning of the film, then they magically turn young again at the end, and in all the dreams.
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
@EMPIREofPUPPETS
ah lol this guy again. take a look at the credits, you can google it. taylor geare plays the older phillipa. she looks just like the phillipa you see at the end of the film. can't say for james because i can't find magnus nolan's pic (20 month old james) but jonathon geare looks like the ending james
sapnyosentry 1 year ago
@sapnyosentry
If you see the movie again, pay attention to the voices of Cobbs kids at the start of the movie. It's easy to hear the older age of the voices on the phone call, when compared to the younger kids at the end.
Meaning the end is dream, just the way it is.
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
@EMPIREofPUPPETS
empire, i do need one thing answered though. how do you explain the kids at the end of the film being the older versions of phillipa and james?
i accept that the film is meant to remain ambiguous, but you aren't explaining who you think actors are as the kids on the phone. we'd need names of those actors. taylor geare, who you can look up here on youtube, sounds like the girl on the phone. jonathon geare sounds like a 3 year old. it matches up. i don't get it man =\
sapnyosentry 1 year ago
@sapnyosentry
They aren't.
The older version of the kids, are only on the phone call near the beginning of the film.
Dream kids, and Dream kids at the end, are all the younger set.
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
@EMPIREofPUPPETS
yes, you've said that twice already. i'm just asking WHY you think that.
i think its the older set because we're explicitly given two different ages for the kids in the credits(3 and 5 for phillpa, 20 months and 3 for james) and the actor for older phillipa is in the ending. that and supposively the clothing IS slightly different, though i'd have to see the ending again to confirm that bit.
sapnyosentry 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds
Can you explain when Cobb reaches Saito in the temple, why do they not go back to the previous dream level after the shooting, instead they come straight out of sleep on to the plane - and how come Cobb has retained his youth and Saito is old. Something to do with whose dream it is ?
JonHoggy 1 year ago
@JonHoggy Because by the time they shoot themselves in Limbo, ALL PREVIOUS DREAMS HAVE ENDED, hence they wake straight up. Notice how deranged they look when they wake up - it's because, as it's mentioned in the film, waking up from Limbo can "melt your brains" if you didn't realize you were dreaming. They did, luckily.
Saito went to Limbo before Cobb and has spent decades there. By the time Cobb got there, Saito was "an old man, waiting to die alone....." etc etc.
SmokiSounds 1 year ago
@SmokiSounds It's not definitive unless you saw the top actually fall then it's not 100% at all. And why would his kids be in exactly the same position wearing the same clothes doing the exact same thing he remembers them doing? And the top isn't Leo's top to begin with, it's Mals. Think about it.
samyooljackson 1 year ago
@NEdelbach Yes, it is very defintive. You can clearly see it faltering about to tip over, and even though you don't see it tip over, you know it's going to happen. Think about it, every other time he spins it in a dream it spins perfectly with no faltering, for example when he opens Mol's safe in limbo it is spinning perfectly, and it's been there for decades. I don't see how people don't undersatnd this.
Soraphyll 1 year ago 15
@Soraphyll
Because the fact that it falters and doesn't stop spinning can signify he accepts the dream world as reality, not that it truly is reality. You can chose whatever you want. To say its definitive is 100% wrong. The top didn't fall. You just assuming it did. it's done intentionally. They could of filmed the top falling and it would be definitive. They had that option. get it??
NEdelbach 1 year ago
@NEdelbach it spins perfectly even when they believe their dream is their reality. for example when it flashbacked into limbo when cobb took it out of her safe, it was spinning perfectly. the only way to truly believe you're dream is reality is to do what mol did, choose to forget about it.
Soraphyll 1 year ago
@Soraphyll
The top falling wouldn't mean he isn't dreaming. It means he isn't in someone else's dream. That's how the totem is explained. You can chose whatever you want. To say its definitive is 100% wrong. And the top didn't fall. The fact that you assume it did doesn't make that a fact. A gravity shift in a dream can cause it to wobble and not fall. It's intentionally shown NOT falling by Nolan. that is a fact. Its not hard to understand.
NEdelbach 1 year ago 19
@NEdelbach okay, well i just see the top falling to make a cool and ironic last scene, nothing more. but of course, that's just my opinion. i don't really have another argument, lol. iif he was still in a dream that would be 4 layers which they believe to be impossible, no?
Soraphyll 1 year ago
@NEdelbach it's not even his totem anyways, it was his wife's, therefore whether it keeps spinning or falls over doesn't prove or disprove that he's dreaming
epasurr 1 year ago
@epasurr Bingo!!! we have a winner! It's funny that people are so hung up on the spinning totem...
Has everyone forgotten, that the totem has NO value, because it is Mals?
Think about that.
mrwhatever213 1 year ago
@NEdelbach
well now, this raises an interesting theory. the top DOES wobble at the end and
if that's the case it more than likely fell, meaning its not his dream.
However, whose mind did they go into on the plane, it wasn't Cobb's. If the top is wobbling, and Cobb isn't in his own dream, it would imply the ending is reality
He could technically be limbo still, but I don't believe he is. That's the real debate there. Can he still be in limbo in the mark's dream without being connected?
sapnyosentry 1 year ago
@sapnyosentry
It was Mal's top, and Saito took it in Limbo.
This means Saito the miracle man that can buy Airlines, and erase Murder charges with a single phone call, could have put Cobb into another Dream, and honor their arrangement.
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
@EMPIREofPUPPETS
that makes no sense....
you'd have to explain again, i think you muddled up a couple of your own theories together.
sapnyosentry 1 year ago
@sapnyosentry
It makes perfect sense, it's just not a simple, happy, little Hollywood ending.
Cobb never gets out of the Dream, and he doesn't even care. If you remember he doesn't bother to check the top after he sees his kids.
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
@EMPIREofPUPPETS
-_-
you're not going to explain because i have some valid points, right? or rather, you can't counter what i'm saying.
thank you for letting me know.
sapnyosentry 1 year ago
@sapnyosentry
Some people can't handle the ending, you appear to be one of them.
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
@sapnyosentry
Need that positive idea don't ya?
EMPIREofPUPPETS 1 year ago
@EMPIREofPUPPETS
maybe.yes.no.
pick and choose which one of these answers you like
sapnyosentry 1 year ago
@sapnyosentry I think that the airport scene + the last bit, is Miles dream. Cobb is the one who's being incepted. Miles: "Come back to reality, Dom. Please?"
Remember that when Cobb went looking for another architect? and what did the kids say? Cobb's son: "We build a house on a cliff!" how could the kids build a house? it was a dream but it was not Cobb's
mrwhatever213 1 year ago
@mrwhatever213
the son could be talking about a sandcastle, it did show them playing with sand numerous times throughout the film. i'd have to see that part again, but i'm going to say that since the kid is 3, he could be talking about literally anything. kids are known for having vivid imaginations ;D
as for miles, he could be saying come back to reality simply because of cobb's "job". he wants him to come back to reality, to put away this life style of stealing from others' dreams
sapnyosentry 1 year ago
@mrwhatever213 I do like your emphasis on Miles as the "father archetype", as well as that pivotal scene where Cobb does refuse to go back to "reality" and instead enter the dream world to get back to his own "reality". Just like in the Matrix choosing the pills. Sort of.
davisstdude 11 months ago
@NEdelbach I dont think that the state of the top is significant in that, the dreamer controls weither they believe there in reality or not. The top then follows suit and does what your currently believing. This is demonstrated when his wife is in limbo and hides her to which isnt spining in her old house where he has to then go and spin it in order to trick her into believing him.
viperr000007 1 year ago
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@NEdelbach I dont think that the state of the top is significant in that, the dreamer controls weither they believe there in reality or not. The top then follows suit and does what your currently believing. This is demonstrated when his wife is in limbo and she hides her spining top in her old house, where he then has to go and spin it in order to trick her into believing him.
viperr000007 1 year ago
@NEdelbach Well, I agree that they didn't show it to make you and everyone in the theatre go "AAWWWWWWW" at the end. I know that happened in the theatre I was in. However, it's been pointed out that the top isn't Cobb's totem, his wedding ring is. Whenever he is in a dream he is wearing it, and when he isn't he isn't wearing it. He's not wearing his ring at the end of the film, hence it's reality.
kabukibear 1 year ago
@NEdelbach
Yes, but the fact that Michael Caine, a person very close to Nolan, came out and stated the top DID fall and it was a dream, does make it pretty definitive, and yup, a fact. It's up to you whether you want to accept that fact or not, but that's the fact.
The top was hardly the only indicator that he was indeed in reality at the end. Maybe some of you should consider another viewing...
BrentonSteinhilber 1 year ago
@Soraphyll there was a crack on the wooden table ;]
samlee511270 1 year ago
@Soraphyll It's not definitive unless you saw the top actually fall then it's not 100% at all. And why would his kids be in exactly the same position wearing the same clothes doing the exact same thing he remembers them doing? And the top isn't Leo's top to begin with, it's Mals. Think about it.
samyooljackson 1 year ago
@Soraphyll Thatz what i said to my friends
Gearz1412 1 year ago
@Soraphyll you are like the dumbest person in the fucking planet... the toppling of the totem is a cinematographic effect, if it had ended with it just spinning flawlessly it would have been inferred that it wouldn't fall... so if he wanted to create uncertainty he had to make it topple.. by the way HE never spins it in the dream without it falling.. thats mAl... so the imbecile who made this video is correct even if it fell it doesn't mean he's awake
Scratch912 1 year ago
@Scratch912 don't insult me when you don't know what you're talking about please. Yes, it does spin in the dream multiple times without falling. The best example is when Mol locks it up and he goes to steal it. It was there for decades without even wobbling. What people can conclude from it falling at the end is up to them, but we know for a FACT that it topples at the end of the movie. He is in the same state when he was in the hotel room earlier in the movie and we saw it fall.
Soraphyll 1 year ago
@Soraphyll that is your interpretation.
I do agree that it slightly faltered, but you cannot say "it is very definitive", the whole point is that it's open to interpretation.
LucasWayFilms 1 year ago
@LucasWayFilms who said it's open to interpretation?
Soraphyll 1 year ago
@Soraphyll it's not that people don't understand this, just that you are simple minded. And there is nothing wrong with that.
I say watch the movie again, then when you have. WATCH THE VERY FIRST SCENE. Cobb is on a shore... and falls a sleep. Cobb is desperatly lost in limbo, even as he falls a sleep in that first scene.
Anyways that's just my opinion.
- Peace and love to all
rascalz819 1 year ago
@rascalz819 I've seen the movie seven times ;) What is the significance of the first scene?
Soraphyll 1 year ago
@Soraphyll I really doubt the whole mystery of whether the totem falls or not will be based on comparing it spin on other parts in the movie. In my opinion i think that Nolan created no ending for the reason of what we are doing now, debating.
Nolan is a clever man, there is no ending.
JawzPause 1 year ago
@Soraphyll he was able to controll the limbo at the end when he figered out he was in it, then made his own world i guess. where he was on the plane and every thing was fine, the mission was a win and saw his children. the wobbleing of the totem, could have been turblance in the place? or plane landing, what ever. but hey i dont care its still a great movie . just a nother idea ^^
markwick11 1 year ago
@Soraphyll Yeah, you can see a few times where it wobbles, plus you can apparently hear it falling over the table after it cuts to black. Furthermore, one of the actors said, with regards to the end scene, "use your ears, not your eyes". But, hey, people ignore evidence and seem to believe in what they want to...
Psychonaut1992 1 year ago
@Soraphyll how do u explain the totem turnung around a cricle then circling at the exact point at the ebd?
OmgItsNikoZ 1 year ago
@delta2ish No because his wife touched his totem (it was hers before) so it lost its power so you never really know if he's dreaming or not.
Jakmehauf 1 year ago
@Jakmehauf oh ok well you see it droping
delta2ish 1 year ago
@delta2ish yer a real idiot dude. you didnt pay attention to any of the movie obviously, 1.) the kids were still wearing the same clothes, not good enough holmes? did you happen to notice that he never got kicked from his dream? he died drowing in that vehicle..and was stuck in his own limbo forever, your supposed to "think" i know..its tough for you.
norjak71 1 year ago
@norjak71 no he got the kick he did not drown
delta2ish 1 year ago
@norjak71 /watch?v=0gruu-ll3gc This video will prove you wrong. And to quickly take one of the reasons from the video *aham* The kids were older and there were slight differences with there outfits, not good enough holmes?
Cade9522 1 year ago
@Cade9522 lol you sent me a vid of some dumbass kid? was that christopher nolan explaining the film? god yer an idiot.
norjak71 1 year ago
@norjak71 well your comment about why he was dreaming certainly wasn't Christopher Nolan either, but at least the guys video I sent you made sense.
Cade9522 1 year ago