NFP vs. Contraception V

[lapetitefrancaise07]

cute :)

[sk8412c]

i think maybe it's divorce and abortion

watch?v=ySj3D7Nlw7E

[cjcapta]

I wonder what the one friend was who had the shirt hidden at 0:45.  Also, at 0:24, what is the person on the most right supposed to be?

[EuropeanProLifer]

@cjcapta At 0:24 they are Infertility and Misogyny. But at 0:45 I can´t see that kid´s T-shirt either.

[SAYYOURROSARY]

I CAN'T tell if you are supporting

NFP which IS simply natural

Contraception . If NFP is used

you end up with 1.7 children like

modern vatican Ii katholicks have

As far as the real Catholic Church is concerned NFP must be approved by the Bishop only to be used in special circumstances only . Only if approved by the Bishop .

Novus ordo fake katholicks use it

and have few children just like protestants 1.7

[lizmcdaniel312]

AWESOME!!! NFP=better sex.

[raysel2]

this was hilarious esp the "companions" to contraception... divorce is especially awesome lol

[7The7Truth7]

hahahaha.. great vid! once again :)

[hrdcrcthlc101]

I love how the newspaper says "these times demand the whole story" because people, more now then ever need to understand the Truth behind NFP. If more people did we would have fewer children with two addresses, hostile parents, and depressing home lifes.

[ang442]

Great video, especially re: blatant media bias toward the contraceptive mentality/culture of death.

[skamic88]

... Ravins are able to use critical thinking when confronted with a problem. I have digressed. My point is that it is ignorant to say that animals do not have an intellect and will. During my internship at an AZA zoo, I saw a lioness turn down her male counterpart, koalas will no longer bread in captive due to the constant supply of food. So, should we say no to our sexual desire... you can decide for yourself on your own time, as long as you don't impose your ideology onto me!

[jvjmj]

Animals cannot choose to sit here and think(intellect) out and choose(will) to respond to another on Youtube.A lioness may turning down her mate or not breed because of food.That's fine,but do these animals sit back and reflect consicously on why they are turning down sex? Can they say to themselves, "I cannot have sex today because I'm satisfied."They might act this out, but this is different from YOUR HUMAN conscious knowing and interpreting why and explaining why they are acting this way.

[jvjmj]

Do you believe that we have the power to say yes or no to acting on our sexual desires?Do we have the power to decide how,with who,when,and where we express these sexual desires?Do you believe that there's a right way and wrong way to express sexual desire?Do you believe that there's a way of acting toward another person sexually that respects them versus a way that disrespects them. All I am saying is that contraception promotes a mentality that leads to using another for mere sexual pleasure.

[skamic88]

As long as they are 2 CONSENTING adults, then there is nothing wrong expressing these sexual desires! Its not some taboo, dirty thing to be hidden away.

[ctnecnivs]

@skamic88: consent alone doesn't determine the morality of actions. what if those 2 consenting adults were your wife and another man?

[skamic88]

It is not a sin. I think you were trying to say it was adultery; however according to the bible adultery is committed after one spouse divorces and marries another (Mark 10:12, Matthew 19:9, 5:32, Luke 16:18). Whereas Matthew 15:19 states "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies." This differentiates fornication and adultery...

[skamic88]

... And on the same note, "her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance "(Deuteronomy 24:4 ).

[ctnecnivs]

divorcing a spouse and marrying another is one way of committing adultery. the other obvious way (and in fact, its very definition) is being married and having relations with a woman other than your wife. adultery is sinful and therefore immoral.

the bottom line is, even if the man and the "other woman" both CONSENT to an adulterous act, the act is still immoral. hence, consent ALONE doesn't determine the morality of actions.

[jezzica10]

I can completely understand if you are anti-contraception for religious beliefs, but to say that contraception walks hand in hand with abortion is ridiculous. Contraception does not in any way cause abortions,using it would actually decrease the number of abortions being done each year. Also, I can't remember the last time I heard about a condom causing infertility. And implying that people who use contraception lead unloving and unhealthy lives is a downright lie. Read some statistics for once!

[ctnecnivs]

Some contraceptives are in fact abortifacients, because their mechanism of action involves preventing the implantation of the conceptus.

The mentality behind contraception (wanting sex but hating its natural consequence) reinforces abortions. Abortions happen because pregnancies are UNWANTED (being the operative word).

[ctnecnivs]

Also, contraceptives promise to prevent pregnancies, hence people are led to have sex irresponsibly, weakening their self-control.

But surprise, surprise! Contraceptives have failure rates too, and behold, pregnancies still happen. But the couple is already so bent on avoiding this pregnancy. They hate it. What escape will they prefer? Abortion.

Statistics also support this. Where contraceptive use is rampant, abortion rates are also high - even approved!

[jezzica10]

@ctnecnivs The idea that the mentality behind contraception reinforces abortions is ridiculous. Some people don't hate the idea of getting pregnant, they just can't get preganant because of other reasons (ex can't afford it, have goals they want to reach bf kids, etc). I don't think they should be denied the wonderful experience that is sex just because they don't want children at that time in their life. even so, if people hate the idea of having kids, they should still be able to have sex.

[ctnecnivs]

@jezzica10 The mentality behind contraception involves trying to dissociate sex with its natural consequence - pregnancy. When a couple uses contraception, it's like saying "we do like this sex, but we don't want/we hate the baby" It tends to make people pursue more sex while having the mindset to set aside the responsibility of having babies. The more contraceptive sex there is, the more this mentality is reinforced. Isn't the "we hate the baby" part also the mentality behind abortion?

[jezzica10]

@ctnecnivs as for the couple "bent on avoiding this pregnancy", if they're using contraception, it means they don't want a baby and may turn to abortion to terminate a pregnancy. It's a stretch to say that this is because contraception led led them to the choice of having an abortion due to the "mentality behind them".

also, let's see some literature supporting that places who have "rampant" contraceptive use have high abortion rates.

[ctnecnivs]

@jezzica10 please google this article The Relationship of Abortion to Trends in Contraception and Fertility in Brazil, Columbia, and Mexico. (links don't seem to work here).

[jezzica10]

@ctnecnivs First of all, "Despite the possibility of this somewhat counterintuitive situation in the short term, researchers have hypothesized that as an increasing proportion of couples practice contraception effectively or resort to sterilization, the incidence of induced abortion will eventually drop." (That's from the article you gave me). See "Relationships Between Contraception and Abortion: A Review of the Evidence" By Cicely Marston and John Cleland for reasons for positive correlations

[jezzica10]

@jezzica10basically, if fertility rate declines faster than contraception use, you get a positive relationship. one fertility rate stabilizes you get a negative relationship between contraception use and abortion.

[jezzica10]

@ctnecnivs lastly... sex is fun, and at least I'm getting some. Can I get some thumbs up? Yea yea!

[ctnecnivs]

@jezzica10 sex is more fun when in the context of genuine love and responsibility.

[jezzica10]

I understand that religiously you believe conception to be the union of sperm and egg, so people who believe that would call contraceptives like the IUD an abortifacient. Personally, I believe that if the egg and sperm never implant in the uterus, then one is not considered pregnant and thus the loss of said egg and sperm cannot be considered an abortion.

[skamic88]

@jezzica10 The medical community would also have to agree with you. A human is alive when its viable. But something a lot of people forget is both cell theory and that a 1/4 of all medically confirmed pregnancies end in a miscarriage.

Another thing I'd like to interject is that the IUD changes the chemistry of the uterine cavity; the sperm and egg phagocytize (take in) copper ions, killing them before fertilization. Moreover, the IUD attracts white blood cells that attack the sperm.

[swwaddell]

As far as chesire's anecdotal evidence, thanks. My experience going from contraception to NFP is the opposite. That's the problem with anecdotal evidence--it doesn't a valid argument make. "I was before for the Final Solution, but I profited from the Holocaust!" may be a fascinating story, but it doesn't bear on the morality of stuffing innocent people into ovens.

[skamic88]

How dare you compare the Holocaust to contraception! I lost family due to Hitler's "Final Solution." These two are in no comparison, find a different metaphor!

[caldopeixe]

Do you say there is a comparison with abortion? Both sets of victims are INNOCENT. Both sets of victims were/are EXTERMINATED in masses- more so in the case of abortion. Sure there are differences- the Holocaust is in the past and abortion is in the present, and where the Holocause WAS a pity, abortion IS an ongoing abomination. The matters of contraception and abortion go hand in hand.

[skamic88]

irrelevant conclusion also known as the "Red herring" fallacy is? Let me recap your argument in bullet points so as not to confuse the feeble minded.

-innocent victims

-victims were/are EXTERMINATED in masses

-contraception and abortion go hand in hand

What dose not fit? You try to make a comparison between the holocaust and abortion, then say well they're connected.

[caldopeixe]

The proof that contraception and abortion go hand in hand is simple - they are results of the same attitude- quite the same attitude it takes to call others feeble minded. Contraception, abortion and genocide are all abominations - all unique, but they share some physical characteristics and share even more of the same errors of judgement.

[skamic88]

Errors of judgement? So are women just supposed have kids every 9 months? Would that be good judgement? Did you know that 'NFP' is indeed a form of contraception? So what about "nfp"users judgement?

I have many friends who are one one form of contraception or another. None of them have aborted or plan to plot a genocide. In fact that is totally unfair to draw that comparison, one of my best friends lived through the Bosnian genocide!

[caldopeixe]

NFP can indeed be misused as a contraception. Let me ask you a question - do you like being against conception? I asked myself this question and I said no. This is why I discarded many ill things from my life including the use of contraception. The act of using condom to contracept is no better than the act after after conception of snuffing the unborn baby because both say no to conception.

[skamic88]

So are you saying that it should be used to get women pregnant? Then what's the point? Seems like a lot of trouble to just have sex!

Ah, that is where you are wrong. I have nothing against conception, as long as the child can be cared for properly and is brought up in a loving environment!

How is using a condom going to snuff out a life? The point of contraception is to prevent pregnancy, whereas abortion ends a pregnancy. These two ARE NOT one in the same.

[caldopeixe]

"I have nothing against conception, as long as the child can be cared for properly and is brought up in a loving environment".

Is this why you contracept- because your baby would not be brought up in a loving environment? I agree that contracepting is void of love. I think your ideas cut yourself short of what you deserve - real love.

[skamic88]

You can't tell me how to love! I know my own heart best, and how dare you try to contradict me! I love my girlfriend very much, if I didn't then I wouldn't have spent 2 and 1/2 years with her.

The reason why we use contraception is because we are to young to have kids. So yes you are right, it would not be brought up in a loving environment. Both of us are in collage, with bad or even at times no jobs. It would stress us not to mention the kid!

[YourHumanRights]

and of the heart beating in the woms 3 weeks after conception ?

[skamic88]

Timothy 5:8, "If a man provide not for those of his own house, he has denied the faith and is worse than an infidel."

[YourHumanRights]

"before I formed you in the womb, I knew you"

"the BABE lept in Elizabeth's womb" (Jesus had just been conceived when Mary visited Elizabeth)

Oh, and Jesus came to the world by way of an Immaculate CONCEPTION! Not an Immaculate - uh, "grey area third trimester viability"

Do you really think you're foolling anyone with this clap trap ?

[skamic88]

God is omnipresent, and omniscient; you think he would include things like aborted profits and saviors into his foresight.

If you make that clam that these important people were at risk of nonexistent then you have no faith in your omniscient god! If it is part of "the plan" then have no fear.

Matthew 3:9

And do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham for our father'; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham...

[skamic88]

...Whats impossible with man, is possible with god; stones can become children of Abraham. those whom are innocent are never really lost (even if they were "prevented" from being born into the world).

Matthew 26:24

The Son of Man is going away, just as it has been written about him. How terrible it will be for that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been better for him if he had never been born.

[skamic88]

YourHumanRights If you are a true christian then you are in no position to question your gods master plan. The omnipresent and omniscient being that he is must have considered everything!

[skamic88]

Timothy 5:8, "If a man provide not for those of his own house, he has denied the faith and is worse than an infidel."

[Frankpwns79]

but using a condom is wrong, not in the same way as abortion but it's wrong because it waists what God has given you.

[skamic88]

So using the logic, the every cycle is a waist. Menstruation and the loss of that little ball of potential is a waist! Actually the anovulatory cycle of using hormonal contraception saves that little egg inside so it dose not fall out the the womb. So using your logic, being on the pill saves eggs! Whereas npf users just let the egg slip out of them each month. Where is god's gift? On a sanitary napkin rotting in a dump! Where is god's gift for pill users? Still inside their ovaries! ;-)

[Frankpwns79]

ok first, you are straying here I'm talking about a condom not the pill or hormonal contraceptives so lets stick on one topic.

Second,if your body naturaly spits something out and you leave it alone to do what it is naturaly supposed to do its ok, but with a condom you are using a natural prosess: sex but you block the 'natural ejection' from the man from doing what it should: enter the woman and -maybey- get her pregnant.

[skamic88]

A woman says "no to conception" once a month. Every time she menstruates, Did you ask the question, "do you like menstruation?"

[jvjmj]

Do you like how your made? It is not a matter of what we like or not. I may not like going to the bathroom, but I do it because this is how I am made. Eliminating menstruation is not the problem, it is the reason for her doing so! if it is only to avoid pregnancy, then sex is just a pleasured oriented act where both partners are having sex and using one another to achieve sexual gratification. Pleasure is a good, but it cannot be the sole intent for having sex. Love is the main intention!

[skamic88]

How can you negate yourself in the same comment? You talk about how we are made special and, then talk about how we are not to enjoy sex. We human are among the select few creatures who can enjoy intercourse and obtain sexual gratification. If sex was not a "pleasured oriented act " then human kind would have died out thousands of years ago. Yes, menstruation is a healthy, natural function, but so is sex. Love and sex are 2 separate entities, put them together and its even better!

[skamic88]

Show me empirical, non-biased information that Corroborates this and I might consider it. Seeing as how I myself have used birth control, I find your point to be unfounded! I don't plan on having an abortion (hence the contraception) nor do I plan on partaking in genocide! I find you comment both offensive and disturbing!

So please redeem your validity and accuracy!

[caldopeixe]

I'm sorry for any genocide. The genocide of abortion is worse in a way-it has been generally accepted as legitimate and the casualties are reduced to a lump of expedable cells and thus,the end is no where in sight. These babes have souls.I don't have to redeem myself of anything - I'm defending the defenseless and my views are the views of the Catholic Church.I sure hope you can tolerate an opposing point of view or do you prefer a dictatorship where I should fear of pointing out my beliefs.

[skamic88]

I do not prefer a dictatorship. But let me remind you of who is trying to oppose their point of view on whom. For years the Catholic Church has dictated what people can and can't do. I hope that you can tolerate my opposing point of view.

Abortion is a shame, but with access to education and contraceptives it dosn't have to be a reality! Sadly even NFP is better then nothing.

[caldopeixe]

I'm glad that we atleast agree that abortion is a shame. We don't agree on what ideas have propagated the use of abortion. I believe the ideas you espouse to have degenerated our culture. More contraceptives, more premarital sex, more abortions, more divorce, more porn, more sex abuse, more rape, more single moms. And the only solution you have is MORE. You want to dig a bigger hole. The CC does not dictate - it instructs the faithful.

[skamic88]

I'm sorry but porn, divorce, sex abuse, premarital sex, rape etc etc... have ALL BEEN AROUND LONG BEFORE BIRTH CONTROL!!! this things have nothing to do with contraception. In fact with education and access to contraceptives there would be LESS single moms.

It is sad when you dehumanize intercourse, and say that women should be broodmares for the church! Hay here's an idea! Stop complaining and build a school for those kids, provide socialized health care for kids!

[jvjmj]

You do not get it! Contraceptive sex is what promotes the use of woman... Who invented contraception? Man! Why? Because he cannot say no! Woman are not objects to use, but they are persons! the mentality behind contraception nutures the same mentality behind abortion, porn, rape...It is all about having sex for selfish reasons rather than where it is supposed to be expressed. Contraception promotes a lose promiscuious sexual lifestyle that leads to STD's s and abuse and abortion.

[skamic88]

I'm sorry that there are a bastards in society who use women. That would happen with or without contraception. Do you actually think someone like that would care if she was pregnant or not?

But you're right, MAN did invent contraceptives. Why? Because many women didn't go to college at that time, nor were there many female chemists and doctors at that time. Women can say no at any point. In the US thats called RAPE.

[skamic88]

Porn, rape, abortion have all been around far longer then modern contraception. In fact, the feminist movement hailed the pill as a catalyst for social change and the "equalizer" between the sexes. We humans were designed to enjoy sex, that is not a sin (look in the song of Solomon). If those people get STDs why should it concern you?

[jvjmj]

We should enjoy sex! I agree 100%. We should also enjoy food and drink and money. BUT, we enjoy these in their proper context. I can eat and drink in portions and in times, places, and ways that are very harmful and disrespectful to my own body and others. If I am always allowing my appetite to decide for me, then I am going to make some bad decisions! We may prefer sweets, but our intelellect says choose also some substantial foods. We may prefer sexual pleasure, but your intellect says wait!

[skamic88]

I will call my senator first thing in the morning and demand he pass a bill outlawing sweets!

If someone becomes morbidly obese due to an unchecked intake of sweets, that is their problem! And maybe it should concern our society, so how do we go about correcting it? We can't outlaw it, then it becomes an underground trade.

Ah... I know, through nutrition/health education and access to healthy foods and an active lifestyle. Yes, you can still die from that candy, but it is less likely!

[jvjmj]

What do you mean by an equalizer of the sexes? The sexes are equal in human dignity, but are also benefically complimentary in design. Otherwise, we would not have a human race! The way to bring about social change is not to elliminate fertiliy or see it as a disease. After all this is God's first blessing to Adam and Eve. "Be fruitful and multiply." Not, here are some contraceptives kill off the fertility when you want to just have sex for fun. Embrace your fertility as gift not curse!

[skamic88]

Guess what... with almost 7 billion people one earth at one time... we have multiplied too much due to fruitfulness.

Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to farm the land and to TAKE CARE OF IT! -Genesis 2:15

[chesirekitkat]

swwaddell the APA isn't anecdotal evidence. All these veterans from the war suffer from PTSD and they don't call it anecdotal evidence. The APA has studies from real doctors and they prove stuff. the anecdotal evidence is this video saying that women who are on birth control get divorced. There is no evidence of that.

[swwaddell]

The only reason I brought up abortifacient vs. non is because it was asked if it contraception was ok if it was not abortifacient. Whether x conrtaceptive is abortafacient is a fair question, it doesn't mean much becuase contraception's disorderedness doesn't stand or fall on whether it is abortifacient or not.

[swwaddell]

bradmacaroon, Yes. Some people are honestly confused by abortifacient vs. non-abortifacient. Briefly, the difference between nfp and contraception is the difference between doing or not doing something, and doing something and trying to cheat what it's for. Imagine two people trying to lose weight. One simply eats less. The other gorges on food and vomits it up. Contraception is like sexual bulimia in a manner of speaking. It's disordered.

[skamic88]

How can something that PREVENTS pregnancy is an 'abortifacient?' I have heard people call the pill this yet it suppresses ovulation! Also i have heard the IUD called this too, when this is clearly not true! The IUD encourages the body to produce leukocytes (white blood cells) and prostaglandins. The body sends its own defences to ward off pregnancy. It also causes Phagocytosis (the cellular process of engulfing solid particles by the cell membrane to form an internal phagosome) ei. no sperm

[urbanh196398105]

LOVED THIS VIDEO!!!

God bless you all you unique, precious, unrepeatable rational creatures you!

From an objective scientific standpoint, when you think about the purpose of sex, contraception has to be the most unnatural, counterproductive thing you can do to yourself. But if you're dogmatically committed to sex's purpose being pleasure, it's hard to see that.

"I love you! You're so sexy! Let's make love! ... oh ... wait a minute - hang on, let me get my BARRIER in place ..."

[chesirekitkat]

Not to be a negative nancy hahha but food for thought. Mankind has grown up our bodies are made to have sex but at the same time our real bodies weren't supposed to live till 30. I think if we have all these medical advances to keep us alive why not have the choice to realize that there are so many people on this earth and maybe we don't need to populate. So all these shots,pills,surgeries that is as untaural as contraceptives

[MAugustineP]

I seriously doubt your claim that our natural bodies were only meant to live to the age of thirty. That's ridiculous. If that's true, why does "Natural Living" make you healthier, happier, and longer-living?

NFP is hot, ha ha...

[mcna0804]

Actually, it's probably more like 20. The only reason we live such long, healthy, happy lives today is because of scientific advancement, not "natural living" (whatever that is). Have you ever had strep throat or influenza? Before antibiotics, those were very often fatal diseases. However, going from your conception of morality, and your defintion of "natural," we ought to just let those bacteria run their course through our bodies--it's just not right to interfere with Nature.

[swwaddell]

Catholics CAN regulate births. Birth control is not immoral per se, contraception is. It's the means that are the primary issue.

[skamic88]

Birth control and contraception are synonyms terms! so how Can it not, and then be immoral? You negated yourself.

Onan wasn't struck down for pulling out, he was struck down for disobeying god! Thats the only mention of contraception I can find, and its not immoral.

[jvjmj]

What is the difference between shooting grandma in the head or letting her die naturally?It is the same end! Yes, but the means to that end are obviously different. What is the difference if I use contraception or NFP?The end result is the same! Yes, but the means to that end is different. One way is my way and the other is OBEDIENCE to God's WAY, design!What is the purpose behind contraception?What is the mindset of those that contracept?God did not invent it. Man did! Why? Unrestrained sex!

[skamic88]

WTF? Where did you come up with that analogy? god supposedly made us, everything about us, correct? Then he gave us the intellect to make things like the pill and other forms of contraception. God would have had some heads up about this happening seeing as how he is omniscient, correct. With over population we are raping the earth, dose it not say in Gen. 2:15 to take care of the earth?

[skamic88]

Now, I'll explain the story of Onan.

Onan was given the task from god to impregnate Tamar, his brother's (Er) wife as later mentioned as law in Deuteronomy. Onan knew it wouldn't be his kid so he pulled out. Not listing to god and raising up kids for his brother, he was slain!

If he had gotten a son for Tamar and pulled out at a later date then there would be no story of Onan because he would have fulfilled his brotherly duty to Er.

[jvjmj]

There is an order to nature GIVEN to creation.Human beings possess a nature and we have an intellect to reflectively come to know and understand our nature. We choose(free will) to respect it or not. What happens when we treat something contrary to its nature?Good or Bad?Let's say, I drive a car like a bulldozer?Point being, just because we have an intellectual power does not mean that everything that we make is great!You seem to think that any MEANS to reach a desired END is permissable

[skamic88]

No, you're right by any means is not permissible; however condoms are more permissible then abortion. Starvation due to overpopulation is not permissible either. Raping what little wild lands and removing entire mountain tops we have left for resource extraction is not permissible either! Yes we have free will, and yes we have made some terrible choices, but this is one choice we need to be educated about because it will be bad if we don't...

[skamic88]

... How many people will starve to death? How many mother will wonder how that can afford to take care of their numerous children? How many less developed nations will end up like the Philippines? How long are we going to let AIDs proliferate in Africa, before we increase STD prevention education? How many animals must go to the brink (or beyond) of extinction?

It sounds like we are neglecting to take care of the garden!

[jvjmj]

What is the purpose of condems or any contraceptive?To prevent pregnancy!It is good that a married couple desires to enjoy sexual intercourse and presumably have good reasons to avoid having children. What is wrong with abstaining? Is it not possible?It has the same end as contraception, but the MEANS is much different.Abstaing acually fosters deeper intimacy and communication.A woman's cycle teaches self control as well as respect for the woman's design.Love is not only expressed genitally.

[SAINThoodSEEKER]

Agreed! I waited until I was married (age 27). I could've given in many times, but I'm glad I didn't. I feel much more connected to my wife than my friends who don't adhere to the Church's teachings on sex. It has made me much more patient, which is HUGE because I've always had problems with patience. Our elders knew what they were doing! They knew how to live. I say to young men, Be A Man, not a weak by product of the Sexual Revolution. God Bless

[ezmereldagreen]

look maybe abstention is ok for you but its not for me...my partner and i use contraception unless we want a baby...intimacy between us includes sex and very deep, fulfilling and beautiful it is too! sex can be a natural beautiful thing but if its not your bag then thats fine but you sure dont speak for everyone...how do you know your elders werent doing it in secret?

[jvjmj]

Populations die without sex, but a person will not die from not having sex. Contraception also promotes the death of a population and has lowered the birth rate dangerously in some countries. Having sex means taking responsibility for our actions. Sex creates a natural physiological bond between two people for the very purpose of raising and educating children. Why not marry and raise a beautiful family?If you love her then marry her?Love is meant to be eternal and for a lifetime.Why not marry?

[jvjmj]

Contraception simply promotes a lifestyle that makes one incapable of being faithful to one person. If you do not learn to say no to you sexual desires then you are no different then a dog or cat in heat. People that use contraception are basically saying that I cannot control myself. NO! You are a rational creature that has the ability and power to say YES to what it right and NO to what is wrong. There is a right and a wrong. It is not just whatever I feel is right is right.

[SAINThoodSEEKER]

NFP isn't about abstinence. Abstaining is only a small part of the method. What NFP is all about is not kicking God's plan out of the picture. When using NFP, if a couple has a valid reason to try to avoid pregnancy, then abstinence is recommended during the fertile time of the month (usually less than a week). The beauty is that the couple isn't leaving God out of it because if they are supposed to have a child, they still will. Oh, about the elders question, I know b/c they had many children!

[skamic88]

Is YOUR God omnipotent? Dose He/She have a plain for you? Do you honestly think He would allow you to throw a wrench into the works? Do you think that, if He/She is omnipotent, would have foreseen these actions and taken them into account when considering His/Her plan? If everything is in his plan, then so is birth control. That same God, also provided the botanical source for the pill, whether its Cohosh root or wild yam She/He still meant for us to find it and utilize it.

[ezmereldagreen]

no love is not only expressed genitally but it can be...abstaining is like not eating or breathing. sex is natural,relaxing and very good exercise!!! you dont get love going to the gym!!!!

[jvjmj]

She is not an instrument of sexual pleasure. She is a person that should never be USED as a means of sexual pleasure. Contracepted sex simply says that your body controls you and that you're a slave to your passions. An alcoholic cannot say not to alcohol, a drug addicit cannot say no to drugs; alcohol and certain drugs can be good when used properly.Can you say no to sex? Why? Are you addicted? How long can you go before you Have to have sex? This is a problem and Jesus Christ is the answer.

[jvjmj]

Sex is not a personal need. Food, Water, Shelter, and Intimacy are personal needs. Sex is a communal need. People die when they do not eat or drink, but people do not die when they do not have sex. Sex is not intimacy although sex can be intimacy. There are people that have sex that do not even know one another. This is not intimacy or love. This is the selfish pursuit of sexual pleasure at the expense of anothers dignity. Feeling good, deep and fulfilled does not equal love.

[jvjmj]

The dark ages are upon us. We cannot see the obvious purpose for sex anymore. We are blind to the fact that sexual intimacy is meant to be for a man and a woman that are planning to live their lives together in love by raising a family. To remain faithful to one another in good times and bad and in sickness and in health. Sex is genital because it is meant to be generous in generating new life. If you love someone then you are not afraid to commit to living a lifetime with that person.

[jvjmj]

So what do you do when you are commited to someone that you love and another woman comes along that looks better than your wife? Will you be able to say no? Is love based upon sexual attraction? True love is commited love and commited love requires the ability to control ones sexual passions. Contraception simply makes that other woman into another object to satisfy your selfish desires. Sex is great and it is truly beautiful when expressed in fidelity and love.

[bradmacaroon]

Why can't Catholics practice non-abortifacient contraception? If you are married and have children or want to put off having children awhile? I don't get it.

-mr ingoodfaith

[ushineon4me]

I love this. LOVE IT!

[latinflava05]

Women have the right to have a certain number of kids as they choose. Jenny pointed out that many women switch to NFP because of health reasons. Some women can't handle the side effects of birth control.

[jennywren09]

BTW I am an atheist so it's not a religious choice...it's a health choice...

Do not confuse NFP with the rhythm method...they ARE NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL...it should be heard that NFP and Christianity don't automatically go hand in hand..since often this seems to be the arguments seen in the comments..

[jvjmj]

I was reading through your older posts and thought I would share a comment.

Nature has an order and law written into it. The human body is designed with a given order and law. Following these given laws written into nature is, according to Christians, following the order and laws of God. Sin is when we choose to act contrary to God's design, order, and law. God wants us to be happy and fullfilled and thus follow the order and law that he has written into our bodies, into nature. Peace

[jennywren09]

since I went of the pill two years ago I feel so much better...stronger sex drive, better mood, weight back down to normal and I don't worry about mysterious hormones and chemicals in my body...During that short week when you can become pregnant wear a condom!!!

[bluedevilkurz]

Jenny--

I fully support not medicating yourself when not needed, and am glad you feel better having gotten off the pill. But to deny the link between Christianity and NFP is a bit naive, and 99% of NFP users will disagree with your comment regarding the use of a condom during the short week.

You could just wear a condom ALL THE TIME and not have hormonal issues. But whatever.

[jennywren09]

I'm married and we are ready to have kids so that's the only reason I don't wear the condom all the time...otherwise I'd always use a condom.but I'd still take my Basal body temp and chart my cycles!!!

BTW I'd still have hormone issues???

I'm not denying the link (and I'm DEFINETLY NOT NAIVE) I was just trying to point out that there are a few of us out there who don't fit that mold (to those ppl who are naive) :)

[neillob11]

hmmmm.... lets think, why do people get abortions? maybe its cause their Contraception failed or they didnt use it to begin with, and yes NFP can indeed fail (especially if you dont know what to do!) nfp has a failure rate of 9%. unlike hormonal methods that can be as good as 5% (pill)-0.05% (implant)

[NewYorkDoc79]

Yea, but you can't apply such logic to these people.

If they're married, they should want kids. Especially since people only become pregnant if GOD wants--biology obviously has nothing to d with it.

And if they're not married, they shouldn't be having sex.

Therefore, contraceptive is unnecessary.

::::::sigh:::::

[NewYorkDoc79]

Let's paraphrase this ridiculous video: "People who use contraceptives obviously don't love each other."

And i also forgot that being catholic meant that no one cheats on their spouse. Or gets an abortion. Or uses the pill.

Would you believe that I know MANY catholics taking birth control? Or using condoms?

But remember, those aren't natural. Instead, let's "check cervical mucus." Because that's so natural.

See a lot of animals in the wild checking cervical mucus.

[jcjewell]

If you want to REALLY make your point, hold up as an example, devout Catholics who follow the teachings of Christ's church, the Holy Catholic Church, and show me how horrible it all is, don't hold up those who pick and choose the teachings they want to follow, claim to be Catholic.

Going to a Catholic church and saying you are Catholic is no more valid than to stand in a garage and say that you are a car.

Oh, and being Catholic is supposed to mean a person is perfect? Where did you get that?

[gottadance00]

thanks, guys! this is my favorite of the bunch.

[soccerchick43001]

"Divorce, infertility, and abortion"?!?!

These "facts" that are incorporated into this video don't mention the fact that the studies on contraception options include non-religious as well as Catholics. That is a HUGE variable in a study and makes it ridiculous to connect contraception in Catholic couples to divorce, infertility, and abortion.

Wait.... did you even GET any of these 'facts' from studies???

I smell assumption.....

[emedoodle]

THis is the best of them all!!!! AMEN! & God bless this great work! Seminarians are awesome!

[tohellinahelicopter]

silly catholics, little boys dont make babies!

[chesirekitkat]

I LOVE IT!

[hovings]

Loved it! And nice cameo from our Saginaw boys :)

[TheOnlyKingArthur]

This has to be the worst of the bunch. What do contraceptives have to do with divorce? Terrible, terrible, terrible. If you plan to continue these, you ought to at least get a tripod. $10 at RadioShack, or SET THE CAMERA ON A TABLE or something.

[Szpondt]

Actually, contraceptives have everything to do with divorce: it wasn't until the early 1960's that divorce spiked. And what also spiked during the early 1960's? The use of contraceptives.

NFP users report divorce ratings at about 5 or less percent.

In today's society, the average divorce rate hovers around fifty percent.

Cheers.

-Szpondt

[TheOnlyKingArthur]

Wow all that sounds good. But you haven't shown anything. Nothing you said actually links the two together. Sex in general, particularly outside of marriage, also spiked at that time. What's your point??? If you look at statistics in a far removed little bubble like that, it doesn't mean anything. You have to look at the whole picture.

[PraiseDivineMercy]

Contraceptives remove one of the immediate consequences of casual sex, which naturally increases a lot of other problems.

[spikeschilde621]

that's cause most NFP users are catholic and don't believe in divorce in the first place.

A ton of other things also spiked in the 60's besides contraceptives and divorce. Woman's rights, drugs, and sex to name a few. Divorce in the 60's had NOTHING to do with NFP. It had to do with a CULTURAL REVOLUTION.

[neillob11]

what women have rights now? so theyre not supposed to sit around the house and crap out kids?

[TheScanClan]

These videos aren't supposed to be comprehensive. They're supposed to make you think and then go do a bit of research. Want to know where they get this crazy idea that contraceptives contribute to divorce? Google or hit the library and you'll find studies. Start with common sense..separate the couple and you separate the couple. Isn't a common symptom of divorce "we grew apart"? Don't children lead parents to become less selfish? Self-centeredness is common in divorce. The links are there.

[skamic88]

No really how dose contraception lead to divorce?

[chesirekitkat]

skarmic88 it doesn't, the APA a real organization does not think that. divorce happens, dying happens, EVERYTHING happens. and birth control does not cause that. When I wasn't on birth control I was abused. I'm on it now and I have a loving boyfriend and he would never stop loving me because of birth control. Divorce comes from the couple not loving each other whether or not a baby was involved. Baby's should be made out of love not as a glue to hold things together.:D

[skamic88]

American Psychological Association?

I'm sorry to hear about the abuse, and I wish the best for you and your new boyfriend. ;-)

I agree with you 100%. A loving couple should be able to decide when they are ready to conceive. Children need to be brought up in a loving environment.

[jvjmj]

Animals do experience sexual pleasure, but humans are conscious of and have the ability to interpret the meaning of sexual desire. Animals cannot say no because they do not have an intellect and will. It makes one wonder why we need contraception? Can we say no to our sexual desires or do we just treat each other like object to satisfy ourselves?

[jvjmj]

We are human beings called to love and raise children in love so as to better society. Is it good to teach kids that the sole purpose of sex is to use others to satisfy their desires?

[skamic88]

Contraceptives have nothing to do with using people. This was happening way before modern contraception came about. Its a shame that there are a few bastards in society who use women and such of that nature, but that is a select group of people. That would happen with or without contraception. Do you actually that someone like that would care if she was pregnant or not?

[jvjmj]

What is the intended point behind pornography? I would say a little more than a few people are using woman! 10 -14 billion dollars annually is made by people that treat the human body as a sex objects. The body expresses the inner mystery of the human person! It the human person enjoy being used and treated as an object. What is intention behind the use of contraception? Wouldn't it be great if we could control ourselves and have sex by choice and not be driven by compulsion?

[jvjmj]

If we cannot say no to sexual desires or give proper directoin to our sexual urge without using contraception,then we are not in full possession of ourselves.We are out of control, addicted.Sex is not a personal need like foodandwater.We do not die from not having sex. Although, Sex is a communal need for the continuation of the human race.Saying no to sex will not kill us,therefore if we cannot say no we are slaves to our desire.If sex were a personal need then we would have to have it.

[skamic88]

It is a need! It is biologically ingrained in us. The Philosopher Plato said that everything humans do pertains to sex. Impressing or trying to show off for the opposite sex. Working hard for money, so they can get a wife. You can argue that every thing can lead back to sex. Why, for example, do young people get fact sports cars and show them off? Why do some people want to join the football team or cheerleading?

[jvjmj]

Will someone die or go into a convulsion if we do not have genital sex? Will they die?No! Although, if addicted they may have a difficult time resisting indulging their sexual appetite. Sex is not a personal need like food, water, oxygen. Individuals persons do not have to have genital sex to stay alive.Rather, the genital expression of our sexuality is a communal need! We are sexual because this is how we are created, but we do not need to genitally express ourselves to stay alive.

[skamic88]

At 6.75 billion humans on earth today, we have been fruitful and multiplied exponentially!

[jvjmj]

The brain is not the intellect.The intellect is a spiritual faculty.Animals do have the ability or higher rational faculty to reflect on and become conciously aware of the experience they are having of themselves;They cannot say to themselves:"Based upon what I am experiencing, I am a pig and that is a cow."They cannot Interpret and define the things that they are experiencing as a car, buser, plane..Animals have sensible soul and Humans have rational souls.Animals are trained not educated.

[skamic88]

in⋅tel⋅lect

noun

1.The power or faculty of the mind by which one knows or understands, as distinguished from that by which one feels and that by which one wills; the understanding; the faculty of thinking and acquiring knowledge.

2.The ability to learn and reason; the capacity for knowledge and understanding.

Having a brain constitutes intellect! Spend more time with your dog/cat/whatever and you will understand better When I wold say "walk" to my dog he would understand exactly what i said

[skamic88]

To say that animals are not aware of their surroundings and can not rationalize that information is ignorant. I grew up with an amazingly smart dog, who could distinguish me from the family car, in fact he rather liked car rides (until he realized thats how we tricked him into going to the vet). Almost knowledge we obtain is due to experiences we have had. Humans are trained just as much as animals are.

[skamic88]

Humans are "potty trained," trained by our teachers to vomit out stats, dates, and facts, we are trained by our parents, we have to learn "job training," the first day on the job we are titled "trainee." Its all semantics; when both mean exactly the same thing. In fact I could go on and on about how we are trained and institutionalized.

[SAINThoodSEEKER]

Isn't it ironic how today when it comes to hardcore moral issues many people have developed "beliefs" and stances that usually are based on what is easier for him or her or what is merely more pleasurable? I understand this in some cases, but when a person's ethical measuring stick is mostly calibrated based on what is more advantageous rather than what is objectively more appropriate, it becomes hard to RESPECT that position. I have no problem with disagreeing, but when I can't even respect...

[SAINThoodSEEKER]

a position, then a redflag has to go up!

[skamic88]

Moral issue? Animals? APA? Please show me the connection, what are you responding to? How is an animal having higher cognitive function a moral issue? Is it because it goes against the church's teachings that humans are special? You have said a lot of nothing, regarding calibrated "beliefs" based on what is objectively advantageous and hard to respect. I too, have no problem with disagreeing, but what EXACTLY are we disagreeing on? Animal cognition, sexualization of women, unchecked populations?

[skamic88]

Aside from addressing the issue of animal cognitive function; I would like to share a quote from "Scientific American" magazine.

The first and second industrial revolutions vastly increased farm productivity thus increasingly freeing the labor force to work in other occupations of America these inventions eventually led to the liberalization of sexual mores and emancipation of women. Agricultural societies needed child labor, so fertility is all-important...

[skamic88]

... Technology led to women becoming more sexual even before the advent of the pill."

Doyle, Rodger. "Not So Revolutionary." Scientific American 05 Dec 2006: 42.

[jvjmj]

The use of contraception flows from a certain mentality that promotes the use of another person in the name of sexual gratification.People are not to be used as an means to my pursuit of sexual gratification. There is nothing wrong with sexual gratification, but when it is pursued at the expense of another's deserved dignity and respect it is wrong.The choice to contracept is acknowledging that I cannot control 'when' and 'when not' to express my sexual drive.Persons are to be loved not used.

[skamic88]

Agreed, and many people who use contraception are in long term, monogamous relationships.

The mentality has been around long before contraceptives! According to Doyle, The first and second industrial revolutions vastly increased farm productivity thus increasingly freeing the labor force to work in other occupations of America

[skamic88]

these inventions eventually led to the liberalization of sexual mores and emancipation of women. Agricultural societies needed child labor, so fertility is all-important.

Doyle, Rodger. "Not So Revolutionary." Scientific American 05 Dec 2006: 42.

[SAINThoodSEEKER]

You sent me the comment about abstinence pal.

[skamic88]

Actually no I didn't ... Search the page and you'll see that (aside from this post) only you, jvjmj, and ezmereldagreen have used the words "abstinence," "abstention," and/or "abstaining."

Unless I'm mistaken.

[jvjmj]

You are reflecting on, interpreting, and defining what you see your dog doing. You are projecting human capability and understanding into your dog. Just because your dog is trained to dog tricks and distinguish you from the car does not make your dog rational. Human have the power of intellect which allows us to be consciously aware of what we are aware of, interpret an experience, define it, and decide how to act on it or not. Animal actions are instinctive not concisouly free and rationale.

[skamic88]

Sure, if thats what you think. Everything animals do is instinctive. In fact they don't think about anything right?

We have only uncovered the tip of the animal cognition iceberg.

[nurstim]

Excellent, well put together and factually accurate as research shows.

[jkmotherof3]

Great one again! Keep them coming!

[rockanne]

o man! that was excellent!

[ushineon4me]

I LOVE THESE!!!!!!!

[adam7453]

Correction!

I like how media has a newspaper that says "These Times Demand the Whole Story".

[adam7453]

I like how media has a newspaper that says "I Demand the Whole Story".

[KennethGriswold]

That is the best of the group!

[AussieMum07]

another great one guys. Thanks.