Hey 31444... How's 47004 coming on?? is she fit for service yet.??? If youre going to do any Driver Experiances with her.. tip me off as i would love to get back in the chair of her and reminicse of my first days of a mainline Driver...
Im glad this has been saved... I remember my days as a trainee driver with this loco on the western.. one particular evening we had 004 on the Northolt to Calvert Binliner..she got a good seeing to that night as the load is usually fit for a 58 or a 60!! but she produced the goods over the Chilterns and perfomed quite well..
well done and i hope she gives you as much fun as i had with her out on the main line..
@PistonBroke046 I love comments like yours,its great to here from someone who actually drove 004 in anger,Ive driven her quite a few times up at Embsay and its crackin loco but she's currently mothballed as a couple of buffers need overhauling and the drawbar on one end needs a bit of TLC,thanks ever so much for your comment
in most of these old locomotive starting vids, why do they let it start to spin up, only to let it nearly die before letting it spin up again. Many times this goes for many cycles? Why is this done? Why not just let it idle to warm up instead of dirtying up the engine with the smoke from struggling so much?
Danwat,The engine spooling up and down like that is a result of the engine governor which controls the throttle,because most of these engine start ups you see are from cold thus being overfuelled to start them the governor is always trying to control the engine from stalling so most of the time it "wides" the throttle and over compensates hence the smoke and excessive revs,but dont forget we are talking 1960's engine managment here
It's because the fuel racks are govrened by oil pressure - So when the oil is cold and thick the oil cannot flow effectively in the fuel rack and this gives the "hunting" situation - Clears up once the engine oil is upto running temperature and there are no more pressure spikes :)
@Paulsimon8 What contols the fuel racks ???? the governor does,now coz this is youtube and you average layman reads these posts then I wasnt about to go into detail about why the engine being cold will effect the tick over but seeing as you have mentioned it,engine oil pressure does control certain aspects of the governor,those aspects being the load regulator which controls the field coil voltage in the main generator thus creating the load placed upon the generator,thus effecting engine speed
@Paulsimon8 indeed,you should get involved in your local preserved railway that has diesels if your not already,it is an awsome experience to work and drive these old diesel loco's trust me :-)
@31144 My local one is ELR and then you are 2nd closest at Embsay - Definately beats the stuff I have to drive all day (142's, 144's 15x's 158's 333's and the like) at work.
Also apologies if my first post sounded a bit rude - I was in a rush to type as tea was burning away in the oven :oops:
@Paulsimon8 Dont worry mate,the burning of any food is not good,especially tea !!!!! iam up at Embsay every other Saturday pootling about getting dirty lol
Ahhh fair enough - Would I be welcome to come along for a nosey and see whats involved with becoming a volunteer of some description? If so, could you email me the dates you are about as I'd be wandering about like a lost skipton sheep otherwise! :)
On October 13th 1964,I visited Crewe works and saw these Brush Type 4 being made.
30 years later they were going to the scrapman.
Last one of these I worked behind was Prince William on the VSOE from Sheffield Mid. To Leeds City via ECML. Tony was the Driver. Went ECS to Crewe I bailed out at Dewsbury.
Hey 31444... How's 47004 coming on?? is she fit for service yet.??? If youre going to do any Driver Experiances with her.. tip me off as i would love to get back in the chair of her and reminicse of my first days of a mainline Driver...
PistonBroke046 7 months ago
Im glad this has been saved... I remember my days as a trainee driver with this loco on the western.. one particular evening we had 004 on the Northolt to Calvert Binliner..she got a good seeing to that night as the load is usually fit for a 58 or a 60!! but she produced the goods over the Chilterns and perfomed quite well..
well done and i hope she gives you as much fun as i had with her out on the main line..
PistonBroke046 1 year ago
@PistonBroke046 I love comments like yours,its great to here from someone who actually drove 004 in anger,Ive driven her quite a few times up at Embsay and its crackin loco but she's currently mothballed as a couple of buffers need overhauling and the drawbar on one end needs a bit of TLC,thanks ever so much for your comment
31144 1 year ago
Nice!
60103Henry 1 year ago
Duff Spoon
RichardSwayne 2 years ago
Not quite my friend,she's in tip top condition mechanically
31144 2 years ago
Duff is the nickname of the class 47.
RichardSwayne 2 years ago
You dont say ???
31144 2 years ago
When was this withdrawn from mailine service, and when did it pass to your group?
I remember this was an Old Oak Common based machine in the early 90s - I never did see it. Everywhere I went it avoided me!
flymajj 2 years ago
You work on some pretty cool stuff.
Love those old, thundering beasts!
AgentJayZ 3 years ago 2
Great vid,Spent many years working on these
DOCTORDROTT 4 years ago 2
in most of these old locomotive starting vids, why do they let it start to spin up, only to let it nearly die before letting it spin up again. Many times this goes for many cycles? Why is this done? Why not just let it idle to warm up instead of dirtying up the engine with the smoke from struggling so much?
danwat1234 4 years ago
Danwat,The engine spooling up and down like that is a result of the engine governor which controls the throttle,because most of these engine start ups you see are from cold thus being overfuelled to start them the governor is always trying to control the engine from stalling so most of the time it "wides" the throttle and over compensates hence the smoke and excessive revs,but dont forget we are talking 1960's engine managment here
31144 4 years ago
@31144 You sure?
It's because the fuel racks are govrened by oil pressure - So when the oil is cold and thick the oil cannot flow effectively in the fuel rack and this gives the "hunting" situation - Clears up once the engine oil is upto running temperature and there are no more pressure spikes :)
Paulsimon8 1 year ago
@Paulsimon8 What contols the fuel racks ???? the governor does,now coz this is youtube and you average layman reads these posts then I wasnt about to go into detail about why the engine being cold will effect the tick over but seeing as you have mentioned it,engine oil pressure does control certain aspects of the governor,those aspects being the load regulator which controls the field coil voltage in the main generator thus creating the load placed upon the generator,thus effecting engine speed
31144 1 year ago
@31144
I love details :D Just a shame the average man in the street doesn't understand these machines :(
Paulsimon8 1 year ago
@Paulsimon8 indeed,you should get involved in your local preserved railway that has diesels if your not already,it is an awsome experience to work and drive these old diesel loco's trust me :-)
31144 1 year ago
@31144 My local one is ELR and then you are 2nd closest at Embsay - Definately beats the stuff I have to drive all day (142's, 144's 15x's 158's 333's and the like) at work.
Also apologies if my first post sounded a bit rude - I was in a rush to type as tea was burning away in the oven :oops:
Paulsimon8 1 year ago
@Paulsimon8 Dont worry mate,the burning of any food is not good,especially tea !!!!! iam up at Embsay every other Saturday pootling about getting dirty lol
31144 1 year ago
@31144
Ahhh fair enough - Would I be welcome to come along for a nosey and see whats involved with becoming a volunteer of some description? If so, could you email me the dates you are about as I'd be wandering about like a lost skipton sheep otherwise! :)
Paulsimon8 1 year ago
It is very old! :l
polina82 4 years ago
On October 13th 1964,I visited Crewe works and saw these Brush Type 4 being made.
30 years later they were going to the scrapman.
Last one of these I worked behind was Prince William on the VSOE from Sheffield Mid. To Leeds City via ECML. Tony was the Driver. Went ECS to Crewe I bailed out at Dewsbury.
Slung it down all nght.
fishethedish 4 years ago
Can u get some internal shots; engine etc?
47 look good at night, orange exhaust glow, sparks off wheels, on the curve near me, when I was younger.
tpvalley 4 years ago