News Flash-God did not write the Bible... nor did Jesus. Texts written decades later were chosen by a group of bishops + a Roman Emperor 325 years after Christ died. The only thing in the Bible that can remotely be said to have come directly from God are the 10 commandments. There is no one on Earth appointed by God. The pope is voted for by mere mortals. God is Gay + Jesus was adopted. Look at yourself before you judge others lest ye be judged. We forgive you for you know not what you do.
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This to me is a non-issue. If you don't agree with marriage equality, don't marry someone of the same sex! As a school teacher, I don't ever recall reading/citing the words..."with liberty and justice for ALL" and seeing the word, "except". Separate but equal does not, has not and should not work. We can not "eenie meenie miney moe" through our neighborhoods and point to who is allowed marriage or not. As a christian and American, I am for equality, love, and acceptance to all human life :)
my uncle is gay and he is just like everyone, he just loves his own sex(men) but i mean he was married to a women befor i was born and then he found out he was gay and now he lives with his boyfriend. I think gays should be aloud to get married i mean what is so bad about it.
it isnt any of our bissnes who loves who it dosent affect us dose it.
god it makes me so angry.
and by the way god dosent hate gays were his kids and he loves us all.
ok im agnostic and i dont see how people play the whole "god htaes gay people" deal i mean no i dont belive one way or another that there is a god but i think that if there were he would be more upset at how judgemental everyone is i mean you may not like it but your not going to like everything so if i was a "faithful christian" and one of my best friends was gay and we had been friends 4-ever am i suppost to just stop being there friends because of what the feel? you cant pick who you love
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV): "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
hmm.well,i'm a Christian.I do believe, honestly,that God intended guys2be w/girls&girls w/guys, but i'm also not the type2shove my God down anyones throat either,&2tell you the thruth-those signs frm those "christians" in there really pissed me off.i mean,Jesus didnt come2condemn the world,He came to save it.I know&love God w/hopefully every part of my being,and when i see ppl condemning those ppl He loves,thats like stabbing my best friend in the face.U dont do that man.
It was God who made me gay...seriously and then he sent me a miracle to prove it was alright. Who needs a humans opinion when you've got the creator of everything behind you? I feel sorry for idiots...I really do.
the problem is, straight men and women are so programmed to see others of the same sex as competition, they can't believe it's possible for people of the same sex to feel love for eachother. try it folks, you might like it. i'm sure it beats the hell out of WAR!!
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Lesbians are fuckin devil whores destined to burn in a lake of hell fire damnation. They tried to fuck their daddy at age 12 then got rejected. Therefore all men are associated with daddy. They become weak and hate filled. The spoiled lil bitch then can't qualify for a man. So they take the lesser. The take on another taco hair flossin devil whore. Burn in hell lezbun devil whore !
I believe Religion has been the cause of all the hatred in the world.I think these people need to read the Ancient past it was not a problem then. Gays in Ancient Egypt had sexual freedom,just do a search on gay gods in Ancient Egypt.I feel those people are under hate now. I would love to see the day when the Pharaohs take back Egypt. I say Hail to the Pharaohs people need to remember there that there used to be hundreds of gods.
About that comment you commented on, I support you fully. I made that comment when I was a conservative christian... no longer a christian. Me, not only that, I support gay rights. And a year ago, I never thought, but I dated guys[I'm a male] and did stuff out of bi curiousity[I'm straight] But still now, I dont support bigotry. I find nothing wrong with two people of the same sex to get married like everyone else:) I understand why you sent that comment idaman12345:)
Right on, everyone has the rights to live their lives as they see fit, regardless of religeous believer that stride to control everyone. Religeous folks should know that their religeous laws are not above the common laws of this nation, and they are abusing the 1st amendment to shove their morals into peoples throats.
i dont understan why people hate on us its not like we do any thing to tham gays are here for a reas if god didnt want us here if not than he could take us all out so why dont you all back off of us dont you see we have alot to go thou any ways
Thats why I love my country CANADA same sex marriage - no death penalty. If Jesus were alive today he would agree with same sex marriage - he was a great man - why do you bigots defame his memory by using him as an excuse to condemn the love between two people. Whoever they are!!!!! Jesus would be upset by the hate and bigotry of homophobics - listen to the venom from the righteous - disgusting they sound like the devil himself.
marriage should be an antiquated institution. why do you want gay marriage? its possible to not be married and have more love than those who are not married. there are married couples right now divorcing. marriage is meaningless; love is everything.
so why gay marriage?
why isn't civil unions and having the same legal benefits as heterosexual marriages sufficient?
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I have found that I like 90% of Gay people I meet. I think that they should Legally have a marriage eqivelent, but that it should not be called marriage.Marriage is a lawfully bound HOLY thing. Love is great. However marriage is a HOLY thing. Homosexuallity it IN Fact not.
Religion should not be considered when determining civil rights. You claim that homosexual marriage shouldn't be considered "marriage" because your silly "good book" says so. You have no ground to stand on.
What this country needs is a MARRIAGE PROTECTION ACT that makes it illegal for a homosexual to marry a heterosexual. It would prevent the marriages that are most likely to end in divorce, most likely to ruin lives and most likely to lead to biological children being molested.
the world is not just made up of christian, muslims,jews but all religions.The world is not just white heterosexual men. It is about all human kind, piece and love.Who are you to control my life and since when have you lived my life. I do not tell you how to live yours so stay out of mine
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The beautiful thing about love, REAL love, is that it doesn't care about disability, gender, nationality, race, religion, or preference. When it happens, it happens, period. When such love sprouts, it's as beautiful as a lone flower in a catastrophic battlefield. It symbolizes hope. How dare you try to judge where it comes from or who it emerges between.
Well that's fine for you but we don't all believe in the same God and this country is supposed to have freedom of religion I thought. Plus the United Church of Christ, the Lutherans, Unitarians, Unity Churches, MCC Churches, and many Methodist and Presbyterian Churches want gay marriage legal so they can marry gays and lesbians. Not everyone interprets scripture the way you do.
The bible says that homosexuals should be put to death. How would you interpret Lev. 20:13? Any homosexual who calls himself a "christian" is brainwashed beyond repair or is ignorant of the religion.
Well Jeremy, I think you are ignoring the fact that two thirds of Christians realize that the Bible could not possibly be the literal word of God and only believe it to be the inspired word of God. I don't share their belief but I certainly don't begrudge them their beliefs as they at least have to some extent, incorporated common sense and the logic and empathy endowed by their Creator.
If your book is "god inspired," then He "inspired" Lev. 20:13. You can't pick and choose the verses you like and dislike.
The fact that many christians don't follow Lev. 20:13 and other death sentences commanded in the Bible is evidence that modern people are intelligent enough to disregard the ramblings of ignorant, superstitious men who lived during the Bronze Age.
If your book is "god inspired," then He "inspired" Lev. 20:13. You can't pick and choose the verses you like and dislike.
That's the whole point of saying it's inspired and not literal - that Christians pray about verses and morals instead of relying on the literal Bible. They believe some verses are entirely written by man but that spiritual inspiration made it through in other verses.
I challenge you to give me a stardard by which to judge what bible verses should be taken literally and what verses should be ignored. You can't do it. Why do you think there are thousands of Xian denominations?
Again, if Xian can "pray" for moral guidence and not consult the biblical text, why aren't all Xians receiving the same advice? Why can't Xians agree with each other?
All Christians don't receive the same advice because people are all 'tuned in' to God's Will to varying degrees. The best standard with which to judge which verses hold truth are to hold them up to the measure of the New Covenant - if something is loving, productive and harmless then there is truth to it. If a verse taken literally leads to harm it was no doubt written by men.
So do you determine who is "tuned in" to God's will?
Your standard judging verses is invalid. There are many incitements to violence, for example in the OT and NT. Jesus was not a great role model. Are you going to ignore the hateful speech of Jesus?
If there was any hateful speech by Jesus it he was most likely misrepresented. God-led incitements to violence in the Old Testaments were most likely man's interpretation of an angry and wrathful God which many Christians don't believe in.
The words of Jesus: Luke 19:27 - But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Jesus threatens people who refuse to follow him, with eternal torture. This is the attitude of a petty tyrant.
The angry, wrathful God dominates the entire bible. You're just cherry-picking. Genocide, infantide, rape, misogyny, slavery, gential mutilation and torture are a big part of your religion. I understand if that makes you uncomfortable.
The angry, wrathful God dominates the entire bible. You're just cherry-picking. Genocide, infantide, rape, misogyny, slavery, gential mutilation and torture are a big part of your religion. I understand if that makes you uncomfortable.
Take your argument to the fundamentalists. They're the one who believe the Bible is God's literal word. The majority of Christians - two thirds, don't believe that it is for the reasons you state.
I commend you for repudiating the attrocities committed by God and his hordes in the bible. So why are you still following this barbaric, primitive, ignorant, superstitious religion?
Well I actually don't and I'm not sure at what point you decided I was a Christian - because I'm not. Maybe I said something that somehow implied it. I don't know. But I'm a Pandeist - I think there are many paths to the same God who goes by different names but in essence is actually the Universe itself. And I certainly agree organized religion has seemed to do much more harm than good in the world...
No, I meant Pandeist. Well I had a miracle happen when I prayed to my Creator that was like a supernatural type spiritual experience - completely unexpected. Afterwards I did a little research because I didn't really understand how it was possible and found that people of all religions have similar experiences that they've reported. Since then (1991) I've noticed that when I pray and try to stay God-centered things seem to work out much better.
You experienced a "miracle?" What sort of miracle was it? Do you have evidence?
Yeah, people from most any religion claim to receive "miracles" from their god(s). Does that mean Allah, Thor, Apollo, Zeus or the Goat God are real? Did you ever think that people are DELUDED.
Money has been squandered on clinic studies that test whether or not prayer affects recovery from illness. The results are always the same. Your ability to recover from illness is no better than mine.
Well I was in a treatment center after a suicide attempt and had been sober a couple of weeks. The A.A. program involves believing in a 'higher power' but it can be anything. I didn't really understand that though. I had a counselor ask me if I considered praying. I told her I couldn't believe in Jesus because of X, Y and Z. She said "You need to forget that Jesus shit." That shocked me.
It should be illegal for self-proclaimed "experts" to treat people for drug or alcohol problems. Believing in talking donkeys doesn't make you qualified to treat people with dependencies, depression or mental problems.
That is another reason why religion is a danger to society.
No, actually you'd see if you did any research into alcoholism and alcohol treatment, psychiatrists and psychologists for years met with little or no success - then when the spiritually based program of A.A. came along with its beliefs in a higher power and the 12 steps, numerous alcoholics began to find recovery. Now A.A. exists in every country in the world with millions in recovery - and even if they're deluded they're much better off than if they were still drinking.
No, that is propaganda disseminated by religious organizations, like AA. Show me evidence that religious programs are better than secular ones.
If AA helped you, that's great, but that is only evidence that people helped you (and you helped yourself). The genocidal maniac of the bible had nothing to do with it. Helping people can and should be accomplished without inculcating nonsense. The excess baggage isn't needed.
I'm not sure what evidence is out there. I'd do a search on "treatment modalities addiction statistics" and see what you come up with. There are obviously people who get sober without religion and there's bound to be studies on the success rates of secular treatment vs. A.A.
No, I have no need to support the claim - because it's not important to me to convince you that God exists. I was just stating what I believed and why.
If you're going to make claims, you should support them, otherwise don't make them.
No, Jeremy. If I say "It's a fact that God exists and everybody knows it and you're a fucking idiot." then of course I should have to support that claim with some evidence. But if I'm sharing a personal spiritual experience and why that led me to believe in God - well that just is what it is - a conversation with me stating my beliefs and my reasoning.
You claimed that a religious organization can help alcoholics better than secular organizations due to a belief in a higher power. YOU made the claim, now support it.
I just know that the majority of alcohol and drug treatment programs are 12 Step programs that give people psychological help and then refer them to A.A. meetings because they evidently feel that A.A. is most likely to keep a person sober. The city I live closest to has 5 treatment centers that I know of. They're all 12 Step based. That doesn't mean a person can't get sober without it. It just means it seems to work best.
There's no motivation to sending people to A.A. because it has no dues or fees. People stick a dollar in the basket if they have it to pay for the coffee. People volunteer to lead meetings. So there's really no payoff for mental health professionals referring people to A.A., N.A. and C.A.
So? How does that show that religious organizations are better at rehabilitating alcoholics than secular organizations?
Because obviously treatment centers would much rather be referring people to a secular organization that helps alcoholics because most psychologists really would rather science and psychoanalysis provide all the answers - but they refer people to A.A. because it works better than other approaches have in the past.
They don't. Some are dead set against religion being an answer. Many reluctantly send patients to A.A. or treatment centers that teach the A.A. methods because there aren't many other treatment modalities out there. Like I said, the city I live near doesn't have a treatment center that teaches anything but A.A. and the 12 steps. It exists like that because it works the best.
If it's true that A.A is the only treatment program in your area, then I guess the "12 steps" would work the best...lol, when they work, which might not be that often.
If A.A. is the only program in the U.S. (which is not true) that is not evidence that it's a successful program. Perhaps the government doesn't fund secular programs sufficiently, especially since Bush decided to start a war because "god told him to."
I would imagine it can't be proven that success is related to religious belief if an atheist assumes they are successful in recovery because when they talk to God they're actually offering their own minds positive self-talk.
I think you're doing what's known as 'contempt prior to investigation'. You ought to read that William James book and investigate in other ways - it's just as unreasonable to insist there is no God as it is to insist that there is.
Is it unreasonable to disbelieve in unicorns, gremlins, goblins, Zeus, the Goat God or the Cookie Monster? After all, I cannot disprove any of these beings.
God's a little different than most of the things you named - there are plenty of claims that different religions make, even things they would consider as proof. To imagine that there is some divine influence or a Creator or even a Creative force existing on some level isn't unreasonable as the majority of humans believe in something along those lines.
Almost all religionists claims specific attributes for their god that they could not possibly know. For example, the Christian god hates premarital sex and masturbation. Wow, how do they know that?
It's okay to feel wonder and mystery about the universe. It's not rational to make up silly nonsense to explain the unknown.
For example, the Christian god hates premarital sex and masturbation.
Yeah that's crazy - they look at normal natural parts of life as deviant - which probably creates actual deviancy cause the view fucks people's minds up so much.
The most 'reasonable' person is the agnostic who neither believes or disbelieves in a Creator of the universe because they have no evidence to prove or disprove God's existence.
Agnostics are atheists by default. You either have theistic beliefs or you don't.
No. Agnostics neither believe or disbelieve. There are Buddhist agnostics that don't believe in a God but believe it's possible. Your attitude of "You either believe or you don't." is very much like a Christian saying "You're either with Christ or with Satan." It's manipulative.
Atheism is "having no belief in a god." It doesn't matter WHY you have no belief. If you have no belief, you're an atheist.
So what do you call the realm between belief in god and non-belief? The fence? Undecided? It doesn't matter. If you're "undecided," you don't believe in god.
It doesn't matter. If you're "undecided," you don't believe in god.
Yeah and if you're agnostic you don't not believe in God. These are basic words you can look up in the dictionary. Atheists believe God doesn't exist. Agnostics don't believe that. They believe that God might exist or might not exist and it can't be proven either way.
Agnostics have no belief in a god, they have no theistc beliefs. If I ask you if you believe in a god, what will you say, that you're unsure? Unsure is not a belief. You're not willing to accept theistic claims.
Atheism is not always a claim. How would you describe tribespeople who never heard of God? Are they "undecided?" No. Do they make a conscious decision to reject God? No. They HAVE NO BELIEF.
Agnosticism is a form of atheism (when we're talking about theistic claims). I'm an agnostic atheist because I have no belief in any god because there's no evidence. A deistic sort of god cannot be proven or disproven.
However, I sometimes take an "explicit atheism" position considering theistic claims that are logically absurd or can be disproven. Explicit atheism is a claim, unlike agnostic atheism.
She asked me "Can you believe in some Creator of the Universe that is more powerful than you?" I told her I could. She said "Well you need to pray to that and ask for help because you need it." I was insulted so I just blew the lady off. A few days later though the depression and racing thoughts came back so I was planning how I could off myself which is difficult in one of those places, but not impossible. I would have done it.
But I had a moment where I remembered what the counselor said and even though I was raised in the church and prayed for years with no result I thought "What the fuck have I got to lose?" So I got on my knees and prayed the Lord's Prayer (since it was the only one I knew) very slowly, changing the words so it fit me and my situation. I remember saying "Hallowed be thy nameS." With the idea that maybe all Gods of all religions were really just the same God.
Suddenly I was crying, sobbing - I couldn't identify at all what I was feeling. I had to think about it. Joy. It was like pure joy. Bizarre - depression to joy like someone flipping a switch. I got up and went to the window. The colors of everything, the sky, the grass, the trees, even the brick had this high definition glow like I had some heightened perception.
The heightened perception lasted about 15 or 20 minutes. I felt like I was completely in God's presence and seeing that God was completely present in everything. I didn't know what to think of this. I did some reading in the A.A. literature and found out that the founder of A.A. had had a similar experience and his experience had led him to a book by William James called "The Varieties of Spiritual Experience". So I read that book.
The book discusses the similarities between spiritual experiences of people in different religions - and of no religion at all. since then I've known numerous people who have shared similar experiences. I believe it was real and it was God. Obviously I could be deluded and my brain reacted to the severe depression with a synaptic overload. However, I choose to believe it was God.
Your welcome to your delusion then, but don't expect anyone else to believe you.
Oh, I know. If I hadn't had that experience, I probably wouldn't believe me. You should put it to a scientific test of sorts. Keep a journal for a month and find some short quiz to rank your happiness and productivity each day - then try praying like that for a month keeping the same records. You've got nothing to lose. At worst you're talking to yourself for a month.
Moderate religion pathes the way for extremism. When parents teach kids that "faith" is a virtue, that allows people to justify anything they want.
It's true that the majority of people have enough common sense not to follow the advice of holy books, but the "fundamentalist" danger is always there.
Remember when the Muslim fanatics threatened and murdered people over some Danish cartoons? Who did religious world leaders speak out against, the murderers or the cartoonists?
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How come the anti-gaylobby never ever comes with a valid argument against same-sex marriage? It seems that they think that every time i bang my boyfriend a angel up in heaven dies of AIDS.. or something moronic like that. Marriage has no meaning for me; I love my man with or without it BUT if gays want to get married they should be able to.
let the gays be and let them be EQUAL have we all have the same dreams and needs and while specifics might seem different love is love. Let Every one share in the same misery of MArriage!
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lol. that Rev. Pat Buttgardner (no pun intended im sure), really really looks like a sick human being. damn! there really are people that are gay!? send em to a desert island! then they can talk about "gay rights". DO IT NOW! BUSH!
everything is a sin. all sins are equal. [read your bible] its not gross. you obviously have never met gay people. the kindest most accepting people in the world are gay people. i look forward to a day when people arent looked down upon for whom they love. all men and women were created equal. let them love.
Not everything is a sin...yes, it is gross...I have met and been friends with gays...they are mostly kind...thats great reformedklepto...I look forward to a day when people like you will wake up and realize its wrong...
when i said everything is a sin, i meant, everyday we sin, and all sins are equal, so we shouldnt sit here and judge someone elses sins, without dealing with our own.
"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye"Matthew 7:5
You tell me not to judge yet you are calling me a hypocrite. You need to read your bible. It is wrong to be gay. Im not saying God doesnt love all man kind. yes all sins are equal but it is also wrong to live in sin. Do you think all gays wake up everyday and ask God for forgiveness and really mean it? NO!! hey... heres an idea...why dont you take that log and shove it up your ass queer...
You are completely right. Why argue. You know the truth.
"Do not lie with a man as one does with a woman, that is detestable" LEV 18:22
"Everyone who does any of these detestable things -such persons must be cut off from their people." LEV 18:29
AND IT CANT GET CLEARER THAN THIS:
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman both of them has done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." LEV 20:13
RELIGION KILLS, JESUS SAVES! Granted the science of human life still belongs to a man and a woman, in one fashion or another, but the ROLE of nuturing life, protecting life or loving one another belongs to ANY man or woman, or any combination therin, who find themselves the strength and compassion required to truly LOVE one another from the heart like God does.
...what an idiot. I'm a lesbian. You have never met me, probably never will. SO: Are you really saying you could walk up to me, or to any lesbina or gay man, and shoot us in the head? Stab us in the neck? Beat us, stone us, crush us until we couldn't stand anymore simply because we love someone and you don't agree with it?
Are you saying it would be right and holy to kill us like those men killed Matt - or how those other men murdered two gay men by shoving their bodies through a wood chipper - and leave us on a fence, or the sidewalk, a fuck maybe a cross to die? Yes. Obviously we are the evil, sinful ones. Obviously.
No, it is never right to murder. but God has a plan for everybody. maybe that was his. ok...your a lesbian...your so cool now maybe all your little highschool friends will this your so cool too...you should feel nasty and ashamed.
...goddess above, you really are that stupid, aren't you? Going on about 'looking cool' when that has nothing to do with this at all. You're the one who said that we should be put to death, and then you turn around and say that murder is wrong. Hypocrite. And I never feel ashamed. I am proud of who I am and always will be.
Underscum you can stop shouting that crap now. youve been proven wrong numerous times about that so now you not only look like a parrot, but a retarded one at that.
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t239 the only person here whose afraid to admit theyre wrong is you. you certainly havent been right about anything yet. and you havent explained one thing thats rendered you particularly wrong. why are you still here? whats the point? we all get it that youre insecure about your own sexuality. if this wasnt the case youd be banging some chick or - oh i dunno maybe living a life? well im done feeding you. youre a useless troll and a very sad human being.
Promiscuous sex leading to AIDS and further spread of debauchery has horrible consequences for society. I haven't run out of arguments, you're just wrong and are afraid to admit it.
t239 sure thinks about gay sex alot dosent he? hey, t explain somthing to us. what exactly is the point of hanging out on such a GAY message board and talking to such GAY people about such GAY sex if youre so "ungay" yourself? wait, thats right, you're a flaming closet-queen.
"You've heard the argument: "How does 2 men marrying affect heterosexual marriage? It doesn't." Let's take it further: "How does homophobia and telling gays they are immoral and can't marry affect heterosexual marriage? It does and has affected many. Gay men who don't want to be gay often marry a woman to try to 'turn straight'. It never works. They destroy their life and a lot of times children are involved." Now which is more harmful to heterosexual marriage, gay marriage or homophobia?
t239 the fact remains that mentally you are an annoying dwarf. dont think we havent noticed that youre still using religion of all thing ( LMFAO) to support your tragicly flawed position. are you done embarassing yourself yet? this is a debate you lost days ago.
The fact still remains that gay "monogamous" relationships are usually open because neither party can resist screwing hundreds of partners every year.
You've heard the argument: "How does 2 men marrying affect heterosexual marriage? It doesn't." Let's take it further: "How does homophobia and telling gays they are immoral and can't marry affect heterosexual marriage? It does and has affected many. Gay men who don't want to be gay often marry a woman to try to 'turn straight'. It never works. They destroy their life and a lot of times children are involved." Now which is more harmful to heterosexual marriage, gay marriage or homophobia?
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News Flash-God did not write the Bible... nor did Jesus. Texts written decades later were chosen by a group of bishops + a Roman Emperor 325 years after Christ died. The only thing in the Bible that can remotely be said to have come directly from God are the 10 commandments. There is no one on Earth appointed by God. The pope is voted for by mere mortals. God is Gay + Jesus was adopted. Look at yourself before you judge others lest ye be judged. We forgive you for you know not what you do.
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This to me is a non-issue. If you don't agree with marriage equality, don't marry someone of the same sex! As a school teacher, I don't ever recall reading/citing the words..."with liberty and justice for ALL" and seeing the word, "except". Separate but equal does not, has not and should not work. We can not "eenie meenie miney moe" through our neighborhoods and point to who is allowed marriage or not. As a christian and American, I am for equality, love, and acceptance to all human life :)
StephanieKansas 2 years ago 2
my uncle is gay and he is just like everyone, he just loves his own sex(men) but i mean he was married to a women befor i was born and then he found out he was gay and now he lives with his boyfriend. I think gays should be aloud to get married i mean what is so bad about it.
it isnt any of our bissnes who loves who it dosent affect us dose it.
god it makes me so angry.
and by the way god dosent hate gays were his kids and he loves us all.
twilightmelovejasper 2 years ago 3
ok im agnostic and i dont see how people play the whole "god htaes gay people" deal i mean no i dont belive one way or another that there is a god but i think that if there were he would be more upset at how judgemental everyone is i mean you may not like it but your not going to like everything so if i was a "faithful christian" and one of my best friends was gay and we had been friends 4-ever am i suppost to just stop being there friends because of what the feel? you cant pick who you love
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV): "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters, nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
unashamedevangelist 3 years ago
Wow, looks amazing.
horseygirl321 3 years ago
hmm.well,i'm a Christian.I do believe, honestly,that God intended guys2be w/girls&girls w/guys, but i'm also not the type2shove my God down anyones throat either,&2tell you the thruth-those signs frm those "christians" in there really pissed me off.i mean,Jesus didnt come2condemn the world,He came to save it.I know&love God w/hopefully every part of my being,and when i see ppl condemning those ppl He loves,thats like stabbing my best friend in the face.U dont do that man.
greenshoeleftfoot 3 years ago
It was God who made me gay...seriously and then he sent me a miracle to prove it was alright. Who needs a humans opinion when you've got the creator of everything behind you? I feel sorry for idiots...I really do.
dashanova 3 years ago
i feel very controversial about this statement. i support gay marriage, but i am an atheist (and i am also straight). but, hey, good for you.
JigsawMaster 3 years ago
the problem is, straight men and women are so programmed to see others of the same sex as competition, they can't believe it's possible for people of the same sex to feel love for eachother. try it folks, you might like it. i'm sure it beats the hell out of WAR!!
sanfranciscojim1 3 years ago
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Lesbians are fuckin devil whores destined to burn in a lake of hell fire damnation. They tried to fuck their daddy at age 12 then got rejected. Therefore all men are associated with daddy. They become weak and hate filled. The spoiled lil bitch then can't qualify for a man. So they take the lesser. The take on another taco hair flossin devil whore. Burn in hell lezbun devil whore !
doctorspankluv 3 years ago
May you dead soul live in peace you homophobic busterd! AMEN!
luminous247 3 years ago 5
May your dead soul live in peace you homophobic bustard! AMEN!
luminous247 3 years ago 7
did your mother not love you as much and is that why you hate women so much
idaman12345 2 years ago
That is so sweet!! made me cry.. i love it
fumala420 3 years ago
Good job, I liked this a lot.
xodudeitsemily 3 years ago
sorry mate, you are a fucking looser if wat you say is true!!
himler42 3 years ago
lol
hilarious
thoth27 3 years ago
religious arguments are completely irrelevant to the issue and shouldn't even be heard
wackinoffski 3 years ago 9
I believe Religion has been the cause of all the hatred in the world.I think these people need to read the Ancient past it was not a problem then. Gays in Ancient Egypt had sexual freedom,just do a search on gay gods in Ancient Egypt.I feel those people are under hate now. I would love to see the day when the Pharaohs take back Egypt. I say Hail to the Pharaohs people need to remember there that there used to be hundreds of gods.
masterballfuc 3 years ago 6
Gay Love ... it's the REAL thing!
buddmar 3 years ago
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STOP GAY MARRIAGE!!!!
tm11111111 3 years ago
STOP BIGOTRY!!!!
idaman12345 2 years ago
About that comment you commented on, I support you fully. I made that comment when I was a conservative christian... no longer a christian. Me, not only that, I support gay rights. And a year ago, I never thought, but I dated guys[I'm a male] and did stuff out of bi curiousity[I'm straight] But still now, I dont support bigotry. I find nothing wrong with two people of the same sex to get married like everyone else:) I understand why you sent that comment idaman12345:)
tm11111111 2 years ago 2
Hooray for same sex marriage!!! <333
Tsoco 3 years ago 4
Right on, everyone has the rights to live their lives as they see fit, regardless of religeous believer that stride to control everyone. Religeous folks should know that their religeous laws are not above the common laws of this nation, and they are abusing the 1st amendment to shove their morals into peoples throats.
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exsecrabilis 4 years ago
i dont understan why people hate on us its not like we do any thing to tham gays are here for a reas if god didnt want us here if not than he could take us all out so why dont you all back off of us dont you see we have alot to go thou any ways
rubioboy 4 years ago
Why do you believe in god? The god of the bibles says that homosexuals should be put to death. No "god" would such a thing.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
Thats why I love my country CANADA same sex marriage - no death penalty. If Jesus were alive today he would agree with same sex marriage - he was a great man - why do you bigots defame his memory by using him as an excuse to condemn the love between two people. Whoever they are!!!!! Jesus would be upset by the hate and bigotry of homophobics - listen to the venom from the righteous - disgusting they sound like the devil himself.
jodyrea 4 years ago
marriage should be an antiquated institution. why do you want gay marriage? its possible to not be married and have more love than those who are not married. there are married couples right now divorcing. marriage is meaningless; love is everything.
so why gay marriage?
why isn't civil unions and having the same legal benefits as heterosexual marriages sufficient?
please reply. or send me a message.
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progay 4 years ago
It makes perfeckt point love is love
Tyha2 4 years ago
I like The diversity of the video.
I have found that I like 90% of Gay people I meet. I think that they should Legally have a marriage eqivelent, but that it should not be called marriage.Marriage is a lawfully bound HOLY thing. Love is great. However marriage is a HOLY thing. Homosexuallity it IN Fact not.
slaytanic138 4 years ago
Religion should not be considered when determining civil rights. You claim that homosexual marriage shouldn't be considered "marriage" because your silly "good book" says so. You have no ground to stand on.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
What this country needs is a MARRIAGE PROTECTION ACT that makes it illegal for a homosexual to marry a heterosexual. It would prevent the marriages that are most likely to end in divorce, most likely to ruin lives and most likely to lead to biological children being molested.
guardian22222 4 years ago
the world is not just made up of christian, muslims,jews but all religions.The world is not just white heterosexual men. It is about all human kind, piece and love.Who are you to control my life and since when have you lived my life. I do not tell you how to live yours so stay out of mine
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FromBoomTown 4 years ago
Hello! I'm a Baptist Outreach Director. I have to say this video and song practically brings tears to my eyes!! Beautiful song!! Just wanted to post this so that you will know that true Christians extend love - not hate and prejudice. I reach out to everyone with love.
hojofan 4 years ago 2
This video made me cry. Excellent work.
Artemis300 4 years ago 3
The beautiful thing about love, REAL love, is that it doesn't care about disability, gender, nationality, race, religion, or preference. When it happens, it happens, period. When such love sprouts, it's as beautiful as a lone flower in a catastrophic battlefield. It symbolizes hope. How dare you try to judge where it comes from or who it emerges between.
MoonlitEclipse 4 years ago 4
The song is nice but we have to say gay marridge is not the way of God man and wife in marridge God is our judge and we all will be judged one day.
KingJesusforyou 4 years ago
Well that's fine for you but we don't all believe in the same God and this country is supposed to have freedom of religion I thought. Plus the United Church of Christ, the Lutherans, Unitarians, Unity Churches, MCC Churches, and many Methodist and Presbyterian Churches want gay marriage legal so they can marry gays and lesbians. Not everyone interprets scripture the way you do.
guardian22222 4 years ago 2
The bible says that homosexuals should be put to death. How would you interpret Lev. 20:13? Any homosexual who calls himself a "christian" is brainwashed beyond repair or is ignorant of the religion.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
Well Jeremy, I think you are ignoring the fact that two thirds of Christians realize that the Bible could not possibly be the literal word of God and only believe it to be the inspired word of God. I don't share their belief but I certainly don't begrudge them their beliefs as they at least have to some extent, incorporated common sense and the logic and empathy endowed by their Creator.
guardian22222 4 years ago
If your book is "god inspired," then He "inspired" Lev. 20:13. You can't pick and choose the verses you like and dislike.
The fact that many christians don't follow Lev. 20:13 and other death sentences commanded in the Bible is evidence that modern people are intelligent enough to disregard the ramblings of ignorant, superstitious men who lived during the Bronze Age.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
If your book is "god inspired," then He "inspired" Lev. 20:13. You can't pick and choose the verses you like and dislike.
That's the whole point of saying it's inspired and not literal - that Christians pray about verses and morals instead of relying on the literal Bible. They believe some verses are entirely written by man but that spiritual inspiration made it through in other verses.
guardian22222 4 years ago
I challenge you to give me a stardard by which to judge what bible verses should be taken literally and what verses should be ignored. You can't do it. Why do you think there are thousands of Xian denominations?
Again, if Xian can "pray" for moral guidence and not consult the biblical text, why aren't all Xians receiving the same advice? Why can't Xians agree with each other?
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
All Christians don't receive the same advice because people are all 'tuned in' to God's Will to varying degrees. The best standard with which to judge which verses hold truth are to hold them up to the measure of the New Covenant - if something is loving, productive and harmless then there is truth to it. If a verse taken literally leads to harm it was no doubt written by men.
guardian22222 4 years ago
So do you determine who is "tuned in" to God's will?
Your standard judging verses is invalid. There are many incitements to violence, for example in the OT and NT. Jesus was not a great role model. Are you going to ignore the hateful speech of Jesus?
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
If there was any hateful speech by Jesus it he was most likely misrepresented. God-led incitements to violence in the Old Testaments were most likely man's interpretation of an angry and wrathful God which many Christians don't believe in.
guardian22222 4 years ago
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The words of Jesus: Luke 19:27 - But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Jesus threatens people who refuse to follow him, with eternal torture. This is the attitude of a petty tyrant.
The angry, wrathful God dominates the entire bible. You're just cherry-picking. Genocide, infantide, rape, misogyny, slavery, gential mutilation and torture are a big part of your religion. I understand if that makes you uncomfortable.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
The angry, wrathful God dominates the entire bible. You're just cherry-picking. Genocide, infantide, rape, misogyny, slavery, gential mutilation and torture are a big part of your religion. I understand if that makes you uncomfortable.
Take your argument to the fundamentalists. They're the one who believe the Bible is God's literal word. The majority of Christians - two thirds, don't believe that it is for the reasons you state.
guardian22222 4 years ago
I commend you for repudiating the attrocities committed by God and his hordes in the bible. So why are you still following this barbaric, primitive, ignorant, superstitious religion?
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
Well I actually don't and I'm not sure at what point you decided I was a Christian - because I'm not. Maybe I said something that somehow implied it. I don't know. But I'm a Pandeist - I think there are many paths to the same God who goes by different names but in essence is actually the Universe itself. And I certainly agree organized religion has seemed to do much more harm than good in the world...
guardian22222 4 years ago
I've never heard of a Pandeist (or do you mean pantheist). So you believe that there is a god? Is so, what evidence do you have?
If you believe that the universe is "god," why not just call it the UNIVERSE? Get rid of the extra baggage.
Occam's razor.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
No, I meant Pandeist. Well I had a miracle happen when I prayed to my Creator that was like a supernatural type spiritual experience - completely unexpected. Afterwards I did a little research because I didn't really understand how it was possible and found that people of all religions have similar experiences that they've reported. Since then (1991) I've noticed that when I pray and try to stay God-centered things seem to work out much better.
guardian22222 4 years ago
You experienced a "miracle?" What sort of miracle was it? Do you have evidence?
Yeah, people from most any religion claim to receive "miracles" from their god(s). Does that mean Allah, Thor, Apollo, Zeus or the Goat God are real? Did you ever think that people are DELUDED.
Money has been squandered on clinic studies that test whether or not prayer affects recovery from illness. The results are always the same. Your ability to recover from illness is no better than mine.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
Well I was in a treatment center after a suicide attempt and had been sober a couple of weeks. The A.A. program involves believing in a 'higher power' but it can be anything. I didn't really understand that though. I had a counselor ask me if I considered praying. I told her I couldn't believe in Jesus because of X, Y and Z. She said "You need to forget that Jesus shit." That shocked me.
guardian22222 4 years ago
It should be illegal for self-proclaimed "experts" to treat people for drug or alcohol problems. Believing in talking donkeys doesn't make you qualified to treat people with dependencies, depression or mental problems.
That is another reason why religion is a danger to society.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
No, actually you'd see if you did any research into alcoholism and alcohol treatment, psychiatrists and psychologists for years met with little or no success - then when the spiritually based program of A.A. came along with its beliefs in a higher power and the 12 steps, numerous alcoholics began to find recovery. Now A.A. exists in every country in the world with millions in recovery - and even if they're deluded they're much better off than if they were still drinking.
guardian22222 4 years ago
No, that is propaganda disseminated by religious organizations, like AA. Show me evidence that religious programs are better than secular ones.
If AA helped you, that's great, but that is only evidence that people helped you (and you helped yourself). The genocidal maniac of the bible had nothing to do with it. Helping people can and should be accomplished without inculcating nonsense. The excess baggage isn't needed.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
The genocidal maniac of the bible had nothing to do with it.
True. A.A. is populated by Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Deists, Jews - all religions.
guardian22222 4 years ago
I'm not sure what evidence is out there. I'd do a search on "treatment modalities addiction statistics" and see what you come up with. There are obviously people who get sober without religion and there's bound to be studies on the success rates of secular treatment vs. A.A.
guardian22222 4 years ago
You made the claim, not I. It's your responsibility to support it.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
No, I have no need to support the claim - because it's not important to me to convince you that God exists. I was just stating what I believed and why.
guardian22222 4 years ago
If you're going to make claims, you should support them, otherwise don't make them.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
If you're going to make claims, you should support them, otherwise don't make them.
No, Jeremy. If I say "It's a fact that God exists and everybody knows it and you're a fucking idiot." then of course I should have to support that claim with some evidence. But if I'm sharing a personal spiritual experience and why that led me to believe in God - well that just is what it is - a conversation with me stating my beliefs and my reasoning.
guardian22222 4 years ago
You claimed that a religious organization can help alcoholics better than secular organizations due to a belief in a higher power. YOU made the claim, now support it.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
I just know that the majority of alcohol and drug treatment programs are 12 Step programs that give people psychological help and then refer them to A.A. meetings because they evidently feel that A.A. is most likely to keep a person sober. The city I live closest to has 5 treatment centers that I know of. They're all 12 Step based. That doesn't mean a person can't get sober without it. It just means it seems to work best.
guardian22222 4 years ago
There's no motivation to sending people to A.A. because it has no dues or fees. People stick a dollar in the basket if they have it to pay for the coffee. People volunteer to lead meetings. So there's really no payoff for mental health professionals referring people to A.A., N.A. and C.A.
guardian22222 4 years ago
So? How does that show that religious organizations are better at rehabilitating alcoholics than secular organizations?
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
So? How does that show that religious organizations are better at rehabilitating alcoholics than secular organizations?
Because obviously treatment centers would much rather be referring people to a secular organization that helps alcoholics because most psychologists really would rather science and psychoanalysis provide all the answers - but they refer people to A.A. because it works better than other approaches have in the past.
guardian22222 4 years ago
And of course, you have evidence for this claim too?
I don't believe that all medical professionals turn over their patients to religious quacks.
And, for the sake of argument, if the AA program did happen to have a high-success rate, what proof do you have that it's caused by religious belief?
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
They don't. Some are dead set against religion being an answer. Many reluctantly send patients to A.A. or treatment centers that teach the A.A. methods because there aren't many other treatment modalities out there. Like I said, the city I live near doesn't have a treatment center that teaches anything but A.A. and the 12 steps. It exists like that because it works the best.
guardian22222 4 years ago
If it's true that A.A is the only treatment program in your area, then I guess the "12 steps" would work the best...lol, when they work, which might not be that often.
If A.A. is the only program in the U.S. (which is not true) that is not evidence that it's a successful program. Perhaps the government doesn't fund secular programs sufficiently, especially since Bush decided to start a war because "god told him to."
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
I would imagine it can't be proven that success is related to religious belief if an atheist assumes they are successful in recovery because when they talk to God they're actually offering their own minds positive self-talk.
guardian22222 4 years ago
I think you're doing what's known as 'contempt prior to investigation'. You ought to read that William James book and investigate in other ways - it's just as unreasonable to insist there is no God as it is to insist that there is.
guardian22222 4 years ago
No, it's unreasonable to believe without evidence.
I'm an atheist. I don't believe you when you make theistic claims because you provide no evidence to back them up.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
No, it's unreasonable to believe without evidence.
I'm an atheist. I don't believe you when you make theistic claims because you provide no evidence to back them up.
It's also unreasonable to disbelieve without evidence. Where is your proof that there is no God?
guardian22222 4 years ago
Is it unreasonable to disbelieve in unicorns, gremlins, goblins, Zeus, the Goat God or the Cookie Monster? After all, I cannot disprove any of these beings.
That's not good logic.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
The Cookie Monster isn't real??? ;)
God's a little different than most of the things you named - there are plenty of claims that different religions make, even things they would consider as proof. To imagine that there is some divine influence or a Creator or even a Creative force existing on some level isn't unreasonable as the majority of humans believe in something along those lines.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Almost all religionists claims specific attributes for their god that they could not possibly know. For example, the Christian god hates premarital sex and masturbation. Wow, how do they know that?
It's okay to feel wonder and mystery about the universe. It's not rational to make up silly nonsense to explain the unknown.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
For example, the Christian god hates premarital sex and masturbation.
Yeah that's crazy - they look at normal natural parts of life as deviant - which probably creates actual deviancy cause the view fucks people's minds up so much.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Yeah, that's how I see it too.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
The most 'reasonable' person is the agnostic who neither believes or disbelieves in a Creator of the universe because they have no evidence to prove or disprove God's existence.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Agnostics are atheists by default. You either have theistic beliefs or you don't.
Atheism is based on a negation. It is "having no belief in a god(s)."
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
Agnostics are atheists by default. You either have theistic beliefs or you don't.
No. Agnostics neither believe or disbelieve. There are Buddhist agnostics that don't believe in a God but believe it's possible. Your attitude of "You either believe or you don't." is very much like a Christian saying "You're either with Christ or with Satan." It's manipulative.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Atheism is "having no belief in a god." It doesn't matter WHY you have no belief. If you have no belief, you're an atheist.
So what do you call the realm between belief in god and non-belief? The fence? Undecided? It doesn't matter. If you're "undecided," you don't believe in god.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
It doesn't matter. If you're "undecided," you don't believe in god.
Yeah and if you're agnostic you don't not believe in God. These are basic words you can look up in the dictionary. Atheists believe God doesn't exist. Agnostics don't believe that. They believe that God might exist or might not exist and it can't be proven either way.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Atheism: "Lack of belief in a god(s)."
Atheism is based on a negation. My atheism tells you what I DON'T believe. Atheism is not always a claim.
New born babies are atheists. They have no belief in god, but they don't "deny" the existence of a god.
Believing that god "might exist" or "might not exist" is having NO BELIEF IN A GOD.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
Believing that god "might exist" or "might not exist" is having NO BELIEF IN A GOD.
No, being an agnostic is neither believing or disbelieving in God.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Agnostics have no belief in a god, they have no theistc beliefs. If I ask you if you believe in a god, what will you say, that you're unsure? Unsure is not a belief. You're not willing to accept theistic claims.
Atheism is not always a claim. How would you describe tribespeople who never heard of God? Are they "undecided?" No. Do they make a conscious decision to reject God? No. They HAVE NO BELIEF.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
Then how would you describe the difference between atheists and agnostics?
guardian22222 4 years ago
Agnosticism is a form of atheism (when we're talking about theistic claims). I'm an agnostic atheist because I have no belief in any god because there's no evidence. A deistic sort of god cannot be proven or disproven.
However, I sometimes take an "explicit atheism" position considering theistic claims that are logically absurd or can be disproven. Explicit atheism is a claim, unlike agnostic atheism.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
I heard agnostics believed in a higher power but did not believe in the Bible. Is this wrong?
Kyberdude 3 years ago
Agnostics say "we cannot know" if there is a "higher power." Therefore, agnostics have no belief in a higher power.
Jeremyguru 3 years ago 2
She asked me "Can you believe in some Creator of the Universe that is more powerful than you?" I told her I could. She said "Well you need to pray to that and ask for help because you need it." I was insulted so I just blew the lady off. A few days later though the depression and racing thoughts came back so I was planning how I could off myself which is difficult in one of those places, but not impossible. I would have done it.
guardian22222 4 years ago
But I had a moment where I remembered what the counselor said and even though I was raised in the church and prayed for years with no result I thought "What the fuck have I got to lose?" So I got on my knees and prayed the Lord's Prayer (since it was the only one I knew) very slowly, changing the words so it fit me and my situation. I remember saying "Hallowed be thy nameS." With the idea that maybe all Gods of all religions were really just the same God.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Suddenly I was crying, sobbing - I couldn't identify at all what I was feeling. I had to think about it. Joy. It was like pure joy. Bizarre - depression to joy like someone flipping a switch. I got up and went to the window. The colors of everything, the sky, the grass, the trees, even the brick had this high definition glow like I had some heightened perception.
guardian22222 4 years ago
The heightened perception lasted about 15 or 20 minutes. I felt like I was completely in God's presence and seeing that God was completely present in everything. I didn't know what to think of this. I did some reading in the A.A. literature and found out that the founder of A.A. had had a similar experience and his experience had led him to a book by William James called "The Varieties of Spiritual Experience". So I read that book.
guardian22222 4 years ago
The book discusses the similarities between spiritual experiences of people in different religions - and of no religion at all. since then I've known numerous people who have shared similar experiences. I believe it was real and it was God. Obviously I could be deluded and my brain reacted to the severe depression with a synaptic overload. However, I choose to believe it was God.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Your welcome to your delusion then, but don't expect anyone else to believe you.
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
Your welcome to your delusion then, but don't expect anyone else to believe you.
Oh, I know. If I hadn't had that experience, I probably wouldn't believe me. You should put it to a scientific test of sorts. Keep a journal for a month and find some short quiz to rank your happiness and productivity each day - then try praying like that for a month keeping the same records. You've got nothing to lose. At worst you're talking to yourself for a month.
guardian22222 4 years ago
If I pray to the Pink Unicorn for a month and then I tell you that my belief in Her made me happier, does that mean that the Pink Unicorn is real?
Do you have any regard for the truth?
Are you aware of the untold human misery that seemingly innocent nonsense like this causes?
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
Are you aware of the untold human misery that seemingly innocent nonsense like this causes?
I'm not aware of any harm that is caused by Unitarian type beliefs in God. It's completely non-judgmental. It doesn't require unbelievers to believe.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Moderate religion pathes the way for extremism. When parents teach kids that "faith" is a virtue, that allows people to justify anything they want.
It's true that the majority of people have enough common sense not to follow the advice of holy books, but the "fundamentalist" danger is always there.
Remember when the Muslim fanatics threatened and murdered people over some Danish cartoons? Who did religious world leaders speak out against, the murderers or the cartoonists?
Jeremyguru 4 years ago
Moderate religion pathes the way for extremism. When parents teach kids that "faith" is a virtue, that allows people to justify anything they want.
Well you're assuming people of all faiths act the same way and the vast majority of any faith aren't fundamentalists.
guardian22222 4 years ago
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ash123452 4 years ago
It is completely true, He was bi.
jewish1972 4 years ago
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123Haleigh123 4 years ago
Did they still not know that Jesuschrist was bisexual?
jewish1972 4 years ago
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inkydinkydooky 4 years ago
Love may sometimes be wrong, sad, strange, and even blind; but the great thing about love, REAL love, is that it knows no age, race, gender, religion, nationality, or preference. When love blooms, its flower emerges period, no matter when it happens or who it happens between. Do not judge, because you have no right to judge. It will be a grand day when no one has to hide who they are, and they won't be judged for being what they were born as. I hope I can see that day before my death. =)
MoonlitEclipse 4 years ago
Just another person for full equality of gays and lesbians :)
buildthemonument22 4 years ago 2
How come the anti-gaylobby never ever comes with a valid argument against same-sex marriage? It seems that they think that every time i bang my boyfriend a angel up in heaven dies of AIDS.. or something moronic like that. Marriage has no meaning for me; I love my man with or without it BUT if gays want to get married they should be able to.
marksdump 4 years ago
let the gays be and let them be EQUAL have we all have the same dreams and needs and while specifics might seem different love is love. Let Every one share in the same misery of MArriage!
friendsofthefruitsof 4 years ago
Why should normal, decent people have to change their lives for a bunch of bubonic brown-eye busters?
RayAir1 4 years ago
you don't have to change, unless you think equality or acceptance is change? I doubt your decentness so why are you concerned?
friendsofthefruitsof 4 years ago
You don't have to change anything. Well meaby you could get some educatians. That seems to really cure stupidity
marksdump 4 years ago
What song is that?
appendectamy 4 years ago
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lol. that Rev. Pat Buttgardner (no pun intended im sure), really really looks like a sick human being. damn! there really are people that are gay!? send em to a desert island! then they can talk about "gay rights". DO IT NOW! BUSH!
Winjury 4 years ago
everything is a sin. all sins are equal. [read your bible] its not gross. you obviously have never met gay people. the kindest most accepting people in the world are gay people. i look forward to a day when people arent looked down upon for whom they love. all men and women were created equal. let them love.
reformedklepto 4 years ago
Not everything is a sin...yes, it is gross...I have met and been friends with gays...they are mostly kind...thats great reformedklepto...I look forward to a day when people like you will wake up and realize its wrong...
Dixiegirl040187 4 years ago
when i said everything is a sin, i meant, everyday we sin, and all sins are equal, so we shouldnt sit here and judge someone elses sins, without dealing with our own.
"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye"Matthew 7:5
God Bless
reformedklepto 4 years ago
You tell me not to judge yet you are calling me a hypocrite. You need to read your bible. It is wrong to be gay. Im not saying God doesnt love all man kind. yes all sins are equal but it is also wrong to live in sin. Do you think all gays wake up everyday and ask God for forgiveness and really mean it? NO!! hey... heres an idea...why dont you take that log and shove it up your ass queer...
Dixiegirl040187 4 years ago
uhh. the bible calls you a hypocrite. not me. in case you didn't see the bible verse number under the quotation marks.
i'm done arguing with a person on youtube about something they know nothing about.
have a lovely day
God Bless
reformedklepto 4 years ago
You are completely right. Why argue. You know the truth.
"Do not lie with a man as one does with a woman, that is detestable" LEV 18:22
"Everyone who does any of these detestable things -such persons must be cut off from their people." LEV 18:29
AND IT CANT GET CLEARER THAN THIS:
"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman both of them has done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." LEV 20:13
Dixiegirl040187 4 years ago
Yes and this is completely relevant to our 'theocracy' government...
sakurarose8955 4 years ago
Don't you love nature, despite what it did to you Dixiegirl?
denislane1 4 years ago
this has nothing to do with nature...Im not saying God does not love.
Dixiegirl040187 4 years ago
yo deseo que en mi pais venezuela aprueben matrimonios entre homosexuelaes.
greetings from venezuela
nostalgiavzla 4 years ago
it's a shame that they can't get marriade
bluenosedive 4 years ago
Eww...
majesticguitar2 4 years ago
RELIGION KILLS, JESUS SAVES! Granted the science of human life still belongs to a man and a woman, in one fashion or another, but the ROLE of nuturing life, protecting life or loving one another belongs to ANY man or woman, or any combination therin, who find themselves the strength and compassion required to truly LOVE one another from the heart like God does.
denislane1 4 years ago
You are truely ignorant. It says in the bible this is a sin and should be punishable by death. Its wrong- its nasty- it should be illegal.
Dixiegirl040187 4 years ago
So my loving another girl is evil? Wow. Way to spread the christian love, you bitch.
DarkAngelKisses13th 4 years ago
Who said you were evil???? Well I can make the asumption your a dumbass!!! love the bitch!
Dixiegirl040187 4 years ago
...what an idiot. I'm a lesbian. You have never met me, probably never will. SO: Are you really saying you could walk up to me, or to any lesbina or gay man, and shoot us in the head? Stab us in the neck? Beat us, stone us, crush us until we couldn't stand anymore simply because we love someone and you don't agree with it?
DarkAngelKisses13th 4 years ago
Are you saying it would be right and holy to kill us like those men killed Matt - or how those other men murdered two gay men by shoving their bodies through a wood chipper - and leave us on a fence, or the sidewalk, a fuck maybe a cross to die? Yes. Obviously we are the evil, sinful ones. Obviously.
DarkAngelKisses13th 4 years ago
No, it is never right to murder. but God has a plan for everybody. maybe that was his. ok...your a lesbian...your so cool now maybe all your little highschool friends will this your so cool too...you should feel nasty and ashamed.
Dixiegirl040187 4 years ago
...goddess above, you really are that stupid, aren't you? Going on about 'looking cool' when that has nothing to do with this at all. You're the one who said that we should be put to death, and then you turn around and say that murder is wrong. Hypocrite. And I never feel ashamed. I am proud of who I am and always will be.
DarkAngelKisses13th 4 years ago
Wonderful video
Ashetheraven 4 years ago
Underscum you can stop shouting that crap now. youve been proven wrong numerous times about that so now you not only look like a parrot, but a retarded one at that.
JackDaddyMLKS67104 4 years ago
G5F4D3S2A1 then shoot yourself in the head right now because youre obviously a self-loathing gay man.
JackDaddyMLKS67104 4 years ago
hope one day when homosexual conduct is a death sentance and i can be the exocutioner
G5F4D3S2A1 4 years ago
Information for those who think Massachusetts supports gay marriage. The people of Massachusetts has never supported gay marriage,although some residents may support gay rights. The est. 4.1 million registered voters never voted and supported gay marriage in Massachusetts! It was decided by the Massachusetts legislature. It may still go on a ballot in 2008 where the voters can decide to keep gay marriage legal in Massachusetts. Democrat who supports my Governor Deval Patrick
Underdog263 4 years ago
t239 the only person here whose afraid to admit theyre wrong is you. you certainly havent been right about anything yet. and you havent explained one thing thats rendered you particularly wrong. why are you still here? whats the point? we all get it that youre insecure about your own sexuality. if this wasnt the case youd be banging some chick or - oh i dunno maybe living a life? well im done feeding you. youre a useless troll and a very sad human being.
X56dcapinebox56X 4 years ago
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JackDaddyMLKS67104 4 years ago
t239 actually yeah you have run out of arguments. your continual re-spouting of the same tired easily reftued nonsense is proof of this.
JackDaddyMLKS67104 4 years ago
Promiscuous sex leading to AIDS and further spread of debauchery has horrible consequences for society. I haven't run out of arguments, you're just wrong and are afraid to admit it.
t239 4 years ago
t239 sure thinks about gay sex alot dosent he? hey, t explain somthing to us. what exactly is the point of hanging out on such a GAY message board and talking to such GAY people about such GAY sex if youre so "ungay" yourself? wait, thats right, you're a flaming closet-queen.
SapphicKisses 4 years ago
t239 just has his panties in a twist because his boyfriend is seeing other people. from this point t239's new name is Mrs. Garrison.
XsapphickizzezX 4 years ago
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X56dcapinebox56X 4 years ago
"You've heard the argument: "How does 2 men marrying affect heterosexual marriage? It doesn't." Let's take it further: "How does homophobia and telling gays they are immoral and can't marry affect heterosexual marriage? It does and has affected many. Gay men who don't want to be gay often marry a woman to try to 'turn straight'. It never works. They destroy their life and a lot of times children are involved." Now which is more harmful to heterosexual marriage, gay marriage or homophobia?
X56dcapinebox56X 4 years ago
t239 the fact remains that mentally you are an annoying dwarf. dont think we havent noticed that youre still using religion of all thing ( LMFAO) to support your tragicly flawed position. are you done embarassing yourself yet? this is a debate you lost days ago.
X56dcapinebox56X 4 years ago
In nature, you can get no more flawed than having sex with someone of the same gender.
t239 4 years ago
t239 Hell = ficticious place from a fantasy novel. screw that im going to Omeron Percsia Eight. closet queen.
X56dcapinebox56X 4 years ago
Faggots are relentless in trying to convince themselves that they're not going to Hell for their disgusting and dangerous behavior.
t239 4 years ago
The fact still remains that gay "monogamous" relationships are usually open because neither party can resist screwing hundreds of partners every year.
t239 4 years ago
1239 is a bum-hugger. Happy PVnA(pride , visibility and awarness) Month everyone! :) turnout DOT org
ShakeTheHouze 4 years ago
You've heard the argument: "How does 2 men marrying affect heterosexual marriage? It doesn't." Let's take it further: "How does homophobia and telling gays they are immoral and can't marry affect heterosexual marriage? It does and has affected many. Gay men who don't want to be gay often marry a woman to try to 'turn straight'. It never works. They destroy their life and a lot of times children are involved." Now which is more harmful to heterosexual marriage, gay marriage or homophobia?
ShakeTheHouze 4 years ago
t239 well actually you ARE the only one who has mentioned those two particular items by name thus far. poop-stabber.
twocentn0nsense 4 years ago
t239 Yes.
twocentn0nsense 4 years ago
With all the gays commenting, I'm obviously not the one focused on shit and assholes.
t239 4 years ago
Haha yeah. And fuck 'em if they cant take a joke.
gr000vslave 4 years ago
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twocentn0nsense 4 years ago